Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Seahawks-Cardinals, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s DROPS, Steelers Ireland preview

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Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe.

I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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How you doing today, Joe?

Man, I'm doing good, Debo.

I'm doing well, man.

How you doing?

I'm doing real good, man.

Listen here, man.

Before we get started, man, I got something to talk about, man.

This find that they gave,

what is it, Saint Saint?

St.

Pierre Brown, whatever.

St.

Brown.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's idiotic.

Y'all need to to find yourself for letting it go out if that's the case, if you feel so strongly about it.

Because you bleep out everything else.

You bleep out shit,

damn bullshit,

of fuck, motherfucker, all this stuff.

You bleep all that out.

But this right here, you're finding him for.

You ought to find yourself for not having some type of delay if y'all feel that strongly about what he said.

Because he said I run this shit I done heard you bleep out shit I done heard people say I run this shit so it got to be the nigga yeah

I hear you this is the this is the one part where I'm saying like a lot of this stuff is getting caught live where when the refs are announcing the call like when my man Jackson Smith said this is some bullshit to the ref and he was about to throw him hit him

you know what I'm saying like that shit was crazy he was looking at the ref ref was looking like him like man like I could literally throw a 15 yard flag at you right now so i understand what you're saying so sometimes things on live can get caught so it's like you're understanding is it because he said the word is that why he gotta be because people when you say the delays certain things are gonna get caught because those airbomb 42 000 bro 42 000 understand that's so so what i'm trying to get where hey where where where the nflpa at man where them bum ass

where where they at

Like, like, where in your contract?

Where in the collective bargaining agreement that say you get fine for saying nigga?

42,000.

There's no, there's nothing, there's nothing.

And then at the same time, people, when you're on the field, these are, this is what people are

on the field.

If there was people getting fine for everything that was said on the field, that's not okay.

Like people are out there, they're getting cussed out.

The ref got just cussed out by Jackson Smith, like on the field.

There's some bullshit.

Like, are they not going to find him $43,000 for it?

So it's like.

don't be begging hey hold up now if you find him 43 000 for that then you got to find everybody else for every cuss word that come out there.

That is normal conversation through the whole process.

And I think that they got so sensitive with this word nigga.

Like, he's not saying it in a like derogatory type, hey, nigga, cool,

all that other stuff.

Not hard are.

Yes, not hard are.

And he wouldn't say that anyway.

That's what I'm saying.

He's saying,

he's just talking shit.

No question.

100% talking shit.

So if you go back and they go, they caught the right.

So, if they catch that bullshit and they go and find him for that, now these dudes, they can't even talk no more.

You can't even say nothing.

It's the heat of the moment.

It's the battle when dudes is playing.

Like, dude, dudes get riled up.

You know what I'm saying?

At the end of the game, you'll dap it up with dudes, whatever, but you say some things that are definitely out of characteristic.

Dudes are out there blacking out, like, legitimately, because you're playing hard and emotions get high.

So, you say some stuff, and it is what it is.

But at the end of the day, if you're just literally walking and stepping, they're trying to find people.

No question.

No question.

Look here.

Look here.

Look here, man.

This is what needs to happen.

St.

Brown needs to call the NFLPA, the leadership of the NFLPA, and be like, yo, what's up?

Do something.

Help me.

Come on.

Come on.

Do something.

You just got to, what, the executive,

what he got.

partial, whatever it is.

Listen, that's why I got to run for NFLPA.

That's why I got to be the guy there.

You ain't going to have nobody there that's going to fight for you like me.

Yeah.

I know what you go through.

I done played the game at every level.

I've been a practice squad player.

I've been a dude making minimum.

I've been a dude making a lot.

What are you talking?

I've been fine for all kinds of bullshit.

You need somebody there that's going to fight for you.

Go talk to the NFL PA, see what they go do.

I ain't heard people word out of them since this happened.

They should have been going,

going hard for him immediately where they at.

Listen, I'm James Harrison and I approve this message.

James Harrison, NFLPA, executive director.

Let's go.

Let's get it, Debo.

I feel you.

That's that.

I understand where you're coming from when you're saying about if you're going to start finding dudes for what every word that they say while they're on the field, that is something that you're going to open up a whole different bag of worms.

If it's because he's saying the N-word, the nigga word, that's something you're uncomfortable with NFL, you like,

that's not in the rule book.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's just, it opens up a whole different bag of worms.

I don't think they want to get involved in because you caught my man, Jackson Smith, if that's the case, cussing out the ref.

And that's just what you do.

What you go do?

Hey, listen, man,

you walking a thin line right there if you go and find him for that.

So you're saying you could cuss, you just can't cuss

when they go here.

If that's what they do, I don't know.

So if that's the case, what you need to do.

If you're going to cuss, don't get caught.

No.

You need to find your damn self, too, for having the mic live and everything else.

Y'all need to get a good 30-second delay so you can bleep that out.

So that way you don't get fine.

They don't get fine.

Whatever you find them, you need to find yourself

10, 20 times as much for letting it get out there.

Bombs.

Yeah, no, for sure.

For sure.

Dumb ass niggas.

Yeah.

It's them live sound bombs that's going to catch them every time.

Yeah, made me go my body.

Man, see, listen, man, I'll be trying, man.

I'll be trying, bro.

Listen, man, let's get to this game.

Now, this Seattle Cardinals game, bro, I did not see this thing going and ending up where it was at 20 to 23, dude.

Like,

the first quarter, I'm thinking, nah, it's going, something go happen.

It's going to go wild.

Like, but not really, you know, I think the biggest thing that happened was

the fourth down that Seattle went for.

They didn't convert it.

When they didn't convert that, they gave Arizona a short field.

And hell, I think the second play, dude, Arizona had an interception.

Yeah, they had an interception.

They had a pick early.

They got lucky.

It got back.

They got it back.

And then they were able to, I think they hit a run for maybe like 10, 15.

They got a face mask that advanced another 15.

He went to throw a 10.

The first pick that they got was when they went to throw the dig to Marvin Harrison Jr.

and he quit on the route.

That was the one thing I didn't like.

You got to keep, you got to, you got to keep.

I wouldn't say he quit on.

I would say he

did not think that it was going to go too much.

Even if he had, from the way he threw it, even if he had dug through that, I don't think he would have, he would have still caught it.

No, I don't think he would have caught it, but at least we could have played D, we could have played DB.

We could at least broke it up.

You know what I'm saying?

Your quarterback was believing it.

So that was the one.

And then they ended up getting that back, though.

You know?

Yeah.

And then, like I said, they moved, got a little run, a penalty advance, and then false start basically made them have to settle for the field goal.

So,

but Seattle comes right out.

I think it was six, seven plays.

Yep.

At a pass of like 12, the touchdown was 16.

A run.

McDonald's

like 10.

Another one for 21.

They 7-3 now.

It's, you know, I'm thinking it's about to be a, they're about to roll them or something.

And then the first possession they get back, Arizona, They he gets sacked like two times.

No, he gets sacked once.

I think it was second down, then it was a scramble on the third, and they end up having to punt.

Um,

I don't know, right?

I don't know.

I'm thinking then, like, it's more of a, I don't know, it's maybe it might end up being a possessional thing, you know, first quarter peep.

People don't sometimes don't play up to the potential that they could, you know, be playing to.

And uh,

then Marvin goes, and

he was just out of character i guess he he dropped the pass they tip

interception seattle gets the ball you know they're driving and the nang on uh running back he stalls him out you're going you're going to throw the ball at him you got to talk to him without a flag you got to point the ball at him without a flag and then you said the hell with it let me throw it and now you tend you know you you killed a driver

yes yes so man

self-inflicted wounds on the seahawks part on that part, just a little discipline, like the holding.

We had a holding a little bit later, and then on that play, you know what I'm saying?

So, I think they definitely a lot of the stuff that happened to them was more they can be in control of it.

It's just emotions, like you get, you can't.

You're on a holding, and then on that play, like you said, he got away with the first thing.

Taunton put the ball up to his face, and then he still threw the ball at him.

I'm like, Walker, that's that's the triple crown drawer.

You definitely

know when to stop, you ain't know when good enough, it was good enough.

enough arizona do nothing with the ball seattle come back out they hit like a 32

you know uh 24 i think dude scrambled for about 15 20 and then you know the pi

that put that put him right there

score again it's 13 to no it's 14 to 3 14 3 yeah

and you know basically at the end of the half Kyler is almost picked on the first one, and then he's sacked and pressured and, you know, the half ends.

So you go out there, and I think Darnold went like, he didn't have a bunch of yards, like maybe eight of 11, something like that, for 120, 125.

Kyler, he had two picks,

14 to 23.

I don't even think it was 100 yards, like 80, 85 yards, something like that.

And Arizona only had like 107 yards, bro.

In the first half?

In the first half.

That's not what you want to, you know, that's not what you want to start, dude.

No, no, not at all.

And then we legitimately, with those first two, we had two picks, two turnovers in the first half.

They ended up getting one back, and then they got three points off of with a field goal.

But that's not, that's not going to be, that's not what you need on your offense for sure.

No question.

But then AZ, they come out, begin the third.

The boys get a sack fumble, but they let.

They let Seattle recover it.

And they end up getting three up out of that.

So we had, what, 13, you know, three to

17, three.

17-3.

Dude, again,

Kylie was under pressure all night, dude.

He got sacked six times.

Yes, dude.

The next possession, dude,

he's pressured.

They get a holding call.

Like, then they got a punt again.

But the defense did finally show up, though.

They did like a, they did three and out, I think, a couple possessions later or something like that.

Third quarter defense was good.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that, that's, yeah,

they did a three and out i think arizona was driving the ball but i think they got sacked twice yeah they got sacked twice and ended up having to settle for a field goal that got behind the change so you know how that go i think that was because basically they had the the jackson split for jig but they had the run they got it all the way down there and then he did the holding he got called for holding he almost got the double flag because that's when he pulled out to the ref they caught him walking by him on live tv ref that's a ball

and the referee looked at him like he wanted i ain't gonna lie i don't think that was a hole that's one of them situations where you get hit and you get ran over and you just

goes up you know what i mean i don't know if he really pulled him in like they was trying to say he did i don't know for sure but but that's that's another just that's another play that happened that's another that's that was the flag there it was on him and that was another play that kind of stalled another one of their drives i think seahawks like i said they could have beat them by they could i think they could have beat the cardinals by a lot more it was more uh close than it looked and especially the seahawks the cardinals played a great fourth quarter we get you know you're about to get into that but at the beginning of the game it looked like the seahawks should have definitely been beating them by a lot more than they were they should have played because i mean they didn't they didn't like i said you had penalties that that slowed them down even after uh it was 16 to 7 you know seattle comes out and they go 14 plays and they only get a field goal because they had two penalties one was a hold yeah the other was a false start so they end up settling for another you know another field goal it was three field goals there that you know it could have could have turned into you know seven points right there yep and you know from that point you know carlin murray kind of does what he needs to do and and and and takes it sort of into his hands and he just you know he's like you know what i'm just scrambling up out of here i think he hit for almost 30 and then they had that uh huge pi huge pi call yeah that put him at the nine and then turn it again he gets sacked he gets sacked again and i'm thinking oh they about to be stuck

Arvin finally comes through.

16 yards.

When he caught that ball, I thought he was about to cry or something.

How long he stayed down there?

Because he's been dropping the ball a lot.

You know, like his season hasn't been going the way he wanted.

It's been previous games.

He's been dropping the ball.

So, you know,

he knows he's good.

He knows he's not playing to his ability.

And then them two plays before, like him dropping the one and it coming off of his fingertips and turning into a turnover.

You know what I'm saying?

Like he sees stuff.

He feels very emotional.

I can tell he cares, he wants to be great.

So, just being able to get in the end zone, you know what I'm saying, trying to fight back, doing a really good job in the fourth quarter, coming up with some third-down conversions and catching that pass.

I know it was emotional, you know what I'm saying?

Just because

I've been fighting for my fucking life, listen, listen, bro.

I'm not gonna lie to you, bro.

After Seattle missed that field goal, you know me.

As soon as you know, you know, you know how

I'm like, oh man, I think that they gave Arizona a shot now.

And what, hey, hey, what AZ do?

They came back out there.

Fourth down, they converted that thing, bro.

Tied up 20-20.

I'm like, oh, my goodness, they might lose this game.

And the kicker doesn't get the ball into the drop zone.

Puts him at the 45.

Darno completes like a 20, 25 yarder, and then they do a little run.

And

the field goal, the kicker, get come back out and redeem yourself.

That's why I'm going to respect Darnold.

He went out there, he made a play.

The kicker, you got to get it into the drop zone.

Right now, protecting the field goal kickers are kicking the ball deep off from way deeper.

We had to protect the 35-yard line.

Now you got to protect damn near the 50.

So kick the ball deep and get the ball.

Like, make a tackle within the 20, within the 25.

No one, you got to stop at least two and that, two first downs.

You got to stop 25 yards.

The one thing I do respect from the defense was they didn't play bail.

They didn't just back up and see to it.

That was man-to-man.

That was a great throw and catch that they had to perform.

It was tight coverage and they backed they back shouldered it to get they Jackson Smith for Jigba and Donald made that play.

It wasn't just like no just nobody on them.

So I respect them for that, but that's why I feel like Donald didn't even got credit for that.

But at the end of the day, punt the ball deep.

So, I mean, kick the ball off deep.

Don't get him all the way starting at the 40.

So they need damn near near 10 yards to be within these new field, these new kickers field goal range.

So I think they did make a great play.

You know what I'm saying?

They had to do that.

They didn't just play that backup defense.

That man threw a great back shoulder fade.

Smith and Jake but got his feet and it was beautiful.

But I think they need to do better coverage.

And then right there, I mean, it was a great play on the offense.

Yeah.

They need more.

They need more of Marvin Harrison.

Kyler

said after the game, he said he loved the way that he fought back and continued to play hard and continued to make plays.

Obviously, he's probably going to go to, he's probably going to go home thinking about that shit.

But at the end of the day, again, it's football.

We all make mistakes, but he continued to battle.

I think that's a good job of Kyler, you know, being a leader and, you know, instilling, you know, some

confidence into, you know, his young player and letting him know, you know, this is not the end all.

Anything could be turned around.

Just like you said, dude had bad three quarters.

And in the fourth quarter, you know, he was a big part of why they were able to turn it around.

Yep.

1,000%.

I think that's a real great job of Kyler, just giving his receiver that motivation and letting them know he's still there with him and being able to fight through the first couple of quarters.

I know you didn't mean to drop the ball.

It's not your intention to drop it.

I know you want to do good.

Seeing how he gets in the end zone, how emotionally he is with it.

So I think it's a really good his quarterback supporting him.

And, you know, just continue to, you got it.

Just it's, he knows, you know what I'm saying?

So like, you know, people like, man, you got to catch the ball.

Like, this obviously, I know Marvin Harrison, Marvin Harrison Jr.

knows this more than we do.

He's going to be out there trying to, he's trying to, he's going to have to just do better.

He's going to have to get it done.

Yeah, Arizona needs to do better.

I mean, the offensive line has to do better.

Yeah.

Too many pressures, too many sacks.

Kyler needs to be able to throw the ball downfield.

you know um

i think uh he had i don't know maybe it was seven or eight passes that were actually behind the line of scrimmage and marvin obviously has to get out of the funk he has to go in there and play better and their defense they need to be more consistent they they gave up way too many exposed plays you know so

Jigba was eating on the outside.

Walker was breaking through a lot of those, a lot of those runs.

Yeah, Darno was converting.

Darno was doing a good job too, just using his legs, hitting Jackson Smith when he needed to.

So, I mean,

I was honestly looking at the Seahawks like they were playing a really good game.

Yeah, yeah, it's a really good game.

Darnold did pretty good.

You know what I'm saying?

Over there.

He wasn't turning the ball over.

Right, right.

18 to 26, 240 yards, touchdown, you know.

I think he's starting to earn a little bit of that, you know, three-year, $100 million contract that Seattle gave him.

Come on, man.

that's that's right around the you know that 33 a year when you got dudes making 60 55 that's just boom stay with stay the keeping it and when you say 33 is keeping it afloat that's that dough so he's chilling no question he doing he's doing what his his pay he he's doing what his pay says he should be able to do boom right there you know what i'm saying and i love it and just making sure and then man maintaining the ship you don't got to do too much one touchdown zero turnout hey the defense is doing the defense is doing well I didn't think they were as good as they were because, you know, when they played against my Stillers, I was just, I think that was just hate.

You know what I'm saying?

No, for sure.

For sure, for sure.

So

I didn't, I see it now, for sure, but

I couldn't see it then.

Yeah, no,

because you had your goggles on.

You had your Stiller.

goggles on just basically like we're better than them i don't know how they're going to come in here and beat us not really just looking from the outside then so now you're looking from the outside when they playing a different team you're looking like okay oh i could actually see how they can get some things done for sure for sure speaking of stillers man my boy uh my guy big ben he had a little i guess he had a little bit of criticism for the vanilla stillers defense ahead of the ireland vikings game he said

To me, without studying our defense, it seems like we're pretty vanilla defense as it is.

It doesn't feel like to me we're getting a lot of unique pressures, unique defenses.

He said, even I,

even,

no, I think even Coach Tomlin said today in his press conference, he said something along the lines of situational and circumstances are preventing them from doing things.

And I don't know what that means exactly.

He added that it is, he isn't sure what's preventing Pittsburgh from trying new things, but he sure hoped for things to change in the scheme.

He suggested blitzing cornerback Jalen Ramsey and unique and utilizing linebackers in different ways.

So

when I came back in,

was it 2014?

Yeah, 2014, I was with the Pangles in 13.

Yeah, I'm retired.

Came back, they got me to come back.

When I came back, Dig LeBo was still the D coordinator, but they had changed.

Would you guys consider anything less than the championship to be a failure from this year?

I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day.

Obviously, the goal is a championship.

That's there's no doubt in that, and that's the goal.

We want to win a championship.

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that defense okay and when he says it's vanilla that is a true statement they changed the defense to make it easier to learn and understand

so that players

could play sooner so with the true dick lebo fire zone there is a real life learning curve

like

you could be in a defense that has you blitzing free, no responsibility, and they motion, and now you're locked up, man, on

number three.

But that's like a single nuance that you have to know.

And every defense has one weakness.

When you go and you try and change things to make it easier for player A or B to play, you create other weaknesses and gaps in the defense no no for sure for sure i think what they're running into with guys being out of place people not being covered is they're changing things so much to try and make it simpler but they're adding more gaps and holes to the defense in the process

yep do you remember the defense because i i could speak on that when i came in there in 2017 you were there too and the way that the fire zones were and just the the communication wise, I've been in, it was good for me because I've been in being able to be, it was different.

It was simple.

It was vanilla, like you said, but it was easy because everybody, you could be able to understand some stuff.

Like you had to, you communication, you had to be able in communication with the linebackers because the defensive backs, the safeties and the linebackers, if there's motions, there's going to have to be communications.

People have to start covering people.

You could turn from a, like you said, a blitzer with no responsibilities to garden three, to garden two.

You know what I'm saying?

So having that communication is big and when coach tomlin is saying that we're calling vanilla things they're just simplifying like just basically like cover twos and just not like everybody staying in the simplified spots but that's making other positions be able to it's errors you know what i'm saying it's making room for error there's too much gray like you're saying there shouldn't be gray you should be able to do this player a can do this player b can do this but if you start saying no this dude is in this position oh we're going to start trying to move it and make this make these changes it makes too much gray gray.

I just like when you, like you said, this is what it is.

This is what it is.

And you got to be able to communicate that and stand on it instead of being able to, nah, they can't make this play.

We're going to start moving and shifting things around.

I don't, it creates confusion.

Yeah.

Well, what it does is, especially for

when I got back, even go to last year,

the playoff game with,

was it Baltimore last year?

Was that?

Last year was Baltimore playoff game we had?

Was that Stillers playoffs?

No.

Year before?

The Stillers?

Last time they were in the playoffs, Brody, didn't they play the Ravens or something, didn't they?

No, they played the Browns.

Are you sure?

Or was it the last game of the...

No, because Lamar was playing.

So it must have been speaking in the last game of the season.

I don't know if it was the playoff game because we normally play the Ravens.

January, they got beat by the Ravens in the wild card game.

Okay.

So I'm watching that game and I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

And the outside linebackers that's playing on the end, they're crashing down in the triple option to get to the fullback where normally you play and

you play quarterback to pitch.

What they had us do when we did it is we actually just ran down to smash the quarterback is what Coach LeBeau changed it to.

When I saw the linebackers, the outside linebackers smashing down to try and get to the dive, I knew we was in trouble.

They had changed changed it to something that I didn't even recognize.

Like, I even tweeted out: why are our outside linebackers crashing down on the dive?

Like, now you got Lamar out here free and you got a safety coming down full speed, and you think he ain't gonna be able to get loose or pitch it off, or whatever it may be.

So, that's like one of those things that I saw, even from when I, after I was gone, that had changed, you know.

And, like I said, when I came back, I'm sitting there.

I'm like, yo, what's going on?

They're like, yeah, we had to, we had to simplify it.

We called it dumb it down.

They said they had to simplify it to make it easier for

guys that they wanted to play now to be able to play.

Where before,

the learning curve was at least a year, if not two, before you could understand the whole concept of diklabo defense.

No, I get that, but

I would respect that.

I like the way that you said it, Bab.

If you have a same coach that's there for a long time, that's creating a system that the player is going to have to eventually, it's going to take you a little learning curve to learn it.

But once you get it it's what the defense is there's not going to be any grades no mistakes there i think that you got to take that time to get that learning curve in but i know coaches like this no this young dude he's good we're going to need to get him out on the field no matter if he knows how to really handle this read option the correct way we're just going to make him take quarterback every time and then somebody else is like right you try and simplify it how to dumb it down in that yes in that process you mess up everything else that comes off of that.

So now you got to adjust this and you got to adjust that.

So now the safety that's supposed to be, you know, doing something else, now he got to come down and take care of that.

So now you're really, you're trying to fix one thing here and one thing there, but you're really adjusting sometimes the whole defense from it or at least half of it.

I think that that should go back to at the end of the day, too, with that, like they would have to just do a better job of training camp installs.

You know what I'm saying?

Making sure these things are getting drilled, making sure these things are getting worked on.

Like just the simple, the simple things, you know what I'm saying?

If you have dive, if if you don't have dive, like, these are the core values of the defense.

This is what we have to do, you know what I'm saying?

Like, the two motioning dudes around, like, figuring out that stuff.

So, that all starts, I think, at training camp, too.

But making sure, like, now, just the time that they're using, like, no, we're going to make it easier, just being able to get out there.

I don't, I don't like, I don't like that particular way to do it.

Yeah,

stillers in Ireland, baby.

So, the stillers are

they got in Ireland?

Vikings.

What are you talking about?

The Vikings.

We're going to go ahead and beat them down over there.

You know how it go, man.

That's just, that's just what we do.

Anyway, the Stillers beat writer.

They hinted at a renegade surprise in Ireland.

I don't know who's in control of this renegade surprise, but don't surprise me again like y'all did against Seattle and play it while Seattle about to kick the ball off so they could be hype as hell.

Please.

Don't play

our kickoff team.

Yes.

Our kickoff team.

No, no, no, no, no.

It was Seattle's kickoff team.

No, I'm saying, but we need to play it during our kickoff team.

We need to play it on a third

on defense

right before it come up or a fourth, something like that.

You don't want the crowd screaming and hollering when the offense is on the field.

You don't want their kickoff team getting hype while they're about to kick the ball off to us.

And all they doing is running down there with their hair on fire, 100 miles an hour, trying to knock somebody's head off.

Yep.

Yep.

You got to know the vibes.

You got to know the time to play it.

Please.

During our kickoff.

No question.

Yep.

Hey, let's get over here to your Browns, though.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Dan Campbell, baby.

He said the Browns have the best defense they have faced to date.

Campbell said

that Detroit's offense hasn't faced a defense as good as Cleveland yet.

You see, what they did to Green Bay, this defense is real.

This is probably the best defense we've faced to date.

What do you think of that statement?

This is what I'm saying.

This is a smart coach.

Dan Campbell, he knows the Browns are, no bulletin board material here.

He's trying to rub the ego.

You know what I'm saying?

He knows that.

Stroke it.

Stroke the ego.

Tell me how good I am.

Tell me how good I am.

So now the Browns defense goes in there trying to chill.

No,

I love it, though.

Dan Campbell's a great coach.

He's speaking facts.

The Browns defense is playing amazing.

And I want them to continue to play with their head on fire, knowing that they're coming in against now, Jabril Gibbs.

and Montgomery.

You know what I'm saying?

With those two-headed monsters that can really tote the ball.

So, I mean, I respect everything that Dan Campbell's saying.

He's speaking facts, but at the same time, he's speaking to his team, knowing what they have on that side of the ball, what they have with their running game and what they're trying to bring to the game.

So I think it's going to be a big time, a really good game with the Browns defense coming in there with playing at such a high level, everybody making plays in all the different levels.

But Dan Campbell is basically speaking like, you know, I know they're good.

I know they're good.

But talking to his team, he's ready to come out there and like try to establish their dominance because they're both physical teams.

Like that's the thing.

It's going to be line versus line, D line versus D line,

D line versus offensive line.

Both of them are going to be trying trying to establish their dominance so i think it's going to be a just a really good game to watch oh yeah no question i like we do the same thing you you go ahead and coach um

coach coward would tell us like yeah you never give them bulletin board material you you you you you be respectful you stroke the ego you give them all the all the comments that all the compliments that you can

And what we go do is go out here and prepare to try and destroy them.

He is a, yeah,

he's a coach that was a player.

He knows how it goes.

Yeah, for sure.

You know what I'm saying?

We're going to respect them.

You know what I'm saying?

Give everybody respect because that's what they deserve.

They're an NFL team.

They're coming out there, putting their boots on.

They're going to do this regardless if I say anything like, no, the Brown's like, we're going to come out there and run over them.

Now I'm giving them some reason to.

extra fire no let me tell them how good they are just coming here thinking it's sweet and then we're going to bust your ass real quick and then go about our business to the next.

And I think that's what kind of happened with you know, Green Bay.

They went in there thinking, oh, it's Cleveland, and we go, you know, we're gonna go in here and do what it is, what we do, and not thinking they really about to be in for a fight.

And they ended up losing the game because they didn't realize how capable the defense was.

You remember, your man was talking about they was going to undefeated before they played the Browns the whole season.

They didn't just disrespect us, he went and disrespected the whole league.

Whole league,

You got to fight for your life for the next 14 weeks.

Brother.

Because of something you said in week two.

You know what I'm saying?

And then the first week after you said it, they done smacked up on you.

Back out.

Wow.

A couple more.

Yeah, 12 more of them.

Like, what are you talking about, man?

That's just out of control, man.

Got to watch your mouth sometimes, man.

No question.

Speaking of defense, man,

Kyle Helmaton, defended Baltimore ravens coordinator or today saying the sky is not falling they're only three games into the season helmet said it's unfair to put all the blame on him when there are 11

when there are 11 guys out there on the field and they're playing their hearts out and he puts us in the right positions it's it's just a matter of us doing the right stuff

The Ravens,

what do you think he's saying?

He's saying what we were saying before?

He's saying what we're saying, man.

Player, the thing I love about Kyle Hamilton.

Trash.

You're playing like trash.

You're playing bad.

And the eye in the sky don't lie.

Your man is catching the ball.

And I think Kyle Hamilton is saying, how are you going to call on the coach when we're getting beat?

We're not in the right spot.

Somebody's running against them.

Every play that

shows us on the tape, somebody's not in position.

So

there's nothing that coach can do about that, but other than be on the field.

Like if somebody knocks me out of my gap, what the hell coach gonna call that's gonna make me better to be in my gap?

You know what I'm saying?

So I think Kyle is taking the player, the responsibility of like, end of the day, we're out there.

We're not communicating right.

If we were on the right page and if we were looking at the place and everybody was in their position and somehow we were getting beat, then that's a whole different situation.

But right, if they're putting us in the position to win

in the defense, then yeah, go ahead, throw that on the coordinator.

But you're talking about about guys being there, just not making the play, or guys totally blowing an assignment and not being where they're supposed to be.

That's like you said, that's that's the that's the that's the 11 guys out there.

That's 11 guys out there.

That has nothing to do.

I mean,

Baltimore is currently 32nd in total yards, 30th in run defense, 31st in pass defense, and 31st in points allowed.

Like, they're dead last.

Like,

I don't, I don't know what else you could say.

Like, that's, and when you, like I said, when you watch the games, it's not that they're, you know, they're just getting, you know, out of position.

They're hitting weaknesses in the defense.

It's nothing like that.

They're getting beat, pushed around, missing tackles, missing assignments.

Like, at some point, you got to go out there and do your job.

Hamilton also added, he said, I feel like sometimes Ravens can be a little spoiled, just like the amount of success this franchise has had.

We lost five games in 2024, and the world is about to end.

Do you think Ravens fans are,

I guess, spoiled

by the success?

I mean,

for the last since since Lamar Jackson has been there, they've won a lot of games.

You know what I'm saying?

I mean, going like their playoff success hasn't been great, but we're to the point now when we know the Ravens is going to be good.

How far are they going to get in the playoffs?

Can they beat the Chiefs?

Can they beat the Bills?

They've always been an AFC since Lamar Jackson's been there, so I can see them saying getting comfortable.

But at the end of the day, the players got to walk into the stadium and win the games.

So, like, if you're not performing to a high level and you're giving up, you have the 31st ranked defense in a lot of categories, that's not on the fans.

You know what I'm saying?

They have reason to be like, This is like if you're like 15th or 10th or something like that, and they're like, Man, come on, man, we remember when we were number one, right?

Last, who like they got cause to pause and be like, You got to make some tackles, you got to make

like spoiled?

Nah, nah, listen, man.

Y'all dead last, if not second to last, in every category that you got defensively right now.

So it's not about being, being spoiled.

It's about y'all playing like absolute trash.

And

they're upset, dude.

I remember, like you said, I remember when we was in, you know, when I was with the Stillers from 2007, when I started until 2012, we went 1-1-5-2-1-1.

That was our defensive ranking.

Dude, when we were five, we were like, bro, we are trash.

We like, bro, we ass.

Like, what are we doing out here, man?

And that was, you know, that was a five.

It's not a situation like that.

And the crazy thing is, like, some of the fans were saying the same thing, but we was a five-ranked defense.

Like, that was.

No, no, no.

Now, that right there is that right there is when they could be a little, what did he say?

What was he saying?

The fans are a little spoiled.

Spoiled.

Yeah.

That's when you're a little spoiled.

If you go for one, one, two, five, man, what y'all doing out here?

Spoiled.

If you go, we was already one, one, 31.

You could ask, ask SRC.

We was like, bruh, what's going on?

Like, we trash.

What's going on, bro?

Like, and we really thought we was trash.

Like, we like we five.

Like, we try, like, what's going on?

Like, it's a standard,

you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, no, that's a standard, though, that y'all gotta set.

That's lit.

Oh, man, man.

No question.

That's like, bruh,

that

success, that like, just, you know, even when I came in, that was just what it was.

Like, my OGs, you know, Jason Guild and Jory Porter, like, like, this is what it is.

This is the standard.

Like, and they went out there, did it, showed it, worked it from off the field to on the field.

And everything that they did was in pursuit of a championship, dude.

Like, do you sense that Baltimore's championship window might be starting to close here?

I don't think that it's starting to close.

I think that.

you think the fans may think it's starting to close then i think the fans may start i think the fans may start i think the fans are just worried about right now they still got lamar as long as you got lamar they got a chance but i think that the defense it ain't happening dude they got lamar and look what's happening

i mean they can't they can't they can't get over how bad the defense is

the defense like i said with kyle hamilton i think he i know he's a baller and i know that they have players that it's not it's not the players the players have to play better and if they don't start playing better it's going to to continue to show.

And I don't think it's nothing that the defensive coordinator can do.

So I think that these dudes got to start physically, individuals, each 111, start playing better, looking at the tape, making sure that they make these plays.

So, I mean,

I'm not going to root them out, but at the same time, I mean, I'm not, it's not looking good.

Listen, anybody waste

the talents of Lamar Jackson.

It's not like every year is going to be the same.

He's going to start to decline at some point.

And you need to be able to take advantage of that.

You know, you're not going to have those same 53 guys on the roster each year.

And when you lose one guy at this position or that position that was a key, you know, role player, that can be the difference between you getting in the playoffs, not getting in the playoffs, winning the Super Bowl, not winning the Super Bowl.

I think it's a little bit of a window starting to close, especially if they cannot fix that defense, because it's almost like it doesn't matter what he does.

If they don't score every possession, they're not going to be able to win because the defense is dead last in everything and can't stop nothing.

No, you're right.

If

the defense doesn't improve,

they don't stand a chance.

1,000%.

I'm saying, can they, do you think they can improve?

Is the question do you think they will improve is the question

do you that's that's the

that's the that's the hard thing i think

i don't know who they they they they they get to play uh next i think they need a game

that is like one of those

easier games like yo we got to fight a little

but and then like go out there and have tremendous success.

I think it'll give them some confidence, but

you're just,

like, the missing tackles thing is hard.

That's something.

I mean, I know it's early.

I hope they don't fix it at least before they play the Steelers twice.

Like, that's it.

Like,

I'll tell you what.

They play the Chiefs this week, right?

I think they play the Chiefs this week.

And Kansas City, all right?

So, this is what I'm gonna do,

or this is what I'm gonna say:

dude, there's no way they shouldn't beat Kansas City, but if they lose that,

they ain't gonna get it fixed this year.

If they win that, they got a possibility of getting it fixed this year.

Joe, where you at?

Joe, you hit mute.

Yo, yo, yo.

You hit mute, bro.

Oh, no.

Somebody.

I'm looking like, what is he?

Is he my bad?

My bad.

I said, I want to.

I thought you was mining.

I know.

I was over.

I said,

okay, my bad.

My bad.

My bad.

No more mute.

No more mute.

I was trying to say, I'm trying to figure out how the game has played out, though.

You said they played the Chiefs.

I heard you clearly, though, Debo.

Me and you,

we never lost

i want to see how the game plays out i want to see how what the defense looks like what they can do against patrick mahomes if they if they can create some sacks if they can get some turnovers if they can just be in their gaps if they just don't have people running around like scot-free you know what i'm saying like just play trying to get on a have a good game as a defensive team no no bust just looking fluid looking like they're running some stuff so i mean offensive wise like we said but that's the thing too with the ravens playing against is patrick mahomes and it's the bills for lamar Jackson.

I think during the regular season, it's he's going to ball out regardless.

I think he's going to hoop because that's just what he does.

I just want to see when the game gets close.

Is it tight at the end?

The fourth quarter?

Who's going to make those plays?

Whose defense is going to make those stops?

Because I don't think it's going to be a blowout.

You know what I'm saying?

I think that these two teams, they're really, really capable.

But once you get to the fourth, that's what's going to determine what happens in the game.

Hey, got a question.

Yes.

Remember a dude named Orlando Brown Jr.?

Yes, I do.

Well, he said his welcome to the NFL moment came from you.

Let's take a listen, bro.

And I see him dip low and he lit my big ass up.

What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

People never expect to hear this, but I got TJ Wild one-on-one all game, played my ass off.

I was out there snapping.

But early in that game, like the first series, pulled around on a toss crack.

And I see Joe Hayden.

It's me and him.

I'm just kicking out the corner.

And I see him dip low and he lit my big ass up.

Man, I was seeing stars tingly on the right side, and it was right in front of Mike Tomlin.

I'll never forget because I'm looking at it.

I'm pulling, I'm like, man, it's a five-foot-tank pointer.

What the hell is

this dude gonna do?

Yeah, yeah, he hit me so hard, bro.

And that, that was like, for me, that was like a wake-up call.

Like, all right, damn, it's different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know if I've been caught slipping like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Debo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Deblo.

You heard it.

You heard it.

I live ways, Debo.

Come on, man

boy hey got you one

bro okay i'm trying to tell you that's the one thing i remember

i definitely remember that bro i lifted his ass up so good right in front of coach t same foot same shoulder i need that hey hey hey on the way in though what was you thinking

i'm i'm about i'm thinking he thinks i'm slipping He thinks he's going to fold me.

I got something for his ass.

That's what I'm thinking.

I'm in front of the bench.

Yeah.

I'm like this.

You get same foot, same shoulder.

I need all that.

Debo.

He was hoping you wasn't going to come in there with that.

He was probably looking to go ahead and swallow you up.

Just grab like that.

Go ahead.

Yes.

Cool, whoa, whoa.

But Debo.

Swallow you up.

Pause.

Oh, whoa, whoa, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Pause, pause, admirable, admirable pause.

No question.

But Debo, I'm trying to tell you, this is the one thing that you always said that the coach would say this too, like everybody got something dirty to their job.

Everybody got something dirty.

And if you got the, if you the end man, you got a nub in, and it's crack replace, you got to replace.

If there's a pulling edge, you got to come set that edge.

And I wanted, I respected, I love being the cover corner, but at the same time, I'm not afraid to come hit.

Like, that's what football is.

Ever since we was a kid, we trying to bum.

Like, I'm trying to, yeah, catch somebody slipping or anything like that.

So now I'm like, all right, bet, these are big dudes, whatever, they come around the corner but it's not i'm not going to do it i don't have to do it every single play because i'm a corner but when i do have to get my hat dirty i'm going to come in this joint and get my hat dirty and that's why i love people on my team they respect it because i i love tackling you know what i'm saying i never i never never duck contact Oh, no question.

You got to come in there.

You got to come in there one of them times, at least early, and you got to get them what they looking for or what they ain't looking for.

They thinking you're going to come in there and do a, do a shake.

Uh-uh.

You come in there and raise on him.

Now that next one, don't come in there like that.

He gonna dive at you.

He gonna dive at you.

No, Debo, no, no, no, no, no.

Debo, I don't want though.

I want no more parts of Orlando now.

He would have came and smacked me, but I had to get my one off on him for sure.

Oh, man.

I want no parts of Orlando now, brother.

No, no, no.

I gave him that one early.

The Eagles, man,

they going down to Tampa.

Baker Mayfield said traveling early won't help the Eagles with the heat.

What's the hottest game you ever played?

And what's the hottest weather you ever played in?

Man, I could just say the hottest weather I ever played in had to be when I was at the University of Florida during training camps at Florida.

Okay.

Training camps at Florida was the hottest weather I've ever been in in my life.

Had to be in the hundreds for show.

And you would see, you would just look out, Debo, and you would just see, like, you'll be looking at your homie.

But if he was like 10 yards away from you, it looked like it was, you could see heat waves in between you know what i'm saying i was like this what the is that

and the coach the coach mari be like yeah that's hell i'm like oh my god and you'll just be standing there sometimes you wouldn't know why you were so exhausted because you'll just be drenched your socks just mushing everything

down to your shoes just your shoes are wet i'm like this i didn't do nothing in the water it's hot out here and then you got to change your socks because it's like you have literally drenched wet and you're just getting the exhaustion happens.

You could just be standing there and just sweat running down your body.

And it's humid.

The humidity is just that heat.

That when you step outside, it's just sweaty and muggy.

So, like, Florida Gator camp heat, nothing like it.

And we was on turf.

Oh, oh, oh, my, yeah, yeah, oh, man, that's crazy.

Like, your feet are on fire, too.

They're burning at the bottom.

That's like training the AZ, dude.

Like, literally, standing on ice in between reps to cool your cleats off because your feet is burning.

Like you can't do it no other way, dude.

It don't happen.

I don't know if, I don't know why you would travel early just for the heat.

Like

they ain't going to adapt you.

Right, right.

What we would do is when.

you know, we had a game that was supposed to be like warm or something, you just go to the indoor, turn, they blast the heat up.

You know, you adapt that way.

That way you get a whole, you know, you get a whole week of trying, especially, you know, up north.

It's cold, you know, whenever you're going down there, you know, a little in between the seasons.

So throw you inside, throw the heat up.

Exactly.

Kind of a facility.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Unless they just wanted to go early because

you down there in Tampa, you know.

Oh, no, that's the opposite, Debo.

I don't know.

Hey,

Coach might want to go early, you know.

Nobody ain't playing physically the main thing the main thing,

keep the main thing the main thing.

Yeah, you keep the main thing the main thing, but you and I both know that some some people don't always keep the main thing the main thing.

I know, I know.

That's why I would have brought them down last minute.

Last minute, I'm bringing it down late as possible.

Y'all go get a good night's sleep.

We're gonna land, have a show, good night's sleep, then we go pop up and play this game.

Good little food, good little meeting.

I ain't giving you, I ain't giving you no free time, dude no bad check

i'm

bad check yeah

listen man i'm gonna tell you so i went

and

we go out to

california dude and we leave early i'm like dude why are we leaving early dude like we was there for like like two or three days before the game i'm like yeah i do not like this at all like and curfew like curfew you go curfew me on a day that you wouldn't even curfew me at the crib.

So why you go?

It ain't like I'm going to go nowhere.

I just

told me I couldn't even if I wanted to.

It's the principal.

Yeah, just the principality.

The principality.

I don't like that.

And when you go Cali the other way, you get time.

So you could actually, you know, afford to leave a little later.

I would think, you know, but I don't know.

But that was the only time.

Actually, that's the only time I've ever

went

early for

a game.

It was a Cali trip.

Yep.

I think

that was with Cincinnati, but any other time, we don't go early.

We go at the normal time.

Make sure you get yourself in bed early.

That's it.

I think we did the same.

We tried to go.

I think we went out there.

I think we might have went the day early, but the crazy part, we only went a day early, but we kept the time the same time.

Like we left, like, like, so we would go to sleep.

We were acting like we were still in like Pittsburgh while we were in LA, like the times and with the curfews and with the sky.

So nobody would really like throw it off.

So when you got out there, you kind of tried to go to sleep same time.

Like it was literally like we were still there playing at a like what four o'clock game instead of being one, something like that.

However, they did it.

But the math math up so we didn't change our time clock in our head at all

it was actually dope yeah

for sure for sure so shane is that steichen

matthew he said matthew stafford is probably one of the best to ever do it do you think stafford is a hall of famer

i I do.

I do.

I do.

I do.

I do.

I do.

I do.

I'm going to give it to my bulldog.

He wants.

This is the thing.

People always say, but he got him a Super Bowl too.

So for everybody else's stats, but just me as a watching him throw the ball, what he did all of those years in Detroit, I'm not going to knock him for not being able to win.

playoff games or make them go deep into spots in his in his career.

I don't think that's that's his fault.

I think that he had him and Calvin Johnson, his numbers and the way that he performed and the way he fought through injuries and the way that he basically led Detroit was kind of the only bright spot spot out there for a long time.

I don't think that's his fault.

And then for him to be able to go to the Rams in that year, go win a Super Bowl, being able to show, like, if I do have a squad with me, if I am surrounded by great players, you know what I'm saying, with defense, offense, coaching staff,

I'm not the reason why we weren't successful.

You know what I'm saying?

I think he was there for a little bit longer in Detroit.

I think he would have, if he would have went somewhere else, he could have more Super Bowls.

Maybe not, but it's seen that he did go somewhere, win one.

And with his numbers, with the way that I see him just throwing the football with his

numbers from the eye test, he looks like just all the different angles, all the different

passes he can complete.

I'm a fan of his.

I played him in college.

He played in Georgia.

I was at Florida.

So I've been watching his career ever since he got drafted.

So he's definitely in my eyes.

It just is consistency, longevity, great dude, stayed out of trouble, been a consistent leader.

You know, if you got Matthew Stafford, he's not going to be in the press.

He's not going to do any drama.

He's going to bring football.

He's going to to be a great quarterback.

He's not going to do anything to make your franchise to down your franchise or make them any stain on it.

So I respect him.

I really, really like Matthew Stafford.

I think that he's a Hall of Famer.

And I don't think he's done yet.

I think he's still going to play.

He's still got a couple more years left.

And

yeah, for sure.

I definitely think Matthew Stafford's a Hall of Famer.

I don't know if

I'll say

he is or isn't a Hall of Famer, but I'm just not 100% on

his total body of work especially with when he was in detroit um

i think you know he had calvin that's you know that that's a big help um

but i don't know it feels like now

that if a quarterback goes and wins a super bowl and

has the eye test of numbers, then, you know, it's like he's automatically a Hall of Famer.

You know, it's not, you know, yes, you have a, you have a great run here and there, like he, you know, he did with LA.

You have quarterbacks that, you know, do the same thing, have a, you know, have a couple great runs, you know, get a Super Bowl.

And now, you know, it's, you know, it's Hall of Fame.

I think

it has to be like, like more to it.

Like, did I fear that player when, you know, was I, was I concerned about that player?

Like,

when,

you know, you play certain quarterbacks, you're like, okay,

we know that we got to make sure we don't let him beat us.

Like,

we got to play tight.

We got, we got to be, we got to secure our tackles.

And then if some quarterbacks, you're like, you know what?

Wait for your opportunity.

At some point, he go hit you in the face with the ball.

You know, so

I don't know if just, you know,

one,

two, three, you know, years of a good run,

great run, whatever it may be, is

Hall of Fame.

I just feel like, like, I'm not

saying like this about any particular one person, but I just feel like it's getting, it's getting easier to

into the Hall of Fame.

Right.

It's, it's really getting

a little like watered down, you you know, like Deion Sanders was saying, like, they need to have a different room for, you know, guys that are those, you know, first ballot type guys or something like that.

Because, you know, right now,

it seems, you know, if you,

you know, if you're

like a head coach and you got to win a record, you got a, you got a Super Bowl, now you're Hall of Fame, you know.

So I know what you're saying.

You're not trying to

get, just let everybody go haul is this more making more quarterbacks with a super bowl

my thing is this did you change the game did they did they did they fear you respect you did they have to do

everything

like it was it was it was it was game plan to stop you or was it a situation where you know what we need to stop this

Like you go into a game and you're like, you know what?

Hey, we're not going to let this running back beat us.

We're going to stop the run, and they're going to have to use their quarterback, and he's going to have to throw them into a win.

That's things that we would do, especially like under Dick LeBo.

We know that they pass the ball great, whatever it is.

Okay, we're going to do everything we can to double the stars.

You know what I'm talking about.

You double this receiver, you double that receiver.

We're going to take them away and make them have to beat us, either running the ball, which they're not going to do, or using a different receiver.

So

my thing is: if they didn't game plan for you like that,

and now

you have the numbers to go with it, you impacted the game.

Maybe you changed the game.

You know what I'm saying?

Heinz Ward,

Chinese Ward changed the game.

They made crackback rules because of Heinz Ward.

Okay?

Yeah.

Like, in a time where they weren't passing like now, right?

That

was a person that they had to game plan for.

Heinz was going to do catch that rock and still bust your middle linebacker in the mouth.

Yeah.

Like players like that is like, okay, yeah, I can see that right there, the total body of work.

But coming in, you know,

two, three.

I want to definitely

Hall of Fame talk is a really good talk about just

how we think people should be able to get in.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, is it on not only a couple of runs, like you said, different rooms and not first ballot Hall of Famers.

Those dudes differently.

When is he ever going to, could he ever get into the hall?

Fourth ballot, fifth ballot.

You know what I'm saying?

There's definite levels to the first ballot hall of family.

Look at

what I'm saying.

Terrell Owens.

When you take Terrell Owens and you take his numbers and you put everything up there and you erase his name first ballot but because he was terrell orange and the reporters and all that other stuff didn't like the dude they got this is their chance now to oh i ain't like him so i'm gonna get my get back i'm gonna hold him out

no there's no way like it's no way he ended up getting he ended up he ended up getting in but that's exactly yes but that's what i'm saying the people that are making these judgments, they have their own personal vendettas of their own with different players.

To, oh, this is my time to go ahead and assert my dominance.

Now I can get, I can get some revenge for whatever it is that it may be.

You know,

look at

AB.

Hey, look, brother, I look at AB.

I was about to say, will not, A, B, will not.

I do not believe AB will get in first battle.

I don't believe.

I don't think he will get in the BTO situation where

if he gets in.

He is.

If he gets in, think about this.

Guys voting for it.

Now, if you cut

his numbers there, you take out all the off-field.

Yes.

You take all the stuff that wasn't actually football out of it.

And you just look at his work, his numbers.

Yes.

And what are we talking about?

Yes.

A thousand percent,

chances are he may not see it until it's way way past that.

He's not going to see it.

He might get senior category since they did it to TO and he was on the field and they gave him like second or third.

AB,

there's, I don't, they beat.

Well, like you said, like we both just said, dude, T.O.

was way longer than second or third.

No, what was T.O.?

What was TO?

When did T-O-

They had him waiting?

It had him waiting years, bro.

It had to be like 10 years,

TO.

How many times was it that T.O.

Yeah, but you say, so I know TO waited a couple of ballots, but you say he waited more than a couple, bro.

He literally just got in, not even what, five, six years ago, right?

Well, if he got in five, but don't you, you got to wait, you got to wait at least five once you get, once you retire.

No, I'm saying like how many ballots he went through.

Oh, you say he went through five ballots.

He didn't get into the third.

Third, okay.

Third, third ballot.

Yes.

He should have been first off rip.

He should have been first off rip.

That's what we, we in the same, we in the same

looking crazy, he made it to the third.

Like, and but Calvin first.

Calvin first.

Calvin first.

Calvin first.

Calvin eight years.

Calvin clean.

Calvin clean.

Right.

Clean.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

they liked him.

They loved that.

Obviously,

he's going to get stuff for that for sure.

Yes.

But I'm saying, so what, I mean,

I just know as a talent, AB's Hall of Fame.

Like, crazy Hall of Fame.

Like, that room that Dion talking about, Hall of Fame, that other room, Hall of Fame.

But then when you want to say you're going to add in, like, is it a Hall of Fame, like the way that he acted, whatever, people going to put that in.

So then I'm, I know.

Well, they,

it ain't people it's them 40 something people that are voting these them 40 something

that's what i'm talking about them people get to go ahead and and you know take their revenge like

pure numbers everybody come on stop it everybody know

but

like i don't yeah it's 1206 at some point the guys that's in there they need to be like you know what the guys that's in are the guys that's going to vote other guys in

they no ball, these these dudes out here taking revenge, yeah, no, no, no, Hall of Fame said, hey, I gotta look at the who, yeah, I'm gonna check, I'm gonna, I gotta check the, I gotta check the voters, check who the voters are, we're gonna check on the voters, got to, yeah,

yeah, for sure.

Like, I just, yeah, dude, I really don't understand it.

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