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Part two is underway.

You were up close and personal with the rap beef because

in my 1987, we had an intramural basketball team.

And the name of our team was the Juice Crew All-Stars, featuring, oh, my goodness.

Wow.

I wish Mr.

Magic was alive to hear that.

And

I would try to find that shirt because that was the name of Juice Crew All-Stars.

And

I go when I go back and look, bro, y'all were loaded.

Y'all, Cooji rap, EJ Polo, yourself,

Bismarck, Bismarck, MC Shamp,

yes, Glamorous, Debbie, Marley Maul, Master Ace, Craig G, yeah, tragedy.

Yeah.

How y'all, how did all y'all come together?

Well,

I mean, I would, I would, um.

Because that's kind of where you got your start, right?

Yeah, I would credit that to Fly Tie and Marley Maul.

Okay.

You know.

Did you realize that you were a part of something special then?

Absolutely.

You did.

You knew it.

Well, I mean, Mr.

Magic was the official voice of hip-hop radio.

Okay.

You know?

Like, he's the person that broke hip-hop records.

And I'm part of his crew.

Right.

So I don't have to wait outside BLS.

Yeah.

You know, this is a new joint.

I'm part of the crew.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Right.

Yeah.

So I knew I was part of something special.

Lyricist.

You mentioned 1986, Rock Him thinking of a master plan, but ain't nothing but side my hand.

So I

that song

that

took rap

to another level because at that point in time, nobody had ever really sounded like him.

I mean, he was very methodical.

You could hear every

word he said, you could hear it.

it wasn't no this now can i don't know

i think that what rockem did was

brought lyricism back into the game

because um you know it's like it was to me the most important mc ever is mellie mel

okay you know um

because i feel like you know cats in the 70s was basically trying to either sound like

DJ Hollywood,

Eddie Chiba, or Love Bug Starsky.

And Melie Mel is the one that presented lyricism.

He started lyricism in the game.

Was it the message?

We need to go to the message.

No, no, no, no.

Long before that.

Yeah.

And it was like, you know, when he did that, I think it made people start really paying more attention to the MC.

Because back then, it was really all about the DJ, Flash,

Africa Bamba.

Yep.

Cool hurt.

you know, Breakout.

It was about the DJ, you know.

I think Melie Mel gave the MC an identity because he put lyricism in it, you know?

So it's like he created something

that gave us an identity, but then as we started making records in 79 and stuff, you know, the records have more of a party feel.

So the focus wasn't really on

the lyricism.

And then like when Rock Him come in, 86, he brought it back to that.

Yes, you know.

But he felt that you took, uh, you rapped about a song, and he's uh, I see leaders and I laugh, and he thought you was taking a shot at him.

Say, what?

Yeah, I was, I was, uh, he thought you were sublimely dissing him in a song by saying, I see leaders and I laugh.

Nah, um,

what happened was

he, um,

what was the line he had?

Uh,

Word to Daddy.

It was a diss song.

No, no, no.

He had, um, I think it's Follow Leader.

He had a song for Follow Literally and he said, Word to Daddy, indeed.

I took it as a diss s

you know, so I did write, you know, a line,

but what happened was one night, because you got to say that, Eric B.

Brother was my road manager.

Okay.

So, like, me and Eric, you know, was solid, you know.

So, this girl got in the car one night, and she gave me a photo.

And the photo said, Dear Kane, I want to set it off and get RAW.

Ain't no half-stepping because I'm going to break your raft in half.

So, when I saw it, because at the same time you talk about that, they were saying that Rock Kim had a song called Break the Raft in Half.

Just in me.

Oh, okay.

So,

I gave a a picture to Eric brother.

And he's like, yo, what you mean by break the raft in half?

And she like,

oh, yeah, Eric got this here song.

I mean, Eric and Rakem got this song called Break the Raff in Half, Trying to Dish You.

I heard it, and he's like, you heard it?

Yeah, he played it for me on Jamaica Avenue.

And I'm sitting there crying, laughing.

I'm crying, laughing.

Like, and every time I'm looking at Eric Brother Ant, you know, we just start laughing.

Right.

So finally, the girl, she looks at Aunt.

She's like, yo, why he keep looking at you and laughing?

Saying, what you work with Eric or something?

And Ant was like, no, I live with him, bitch.

That's my brother.

Wow.

And she said, well, you know how niggas talk.

So Ant was like,

yo, it's going too far.

Right.

Y'all need to talk.

Right.

Would you talk to him?

I'm like, I don't care.

So he called Rakem, put him on the phone.

And,

but Rakem.

See, you telling me new stuff.

I never, he never mentioned that line.

When we talked on the phone, he asked me about saying when I said rap soloist, you don't want none of this.

I'll set it off.

And I was like, no, no, no.

I'm saying that I'm a rap soloist, competition don't want none of this.

Right.

Because he had a song where he said, and you know that I'm the soloist.

Right.

So I was claring it up.

Like, nah, nah.

I said, I'm the rap soloist.

Competition don't want none of this.

Anybody that Rhyme alone is a rap soloist.

Right.

And he was like, oh, okay.

And I'm not talking about anybody in particular.

Yeah, I'm saying I'm rap totalist.

No, well, when I'm saying competition, whoever can get it.

You know, but I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying.

But you were saying, I'm not specifically talking about you, Rocky.

I'm talking about me.

Right.

I was calling myself a rap soloist.

Right.

Not saying that you a rap soloist.

You don't want none of this.

So he's a oh, okay.

And I'm like, well, what about this word to daddy indeed?

Like, that sound, I mean, I'm Big Daddy Kane.

Yeah,

that sounds like you're coming from.

And he was like, nah, you know, other cats say, you know, word to mommy in Long Island.

We say word to daddy.

That's like, you know, just that's our slang.

I'm like, oh, okay, my bad.

And that was that.

That was the end of it.

That was end of it.

Ever since then, we've been cool.

Why can't guys do that today?

I don't know.

I don't know.

You see how you just got to, hey, picking up the phone?

Because everybody know everybody.

If I don't know you personally, I know your manager.

I know somebody close to you.

And then I can pick up the phone and say, man, look here, man, this is foolish.

This is ridiculous.

Man,

let's talk this thing on.

Hey, bro, check this out, man.

Well, that was a fortunate situation because, like I said, you know, me and Eric was cool.

Right.

And his brother was my road manager.

So his brother, you know, orchestrated it where, like, you know, let me get him.

That thing could have gone a lot of different ways had that not been the case, Docaine, because you probably would have responded.

Well, yeah, I did.

I mean, yeah, I had the line, but you know, once we talked, I took it out, and he told me that he had some stuff that you know he took out.

So, you know, we were good, right?

This is mixed, probably 50-50.

Beefs, this, are they good or are they bad for rap?

I think that

they're

bad

for

careers.

I think they're good for MCs.

I mean, I'm a battle rapper.

So I love,

you know,

You love that one-on-one.

You love the back of your pants.

Yeah, because it keeps you on your toes.

Right.

Oh, he said said what?

Oh,

you know, it keeps as an MC, it keeps you on your toes.

Career-wise, it can be career-ending and

it can cause someone's death or, you know, someone's seriously getting hurt because the fans can take it too far.

It's not the individual, it's the people around the individual.

Show you right.

And now, if we're just going to keep this thing on wax, I'm cool with it.

Yeah.

Long as it don't bleed into reality.

Yeah.

That's the problem that you have.

Because we saw Jay-Z and Nas battle it, and now they're cool.

Yeah.

I don't know if Big and Pac would have been cool.

I doubt that.

I don't.

I doubt that.

Because sometimes you have a line, you go too far.

You talk about

that man.

I'm not going to get into that, but

I doubt

we can resolve that.

Let me ask you this.

Can Drake and Kendrick come back?

I think so.

I think so.

I think so.

I mean, I know some crazy things was, well, there were some crazy allegations,

but, you know.

On both sides.

Yeah, but I mean,

if none were proven, then you can get, I think you can get past it.

Move past it.

Yeah.

How'd you meet Hove?

There were these guys in Queens called the Shirt Kings.

And one of them, they made spray paint shirts.

And one of them asked me about doing a mixtape with Jazzo.

And I was like, all right, yeah, we do it.

So we went to Brooklyn to my man Fresh Gordon crib.

He's supposed to be doing this mixtape.

And then Jazzo was like, yo, can my man rhyme on the tape too?

And that was Jay-Z.

So we did.

How old was he at this time?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know how old he was.

I mean, because I think Jay is like a year and a half younger than me.

So, I mean, I don't know, could have been 20, 19, I don't know.

But he asked, could his man rhyme on the tape?

And I was like, yeah.

So we did the tape.

And then when we was riding back to my crib, my man Nike from the Shirt Kings, he's like, yo, we really wanted you to do this because we want you to help, you know, to get Jazz another deal.

And, you know, I was like,

honestly, I kind of like the lights can do better.

I'm working with him.

You know, and that's how, you know, we connected.

Right.

You know, and

we started, you know, working on stuff.

We was working on music and, you know, I was shopping his music, you know, the different labels and things of that nature.

And then I ended up doing the feels like another one with Patty LaBelle.

Right.

And while we were on tour, you know, I'm noticing that

Patty is doing outfit changes.

So I'm like, I'm fascinated.

And I'm I'm like, oh, nobody in hip-hop doing this.

Oh, I can't wait to get back out on the road.

So when I finished the tour with Patty, went back out on my tour, I grabbed Jay-Z and another rapper by the name of Positive K.

You know, he had a big song called.

Paz K.

Yeah, I got a man, yeah.

So I grabbed both of them and brought them on the road.

What your man got to do with me?

So you rappers.

Yeah.

I brought them both on the road with me, and like I would let them come out and perform in the middle of my show while I do outfit changes.

Okay.

So him and Jay-Z would be on stage rapping.

Yeah.

Did you know

when you heard this 19, 20, 21-year-old Hove rapping, did you ever think he'd become this?

No.

No.

I mean, it's crazy.

Because, see, there's one thing about Jay that I didn't really understand until much later.

Because

Paz

would be in the room or in the studio and very much involved.

Source Money would be in the room or in the studio, very much involved.

Jay would always be quiet.

Yes.

That's the story everybody tells.

So it was the type of thing where I'm like, you know, you gotta,

you know, you make your presence felt.

You gotta, so I didn't see it.

But what I didn't understand was that Jay was being quiet for a reason.

Jay studies everything.

Like years later, I've started thinking about all types of stuff.

Numerous nights when he would point out something I did on stage, mention it, oh, you're a real funny dude, the way you did such and such.

He noticed everything.

So he was sitting there studying, you know, and I think that that attribute, you know, to his greatness.

Writing.

It's funny that

you said that real MCs write their own verse, but some of the great songs that's been recorded by the MC, or I guess they can't call them an MC if you don't write, has been

written by someone else.

Yeah, there's a lot of great songs that that were written by other people.

But I mean, that's normal in the music industry.

Now,

not when you were coming up.

Did you guys?

Well, I mean, I wrote most of Biz Marquee first album.

Okay.

You know, I mean, I've written for other people.

You know, there were artists, yeah, there were artists

that wrote big songs for other people.

Right.

But it was, you know, really ghostwriting, real, real ghostwriting.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you're not really a ghostwriter if you wrote a song for somebody and tell them.

You tell them about it

that I wrote that.

Bro, that's not a ghost.

A ghost is supposed to be something that you can't see.

You tell it be.

Yeah, so it is, it happened back then.

But I mean, now it's standard practice.

Why do you think Jay got turned down by so many labels?

You know what?

If I sat and told you some of the stuff that people said to me when I played their demo, you know,

what did it say?

I mean,

I'm not going to go into it because I don't want nobody running with it, you know what I'm saying, turning into nothing negative, man.

But I mean, the stuff that people said, but I'm going to say this, Shannon, I'm going to say this.

I'm glad.

I'm glad they turned him down.

For the simple fact that at that point in time, that's when Jay-Z was doing that

that real fast rappers yeah that was a a fad in hip-hop

and it didn't last long you know I'm saying so had he came out doing that he may have been successful for a year or two right and then he would have faded out with that style He came out right time talking about the right stuff doing the right thing and he ended up having amazing state power so I'm glad I couldn't get him a deal.

I think that what he did years later with Dame Dash and Irv Gotti and whoever else, that's what was supposed to happen.

And I'm so happy for him to see him be successful.

Nas, you have a lot of respect for Nas and he's another great lyricist that explains things and can talk.

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What's your favorite NAS story?

My favorite NAS story

would be probably when we first met.

It was at a unique studio,

and I told him how much I love Elmatic.

And he asked me, well,

what do you think is wrong with it?

I'm like, nothing.

I'm like, you know how people be saying this is a five-mic album.

A lot of times, nah, it might be a four-mic, might be a four and a half mic, but you got a five-mic album.

The album is amazing.

I don't think anything is wrong with it.

But he wouldn't let it go.

He would not let it go.

He just kept, but, but I'm saying, like, what do you think I should have did, you know, different?

I'm like, I don't think you should have did anything different.

I think it's, but, but, what would you have done different?

I'm like,

I mean, me, I would have probably had one song on there for the ladies, at least, right?

But you, not me, right?

You did what you supposed to do, and it's amazing, you know.

But I mean, it was just, it was like, yo, won't you just let it go and be great, man, and leave it alone, man.

This album is amazing.

Right.

You don't, there's nothing you should have did different.

I think the fact that he has so much respect for you and to hear you say that and it's like, let me just make sure he ain't just saying that because I'm standing here in front of him.

Let me try it a different way.

Okay, the album was good.

You say it's five mics.

No, I didn't say it was good.

I said it was great.

Yeah.

Five mics.

But if you would have done it, okay, you would have did.

Oh, so you said my next album I should have one song for the ladies?

He had Eric B call me, I think maybe a year or two later, he had Eric B call me.

I'm, I was at a car dealership, and he had Eric B call me, and he's like, Yo, Nas want to holler at you.

He puts him on, he's like, Yo, I did one for the you, you heard the old me back?

I did one for the ladies.

Like,

don't excited about it.

But I mean, it was like, you know, yo, Elmatic is a masterpiece.

Yes, you know, that's like one of my favorite hip-hop albums of all time.

This is just not in the rap industry, this is in almost every industry.

Do you feel this younger generation gives the older generation the respect?

Like Nas and Jay-Z, like they respect you and you respect the others.

Do you feel this younger draft generation gives the

adequate respect to the older generation?

Nah, not at all.

But I mean, you know,

I don't blame them.

You know,

it's what they're taught.

You know?

Like,

the word irrelevant carries a lot of weight in the music industry today.

It's a word that's thrown around on social media a whole lot.

So it's been instilled in the younger generation head.

So I don't blame the young kids.

I just think that we have to figure out a way to bridge the gap because I would love to see, you know, even if it's not my generation, even if it's the Eminem Kanye generation, artists from that era, talking with these young cats, giving them game, don't do this, don't do that, watch out for that.

Don't sign something that says, you know, I would love to see that, you know, to try to help them, you know.

But no, the respect is not there because it's like, you know,

it's things that's instilled in the younger generation mind.

What's Kane's responsibility to this younger generation?

My responsibility is to try to educate them.

I have a documentary.

or excuse me docu series called paragraphs i manifest it's talking about the importance of lyricism in hip-hop.

And the reason why I really wanted to do this is so the younger generation can see how important lyrics are.

To see how when you focus on the lyrics, your song can have state power and touch someone's heart.

Your song can last for years upon years because of the way this person felt about what you said.

And it's called Paragraphs I Manifest.

It features J.

Cole, Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z,

MC Light, Lady London,

Eminem,

Common, several, you know, yeah.

Travis Scott recently went viral.

He said, I swear to you, ONs, kill me, no my YNs feel me, talking about push or T.

What are your thoughts on that line?

Because,

and I hate it.

I've never had a problem, Kane.

Because I understand where I am today, there had to be people before me to stand in these very shoes that that wasn't as prosperous, that didn't get the attention, that didn't get the notoriety, that didn't make the money that I make.

And so, it's my job to pay homage for those that happened to be born at a time in which the money wasn't what it is.

So, I never had a problem giving people credit.

Never, never.

I think these young guys, I mean, for whatever reasons, yeah,

that's irrelevant.

But the question is:

40 years from now, will you still be relevant?

Because at one point in time, I stood in your shoes.

And I don't think people realize that.

I got a t-shirt that says, I'm the age that I used to think was old.

Can I remix your statement?

Go ahead.

10 years from now, will you still be relevant?

10, wow.

We don't need 40.

We need a decade.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because the lifespan today of an artist is usually about eight months.

Wow.

So I guess you better get everything you can in those eight months

because you're not promised another eight months.

Exactly.

Wow.

Another young rapper that's always giving you respect is Eminem.

He's an anomaly.

He's to rap what Tiger Woods was to golf.

He came in

and

his wordplay, his cadence, all that.

But

he's one of these guys that's never had a problem showing the older generation respect.

Eminem

is a student of the game.

He is an amazing student of the game.

And

without trying to tell too much, in my documentary, He pointed out something that I did that I never paid attention to.

Wow.

Like after the interview, I went back and started listening to artists, you know, before me to see if someone else did this because he was pointing out that I'm the first person he ever heard do this.

And I'm like, it had to have been someone before me.

Like, he's a student of the game that way.

He got deep in it.

Yeah.

But, you know, I'm going to tell you, man,

M is an amazing artist.

Super talented, super lyrical.

But I think the thing

I think is so dope about M ⁇ M is like,

you know, when hip-hop began, you know, this was, we're talking about a New York thing,

right?

Yeah.

Okay.

All of a sudden, you got NWA talking about straight out of Compton.

Yeah.

Now it's on the West Coast.

You hearing about a West Coast hood.

You know what I'm saying?

That ain't our hood.

You know, we don't do that in New York.

But you hearing about, you know, the lowriders and all this.

but you're learning about the hood in the west coast.

Correct.

Got the ghetto boys, you know, talking about you know, the wards and whatnot.

You know, and like now you're hearing about you know the Texas, the hood in Texas, you know.

Yep, ATL, they talk about, you know, you know, I mean, Lil Wayne, Master P talking about New Orleans.

You know, it's like you're hearing about these hoods in all these different regions, right?

Eminem

talked about his hood, talked about eight mile,

but

he not talking about, you know,

the projects in Detroit.

He talking about trailer park stuff.

He talking about white hood shit.

Yep.

You know what I'm saying?

Yep.

I thought that that was just so dope.

You know what I'm saying?

Because

this is white ghetto stuff.

You know what I'm saying?

That we're learning about.

I'm like, yo.

This is so dope.

And I respect him for that because he wasn't trying to pretend to be something he wasn't.

he talked about his hood

you know what i'm saying where he grew up at yeah his life experiences yeah so i mean i have a lot of respect for m man what what did m get right that vanilla ice got wrong

i think that last part i said

but

but i mean hey man you know vanilla ice you know he put that song bad hey yeah he became very successful he had a you know a mega hit i mean this dude had a movie you know you know you know he had you know one hit and they they they they do had a movie.

I mean, so he did his thing, man.

So salute to Fidel Ice, man.

Hip-hop.

Is hip-hop dying?

Is hip-hop dying?

I don't think that hip-hop is dying.

Because what you got to understand

is that

when hip-hop first started,

it was nothing but block parties wasn't on wax yes it was just block parties

so looking at what's going on right now

when they have those type of

hip-hop festivals or intimate hip-hop events

you know you're hearing that that classic material

You know that that that you know that defines what hip-hop is really about right so I don't know Maybe, I don't think it's dying.

Maybe it's going back to where it's supposed to be.

Right.

You know?

What is the substance?

Because you talked about like how M spoke about things that he experienced.

He wasn't trying to be somebody else.

Yeah.

He talked about the trailer parks.

That's where he grew up.

That's what he knew.

That's what he experienced.

He talked about his mother's situation.

He talked about things that were there.

It seems like now the substance is, is that the hot thing is, let's talk about this, even though I haven't experienced it.

Oh, you say, even though I haven't experienced it, no, I'm saying that's what the rap is now.

Oh, yeah, a lot of rappers are rapping about, bro.

You're not no gangster.

Yeah.

In the studio, you is, but you are, but not in reality.

Yeah, but I mean, you know, we live in you know a social media world, so it's like whatever's trending, whatever topic, you know what I'm saying, yeah, whatever's trending.

That's you know,

like I um

I was leaving um

I was at, I can't remember where I was, I was in Vegas, wherever, I was, I had my fedora case with me.

Yeah.

I'm checking it at the airport.

And the lady at the airport talking,

oh, okay, you got your cowboy hat.

You got your boots and your luggage.

I'm like, nah, sweetheart, my boots ain't on the ground.

That's just a regular fedora.

It's not a cowboy hat.

Right.

But, you know, that's what's trending.

You know what I'm saying?

Right now, that's what's trending.

So everybody and their mama coming out to the concert with California.

Cowboys in the hat.

You know what I'm saying?

It's whatever's trending.

Yeah.

Dre called a stir.

He said, UK rappers are better than USA rappers lyrically.

I'm just saying, like, Kane, see, you looking at me, man.

I ain't got no.

Oh, you wanted me to respond?

Yeah, yeah, I ain't got but one head, man.

I ain't got one head.

You looking at me like I had three heads.

He said that.

I feel that

with the amount of success that Drake has had in this game,

he's entitled to his opinion.

You know, in fact,

I'm sorry.

I think that everything, everybody is entitled to their opinion.

You know, that's the beautiful thing about an opinion.

Everyone can have one.

Whether I agree or disagree, you agree or disagree, everybody's entitled to have an opinion.

correct you know but i mean if that's what drake feel hey man go ahead homie

you were a trendsetter because you had the high top fade you dressed you had the rags on how did you determine what was your persona going to be on the stage

um

well like as i was as i was saying earlier you know like you know you see like the pimps and the hustlers pull up and the deuces

i saw how all the other kids in the neighborhood gravitated to that.

That was a look.

You know what I'm saying?

And then my pops was a fancy dresser.

Okay.

My pops wore three four-piece suits, you know, Persian lamb coats, you know,

the duster.

That's the four-piece.

Yeah, okay.

I saw you do.

Yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah, nah, the pants, the vest, blazer, and the duster.

Okay.

That's the four-piece.

But, you know,

I saw,

you know, this is what I saw.

Like, for example,

I did Arsenio Hall,

and they had built a whole set with garbage cans and graffiti and all this stuff.

And I had them tear it down.

And I told them to put some of that sexy shit back up, like how you had it when I was here with Quincy.

Right.

You know?

It wasn't

because I was against graffiti or the street.

It was because it's like me as a kid, I'm used to seeing, you know, the pimps, the hustlers pull up with fur coats on, that type of stuff.

And when we went to block parties, we put on the alpaca sweaters, the mock necks, the British Walker shoes.

You know, we wanted to look fly.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

I mean,

I didn't actually see breakdancing until the movie Wild Style came out.

Wow.

I mean, like, I mean, actually on the street.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

I didn't actually, you know, see it.

So it was like, I'm like, that's not the background that I'm affiliated.

It's hip-hop.

Right.

It's hip-hop.

It's, you know, one of the, graffiti is one of the elements of hip-hop.

But I mean, it's it's like that's not what we did on Lewis Avenue where I came from.

So I wanted to represent my hood.

You understand?

Yep.

Fashion today.

What do you like or dislike about what you see today?

Because you know LL was in a sweatsuit had his shirt off had you know had a track suit on take his shirt off big gold chain run DMC had the Dider's outfit the shell toes fat shoestrings.

It all depends.

Are you, I mean, are you still you still, well, yeah, I'm sure.

I mean, look how you come today.

You come in white pants, red sweater, you know, LB kicks.

So you still a fashion icon.

You still into fashion like that, right?

Do you like the way fashion is headed?

You see kind of where it's going now?

I'm going to say this.

I feel that we, as the black youth,

were trendsetters.

We were trendsetters.

You know?

And not just the artists.

Shout out to Dapper Dan,

April Walker, Carl Kanai.

We were the Shabazz brothers.

We were all trendsetters.

And I think that now I see

a lot of younger cats catering to,

you know,

what's popular on Fashion Week as opposed to your own creativity.

Correct.

You know what I'm saying?

Taking those hood elements and mixing them together, making them look fly.

Especially if you're a rich artist.

Right.

Because

you can take it to

a whole nother level because you got the money to do so to become that trendsetter.

You know, when Dapper Dan

took the job at

Gucci,

you know,

all he had to do was just remake the stuff he was making in the 80s.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

That Gucci never made.

Right.

You see what I'm saying?

So, I mean, it's like, you know, I feel like you have that power to just grab those street elements, that stuff that you know

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I can get together and create a look.

How did you become a ladies' man?

The hell have I know, Shiny?

I just rode with it, man.

Yeah, I know you rode with it because you had two shows at the Apollo that sold out for women only.

Yes, sir.

I only know two other artists, only one other artist that I know of, Teddy Pendergrass, used to have only.

That's where we got the idea from.

It was an idea from a lady that worked at Warner Brothers, Ife Kiera.

And we,

yeah, we decided to do two shows at the Apollo for ladies only.

Because she broke it down, because she went to the Teddy Show.

So she was like, so

she was like, well, you know, he had teddy bears in every seat that said, you know, hug on Teddy.

So I was like, okay, we got to flip that.

Put

candy canes in every seat.

Let it say, suck on Kane.

That's what we did.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember his documentary where

he was telling that story, part of it.

And then,

man,

do you think, I mean, think about it, Kane, a rapper,

sold out shows, women only.

A rapper,

two sold out shows, women only.

Is that possible today?

Drake.

You think Drake could do it?

Hell yeah.

Hell yeah.

But you were the first.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rap-wise, yeah, I was the first.

But I mean, Drake, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, you know, you know, dude has a massive crowd.

He has so many hits for the ladies.

Yes.

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Drake could do it.

How do you even get into modeling?

I can't remember whether it was April Walker or,

oh man, I can't remember who it was who asked me to wear this stuff on the runway.

And

like, I was in my zone.

I was in my zone.

And honestly, I was nervous because I know how my bop walk is.

And I didn't want to do that on the runway.

And what I did, because I remember when I told them afterwards, they was cracking up laughing.

I was like,

the whole time, even though that house music stuff was playing or whatever was playing, the whole time, I was humming the bass line to Richard Pryor, which way is up while I was walking.

That's what I was humming in my head so that I'd walk straight, you know.

Yeah.

And that, wow, yeah.

Anytime I was on the runway, that's what I would do.

But you was also offered an opportunity to be in Playgirl.

No, no, no.

You took it?

Yeah, we went for it.

Caitlin, we went for it.

It started as a joke.

Right.

The publicist from Warner Brothers, Gene Shelton.

Okay.

He had just gotten me an Essence magazine.

And he was like, man,

young blood, I've done.

So many things for you and your rap career that I never thought I could do for no rap artist, man.

You know, like, I'm having so much fun working with you.

Like, we done, and we done been in Jet magazine, we done been, you know,

like, we done did everything.

Yeah.

Um,

you know, I was, he's like, ain't nothing left, you know.

Um, I was like, and I'm just, I just made a joke.

I was like,

listen, like, you like Playboy magazine.

He's like, you mean play girl?

I'm like, yeah, yeah, play girl.

I was like, let's go do something like that.

And we laughed, and then we looked at each other.

You were laughing, don't go,

you were dead ass.

Shit, let's do it.

You know, yeah.

madonna asked you to uh to pose for a sex books yeah

um

warner brothers sent us on a promotional tour okay myself madonna color me bad

and um

we were like going to like you know upscale hospitals you know you like um

like the patients in there were like you know young white kids they didn't really know who i was right and you know uh madonna is sitting there talking to me.

You know who that is?

That's Big Daddy Kane.

He's a famous rapper.

Here, let me hear you say, ain't no half star.

And I'm like, Madonna, no, my shit.

Oh,

wow.

I'm bugging, man.

So afterwards, we outside and I'm like, hey, thank you so much, you know, for acknowledging me.

I appreciate that.

And then she was like, no, no, no,

she's like,

listen, I'm doing a book.

It's just photographs, photographs, not talking, just photographs.

I would love to have you involved.

I would be honored.

And she was like, but it's

probably going to be real racy, like nude photos.

I was like, shit, even better.

Let's do it.

Even better.

Yeah.

But let me tell you how real Madonna

was, babe.

I mean, it was like...

The day started off so much fun where I'm like, okay, yeah, this is the place to be.

This is cool.

Okay.

When I got to the the set, Madonna comes running across the room, butt-ass naked.

Game,

so glad you made it.

Let me tell you, I was just standing outside in the middle of the street, in between the divider, just like this, no clothes on, with my thumb out, taking photos, but not one single car stopped.

Can you believe that?

Fucking Madonna, nobody stopped for me.

I'm like, oh yeah, this is going to be an amazing day, right?

I'm like, this day is going to be amazing because she on 10 already.

I'm like, yo, yeah, she's wilding already.

I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be fun.

Do you believe there's a rapper today that could do Playgirl or do a sex book

photos like what Madonna did?

I think that there's rappers today that's coming from doing that to become a rapper

movies

Brown Sugar, you also an equalizer with Queen Latifah.

Is that something you wish you had partaken in more?

Yeah.

Yeah, I wish I would have

stayed

focused on that and

continued pursuing my film career.

I think that

I could have done a whole lot more, had a much bigger impact

But I mean you know hey man, you know it ain't too late.

You know, I mean, you know look how you know what age Morgan Freeman was when he made his bones.

So you know it ain't too late.

It's not because I remember he was easy reader in Electric Company.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

That's what that's what I do.

And then the next thing you know, I get older, hear the movie.

I was like, hold on, that's easy reader.

Yeah.

But I mean, right now at this hit point,

I probably would more focus on, you know, my son, you know, his film career.

Because I truly believe that he's more of a natural than I am.

Right.

He just got it.

You have it.

Yeah.

Okay.

You then Dave Chappelle's block party.

What was that experience like?

I mean, to actually see Dave Chappelle in his element.

Yeah.

I mean, when I saw the movie, I was upset about so much funny stuff that didn't make the movie.

Crazy I heard him say, you know, while we were there, you know, filming.

But it was great to be a part of it because

Dave Chappelle is that dude right now.

He is.

I think he is, you know, the best comedian of today.

And he's such a hip-hop fan

and knowledgeable.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

Yes.

Knowledgeable.

He knows.

He knows the history.

So, you know, I have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

And I thank him so much for, you know, including me in that.

Your song was featured in Grand Theft Auto, Sandreas.

I mean,

when you hear your music and things like that, how does that make you feel?

I mean, it's amazing because you got to understand,

these are kids.

Yes.

And it's like you're saying, this is Big Daddy Kane, and it's like,

who?

And then they find, they hear Warming Up Kane, and then,

that's you?

Oh, I know that from Grand Theft.

You know, so, you know i'm saying it it it it gives me that feeling of um

uh of my girl yeah there's children today that know my girl from top to bottom but don't know the temptations correct you know what i mean

yeah

women rappers i mean you you the exception uh you mentioned uh

roxane shante

um

Give me give me your give me your five.

I mean, there's great ones.

They're not, and you know, you're probably going to tick some people off because you have when you say five of anything, that means you leave something off.

Give me your five women's rappers.

That's right, that's why I'm not gonna give you my five.

But

I will say that

some of my favorites

I'm gonna try to go from

then to now

would be

Shirock, Debbie D,

Roxanne Shantae,

Salt and Pepper, Queen Latifah, MC Light,

Eve,

Foxy Kim,

Lady of Rage, Lady of Rage.

If you call

Lauren Hill a rapper, I like to because she's a monster with the bars.

Yes, yes.

I'd say Lauren Hill,

Lady London, Lola Brooke.

I'm probably forgetting a few, but yeah.

Who that said, I forget who said it, that he believes.

female rappers are becoming oversexualized.

Well, I mean,

it's like, you know,

that's what

they did to them back in the days, you know what I'm saying, trying to force them, you know, to be sexy.

That's one of the main things that, you know,

I've always respected about Queen Latifah.

Right.

You know, she was like, I'm going to keep it Afrocentric and I'm going to be the queen.

I'm not putting that tight shit on.

You know, I'm, you know.

That's something about Queen Latifah I've always respected.

Yes.

She did it her way.

Queen has always been the queen.

I mean, you meet her, I mean, you meet her behind the scenes, in front, she's the queen.

Yeah,

bro.

I need to know.

We

you got me in North Carolina.

You from you from you from Brooklyn, New York.

There could not be anything more different

than Brooklyn, New York, than North Carolina.

How?

Why?

Well,

you know,

yeah, I'm from Brooklyn, best-style Brooklyn.

But I hadn't lived there since 1987.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean,

I said the same thing that Biggie said when I first made a record.

I ain't never leaving the hood.

But then I realized that I had to.

You had to.

You know what I'm saying?

I I felt like I wanted to be here with my people.

You know what I'm saying?

We're going to walk this walk together.

But then I realized that, you know, your people start looking at you differently.

Differently.

So, you know,

I hadn't lived

in the hood since 87.

I moved to Jamaica Estates in Queens.

Okay.

So I was, you know, in like...

kind of like a suburban area almost, you know, and

I had a lot of friends in Long Island that lived in the real, real suburbs.

You know what I'm saying?

So when I came down here in the 90s and did a show, because like my family is from South Carolina.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

You know,

dirt roads and stuff like that.

You know, people don't know you and walk up and be like, well, your name is.

You know what I'm saying?

That's where, you know, where I spent my summers in South Carolina.

So when I came to North Carolina and saw that, nah, this ain't country.

you know, this laid back,

yeah, it looked just like Long Island, raised a family.

I was like, I could actually live here, right?

And I did it.

Wow.

When you were growing up, did you want to do anything else other than music?

Did you want to play sports?

Did you think that basketball or any like a sport was going to be your avenue out of the hood?

Um,

I played uh

basketball in the seventh grade.

Um,

but you know,

I got

kicked off the team and out the school.

So, what the hell you do, Kane?

I did something bad.

How you tell your mom, how you tell your mom you got kicked out of school?

You go home and tell your mom or your grandma or your parents.

How you tell them, I ain't gonna be able to go to school tomorrow.

I don't know when I'm gonna be able to go to school again.

Nah, I,

you know,

I

explained, you know, what I was upset about.

And, you know,

she understood where I was coming from, but it was like, you know, like, you still shouldn't have did that.

You should have, still shouldn't have handled it that way.

Right.

You should have just, you know.

So, you know, it was what it was.

And we ended up going to a different school.

And

by the time, you know,

I got to like,

like finish eighth grade, I wanted to be an MC.

So sports didn't matter anymore.

Yeah.

Because see, like I said, when I said like in the 70s, when I saw Master D, I wanted to be a DJ.

Right.

So that's how I started.

I was like DJ Sir Romeo.

And someone broke in my grandmother's crib, stole my turntables.

Well, you're not a DJ anymore.

Yeah.

So I became, you know,

Tony T.

Okay.

Yeah.

Glad I left that name alone, right?

I became, yeah, I became Tony T.

And, you know,

when I became MC Kane, you know, that's when I started, you know, really like focusing, you know, honing on the craft of that, you know.

But I mean, so I wasn't really thinking about basketball anymore.

So you're a Knicks or Hornets fan now?

Nicks.

Come on, man.

I mean, you.

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With Michael Jordan come and drop 55 on the Knicks, he got to leave with a 34D on his eye.

That's where I come from.

You know, I come from Oakley, Anthony Mason,

Patrick Ewan.

Yeah.

Come on, man.

Charles.

That legacy alone.

Yeah, that legacy alone.

Got to love the Knicks, man.

Regardless of who come afterwards, just for what they, they was gangsters.

So you a Giants or a Jets fan?

I don't watch football.

You don't watch.

You don't watch football game?

Nah, man.

No disrespect about that.

Nah, damn.

Can I just explain?

Yeah.

All right.

And again, no disrespect.

But it was like...

I couldn't wait to go to a Super Bowl party because I'm always hearing about them.

Right.

So finally I go and we sitting there, finally gonna watch a football game.

We watching and the cameras zoomed in on a dude ass in Spandex

and all sudden a play happens and everything happened in like five seconds.

It's over.

Back to the dude ass in Spandex.

I'm like, and this is what y'all watch all day?

I'm like, I can't do it.

I'm good.

How about?

Yeah.

I just couldn't do it.

I just couldn't do it.

Yeah, I just couldn't do it.

I didn't, because you're like with basketball, you see them running up and up and down.

Yeah.

You know, the court, you know,

even like hockey.

You know,

it was like, I just felt like,

nah, I can't watch this.

Yeah.

You use a lot of boxing references in your songs.

You're boxing.

Clearly, you got to be a boxing fan.

I guess it's that.

That's my favorite sport.

That's your favorite sport.

Yeah.

Who's your favorite boxer?

Ali.

Like, that's how I use a lot of Ali stuff to win battles.

Because, you know, you're going to somebody else's turf.

Yes.

So already, like, when I go there, I want to make him uncomfortable on his own turf.

Or I want to make his boys be into me.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I want his boys to be like, you know,

to like what I'm saying.

Ooh.

You know?

Yeah.

Because, you know, they dare to boo me anyway.

Right.

Because they would with this guy.

You know?

You got Camelo or you got bud?

I want to say,

I want to say, bud,

I can't really say

until I see the weight.

Right.

I can't really say until I see the weight.

Right.

But I mean,

just

off of like so far what I've been putting together, I would say, fuck, wow, that's

you were really close with Biz.

Biz passed away with type 2 diabetes.

I think Irv Gotti

had diabetes, and you become very, very health conscious.

When did you start prioritizing your health?

Because, I mean, obviously, like I said, you were very close with Biz.

I mean, I was, you know, with that,

way, way,

way prior.

You know, like, when I started learning, you know, like what, how long beef stays in your system.

You know, like, that was like 87 when I stopped eating beef.

You know.

Really?

Yeah.

So you chicken, turkey, fish?

I stopped eating chick.

I stopped eating poultry, period, in 89.

Just pescatarian.

So you pescatarian, okay.

So you pescatarian, you pescatarian before it was even in vogue.

I mean, now, you know, you pescatarian, you vegan, or, you know, whatever the case may be.

But yeah, yeah, since 89, yeah.

Wow.

You were a

member or you were in the 5%er.

What did you learn from your time in that?

I mean, you know,

I still frame 5%.

You know what I mean?

It's like,

I mean, well, first of all, knowledge yourself.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

Understanding who you are as a black man

and your power, how much power you have, you know?

and um you know I mean so that's that's one of the main things but then also you know

how to you know try to deal in equality with others you know I'm saying how to try to deal in equality and try to bring others up and teach the youth

all that stuff you learn you know you know from Islam

okay

thoughts on cancel culture that you know you have a mistake you have a slip up and then that's the end of it

I mean

I Think that

anybody

is entitled to make mistakes

You know the name of the game is do better.

Yes,

you know don't make that same mistake twice.

Yeah,

you know anybody is entitled to make mistake

You know, it's just do better.

You made this mistake.

What did you learn from it?

You know what I'm saying?

What did you learn from it?

Don't make this mistake again.

You know what I'm saying?

How you going to do better?

How you going to improve on the relationship you destroyed or

what you, the black crowd, cloud that you created?

What you're going to do to fix that, right?

You know what I'm saying?

But anybody's entitled to make a mistake.

And I'm going to say, let me add one more thing to that.

What's funny to me is that

with that whole cancel culture thing,

they'll do that to someone over the slightest little thing that they did wrong, and it'd be that one thing.

But I know of a guy that do wrong things

every

day

that everybody just sweeps under the rug.

So, I mean,

you know, what the hell really is cancel culture?

True.

What's your favorite era of music?

My favorite era of music?

Oh, man.

That one's hard, Shannon.

It's like, I like

the music better in the seventies.

But

the sixties had some hella fired stories, man.

Like, Like, um,

oh man, Smokey Robinson.

Um,

well, 60s was Motown.

Yeah, Smokey Robinson.

But I mean, like, I'm just talking about the stories.

Like, Smokey Robinson,

uh,

uh,

Chris Christopherson.

There was still some writers that were their pen was just

goodness.

Yeah.

Like, what was you thinking, man?

70s had some good music too, though.

No,

like, music.

Um, and even like, with the writing in the 70s,

you had some, you know, some amazing people.

Ashford and Simpson,

hell of a pin game.

I see, I like the big bands in the 70s.

See, I like Cool in the Gang, Ohio players, the stylistic, the Barcades, Lakeside.

Okay, see, see, I'm just talking about the writing side.

The music side.

Nah, the music side, I mean, yeah, Osley Brothers.

Heat wave.

Yeah, Osley Brothers, Heat Wave.

Yeah, Cameo.

Yeah, yeah, Cool of the Gang.

Cool in the Gang, yeah.

Yeah, all that.

Who's that?

Casey and the Sunshine Band.

Casey and the,

I mean, everything was bands back then.

Yeah.

And they, and they could do it.

Yeah.

I still, you know, I still like to go.

I still, you know, occasionally, if I can catch them, you know, go see

Ohio players.

I love, I love bands.

I want to catch, excuse me, Cool of the Gang.

I want to catch the Ohio players.

Yeah.

Because they were the first group.

I mean, all they saw is one word.

Roller coaster.

Skin tight.

Fire.

Firecracker.

You know what I'm saying?

They didn't have all these.

But that slow song they had, Les Love.

Rick Howe.

Nah, Less Love.

Yeah.

It takes L

and the O.

Yeah, that was my joint.

What are your thoughts on

New York losing the crown is best rap city?

You know, we got that now.

A-T-L.

Man, I'm just saying, we got it now.

We got it now.

Let's love it.

Absolutely.

No, absolutely.

No, I mean, you know, I think that, you know, hip-hop is universal.

And, you know, everybody, you know, deserve their shot, you know.

I remember when the West Coast had it, you know.

Yeah, I mean, it's like this here.

If it's entertaining, I'm there for it.

I'm here for it.

Right.

You know?

Like, out of the South, I love listening to CeeLo.

I love listening to Outcast.

T.I.

You know, I love T.I.

You know, just...

Luda.

Oh, man, Luda.

Forget about it.

Love

Love Luda.

You know, I mean, I've always, you know, I'll tell you a funny story.

I remember when Juvenile first came out with her.

Yeah.

And the video came on video jukebox.

And I'm, you know, in New York with, you know, a lot of my boys, you know, from the hood.

And they came on.

They like,

yo, this is what hip-hop is becoming?

This shit here?

This is what we got to listen to now.

And I just turned my back.

I turned my back and started doing some other stuff because

I like the record.

You know what I'm saying?

I thought it was dope.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

I was like, I'm the only one that I'm like, am I the only one that think this shit is hot?

You know, because I'm sitting there, oh, you're about to treat your nose.

I love that song, man.

I loved it, you know.

Yeah.

You mentioned you said you like, like, because

when I asked you about the women, you like, you named off about 10 or 12.

You feel the same way about the guys?

As

like the like five,

if I gave you, if I gave you five guys, I said, Kane, for the next 10 years, you're going to listen to five.

Who you playing?

You only got five guys, you only got five rappers, past or present, that you can listen to.

Who you rocking?

First of all,

now you you you you you're getting real great at this.

I love why you reworded that.

Yeah.

We gonna get you down on something.

You got five.

You got five.

Well, I mean, you know,

honestly,

it may not be the five that I think are the

greatest lyricists.

Right.

It might be the,

it would probably be the ones who I just like.

You like listening to.

Correct.

You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, we be talking about, you know,

Chuck D,

Slick Rick,

Jay-Z.

I don't know.

Chuck D, Slick Rick, Jay-Z.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Honestly, I don't know.

Oh,

I would say Cee-Lo and Chubb Rock.

Okay.

But see, like I said,

because it's like, I love CeeLo's voice, man.

Yes.

I love CeeLo's voice.

Yeah.

And I love Chubb Rock voice.

You know?

Yeah.

Have you ever met Chubb Rock?

I have never met Chubb Rock.

Do you know he talks like that in real life?

Really?

Yeah.

He talks like that in real life.

Like my brother tripped out when he first time he heard Chubb Rock because he's in the studio.

And Chus Chubb just walked into the studio.

He's like, Yo, yo, Kane, that's John Blaze, man.

Who did that, Moby?

He talks like that in real life.

I tell people the same thing about E40.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

exactly.

Like you hear him, that's how faulty talk.

Like, I we met, we're doing a movie together, and like, I'm sitting there just staring at him, like, yo, is he messing with me, or he really talks like this, bad?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he talks about you once said Eminem is the Kobe of rap.

Who's Mike?

Who's LeBron?

I don't honestly don't know how to answer that, Shannon.

I don't know how to answer that.

Because I don't know what's the qualifications of a Mike, what's the qualifications of a LeBron.

I don't know what the qualifications are for Kobe when you're making a reference to rap.

So I don't really know how to answer that one.

You're still performing.

And there was a situation where I think it was Bow Wow.

I think it was Fat Joe.

They had a couple at SeaWorld.

Did you see that?

No, I heard about it.

You hop on the mic in SeaWorld?

Not now.

Not now?

Not now.

I mean, they got a little check.

They got a little check for you, Kate.

You know, I mean, I don't know, man.

I'm just going to say this, man.

Fat Joe.

Is a hip-hop legend.

Bow Wow is a young hip-hop legend that, and both those guys did a lot for the game.

Whatever decisions they make or they decide to do, I respect it.

You know?

The next 50 years.

I think rap just had its anniversary, 50-year anniversary.

The next 50 years.

What would you like to see for rap?

Rap, I would like to see

young hip-hop artists

that

focus on writing songs

that impact their fan base life and step on stage

and be great performers whether they got production behind them or not.

You know?

Even if you don't have no LED lights and

all that at this stuff, you still know how to rip that stage apart.

Right, you know?

We're going to wrap.

Thank you for coming on Club Shay Shay.

Anything, you got a book, Just Rhyming With Biz, a documentary, paragraphs, I manifest.

Any new music?

I heard you dropping your own wine and cooking show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wine, yeah, Amonterio, you know, yeah.

Yeah, that, you know, the book, Just Rhyming With Biz, talking about, you know,

Biz discovering me and getting me a record deal and all the madness we went through trying to get on.

You know, and I told you about the documentary, docu-series, rather.

You know, yeah, right, lyricists: KRS1, Nas, JTZ, Rockham, Rivza, Method Man, LL, J.

Cole, Kendrick, Lamar, Lil Wayne, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick.

Will we ever?

Because KRS1, Rockham, y'all were in it, LL.

Uh, a lot of you guys were in the same era.

Same.

It's kind of like if you'd have had LeBron, Kobe,

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Giannis, Jokic, if you'd have had the 10, you know, 10 and all of them in the same, same era.

I mean, just think, you, Jay-Z, all you got, J.

Cole, Method, all you guys in the same era.

You ever thought about that?

What it would be like if, like, man, if, man, what would it be like if I was in this era with J.

Cole and Kendrick Lamar and Lil Wayne?

What would it be like if they were in my era with X, Y, and Z?

Have you ever thought of it like that?

Yeah, I mean, I could tell you would have been like, you know,

I would have been on the sneaker chunk with my lens.

Big daddy K, thank you, man, for joining the club.

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