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Speaker 12 Brian Dayball, named Jackson Dart, QB1 for the rest of the season. Here's what Dayball had to say earlier today on the decision.

Speaker 15 So in terms of the quarterback situation, I met both with Russ yesterday and Jackson privately.

Speaker 15 And Russ was nothing but a pro, which I would expect him to be. It's my decision, going with Jackson.
We're going to get him ready to play. this week and the remainder of the season.

Speaker 15 He's going to do everything he can. Russ will be the backup.
The conversations that I've had with these young men will be private. The details will be private.

Speaker 15 All I can tell you is we're going with Jackson, and we're getting ready to play. So I'm not going to add too much to it.
Those are private conversations.

Speaker 15 It's my decision, and we're going with Jackson.

Speaker 12 Ocho, are we going to go ahead and hit Russ's? Okay. Okay, here's what Russ had to say about the demotion.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 Let me hear that. Let me hear that.
Let me hear my dog. Let me hear my dog.

Speaker 15 I think that for me, just staying ready, you know, knowing what I'm capable of. Like I said, life is about response.

Speaker 15 And, you know, I can control two things, and that's my attitude and my gratitude. And,

Speaker 15 you know, I think the other thing I can control is my work ethic and my preparation to be ready when my name's called again because I know what I can do and I know

Speaker 15 you know I know I'm gonna do it again. You know, so that's that's what I'm excited about.

Speaker 12 Now, Chad,

Speaker 12 ain't ain't gonna rage, bait. I ain't gonna do no kind of baiting.
But when I told you guys what was gonna happen, you don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 12 They got even my guy, even my co-host, the man been with me for two years. We've been through thick and thin.
I said, oh, Joe, I said, look at the way the man playing.

Speaker 12 Now, I'm telling you what's going to happen. I say over under eight weeks.
I said, Russ is going to start. Jackson Dart is going to be the backup.
And then James will be the third string quarterback.

Speaker 12 Nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 12 Everybody was agreeing with you, Ocho. I said, Ocho, I can see the way this thing playing out because they drafted this guy.
And at the end of the day, the one guy that can save my job is not Russ.

Speaker 12 It's not Jameis Winston. Who's the one guy that can save Brian Dayball's job, Ocho?

Speaker 16 Did you hear what you just said?

Speaker 16 I love that you went that route. Who's the one guy that can save my job? The guy that I wanted, the guy that I drafted.
But you throw a rookie quarterback out there, right?

Speaker 16 In the middle of the season, in the worst part of the season for them, schedule-wise, based on the opponents that they have to play, what happens when he doesn't play with?

Speaker 16 But here's what happened when things don't play with what happened if you stick to your guns and you say, Once you make this decision,

Speaker 16 you can't turn back.

Speaker 12 He said he's the quarterback for the rest of the year for the rest of the year.

Speaker 16 So you can't

Speaker 12 absolutely correct. And I wouldn't expect them to turn back and go back.
But here's the thing, though, Ocho.

Speaker 12 Even if you lose too many games and Jackson Dark comes into the plays well, somebody else is going to be coaching him next year anyway. So you've got

Speaker 12 to go with him.

Speaker 16 You was going, hey, listen, you was going right where I was going because I'm going to say, most of the time, I'm thinking as a quarterback, and listen, Jackson Dart, he showed flashes of brilliance, obviously, in the preseason.

Speaker 16 But again, that's preseason. You know how the defenses are very, very vanilla.
I think if he plays well enough, two things can happen. Either you can play well or you can play bad.

Speaker 16 If you play bad, the ball, you got it there. If he plays well and shows what we already, what flashes what we've already seen, hell, you still might be fired.

Speaker 12 fired true if jackson dart plays well i think he's gonna bide the ball sometimes might be right i personally now this is what we know i think sometimes we saw he got the job in new york because of how well he worked with josh allen but we see josh allen after he leaves still go wins an mvp okay right he go he has uh uh uh indiana jones Indiana Jones looks better away from New York than he did in New York.

Speaker 12 So how much are we to deduce that

Speaker 12 Dayball might not be the quarterback whisperer that we really thought he was? Because Josh Allen is, is still playing at the MVP level. He's the MVP front runner as we currently speak.

Speaker 12 And you look at Indiana Jones, what he's doing

Speaker 12 with the Colts. So, he, I don't, like I said, I did, and Ocho, we talked about it Sunday.
I said, Ocho, if it's me, I'm going to start him against the Chargers at home.

Speaker 12 I'm not going to start him on the road in a hostile environment. I'm going to start him because at least it will buy them some time.

Speaker 12 But I'm starting him Sunday.

Speaker 12 I said, I'll start him Sunday against the Chargers and then I'm going to go from there.

Speaker 12 But I knew this was going to come sooner rather than later just based on, look, and look, it's never just one guy's fault. You can't make 22 changes, Ocho.

Speaker 12 You can make, what's the one change that I think can significantly impact?

Speaker 12 Pack the game. They believe it's the quarterback position.
Now, the offensive line is going to have to play better. Everybody's going to have to play better, pick up their plate.

Speaker 12 You know, there are some mistakes that was made on Russ.

Speaker 12 And I think, you know, him throwing the ball out of the end zone on fourth down didn't do himself any favors. Throwing a couple of

Speaker 12 picks.

Speaker 12 But like you said, Ocho, it's not all on Russ. But the quarterback, they get way too much credit and they take way too much blame.

Speaker 16 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 16 I feel bad for Russ. I feel bad for Russ, but this is what happens when you're towards the end of your career and you're going from team to team.
Russ is a great guy. Russ is a great guy.

Speaker 16 He's a professional. He's the ultimate professional at the quarter of acquisition.
He's similar to what,

Speaker 16 if you were to have a comparison to Russell Wilson, when it comes to a receiver that does everything the right way as a professional, I look at Lazarus Gerald.

Speaker 12 Yep. You know, when it comes to the right thing.
He says all the right things. Does all the right things?

Speaker 12 Yep.

Speaker 16 Everything. So for Russ, I feel bad for him.

Speaker 16 God-fearing man one of god's children says all the right things does all the right things he works hard but obviously now it's in jackson dart team again i told you hunk i would be i would be uh in new york right so i'm in new york tonight so who you who you think i saw at the at the inner miami game and i told you i'm gonna see him balik neighbors

Speaker 16 balik neighbors so we sit there have a conversation i noticed the cameras are watching so they can't read no lifts I was out flip my back and turn to me and ask the questions that the questions that's necessary.

Speaker 16 You know, how you feeling?

Speaker 16 Things not going well? How you feel about not getting the ball? What do they need to do to be able to get you the ball? Putting you in different positions.

Speaker 16 And obviously, we had a conversation, very lengthy conversation, about 30 minutes, you know, on the field, on the pitch before the game started.

Speaker 16 And obviously, as any as any receiver feels and wants, I won't say anything verbatim. Put me in positions to make the plays.
I'm going to make them. That's it.
Put me, throw me the ball. That's it.

Speaker 16 It's pretty simple. It's not

Speaker 12 as complicated as possible. Nah, that's it.

Speaker 16 Put me in positions to make the

Speaker 16 It was simple as that. Simple as that.
Obviously, some other things, but I can't disclose those. But that's it.

Speaker 16 That's it.

Speaker 16 All right. And then he, of course, he says, it don't matter who playing quarterback.
Right. That don't matter.

Speaker 16 Not to me.

Speaker 16 I'm him. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I got to go do my job. But in order for me to do my job, I need people to put me in position to do my job.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Well, you say, Shadow, I need you, I need you to clean the gutters. Well, I'm going to clean the gutter, but you damn better give me a ladder so I can get my ass up there.

Speaker 12 You can't tell me to do something on Joe and didn't.

Speaker 12 Look,

Speaker 12 if I can win damn near any war, if you give me the machine, the artillery to go fight said war.

Speaker 12 You want me to go compete, give me opportunities, put me in position so I can compete. And that's all he's saying.
He's like, look, yeah, who wouldn't want to have a top five quarterback?

Speaker 12 But we know there's 32 teams and every quarterback situation is different. But

Speaker 12 what makes those guys unique is that their coordinators put them in position. Jerry got put in position.
Randy and Chris Carter, then the Marvin Harrison, then the Lamb Fitzgerald.

Speaker 12 All the receivers that have these numbers, the Pro Bowls, the all-pros, got put in position. No matter what you think about who's your offensive coordinator, Zeke Berkowski.

Speaker 16 No, no, no. Burkowski.

Speaker 12 I mean, no, Hugh was for a couple of years, Rob. Bob Bob Burkowski.
Bob Burkowski.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Bob Burkowski. So it doesn't matter.
It doesn't have to be a Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay or this or that. All you have to do is understand the pieces and move them appropriately.

Speaker 16 Hey, you notice what you just said? Understand the pieces that you have. Understanding your players' strengths and weaknesses.
Positive coordinators not having egos and saying, this is my scheme.

Speaker 16 This is why I'm going to run it. I'm going to put you in position.
And you have to get open based on my philosophy, my ideologies, and my scheme.

Speaker 16 The more creative, the more creative

Speaker 16 coordinators,

Speaker 16 whoever the goddamn lion score off the coordinator is, the Andy Reed, the Kyle Shannons, well, I know what he's good at. I know what he's not good at.

Speaker 16 So I'm not going to put him in that position for him to get exposed. Everybody plays receiver, but everybody can't get open the same.

Speaker 12 Some people, you got to stack them. Some people, you got to move them.
Some people, you got to put them in the slot. Some people, yeah, it is what it is.
See, our job is to be able to get away from.

Speaker 12 Go ahead. Make your point.

Speaker 16 Unless you're one of those tier one receivers,

Speaker 16 where all the, all the, what's the word I want to look?

Speaker 16 All the things that the makeup of being a great receiver, they're really good at all of them. Like

Speaker 16 Jamar Chases. I see Malik Neighbors as a tier one receiver where you don't need much creativity.
I can get what I need to get done off the muscle because I'm like that.

Speaker 16 It's only a few of them too. It ain't a handful.

Speaker 16 Oh, it's only a handful. And I'm not going to get into that because I don't want to piss nobody off.
But

Speaker 16 I watch.

Speaker 12 I think the thing is, Ocho, is that when you look at these guys, is that

Speaker 12 my job was easy playing for Mike because I know Mike's aggressive. So Mike's going to take chances.
We're unnecessarily like some coordinators are going to play it strictly by the book.

Speaker 12 Mike going for the juggler. And I know that he's going to call plays accordingly.
So now

Speaker 12 I can do things accordingly.

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Speaker 12 Like I said, quarterbacks get a lot of credit, far too much, to get far too much blame.

Speaker 12 But I saw this coming. I saw this coming when Jackson Dart played well, Ocho, and we had our final show after Jackson Dart played well.
I said over, under.

Speaker 12 I really wanted to say the first quarter, the first four games. I'm like, oh,

Speaker 12 this kid playing.

Speaker 12 This kid, unless Russ blows it out of the water,

Speaker 12 there's no way he was going to be able to hold him off.

Speaker 16 Well, hell, he blew it out. He blew it out the water in the Dallas game.
After the Dallas game, I thought, oh, yeah, he just bought himself some time.

Speaker 16 He bought himself at least three, four, five games. And then after, who was that they just played in?

Speaker 16 Oh,

Speaker 16 I mean, it's the Chiefs.

Speaker 12 It's the Chiefs. But see, people don't look at the Chiefs.
If we looked at it, if the three years ago, Chiefs, I say, okay, you got a point, Ocho.

Speaker 16 You got a point.

Speaker 16 So the struggling, the struggling Chiefs don't count.

Speaker 12 Hell no.

Speaker 12 Hell no.

Speaker 12 And I think the first game they played, the Commanders, look.

Speaker 12 Right. He bought, he basically he bought them.

Speaker 12 They was hoping. Let me tell you

Speaker 12 looking at it from from my perspective and having my years of experience they were hoping russ buy them a little bit more time ocho i agree with you i don't they didn't want him to play this soon they was hoping though that they were hoping

Speaker 12 russ could buy them some time

Speaker 12 at least half a season give us half a season yeah

Speaker 12 But at this current pace, Dayball wasn't going to have half a season.

Speaker 12 They was going to end up hiring him.

Speaker 12 He saw their rule. It was just,

Speaker 12 it wasn't going to be.

Speaker 16 This is the thing, huh? What I don't like. Russell Wilson is not in a position to where he used to be where he can elevate a team, where he's a quarterback that can elevate the team,

Speaker 16 regardless of the pieces that's around him. Now he's in a position as a quarterback.
who's somewhat still adequate, but needs to play around him to elevate his play.

Speaker 12 He needs words before Ocho,

Speaker 12 he can get away with less than ideal situations. He didn't need it.
He didn't need the Great Wall of China to be his offensive line.

Speaker 12 He didn't need two, three, four wide receivers on the tight end. He didn't need a light south,

Speaker 12 even though he had that in Seattle. Yeah.
But now he needs more. As we get older, we need more.
I mean, look at

Speaker 12 Tom, Wenton got more.

Speaker 12 Peyton, Wenton got more.

Speaker 12 Aaron Rodgers,

Speaker 12 he needed more. And that's what happens as we get older.
We need more help. So now, where we can elevate everyone else, we need someone to help elevate us.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 16 I think somewhat too, it's not, it's not fair. You look at the situations in which he went to.

Speaker 16 He went to Denver. I'm not saying Denver, there's anything wrong with Denver, but I'm just saying it wasn't to me an ideal situation for him.

Speaker 16 Similar to when Peyton Manning went to Denver, it was a different ball game. Situation different when Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay, it was a different ballgame.

Speaker 16 I think the situations that he went to weren't ideal for him to continue to have success the way we're used to seeing Russell Wilson have success.

Speaker 12 I think sometimes, though, Joe, and this is what I'm saying, sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. See, Russ didn't realize.

Speaker 16 What the hell? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you ain't just going, whoa.

Speaker 16 Whoa, hold on right now. Stay right there.

Speaker 16 Uh-uh.

Speaker 16 What are you cooking? Hold on. Hold on.

Speaker 12 I'm using that.

Speaker 12 Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. See, Russ didn't realize how great of a situation he had in Seattle.
You see, he wanted more. He wanted more control.

Speaker 12 He wanted more input. He wanted more of this and more of that.

Speaker 12 He goes somewhere and

Speaker 12 he didn't have what he had in Seattle. He didn't realize how good he actually had it in Seattle.
Sometimes we don't realize just how good we have something until it's taken away from us.

Speaker 12 And then you actually realize.

Speaker 12 See, we take for granted the ability to hear and the ability to smell and the ability to taste or have all uses of our limbs. Then when you don't have such, you realize like, damn,

Speaker 12 you don't realize

Speaker 12 how in the hell did I survive without a telephone this long?

Speaker 12 How the hell did they? Oh, I couldn't imagine not being able to watch TV.

Speaker 12 I can't imagine not being able to go to a restaurant and just order whatever I want.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 So he had that situation and he wanted more. Now he got got, he got financial security

Speaker 12 for a couple of generations.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. But at the end of the day, we haven't thought of, we haven't, Russ really haven't consistently looked like Seattle Russ since he left Seattle.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 16 we understand that we played the game, so we understand situations when you change when

Speaker 16 you leave a team like that. That's as great as they were offensively and especially defensively.

Speaker 16 you you would hope and want ideal situations similar to what you left from but most of the time it doesn't happen like most of the time it doesn't happen like that going from going for peyton manning going from indy and then going to denver the already stacked team super bowl ready team all that was missing was a quarterback

Speaker 12 the goddamn the um jameis winson tampa and tom ready coming into a team that was it's already ready to establish we just need a quarterback you you have to understand because i i was look in denver i'm very close to because all my people, a lot of my people were still there.

Speaker 12 And I would go back and I watch how Peyton ingratiated himself.

Speaker 12 He was not standoffish, took time for everybody. He was Peyton Manning.

Speaker 12 You do realize at the time that he came to Denver, Ocho,

Speaker 12 he was a four-time league MVP.

Speaker 16 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 He was already a five- or six-time first-team all-pro quarterback. No quarterback has more first-team all-pros, more MVPs than Peyton Manning.

Speaker 12 But you would know that by being around him and talking to him. And then you watch him in the meeting rooms and you watch him on the practice field.
And now you understand.

Speaker 12 He demands that you play at a level and you got to match him.

Speaker 12 You've got to, Tom Brady forces you to match that because people watch him and they see him. If he's working that hard, nothing less is accepted of me.

Speaker 16 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 Everybody, everybody is,

Speaker 12 Everybody leads differently, but everybody can't be a great leader. Either.

Speaker 12 You got corporals and you got lieutenants and you got one star and two star and three star and four star. They don't do five star generals anymore.

Speaker 12 There've only been five of those in the history of what we have of the military.

Speaker 12 Right. But,

Speaker 12 and Russ handled it like I thought he would. Yeah, he's hurt.
Man, you're taking my job and I got a stand up. Y'all do realize, I gotta throw, how many touchdowns have Russ thrown for? Damn near 400?

Speaker 12 He's got to be well over three.

Speaker 12 Came in the league in 2013. So this is his 14th season.
So he came in in 2012. He was with RG3 and Andrew Luck.

Speaker 12 So he's got 353 touchdowns.

Speaker 12 How many guys you know got 353 touchdowns stand on the sideline and hold a clipboard with the ear headset in the ear?

Speaker 12 Those guys start until they don't want to start until it's time for them to lead the league.

Speaker 12 look at the guy look at the guys that have thrown for

Speaker 12 300 plus touchdowns none of them never been never got demoted like that

Speaker 12 you look at matt ryan you look at ben rothenberg you look at phillip rivers john elway dan marino peyton manning tom brady drew brees that's eight i could talk think of off the top of my head uh johnny uninas

Speaker 12 now obviously johnny ended up going you know he didn't do very well when he got when he left indie and ended up going to the chargers But

Speaker 12 it hurts. And you got to put on a brave face.
You do. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because a lot of times people want to see you crack.

Speaker 12 And Russ

Speaker 12 and Russ is not wired like that. Russ is going to remain positive.
And

Speaker 12 I'm very happy with the way he's handled this whole situation. Because deep down inside, he knew, Ocho.

Speaker 12 You go to a place and they draft a quarterback.

Speaker 16 You already know what time it it is. The classic waiting.

Speaker 12 When Tom went to Tampa, did they take a quarterback in the first round?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 12 And so they were just like, hey,

Speaker 12 tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. And you got to fight because you know they want to play him.

Speaker 12 That's not, he's not a decoration. That's not something that you just prop up.
No, they wanted to play him.

Speaker 12 It's not like a situation like Alex Smith had. They drafted Patrick Mahomes.
He knew Patrick Mahomes. He said, I got one year.

Speaker 12 There's nothing I can do to keep them from playing Patrick Mahomes next year. My job is to try to keep them from playing his ass this year.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. And they went 11-5.

Speaker 12 Boom.

Speaker 12 They lost to the Titans. They had an 18-3 lead.
They ended up losing.

Speaker 12 But we'll see what Jackson Dart got going up against the Chargers, who's played as well as anybody in the NFL.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 3-0.

Speaker 12 Go ahead. Go ahead, Dutch.

Speaker 16 I'm still stuck. I know we talk about Jackson Dart.
We talked about Russell Wilson, the Giants, and all that, but I'm still stuck on that goddamn quote you led with.

Speaker 16 Now, that's one I haven't heard before. I didn't heard my grandma, my grandfather say all type of stuff, but I'm using that.
The devil, you know, is sometimes better when you don't.

Speaker 16 Who were you cooking for?

Speaker 12 I can't wait to add this to my pamphlet. God damn, that was the good.
So, I mean, boy, it's not an easy road that the Giants have to go. And I don't know if you were with us Sunday.

Speaker 12 We went over their schedule. So Sunday, they played the Giants, excuse me, the Chargers.
And then they're on the road October 5th at New Orleans.

Speaker 12 They're home on a short week, Thursday, against the Eagles. Then they go at Denver, at Philly, home to the Niners, at Chicago, home to the Packers, at Detroit, at New England, bye week.

Speaker 16 Hey, but that's tough. Yeah.

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Speaker 12 Oh, Joe, Michael Parsons doesn't expect any booze when he returns to Dallas on Sunday. I think they're going to give me a good round of applause.
There's no hard feelings there.

Speaker 12 At least from me, it's going to be a great atmosphere. When asked about his feelings towards Jerry Jones, not a welcome back tribute.

Speaker 12 There are a lot of things I consider disrespectful throughout the process, but I wouldn't say the tribute. It's one of them.

Speaker 12 I would say, I just think there's hard feelings maybe there for them, but for me, I'm happy where I'm at. And we got a good football team.
So I guess I can receive my tribute when I win.

Speaker 12 OJo, we both returned, played against our former team. We invested so much into.
Obviously, you tell me all the time I was just there for like a weekend at Baltimore. But that's it.
Did you go back?

Speaker 12 Did you play in Since did you play Cincinnati?

Speaker 16 No. No, I didn't.
I didn't. Because you have to think, once I left Cincinnati, I only had that one year after that.

Speaker 12 Right, right, right.

Speaker 16 Yeah, now

Speaker 16 I was done. I was done.

Speaker 12 Well, they gave me love. I mean, when I went back to Denver, I went back to Denver the second year because first year, Ocho, we beat them in the first round of the playoffs.
in the wild card game.

Speaker 12 So we beat them. And then the following year, we went back.
Crowd cheered. Every time I caught the ball, they introduced the offense, crowd cheered.

Speaker 12 I go back, then I go back to Denver, and we go to Baltimore.

Speaker 12 Gave me love both times. So, yes, sir.
Uh, I think the thing is, is that for me, um,

Speaker 12 there was really no hostility one way or another. There's really no protracted contracts and going back and forth, asking for a trade, X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 12 But I told you when he laid on that table, I said, oh, you're that ain't a good look, though.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 I told you.

Speaker 16 the funny thing about especially when it comes to the dallas cowboys cowboys fan base there's no hostility towards michael parson because you know everything was out of his control everything out of control so everything that was said and in in in in somewhat of a almost an unfair way that you don't think an owner would say he can maybe think it but actually jerry jones one of the one of the few owners who gets away with saying the things that other owners think and he said it out loud he didn't care so if anything when he does come back to goddamn Dallas, there's no reason for the fans to boo him.

Speaker 16 And all, if anybody should be booed, it's you know who.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 for me, I was, look,

Speaker 12 I was in Denver for 10 years the first time, Ojo, and come back. Right.
And, you know, we had won,

Speaker 12 you know,

Speaker 12 back-to-back Super Bowls. I was a, you know, went to seven consecutive Pro Bowls.

Speaker 12 all-pro and all that stuff and went to one Pro Bowl in Baltimore. But I think the thing is, is that the fans really appreciated how hard I worked.
I didn't complain.

Speaker 12 I just came to work, showed up, did my job, and I left.

Speaker 12 I had only had got along great with my teammates.

Speaker 12 And I think Michael got along. Look, I don't know the inner and out, so I don't know.

Speaker 12 But I just think the thing is the last,

Speaker 12 like the last four, two or three months or so, with this contract talk. And you know, look, at the end of the day, those fans, they're Cowboys fans.

Speaker 12 Now, you might find a sprinkle here or there of Michael Parsons fans, but those are Cowboys fans. And more times than not, you know how fans are.
Fans are going to size up the team.

Speaker 12 That's just the way it is.

Speaker 16 But listen, you also have some that have common sense and understand how things are working. Some understand the business, some don't.
Some only worried about who is a part of my Dallas Cowboy team.

Speaker 16 That's all they care about. But then some understand the business and understand how it works and able to separate the two.
Being a fan.

Speaker 16 and understanding how the team, how the team works, especially when it comes down to contracts. Sometimes they should be used to it anyway.

Speaker 16 Usual anyway when it comes to their star players, because they've had to deal with it for so many years.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think it's just funny going back

Speaker 12 standing on the opposite side, staring across over there. For so, for 10 years, Ocho, I stood on this side looking across the field.
Now I'm over, I'm across the field, staring back across the field.

Speaker 12 And the same thing when I went to Baltimore, it's different. You go in a different way.
You know, all of a sudden, now I'm taking a bus to the stadium. I'm used to driving myself to the stadium.

Speaker 12 So it's,

Speaker 12 it's,

Speaker 12 it's going to be different. It's going to be different.

Speaker 12 And it's so new. I mean, you're like only four years in Dallas.
I mean, most people, when you leave and go back and play another team, it's years and years.

Speaker 12 You know, Peyton played, but Tom played New England. Think about how long Tom Tom had played 20 seasons in New England.
He goes back, you know,

Speaker 12 first year

Speaker 12 and he plays. So we get that, but it's like, man, four years, that's really, damn, that's quick.
But you don't, sometimes, Ocho, you don't get the, that's out of your control.

Speaker 12 We don't always get the control. And look, as an athlete, we try to control what we can control.
Because,

Speaker 12 and that's what we're good at, Ocho. Because, look, I knew if I worked my tail off, okay, good things are going to happen because I can control that.
I can control how hard I work.

Speaker 12 When it comes to things like what happened with Micah, that was out of his control.

Speaker 16 Yep, absolutely. And matter of fact, when it comes to things that we can control, the one thing that we can control, we can control our production

Speaker 16 and what we do and the work we put in. Most of the time, if you put the work in, the results are going to show up on Sundays.

Speaker 16 Two things we can't control is we can't control injuries and you can't control getting older.

Speaker 16 That's it.

Speaker 16 You want to do as much as you can in between that time and trying to ensure you don't get hurt. But once you hit like 30 and 31,

Speaker 16 the game starts to play.

Speaker 16 The game, listen, once you hit 30 and 31, 32, 33, they start playing the games. Oh, well, your targets start decreasing, and they start, you know, we need to talk to you about your production.

Speaker 16 And, man, come on.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 12 I mean, tributes, normally, man, that's for like the best of the best. I mean, you won championships.
You're the MVP. You know what I'm saying? Like that.
You're a defensive player of the year.

Speaker 12 You spent some time. I mean, after four years, and look, and this is not a knock on Michael.
Michael's a phenomenal player.

Speaker 12 But, you know, when Emmett came back, Emmett came back, he was the all-time lead rusher. You know what I'm saying? Emmett was an MVP.
Emmett was won three Super Bowls. Tom going back to New England.

Speaker 12 Peyton going back to Indy.

Speaker 12 It's levels.

Speaker 12 to

Speaker 12 a video tribute. Everybody's not going to get a video tribute.
Even if you play 10 years, 15 years of a place, every, I mean,

Speaker 12 it all depends on who you were and what you did. If you're a 15-year special teams player, you're probably not.
Now, maybe if you're Matthew Slater,

Speaker 12 you'll probably get one.

Speaker 12 If you're Adam Vinettieri, Vinnettieri, you'll probably get one.

Speaker 12 But look, if I'm Mike, I ain't worried about that. Like Michael said, look, we win the game.
That's my tribute. And I'm coming.
You know he's coming, Ocho. You know.
Yeah, he coming.

Speaker 12 He's been working on a move. He like, because

Speaker 12 when we're there, Ocho, you know what you did, Ocho. Let me tell you what you did.
When you was going against your guys in practice, you know, if this was a real game, what would happen?

Speaker 12 Because I'm saying, bro, you do realize this practice, but if I actually played you in a real

Speaker 12 situation.

Speaker 16 Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 12 Bro, I'm cooking, y'all.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 For real. Yeah.
And listen,

Speaker 16 you know, you know,

Speaker 16 one thing about it, especially in practice, that them boys made me better, huh? I remember all my DB's name by hard. Remember Jeff Burrs? Yeah, I do, yeah.

Speaker 12 I bet you went to know the name from know the name, right?

Speaker 16 Yeah. Jeff Burrs,

Speaker 16 Leon Hall, Tori Jane.

Speaker 12 Tory played with me, Torrey Jane from LSU. He played with me and Deborah.

Speaker 16 Yeah, man, listen.

Speaker 12 JJ.

Speaker 16 Jonathan Joseph.

Speaker 16 It's some more Pac-Man. Hey, Unc.
But in practice, oh man, I'm talking about, listen, I got mine. They got me some time too, but I know who got, I know who won most of the matchups.

Speaker 16 Hey, boy, with Pac-Man, Unk, me and Pac-Man in practice, oh my God.

Speaker 12 But it was, it was, look, I wanted to.

Speaker 16 You talk about work?

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 we was out there working.

Speaker 12 And I want feedback.

Speaker 16 I'm out there working like I'm a seven-round pick, uncle. Man, Marvin and Hugh had, they had to throw me out of practice.
Why in the hell is you taking the scout team reps, man?

Speaker 16 Get out the people's way.

Speaker 16 Because I knew I wanted to go against my number ones. I'm not going to get no real work unless I'm going against my number ones.

Speaker 16 They had,

Speaker 16 let me tell you how bad it was.

Speaker 16 I know I'd be playing around a lot, but when it came time to play football, I might have been fun and talking trash and doing all that entertainment.

Speaker 16 But when it came to that game and being a student of the game,

Speaker 16 I told you, but hey, over preseason, they talk about how many snaps we're going to play. Shit, you're going to call a timeout to get me out of the game.

Speaker 16 But

Speaker 16 that was so much fun fun to me man just looking at marvin face when all the ones came out all the ones that come out and i stand on the field acting like there's something wrong with me until the second team come in and force marvin to call the timeout man listen i'm here to play football man i ain't worried about no injuries you ain't i'm don't don't try to protect me from getting hurt precisely i'm here to i play football i didn't went i went through two tricks two weeks of training camp two of these And now you're telling me I only get to play one series, one drive?

Speaker 12 No, sir. That's in a situation like that, Micah is going to look, Micah is going to say, this is why I was worth $47 million.

Speaker 12 This game, this is why the Packers gave up two first rounders and Kenny Clark and gave me $47 million.

Speaker 12 This is why.

Speaker 12 Yeah. You see what I did today?

Speaker 16 This is why.

Speaker 16 Make it a statement.

Speaker 12 Absolutely.

Speaker 16 Matter of fact.

Speaker 16 And speaking of $47 million, he gonna show that all season long, especially as they continue to work him in and allow him to get more reps, allow him to get his legs up under him.

Speaker 16 You know, once he gets in football shape, because he missed so much time, you know, missing training camp. Yo, here, we only in, we, we only, what, in week four? Week four.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Week four. And, you know, hey, it's going to take him a while.
I mean, he a couple of weeks from being in tip-top football shape. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 Right now, that, you know, he's a specialist right now, but hey. Him and Rashawn Gary, pretty soon, because Rashawn Gary is tied for the lead league and sack.

Speaker 12 Pretty soon they're going to start tied up.

Speaker 16 He got four and a half, huh?

Speaker 16 Rashawn got four and a half, huh?

Speaker 16 You see what happened when he came on nightcap? See what I'm seeing. I'm saying

Speaker 16 that ain't nothing but God. That ain't number God's work.

Speaker 16 Everybody come on nightcap, have success. What Melissa, what Melissa Jefferson left within Tokyo to what

Speaker 16 three? Oh, three of them. Oh, the four out one.

Speaker 16 Three goals.

Speaker 16 Everybody come on nightcap having success. Okay, that's it ain't a coin.
Hey, it ain't a coincidence.

Speaker 12 It is not,

Speaker 12 bro. You need to be in bed.
You should be in bed.

Speaker 12 You should be in the bed.

Speaker 16 Hey, Titus.

Speaker 12 Titus.

Speaker 12 Titus. It's just gonna make me pay for it.
Hey,

Speaker 16 hey, let me let me get let me get titus for a week.

Speaker 12 No,

Speaker 12 no,

Speaker 12 no, you don't know how to first of all. You don't know how to handle him.
You ain't been around, dog. You don't know how to handle him.

Speaker 16 Come on, I done had dog popped up.

Speaker 12 Now I'm I'm dog.

Speaker 12 Oh, he's different.

Speaker 16 Nah, he's good. He's good.
I'm a.

Speaker 16 I'm a dog.

Speaker 16 I'm a dog. Not that kind of dog.
I'm saying I'm like, I'm a dog. I become one with the animal.

Speaker 16 They used to call me the dog whisperer back in back in 92.

Speaker 12 Nah, Ocho, you uh,

Speaker 16 I just want to take him to the dog party.

Speaker 12 Oh, Joe, he intact.

Speaker 16 He, I know, he attacked.

Speaker 12 He's the tech man.

Speaker 12 Yes,

Speaker 12 so you're you're not supposed to have

Speaker 12 them. You can't have them there.

Speaker 16 Oh, you oh, he's spaded

Speaker 12 neutered. Okay, spades, what female?

Speaker 16 Hey, I'm gonna get a

Speaker 12 homie some action. Hell no, boy, people sue you.

Speaker 16 No, no, no. I mean, I got it's a lady I know.
She got a poodle. That's a heat.

Speaker 12 You'll be in no border with no.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Tell him, say, nah. Say, we good.
We better stay here with dad.

Speaker 12 The Falcons fire wide receiver coach Ike Hilliard. One day, after being routed by the NFC rivals, Carolina Panthers, offensive

Speaker 12 game coordinator TJ Yates will assume.

Speaker 12 T.J. Yates, that's the quarterback.
The way he a quarterback for the Texans?

Speaker 12 Will assume Hilliard's duties.

Speaker 12 Per the team. Offensive coordinator Zach Robinson will call plays from the sideline moving forward.
Robinson called plays from the coaches booth since he joined the team in 2024.

Speaker 16 Hey, I'm confused.

Speaker 16 Is that supposed to be a distraction of some sort?

Speaker 16 What's the point of firing the receiver coach?

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 12 The quarterback played terrible.

Speaker 16 Yeah, some some, I mean, that that doesn't make no any sense to me, especially this early in the year.

Speaker 12 Yeats, I think that name sounds for me. Yeah,

Speaker 16 I don't get that. I don't know.
Maybe that was something

Speaker 16 internally that was going on, but the final.

Speaker 12 But I don't know. If you're shaking things up, I don't understand how to put so what guys running the wrong routes.
I mean, what was going on? They got into an argument.

Speaker 12 The coordinator and the position coach or the head coach and the position coach got into it.

Speaker 12 I agree with you, Ocho. This don't seem right.

Speaker 16 It might have been something like that.

Speaker 16 It might have been something like that.

Speaker 16 It had to be some issues going on where somebody might have been arguing or other thing. Because, I mean, find anybody

Speaker 16 a week three?

Speaker 16 Come on, man.

Speaker 12 Come on, man.

Speaker 12 The Panthers blew out the Falcons 30 to nothing. Michael Pennix Jr.
had his worst game of his career, young career, throwing two interceptions.

Speaker 12 He hasn't thrown a touchdown to a receiver or a tight end this season. In fact, He has only one touchdown passed this season.
That's to Bijan Robinson. Oh, Joe, I mean, look,

Speaker 12 we've all had receiver coaches i'm just trying to figure out how much can a

Speaker 12 a receiver coach be responsible for the offense he's not he's not he's not responsible for that

Speaker 16 absolutely not he has one job to do that's the coach receivers make sure

Speaker 16 make sure you get from point a to point b as fast as you can and catch the goddamn ball that's it That's all he can do. And make sure you're well prepared knowing the game plan and what you got to do.

Speaker 16 yeah i'm shocked that's why that's why i know it had to be something else something must have went on that sideline that or maybe behind closed doors where it didn't sit well and they let brother but brother here you go

Speaker 16 the the great i just mentioned ike the other night too when we talked about the gator gators yeah i'm gonna tell you this

Speaker 12 There's gonna be a lot of other people fired if that quarterback don't start playing better.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah

Speaker 12 Ike here, you might have been the first to go, but let that quarterback

Speaker 12 play better.

Speaker 12 Quarterback coach.

Speaker 12 The offensive coordinator. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Matter of fact,

Speaker 12 Mr. Blank going.

Speaker 16 Now you got me curious. I want to know why he was fired.
I'm going to be nosy.

Speaker 16 I'm going to be nosy.

Speaker 12 Because we thought the Falcons were going to be good.

Speaker 12 I'm not saying

Speaker 12 not for a second, OJo. I thought they were going to the Super Bowl, but I thought they would be better than what they were last year.
You look at the weapons that they got.

Speaker 12 They got Mooney and they got Drake London, Drake London, Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Kyle Pitts,

Speaker 12 Ray Brand McCloud, Raymond McCloud, and they got Bijan Robinson. They got Algier.

Speaker 12 They got a nice little squad offensively.

Speaker 16 Good weapons.

Speaker 12 With those weaponry, you can't get shut out with those weaponry. Nah.
But if your quarterback played like some stir-fry,

Speaker 12 you can. Yeah.
He He played bad.

Speaker 12 Late with the, bro, you know you can't, bro. How you going to stay? How are you going to be on this side looking at this half of the field? Right.

Speaker 12 Then all of a sudden come back and throw to the flat blind.

Speaker 16 Nah, you can't do that. That's going the other way.
That's going the way. That's going the other way every time.
If anything, if anything,

Speaker 16 you read one and two. If one and two ain't that, then you go to the flat right away.
Because if you take any more time than that, the corner, they was in two. The corner, he dragged.

Speaker 12 He ain't going nowhere anyway. No.

Speaker 12 He ain't got nothing to threaten him deep. So why would he go deep?

Speaker 16 Exactly. Exactly.
It sure wouldn't.

Speaker 12 So,

Speaker 12 yeah,

Speaker 12 I don't get this one.

Speaker 12 This move befuddles me. Yeah.
Because I've never heard, like I said,

Speaker 12 maybe something happened. We don't know all the intricacies of what transpired.

Speaker 12 Something had to have happened. Ain't no way you believe that you got shut out 30 to nothing, and that responsibility falls on the receiver's coach.

Speaker 12 The receiver's coach,

Speaker 16 hey, Ike might have cut Ike might have cussed somebody out now. He might have cussed out the officers coordinator.

Speaker 12 Okay, now maybe, maybe, maybe that makes sense.

Speaker 12 Probably taking up the power. Even if he did curse him out, after two weeks, I mean, after three weeks, I mean, this is where we are right now.

Speaker 16 Yeah, something

Speaker 12 now. You said we're in a panic mode.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You set us up for panic when we shouldn't be panicked. You should be calm.

Speaker 16 Yeah, you're right. Shoot, I'm nosy.
I just text Ray Ray. She was like,

Speaker 16 what happened, boy?

Speaker 12 I'm nosy.

Speaker 12 Yeah, this is a...

Speaker 12 This is a...

Speaker 12 I'm surprised by this.

Speaker 12 I didn't think Atlanta was a Super Bowl contending team, but I did think they would be much better than

Speaker 12 what they showed last year.

Speaker 12 And it's not a good look ocho with the guy that you know your starter

Speaker 12 you three in week three you already had to put him on the you had to say nah some we've seen enough yeah that's not good nah

Speaker 16 and you let you let him go out on the sword too um

Speaker 16 yeah for sure let you let him go out on the sword especially once you've already made that move that you are a quarterback of the future there's no reason that kirk cousins should be going in that game no none at all unless not kirk could not cousins believe that he got a chance to get back in there

Speaker 16 basically and he's a good and and kurt is a good sport for actually going in the game

Speaker 12 he is i mean what i mean hey first cousins ain't trying to give him no money back why am i gonna get you know conduct detrimental by not going back into the game and they get takes up my money i'm gonna get all this money you know how much cousins has made oh yeah about 300 ain't getting y'all none of that back 330 and some change

Speaker 12 Yeah, I ain't giving y'all none of that back. I'm going to get all that.
As a matter of fact, y'all still owe me about 10-12 next year.

Speaker 12 Going to get that too.

Speaker 12 Might get some more.

Speaker 12 Yeah, this makes no sense, Socho.

Speaker 12 Look, like I said, we didn't think the Falcons were going to be world beater, but we saw some of the promise that they showed last year at the end of the season when Pennex came in.

Speaker 12 Guys were getting the ball and so much, you know,

Speaker 12 talking to Kyle. He seemed very excited.
Excited, yeah. As a matter of fact, when we had the tour,

Speaker 12 well, that was last year when Raheem we talked to Raheem.

Speaker 12 But we still thought that they were going to be good. We thought they were going to be really good this year because, you know, Pennix was talking about, you know, hey, he's looking for Kyle.

Speaker 12 And, you know, we got Drake London, we got Mooney, and we got Ray Ray. And we got, you know, we got some weapons.
We got Bijan, who's a dual threat. He can catch it.
We can run it.

Speaker 12 X, Y, Z Algier, a good power back.

Speaker 12 This move makes no sense to me.

Speaker 12 At all.

Speaker 12 Connor's running back, James Connor, will undergo surgery on his foot and will miss the rest of the 2025 season. How big of a loss is this, Ocho?

Speaker 16 Man, it's a big loss. It's a big loss.
Marvin Harrison Jr. didn't have a very, very good game.

Speaker 12 He got to have a problem with the drops. You got the gifts right now, Ocho.

Speaker 16 Now

Speaker 16 you got Connor out.

Speaker 16 he's gone he he's your bail cow now that put more pressure on kyler murray more pressure on kyler murray knowing marvin's knowing marvin harrison jr he gonna bounce back he gonna bounce back all it all it is uncanny you have games like this hell i've had okay i haven't had a game like this but i've had games where i've dropped the ball before and all it is going back to practice looking the ball in, starting over like you're a little kid, looking the ball in every time, find the laces, catch the laces don't take your ass off the ball make sure you got it secured and and then and then just go yeah and get yourself you think you're trying to do too much ojo yeah that's it taking his eyes taking his eyes off the ball that's that's all it was and it's easy too um

Speaker 16 the most difficult passes to catch are the ones that's wide open

Speaker 16 where you wide when you wide open man you take your ass off the ball trying to make a play before you secure it that's all he either he wide open and he know the guy gonna be coming at a rate of a high rate of speed so he's like man i make make one move and

Speaker 12 you made the move and the ball's on the ground. So it don't matter if you made a miss.

Speaker 16 Right.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, James Conner, he's their bell cop.
I think he went to the Pro Bowl last year, runs hard, can catch the ball out of the backfield, but he's really their bell cop running back.

Speaker 12 I don't know who his backup is, but it just puts more emphasis on,

Speaker 12 as you mentioned, on Kyler and that passing game. Right.

Speaker 12 tough. I mean, you hate to see a guy, you know,

Speaker 12 because, you know, we've been there. We know what we put in to make sure we try to stay as healthy as we possibly can once the season starts.

Speaker 12 And here we are, you know, three weeks into the season and we're done for the year.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Now that's crazy.

Speaker 12 Done for the year.

Speaker 12 Man, that's

Speaker 12 that's only that's happened. I mean, I broke my collarbone in week four and I was done for the year and I was miserable.

Speaker 16 Damn. Huh?

Speaker 16 But you done broke, boy, you done broke everything.

Speaker 12 Fractured my eye socket and missed the last three games of the season. Dislocated my elbow, missed four games of the season.

Speaker 12 Sprained a knee ligament.

Speaker 16 Hey, listen, if I played with you, wouldn't none of that happen?

Speaker 16 If we was on the same team, you wouldn't have had no injuries. Your shoulders would have been straight.

Speaker 16 Your knees, your ankles, all that, the ankles you had to keep getting them ankles shot up, wouldn't have been no problem. I would have been no problem.
You would have been scraped.

Speaker 12 Man, my shoulders, man, I just

Speaker 12 caught a pass and rested so Dave Dewart so that I caught it, separated my shoulder when I fell on this one, and then he fell on top of this one and separated the other one.

Speaker 12 Listen, I would have popped up both of them.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I would have popped them, boy, right back in place for you on the sideline.

Speaker 16 Take this, pop the back, I would have taken this torrent off, put this harness on, and you're good to go.

Speaker 12 No, I ain't wearing no harness, but uh, I just uh

Speaker 12 that was like the last like last preseason game yeah and then i missed practice

Speaker 12 shot the shoulders up that sunday yeah

Speaker 12 played as long as i could and that made uh uh i'm trying to trying to think i cracked back on somebody at oh no no i forgot you took ronnie ladder yep

Speaker 12 that thing went numb it was a wrap That thing was hanging out the bone.

Speaker 16 And you hit that helmet like this?

Speaker 12 Oh, I couldn't do that. I couldn't even do that.

Speaker 16 Hey, I was like, oh, come, come get me.

Speaker 12 Come get me.

Speaker 12 I said, what's Greek? Steve Antonopus was our trainer.

Speaker 12 What is it, Sharpie? I said, Greek, I'm done.

Speaker 12 He said, can you rate?

Speaker 12 He's like, Sharpie, can you rate? No.

Speaker 12 I'm going to tell you before you even ask, the answer is no.

Speaker 16 Right.

Speaker 12 Can you squeeze my hand? No. Can you rate? No.

Speaker 12 so ocho i'm just going ahead and greek i'm gonna prepare you for everything that you're gonna ask me i can't is already no i can't do it yeah can you can you push my hands out oh you're you know pushing my hands out like this can you push your hands in i can't do none of that yeah

Speaker 12 so i just uh

Speaker 12 Yeah, and I just, I just feel bad because, man, you put so much, you put so much time in that. Yo,

Speaker 12 then I'm, yeah, I

Speaker 12 fractured my orbital bone, old show. And so they, they, they, uh,

Speaker 12 for a week, they had my eyelid, had my eyes closed, sold my eyelids shut,

Speaker 12 had to sit up. Ah, man, it was, ooh.

Speaker 16 Damn.

Speaker 12 And you're going to talk about I need to be, man, please.

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Speaker 12 No, you talk about, man,

Speaker 12 you got to live. You got to do some adventure.
Man, I ain't trying to have nothing else broke at my age. You do.

Speaker 16 The stuff we're going to do, the stuff that we're going to do that's adventurous is not stuff that can cause you to re-injure anything that's that that's happened to you.

Speaker 16 I'm gonna be doing all this dangerous stuff, you're just gonna be there for moral moral support. Okay,

Speaker 16 that's all.

Speaker 12 Can I, uh,

Speaker 12 can I, could I, can I like

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Speaker 16 Nah, nah, how the nah, man.

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Speaker 16 like Tom and Jerry, man. You got, you got to be out in the field with me.

Speaker 12 Okay.

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Speaker 16 Nah, nah, Jordan, Jordan, the cameraman.

Speaker 12 I know. That's why I'm going to say Jordan.
And

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Like, yeah,

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Keep it on me.

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I'm telling you,

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Speaker 12 Oh, Joe.

Speaker 12 When do we have time to do that?

Speaker 16 in the offseason

Speaker 12 okay

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Speaker 16 go shark diving

Speaker 12 A few days after Coach Prime said the Jags aren't using Travis Hunter enough, Liam Cole said Travis Hunter role on offense won't expand. Take a listen to what he had to say, Ocho.

Speaker 26 But yeah, he's one right now, one position on offense and one position on defense. So

Speaker 26 that doesn't really fully change. It's just more the next guy having to go and adjust to go play some Z, which is what happened in the game.
So no, I don't think it changes much.

Speaker 26 So after the season where he'll be, he'll spread his wing a little bit on offensive and offensive. Yeah, I don't think it's fair right now to say, hey, dude, go learn Z and X and 12 and this and that.

Speaker 26 It's like, man, we got to make sure he can really go and execute what we're asking him to do first and foremost, which is play F and play corner.

Speaker 26 So I think as we go and as he goes, I got to believe that it'll continue to do this. So

Speaker 26 that's why you see more Parker when the AMI goes down. So more opportunities for Parker.
I know he was very transparent with us about the two drops. You said he had great practice last week.

Speaker 26 Expectations for his usage this year. Yeah, I think, you know, I have not lost any confidence in Parker by any means.

Speaker 26 You know, stuff happens. It's not obviously something that we're excited about in the moment, but

Speaker 26 he takes a lot of responsibility and accountability. He works his tail off every single day.

Speaker 26 Like I said, he literally had his best week of practice last week as a JAG since we've been here. So, you know, there's a lot of confidence.

Speaker 26 Really, the message to him is, dude, we got to just move forward, man.

Speaker 12 I agree. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Me, I always thought, Ocho, he would be better served playing defense and then have packages for him on offense.

Speaker 12 I mean, but everybody, everybody want the man to just, hey, we're gonna just throw him in there and let him play. Bro, this ain't college.
I don't care what anybody says.

Speaker 12 I don't care how many snaps he played and how great he was.

Speaker 12 This is the best of the best. There's a reason why they stopped doing that in the 60s.

Speaker 12 There's a reason.

Speaker 12 So to ask this man, and see, I'm not concerned. Ocho, there have been a lot of guys that could play both ways, but can you play them at an elite level?

Speaker 12 Because that's what it comes down to.

Speaker 12 You see Troy Brown played offense and defense. You saw Julian Ellman play it

Speaker 12 in spurts. But can you play it at the level? Can you hold your own against Jamar Chase? And then can you go beat Pat Sertan on a consistent basis? Can you beat Stingley on a consistent basis?

Speaker 12 Can you beat Sauce Gardner on a consistent basis? Okay, can you D up Jeddah? Can you D up neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr., Chase? Can you do that? So this notion about, oh, he can do that, he can do that.

Speaker 12 I want to see him do it at an elite level on both sides of the ball. And the coach is saying, there'll be a time for that.
Let the guy get used to the system.

Speaker 16 He's not there yet. Obviously, this is

Speaker 12 a good thing. But everybody's talking about if they misuse him.
If they're not misusing him.

Speaker 16 I think they're just bringing him along slowly, not just throwing him, not throwing him out there to the fire, throwing him out there to the wolves, allowing him to get acclimated, learn everything so you don't have to think because you play your best.

Speaker 16 When When he was at Colorado, he already knew what to do. That's why he was playing his best.
Yes, I don't have to think. I can just go play and react.

Speaker 16 So once he gets to that point over there in Jacksonville, then they'll add a little bit more on his plate. Okay, we go.
We know he got this. Okay, he got F.
Okay, now we can teach him Z.

Speaker 16 Add a little bit more on his plate. Okay, boom.

Speaker 12 Oh, he got Z. Now we can add X.

Speaker 16 Then defensively, okay, he's a little bit more. He's a little comfortable now.
Boom, maybe we can put him on first and second downs instead of waiting until third. It's just a little little step.

Speaker 16 Just bringing him along slow. So I think it's kind of smart of them the way they're using them right now.

Speaker 16 I think there'll be certain situations, certain circumstances where they will need that advantage, that mismatch that he does create on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 12 I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, look, you know, when you was a kid and you're like, give me someone know, eat what's on your plate. Let him eat what is on his plate.
Let him get this position.

Speaker 12 Let him master that.

Speaker 12 And then as he starts to master master that i don't care what anybody says pro offenses are more complicated than college offenses pro defenses are more complicated than college defenses that's just the way it is and the athletes are better just better

Speaker 12 i don't care look and the se we believe the sec and the big 10 is as close to nfl as we get guess what there are a lot of guys in the sec and the big 10 that don't make it in the nfl All those guys that come out there on Sunday, they made it.

Speaker 12 And there are a lot of guys that

Speaker 12 played in the conferences that didn't make it. So you're talking about the best of the best.
And that's the thing. Ocho, it's not enough for him to just say, I play both sides of the football.

Speaker 12 People want to see he won the Heisman Trophy because he was elite on both sides of the ball. If he is not elite on both sides of the ball, Ocho, what are we doing? Let's be all the way real, chat.

Speaker 12 What are we doing?

Speaker 12 The thing about an SUV, Ocho, that's what made the SUV so popular. Ocho, I can hire my kids in it

Speaker 12 and I can pull up to a, I can go, hey, I can be in the carpool line or I can go to, I can go to a black tie dinner.

Speaker 12 I can do both.

Speaker 12 I can drive in the summertime. A, I can be at Miami and drive my SUV, but guess what? I can go to Minnesota and also do it.

Speaker 12 So if I, if it, if it doesn't give me that kind of value, what are we doing, Ocho?

Speaker 16 You're right. But another thing, too, also,

Speaker 16 you took him so high, right?

Speaker 12 You traded, Ocho, you traded up to get it. Right.

Speaker 16 So we're going into week four.

Speaker 16 Now, I understand it's a long season.

Speaker 16 But what you add onto that plate,

Speaker 16 we need to keep on adding

Speaker 16 and see

Speaker 16 that a little bit more week to week.

Speaker 12 And I think that's what they're going to do, Ocho. I mean,

Speaker 12 I think he played, this was the first time that he played more defense than he played offense. But I think he was still around 60 plays.

Speaker 12 They just, we just haven't seen him get in the end zone. We haven't seen him get any interceptions, which we routinely saw at Colorado.
Man,

Speaker 12 this is the NFL. Y'all would realize this is the best of the best.

Speaker 12 This is the top 0, 0000.1%. That's what that is.

Speaker 12 Bro,

Speaker 12 I don't think people get it.

Speaker 12 I don't. I think the thing is that people just, people actually thought, Ocho, he was going to just walk in there and do what in the NFL, what he did at Colorado.

Speaker 12 And then if you say, Ocho, like, man, Ocho said, I got 11 years of this thing, man. That thing ain't that easy.
I got

Speaker 12 14. I said, man, it's not that easy.
Oh, y'all hating. No, we're just telling you what it's going to take to play at that level.

Speaker 12 Time didn't even play both ways. And time was as talented as anybody that's ever stepped foot in the NFA.

Speaker 16 Greatest of all time.

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 12 they had a package. Time was a did what he did defensively.
And then he would come in with a package. Now, he played a little bit more when I think Michael got hurt one year

Speaker 12 or the number two receiver got hurt. And so he played more.

Speaker 16 Same thing with champ, same thing with champ at Washington. Yes, same way, yep.

Speaker 12 But for me personally, I don't think they're misusing Trav. I think they're building him up slowly and slowly and putting more and more on his plate.
And the more he can eat, the more he can digest.

Speaker 12 And we'll just keep going like going like that until we build it out. We don't need, hey, this thing don't, we don't need to build this overnight.
We don't need to try to have him learn X, Y, X,

Speaker 12 Z,

Speaker 12 F. We don't need him to do all that.
Hey, you got the slot.

Speaker 12 Oh, you playing, oh, you, you playing, you playing outside, you playing inside, you playing dime. We don't need to do all that, oh Joe.

Speaker 12 There'll be a time that it'll be second nature, but I'm sure there's a lot going on in this place, but it's ocho, it's hard because to get good at something, you do it all the time over and over.

Speaker 12 It's repetition, yeah,

Speaker 12 it's it's it's repetition in the funny thing. So he go from he go go from a standing split to now he's in a back pedal.

Speaker 16 And the funny thing, he won't be the Travis Hunter we're used to seeing that we saw in Colorado. He won't be that into the NFL until he knows everything.

Speaker 16 He's still thinking.

Speaker 16 He's still thinking. I know it's football at the end of the day, but he's still thinking.
It's your rookie year. You're going into week four.
You're still thinking.

Speaker 16 So they're putting you in advantageous positions where you don't have to think. You just got to play.

Speaker 16 That's why your plate is so small right now. So all you have to do is just play and let your God-given ability and what you've learned so far take over.

Speaker 12 Yes. I mean,

Speaker 12 give him a year or two. Let's see where he's at halfway through the season.
Let's see where he's at at the end of the season. Let's see where he's at in year two, year three.

Speaker 16 And it's so funny.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 in order for this to make sense, He's going to have to be lead on both levels because you took him so high. You took him with the number two pick in the draft.

Speaker 12 Number two pick in the draft is supposed to be franchise altering.

Speaker 16 Yeah, and they can't.

Speaker 12 No matter what position, no matter what position it is, he's supposed to be franchise altering.

Speaker 16 You can't use him in that position yet.

Speaker 16 Because

Speaker 16 franchise altering is usually held for the quarterback position outside of elite skilled players. Most of the time, it's a receiver, receiver, DBE, what isn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 16 DBs come around every so often, but receiver, quarterback, or running back, franchise altering. But his plate isn't full enough for him to be franchise-altering right now.

Speaker 12 Correct. It's not.

Speaker 12 It's hard. I mean,

Speaker 12 I don't envy him. I understand that he wants to do things that nobody's ever done.
And it's been a long time since we got a guy that this tally. We saw Champ Bailey do it.

Speaker 12 Miles Jack did it as a running back and a linebacker at UCLA.

Speaker 12 But it ain't easy. It ain't easy to be elite because with the number two pick, you're supposed to be elite.
And he wants to be elite on both sides of the football.

Speaker 12 Now,

Speaker 12 you ask Time. Time says, Look,

Speaker 12 had I devoted what I devoted to being a wide receiver, like I devoted to DB, ain't no question in my mind. I get a gold jacket as a wide receiver.
And I believe him.

Speaker 12 I believe him.

Speaker 12 Because

Speaker 12 he was just so gifted. God just gave that man so much ability.

Speaker 12 But people, but see, a lot of times, Ocho, when God gives somebody ability, they make it seem like they don't work. Time worked.
Time studied.

Speaker 12 But see, you're like, man, God, no, no. Yes, God blessed him.
But the greatest are when God blessed you and you're the hardest worker.

Speaker 12 You get a Tom Brady. You get a Deion Sanders.
You get a Kobe Bryant. You get a Michael Jordan.
You get a LeBron James. You get a Griffey Jr.
That's what you get. You get a Barry Bonds, you get that.

Speaker 12 That's what you get when you take a Tiger Woods.

Speaker 16 Serena.

Speaker 12 Serena Williams. That's what you get.

Speaker 12 When God kiss you with God-given ability and work ethic.

Speaker 16 You dangerous, boy.

Speaker 16 You dangerous. And the funny thing about it is he already, he got the work ethic too.
Not only do he have the work ethic, but he goddamn believe he can do it.

Speaker 12 He believed he could do it. That's part of it.

Speaker 16 I was just going to say that. That's part of it.
Once you believe you can do something, oh, shh. Boy, it's up, Ben.

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