Club Shay Shay - Big Daddy Kane Part 2

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Big Daddy Kane — hip-hop pioneer, Grammy-winning MC, and one of Brooklyn’s finest — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an in-depth conversation on his 40-year journey in the culture, from early block parties to influencing some of the biggest artists of all time. Kane opens up about his roots in Brooklyn, discovering hip-hop through legends like DJ Kool Herc, Melle Mel, Afrika Bambaataa, and Grandmaster Flash, and finding his voice in the early 1980s. He recalls hearing kids rhyme on the block, crafting his first slick lines from hustler slang, and eventually linking with Biz Markie, the man who gave him his first big break. From battling in the streets to recording demos no one heard, Kane explains how persistence turned him into one of rap’s sharpest lyricists. He reflects on the next wave of Brooklyn talent — Biggie, Jay-Z, Lil’ Kim, Foxy Brown, Mos Def, Busta Rhymes, Joey Bada$$, and Pop Smoke — and how the streets shaped their stories. Kane shares memories of having Biggie and Tupac freestyle at Madison Square Garden, his friendship with Pac dating back to Digital Underground, and why he believes Biggie could’ve been the greatest MC and Pac the “Michael Jackson of hip-hop” if they had lived longer. The conversation moves into the industry’s highs and lows: lines wrapped around the corner for vinyl releases, the frustration of streaming payouts today, and how fast-food culture has replaced patience and truth in music. Kane talks about turning down Suge Knight’s $1 million Death Row East offer, performing alongside Bobby Brown, and how collaborations with artists like Quincy Jones, Tito Jackson, Wu-Tang Clan, and Madonna gave him some of his most unforgettable experiences. As hip-hop evolved, Kane watched the role of freestyle, lyricism, and beef change. He looks back at battles like LL Cool J vs. Kool Moe Dee and compares them to today’s Drake vs. Kendrick Lamar, pointing out how competition sharpens MCs but can hurt careers if it spills into reality. He also breaks down why artists like Rakim, J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Lady London, Conway the Machine, and Benny the Butcher keep the spirit of lyricism alive. Kane doesn’t shy away from bigger reflections either — from fashion’s roots in Black culture, to working with icons like Marvin Gaye, Patti LaBelle, Luther Vandross, Ray Charles, and Miles Davis. He explains why his Grammy isn’t on display, why fan appreciation means more than trophies, and how hip-hop grew from neighborhood block parties into global festivals.

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Speaker 14 Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway.

Speaker 14 You were up close and personal with the rap beef because

Speaker 14 in my 1987, we had an intramural basketball team. And the name of our team was the Juice Crew All-Stars, featuring, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 14 Wow.

Speaker 14 I wish Mr. Magic was alive to hear that.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 I would try to find that shirt because that was the name of Juice Crew All-Stars. And

Speaker 14 I go when I go back and look, bro, y'all were loaded.

Speaker 14 Y'all, Cooji rap, EJ Polo, yourself,

Speaker 14 Bismarck, Bismarck, MC Shamp,

Speaker 14 yes, Glamorous, Debbie, Marley Maul, Master Ace, Craig G, yeah, tragedy. Yeah.
How y'all, how did all y'all come together?

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 I mean, I would, I would, um. Because that's kind of where you got your start, right? Yeah, I would credit that to Fly Tie and Marley Maul.
Okay. You know.

Speaker 14 Did you realize that you were a part of something special then? Absolutely. You did.
You knew it. Well, I mean, Mr.
Magic was the official voice of hip-hop radio. Okay.

Speaker 14 You know?

Speaker 14 Like, he's the person that broke hip-hop records.

Speaker 14 And I'm part of his crew. Right.

Speaker 14 So I don't have to wait outside BLS.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 You know, this is a new joint. I'm part of the crew.
Right. You know what I'm saying? Right.
Yeah. So I knew I was part of something special.

Speaker 14 Lyricist. You mentioned 1986, Rock Him thinking of a master plan, but ain't nothing but side my hand.
So I

Speaker 14 that song

Speaker 14 that

Speaker 14 took rap

Speaker 14 to another level because at that point in time, nobody had ever really sounded like him. I mean, he was very methodical.
You could hear every

Speaker 14 word he said, you could hear it.

Speaker 14 it wasn't no this now can i don't know

Speaker 14 i think that what rockem did was

Speaker 14 brought lyricism back into the game

Speaker 14 because um you know it's like it was to me the most important mc ever is mellie mel

Speaker 14 okay you know um

Speaker 14 because i feel like you know cats in the 70s was basically trying to either sound like

Speaker 14 DJ Hollywood,

Speaker 14 Eddie Chiba, or Love Bug Starsky.

Speaker 14 And Melie Mel is the one that presented lyricism. He started lyricism in the game.
Was it the message? We need to go to the message. No, no, no, no.
Long before that. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And it was like, you know, when he did that, I think it made people start really paying more attention to the MC. Because back then, it was really all about the DJ, Flash,

Speaker 14 Africa Bamba. Yep.
Cool hurt. you know, Breakout.
It was about the DJ, you know.

Speaker 14 I think Melie Mel gave the MC an identity because he put lyricism in it, you know?

Speaker 14 So it's like he created something

Speaker 14 that gave us an identity, but then as we started making records in 79 and stuff, you know, the records have more of a party feel. So the focus wasn't really on

Speaker 14 the lyricism.

Speaker 14 And then like when Rock Him come in, 86, he brought it back to that. Yes, you know.

Speaker 14 But he felt that you took, uh, you rapped about a song, and he's uh, I see leaders and I laugh, and he thought you was taking a shot at him.

Speaker 14 Say, what? Yeah, I was, I was, uh, he thought you were sublimely dissing him in a song by saying, I see leaders and I laugh.

Speaker 14 Nah, um,

Speaker 14 what happened was

Speaker 14 he, um,

Speaker 14 what was the line he had? Uh,

Speaker 14 Word to Daddy.

Speaker 14 It was a diss song. No, no, no.
He had, um, I think it's Follow Leader. He had a song for Follow Literally and he said, Word to Daddy, indeed.

Speaker 14 I took it as a diss s

Speaker 14 you know, so I did write, you know, a line,

Speaker 14 but what happened was one night, because you got to say that, Eric B. Brother was my road manager.
Okay.

Speaker 14 So, like, me and Eric, you know, was solid, you know.

Speaker 14 So, this girl got in the car one night, and she gave me a photo.

Speaker 14 And the photo said, Dear Kane, I want to set it off and get RAW. Ain't no half-stepping because I'm going to break your raft in half.

Speaker 14 So, when I saw it, because at the same time you talk about that, they were saying that Rock Kim had a song called Break the Raft in Half. Just in me.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 14 So,

Speaker 14 I gave a a picture to Eric brother. And he's like, yo, what you mean by break the raft in half? And she like,

Speaker 14 oh, yeah, Eric got this here song. I mean, Eric and Rakem got this song called Break the Raff in Half, Trying to Dish You.
I heard it, and he's like, you heard it?

Speaker 14 Yeah, he played it for me on Jamaica Avenue. And I'm sitting there crying, laughing.
I'm crying, laughing. Like, and every time I'm looking at Eric Brother Ant, you know, we just start laughing.

Speaker 14 Right. So finally, the girl, she looks at Aunt.
She's like, yo, why he keep looking at you and laughing? Saying, what you work with Eric or something? And Ant was like, no, I live with him, bitch.

Speaker 14 That's my brother.

Speaker 14 Wow. And she said, well, you know how niggas talk.

Speaker 14 So Ant was like,

Speaker 14 yo, it's going too far. Right.
Y'all need to talk. Right.
Would you talk to him? I'm like, I don't care. So he called Rakem, put him on the phone.

Speaker 14 And,

Speaker 14 but Rakem.

Speaker 14 See, you telling me new stuff. I never, he never mentioned that line.
When we talked on the phone, he asked me about saying when I said rap soloist, you don't want none of this. I'll set it off.

Speaker 14 And I was like, no, no, no. I'm saying that I'm a rap soloist, competition don't want none of this.
Right. Because he had a song where he said, and you know that I'm the soloist.
Right.

Speaker 14 So I was claring it up. Like, nah, nah.
I said, I'm the rap soloist. Competition don't want none of this.
Anybody that Rhyme alone is a rap soloist. Right.
And he was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 14 And I'm not talking about anybody in particular. Yeah, I'm saying I'm rap totalist.
No, well, when I'm saying competition, whoever can get it. You know, but I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 14 But you were saying, I'm not specifically talking about you, Rocky. I'm talking about me.
Right. I was calling myself a rap soloist.
Right. Not saying that you a rap soloist.

Speaker 14 You don't want none of this. So he's a oh, okay.
And I'm like, well, what about this word to daddy indeed?

Speaker 14 Like, that sound, I mean, I'm Big Daddy Kane. Yeah,

Speaker 14 that sounds like you're coming from. And he was like, nah, you know, other cats say, you know, word to mommy in Long Island.
We say word to daddy. That's like, you know, just that's our slang.

Speaker 14 I'm like, oh, okay, my bad. And that was that.
That was the end of it.

Speaker 14 That was end of it. Ever since then, we've been cool.

Speaker 14 Why can't guys do that today?

Speaker 14 I don't know. I don't know.
You see how you just got to, hey, picking up the phone? Because everybody know everybody. If I don't know you personally, I know your manager.
I know somebody close to you.

Speaker 14 And then I can pick up the phone and say, man, look here, man, this is foolish. This is ridiculous.
Man,

Speaker 14 let's talk this thing on. Hey, bro, check this out, man.

Speaker 14 Well, that was a fortunate situation because, like I said, you know, me and Eric was cool. Right.
And his brother was my road manager.

Speaker 14 So his brother, you know, orchestrated it where, like, you know, let me get him.

Speaker 14 That thing could have gone a lot of different ways had that not been the case, Docaine, because you probably would have responded. Well, yeah, I did.

Speaker 14 I mean, yeah, I had the line, but you know, once we talked, I took it out, and he told me that he had some stuff that you know he took out. So, you know, we were good, right?

Speaker 14 This is mixed, probably 50-50.

Speaker 14 Beefs, this, are they good or are they bad for rap?

Speaker 14 I think that

Speaker 14 they're

Speaker 14 bad

Speaker 14 for

Speaker 14 careers.

Speaker 14 I think they're good for MCs.

Speaker 14 I mean, I'm a battle rapper.

Speaker 14 So I love,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 You love that one-on-one. You love the back of your pants.
Yeah, because it keeps you on your toes. Right.
Oh, he said said what? Oh,

Speaker 14 you know, it keeps as an MC, it keeps you on your toes.

Speaker 14 Career-wise, it can be career-ending and

Speaker 14 it can cause someone's death or, you know, someone's seriously getting hurt because the fans can take it too far. It's not the individual, it's the people around the individual.
Show you right.

Speaker 14 And now, if we're just going to keep this thing on wax, I'm cool with it. Yeah.
Long as it don't bleed into reality.

Speaker 14 Yeah. That's the problem that you have.
Because we saw Jay-Z and Nas battle it, and now they're cool. Yeah.

Speaker 14 I don't know if Big and Pac would have been cool. I doubt that.

Speaker 14 I don't. I doubt that.

Speaker 14 Because sometimes you have a line, you go too far. You talk about

Speaker 14 that man.

Speaker 14 I'm not going to get into that, but

Speaker 14 I doubt

Speaker 14 we can resolve that. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 14 Can Drake and Kendrick come back?

Speaker 14 I think so.

Speaker 14 I think so.

Speaker 14 I think so.

Speaker 14 I mean, I know some crazy things was, well, there were some crazy allegations,

Speaker 14 but, you know.

Speaker 14 On both sides. Yeah, but I mean,

Speaker 14 if none were proven, then you can get, I think you can get past it. Move past it.
Yeah. How'd you meet Hove?

Speaker 14 There were these guys in Queens called the Shirt Kings.

Speaker 14 And one of them, they made spray paint shirts. And one of them asked me about doing a mixtape with Jazzo.

Speaker 14 And I was like, all right, yeah, we do it.

Speaker 14 So we went to Brooklyn to my man Fresh Gordon crib. He's supposed to be doing this mixtape.
And then Jazzo was like, yo, can my man rhyme on the tape too?

Speaker 14 And that was Jay-Z.

Speaker 14 So we did. How old was he at this time? I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know how old he was.
I mean, because I think Jay is like a year and a half younger than me.

Speaker 14 So, I mean, I don't know, could have been 20, 19, I don't know.

Speaker 14 But he asked, could his man rhyme on the tape? And I was like, yeah.

Speaker 14 So we did the tape.

Speaker 14 And then when we was riding back to my crib, my man Nike from the Shirt Kings, he's like, yo, we really wanted you to do this because we want you to help, you know, to get Jazz another deal.

Speaker 14 And, you know, I was like,

Speaker 14 honestly, I kind of like the lights can do better.

Speaker 14 I'm working with him.

Speaker 14 You know, and that's how, you know, we connected. Right.
You know, and

Speaker 14 we started, you know, working on stuff. We was working on music and, you know, I was shopping his music, you know, the different labels and things of that nature.

Speaker 14 And then I ended up doing the feels like another one with Patty LaBelle. Right.

Speaker 14 And while we were on tour, you know, I'm noticing that

Speaker 14 Patty is doing outfit changes. So I'm like, I'm fascinated.
And I'm I'm like, oh, nobody in hip-hop doing this. Oh, I can't wait to get back out on the road.

Speaker 14 So when I finished the tour with Patty, went back out on my tour, I grabbed Jay-Z and another rapper by the name of Positive K. You know, he had a big song called.
Paz K. Yeah, I got a man, yeah.

Speaker 14 So I grabbed both of them and brought them on the road. What your man got to do with me? So you rappers.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 I brought them both on the road with me, and like I would let them come out and perform in the middle of my show while I do outfit changes. Okay.
So him and Jay-Z would be on stage rapping. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Did you know

Speaker 14 when you heard this 19, 20, 21-year-old Hove rapping, did you ever think he'd become this?

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 No.

Speaker 14 I mean, it's crazy. Because, see, there's one thing about Jay that I didn't really understand until much later.

Speaker 14 Because

Speaker 14 Paz

Speaker 14 would be in the room or in the studio and very much involved. Source Money would be in the room or in the studio, very much involved.
Jay would always be quiet. Yes.

Speaker 14 That's the story everybody tells. So it was the type of thing where I'm like, you know, you gotta,

Speaker 14 you know, you make your presence felt. You gotta, so I didn't see it.
But what I didn't understand was that Jay was being quiet for a reason. Jay studies everything.

Speaker 14 Like years later, I've started thinking about all types of stuff.

Speaker 14 Numerous nights when he would point out something I did on stage, mention it, oh, you're a real funny dude, the way you did such and such. He noticed everything.

Speaker 14 So he was sitting there studying, you know, and I think that that attribute, you know, to his greatness.

Speaker 14 Writing.

Speaker 14 It's funny that

Speaker 14 you said that real MCs write their own verse, but some of the great songs that's been recorded by the MC, or I guess they can't call them an MC if you don't write, has been

Speaker 14 written by someone else.

Speaker 14 Yeah, there's a lot of great songs that that were written by other people. But I mean, that's normal in the music industry.

Speaker 14 Now,

Speaker 14 not when you were coming up.

Speaker 14 Did you guys?

Speaker 14 Well, I mean, I wrote most of Biz Marquee first album. Okay.
You know, I mean, I've written for other people.

Speaker 14 You know, there were artists, yeah, there were artists

Speaker 14 that wrote big songs for other people. Right.

Speaker 14 But it was, you know, really ghostwriting, real, real ghostwriting. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not really a ghostwriter if you wrote a song for somebody and tell them.

Speaker 14 You tell them about it

Speaker 14 that I wrote that. Bro, that's not a ghost.
A ghost is supposed to be something that you can't see. You tell it be.

Speaker 14 Yeah, so it is, it happened back then.

Speaker 14 But I mean, now it's standard practice.

Speaker 14 Why do you think Jay got turned down by so many labels?

Speaker 14 You know what?

Speaker 14 If I sat and told you some of the stuff that people said to me when I played their demo, you know,

Speaker 14 what did it say? I mean,

Speaker 14 I'm not going to go into it because I don't want nobody running with it, you know what I'm saying, turning into nothing negative, man.

Speaker 14 But I mean, the stuff that people said, but I'm going to say this, Shannon, I'm going to say this.

Speaker 14 I'm glad.

Speaker 14 I'm glad they turned him down.

Speaker 14 For the simple fact that at that point in time, that's when Jay-Z was doing that

Speaker 14 that real fast rappers yeah that was a a fad in hip-hop

Speaker 14 and it didn't last long you know I'm saying so had he came out doing that he may have been successful for a year or two right and then he would have faded out with that style He came out right time talking about the right stuff doing the right thing and he ended up having amazing state power so I'm glad I couldn't get him a deal.

Speaker 14 I think that what he did years later with Dame Dash and Irv Gotti and whoever else, that's what was supposed to happen. And I'm so happy for him to see him be successful.

Speaker 14 Nas, you have a lot of respect for Nas and he's another great lyricist that explains things and can talk.

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Speaker 14 My favorite NAS story

Speaker 14 would be probably when we first met.

Speaker 14 It was at a unique studio,

Speaker 14 and I told him how much I love Elmatic.

Speaker 14 And he asked me, well,

Speaker 14 what do you think is wrong with it? I'm like, nothing. I'm like, you know how people be saying this is a five-mic album.

Speaker 14 A lot of times, nah, it might be a four-mic, might be a four and a half mic, but you got a five-mic album. The album is amazing.
I don't think anything is wrong with it.

Speaker 14 But he wouldn't let it go. He would not let it go.
He just kept, but, but I'm saying, like, what do you think I should have did, you know, different?

Speaker 14 I'm like, I don't think you should have did anything different. I think it's, but, but, what would you have done different?

Speaker 14 I'm like,

Speaker 14 I mean, me, I would have probably had one song on there for the ladies, at least, right?

Speaker 14 But you, not me, right? You did what you supposed to do, and it's amazing, you know. But I mean, it was just, it was like, yo, won't you just let it go and be great, man, and leave it alone, man.

Speaker 14 This album is amazing. Right.
You don't, there's nothing you should have did different.

Speaker 14 I think the fact that he has so much respect for you and to hear you say that and it's like, let me just make sure he ain't just saying that because I'm standing here in front of him.

Speaker 14 Let me try it a different way. Okay, the album was good.
You say it's five mics.

Speaker 14 No, I didn't say it was good. I said it was great.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 Five mics.

Speaker 14 But if you would have done it, okay, you would have did. Oh, so you said my next album I should have one song for the ladies?

Speaker 14 He had Eric B call me, I think maybe a year or two later, he had Eric B call me. I'm, I was at a car dealership, and he had Eric B call me, and he's like, Yo, Nas want to holler at you.

Speaker 14 He puts him on, he's like, Yo, I did one for the you, you heard the old me back? I did one for the ladies. Like,

Speaker 14 don't excited about it. But I mean, it was like, you know, yo, Elmatic is a masterpiece.
Yes, you know, that's like one of my favorite hip-hop albums of all time.

Speaker 14 This is just not in the rap industry, this is in almost every industry.

Speaker 14 Do you feel this younger generation gives the older generation the respect? Like Nas and Jay-Z, like they respect you and you respect the others. Do you feel this younger draft generation gives the

Speaker 14 adequate respect to the older generation? Nah, not at all.

Speaker 14 But I mean, you know,

Speaker 14 I don't blame them. You know,

Speaker 14 it's what they're taught.

Speaker 14 You know?

Speaker 14 Like,

Speaker 14 the word irrelevant carries a lot of weight in the music industry today.

Speaker 14 It's a word that's thrown around on social media a whole lot. So it's been instilled in the younger generation head.
So I don't blame the young kids.

Speaker 14 I just think that we have to figure out a way to bridge the gap because I would love to see, you know, even if it's not my generation, even if it's the Eminem Kanye generation, artists from that era, talking with these young cats, giving them game, don't do this, don't do that, watch out for that.

Speaker 14 Don't sign something that says, you know, I would love to see that, you know, to try to help them, you know.

Speaker 14 But no, the respect is not there because it's like, you know,

Speaker 14 it's things that's instilled in the younger generation mind.

Speaker 14 What's Kane's responsibility to this younger generation? My responsibility is to try to educate them. I have a documentary.

Speaker 14 or excuse me docu series called paragraphs i manifest it's talking about the importance of lyricism in hip-hop.

Speaker 14 And the reason why I really wanted to do this is so the younger generation can see how important lyrics are.

Speaker 14 To see how when you focus on the lyrics, your song can have state power and touch someone's heart. Your song can last for years upon years because of the way this person felt about what you said.

Speaker 14 And it's called Paragraphs I Manifest. It features J.
Cole, Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z,

Speaker 14 MC Light, Lady London,

Speaker 14 Eminem,

Speaker 14 Common, several, you know, yeah.

Speaker 14 Travis Scott recently went viral. He said, I swear to you, ONs, kill me, no my YNs feel me, talking about push or T.
What are your thoughts on that line? Because,

Speaker 14 and I hate it.

Speaker 14 I've never had a problem, Kane.

Speaker 14 Because I understand where I am today, there had to be people before me to stand in these very shoes that that wasn't as prosperous, that didn't get the attention, that didn't get the notoriety, that didn't make the money that I make.

Speaker 14 And so, it's my job to pay homage for those that happened to be born at a time in which the money wasn't what it is. So, I never had a problem giving people credit.
Never, never.

Speaker 14 I think these young guys, I mean, for whatever reasons, yeah,

Speaker 14 that's irrelevant.

Speaker 14 But the question is:

Speaker 14 40 years from now, will you still be relevant?

Speaker 14 Because at one point in time, I stood in your shoes. And I don't think people realize that.

Speaker 14 I got a t-shirt that says, I'm the age that I used to think was old.

Speaker 14 Can I remix your statement? Go ahead.

Speaker 14 10 years from now, will you still be relevant? 10, wow. We don't need 40.
We need a decade. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah. Because the lifespan today of an artist is usually about eight months.

Speaker 14 Wow.

Speaker 14 So I guess you better get everything you can in those eight months

Speaker 14 because you're not promised another eight months. Exactly.
Wow.

Speaker 14 Another young rapper that's always giving you respect is Eminem.

Speaker 14 He's an anomaly. He's to rap what Tiger Woods was to golf.

Speaker 14 He came in

Speaker 14 and

Speaker 14 his wordplay, his cadence, all that.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 he's one of these guys that's never had a problem showing the older generation respect.

Speaker 14 Eminem

Speaker 14 is a student of the game. He is an amazing student of the game.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 without trying to tell too much, in my documentary, He pointed out something that I did that I never paid attention to. Wow.

Speaker 14 Like after the interview, I went back and started listening to artists, you know, before me to see if someone else did this because he was pointing out that I'm the first person he ever heard do this.

Speaker 14 And I'm like, it had to have been someone before me. Like, he's a student of the game that way.
He got deep in it. Yeah.

Speaker 14 But, you know, I'm going to tell you, man,

Speaker 14 M is an amazing artist.

Speaker 14 Super talented, super lyrical.

Speaker 14 But I think the thing

Speaker 14 I think is so dope about M ⁇ M is like,

Speaker 14 you know, when hip-hop began, you know, this was, we're talking about a New York thing,

Speaker 14 right? Yeah.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 14 All of a sudden, you got NWA talking about straight out of Compton. Yeah.
Now it's on the West Coast. You hearing about a West Coast hood.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? That ain't our hood. You know, we don't do that in New York.
But you hearing about, you know, the lowriders and all this.

Speaker 14 but you're learning about the hood in the west coast. Correct.
Got the ghetto boys, you know, talking about you know, the wards and whatnot.

Speaker 14 You know, and like now you're hearing about you know the Texas, the hood in Texas, you know. Yep, ATL, they talk about, you know, you know, I mean, Lil Wayne, Master P talking about New Orleans.

Speaker 14 You know, it's like you're hearing about these hoods in all these different regions, right?

Speaker 14 Eminem

Speaker 14 talked about his hood, talked about eight mile,

Speaker 14 but

Speaker 14 he not talking about, you know,

Speaker 14 the projects in Detroit. He talking about trailer park stuff.

Speaker 14 He talking about white hood shit. Yep.
You know what I'm saying? Yep. I thought that that was just so dope.
You know what I'm saying? Because

Speaker 14 this is white ghetto stuff. You know what I'm saying? That we're learning about.

Speaker 14 I'm like, yo.

Speaker 14 This is so dope.

Speaker 14 And I respect him for that because he wasn't trying to pretend to be something he wasn't. he talked about his hood

Speaker 14 you know what i'm saying where he grew up at yeah his life experiences yeah so i mean i have a lot of respect for m man what what did m get right that vanilla ice got wrong

Speaker 14 i think that last part i said

Speaker 14 but

Speaker 14 but i mean hey man you know vanilla ice you know he put that song bad hey yeah he became very successful he had a you know a mega hit i mean this dude had a movie you know you know you know he had you know one hit and they they they they do had a movie.

Speaker 14 I mean, so he did his thing, man. So salute to Fidel Ice, man.

Speaker 14 Hip-hop. Is hip-hop dying?

Speaker 14 Is hip-hop dying?

Speaker 14 I don't think that hip-hop is dying.

Speaker 14 Because what you got to understand

Speaker 14 is that

Speaker 14 when hip-hop first started,

Speaker 14 it was nothing but block parties wasn't on wax yes it was just block parties

Speaker 14 so looking at what's going on right now

Speaker 14 when they have those type of

Speaker 14 hip-hop festivals or intimate hip-hop events

Speaker 14 you know you're hearing that that classic material

Speaker 14 You know that that that you know that defines what hip-hop is really about right so I don't know Maybe, I don't think it's dying. Maybe it's going back to where it's supposed to be.
Right. You know?

Speaker 14 What is the substance? Because you talked about like how M spoke about things that he experienced. He wasn't trying to be somebody else.
Yeah. He talked about the trailer parks.

Speaker 14 That's where he grew up. That's what he knew.
That's what he experienced. He talked about his mother's situation.
He talked about things that were there.

Speaker 14 It seems like now the substance is, is that the hot thing is, let's talk about this, even though I haven't experienced it.

Speaker 14 Oh, you say, even though I haven't experienced it, no, I'm saying that's what the rap is now. Oh, yeah, a lot of rappers are rapping about, bro.

Speaker 14 You're not no gangster. Yeah.
In the studio, you is, but you are, but not in reality.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but I mean, you know, we live in you know a social media world, so it's like whatever's trending, whatever topic, you know what I'm saying, yeah, whatever's trending.

Speaker 14 That's you know,

Speaker 14 like I um

Speaker 14 I was leaving um

Speaker 14 I was at, I can't remember where I was, I was in Vegas, wherever, I was, I had my fedora case with me. Yeah.
I'm checking it at the airport.

Speaker 14 And the lady at the airport talking,

Speaker 14 oh, okay, you got your cowboy hat. You got your boots and your luggage.
I'm like, nah, sweetheart, my boots ain't on the ground.

Speaker 14 That's just a regular fedora. It's not a cowboy hat.
Right. But, you know, that's what's trending.
You know what I'm saying? Right now, that's what's trending.

Speaker 14 So everybody and their mama coming out to the concert with California. Cowboys in the hat.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? It's whatever's trending. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Dre called a stir. He said, UK rappers are better than USA rappers lyrically.

Speaker 14 I'm just saying, like, Kane, see, you looking at me, man. I ain't got no.
Oh, you wanted me to respond? Yeah, yeah, I ain't got but one head, man. I ain't got one head.

Speaker 14 You looking at me like I had three heads. He said that.

Speaker 14 I feel that

Speaker 14 with the amount of success that Drake has had in this game,

Speaker 14 he's entitled to his opinion. You know, in fact,

Speaker 14 I'm sorry. I think that everything, everybody is entitled to their opinion.
You know, that's the beautiful thing about an opinion. Everyone can have one.

Speaker 14 Whether I agree or disagree, you agree or disagree, everybody's entitled to have an opinion. correct you know but i mean if that's what drake feel hey man go ahead homie

Speaker 14 you were a trendsetter because you had the high top fade you dressed you had the rags on how did you determine what was your persona going to be on the stage

Speaker 14 um

Speaker 14 well like as i was as i was saying earlier you know like you know you see like the pimps and the hustlers pull up and the deuces

Speaker 14 i saw how all the other kids in the neighborhood gravitated to that.

Speaker 14 That was a look.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? And then my pops was a fancy dresser. Okay.
My pops wore three four-piece suits, you know, Persian lamb coats, you know,

Speaker 14 the duster. That's the four-piece.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 14 I saw you do.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah, nah, the pants, the vest, blazer, and the duster. Okay.
That's the four-piece. But, you know,

Speaker 14 I saw,

Speaker 14 you know, this is what I saw. Like, for example,

Speaker 14 I did Arsenio Hall,

Speaker 14 and they had built a whole set with garbage cans and graffiti and all this stuff. And I had them tear it down.

Speaker 14 And I told them to put some of that sexy shit back up, like how you had it when I was here with Quincy. Right.
You know? It wasn't

Speaker 14 because I was against graffiti or the street. It was because it's like me as a kid, I'm used to seeing, you know, the pimps, the hustlers pull up with fur coats on, that type of stuff.

Speaker 14 And when we went to block parties, we put on the alpaca sweaters, the mock necks, the British Walker shoes. You know, we wanted to look fly.
You know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 I didn't actually see breakdancing until the movie Wild Style came out. Wow.
I mean, like, I mean, actually on the street. Right.
You know what I'm saying? I didn't actually, you know, see it.

Speaker 14 So it was like, I'm like, that's not the background that I'm affiliated.

Speaker 14 It's hip-hop. Right.
It's hip-hop. It's, you know, one of the, graffiti is one of the elements of hip-hop.
But I mean, it's it's like that's not what we did on Lewis Avenue where I came from.

Speaker 14 So I wanted to represent my hood. You understand?

Speaker 14 Yep.

Speaker 14 Fashion today. What do you like or dislike about what you see today?

Speaker 14 Because you know LL was in a sweatsuit had his shirt off had you know had a track suit on take his shirt off big gold chain run DMC had the Dider's outfit the shell toes fat shoestrings.

Speaker 14 It all depends. Are you, I mean, are you still you still, well, yeah, I'm sure.
I mean, look how you come today. You come in white pants, red sweater, you know, LB kicks.
So you still a fashion icon.

Speaker 14 You still into fashion like that, right?

Speaker 14 Do you like the way fashion is headed? You see kind of where it's going now?

Speaker 14 I'm going to say this.

Speaker 14 I feel that we, as the black youth,

Speaker 14 were trendsetters.

Speaker 14 We were trendsetters.

Speaker 14 You know?

Speaker 14 And not just the artists. Shout out to Dapper Dan,

Speaker 14 April Walker, Carl Kanai.

Speaker 14 We were the Shabazz brothers.

Speaker 14 We were all trendsetters.

Speaker 14 And I think that now I see

Speaker 14 a lot of younger cats catering to,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 what's popular on Fashion Week as opposed to your own creativity. Correct.
You know what I'm saying? Taking those hood elements and mixing them together, making them look fly.

Speaker 14 Especially if you're a rich artist. Right.
Because

Speaker 14 you can take it to

Speaker 14 a whole nother level because you got the money to do so to become that trendsetter.

Speaker 14 You know, when Dapper Dan

Speaker 14 took the job at

Speaker 14 Gucci,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 all he had to do was just remake the stuff he was making in the 80s. Right.
You know what I'm saying? That Gucci never made. Right.
You see what I'm saying?

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Speaker 14 I can get together and create a look.

Speaker 14 How did you become a ladies' man?

Speaker 14 The hell have I know, Shiny? I just rode with it, man.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I know you rode with it because you had two shows at the Apollo that sold out for women only. Yes, sir.

Speaker 14 I only know two other artists, only one other artist that I know of, Teddy Pendergrass, used to have only. That's where we got the idea from.

Speaker 14 It was an idea from a lady that worked at Warner Brothers, Ife Kiera.

Speaker 14 And we,

Speaker 14 yeah, we decided to do two shows at the Apollo for ladies only. Because she broke it down, because she went to the Teddy Show.

Speaker 14 So she was like, so

Speaker 14 she was like, well, you know, he had teddy bears in every seat that said, you know, hug on Teddy. So I was like, okay, we got to flip that.
Put

Speaker 14 candy canes in every seat. Let it say, suck on Kane.

Speaker 14 That's what we did.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 I remember his documentary where

Speaker 14 he was telling that story, part of it. And then,

Speaker 14 man,

Speaker 14 do you think, I mean, think about it, Kane, a rapper,

Speaker 14 sold out shows, women only.

Speaker 14 A rapper,

Speaker 14 two sold out shows, women only.

Speaker 14 Is that possible today? Drake. You think Drake could do it? Hell yeah.

Speaker 14 Hell yeah.

Speaker 14 But you were the first.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 Rap-wise, yeah, I was the first. But I mean, Drake, yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you know, you know, dude has a massive crowd. He has so many hits for the ladies.
Yes. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 Drake could do it. How do you even get into modeling?

Speaker 14 I can't remember whether it was April Walker or,

Speaker 14 oh man, I can't remember who it was who asked me to wear this stuff on the runway. And

Speaker 14 like, I was in my zone. I was in my zone.
And honestly, I was nervous because I know how my bop walk is.

Speaker 14 And I didn't want to do that on the runway.

Speaker 14 And what I did, because I remember when I told them afterwards, they was cracking up laughing. I was like,

Speaker 14 the whole time, even though that house music stuff was playing or whatever was playing, the whole time, I was humming the bass line to Richard Pryor, which way is up while I was walking.

Speaker 14 That's what I was humming in my head so that I'd walk straight, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 14 And that, wow, yeah.

Speaker 14 Anytime I was on the runway, that's what I would do. But you was also offered an opportunity to be in Playgirl.

Speaker 14 No, no, no.

Speaker 14 You took it? Yeah, we went for it.

Speaker 14 Caitlin, we went for it. It started as a joke.
Right.

Speaker 14 The publicist from Warner Brothers, Gene Shelton. Okay.
He had just gotten me an Essence magazine.

Speaker 14 And he was like, man,

Speaker 14 young blood, I've done.

Speaker 14 So many things for you and your rap career that I never thought I could do for no rap artist, man.

Speaker 14 You know, like, I'm having so much fun working with you. Like, we done, and we done been in Jet magazine, we done been, you know,

Speaker 14 like, we done did everything. Yeah.
Um,

Speaker 14 you know, I was, he's like, ain't nothing left, you know. Um, I was like, and I'm just, I just made a joke.
I was like,

Speaker 14 listen, like, you like Playboy magazine. He's like, you mean play girl? I'm like, yeah, yeah, play girl.
I was like, let's go do something like that. And we laughed, and then we looked at each other.

Speaker 14 You were laughing, don't go,

Speaker 14 you were dead ass. Shit, let's do it.
You know, yeah.

Speaker 14 madonna asked you to uh to pose for a sex books yeah

Speaker 14 um

Speaker 14 warner brothers sent us on a promotional tour okay myself madonna color me bad

Speaker 14 and um

Speaker 14 we were like going to like you know upscale hospitals you know you like um

Speaker 14 like the patients in there were like you know young white kids they didn't really know who i was right and you know uh madonna is sitting there talking to me. You know who that is?

Speaker 14 That's Big Daddy Kane. He's a famous rapper.
Here, let me hear you say, ain't no half star. And I'm like, Madonna, no, my shit.
Oh,

Speaker 14 wow. I'm bugging, man.

Speaker 14 So afterwards, we outside and I'm like, hey, thank you so much, you know, for acknowledging me. I appreciate that.
And then she was like, no, no, no,

Speaker 14 she's like,

Speaker 14 listen, I'm doing a book.

Speaker 14 It's just photographs, photographs, not talking, just photographs. I would love to have you involved.

Speaker 14 I would be honored. And she was like, but it's

Speaker 14 probably going to be real racy, like nude photos. I was like, shit, even better.
Let's do it.

Speaker 14 Even better. Yeah.

Speaker 14 But let me tell you how real Madonna

Speaker 14 was, babe. I mean, it was like...
The day started off so much fun where I'm like, okay, yeah, this is the place to be. This is cool.
Okay.

Speaker 14 When I got to the the set, Madonna comes running across the room, butt-ass naked.

Speaker 14 Game,

Speaker 14 so glad you made it.

Speaker 14 Let me tell you, I was just standing outside in the middle of the street, in between the divider, just like this, no clothes on, with my thumb out, taking photos, but not one single car stopped.

Speaker 14 Can you believe that? Fucking Madonna, nobody stopped for me.

Speaker 14 I'm like, oh yeah, this is going to be an amazing day, right? I'm like, this day is going to be amazing because she on 10 already.

Speaker 14 I'm like, yo, yeah, she's wilding already. I'm like, yeah, this is gonna be fun.

Speaker 14 Do you believe there's a rapper today that could do Playgirl or do a sex book

Speaker 14 photos like what Madonna did?

Speaker 14 I think that there's rappers today that's coming from doing that to become a rapper

Speaker 14 movies

Speaker 14 Brown Sugar, you also an equalizer with Queen Latifah.

Speaker 14 Is that something you wish you had partaken in more? Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I wish I would have

Speaker 14 stayed

Speaker 14 focused on that and

Speaker 14 continued pursuing my film career.

Speaker 14 I think that

Speaker 14 I could have done a whole lot more, had a much bigger impact

Speaker 14 But I mean you know hey man, you know it ain't too late. You know, I mean, you know look how you know what age Morgan Freeman was when he made his bones.
So you know it ain't too late.

Speaker 14 It's not because I remember he was easy reader in Electric Company. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
That's what that's what I do. And then the next thing you know, I get older, hear the movie.
I was like, hold on, that's easy reader. Yeah.

Speaker 14 But I mean, right now at this hit point,

Speaker 14 I probably would more focus on, you know, my son, you know, his film career. Because I truly believe that he's more of a natural than I am.
Right. He just got it.
You have it. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 14 You then Dave Chappelle's block party. What was that experience like?

Speaker 14 I mean, to actually see Dave Chappelle in his element. Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean, when I saw the movie, I was upset about so much funny stuff that didn't make the movie. Crazy I heard him say, you know, while we were there, you know, filming.

Speaker 14 But it was great to be a part of it because

Speaker 14 Dave Chappelle is that dude right now. He is.
I think he is, you know, the best comedian of today.

Speaker 14 And he's such a hip-hop fan

Speaker 14 and knowledgeable. Yes.
You know what I'm saying? Yes. Knowledgeable.
He knows. He knows the history.
So, you know, I have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

Speaker 14 And I thank him so much for, you know, including me in that. Your song was featured in Grand Theft Auto, Sandreas.
I mean,

Speaker 14 when you hear your music and things like that, how does that make you feel?

Speaker 14 I mean, it's amazing because you got to understand,

Speaker 14 these are kids. Yes.

Speaker 14 And it's like you're saying, this is Big Daddy Kane, and it's like,

Speaker 14 who?

Speaker 14 And then they find, they hear Warming Up Kane, and then,

Speaker 14 that's you? Oh, I know that from Grand Theft.

Speaker 14 You know, so, you know i'm saying it it it it gives me that feeling of um

Speaker 14 uh of my girl yeah there's children today that know my girl from top to bottom but don't know the temptations correct you know what i mean

Speaker 14 yeah

Speaker 14 women rappers i mean you you the exception uh you mentioned uh

Speaker 14 roxane shante

Speaker 14 um

Speaker 14 Give me give me your give me your five. I mean, there's great ones.

Speaker 14 They're not, and you know, you're probably going to tick some people off because you have when you say five of anything, that means you leave something off.

Speaker 14 Give me your five women's rappers.

Speaker 14 That's right, that's why I'm not gonna give you my five.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 I will say that

Speaker 14 some of my favorites

Speaker 14 I'm gonna try to go from

Speaker 14 then to now

Speaker 14 would be

Speaker 14 Shirock, Debbie D,

Speaker 14 Roxanne Shantae,

Speaker 14 Salt and Pepper, Queen Latifah, MC Light,

Speaker 14 Eve,

Speaker 14 Foxy Kim,

Speaker 14 Lady of Rage, Lady of Rage.

Speaker 14 If you call

Speaker 14 Lauren Hill a rapper, I like to because she's a monster with the bars. Yes, yes.

Speaker 14 I'd say Lauren Hill,

Speaker 14 Lady London, Lola Brooke.

Speaker 14 I'm probably forgetting a few, but yeah. Who that said, I forget who said it, that he believes.
female rappers are becoming oversexualized.

Speaker 14 Well, I mean,

Speaker 14 it's like, you know,

Speaker 14 that's what

Speaker 14 they did to them back in the days, you know what I'm saying, trying to force them, you know, to be sexy. That's one of the main things that, you know,

Speaker 14 I've always respected about Queen Latifah. Right.
You know, she was like, I'm going to keep it Afrocentric and I'm going to be the queen. I'm not putting that tight shit on.
You know, I'm, you know.

Speaker 14 That's something about Queen Latifah I've always respected. Yes.

Speaker 14 She did it her way. Queen has always been the queen.

Speaker 14 I mean, you meet her, I mean, you meet her behind the scenes, in front, she's the queen. Yeah,

Speaker 14 bro. I need to know.

Speaker 14 We

Speaker 14 you got me in North Carolina.

Speaker 14 You from you from you from Brooklyn, New York.

Speaker 14 There could not be anything more different

Speaker 14 than Brooklyn, New York, than North Carolina.

Speaker 14 How? Why?

Speaker 14 Well,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 yeah, I'm from Brooklyn, best-style Brooklyn. But I hadn't lived there since 1987.

Speaker 14 Really?

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I mean,

Speaker 14 I said the same thing that Biggie said when I first made a record. I ain't never leaving the hood.

Speaker 14 But then I realized that I had to. You had to.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 I I felt like I wanted to be here with my people. You know what I'm saying? We're going to walk this walk together.
But then I realized that, you know, your people start looking at you differently.

Speaker 14 Differently.

Speaker 14 So, you know,

Speaker 14 I hadn't lived

Speaker 14 in the hood since 87.

Speaker 14 I moved to Jamaica Estates in Queens. Okay.

Speaker 14 So I was, you know, in like... kind of like a suburban area almost, you know, and

Speaker 14 I had a lot of friends in Long Island that lived in the real, real suburbs. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 So when I came down here in the 90s and did a show, because like my family is from South Carolina. Okay.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 You know,

Speaker 14 dirt roads and stuff like that. You know, people don't know you and walk up and be like, well, your name is.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 That's where, you know, where I spent my summers in South Carolina. So when I came to North Carolina and saw that, nah, this ain't country.
you know, this laid back,

Speaker 14 yeah, it looked just like Long Island, raised a family. I was like, I could actually live here, right? And I did it.
Wow.

Speaker 14 When you were growing up, did you want to do anything else other than music? Did you want to play sports? Did you think that basketball or any like a sport was going to be your avenue out of the hood?

Speaker 14 Um,

Speaker 14 I played uh

Speaker 14 basketball in the seventh grade.

Speaker 14 Um,

Speaker 14 but you know,

Speaker 14 I got

Speaker 14 kicked off the team and out the school. So, what the hell you do, Kane?

Speaker 14 I did something bad. How you tell your mom, how you tell your mom you got kicked out of school? You go home and tell your mom or your grandma or your parents.

Speaker 14 How you tell them, I ain't gonna be able to go to school tomorrow. I don't know when I'm gonna be able to go to school again.

Speaker 14 Nah, I,

Speaker 14 you know,

Speaker 14 I

Speaker 14 explained, you know, what I was upset about. And, you know,

Speaker 14 she understood where I was coming from, but it was like, you know, like, you still shouldn't have did that. You should have, still shouldn't have handled it that way.
Right.

Speaker 14 You should have just, you know.

Speaker 14 So, you know, it was what it was. And we ended up going to a different school.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 by the time, you know,

Speaker 14 I got to like,

Speaker 14 like finish eighth grade, I wanted to be an MC.

Speaker 14 So sports didn't matter anymore. Yeah.
Because see, like I said, when I said like in the 70s, when I saw Master D, I wanted to be a DJ. Right.
So that's how I started. I was like DJ Sir Romeo.

Speaker 14 And someone broke in my grandmother's crib, stole my turntables. Well, you're not a DJ anymore.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 So I became, you know,

Speaker 14 Tony T. Okay.
Yeah. Glad I left that name alone, right?

Speaker 14 I became, yeah, I became Tony T. And, you know,

Speaker 14 when I became MC Kane, you know, that's when I started, you know, really like focusing, you know, honing on the craft of that, you know.

Speaker 14 But I mean, so I wasn't really thinking about basketball anymore. So you're a Knicks or Hornets fan now?

Speaker 14 Nicks. Come on, man.
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Speaker 14 With Michael Jordan come and drop 55 on the Knicks, he got to leave with a 34D on his eye.

Speaker 14 That's where I come from.

Speaker 14 You know, I come from Oakley, Anthony Mason,

Speaker 14 Patrick Ewan. Yeah.
Come on, man. Charles.

Speaker 14 That legacy alone. Yeah, that legacy alone.
Got to love the Knicks, man. Regardless of who come afterwards, just for what they, they was gangsters.
So you a Giants or a Jets fan?

Speaker 14 I don't watch football. You don't watch.
You don't watch football game? Nah, man. No disrespect about that.
Nah, damn.

Speaker 14 Can I just explain? Yeah.

Speaker 14 All right. And again, no disrespect.
But it was like... I couldn't wait to go to a Super Bowl party because I'm always hearing about them.
Right.

Speaker 14 So finally I go and we sitting there, finally gonna watch a football game. We watching and the cameras zoomed in on a dude ass in Spandex

Speaker 14 and all sudden a play happens and everything happened in like five seconds.

Speaker 14 It's over. Back to the dude ass in Spandex.
I'm like, and this is what y'all watch all day?

Speaker 14 I'm like, I can't do it. I'm good.
How about? Yeah.

Speaker 14 I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I just couldn't do it. I didn't, because you're like with basketball, you see them running up and up and down.
Yeah. You know, the court, you know,

Speaker 14 even like hockey. You know,

Speaker 14 it was like, I just felt like,

Speaker 14 nah, I can't watch this. Yeah.
You use a lot of boxing references in your songs.

Speaker 14 You're boxing. Clearly, you got to be a boxing fan.
I guess it's that. That's my favorite sport.
That's your favorite sport. Yeah.
Who's your favorite boxer? Ali.

Speaker 14 Like, that's how I use a lot of Ali stuff to win battles.

Speaker 14 Because, you know, you're going to somebody else's turf. Yes.

Speaker 14 So already, like, when I go there, I want to make him uncomfortable on his own turf.

Speaker 14 Or I want to make his boys be into me.

Speaker 14 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I want his boys to be like, you know,

Speaker 14 to like what I'm saying. Ooh.

Speaker 14 You know? Yeah. Because, you know, they dare to boo me anyway.
Right. Because they would with this guy.
You know?

Speaker 14 You got Camelo or you got bud?

Speaker 14 I want to say,

Speaker 14 I want to say, bud,

Speaker 14 I can't really say

Speaker 14 until I see the weight. Right.
I can't really say until I see the weight. Right.
But I mean,

Speaker 14 just

Speaker 14 off of like so far what I've been putting together, I would say, fuck, wow, that's

Speaker 14 you were really close with Biz.

Speaker 14 Biz passed away with type 2 diabetes.

Speaker 14 I think Irv Gotti

Speaker 14 had diabetes, and you become very, very health conscious.

Speaker 14 When did you start prioritizing your health? Because, I mean, obviously, like I said, you were very close with Biz.

Speaker 14 I mean, I was, you know, with that,

Speaker 14 way, way,

Speaker 14 way prior.

Speaker 14 You know, like, when I started learning, you know, like what, how long beef stays in your system.

Speaker 14 You know, like, that was like 87 when I stopped eating beef. You know.
Really? Yeah. So you chicken, turkey, fish? I stopped eating chick.
I stopped eating poultry, period, in 89.

Speaker 14 Just pescatarian. So you pescatarian, okay.

Speaker 14 So you pescatarian, you pescatarian before it was even in vogue.

Speaker 14 I mean, now, you know, you pescatarian, you vegan, or, you know, whatever the case may be. But yeah, yeah, since 89, yeah.
Wow.

Speaker 14 You were a

Speaker 14 member or you were in the 5%er. What did you learn from your time in that?

Speaker 14 I mean, you know,

Speaker 14 I still frame 5%. You know what I mean? It's like,

Speaker 14 I mean, well, first of all, knowledge yourself. Yes.
You know what I'm saying? Understanding who you are as a black man

Speaker 14 and your power, how much power you have, you know? and um you know I mean so that's that's one of the main things but then also you know

Speaker 14 how to you know try to deal in equality with others you know I'm saying how to try to deal in equality and try to bring others up and teach the youth

Speaker 14 all that stuff you learn you know you know from Islam

Speaker 14 okay

Speaker 14 thoughts on cancel culture that you know you have a mistake you have a slip up and then that's the end of it

Speaker 14 I mean

Speaker 14 I Think that

Speaker 14 anybody

Speaker 14 is entitled to make mistakes

Speaker 14 You know the name of the game is do better.

Speaker 14 Yes,

Speaker 14 you know don't make that same mistake twice. Yeah,

Speaker 14 you know anybody is entitled to make mistake

Speaker 14 You know, it's just do better. You made this mistake.
What did you learn from it? You know what I'm saying? What did you learn from it?

Speaker 14 Don't make this mistake again. You know what I'm saying? How you going to do better? How you going to improve on the relationship you destroyed or

Speaker 14 what you, the black crowd, cloud that you created?

Speaker 14 What you're going to do to fix that, right? You know what I'm saying? But anybody's entitled to make a mistake.

Speaker 14 And I'm going to say, let me add one more thing to that. What's funny to me is that

Speaker 14 with that whole cancel culture thing,

Speaker 14 they'll do that to someone over the slightest little thing that they did wrong, and it'd be that one thing.

Speaker 14 But I know of a guy that do wrong things

Speaker 14 every

Speaker 14 day

Speaker 14 that everybody just sweeps under the rug.

Speaker 14 So, I mean,

Speaker 14 you know, what the hell really is cancel culture?

Speaker 14 True.

Speaker 14 What's your favorite era of music?

Speaker 14 My favorite era of music?

Speaker 14 Oh, man.

Speaker 14 That one's hard, Shannon.

Speaker 14 It's like, I like

Speaker 14 the music better in the seventies.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 the sixties had some hella fired stories, man.

Speaker 14 Like, Like, um,

Speaker 14 oh man, Smokey Robinson. Um,

Speaker 14 well, 60s was Motown. Yeah, Smokey Robinson.
But I mean, like, I'm just talking about the stories. Like, Smokey Robinson,

Speaker 14 uh,

Speaker 14 uh,

Speaker 14 Chris Christopherson.

Speaker 14 There was still some writers that were their pen was just

Speaker 14 goodness. Yeah.
Like, what was you thinking, man? 70s had some good music too, though. No,

Speaker 14 like, music. Um, and even like, with the writing in the 70s,

Speaker 14 you had some, you know, some amazing people.

Speaker 14 Ashford and Simpson,

Speaker 14 hell of a pin game. I see, I like the big bands in the 70s.
See, I like Cool in the Gang, Ohio players, the stylistic, the Barcades, Lakeside. Okay, see, see, I'm just talking about the writing side.

Speaker 14 The music side. Nah, the music side, I mean, yeah, Osley Brothers.
Heat wave. Yeah, Osley Brothers, Heat Wave.

Speaker 14 Yeah, Cameo. Yeah, yeah, Cool of the Gang.
Cool in the Gang, yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, all that. Who's that?

Speaker 14 Casey and the Sunshine Band. Casey and the,

Speaker 14 I mean, everything was bands back then. Yeah.
And they, and they could do it. Yeah.
I still, you know, I still like to go. I still, you know, occasionally, if I can catch them, you know, go see

Speaker 14 Ohio players. I love, I love bands.
I want to catch, excuse me, Cool of the Gang. I want to catch the Ohio players.
Yeah. Because they were the first group.
I mean, all they saw is one word.

Speaker 14 Roller coaster. Skin tight.
Fire. Firecracker.
You know what I'm saying? They didn't have all these.

Speaker 14 But that slow song they had, Les Love. Rick Howe.
Nah, Less Love. Yeah.

Speaker 14 It takes L

Speaker 14 and the O.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that was my joint.

Speaker 14 What are your thoughts on

Speaker 14 New York losing the crown is best rap city?

Speaker 14 You know, we got that now.

Speaker 14 A-T-L. Man, I'm just saying, we got it now.
We got it now. Let's love it.
Absolutely. No, absolutely.
No, I mean, you know, I think that, you know, hip-hop is universal.

Speaker 14 And, you know, everybody, you know, deserve their shot, you know. I remember when the West Coast had it, you know.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I mean, it's like this here. If it's entertaining, I'm there for it.

Speaker 14 I'm here for it. Right.
You know?

Speaker 14 Like, out of the South, I love listening to CeeLo.

Speaker 14 I love listening to Outcast.

Speaker 14 T.I. You know, I love T.I.
You know, just... Luda.

Speaker 14 Oh, man, Luda. Forget about it.
Love

Speaker 14 Love Luda. You know, I mean, I've always, you know, I'll tell you a funny story.

Speaker 14 I remember when Juvenile first came out with her.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And the video came on video jukebox.

Speaker 14 And I'm, you know, in New York with, you know, a lot of my boys, you know, from the hood. And they came on.
They like,

Speaker 14 yo, this is what hip-hop is becoming? This shit here? This is what we got to listen to now.

Speaker 14 And I just turned my back. I turned my back and started doing some other stuff because

Speaker 14 I like the record. You know what I'm saying? I thought it was dope.
Right. You know what I'm saying? I was like, I'm the only one that I'm like, am I the only one that think this shit is hot?

Speaker 14 You know, because I'm sitting there, oh, you're about to treat your nose.

Speaker 14 I love that song, man. I loved it, you know.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 You mentioned you said you like, like, because

Speaker 14 when I asked you about the women, you like, you named off about 10 or 12. You feel the same way about the guys?

Speaker 14 As

Speaker 14 like the like five,

Speaker 14 if I gave you, if I gave you five guys, I said, Kane, for the next 10 years, you're going to listen to five.

Speaker 14 Who you playing?

Speaker 14 You only got five guys, you only got five rappers, past or present, that you can listen to. Who you rocking?

Speaker 14 First of all,

Speaker 14 now you you you you you're getting real great at this.

Speaker 14 I love why you reworded that. Yeah.

Speaker 14 We gonna get you down on something. You got five.
You got five.

Speaker 14 Well, I mean, you know,

Speaker 14 honestly,

Speaker 14 it may not be the five that I think are the

Speaker 14 greatest lyricists. Right.
It might be the,

Speaker 14 it would probably be the ones who I just like. You like listening to.
Correct. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, we be talking about, you know,

Speaker 14 Chuck D,

Speaker 14 Slick Rick,

Speaker 14 Jay-Z.

Speaker 14 I don't know.

Speaker 14 Chuck D, Slick Rick, Jay-Z.

Speaker 14 I don't know. I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 14 Oh,

Speaker 14 I would say Cee-Lo and Chubb Rock. Okay.

Speaker 14 But see, like I said,

Speaker 14 because it's like, I love CeeLo's voice, man. Yes.
I love CeeLo's voice. Yeah.
And I love Chubb Rock voice.

Speaker 14 You know? Yeah.

Speaker 14 Have you ever met Chubb Rock? I have never met Chubb Rock. Do you know he talks like that in real life? Really? Yeah.

Speaker 14 He talks like that in real life. Like my brother tripped out when he first time he heard Chubb Rock because he's in the studio.

Speaker 14 And Chus Chubb just walked into the studio. He's like, Yo, yo, Kane, that's John Blaze, man.
Who did that, Moby?

Speaker 14 He talks like that in real life. I tell people the same thing about E40.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 14 exactly. Like you hear him, that's how faulty talk.

Speaker 14 Like, I we met, we're doing a movie together, and like, I'm sitting there just staring at him, like, yo, is he messing with me, or he really talks like this, bad?

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he talks about you once said Eminem is the Kobe of rap. Who's Mike? Who's LeBron?

Speaker 14 I don't honestly don't know how to answer that, Shannon. I don't know how to answer that.
Because I don't know what's the qualifications of a Mike, what's the qualifications of a LeBron.

Speaker 14 I don't know what the qualifications are for Kobe when you're making a reference to rap. So I don't really know how to answer that one.

Speaker 14 You're still performing.

Speaker 14 And there was a situation where I think it was Bow Wow. I think it was Fat Joe.
They had a couple at SeaWorld.

Speaker 14 Did you see that? No, I heard about it.

Speaker 14 You hop on the mic in SeaWorld?

Speaker 14 Not now.

Speaker 14 Not now? Not now. I mean, they got a little check.
They got a little check for you, Kate.

Speaker 14 You know, I mean, I don't know, man.

Speaker 14 I'm just going to say this, man.

Speaker 14 Fat Joe.

Speaker 14 Is a hip-hop legend. Bow Wow is a young hip-hop legend that, and both those guys did a lot for the game.
Whatever decisions they make or they decide to do, I respect it. You know?

Speaker 14 The next 50 years.

Speaker 14 I think rap just had its anniversary, 50-year anniversary.

Speaker 14 The next 50 years. What would you like to see for rap?

Speaker 14 Rap, I would like to see

Speaker 14 young hip-hop artists

Speaker 14 that

Speaker 14 focus on writing songs

Speaker 14 that impact their fan base life and step on stage

Speaker 14 and be great performers whether they got production behind them or not.

Speaker 14 You know?

Speaker 14 Even if you don't have no LED lights and

Speaker 14 all that at this stuff, you still know how to rip that stage apart. Right, you know? We're going to wrap.
Thank you for coming on Club Shay Shay.

Speaker 14 Anything, you got a book, Just Rhyming With Biz, a documentary, paragraphs, I manifest. Any new music?

Speaker 14 I heard you dropping your own wine and cooking show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14 Wine, yeah, Amonterio, you know, yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that, you know, the book, Just Rhyming With Biz, talking about, you know,

Speaker 14 Biz discovering me and getting me a record deal and all the madness we went through trying to get on. You know, and I told you about the documentary, docu-series, rather.

Speaker 14 You know, yeah, right, lyricists: KRS1, Nas, JTZ, Rockham, Rivza, Method Man, LL, J. Cole, Kendrick, Lamar, Lil Wayne, Big Daddy Kane, Slick Rick.
Will we ever?

Speaker 14 Because KRS1, Rockham, y'all were in it, LL.

Speaker 14 Uh, a lot of you guys were in the same era.

Speaker 14 Same.

Speaker 14 It's kind of like if you'd have had LeBron, Kobe,

Speaker 14 Jordan, Bird, Magic, Giannis, Jokic, if you'd have had the 10, you know, 10 and all of them in the same, same era.

Speaker 14 I mean, just think, you, Jay-Z, all you got, J. Cole, Method, all you guys in the same era.

Speaker 14 You ever thought about that? What it would be like if, like, man, if, man, what would it be like if I was in this era with J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar and Lil Wayne?

Speaker 14 What would it be like if they were in my era with X, Y, and Z?

Speaker 14 Have you ever thought of it like that? Yeah, I mean, I could tell you would have been like, you know,

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