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The Detroit Lions go into Baltimore and thump the Ravens.

Ocho, I ain't seen somebody do this to the Ravens in a very, very long time.

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Ain't no trickery.

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Oh, Joe.

Yo.

The Lions go into Baltimore.

Run the ball for 264 yards.

No, let me take that back.

They ran the ball for 200.

Hold on.

How many yards did they run?

224.

They ran the ball 38 times, 224.

David Montgomery had 12 rush attempts for 154 yards and two touchdowns.

Had a long of 72.

So he's averaging what?

12, 12.

Oh, so he's averaged averaged damn near 13 yards a carry in an NFL game.

Yeah.

Hold on.

Not just, hold on.

Just not an NFL game.

We talk about the we talk about the Ravens.

Ravens.

Ravens.

Any NFL game.

We playing against the Ravens.

Who identity?

They're known for what?

They're known for their defense.

They're known to be physical.

Jared Goff was 20 of 28, 202 yards, an interception.

No, excuse me, a touchdown.

No turnovers.

Zero sacks.

Lamar Jackson had an okay night throwing the ball 21 of 27 288 three touchdowns ocho but he was sacked seven times yeah and it wasn't they wasn't bringing no pressure that was four-man pressure a lot of that a lot of that was three down they would bring what we call three down scan three down spy where they would rush three and then have somebody like right there where you going

yeah and spy and they getting pressure with three rushes that's unacceptable yeah and

can you hear me let me tell you something bro

that's That's that's three games, huh?

That's three in a row.

That's three games.

And the ball is in your left hand.

So obviously, he's a right-handed player.

That's his non-dominant hand, arm.

And so now they see the ball is away because he's getting ready to stiff arm.

And the ball just got slightly away from his body.

And Hutch from the back.

You got to sense that.

They're going to attack the ball now, Henry.

That's what they're doing.

They say, you know what?

Hey, we're not going to let you run our ass over.

You can't go nowhere without the ball.

Yeah.

And obviously Hutch was coming from behind too,

and he had no idea.

And he's running to the left.

So

as a running back, you learn that from Pee Wee.

You learn it in high school.

You learn it in college.

If you're running to your left, you always keep the ball in what?

In your left hand.

But obviously, somebody coming from behind, you got to keep that thing high and tight.

You got to keep it high and tight.

Ocho.

I've been trying to tell, I see, see, the thing is, a lot of times, Ocho, if you're just a fan of the game game and you just watch the game my team won we're not trying to hear what you're saying right i said now y'all can blame it on henry's fumble and you can blame this but baltimore your defense is an issue yeah baltimore and i told you this the other night when you played buffalo you gave up 264 yards in the fourth quarter to the buffalo bills you gave up you gave up 22 points in the fourth quarter to the buffalo bills i said you've got an issue now baltimore ravens fans you know because a lot of you guys have said man we need a a new dc zach or we need a new dc i don't know what you need but if somebody would have told me that the lions was going to come in there and physically beat the ravens up yeah i'd say i bet you're doorknob to a bucket of cow manure that won't happen yeah absolutely listen i wouldn't think i wouldn't think the lions would come in and physically dominate and pose their will on the ravens especially offensively i knew they would score points i knew

and and and i felt the way the game started off um the first and the second quarter they was going back and forth and And I thought to myself, I'm at the cigar bar for the first half.

Man, I kicked my feet up.

Boy, it's going to be a barn burner.

They finna be going back and forth.

But obviously, Lamar Jackson holding on to the ball a little bit too long, trying to make plays down the field.

Take off.

Take off.

You got to know when to go.

And if you're not going to go, if you're not going to take off, throw the ball out of bounds.

Throw the ball away.

Throw it off.

So you live to see another play.

So you live to see another down, but you're putting your team in unfortunate circumstances.

You're going from first and first and 10 to the second and 18 from second and 18 to third and 20 something so there really not many plays that you can run from that point and so you lose the offensive series yeah it ain't that many plays in the playbook that you got for third and third and 15 third and 20 third and 25.

oh joe

you might go a whole year a defense might go a whole year and maybe have one drive in which they give up a drive of 90 plus yards yeah the ravens gave up two in this game two a 96 yard drive and a 98-yard drive.

You know how hard that is to do, Uncle?

Hell yeah.

You know how long, do you know how hard it is to string together a bunch of plays and drive the whole goddamn field?

Basically, had the ball for 11 minutes.

That's very difficult.

Yes.

That's very difficult to do.

Hey, Montgomery had a day.

You know, that monkey jumped on his back like he was running the goddamn 400.

Jameer Gibbs had a day.

Listen, and this is this all come down to, you're going to have games like this, right?

But they got to fix the turnovers.

You got to fix the turnovers.

Listen,

the Lions should have had almost three interceptions.

They dropped them.

Yes.

They dropped them.

And this is what has always haunted the Ravens once they make it to the playoffs.

They play very well throughout the season, and they get into the first round of the playoffs, and they do stuff like this.

They turn the ball over.

They need to fix these issues.

I'm glad it's early in the season.

It's only week three.

So they have plenty of time to get this stuff together.

Derrick Henry, they're going to go back.

They're going to start from the basics, high and tight.

If you got to run the ball like goddamn Tiki Barber did when he played,

so be it.

Or keep it, look here, or keep it in your right arm.

If you feel more comfortable, which if you go back and look at Emmett Smith, you'll never see him with the ball in his right arm.

Right.

He kept everything in his left because, and he's a right, but he felt more comfortable.

Go back and look at Emmy.

It don't matter what side of the foot, what side he's on.

He taking a toss to the right, he got it in his left.

He taking a toss to the left, he got it in his left.

So King Henry, if you feel more comfortable with it now, it's going to take away the stiff arm opportunity.

But Emmett

really wasn't a stiff arm type of guy.

That is your weapon, is the stiff arm.

And,

you know, you got the ball.

If you're on the left-hand side, you're on the right-hand side.

It's going to be hard to stiff arm somebody coming from the inside.

Yeah.

But you got to do something like it's mental now, Ocho.

You know how it is, Ocho.

You drop a couple of passes in the game.

It's in your head.

It starts bothering you.

It's in your head.

And

you start trying to body catch it.

And like, okay, ooh,

I'm going to look it all the way in.

And they think you know the ball hits your side your head.

Hey, we all have been there.

If you catch pan, if you caught passes for a living, you've had a day and when you're like, damn, just don't throw me the ball.

And here I am.

I'm open again.

Yeah, ball beat you right up.

Ball beat you up.

Oh, Joe.

This is what we normally say about the Ravens do to other teams.

They beat people up.

Yes.

They smash people.

For the lions to come in here.

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excuse me no interceptions no sacks i do understand madam bique

And Van Noy, two of their best pass rushers, wasn't there.

Yeah, they hurt.

But that ain't got nothing to do with that running now.

Nah.

That ain't got nothing to do.

Running is about physicality.

It's about domination.

It's about moving a man out of the way against his will.

Right.

That's what that is about.

And for somebody, if, like I said, Ocho, if somebody would have told me, this is what was, this is the type, okay, if you tell me the Lions is going to win where they can score points, okay?

Yeah.

Okay, I don't think they're going to win in Baltimore.

But, you know, if they, okay, I can see that.

But if you tell me they're going to come in and get dominated like they got dominated tonight,

I wouldn't believe that.

Not running the ball like that, Ocho.

I haven't seen the Ravens get run on like that.

That's physically, that's physically dominated.

And, you know, I thought Lamar was throwing the ball well.

Like you said, Ocho, that clock's got to go off a little quicker.

Yeah, that's all.

The clock's got to go off a little quicker.

Bro, that ain't seven on seven.

They're not going to let you back there and pat the ball and let you just pat the ball and just let you pat the ball.

You got to go.

Hey, after one pat, let it go.

Yeah.

Take off.

Either you take off or let it go out of bounds somewhere.

But

I think you got to look.

The Lions defense, man.

And that was a bugaboo last year, Ojo.

You know, they scored points, but they had, you know, they had to seemingly outscore everybody.

Right.

This defense this year, look, they gave up 30 points.

I only really counted that last turn.

That was late in the ball game.

Right.

Because they had a goal line stand.

They stuffed Derrick Henry.

They stuffed him.

And then Lamar tried it, and they stuffed Lamar.

Give them credit.

They bowled their backs when they had to bowl their backs.

But I'm concerned about the Ravens defense.

Yeah.

I'm concerned about it, Ocho, because like I said, they gave up 200.

Ocho, man, 264 yards and a quarter.

Man, that's over 1,000 yards of the damn game.

And you gave up 22 points.

Yeah.

So now look at this, what they gave up today.

They gave up a drive of 67, 98, 60, and 94 yards.

Two touchdown drives of at least 11 plays or more.

One of the drives took 10 10 and a half minutes off the clock.

And listen, and one of their strong suits, one of the strong suits of the Ravens has always been able to stop the run.

The issues with the Ravens has always been the back end, huh?

It's always been the back end.

But now it looks like not only the back end is struggling, hell, the front end is struggling too.

If you can't stop the run and you can't stop the goddamn pass, well, shit, you just sat there for goddamn decoration.

Yeah, and I love, hey, let me tell you something too.

I love Dan Campbell.

I love Dan Campbell and his willingness not to give two flats, drops, drops, a pigeon drop on concrete, what down it is.

They playing four-down football.

Dan Campbell is playing four-down football no matter where he's at on the field.

He really just don't care.

Well, you got to understand the type of game that you're in.

He's like, okay, well, my defense really hadn't stopped them.

They're going up and down the field tight.

And so the likelihood, so the likelihood of a field goal game beating the Ravens is not very likely.

And we're down in this situation.

We're fourth and one.

We're fourth and two.

I trust Jerry Goff to make the right decision.

It's the same thing.

That's why the Baltimore Ravens, you understand the type of game that you're in.

That's what you have to do.

Within the first drive or two, you understand what type of game this is going to be, Ocho.

Most definitely.

This is going to be

one of those 30-point games.

Yes.

And so, kicking, punting the ball and kicking field goals, that's not how we're going to win this game.

I'm concerned.

Look, the turnovers will always be an issue.

Obviously, you can't turn the football over.

But the ease in which the Lions move the football tonight is very concerning to me.

Let me tell you something.

This is the good thing, Uncle This is the good thing for the Ravens.

How many offenses

are like the Lions that's in the NFL?

Maybe two or three.

I'm telling two or three that can go up and down the field and throw it.

Maybe the Packers or one.

Well, you don't have to be like the Lions if you got it going up against everybody gonna look like the Lions against that defense.

I don't know, everybody don't have the personnel.

It's all about situational football and get the personnel you have.

Okay,

let's just say the AFC.

Right.

You got the Chargers.

That's one team that's capable of doing exactly what the Lions did tonight.

That's one.

The Chargers.

Who else?

I'm throwing Cincinnati out because they don't have.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Yeah, they got burrow.

They're not doing anything.

It ain't too many.

Even though Mahomes can't run the football like that

and still

come playoff time,

you're not willing to wager anything against him.

And here's the other thing, Ojo.

We know the Ravens don't play their best football in the postseason.

So I don't need to look like the Lions did tonight in order to beat them.

Because guess what?

I got seven sacks in turnovers.

And we know in the postseason when the Ravens lose, what do they do?

Turn the ball over at least once.

A lot of occasions is two or more.

So I don't really need to look like the Lions in order to beat the Ravens because they're going to give me some cheap possessions.

They're going to put me, they're going to turn the ball over in their territory and give me a short field.

Right.

And you know how momentum is in the playoff, man.

Once that thing go, hey, they can run seven, 10, 14 points on you in a hurry.

I'm shocked.

Chat,

I'm not bulljoining y'all.

Yeah.

I am shocked.

with the ease in which the Detroit Lions ran the football, how they protected their quarterback.

I mean, bro, they had 426.

I mean, they couldn't get them off the field, Locho.

Yeah.

And matter of fact, you know what I will say?

I will say this.

As someone who watches the game of football, understand the game of football.

Even though the Ravens lost tonight, they were dominated somewhat defensively on the offensive side of the ball.

Obviously, Lamar taking six, seven sacks, whatever it may have been.

Interception, it should have been damn near three, maybe even four interceptions.

A game like this, Lamar have a game like this, and then here going on a street unk for the next 11, 12 games, and them same sacks he's taking, he breaking those for 20 and 30 yard gains.

So you have a game like this, but then

you don't chastise him for having a game like this or trying to make plays and trying to extend plays, which he's extremely, extremely good at, because the rest of the year, he gonna break all those.

The rest of the year, those seven or six sacks, they're not gonna be sacks.

They're going to be gains in which he has 10 or more yards to keep a drive going.

But here's the thing, though.

When he was taking those sacks last year, what did his mom say?

Run the damn ball.

Run the damn ball, yeah.

Yeah.

You see, so, you know, sometimes he gets caught up.

I can throw, yeah, we know you can throw the football.

But in situations like this, I mean, they're dropping, they're dropping 70 coverage.

Yeah, they were.

They were.

You got to give them credit, Ocho, because they were stopping him with their front.

So they didn't sacrifice the back end.

So they didn't have to drop that safety down to

deal with King Henry.

Give those guys credit.

Now, they're going to have to do a better job of finding Bateman.

It seems like Mark Andrews is getting his legs back.

You know, he came off that very, very serious leg injury a couple of years ago.

And so he's starting to look like Mark Andrews again until likely

comes back.

But I was just shocked.

I mean,

400, it was 7 of 14.

Excuse me.

It wasn't like the Ravens were bad on third down.

They were 6 of 11.

But 50% on third down.

And then you go three or three on fourth down.

Hold on.

And think about it.

In the red zone, if I'm not mistaken, the goddamn lions were what?

Four for four?

Five for five in the red zone?

Every time they got down there, yep.

Man, bad days.

There was four or five in the red zone.

Okay.

Four or five, and the Ravens was two or four.

Ooh, that's gonna be hard to beat.

I mean, you think about it.

Both teams, I mean, 20 of 28 passing for the Lions, 21 of 28 for the Ravens, 7.2 yards per pass play, 6.7.

My concerns have been watching them the first game of the season.

I'm like, okay, I don't want to make too big of an issue.

Right.

But that defense concerns me, Ocho.

That defense concerns me.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, that's going to be their Achilles heel.

That's going to be their Achilles heel until they fix it.

And people saying, oh, we need a defensive coordinator.

We need a new coordinator.

Well, you got who you got right now.

Yeah.

But listen, every time I hear that, listen, we talked about Ben Johnson and

AG obviously being gone, but you still have the same personnel.

And

we saw that tonight.

We saw that tonight offensively.

The creativity is still there.

Them boys ran a goddamn triple option, huh?

Man, they ran a triple option.

And defensively, they made some great plays.

Brian Branch, all over the place, almost had an interception.

I'm not sure what happened to that.

That was an easy one, too.

But, I mean, they look good.

They look good on both sides of the ball.

And, ocho, and I'm looking at Detroit.

And then I watch how Green Bay dominated them.

Yeah.

Green Bay dominated them.

Yeah.

I don't even know if they had 200 yards of total offense.

I was like, what the hell?

And then I watched them drop 52 on Chicago last week.

Yeah.

Who just turned around and dropped 38 on Cowboys.

But beating Cowboys ain't saying much because Cowboys' defense hadn't been good for an extended period of time.

But Detroit,

Detroit, we knew offensively.

And I know, look, Green Bay is a division game, Ojo.

Division games are tough.

Now, when you start,

when you drop 30, 40 points on a division opponent that knows you, you play each other twice a year.

You know them, they know you.

And it's not like I understand Ben Johnson is your new head coach, but hell, you just coached against him for the last five years as offensive coordinator for the Lions.

So you got film on him.

You know what he likes to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Adam Lightning.

What it's all saying done, we thought they lost both coordinators.

They were going to take a step back.

It doesn't look like they're going to take a step back.

It looks like they're going to take a damn giant leap forward.

Yeah.

And the funny thing about it, huh?

Is you know how the saying goes, especially in the beginning of the season,

any given Sunday on you're right any any given Sunday especially in the beginning of the season right now teams offensively they're not even into their form yet they not even to their form defense is a is a little different all you're doing is you're reacting by the time you get to week five and six and everybody offensive is hitting their stride hey look at caitlin williams even though they were playing the cowboys We had doubts about Caleb Williams.

Now he's starting to come into his own, looking like the quarterback that that was drafted in the first round.

Now again,

I knew it was the Cowboys.

Yes.

But still, this is what we've been waiting for.

But that's what I want to see.

Oh, Joe, when I'm playing an inferior opponent and I know they're bad on one side of the ball, don't you want to see your side of the ball dominate

the side that you feel are inferior?

We know the Cowboys defense isn't very good.

So I expected...

everybody to get healthy.

If you're struggling offensively, the doctor will tell you, play the Cowboys and call me tomorrow.

you'll be just fine because you'll be able to do whatever you want to do.

They can't consistently generate pressure.

The past defense isn't very good and they hadn't been very good for a very, very long time because they can't generate pressure.

And you can't put pressure on, I don't care who your secondary is, unless you're dealing with Hall of Famer historically great players.

You're not going to do anything.

You've got to pressure the quarterback.

The quarterback got to go down.

The quarterback has to be in fear.

You have to speed the quarterback up.

But Detroit, 24 first down, Ocho.

They had 11.

They got one by penalty.

11 on passing, 12 on rushing.

Third down efficiency.

They were 50% on third down.

There was 100% on fourth down.

66 total plays.

See,

the Ravens ran into the problem.

Ocho.

They had 19 rush attempts.

Now, you know damn well the Ravens normally have 30, 35, 40 rush attempts.

Yeah.

Yeah, but listen, they had those rush attempts like that.

It's a high volume of rush attempts when the goddamn run is actually working.

But don't, don't, don't let, listen, a lot of times, Ocho,

guys tell the story like you go to, you know, you see a lot of professional athletes.

Now, some guys make a lot more money than others.

Yeah.

And then you'll get caught up in a situation.

Y'all at the club, let me get a bottle.

Let me buy a rhyme for everybody.

You ain't got money like him.

No, no, no, no, no.

Or you go to the casino, Ocho, and they playing $1,000, $5,000 a hand.

Well, bro, you're supposed to to be playing $100 a hand, and

you get caught up in that.

The Ravens got caught up into this situation, OJo, because they see, okay, the gang's going to be high score.

But Ravens, y'all score 40, y'all can score points and run the ball.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Go ahead, what you wanted to say?

Hold on.

I just heard you say something.

Excuse my ignorance.

I heard you in comparison to tonight's game, the casino part and playing $1,000, $5,000 hands.

That's a real thing?

Oh, yeah, for sure you get caught you hey oh joe you know you go in the club and and they look it hey i got it like that too hey let me get a bottle hey you know we done got us we done got us a table hey let me get a bottle let me get that ace of spade let me get this let me get that you try to impress people

hold on where the hell can you play a thousand or five thousand dollar hands i played black jack hold on i played blackjack in vegas and it was a 25 table 25

yeah exactly but they got 25 000 tables too and they got 50 000 table and they got private rooms that they'll let you play up to a probably a hundred thousand a hand what

yes

who the hell has that kind of disposable income to pay a hundred thousand dollars a hand a lot of people a lot of people

i got that's how you that's how you win millions you can't win millions playing 500 hands if you're trying to win if you It takes money to make money.

So if you're trying to take money off the casino, you're going to have to put something They say in order to catch a lion, you got to use your best goat.

So if you want big bucks, you got to put big bucks up.

Oh, hell no.

I'm just saying.

Man, Detroit, they impressed me tonight.

They look real good.

They impressed me tonight.

The Ravens at home

and coming off a big win against Cleveland.

And look, they dropped 40 on Cleveland, and we think Cleveland's defense is good.

You wore them down because they turned the turnovers and then you know, you're going three and out, and now you're putting your defense on the field, back on the field.

No matter how great your defense is, they will wear it down if you continually put them, trot them out there.

But I think this, tonight, I think we ought to make this more about what Detroit did do than what the Ravens did do.

Yeah, absolutely.

We can say the Ravens' defense is concerning.

We can say Lamar.

took too many sacks or he needs to speed the process up, either take off running with the football or throw it away.

But somebody put them under the gun.

Somebody put them in fear.

That was the Detroit Lions.

The Detroit Lions ran the football.

They did a great job of protecting Jerry Goff because he's not the most mobile quarterback and he was never under the rest.

Yeah.

And listen.

A guy like him, Ocho, if you don't put him under the rest, he'll pick your ass apart.

And then

20 or 28.

Matter of fact, the fact that he's not a dual threat quarterback, you got to get pressure and get him off the spot.

You got to find a way to make him uncomfortable.

And if you blitz, you got to be careful.

If you blitz, they're going to kill you.

If they blitz, they're going to kill you because offensively, they already got the hot reads already built in because he's not a mobile quarterback.

And matter of fact, I forgot to tell you, I was being nice tonight.

You shouldn't be saying foot or ball because you were Ravens.

Why are you bringing Regan's helmet out tonight?

Matter of fact, I feel bad for you because not only did your team lose tonight on Monday night, your team gonna lose next Monday night too.

Nah, we win the other team.

Nah, that was.

Your other team going to lose next.

Wait, is it Monday?

Yeah, we got the double header, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

You're going to get a double whammy.

A double whammy.

And

I could almost guarantee you that.

No.

I mean, think about it.

Ocho, they only missed four tackles on defense.

The Lions improved to 12-2 in prime time games under Dan Campbell.

Gibbs and Montgomery, aka Sonics and Knuckles recorded a touchdown in the same game for the 11th time.

Both had two touchdowns.

They broke the tie with Packers' great

Paul Horning and Jim Taylor, both of those guys in the pro football hall of fame, and Hugh McElhaney and Joe Perry.

Jody Jet Perry was once the all-time leading rusher in NFL history, if I'm not mistaken,

for the most such games of any running back tandem.

So,

Ocho.

I don't know if you know this, and you probably agree with me.

Aiden Hutchinson about be become the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL.

Aiden?

Yep.

He sacked Lamar twice, right?

Uh

I know he got it once.

He got a, he had, I know he had one sack.

Hold on, let me see.

No, he had one sack, one tackle for lost force fumble.

Muhammad had two and a half sacks.

Yeah,

I don't know about the highest paid, but he'll get close to it because he ain't getting more than 47.

Why not?

He's not getting more than 47.

And they just gave Mike a.

Mike is a transcending talent.

Aiden Hutchinson is good.

He's really good.

Aiden Hutchinson, before he broke his leg, he was the odds-on-favorite to be defensive player of the year.

Hold on.

Before he what?

Before he broke his leg.

And there go your answer on why he's not getting more than 47.

They got a rod in his leg, and the rod is not a leg of stronger.

Watch what I tell you.

Now, see, just like I told you last night, I told you CD going to be out three to four weeks.

Now, didn't I tell you that?

Now, chat, y'all listen to a guy that's never been hurt why would you listen to a guy that's never been hurt about waiting wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute i i never said cd wasn't gonna be hurt he had a high ankle sprain i you said one week out you said one week he's not getting re-evaluated till 14 days right i said three to four weeks you said one

Did you see that man ankle?

Hold on, wait, man.

That man's ankle bone laid on the ground.

Hold on.

You got to listen to me.

You got to understand.

I saw he got caught up in the tackles.

He got caught up under the person's

body weight, actually.

His body weight is why he had a high ankle sprain.

If CD were to come to me and holler at your boy, I can get him back in a week.

But the fact that everything in that structured environment, they like to do things their way with their people, it's probably going to take three to four weeks for him to get back on the goddamn field.

It's going to take that, I mean, that thing stretched.

Like I said, that's exactly the way CD got hurt.

That's exactly the way I hurt my ankle the very first time with a high ankle spring.

Albert Lewis tackled me the same way, but it was like a hip-drop tackle, Ocho.

And it did the exact same thing.

Ocho, I'm talking about the exact same thing.

And every time I would get my ankle, that's how I hurt my ankle.

It was like they just knew.

I never rolled it over the top.

I always rolled in.

Oh, man.

And then they put that weight on it, all that pressure.

Yep.

Ocho.

Aiden Hutchinson, isn't he younger than Micah?

He's probably a year or two younger than Micah.

He can't be more than 24, Ocho.

I mean,

probably not, but you got to understand.

Listen now,

come on, come on.

You know the game very well.

They love to use certain things against you.

As great, as great as he is, as great as he was in becoming, he was going to be up.

He was going to be rookie of the year.

That was his rookie year, right?

He was cutting up.

He was cutting up his rookie year.

He was cutting up his second year.

Second year.

Cutting up his third year.

But here's the the thing, Ocho, because he's young.

And guess what?

You're a local kid.

Where is he from, Ocho?

He's from out that way?

Yes.

He went to Michigan.

He played.

Yes.

Okay, okay.

Well, all that plays a part in, but

you know how owners work.

You know how management work, man,

when it come time to, well, you know, this happened to you.

We don't.

Not with them.

Oh,

I see what you mean.

Okay, I got you.

I got you.

I got you.

You good.

We let that one go.

Yeah.

The Ravens, one turnover, allowed seven sack, missed 20 tackles.

John Harbard, the biggest problem is we didn't play good run defense.

That's not going to be good enough.

That's bad run defense.

That's not who we are.

I totally agree.

It cannot be who we are.

We got to get better, better pass.

John Harbaugh must be.

Is John Harbaugh, was he listening to me talk OJo?

Yeah.

We got to get a better pass rush.

There's no doubt about it.

That's not, that's, that's not going to be good enough ever

I'm sitting there watching the game and I'm saying I'm saying this from I'm like I'm just I'm just sitting there like bro Yo y'all got to put the pressure on the quarterback.

I don't care Jerry Goff if you let him sit back there in the pocket Yeah, he'll do just what he did.

Did you see him last week?

Who did they play last week?

Chicago.

Oh, Joe, he completed 82% of his passes

for five touchdowns

now i don't know what 28 a 20 of 28 is but it's damn good yeah absolutely i don't know what percentage is off the top of my head but it's better than 60 i know that

and

he was i mean and he was under noted arrest and ocho and like you said at some point you got to stop something damn yeah you like the guy oh he ocho you like fighting so you know boxing the guy hits you with the jab he hit you with the straight right he hit you with the check he He hit you with the left.

He hit you with double cut.

Son, you got to stop something.

He hit you with everything.

Yeah.

So damn, either block the jab, but you got to do something.

He can't tag it to the body.

What damn, son?

Ravens, you got to stop something.

Either you rush the pass and put pressure on the quarterback.

or you stop the run.

But you're not beating anybody.

If you give an offense anything they want,

they're going to take more than what they're giving.

They're going to take you to town every time, huh?

They're going to take you to town every time.

The funny thing about it is the Ravens don't have to play an offense like the Lions every week.

So probably, I'm not even sure who their next opponent is, but they probably going to embarrass them.

They probably going to score 30-plus.

Yeah.

Oh,

they go to Kansas City.

Now, watch what happened.

I mean, no disrespect to the Chiefs.

No disrespect to the Chiefs.

Now, watch what happened.

I guarantee you.

It would be a high school.

Watch the Mollywap the damn Chiefs.

The Ravens Mebel Mollywap the Chiefs.

Because guess what, Ocho?

In order to disrupt the Chiefs, what must you be able to do?

Pressure Mahomes.

Pressure Mahomes.

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The Ravens had to play Kansas City 1-2 where Mahomes, Patrick, where they've never beaten Patrick Mahomes since 2008.

The Ravens are 0-3 at average, an arrowhead,

allowing an average of 29 points per game.

Derrick Henry also fumbled again.

Like I said,

it's in his head now, Ocho.

Yeah.

I mean, three consecutive games, like one, like, because now people are going to attack the football.

They said, hey, get that football out.

The same thing happened to Ramondre Stevenson yesterday in the Pittsburgh.

He had three, right?

three or two he did yeah he did he did and so now they're alert when you're in the game hey attack the football because he'll give it up he'll give it up

um but i agree with everything john harbaugh said john harbaugh basically corroborated what you and i started talking about right right the pass rush wasn't good enough the rush defense wasn't good enough

because

That's not good enough.

The Ravens are better.

We think the Ravens still look.

It's one game on y'all.

Oh, yeah, that's good.

But there's some cause for concerns for me from what I saw because I've seen this in two out of three games.

We saw Josh Allen in the second half go up and down the field like the Lions did basically the entire damn game.

And you talk about who's going to,

we forgot about Buffalo.

We think Buffalo is going to be there when it's all said and done.

Absolutely.

You're talking about a guy that got Lamar Jackson's legs and he's 6'5 and he's 250 pounds.

Yeah.

And he could throw the ball through the eye of a hurricane.

Mm-hmm.

So now

what what do we what what do you what type of team at the end of the day

what type of team you want to have Ravens right

because I just want you to know now

this thing don't stay open forever.

The store closes

the store closes.

So y'all need to cash in some of these opportunities.

Yeah.

They really need to cash in some of these opportunities, Ocho.

They need to go in free agency.

They need to find a bona fide pass rusher.

They need to go into the draft, but they got to get somebody.

When the Ravens were at their best, they had Terrell Suggs.

They had a guy that could put his hand in the dirt and go get your quarterback, defensive player of the year.

They had a Ray Lewis that was a defensive player of the year.

You had an Ed Reed that was a defensive player of the year.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Listen, we not those type of players aren't coming around no time soon.

But I'm saying, saying, you gotta be.

No Ed Reeds, but I, that.

But if you go back and look at us, what we had, Ocho, in 2000, we had a Peter Bowlware.

We had a Michael Macquarie.

We had a Rob Bournette.

Hey, you got to have guys that can go get hunt the quarterback.

Ocho.

You got to hunt the opposing quarterback.

It's an absolute must.

Guys are too good if you don't get them on the ground.

Yeah, you're right.

But the identity for those teams, also during that time, when you were playing, when I was playing, the Steelers, their identity, it was was their defense.

Yes.

The identity for the Ravens back then, it was their defense.

And

you feared having to play them.

I mean, I didn't personally, I'm just saying they instill fear before you even played the goddamn games.

They were that good.

Yes.

Those days are long gone.

Look, and this is not a knock.

Look, Roquan is Roquan's man.

He's an all-pro.

Oh, yeah, he nice.

He nice now.

But you got to get somebody that can hunt the quarterback.

You got to get somebody that can hunt the quarterback.

Yeah.

That's what you need.

You look at the team.

Philly, what can Philly do?

We think Green Bay is going to be there because what can Green Bay do?

Hunt the quarterback.

Go get the quarterback.

You look at the teams that we think that's going to be there when it's all said and done.

All of them, we believe, can go hunt the quarterback.

And you've got to be able to hunt the quarterback.

Now, I understand that Van Noy and Madabeek is injured.

And so when they come back, but okay, and I'll give you that.

Okay, that's why they didn't generate pressure getting to the quarterback.

But I can offer you nothing on why they gave up 220 plus yards rushing.

I got nothing for that, Ocho.

I got nothing for that.

Oh, man.

John Harbaugh on Derrick Hillary fumbles.

I don't think it would be a norm going forward, but we got to get it fixed.

That was a blind shot.

Still, we just want to protect the football.

If you remember, Ocho, every time that he's fumbled, if I'm not mistaken, it was.

The Cleveland, I don't know, because he both of them, now, Ed Oliver got him.

He was trying to stiff arm, and Ed said, I can't get you down.

So he raked the ball out.

Oh, yeah.

But the ball was in his left arm.

Tonight, he didn't realize Hutch was behind him.

Hutch like, boom, got the ball out.

Now, I don't know if he had it in his left or his.

Maybe it was right because I remember he read through the hole against Cleaver and they punched it out.

They ended up getting it back, if I'm not mistaken.

But he's got a...

It's in his head.

Yeah.

It's in his head.

And the bad thing, too, playing running back and you're fumbling the ball, you don't run the same.

You don't run the same.

You don't run as aggressive.

Absolutely not.

You don't run as aggressive.

The Ravens have 111 points this season.

That's the most points through three games by any team in NFL history with a losing record.

They're leading the NFL in scoring, Ocho.

They got 103 points.

They're one and two.

The next two have

111.

They have 111 points.

They're 1-2.

The Colts and the Lions,

Colts are 3-0.

They got 103 points.

The Lions, 2-1, 103 points.

Let that sink in.

So they're averaging 35,

37 points a game.

Yeah.

And got a losing record.

So it's still early.

That tells you your defense.

You heard me?

Because, huh?

It's still early, though.

It's a it's it's real early.

It is early.

It's early.

That's why you need to get it fixed now.

Yeah, you're right.

Before we have, you don't want to be having this conversation in December, and you damn sure don't want to have it in January.

Nah.

So let's go ahead and have this conversation.

Sometimes, don't you?

You have to have a conversation,

an uncomfortable conversation

before

all hell break loose.

Yeah.

Before 2025, no starting quarterback had ever lost multiple games in which they had 140 passer rating in a single season.

Lamar Jackson has already lost two such games through three.

He had 144.4 in a week one loss against the Bills, 148.1 in a week three loss against the Lions.

Now, he does have the highest quarterback rating in NFL history.

Nobody would have ever thought that.

If you told me that, did I think he could play quarterback in the NFL?

Yes, but if you told me he was going to be an MVP-level quarterback and have the highest passer rating,

nobody would believe it.

Because if they'd have believed that, if they if they would have believed Lamar, this is what I know.

If they'd have believed Lamar would have turned out like this, they'd have taken the number one overall.

Absolutely.

The fact that he had to wait to the goddamn bottom of the first for the first round and the Ravens traded back in to get him.

And then they had the nerve to say, You want to at the combine, you want to work out as a receiver?

Yeah, catch one routes.

What?

excuse me come on now that's why hey listen that's why it's so surprising he had to work his tail off to get to the point where he is now though

let me show you while i'm just not a running quarterback let me show you not only my dude threat i can use my leg but i can use my arm too so now the secondary is not running the secondary is i mean excuse me my primary first thing now is to throw the ball which is why you're seeing some of the sacks now.

I'm trying to extend plays and show you I can throw the ball.

ball but let's get back to what you do best if you go through your progression and it's not there go ahead and get them y'all all ass go ahead and get them yards listen

to see another day

you got you got to um

i think it was a blessing in disguise because maybe if he goes early in the first round he doesn't work as hard because ocho you know you got something to prove not only to yourself because you want to show them that man they wanted me to move to wide receiver they wanted me to play running back right they talking about i'm a running back that can throw.

They really said I wasn't, they didn't do that to Tim Tebow.

They let that man play quarterback.

Now, once they found out he couldn't really play consistent quarterback, they asked him to move.

Right.

But y'all asking me to move without even giving me an opportunity to play it.

Let me go, give me an opportunity to play quarterback.

Then if I can't play quarterback and if I choose to move, I'll do that.

But at least give me the opportunity.

Right.

So, and he's worked his ass off and it's become an absolute dime dropper.

Now, that two-point throw, that was a frustration for OJO.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was a frustration.

Cause you know, damn well, Lamar Jackson ain't gonna miss a wide open receiver by that much.

Right.

He was just like, man,

Lamar after game one after the game said, I feel like week one was a wake-up call, not just a loss.

Man, them boy, them, them boys finna come back and do.

And

I ain't gonna say it no more.

I ain't gonna say it no more.

They're gonna be all right.

They're gonna be all right next week.

They are

got the work cut out for them.

You know, Kansas City.

Hey, Kansas City trying to get back, trying to put strengths and wins together.

Hold on.

Kansas City 0-3 still?

What?

They beat the Giants last week?

They did beat the Giants.

Yeah, they beat the Giants.

They call it for Russ Head over there already, huh?

I know.

I know.

You did.

We got that coming.

We're coming.

Nick Bosa is out for the season, Ocho, with a torrent ACL.

The Niners

are 3-0.

The Niners look to be cursed.

This is nothing new to them.

Through week three, they've already dealt with injuries.

Mark Purdy missed the game.

George Kittle has missed two games.

Jawan Jennings missed the game.

Brandon Ayuk has yet to play.

Looking at their injury rankings in the past two years.

In 2024, they were the most injured team.

In 2022, they were the ninth most injured team.

In 2021, they were the third most injured team.

In 2020, they was the most injured team.

In 2019, the sixth most injured team.

In 2018, the fourth most.

I don't know who their training staff is, but

something ain't right.

Something ain't right.

Ain't no way

your team is supposed to be that injured.

I don't know what type of training they got.

Maybe they got them doing bands.

I don't know what they got them doing, Ocho, but this is unacceptable.

Yeah, listen, it's not just their, it's just not their team.

i'm i'm i'm curious and i'm not understanding and why the injury rate in the nfl is continuing to go up and i'm talking about non-contact injuries i know bosa obviously he was blocking and you know it gave him a road yeah but like like come come on man

like every weekend somebody najay harris hurt he done towards acl no achilles ain't it achilles i mean yeah achilles i'm like well god damn Those are so,

that's the thing that that that's

that puzzle orthopedics because there's no rhyme or reason.

Because think about it, Ocho, the guy just get ready to take off

and collapse.

Yeah.

I don't understand, man.

You know, sometimes, you know, it's just the, and normally it's the push-off.

Yeah.

You know, ACL, you know, sudden stop, you know, you get, you know, foot got caught in the ground.

You get tackled from the side.

You get swiped or something.

uh the uh the leg the knee goes back but man something this ain't adding up ocho

i mean these athletic trainers and the sports trainers, the weight condition, strength and conditioning, they're supposed to be some of the best in the world.

And you got a bill, Ocho, you got, I mean,

the 49ers got to be worth seven, $8 billion.

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Y'all got to get some people in there that know that,

hey.

I mean, I'm right here.

Something ain't adding up.

I'm right here.

Something ain't adding up.

You heard me?

Huh?

You say, you say the 49 and

somebody that knows you?

You do realize that to be a strength and conditioning coach, you have to have a degree.

And that's the problem.

And that's the problem.

That's why everybody keeps motherfucking getting hurt.

Because they worry about shit that ain't got nothing to do with no guy.

It does.

Yes.

Hold on, listen to me.

You go to school and you learn about all these things that mean nothing when it comes to playing that violent sport.

You should bring somebody in there that's played a violent sport and was able to do it without getting hurt.

That's what you need to do.

That don't take no degree.

Under that premise, all your great coaches should have played in the NFL.

How many great NFL you say?

Somebody that played.

Hold on, hold on, now.

We talk about preventing injuries.

Now, you're going from Ab, you're going from apples to oranges.

That's no totally besides this.

So, in other words, you're saying that because

you played and didn't get injured,

yeah, never, nothing.

But no, the key, no injury, no, no hamstrings, no souls.

Who's built like Ocho?

So you're asking people to

do what you did when they're not built like you.

They don't have the biomac or mechanics like you.

They might not be built like me, right?

They might not have my makeup or my DNA.

But based on their size and the structure of how they built, I'm able to finagle the system and what they need to do to ensure they don't get hurt.

That's what I do.

That's what I'm good at.

That's why I understand on how to the longevity.

I'm 57.

I still ain't been hurt.

And I'm still active.

Like I'm, I'm hey, I get active out there right now, playing soccer, I'm playing pickleball, I'm playing tennis.

Like, I'm still active, nothing wrong with me.

Nothing requires you to be as violent with the sudden start and stops like an NFL football player.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

So, the fact that I was able to do it with nothing happening, nothing.

Listen, I wish I could give Joe Burrow my toe.

I wish I could give CeeDee Lamb my ankle.

I could give, man.

I wish I could give Nick Bosu my knee.

I don't need him.

Man, I'm telling you, I can prevent this stuff, man, but nobody want to listen to me, man.

Yeah,

that's probably not going to, that's probably not going to happen.

I know, it's all good, though.

It's all good.

It's all good.

I don't know if they want 47-year-old knees and 47-year-old ankles anyway.

Oh, yes, yes, you do.

You want these.

You want these.

Hey, this ain't nothing but magic.

But hey, look at these knees.

You ain't never seen no knees like this.

Look at that.

Hey, as soon as they got, hey, they still 47.

So when a 27 year old get out there running, stop, pop, ah.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

If, if, if I put these knees and I put these feet on anybody that's in today's NFL,

man, please.

Man, please.

You talking about magic?

Magic.

They're magic, huh?

What happened to you?

Where you got that from?

Yeah.

They Ocho, let me hold it.

Yeah, yeah, they ain't going to be moving too fast with your with some 47-year-old knees and ankles.

Hey, uh, I just timed myself in the 40 the other day onk

you won't believe what i ran

i probably wouldn't oh joe what'd you run i ran a 4-4 onk 447.

lord have mercy 4-4-7 onk right now that's that's faster than 73 of the nfl right now oh joe now i'm not saying i could play but the fact that i can run in a straight line that fast at 57 that means something

I don't know, Ocho, if you run 4-4, but okay, I'm going to take your word for it.

You just heard Fred Curley tell you I beat him, Unk.

That was just last year when we was training at Tropical Park down here in Miami.

I'm telling you, I can go in a straight line, boy.

I'm here.

I'm here to deal with.

I'm going to take your word for it, Ocho.

Yeah.

After three weeks with veteran quarterback Russell Wilson on the center, the

New York Giants may be considering a change.

Brian Dayball told reporters today, we just watched the tape here.

We're in meetings with players right now.

It's not all on one guy.

There's multiple reasons why certain plays don't come out the way we wanted them to come out.

When pressed about whether that means a quarterback change is on the table,

Dayball said, we're evaluating everything.

Damn.

The Giants initially planned to take their time with Dart's development.

However, the team's struggles amid an 0-3 record only made the call for Dart to replace Russell Wilson grow louder.

And listen,

you called that earlier.

You called it earlier.

So that eight weeks, that eight weeks might turn into four.

That eight weeks might turn into five, depending on how the next two games go.

I don't think the ball, the ball will go to him this early in the season because do you really want to throw him out there right now and

mess with his conscience?

Mess up?

You told me you can't learn nothing on the bench.

If I'm losing, shouldn't I be losing with the guy and getting him some experience?

I know one thing.

Also, throwing him out there to the wolves like that,

you know what you can lose to?

Your goddamn confidence.

You can lose your goddamn confidence.

As a young rookie quarterback, go out there and get beat upside the head if you want to.

If I put him out there, oh choo and they lose confidence, he wasn't a guy for me anyway.

So I need to see that.

So I need to see that sooner than later.

Hey, my uncle, you know how it is, though.

I do understand how it is.

It's already a shit show as it is.

You're 0-3.

Certain things aren't going well.

The offensive line ain't really giving Russ the kind of time, ample time he needs to be able to orchestrate the offense.

And then you throw the rookie out there.

Listen, he might be able to make some plays.

He might be able to make some plays.

He might show flashes of what we saw in the preseason.

But them goddamn defenses and exotic stuff and coverages that he's going to see once he gets in there and realize, oh, this ain't the preseason.

Oh, it's not as easy as it was back then.

Now we're scheming.

Now we're trying to, we, oh, no, it's different, huh?

Ocho.

It's different.

Ocho, on fourth down, Russ threw the ball out of the end zone.

Why would you do that?

Don't you want to give your, okay, even if it's intercepted, you turn the ball over.

Don't you want to give your guy at least a chance to make a play on the ball, Ocho?

Yeah, you're right.

You're right, honestly.

I mean, there's some things a veteran quarterback should understand.

I never understood that.

A guy on fourth down, he throw the ball in the stands or he throw the ball out of bounds.

Well, who gonna catch it over there and gonna get you a completion?

Bless you.

Right, thank you.

You're right.

I just, I

just thought

when you draft a quarterback and it seems to be that they got that they wanted all along,

they weren't sure that he would be there.

They seemed very ecstatic that they were able to get him when they got him.

Yes.

You know this, Ocho.

When

you start to move teams, because you got to realize this is this is Russ's fourth team in four years.

Right.

Now,

they don't see you as the long-term solution.

Right.

They don't.

And especially if they got a guy, especially if they got a, they drafted a guy in the first round, Ocho.

You know, they see him.

And they were just hoping we could get a,

maybe he can give us a year.

Yeah.

Maybe he can just give us a good solid year.

That's it.

If anything,

I would go to Jameis.

I would go to Jameis.

If you want to make a quarterback change, I would go to Jameis and continue to allow Mahomes did it with Alex Smith.

You know,

allow him to continue to develop, being able to get those mental reps from the sideline.

Yes.

It's time for him to get in there.

Okay, you know what?

Once you don't close the door already, and you just signed Jameis, you just signed Russell Wilson for one-year deals, and then had them sitting on the bench, you know, for no reason.

In case something goes wrong with Jackson Dart,

not wishing any injury on him from that part.

But I think if you're going to go with Russ, go with Russ, if you're going to make a change, make the change to Jameis, allow him to get some reps in to see what he can do.

You know, Jamie could be magic for five, six weeks in a row.

Yeah.

You know, so I mean, I don't know.

It's unfortunate.

I've always felt that Jackson and Dart was going to start sooner rather than later.

Yeah.

Especially if they started out.

This is the worst situation that could have possibly happened is that you're 0-3.

And you know

that fan base.

You know the articles that they write.

You know talk radio, what they say.

They impatient.

It's, it's, it's, uh,

I just, I just didn't see him surviving.

Yeah.

I just, I just, given that team, I didn't see him being able to put together enough wins to keep Jackson Dart on the bench for the entire season.

That's it.

All that, I mean, we can say whatever we want, but I just didn't see with that team, with the offensive line, that

they were going to be able to win enough games.

And we, you know, I gave you the schedule last night.

It is not easy.

Yeah, at all.

It is not easy.

I mean, they got the Eagles twice in a three-week span.

Yeah, that's crazy.

That's crazy.

I don't know, Ojo.

I mean,

Brian Dayball seems to be losing.

Look,

here's the thing.

If I'm Dayball, let me tell you why I go.

Go Jackson Dart.

I drafted

i don't want somebody else to coach him right because guess what's gonna happen oh cho they're gonna fire my ass after this year if this thing don't get turned around yeah oh it's kind of like you put you put somebody through college

and then all of a sudden like you don't get to reap the benefits right you got to be able to reap some benefits from this he's like i developed this guy i like this guy i really got him and then

And somebody else is coaching him?

And the funny thing about it is not only is somebody else is coaching him, whatever coach coach they do bring in what if he's not their guy

who jackson dart yeah

when you come in and they got a first-round draft pick he's your guy because they're gonna ask you what can you do what type of system that you can make sure he flourishes in okay because that's the first thing i want to know because he's the guy we just took a quarterback in the first round oh joe right we're not really trying to go do that we believe that we believe he's got so now Because remember,

how he got the job.

He was the quarterback whisperer.

Right.

So I need another quarterback whisperer to come in.

Josh McDaniels, how did he keep getting jobs?

Oh, he can work with young quarterbacks.

Remember, he got the job

the coach because he was going to work with that.

If I'm not mistaken, it was going to be Andrew Luck.

Turn that down.

And then he goes get the Raiders job.

He's going to be able to work with

Derek Carr.

So when you get this job, look, whomever's coming in,

they're going to ask you,

how are you going to maximize Jackson Dart?

What type of offense are you going to run?

How quarterback friendly is it?

Offense,

what type of offense is this?

That's what they're going to want to know, Ocho.

They just lost to the Chiefs.

They're at home at the Charles.

They

at home versus the Chargers.

And then they're at the Saints.

Then they're at home versus the Eagles, at Broncos, at Eagles, home versus the 49ers, at the Bears,

home versus the Packers, at the Lions.

Boy, that's heavy.

Hey, that's heavy.

And the funny thing about it is, is Day Ball.

I'm not sure if he's on the hot seat, but if he is, if he is on the hot seat, absolutely.

Oh, but listen, he's going to make a quarterback change rather sooner than later.

Because guess how he got

kids get coaches fired, huh?

You know that, huh?

Yes, I do.

You remember how he got the job?

Because he was supposed to work magic with who?

Daniel Jones.

Yeah.

So that was, hey, they saw what he was doing with Josh Allen.

Big kid Daniel Jones, 6'4, 6'5.

Got nice legs.

Can run.

Can move mobile.

I can move the pocket.

I can design runs.

Just quarter.

A, I can do the same thing for Jackson Dart.

Hey, well, listen, if anything, you better make a move now.

You can make a move now.

Listen, to be able to buy yourself some time if you on the hot seat because yeah oh he's on the hot seat for sure listen if you continue to lose games stand standing standing ground on russ you already know what's going to happen yes if you wait too if you wait too long and you don't have any type of success this season you out the door

yeah

yeah so if if i'm if i'm if i'm gonna if i'm lead look i want to go down my way yeah my way is that we got a quarterback that we took in the first round i believe we can coach him up.

Ocho, can you do any worse?

The worst thing you can do in the NFL is lose.

I'm losing with a guy.

Russ is not going to be here next year.

Right.

Do you believe Russ will be on this roster next year?

No, sir.

Do you believe Jackson Dart will be on this roster next year?

Yes, sir.

So you probably should go ahead and play him.

Right.

I mean, Ocho, look,

you took the guy.

They wanted the guy.

Yeah.

I just don't see

Saquon's gone.

I mean, look at what Saquon is doing and did in Philly.

Look at what Daniel, the type of success, Daniel Jones.

And

maybe it's the Giants' organization.

Maybe it's top to bottom.

Maybe they're not

putting in an environment where they can succeed.

I mean, but that's hard to say when Eli Manning was successful, being able to win two Super Bowls.

They got got more talent then than they have now.

And it, you know, Brandon Jacobs running the ball.

I think Tiki, I think they had Tiki running the ball.

So they had, they had some, they had a nice little thing going.

Brandon Jennings.

And then I forget the other guy.

What was the other guy named?

44 running back.

I forget his name.

Maud Brashaw.

Yeah, Maud Brashaw.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Look at that defense.

I mean, they got some nice defensive linemen.

I mean, you know, Stray ain't walking through that door.

Tuck, Ocean.

They're not walking through that door.

Pierce.

They had a nice little squad.

Right now, this is not going to get it done.

It's really that simple.

And you look at that schedule.

Guys, Chargers, Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles, Niners, Bears, Packers, Lions.

Well,

that's a horrible gauntlet to have to go through.

Yeah, Victor Cruz, Plexico.

I mean, look, they got some, look, and I think the thing is also, Ojo, people are looking like, man,

Malik Neighbors

had all those catches last year, all those yards, and the quarterback supposedly weren't near as good as what we got now.

Right.

Why this man got four or five catches?

Why this man all they can't get him can't find ways to get him the ball?

You got to look at that.

Yeah.

Because that's what the fans looking at.

Man, he's one of the top receivers.

Now, he just looked, they got the man looking like a guy.

And we know he's anything but.

Nah, absolutely.

Yeah,

he's not that.

Hey,

you know what?

That also falls on the officer coordinator, too.

Well, that's Brian Dayball.

That falls on him because you know, obviously, as a rookie,

you're going to surprise everybody.

Can you still have the same success when they know you're coming?

That all comes down to officer coordinator, putting your players in position to make the plays.

It's simple.

Every other team that has a number one receiver, they do it extremely well.

The Ram duel, Puka, Nakua.

Goddamn Tampa doing it right now with a mega Buka.

It's possible.

I don't know, Ocho.

I might be tempted to start him at home.

Get a fan something.

Get a fan something to cheer for.

I'm really tempted to start him at home.

Because, do I really want to start him on the road in New Orleans?

I damn sure don't want to start him.

I damn sure don't want to start him against the Eagles.

You don't want to start him on the road against the Broncos because the one thing the Broncos can do, they can get after your quarterback.

After your quarterback, yeah.

Then at the Eagles, 49ers.

Ocho, I'm real tempted to start him this week.

I really am.

Look, I would love for it to be perfect, Ocho.

We have a game.

We have the buy.

I get him an extra week to prepare.

That would be ideal.

Right.

But it is.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm curious when they get to practice Wednesday.

I'm curious to who's taking the first team reps.

That will tell us all we need to know.

I don't know if we're going to get an opportunity to know that.

Oh, we're going to know.

I fly to New York tomorrow.

You ain't going to be able to see the practice.

No, no, but I'm flying to New York tomorrow to do something with Malik Neighbors.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, Wednesday.

So you know, I'm going to be nosy, Unc.

Whatever.

I have to go to the inner Miami, New York FC,

MLS game.

Right.

And what I'm doing is...

for FIFA, well, EAFC 26, and Malik Neighbors is with me.

So, you know, I'm going to be nosy, Unc.

You know, I'm going to ask him.

What what do you think the problem is?

Earlier today, Darius Slayton preached patience with Jackson Dart whenever the Giants decide to turn him over to starting quarterback.

He's talented.

He's shown himself to be able to learn fast.

I think he's capable of being a good NFL quarterback.

If we have a lackluster performance, give him some time, give him some grades.

Don't show up and boo him in a game or two.

If he doesn't do well, I expect him to do well, but I'm just saying, it might not.

Give him time to grow.

Give us time to jail.

Let him be an NFL quarterback.

Let him figure it out

what that is.

Give him a chance to become a good quarterback.

That's something that I feel Daniel Jones probably didn't get a chance to become a good NFL quarterback, which is something Jackson Dart, which that's something that I hope Jackson Dart will get a chance to do if he does get the opportunity to play.

Well, you know what?

Man, look here, bro.

It's always going to be a lot of people.

Ocho, people are not patient anymore.

Those days are over when you could get a quarterback, Ocho, you groom him and think about it.

Steve Young sat behind Joe Montana

87, 88, 89, 90, 91 for five years.

Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Farr for three years.

Yeah.

That ain't happening no more.

It's not.

It's too much money involved.

Right.

Because you take a guy in the first round, Ocho is contract fully guaranteed.

So you don't guarantee guaranteed the guy 20 million.

Now by the third year, I got to make a decision.

Am I about to give this guy 300 million?

Yeah.

So

I've got to find out.

Think about it.

Jordan Love.

Jordan Love saw for two years.

The third year, after he played his third year, Ocho, they got to break him off.

Yeah.

So the days of sitting, oh, Joe, we could sit because the quarterbacks weren't making that kind of money.

Money, exactly.

Exactly.

Nah, money's going to come into play, bro.

Hey, you got to get out there and learn.

You got to learn on the job.

Throw him out there.

Hey, you gotta learn on the job.

Hey, like they do infants.

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throw them out there in the water.

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