Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Packers BEATING Commanders! Green Bay D SHOWS UP + Ekeler Achilles tear

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no no schemes at all baby how you doing i'm doing good brother how you man

You know, I'm doing good, man.

Blessed to see you come today.

Lovely.

We had some great, great football, obviously.

Yes, for sure.

We're going to start off with the Packers.

I mean, Thursday night game, that's the only thing everybody wants.

That's the only thing we can talk about.

No question.

The Packers beat the Commanders 27-18, dude.

Green Bay moves to 2-0.

The Packers have now beaten two NFC contenders in back-to-back weeks, but

the Packers' defense only gave up 230 yards of total fucking

offense today.

They were strapping, bro.

Hey, last, listen, last week they only gave up 246 to Detroit.

So, these boys doing things.

This is the first time the Packers have allowed fewer than 250 yards across the first two games of a season since 1995.

Tucker, Tucker, my dude, Tucker Kraft, 124 yards, dude.

It's the most receiving yards.

It's the most receiving yards by Packer tight end since Richard Rodgers in week 13 of 2015 at Detroit.

The game dubbed the Miracle and Motown.

Hell Mary game, brother.

Jordan Love, of course, Jordan Love was doing this thing, dude.

He was actually 9 of 15 for 175 yards against them when they blitzed him, dude, with two tugs, like on throws of 10 yards or more against the blitz.

Love was six of eight for 144 yards and a tutty, a nice tutty, dude.

We had some bad news, of course, at the end.

Had a couple couple guys get injured, you know, through the process of the game.

Scheffner reported that the commanders believe veteran running back Austin Eckler did, in fact, tear his Achilles last night.

He's scheduled to undergo an MRI imaging for today.

Also,

Jaden, the receiver for the Packers, Jaden Reed, yeah, he suffered a fracture collarbone, so he's out.

He's headed to IR.

A thing, I want to ask you a question.

Where do you see the ceiling?

Well, actually, two questions.

Where do you see the ceiling for the Packers as you look at it right now?

And

what is your take on what's causing all these Achilles injuries, man?

First of all, I'm going to do my take on these Packers because that game was a great game.

It was amazing.

Jordan Love was balling.

And it wasn't just Jordan Love.

It was Josh Jacobs.

Josh Jacobs, I forgot that they had one of the best running backs in the league also.

So having Jordan Love, not having to depend on him as much, having that great running game.

And at the end of the day, Jordan Love isn't a check-down guy.

He's not just dinking and dunking.

He's throwing bombs.

That one that he almost had to go in, the rookie from Texas that was streaking the 4-2 guy, he missed him by the fingertips.

And then the next play, they throw the running.

Next play, another bomb down the left-hand sideline where he twinkle-toed it on the sideline.

So it's not just like he's he's like doing little catch and runs.

He's throwing balls down the field.

The running game is doing amazing.

And then it's not just offense, Debo.

It's defense.

And it's not just Michael Parsons who's balling.

This is great move.

Dude, I've seen like three or four times where they had three people blocking this dude.

Bro, he's creating other opportunities for other D-linemen because he's getting pressure.

He's getting stunted on.

People have eyes on him and it's giving people ones when you're one-on-one.

People are winning because of him and then also my good man i'm gonna say keys on nixon the cornerback for the green bay packers not only are they balling on the front level getting after the quarterback in the back end he had five pass breakups break up on in the fourth on the on fourth down he's just being very very ball just being aware of the ball getting after the rock love seeing that they're balling on every single level so green bay their ceiling for me is

very high their ceiling for jordan love is very high i think they can go.

They can go in the playoffs.

They can challenge any team.

They can.

Where's your ceiling?

You saying Super Bowl?

You saying, where do you say?

I think they can definitely go to the NFC Championship.

Like,

I don't see why not.

I think with them, I mean, because we looked at the NFC quarterbacks, we got Jalen Hurts, we got Dak Prescott, we got Baker Mayfield.

And then I'm thinking about Jordan Love.

Like end of the day, it would be Eagles and they would have to contest against Green Bay.

I don't think that Green Bay is scared of the Eagles.

I think that there's somebody they have to go against, and i think they'll be the eagles and it's looking like green bay and they're going to go against each other and the defense is playing like this and the offense with the running game with jordan love being able to throw the ball this way and with jacobs being able to tote the rock i don't see how they couldn't beat the eagles so i mean it it looked great on from my perspective how do you think it looked debo

i i i think it looked great but um you know I would I would go NFC championship game.

I would go that far.

I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl.

Only reason I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl is because, you know, they just played Washington.

Washington beat the Giants 21 to six.

So, you know, the Giants aren't really,

you know, that team that you would actually look at to measure against.

And of course, you know, you got the Lions right now.

I want to see if that was just, you know, if the Lions are still the Lions that they were last year.

This is early, this early.

Or is it

right?

Or is it, or is it a new Lions?

And then you got the Lions.

They're playing, you know, Chicago this week.

But again, you know, Chicago came out hot in the first quarter.

They looked great and then they twinkled and twizzled out.

So, you know, I don't think that gives me a good feel of where they really are.

I think if

the Lion go out there and just totally dominate Chicago, I think, you know, that would make me feel better about saying, you know, the ceiling is Super Bowl for Green Bay, because I think that's what Green Bay would, you know, do to Chicago.

But, you right now, I'm just going to say

I see the ceiling right now as NFC champion.

I'm just saying the last time I seen,

you best say your last game.

You best is your last performance.

I'm going to say from what I last seen.

And when I last seen the Eagles play, I mean, they won the game.

They got out of the stadium with a win.

It didn't look too good, but they won the game.

When I see Green Bay, the stadium, I think that team played well.

I think they played better.

And I'm not saying that they're just a better team or whatever, but offensive-wise, defensive-wise, the way that they're moving the ball, the way way that they're stopping the run, the way that they're making plays on the back end, I kind of just like that team.

If I was just looking and nobody had any different, if they had no names on their jerseys and you just looked at each team, played two games, I would say, oh, the Packers team, that team over there, team B is better than team A.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

I mean, that's, that's a, that's an easy, that's an easy gift.

You know, to my, uh, to my other part, what do you, what do you think is, is, uh, the cause of all these Achilles tears that we're tearing about?

I don't know, Debo, because it's non-contact.

And you know, those are the words, like when you just see somebody jumping and they're about to burst and just make that plant and then it just goes and you just see it happen.

I don't know particularly why people Achilles are going like that.

I didn't have, I never had, I was fortunate enough never to have an Achilles tear, but I don't know why.

they seem to go.

Do you think it's like more, they're not just the, like we said, the practice.

We're not doing things full speed as much.

And then all of a sudden we're asking players to just, you got to go, you got to go.

You got to be game ready.

You got to be able to start moving and not doing that in training camp or not doing that as much in the offseason.

Maybe they're not, their body's not ready to just respond.

Okay.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of three, of, of three things.

If you look at the National Institute of Health, they did a study.

I guess between 1980 and 2001, it was an average of four Achilles ruptures per season.

When you go 97 to 2000, it was an average of five per season.

You go to 2009 to 16, it jumps up.

It's 14 per season.

And in 23, it was 22 Achilles.

So

for me,

the thing I see is

change of surface.

You have a change of surface.

It's a lot more teams playing than turf.

I think that's an adding.

Grass just gives.

Grass gives turf.

yes grass gives better yep and then uh the the second thing is is training dude i don't i don't think guys are training the same way or training as hard as they used to especially with it being the changes in the collective bargaining agreement but then even training you know when you're out there in the offseason you know you need to do training that puts that kind of, you know, repetitive pressure like on your Achilles.

So a thing that we we do or my trainer likes to do is sled pushes, like heavy sled pushes.

I'm putting, you know, I'm putting that pressure on that Achilles.

It's getting, you know, people like, James, why are you trying to push, why are you pushing 2,000 pounds?

Well, I'm not just pushing it just to show off.

I'm pushing it to actually build that strength so my body gets used to that.

Also, sled pushes where you're actually with lighter weight and you're just doing it for explosion and speed.

So now you're, you're, you're, you're doing the same thing.

It's just lighter and you're exploding and you're doing that repetitively so that your body can get used to that motion.

I think when guys get out there and, you know, they're going through the course of the game and it's just over time and then they haven't done it.

It's just, you know, it may be too much.

Another big thing I think is pretnisone, though, the dose packs.

you know, that you take for

like inflammation and all that.

That right there messes up the healing process, dude.

Like the biggest thing it does is it lowers,

it lowers or stops inflammation altogether.

Are you talking about the packs, like the packs that they're giving you?

Yes,

the oral packs that they give you to help with, say, something's hurt.

So what it does is it lowers or stops the inflammation, which is, you know, it's part of your body's natural healing.

And your body, it tells your body, like, hey, you feel this pain.

Don't go out there and do this.

It won't allow you.

You know, your body won't allow you to work through certain pains.

So, you know, I think guys are

taking these to, you know, you take your pack, you feel better.

You feel like, you know, you feel like King Kong, all your soreness is gone.

But you're also telling your body that it's okay to go out here and are these kind of like t-shots you're talking about, but not like

no, no, it's like the

teeth got deep.

I was listening to the last episode we talked, and you said t-shots, and people was like, What was a t-shot?

A lot of my was like, Torto, Tortol, Tordol was what we were talking about.

Tortoise.

No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about torto.

I'm talking about more of the oral pretnisone, the,

what is it?

Almost, what does they call it?

A, a, um,

a steroidal inflammatory.

I got to ask.

Very, very, very, very, I got to ask the question, Debo, because I'm not hip.

I got to ask, like, cause I know some, I don't, I, sometimes you be talking about stuff and I'll be like, damn, Debo, you are very smart and know about all of the.

technical stuff and about all of this different stuff.

I don't know really that much technical stuff.

I'm so I can explain it.

No, no, no, for sure, for sure.

I I just wanted to let you know sometimes you might got to dumb it down for me because I'll be looking like I don't know what's going on because I'll be like, Debo's really talking to you because you know what you're saying about the about the different shots and about the different pills and all the stuff.

But some stuff I'm just not as hip to.

So I just want you to.

Yeah.

So the pretnisone, you know, you ever, the dose packs, you ever had the five or the six, five, four, three, two, one, or five, four, three, two, one packs?

Okay, that is pretnisone.

Anything that has zone, sewn on it at the end is some type of anti-inflammatory.

anti-inflammatory and the biggest thing about those is it actually slows down the like process of your tendons being able to repair because it stops like i guess it's some type of protein or something or whatever it is but basically it's what the body needs to repair the tendon so as you work out and you do all the other stuff you know you get micro tears micro tears the same thing as when you're building muscle you're working out you're tearing down tissue so you take right so you take protein to help recover and repair that, what you, what you feel is soreness.

You know what I'm saying?

So you take protein to help build, recover, and repair.

The big process of what happens with when you take pretinisone is like the tendons, like it actually

doesn't allow your tendon fibers to heal properly, to do what they need to do to repair.

So like going

like same thing, like I said, it's like taking protein, you know, going into the process of taking protein when you're, when your body can't heal, then you're, you're left with not being able to really do nothing.

It'll make your tendons, you know, brittle.

Like, you know,

you don't need to use it if you're trying to work through something, especially like inflammation that's like trying to tell your body not to go.

I don't say you, it's things that you do need to take it for 100%,

but

I don't, I think that maybe some guys use it when they don't actually need it

just because it's going to make you feel better, you know what I'm saying?

You know, your body's sore, you're banged up, you're like, you know what?

It's a quick fix,

but it's not a long term, it's not going to help you in the long term.

No, okay, no, no, not even, not even close, brother.

Yeah, so that's that's my thought process on it: field turf

harder grabs putting more pressure on it training and you know the use of these anti-inflammatories i think one i think i i can definitely see with the now what you're saying with the anti-inflammatories definitely understand what you're saying with the training because i don't think people is putting that immediate pressure on it and with the feels too i'm always been a grass fan grass over turf anytime

i am grass all day i ain't got i ain't got to take no turf

I ain't got to do nothing.

Don't worry about your cleat getting caught up in it.

It's just, it's too grippy.

You know what I'm saying?

Like fresh, man, man, like taking care of grass fields, freshly painted, and nothing like going on playing on a clean, freshly solded, not just coming up like bad grass, but just, you know, you know, I'm talking about Debo, that good grass.

You go out there.

Oh, yeah, I know you're talking about sticking.

You like, listen, yeah, this is about to be a good grass.

I'd rather slip on bad grass than catch my cleat wrong on turf and lose an ACL, MCL, PC, whatever something L.

You know, it's gonna be an L.

It's gonna you taking the L.

Right, right.

Right.

Yeah, hey,

you are definitely taking the L.

Speaking of taking the L, man, I guess nearly a year after

old dude over there, what's his name, Grant D Pitt, Del Pitt?

Yeah,

he uh delivered a good shot, I guess, to Henry.

And he he was asked,

he was asked by the media he said uh

how hard is it to uh tackle gary henry he said not hard at all henry responded to him later today saying uh he was aware of the comment and uh he had a quote he said we'll see on sunday

Why is there so much back and forth on this game?

Well, because, you know,

they don't like each other.

You know, Ravens don't like the Browns.

Browns don't like the Ravens.

And I think personally with Delpitt and Henry, he caught him.

You know what I'm saying?

It's just, you know, how

it is.

And he's asking him how hard it is to tackle.

And I'm going to tell you this: Derrick Henry is extremely hard to tackle.

If you run up on him high, looking crazy, you're going to get stiff armed.

So when my thing, if you go down low on his legs, try to wrap him up, you might get jumped over.

But I can understand what Delpit is saying.

If Derek, if he catches Derrick Henry running high, he feels like he can hit him hard because he's done.

He didn't.

Listen, he didn't say nothing about catching Derrick Henry running high, brother.

He said that he was not hard.

That's just, yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's just, yeah, he's, he's talking, you know, that's not, I don't know if he means it.

I think, yeah, I was trying to stand up.

I'm standing up.

You don't say things you don't mean it.

You, you never give him a bullets and board material.

No, I know.

He just gave him bullets and board material.

He did.

He did.

And he's standing on it.

I mean, I don't know.

I think the devil, he just feels some type of way.

So I hopefully goes out there.

You got to stand on what you say.

He said it.

He said it to Derrick Henry.

Derrick Henry said he's going to see him on Sunday.

So, it is only

he said he's going to see him on Sunday.

So, if he runs in there and shoots at Derek's knees,

is he standing on business?

He said he's not hard enough to tackle.

Tackle means the man goes down to the ground.

That's what people get confused.

Oh, yeah, you messed him up.

Or

he's not hard to tackle.

I mean, he said he's not hard to tackle.

So, if he goes down and goes down to Derrick Henry's legs and takes him down,

how do you look at that?

You're saying it don't matter, just Just tackle.

Because if you run up there, because this is what I'm saying, if you run up there high, he can stiff arm you right in your face, or he might, he's going to dip on you.

But if you don't give him the chance and go lower, then you might have a better, you're going to have a better chance to tackle him, in my opinion.

From my experience, I'm going low.

I mean, I think it's just, that's just crazy, totally disrespectful to say it's not hard.

I know it is.

It is.

He was being disrespectful saying that.

He was trying to get

like,

how big is he, dude?

Like, Darren Henry, what is 6'3, 255?

Like, come on, bro.

And he coming down, like, yes, he is hard to tackle, in my opinion.

But you got, man, Delpa said he wasn't.

He feels some type of way.

He feels like he's not hard to tackle.

I'm not

maybe, maybe he's not hard to tackle for him.

It's just y'all that's that he hard to tackle.

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He's about to keep saying that.

You know what?

You know what?

You know what?

We're going to watch the game, but that's that's what happens when you do say stuff like this now you give everybody the opportunity to analyze spotlight now we're gonna watch you we're gonna look and see the opportunities what's your tackling looking like how easy is everybody to tackle you know i'm saying because if derrick henry's so easy to tackle you know what i'm saying that's just why i don't like putting underneath pressure on yourself you're already out there you're already in the spotlight you're gonna have to be out there in the situation regardless you're putting a spotlight on you to be watched by now everyone analyzing oh you saying it's easy to tackle henry or let me watch this.

Let's see how easy it is for you.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, when you don't need to do that.

So, that's the only reason.

That's the only thing I'm saying.

I'm like, W you did put that unneeded pressure on yourself.

You're right.

He, you, you, when you're speaking, you don't want to give bullets and more material.

You can say that to your teammates, but saying that out to the media is basically

saying, like, man, it is what it is.

I'm out here.

You're wilding.

No, that's that's less than saying, that's way more than saying it is.

It is what it is.

It's be like, yeah, you know, he, you know, it's it's it's uh, it's not easy.

That that would be his, it is what it is, it's not hard at all, like it's not

hard.

Well, how, how hard, but what is that exactly?

He said, How hard is it to tackle Derrick Henry?

He said, Not hard,

not hard, he's wild,

yeah, he's wild, it's a hard tackle to make.

It's Derrick Henry, he's about to be the leading rusher all in NFL, one of the leading rushers ever to do it.

Yeah,

yeah,

listen, man, maybe they just.

We're going to be watching.

We're going to be watching.

Playing the fast.

Oh, yeah.

I think I might pull up.

I think I might be up.

I ain't going to even lie.

I'm pulling up.

I'm pulling up.

You know, I'm pulling up to the Stillers gang already ready.

Stillers, Baltimore.

I'm going to be there.

It's right up the street.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

Okay.

Let's get over here to Detroit.

So the one thing Ben Johnson became known for as offensive coordinator in Detroit was trick plays.

But Dan Campbell said trick plays are the least of his concerns.

He's getting ready for Johnson's, for Johnson's offense.

You know what?

You can't put Johnson's Johnson.

It's a lot of Johnson.

Stumble with that Johnson.

They can't say, I might have to change that name.

You know what I'm saying?

He said,

He said, I don't really care about trick plays.

Just handle the meat and potatoes of the offense.

A defense, what they think you're going to hang, the defense, what they think you're going to hang their hat on.

Let's stop that first.

Let's worry about that.

Let's make sure we're

all on point and we handle that stuff.

Do you think the Bears got a shot at beating the Lions?

I think everybody has a shot because any given Sunday is early in the season, but I'm not predicting it.

I'm going, I think the Lions are going to get things going.

I think what Dan Campbell is saying, this stuff too, all the trick plays and stuff, if you have good eyes, if you have good discipline, you know what I'm saying?

It's going to work itself out.

If you start working and wondering about the random plays that they're going to run, that's where you start chasing ghosts.

So as long as you got eye discipline, long as you have your defensive script ready to go, I think what he's saying is working on the meat and potatoes, knowing exactly what their bases are, what their main things are going to do on third down in the red zone.

Trick plays, as long as we have our eyes right, we'll work that out.

So I think I don't, I think they have a shot because it's football and it's the nfl and they're all professionals but i don't think that the uh bears are going to be able to beat the lions i think the lions are going to get their get their stuff going um going to get the running game back going get the defense going and really get back to being the lions because it's early on in the season i think that they i believe in them way more than i believe in the bears

I really want to know who asked the question about trick plays.

Like, who cares about a trick play?

If I'm dog walking on the trick play ain't going to help him no way,

I'm 100% with him.

Like, you worry about the meat and potatoes, trick plays.

You don't worry, you don't, you don't worry about the trick plays.

Yes, you can say you saw something on camera or tape or whatever it may be and be aware of it.

But me actually working on it, unless it's something that they're doing that is not normal.

You know, you're a team that runs at least 10, 15 plays of Wildcat or you give some type of

off-formation that you don't normally see and y'all do it at you know it's a part of your offense you know through the course of games then yes but a trick play we're gonna we're gonna work on a trick play that may or may not come out and when it comes down to it you actually got to be in a position to have that trick play work so if the if the bears play like they did last week it's ain't no amount of trick play is gonna be able to help

i don't i don't i don't get i ain't gonna lie i don't give the bears a shot

That's just, you know, that's just where I don't, I don't blame you, and especially with the same way with their coach, even answering that question is what a good coach is supposed to say, in my opinion.

Like, no, we're going to do the right things.

Our eye discipline, that's going to handle basically what he's saying.

That's going to handle the trick place.

Us chasing ghosts is not going to make us a better football team.

So I'm with Campbell.

I'm with the Lions.

I think they're going to.

beat the Bears.

I think Caleb got talent, but it's just not.

It's not it.

It's the organization.

It's the ship.

They got to get the ship right over there.

I mean,

you could, what happened to the ship in the first quarter?

The ship was going right.

The second quarter, everything started going down.

The ship is a long game.

You know what I'm saying?

You know what it is, Devo.

It's ebbs and flows.

You got to be able to take punches, make punches, be able to, like, it's momentum shifts.

You know what I'm saying?

They ain't never get out of the state.

You just get one shift.

and then you just go the rest of the way you got to be able to you know i'm saying settle the ship you know i'm saying be able to always be even killed you know i'm saying don't get too high don't get too low so i just don't think that they have it i mean you just got to continue to i i need more consistency in the play i don't care about the high and low the consistency of play will take care of you know all of that versus you know getting high and low if i'm consistently consistently playing well

i mean i'm not gonna have to worry about the way no for sure i'm saying

you say the first quarter they were consistently playing good there and then the second quarter consistently bad third quarter consistently bad fourth quarter consistently bad if you're just gonna give me at least give me a little you know i'm saying something

a little a little a little consistent they gave they gave you a little glimpse so you you still holding on to them for sure

that first it's still it's still early man it's still early at least they got to get mad map if they mathematically eliminated from the playoffs we not even you know what i'm saying like no it's too way too early to start to start hanging it up

okay i got you i got you

let's go over here.

I guess

CeeDe Lamb said he couldn't sleep much over the weekend.

The drops against the Eagles bothered him.

He said, I would rather nobody else but myself be in those situations.

I came up short once.

We'll see the rest.

He said, trust me, I've thought about it.

I've dwelled on it.

I've done everything that you could possibly imagine about this game.

For those that feel like

they feel worse about the game than me, you're absolutely wrong.

CD said, Yes, man, I'm going to tell you something right now.

That's real talk.

All these fans that be like, oh my God, I just feel so,

I'm distraught.

I'm this and that.

These guys don't even care.

No,

no.

Believe me,

I am so, dude, listen.

I am so happy I do not have the ups and downs of winning and losing and being at work.

Like,

I felt like I was on a roller coaster at Cedar Point, dude.

Like, the highs is high, and the lows is low.

It, dude, when you lose a game, dude, on Sunday, dude, it messes up everything until yes, it messes up everything until you get to that Wednesday when you start getting ready for the next opponent, dude.

My whole, my whole, my whole three, four, my whole three days, dude, till we start.

I'm, I'm just,

because anything is always so much better to

figure out what you did wrong or whatever on a win than a loss.

Once you lost, everything feels like that's the reason why we lost.

This play could have been, I'd have did that better, that one missed tackle.

I can't wait.

Soon we watch the film.

I know exactly what play.

I'm looking forward to the play.

I already got the script.

You know what it is.

They show, oh man, I missed that tackle on play 13.

Wait till we get to 13.

Everybody looking, we in the meeting.

You can't stand.

You know, you're wrong.

And that's the part too, when you're, when you're, when you want to be great, like CD, he feels the worst because now he's in that meeting.

He knows he's the man.

He wants the ball in that situation.

He knows he can make that catch.

He wants to be the only one on the on the Cowboys to make that catch.

And when he doesn't, he feels like shit.

You know what I'm saying?

Like in his heart of heart, he wants that.

You know what I'm saying?

That's why I love him being able to say it because he means it because I would feel the same way.

And I know you feel the same way.

Losing that game every single play that whole week until Wednesday, when you start the next week of practice preparation for the next team, you feel like I let everybody down.

Everybody's walking around.

I let my boys down.

I can't wait till next week when we win.

And then the plays that I've messed up on, you know what I'm saying?

That's my bad.

That's me.

I got to do better.

But we still won the game.

Everybody's chilling.

This wasn't the reason why we lost.

Now everybody's still walking around the facility.

Hype, coach is good.

Everybody high five.

You lose, ain't nothing funny.

The fuck that you smiling about?

You know what I'm saying?

hey i ain't gonna listen i ain't gonna lie to you though i ain't gonna lie to you hey when i took a loss and it was payday i felt a little better i ain't gonna lie to you

that that's debo that's real that's real talk that's real

better

taking a loss and it ain't payday man you man i'm i'm feeling i'm feeling trashy right there buddy i still you know what's so crazy dude i still go over like like losses losses like super bowl that's what it is super bowl i'm like you know what i could have did this here i know it wasn't my responsibility but i was there i could have did it damn i missed that there if i was paying attention i could have probably picked that there

or i could have punched the ball out here dude it

yes anyway

when when i was

When we played Green Bay and we ended up losing the Green Bay and the Super Dupe, Super Bowl, dude, I'm in my room

and it's just running through my head.

Like,

I can't stop it.

I can't stop it.

And you know how they had the, you know, like the after party and all that, you know.

Oh, I mean, hey, you did,

man.

We in a, you know, dudes and we in the hallways, man, we just looking at each other like mules chewing glue, man.

And everybody's like, man, I could have did this.

Maybe if I had did this.

Oh, man, I missed that.

Oh, if I did this, like, just going through it, dude.

And finally dude we were just like yo

what we gonna do man we gonna sit here and cry sober or we go cry or we go cry drunk man went on dialogue

yo i tell you we're so glad they had no cameras dude well it's some it's some pictures out there just say

we was on stage like a little wedding concert no you know no shirt like it was man y'all had to get it out y'all had to get it out man y'all had it y'all had a crazy year man making it to the

season.

I see cats crying, man.

I'm like, yeah, I ain't about to let them see them tears on camera.

Oh, I would definitely be.

That would definitely be.

Listen,

I got back to the hotel, jumped in the shower, and I was like, I let the tears run down.

Can't nobody see me crying.

Well, I would have been in there.

I would have been telling her, oh man, I love y'all, man.

You know what I'm saying?

But next year, we got this, though.

Right.

And then that's the thing.

You know, you got guys that are like, yo, this might be my last year, my last time here on this team.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know, contract up.

You don't know if you go get like every team is a new team.

It's a different team that comes up, you know.

That's the crazy part about the league.

Rather you keep.

Yes.

It's literally.

Rather you keep your core or not.

It's it's changed.

It's a whole.

the the special teams that you know that stuff

as soon as you know

start and then the draft and then you had training camp it's a bunch of just new dudes you know normally it's to call a couple of the guys that you had there that started with you maybe some dudes on contracts and stuff but every year it's a whole lot of new dudes that come in from otas to training camps to like just building a whole different squad so once it ends once that ends and you like this i don't know if i'm gonna see these dudes you know what i'm saying again you know what i'm saying like you never plan on not seeing them You know what I'm saying?

You always like, man, we working.

We next day, you know what I'm saying?

We got something to do.

We're grinding.

We got practice.

We got stuff going on.

Season not gonna end, we're gonna win the Super Bowl until next thing you know, either you can't win the Super Bowl, you didn't make it, you lost in a playoff game.

Shit just happens fast, and then next thing you know, you're like, Yeah, hold up, this should be, you know, it's over, you know.

I'm saying, I mean, where everybody going,

yeah, baby.

Speaking of Super Bowls, we got a Super Bowl rematch coming up.

Patrick Mahomes was asked how many times did he watch the Super Bowl of them losing 40 to 22.

He said,

how much has he watched the Super Bowl on his own in the weeks after?

He said, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've watched the game after, so you have to learn from it.

I mean, it sucks.

You lose the game, but in order to progress to get better the next time, you have to watch and learn from it.

And so I don't know the exact amount of times, but you watch it and then you watch it in the offseason with the team and with the coaches.

And then you watch it, obviously, this week as well.

So, I mean, it sounds like he done watched this game way more times than he wants to say that he done.

He watched it, man, right there.

That's three times.

He said, but you watch it.

and then you watch it in the offseason with the team and the coaches.

And then obviously you watch it.

this week for training.

So that's three good times that he watched the joint.

You know what I'm saying?

And as

something like you like, when you play against the Eagles, you watch games.

And I didn't know Patrick Mahomes is a G, he's a legend, he's a GOAT.

That just sucks.

It sucks watching you not play to the top of your level.

And then at the top of the world, playing in the Super Bowl, you know what I'm saying?

So obviously, it's not a game that you will want to watch, but when you're watching film and you're a professional like Patrick Mahomes is, he watches it when he has to.

I watch it with my coaches.

I watched it during all season and I watched it this week.

You know what I'm saying?

You really want to know.

It's not a game that I admire watching, but I have to study tape and get i'm gonna get better from it i i love his take on it but he don't want to watch the game he didn't play well but you're gonna learn stuff from it and i think that you know you you can learn what philly was doing to you to make to make the game look get that bad get that ugly so i think it's not just him it's his line it's their blitz it's just understanding what philly did to make them look that bad so uh i respect pat i love pat and uh

yeah i watched it with the coaches i watched it during offseason and i watched it you watched it he watched it three times

no no no he said he watched it in the offseason he didn't say i watched it one time in the offs he said i watched it in the offseason like he he watched it

you know

he kept he kept watching it i ain't gonna even lie to you bro i don't

let me think about it i don't really think i've watched

a whole Super Bowl that I lost.

I had the misfortune of being in two of them that I lost.

One with

the Stillers and one with

the Patriots.

And

dude, honestly, I can't see.

Did you ever watch this?

I know what I did wrong.

I know, dude.

I can,

yeah.

I don't think I've ever watched in whole.

I'm going to ask you this.

Do you think Patrick is saying he watched the whole game or he watched like the clips?

You know what I'm saying?

Like on your iPad?

Do you know what I'm saying?

He's saying he's watched with coaches.

He's what, like, I've, I've, I haven't, like, I haven't watched the whole

defense or anything.

Like, I haven't watched a whole or nothing.

If I catch it, it's on like TV or something.

Like, I have not sat down and watched that whole tape

of any Super Bowl loss.

I ain't gonna lie.

Like, for me, like, I can't do nothing to get better next week.

it's over

and and the and the chances of seeing them again at the same place are slim to nothing so i'll worry about that when that time comes and gets closer but i'm like i don't i haven't really watched the full well i think you might be different from him because he's winning them again you know what i'm saying he's playing them again because he playing this week you know what i'm saying so it could

Well, yeah, I can see I can see that because, yeah, after you,

after you get here, last time we're trying to figure out what went wrong, so you gotta check and see what went wrong.

You got to, if you really want, you know, I'm saying, check on, bump your feelings.

We're trying to get better, you know what I'm saying?

End of the day.

And the last time we played them was in the Super Bowl where they smacked us.

So then you would probably watch it if you was in this situation.

Yeah, that's uh, that's not just a smack.

That's like a that was a

I couldn't believe it.

That was a three.

Yeah, no, for sure.

That was ugly.

Speaking of getting whooped on, I mean,

after the Colts coach

got

in the,

I can't say that.

Yeah, I can.

After the Colts got

in the Dolphins-ass, you know, they had a players-only meeting.

Linebacker Jordan Brooks, one of Miami's six captains, said,

losing the way we did week one can be discouraging.

Outside noise, people talking, fans talking, family talking, whatever, everybody talking.

But just kind of making sure that everybody's together.

When you lose like that, it's easy for people to get discouraged and start looking, questioning maybe yourself and others.

So just making sure that we all lock in and make sure that the belief is still there.

You lose belief, you don't have nothing.

So making sure that everybody is still on the same page can be next.

and come back next week stronger.

Have you had any players-only meetings like this, bro?

I have.

I have for sure.

Have you?

You've never had players-only meetings?

Okay.

Like this?

No.

Dude, I ain't going to lie.

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Dude, no.

I have not had a players-only meeting like that.

For me,

for you to even have to have a players-only meeting like that after one week tells me that what you're afraid of is already happening and you're trying to stop it from, you know, spreading out to other people in the locker room that may not be feeling the same way.

Once it gets to the players-only meeting, you already lost.

So, like, that's that's kind of where I was like, that's just where you.

Oh, you was in Cleveland.

I can't.

I forgot how.

Yeah, you were, you was real good.

that's what we're not gonna do we're not gonna be here for the slander of the land you're not gonna slander

slander slander means it's not true i said you were real good you go going to the hardware talking about it's just that you're 10 you y'all y'all didn't it's okay ain't nothing it's not really okay but i understand which that's why i never had one of those type of meetings so let me let me go ahead and tell you how i was those times so long story short if the it's you know there's all it was a lot of coaching staff change if we had a different coach kind of every year we were there different head coach different offensive coordinators.

So it was a kind of different, sometimes different,

different voice.

You know what I'm saying?

So sometimes when you had vets that were around like me, like Joe T,

when we had situations where you were just, people started kind of going for themselves, like kind of, at the end of the day, we wanted to let them know the eye in the sky don't lie.

What you don't want to do is not perform.

The thing is, your job is on the line.

Even if you're not going to play for the Browns, you're going to play for somebody else.

Like your, your tape is your resume.

It gets down to the gritty once you start being mathematically eliminated.

When your team cannot make the playoffs, when you have to start telling dudes, like, man, bump all that.

Like, I'm doing, you see the way I'm leading.

I'm out here because end of the day, the honest guy don't lie.

If you, if we lose in games, we got to be able to come in here and watch the tape and it not be my fault.

That's what it's not going to be.

You know what I'm saying?

So having to have these conversations with other grown men in situations where coaches are trying to figure out if they're going to get fired.

And I'm just like, I'm just trying to ball.

I'm here to hoop.

And that's really kind of all that matters.

So

that's when you're doing it.

So what you're saying,

you're not going to be in a winning spot with a team-only meeting, I feel.

I think.

Yeah, yeah.

So what you're saying is like, when it came down to it, the

personalities of the players that y'all were picking led to them being a little mentally weak, if not a lot mentally weak, and they just didn't have the internal uh fortitude to push through so y'all had to do a players only meeting to try and rah-rah them to get them to get them going that's kind of what i'm hearing it's yeah what i mean i this it's not exactly that but yeah it's kind of i mean some you i don't know deepo have you ever been in a i've been in

i've never been in i've never been in that situation

you know what i'm saying i you know i've been it's you know i've been in pittsburgh it's definitely some some situations where we've been into that have been kind of off where, you know, you just got to really

end of the day, it is a business, but the eye and the sky don't lie.

Your resume is what you put on tape.

So when you want to be a professional, end of the day, you go 0-16.

Those are, I mean, I'm in 1 in 15.

Those are not stable organizations.

Coaches know that they're about to get fired.

People are walking into the spot.

not knowing if their jobs like secure or not.

So that's where you in the joint.

i know i'm i'm here i'm ball i'm doing what i got to do and it's not

the problems are over your head you know what i'm saying like that's why i look at chicago sometimes sometimes your job is to do what you do you come in there to do your 111th you know saying if you're a quarterback you'd be the best quarterback you can do you come in there you train your own time and you think that your coaches and the organization are competent enough to put you in the position to win There's not things that you need to be handling that you start handling when you're in a position where the other people aren't doing it.

You know what I'm saying?

So that's just kind of where I I don't, I that's that that was my particular situation.

And when I'm looking at from the Dolphins, I'm not in that locker room.

But when I'm hearing like these dudes looking like, man, I don't want y'all, just people just out of there, like, nigga, I don't care.

But at the end of the day, you're just trying to,

the situation may not be the best, but what you need to do is come out here.

You have to perform.

Your job is NFL.

I understand what you're saying.

Like the players only, I'm with you on that.

As far as a players-only meeting,

I think you've lost it.

Now we got

a players-only meeting.

That means that the leadership that is in place, who would be

your coaches, your head coach, your coordinators, y'all are feeling like they aren't either given what is going to be needed to

move forward and produce a different outcome.

Yeah,

I don't think the players-only meeting does anything.

I think anybody that had a players-only meeting, they probably lost their coach in a year or two.

I don't know.

How many coaches did y'all, after a player's only meeting, lose?

I mean, we probably, I haven't been a part of too many players only meetings, probably about two, probably about two or maybe three.

And each one of the coaches definitely was fired.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't, I don't think a player's only meeting.

I think it could help, but if I got a

like, you're a grown man in a professional sport.

This is your livelihood.

It should be nothing that's going to like mentally take you out of it like yeah physically you could get hurt all the other stuff but like you got to go out there now debo you can see how debo

just just how if people not rocking with playing time you can see how a dude is a professional that could be like this i'm not rocking with it we losing y'all tripping you know i'm saying i'm not rocking with it you know what i'm saying like that is people do that you know what i'm saying like they're not locking their playing time

Yeah, but, but a player's only meeting would not be something that a player that is disgruntled about is playing at time.

That wouldn't be a player's only meeting.

That would be a head coach thing.

You see what I'm saying?

Like you're, when you do a player's only meeting, you're saying that the majority of my team is out here talking about we are down bad and this is getting ugly.

What just happened behind me?

Did my light go out?

Oh, I didn't mean peep.

I think it did.

Anyway.

Go ahead.

No, bro, you die.

You look straight.

No, I think my light just went out.

Somebody tell me my light went out.

I think my light went out.

It had to.

Yeah, my light went out.

That's what it was.

Yeah, my light went out.

Oh, my goodness, dude.

This is out of control, man.

I'm going to have to fix that before

things

get too dark here.

Do it look good still, Joe?

You still solid, Debo.

You still solid.

Yeah.

I'm solid?

That's all I need to make sure.

Now I'm going to make sure I was solid, man.

Yeah.

yeah.

This is what happens when you, when you

tell you, too, I'm not a fan of the players' only meanings.

I don't feel like you need, like, that's when you're not in the good spot.

Like, like you say, if you haven't been a part of one, that's good, that's a good thing.

Okay, well, if you had to do something to uh

resurge this team, what would you do?

What would you be?

What would be your first step in trying to get the dolphins back on track?

Man,

I first it starts with Tua.

I'm not the biggest Tua fan.

I'm not the biggest Tua fan.

I don't know, and he's never been my favorite quarterback.

I don't know how,

I don't know if they could build around him.

And then with Tyree Kill, too, they're just not getting along.

I think he needs to, he might have to keep, they might got to do something with him, too.

I'm just, Miami,

the coach we had, their coach, he was the coach, he was the wide receiver coach for me when we were in Cleveland.

Great, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind.

I think he might be one of the best.

Maybe, maybe just put him in an offensive coordinator role.

I don't know if he's ready for the head coaching spot.

I mean, he was doing a great job, but I just think just letting him just do one thing and let somebody else maybe come and be a head coach.

I think they made it a new voice.

That's just my thought.

What do you think?

That's, yeah, that's.

That's where I ain't gonna lie.

I don't, you know, that's where I would go with it.

I would,

I mean, for this year, I think you just roll out with what you got going

and

try and uh try and finagle it

yeah some way shape or form but I think it's time just to it's a lot of noise going on over there man it's a lot of this

so much it's not one thing that I could do that would just

make it happen like too many moving parts right now going on over there

and then yeah you can't Well, you could get rid of Tariq, but then what you got now is about to get real bad.

Look, rebuild, get as much as you possibly can.

You said, Go ahead, go ahead, man.

Go ahead, go ahead.

Then, not like I'm saying in a bad way, Tyreek Hill is great.

That's where they're gonna be able to get some good stuff for him, but he's not happy.

He doesn't what you think they could get for him, though.

What would you give for Tyreek?

What would I give for Tyreek Hill?

Yeah,

two first round picks

oh yep because i know i got him but i got him yeah i give two first round picks he's gonna be an instance he's gonna instantly be a he's instantly gonna be still cheating tyree kill it's not his fault you see him you see him you see him being able to make it back to kansas

i don't know about the relationship man I'd like him to come to Pittsburgh.

That'd be crazy.

I heard rumbles that they offered him something.

um

speaking of pittsburgh buddy aaron roggers could surpass brett far for career touchdowns on sunday i will be at that game dude i will be at that game rogers has thrown for a 507 regular season touchdown passes favre retired with 508.

He could pass him in that game.

All he got to do is throw two of them tutties, man.

If Rodgers throws two touchdowns on Sunday against the Seahawks, he'll tie far for the fourth.

One touchdown, sorry, he'll tie far for the fourth most in NFL history.

If you throw two, he'll go take him over, obviously.

So, Rodgers actually, oh, he got a long way to go before he gets to Brady.

Brady got 649 regulars.

Yes.

Yeah, second is...

Breeze with 571, followed by Payton with 539.

I guess Rodgers has a chance to pass Peyton, though.

We'll see.

649 is crazy work.

Out of control.

Out of control.

Out of.

Uncle Tom was launching them joints.

Dude, I tell you what, man, I wanted to, like I said before, I wanted to hate that dude when I went there, man, just because just playing against him, never met him, never, you know, knew of his personal nothing.

You know what I'm saying?

And I get there, and as soon as I get there, you know, like he the first person pop up.

Hey, man, how you doing?

I'm tom brady i'm like man i know who the you

look coming up me like talking like you know what i'm saying introducing yourself you to you know what i'm saying so

i'm sitting back i'm like yeah let me watch him man i know he's fake you ain't trusting me

i'm like i know let me sit back and watch this i know he's fake as hell he's trying to set me up i sit back man i'm watching him man same thing dude you know practice squad dude come in you know

just watching him all week seeing him move around dude and i'm sitting there and uh he's on the table like next to me and i'm like yo i got a confession to make man i ain't gonna lie man what i want when i came here man i wanted to hate you i said but you a good dude man i see what everybody like man he is genuinely good

and he messed with everybody solid like i'm happy to hear that yeah yeah but i am but i'm at a rod do you think obviously do you think he's gonna you think you being there you think he's gonna break the record you think not break the record but pass uh brett fav

oh yeah dude he ain't that far you need to throw one to tie him and two to pass him

yeah he go he go get he go get fav no matter what

that's gonna happen

the one that

i think is yes that that's gonna be very that's that's gonna be i think that's gonna be a little questionable he still have to play more he's gonna have to play more

if he if he does that

or you think he's gonna

he threw a listen he threw four last week

on average

a four game averaging four game is crazy work we listen that was just that was just you know that was an average that's what the average is right now right there for a game so i'm going as that's sick four that's 68 touchdowns through 68 touchdowns

through

through listen through 17 games 68 touchdowns

ain't what what we talking about?

It's possible.

It is possible.

He averaging four right now to

as of today.

As of today,

he's on target for 68.

He's on pace.

He's on pace.

He's on 68.

And if he gets 68.

68 touchdowns.

You heard it live.

If he gets 68, he passes Drew Brees, too.

Aaron's on pace.

If he gets 68, he passes Drew Brees and Peyton Manning.

Yes.

That's, I mean, that's where it's as of pace right now.

As a pace, make sure you say as a pace right now, because that's

as of pace right now.

My man, Aaron Rodgers, is on for 68 touchdowns.

She averaged three D, but he had 51.

Hey, bro, averaging, I ain't gonna lie to you, averaging three is hard too.

That's what I'm saying.

You said four.

I know.

I know I've ever heard.

But you tried to drop it down like it was realistic.

I'm just up here talking hella boatless.

Okay, okay, okay.

My bad.

I'm

I'm a numbers guy.

I just got to see what it looks like.

Speaking of numbers, the number one overall pick, Cam War's debut didn't look great.

They, they, uh, but they failed.

Whoa.

But they failed to tell the whole story.

War's completion rates was affected by mistakes.

from his head coach plus several drops from his receivers.

The quarterback, however, hasn't lost confidence confidence in his past catchers.

He says, I'm never going to go, I'm never going to get on these guys for dropping the ball.

I'm going to throw a pick at some point in the season.

So bad plays are going to happen.

The biggest thing is when we get back to the huddle, we have to always have a next play mentality.

I'm not.

I'm not too worried about that.

These boys are going to play.

These boys are going to catch the ball.

What do you?

I like the young quarterback believing in his guys.

I saw him out there when I watched the game, and I think he has a great presence.

And, like he said, too, they were dropping some good passes that he was throwing to them in the fourth quarter, like trying to lead them back.

So I just love the way he still believes in them.

He knows he's a young quarterback.

He's going to have bad times when he needs them to believe in him and be like, pick him up.

So, same time, just not putting his teammates, like not

being mean to his teammates or like throwing them under the bus.

I think that's a sign of a good quarterback that's like building confidence in those guys.

So they want to do, they want to do better for him.

And at the same time, like we said earlier, they feel terrible.

They want to make those plays.

So not jumping on them, adding to it.

When you know these dudes care, they feel bad.

Your quarterback is standing up for you.

So I think in the future, they're going to try to.

work a little harder obviously and hopefully those uh hopefully they catch those passes but this is a good sign of him just being a good leader

yeah yeah i i 100 agree with you on that, especially, you know, him saying that, you know, it's going to come to a point in time where, you know, he's not going to, he's not going to be doing as well.

And,

you know, he's hoping he's going to get the same, you know, treatment that, you know, you treat somebody how you want to be treated.

You know, he's going to be there.

You support them.

He's hoping they'll do the same thing for him.

Great, great,

great, great person or mentality to have as a quarterback, especially when you're, you know, you're the QB and you're the leader of that team.

Yeah,

it can't get any better than the grace.

But

before we get to the ticket winners, we got some super chats, Joe.

Lisa Lynch

donated 20 and said.

Go ahead, Lisa Lynch.

Shout out, Lisa Lynch.

Lisa Lynch.

Lisa Lynch cooked.

She said, love you too.

God bless.

God bless you too, Lisa Lynch.

God

is good.

Yes, he is.

My good man, Brother Debo.

God is good.

Come on.

All the time.

Okay, and all the time.

God is good.

There we go.

What you thought?

I grew up in the church, Debo.

Let's go.

Okay, so listen, drum roll.

If I drum this thing, this thing might fall.

The moment we've all been waiting for

our two ticket winners,

Joe.

Winner number one.

Full name?

No, we're going to go with Instagram.

We're going to go with all of it.

James.

James.

Ding

Dingman.

Instagram still city underscore JD.

You are

the first winner two tickets to the Stillers season opener as we go in there and pound the life out of the Seattle Seahawks.

DK go come out of there with probably a buck 75, three tugs,

and Roger go throw another one to somebody else.

They're going to average a four touchdowns.

All right.

So,

whoa,

here we go.

Winner number two.

Olivia Rainey.

Instagram.

Short 185.

She's a short 185 Instagram.

You are the second winner of the two tickets.

To the stillest season opener

with

the boss, shout out to James, shout out to Olivia,

shout out to Olivia.

Congratulations,

y'all are gonna have a blast.

You, you, you guys are really gonna have a blast.

It's gonna be a great time had by all, and uh,

we go ball.

See, I'm getting we're getting French again, so

so this is what we want you to do.

We want to

we really want to thank you guys for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe.

What we're going to need y'all to do, we're going to need y'all to hit the like button and subscribe to this thing right here.

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Hey, Joe, take it from here, baby.

Okay.

Oh, my goodness, Debo.

You take care of your voice, man.

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