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Joe, how you doing this morning, buddy?

Man, I'm doing good, Brother debo man having a great night watching football man the bills dolphins game it was it was great game to see great game to see oh yeah for sure man uh the dolphins uh they uh they came out to fight dog they came out to fight you know what's so crazy is i talked to somebody before um and uh i'm like dude watch

watch the bills go out here and lose this game dude i'm like They done came back on the Ravens, you know, they went and stumped the lights out the Jets.

I'm I'm like, they are primed for a letdown.

They probably thinking that, you know, Miami go coming here.

Woe is me.

Maybe, you know, they already had a, you know, a player's only meeting week one.

So, you know, you're at home.

It's a short week.

And the whole time I'm thinking, dude.

You thought they were going to sneak up on them.

Dude, I thought they was going to sneak up on them, dude.

I mean, when you look at it, I mean, barely they.

I mean, they came through, you know, it was 31-21.

They came through.

They won the game.

But as soon as the first quarter started, dude, Miami goes down there.

They score on, what, 10 plays,

took up almost six, almost seven minutes off the clock and went in for seven.

Made it look easy.

I mean, it was a short field.

It was on the 15th.

The special teams, it's not, that's the way you start the game off.

You know what I'm saying?

Special teams popped off with a great return.

They got it at the 50.

I'll tell you one thing.

A-chan.

was balling.

You know what I'm saying?

Just getting the ball in his hands.

I don't think Tua did anything too impressive in the first drive.

He just getting the ball.

He didn't throw the ball over five yards.

Completed the first, the third and four to Tyreek Hill, getting him involved.

But I think A-chan and what's my other man?

A-chan and Gordon, number 31, the rookie running back, Thunder and Lightning.

Them dudes, A-chan's the more speed guy, you know what I'm saying?

Dumping it to him.

He was doing a run game and catching out the backfield.

And then Gordon being able to power it in.

You know what I'm saying?

So that first drive, it looked really impressive.

But the same thing I was saying too, Tua didn't have to do too much.

You know what I'm saying?

Getting into the hands of his, you know what I'm saying, athletes.

He got some, he got some playmakers.

Like Tyreek Hill was out there hooping for a shot, Tyreek.

For sure, for sure.

Then you come back and the Bills get the ball and what is it?

85, 90 yards they go, 10 plays, and they score.

I'm like, brother, brother, brother.

Ain't nobody coming to play defense this week.

Like, what's going on?

It was, it was, it was James Cook.

It was James Cook.

Oh, no question.

But you see, every time he touched the ball, it was for a first time.

It was 10.

It was double 10.

It was double down.

It was first down.

He was just totally, he was cutting through there running the ball with patience you know i'm saying with burst you know i'm saying that it looked good so him and then josh allen with the little fake fake uh fake bubble screen you know i'm saying and then dropped the dime to the tight end put it in ball placement was on the on on the money so like those first two drives both teams go down score i'm thinking for sure it's going to be a high scoring game it looked good

No question.

And well, actually, I think the next thing was basically Buffalo getting down there.

And, you know, I think they missed the field goal or something, dude.

Like, it was like

they scored on their first two possessions, and then they drove it down on their third, right?

They did, they scored very nicely because it was they were walking the joint down, yeah, and that was when Tua got it, and he was pulling out the snaps, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, they shortened.

Um, I think uh, they had a penalty, actually, they were still driving now.

I think about the second, the second drive, they were still driving, and they had penalties that that

slowed them down, and they weren't able to convert.

And then they went on down there, scored on him again, and it was 14.70.

And so, you know, I'm thinking, it's still a chance because they were able to drive down.

They let some penalties slow them down.

And the good thing was, too, in the first half, that...

uh miami did a good job of converting on first downs so that that second that the next drive when they ended up scoring before halftime tyree kill they converted four first down four third down conversions to use his his feet on one and three to Tyree Kill, a third and 12, like a third and seven, and a third and five.

He converted all three of those to get down there, and they ended up scoring before half.

Waddle caught that slant, you know what I'm saying, getting in the end zone.

So they got the ball with four minutes.

That was an amazing four-minute draw.

You know, that was from the missed field goal.

The missed field goal, they were able to go ahead and

get down there.

So

again, a short field and able to get down there.

go ahead and get seven.

Now they tied up at halftime.

So, you know, they're in a fight.

You know, right now,

you done gave you you know gave miami some hope you know

and they like you know we could go out here and do this i think it was it was the tail of the two halves because the first half it was seven it was 14 14.

and then on the second half uh defense third quarter wasn't too much action well josh allen them came out off the rip first drive

in the third quarter so that put it to 21 14 but not too much more action was going on in the third a lot of punts you know what i'm saying but it was that fourth quarter that really was the tail of the game a defense in the third.

But that fourth quarter, man, when they got the stop, you know what I'm saying?

Two of them went down.

They scored.

You know what I'm saying?

21-21.

And then they get a stop.

The tide of the Jane, the game could be changing.

And they go for the punt.

And my man runs into the punter, which changes the whole trajectory of the game.

You know what I'm saying?

Then they go down there and score.

So it puts the game to 28 to 21.

And I think that was just, those are the mistakes that you cannot make if you you want to beat, you know what I'm saying, the Buffalo Bills.

You can't beat yourself.

They were in the fight.

They were getting them to punt.

They were forcing them to punt.

They didn't drive down there and score on them.

So now it's 21, 21.

We're getting the ball.

You know what I'm saying?

They were doing a good job converting.

They made the fourth down, fourth, and four, got down there and scored.

So

when you're playing the bills, though, those are the mistakes that you can't make.

Yeah, for sure.

So my,

I mean, I think they still had a chance until, you know, you got to that, that last, you know, that last interception right there i think it was maybe three minutes or so left whatever it was and

um you know you going in to you know possibly get seven and then you know you had that interception and that you know to me that basically sealed the deal

that definitely sealed it yeah that killed that killed everything that was going man you know the best i i think the biggest thing that they did is they showed that they wasn't dead dude like it's like yo we yeah we had it we had a players only meeting week one but, you know, that was to get to where we are now.

And, I mean, they didn't come away with the win, but the mindset, the way they played, you know, except for, you know, certain parts of it,

the biggest thing is Buffalo, they, they made the plays when they counted.

The defense made the stops and the offense made the scores.

Yeah.

And, you know, or a pick, whatever it may be.

They kept the game close as long as they could, but, you know, the second half came and I think

what helped them keep it close too was Buffalo.

I I mean, they had some drop passes.

You know, they had some

penalties that were

stalling them in that second half.

So that helped Miami be able to keep it close.

And of course, the roughing the kicker and the late interception, that was just, you know,

you crushed them.

They kept it close, man.

It was a really, really good game.

You know what I'm saying?

There's going to be good plays, going to be bad plays.

There's going to be penalties here and there.

Keeping it 14 to 14, going in the halftime was all good.

Like you said,

the roughing the punter, that started the whole thing.

But for real, when you finish the game off with that pick, they're driving down, you're making plays, you're getting the ball, you're actually, you're hitting water on some, on some five and outs, you're converting on third downs.

That was just a basic smash concept.

Running back fast to the flat.

It's three on three over there.

He looked directly where he was going.

And that brought my man Shepard right straight through.

As soon as he looked over there, he ran and then it's three on he threw the ball right to him.

So you kind of, that's just mistakes that you can't make.

You got to

look, look it off.

You know where you're going.

It's three on three over there.

As soon as you brought your eyes over there, defense is tall and zone.

We're moving where the quarterback's eyes are going.

Yes.

He didn't look you off to the target.

If you had looked him off on that and then turned straight to it and got it to it, he wouldn't have been that close.

He wouldn't have not been that close.

But him looking instantly, as soon as he got the ball from the snap, bringing his eyes there, oh, he broke on it like a rock, like a ride, like he's instantly, you know what I'm saying?

So just those mistakes that you cannot make there and I I'm not this is here for a two abashion but he didn't throw the ball well deep at all all of their completions were behind the line of scrimmage he was getting it to H and he was getting it in the Tyree kill I mean except for the three those three big third downs yeah

but no those were those those were the one when he scrambled away that was about a 12-yard pass that was maybe one of the deepest ones the one with Tyreek Hill got he passed it seven yards Tyree Kill went back dipped down and got missing on people you know what I'm saying made yards after catch.

So

I see what you're saying.

A lot of the stuff was just underneath dicks and dunks.

And then when we needed to make plays, I mean, he kind of

turned it over was or was fumbling with the snaps on third downs.

Just little things that we can't have when we're not.

I'm not asking you to win the game for us, but I'm asking you to just do a little more simple things.

Just keep the turnovers down.

Don't put us in positions to lose because at the end of the day, you're not really, you're not doing too much.

You're getting in the players' hands, but the ball being thrown down the field, it's not not that

it's a it's a difference between it's a difference between uh hurting me and and and not helping me a thousand percent yeah yeah you you're you're hurting me if you're turning the ball over um you know if you're not scoring um yeah you're not helping me but you're not hurting me you know you're giving me the opportunity to to go back out there and you know do what it is that we can do to try and keep it close.

But, you know, picks, you're hurting me there.

And that's taking points off the board that, you know, that could have put us in a position that, you know, we're looking at possibly going down there the next, you know, next drive and seeing if we can't get an onside kick or something and see if we come through with it.

But that opportunity was just, you know, snatched away in the last, you know, in the last few minutes of the game.

Along, like I said, the two critical mistakes, David.

Yeah, those two big ones, man, the roughing the punter and that pick.

That's not, that's not, well, that's not when the footballer Josh Allen, he's not turning the ball over.

They did it like on the first half.

They only had three possessions in the whole first half of the game you know what i'm saying so that's the dolphins were holding the ball doing convert yeah keeping the ball away

seven minutes uh another one was close to six and some change you know they were they were holding on to the ball i mean at the end of the game though it was still almost even you know close no no no for sure for sure for sure for sure but three possessions in the first half is good and then they they scored on two of them you know what i'm saying so i i think they they they're they're moving in the right direction but you just can't turn the ball over and make critical mistakes if you're trying to win the game.

You stayed in it.

You did good, but it's not a bastion.

They, like you said, they fought.

They looked like they didn't give up on it.

They didn't give up.

You know what I'm saying?

Like that didn't look like a team that didn't want to go out there and try to win that football.

You think they take some type of moral victory out of this, even though they didn't win?

You know what it is.

There's no moral victories in it.

You know, once you lose, you lose.

All of that stuff is going to be the same.

You took an L on your, on your, on the, on the win law sheet.

I would hope just you could take the good for what it is but at the end of the day i i'm not a fan of the the more you you lost you know what i'm saying but yeah you still do exactly what i did wrong so that we can correct that next time and make sure we come out with that win that moral victory stuff i ain't i ain't never been on it i ain't never i think you lost man oh yeah you lost it's no it's no if ands or buts about it

so i guess before the game they had some reports surface about players uh you know being late for meetings and having disciplinary issues According to ESPN, tardiness was an issue through last season.

One current Dolphin player said he believes some captains that this past season took advantage of the role.

Hmm.

They said Ramsey wide receiver Tyreek Hill were two of the eight voted captain in 2024.

They were among repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the seasons.

Throughout the season.

What do you think of

players repeatedly being late?

They said players were often late to practice meetings with multiple team sources suggesting this reflecting the lack of respect for McDames,

who was hesitant to publicly, I guess, discipline these guys for

outside of posting fines.

Well, let's keep this real though, Debo.

Well, you know, we've been both apart.

We've been in the league a long time.

And, you know what I'm saying?

How do do you, I know, I know you've been a part of the Steelers.

I was a part of the Steelers and the Browns.

And let me just ask you, just open, how do you feel about this, about players being late to meetings?

Because I know I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to be real on our show, Debo.

That's what we talked about earlier.

Like real conversations, real things that go on.

So I know what do you feel about tardiness of players?

And how do you think this is?

What do you think?

So, so, so, my.

thing on it is you should never be late.

It's nothing that

can go go on that should make you late because you should be leaving with enough time to get there and all that other stuff.

Now,

I understand where you get

certain players get different privileges.

Okay.

I understand that because

with time, you know, like like Bus,

like Bus would say, he says the three T's.

If over time you tell me the truth, I learn to trust you.

So as I build a relationship with that player and I know, you know, what their

demeanor is and how they actually operate, if he comes late one time or something happens and you're late, okay, I can scrub that.

But, you know, if you come late again, you can't scrub that.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's a reason that we have the,

what they call it, the code of conduct.

It's called

conduct detrimental.

Okay.

So it's what is

they call

progressive discipline, right?

So, a team has the option of fining you on your first offense, okay?

And they could fine you up to a max of like I think it's 40% of whatever that max fine is.

The second time is 70%,

and after the third time, it's 100% of that max fine, okay?

Gotcha.

Now,

that max fine,

that max fine can be a week's salary all the way up to

and including suspension without pay for four weeks.

So

when you get guys

that are just repeated offenders, only way you can get any kind of control is to actually go to the further spectrum of it that you can because everybody cares about their money.

You telling me I got four weeks of playing and not getting paid,

that's not something somebody is going to stand up for or do if they know that.

You know what?

After my second, third time, or after my third time, this is what's going to happen.

Now, when you get coaches that are like, okay, I'm going to find you and they find you 2,500 and they find you 3,000 and they find you 5,000 and you never get to that.

find of what they call that real panel, that real money, then it's not going to stop them.

you know what i'm saying like especially if you got a player that's you know you're making half a million dollars a week or whatever you you don't even notice that you're just thinking some extra taxes came out you know what i'm saying so

unless the coach makes it a point to do that like i don't know what happens in new england if you're late like i when when bill was there like i don't know what happens i honestly they had me so scared i was just i seen time i'm sitting in my locker like this dude

and And I kind of catch a glimpse of somebody running.

And it's Tom.

He run into the meeting.

I'm like, oh, shit, I'm about to be late.

So I jump up and I start running in there.

Everybody in there, but the meeting don't start for like another like five minutes, three, five minutes or something.

So

it's obviously something there happens that don't nobody want a piece of

because nobody is late.

Also, something else they did was your phones.

You can't have your phone in the meeting.

It can't be in your pocket.

It can't be nowhere, right?

So

I don't know this.

So I'm walking in and as I'm walking in, I see like 40 phones just sitting on the floor.

And I see another dude come past and pull his phone out of his pocket and throw it on the floor.

I'm like, well, shit,

I better throw my phone on the floor too.

I'm not about to go and catch something.

You know what I'm saying?

So

I think.

When you have a coach that is a player's coach, that's a good thing.

But when you have a coach that's too much of a player's coach that's a bad thing because now he's not going to go to that point of actually being that you know that that disciplinarian because he may want to keep a certain relationship with that player or not upset that player who knows you know what it may be i would say we we could go with this too though debo mostly we're talking about star players here because if you're not a good player and you're coming up late you're not going to be there long you know what i'm saying so i think that most of the time you say you everybody gets treated fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same.

The vets, they got to show the respect and know that's they get treated a certain way and you can respect that or you could try to get away with stuff because you know you're going to be able to get away with stuff.

And your team could look at it a certain way and just showing up late.

That's just not the way that good vets are supposed to move.

You know what I'm saying?

Take advantage of their privilege.

You know what I'm saying?

Like when I was in Cleveland, there was really no,

there was really no too much hierarchy.

You know what I'm I'm saying?

You learn to get respect from somebody, like you said, you learn trust in time.

And then you can, you can, that's how you develop it.

Like in time, you have to show me that you're going to be on time.

You got to show me that you're going to like be in the place you're supposed to be.

And then I'll trust you, you know what I'm saying, to be able to give you some case, know that you have to develop.

You're going to be on time all the time.

And I know this is just, this is the way that you are.

So if something happens, then I know this, this is this.

Oh, man, this isn't Joe.

Something happened.

Some matter of fact might have happened with his family.

Let's make sure he's okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Not just, no, he just doesn't show up to these meetings meetings because it might be a fried thursday night he goes out on thursdays he show up late to the special teams meeting like that's just not a way you know i'm saying you want to ship web and mobile app features daily with confidence qa wolf's fully managed ai native qa service gets engineering teams to 80 automated end-to-end test coverage in under four months tests run in parallel with no flaky tests so you get faster feedback fewer production bugs and a more efficient release velocity qa wolf has over 100 five star G2 reviews from teams like Salesloft, Drata, and AutoTrader.

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So when I'm reading into this, it's more like they're talking about good players trying to take advantage of knowing the coach is not going to be as hard on them.

Do you know what I'm saying?

And I don't think.

Well,

it's also, like you said, it's the coach, you know?

Yeah, no, no, no, no, for sure, for sure.

That doesn't, you know,

do what is necessary.

You know what I'm saying?

I guess they said player-driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniels.

His style, as one current player described it, is laid back without being hands-off.

Former Dolphins player who played for McDaniels said coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft.

I very much think that is misconstrued as being soft because you're in a

game where it is a a bunch of really

aggressive alpha type males and any form, especially if like if I don't have a

strong or I done built, I ain't built a relationship with you, Joe.

And, you know, I go and I tell you something that you see a different side of me and you like, yo, he's maybe he a little soft.

You know what I'm saying?

Like that's a real thing.

But with you knowing me and me discussing something with you on on a on a more of a personal level, it's like, okay, he must really be going through something because I know this is not what he does.

And though he respects me enough to be like, man, as a man, you're going to come to me and tell me something, you know what I'm saying, that he don't really talk about too much.

So when you're a person that's just open and vulnerable to everyone, yeah, I'm like,

for me,

that would seem soft.

Like, and I can see how, you know, like, like my mom told me when I was a kid, dude, she was like, they go take kindness for weakness.

So that's why I was always kind kind of standoff as mean mugging.

I had, you know, I got rest in what they call, you know, for

space.

But that's, that's just me because that's what I was taught.

They take kindness for weakness, you know.

So, so don't run around here being happy and jolly and goo-goo laughing.

They looking at somebody they think they can get over on.

And, you know, that's just how I was, you know, that's how I was brought up.

What do you think?

I think that I feel this, I know exactly what you're saying.

I think with

this situation, I think that it's just, so we're talking about with Jalen and

Mike McDaniel.

Yeah, yeah.

With McDaniels and his situation of being, you know, they're saying it's being misconstrued as being soft.

Him not being as disciplined and strict with his enforcement, you know, of not, you know,

no, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure.

I think that they can't get that misconstrued.

You know, like you said, it's a bunch of grown men in the thing.

And when you have a head coach that's kind of letting certain people get away with things and not holding them accountable, that could really just show a lack of discipline.

It shows envy and jealousy to other guys, too, though.

A thousand and then, and well, it starts that with other guys.

And then, you know, on top of that, some guys like, yo, well, if he letting him do that, I'm gonna do this.

I'm gonna do that too.

And I'm gonna, like, if he don't do it, I'll give you a proper example, Debo.

I'll speak it to when I really came.

When I came to the Pittsburgh Steelers, I've never not stayed in the hotel at a home game.

That's something that everybody, no matter what, Phil Dawson, you're 15 years in.

You better check into the hotel.

You're going to have your meetings there at the home game and a little late meetings, do your dinner, and then bed chat.

You know what I'm saying?

At the home games.

When I came to Pittsburgh, the OGs, veterans, pouncies, you know what I'm saying, after the home meeting, they was like, oh yeah, bet, we're going home.

They're going home.

They have a family.

They're like, yo, what you about to?

I'm like, man, I don't know.

Because the coast team, they don't tell you if you're a vet, you can stay.

But that's just the way.

That's an unknown, unwritten rule.

You got to be a vet.

You're an OG.

You can go stay at the crib.

Do you know what I'm saying?

So I was like, man, he's like, where are you going to go?

I said, I'm going to go home.

The trust of Pouncey, you got grown men.

They're not going to go out to the club before the game.

When we wake up early in the morning, I'm trying to go home, pick up my family, go get everybody right, and then come back to the stadium.

It's like, why am I making this extra step when you trust me as a man?

I'm not going out.

I'm not going to go get seen.

I'm trying to go take care of my body, go get my family, sleep sleep in my own bed, and then head to the game.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, then when you see the young dudes, like, no, I'm going to hardly go, I'm going to stay in my crib.

No, you can't.

You know what I'm saying?

You're not a vet.

You, then you mess around, be out.

You know what I'm saying?

And that's just a whole different situation.

The trust of them knowing, Joe, where you at?

And then they will call, I'm at the crib.

All right, bet.

See you tomorrow.

You know what I'm saying?

Like that is something that people could take advantage of.

You could.

I wanted to.

I could go out to the club.

I could have went out, did something crazy.

And, but that's not professional.

That's not what professionals do.

My job is to get ready for the game.

And Coach T, as a man, was letting me go home and take that step out of waking up super early, having to go to my crib, get my body worked on, get my family, bring them to the game, and then work that whole situation.

He's like, no, Joe, you have a process.

You're going, you're going, where are you going?

To my family.

See you tomorrow.

You know what I'm saying?

So that just was the respect factor.

And like other teams, they don't care.

Phil Dawson was a grown man.

He's not going to go out.

But no matter what, the Browns like, I don't care.

You play for the Browns.

You're staying in this hotel with the team, period.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's just, I don't care what you vote.

I ain't going to lie.

I like that.

I like, I like, I like,

I love, you're staying in the team with the, you're staying in the hotel with the team.

I, you're here to get a job done.

Everything else outside of that should be not even a part of what we got going on.

I understand you got a family at home.

You got to do this.

You got to do that.

You got to have wifey have everything set up, ready, and go.

And so when you get there, everything is coordinated so that you can boom bam bam because i think when you get into situations like that like you said you're going to go home and lay and stay there but who says that the vet that's you know joe blow didn't decide the one time that he thought he had a soft game let me run down here with the boys real quick and and be here or there now

Whether word gets back or not, he gets, you know, he gets that privilege and it's not like he's not going to tell somebody you know what i'm saying so now the other guys is foaming at the mouth waiting for their opportunity and chance to be a vet to do the same thing so like situations like that i'm like nah like when i played for coward i don't care it didn't matter bus jerome better stayed in the hall of famer he stayed in the hotel no

going home i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not saying that that's a bad thing either i'm not saying it's a bad thing either i'm i'm just saying that it's a i i respect it and especially if you want to be that's the thing of taking advantage of your vetness.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, if you do have things that you can do, don't disrespect it.

But I think also it puts it puts guys in a position, especially if you're a vet, where, you know what, that night at the hotel before the game, I ain't got to worry about nothing at home.

I ain't got to worry.

I ain't got to try.

But you, you have the option.

This is where it causes, I think it causes issues for the players and the family is you don't have to stay there.

Wife say, you ain't got to stay there.

Why are you staying there?

He don't want to say, I don't want to deal with this.

It's a restful night.

I want to get ready for

the game.

So now all of a sudden, maybe he got to go home when he ain't want to.

Oh, see, that, but they look how his old because the old ladies, you talking about what old ladies talking.

Well, Joe at the crib.

Right.

At the crib.

Right.

Oh, no.

That's crazy.

I feel you, though.

They could, it could, yeah.

It just

opens up another window.

I'm just saying, I'm not knocking it.

I feel where you're coming from because it gets to have other people just looking, trying to get to where they're going, why they're getting to do other stuff.

But that's why I say you get people treating people fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same.

I could see the same way of nobody can't go.

You know what I'm saying?

But then there's reasons why I would see why they could go.

You know what I'm saying?

They're going to go to the crib.

Like even if they're legitimately going to go, because these dudes do have stuff going on, or you don't have to go.

It's just an option that I just thought was dope that if you're on the team, then you can respect it.

That's because that's just, that's the relationship part where you can take advantage of it or you don't.

No, for sure, for sure.

Speaking of responsibilities, a former

Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said it's foolishness to believe that Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team.

He said, this is unprecedented what we're seeing.

I think.

I would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just a normal person.

Tom Brady is the elite of elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in the game.

It's not hard for him to watch a few things on Friday or hear things in a production meeting and be like, hmm,

have tidbits.

You'd be foolish.

He said, and you'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share with the Raiders because.

We had those conversations about certain things.

My thing is this.

I don't understand how, like, they're saying, oh, well, he can't go to the production meetings.

He can't, but you allow him to still interview them and talk to them.

He's going to get the same thing with just, he just can't go to the facility to do it.

You know, he can't, he can't be at, you know, at the hotel to do it.

Like, yeah, but he still gets to interview them.

He can interview them off campus.

I mean, off site, in person, or he could talk to him and interview him that way.

You're still getting that information.

And for them to think that,

like, you got a whole crew.

Like, it's Fox.

That's what these guys do.

Even if he's not there, he didn't go to the practice.

These guys, that's all they do is football.

They're going to talk football.

Even with him just sitting there with them, he's going to get things

and he's going to be privileged to him.

Like when it comes down to him being in the actual booth on the headset.

That is crazy.

So now I'm just playing devil's advocate.

He didn't tell a coach.

He didn't say nothing to a coach, but he on the headset

who actually is in communication with either the coach or a player.

Who is he talking to?

I don't know who he talks.

Jerry Jones don't even get in the coach's box and put the headset on.

But Tom, a minority owner, is in the box with a headset on at the coach's box.

Who is he talking to?

Like, what is he saying?

Like, I don't, this is, this is going to get like real.

I think this is going to get messier before it gets cleared up if they don't figure out something.

Because the next time this comes around, I don't, I don't know how they can not let whoever it may be do it.

You know, what is your

even like, if it's me, you know what I'm saying?

Like me being James Harrison and I got that, you know, position, I got, I got, I got 375, you know, from Fox and then I'm a minority owner of the team.

I'm not going to do it.

because they go bust my ass you know what i'm saying but if i'm tom brady i'm tom bred they love me they fought for me to do this yeah i might do it i probably would do it what they gonna do go and find out that i did it and then have to tell that what we said he wasn't gonna do he did so if you know if it's if i'm tom i might go ahead and do it

where you at with

man tom showing us what he's gonna do tom brady going ahead and doing it like you said they want him in here they're trying to bend the rules for him to be in there i i don't think i trying they did they did it he's in there he's now he's in the booth on the headset like you said who is he talking to I don't know the quarterback the coach I don't know who he's talking to and

everything and he don't even do that with the production meetings and stuff and him not being able to be there not being able to be present so they're going to have production meetings also with his team before they get on the show just to talk just to vibe just to figure out what they but he gets to introduce he gets he he he still gets to talk to them he's just not allowed to do it on site on site no so he could have them come to another site or he could meet him at another site and talk to him or he could still like like i guess phone or zoom whatever it may be and talk to him he just can't be there you're still getting the information james i'm saying the same thing you're saying brother hey i'm saying the same thing you saying i don't think that i think tom brady is getting himself in a situation they well like you said they're they want him to be there he's already there i think that as if i was in that position too i mean he has two jobs it's the owner of the team as minority owner of the Raiders, and it's the CB, the CBS job where he's making, what is it, like 50?

He got 375 for 10.

So about 37.5.

37.5 a year.

He's going to have to, in my, I would have, you got to give up one because no matter what, if you stay doing the meetings, however, you're doing those meetings, not being there, you're still being able to interview the people, there's going to be questions.

And I don't know if he cares about, if he doesn't care about the questions and he's just going to go ahead and keep going through it, Tom Brady, shoot for for it but just know being in those production not being in those production meetings but still working for them having two jobs at the same time an owner and just having conflict of interest is going to be a question that people are going to ask if you're not doing it it just looks still crazy so the questions that people are going to ask you aren't going to go anywhere if you're continuing to work for two

like spots.

You know what I'm saying?

It's just too.

It's not even too late.

It's opposites.

You actually getting,

that'd be like you being able to go go and and interview everybody and then go play a game against these boys and you getting all the little nooks and and crannies and you get to all ask all the questions and they thinking hey it's you know it's it's joe he ain't you know he it's well with it being time you know it's like it's time you know i'm gonna tell him you know whatever you know blah blah blah especially young guys they don't know no better you know what i'm saying

i feel you i feel you brother i don't think it's a i don't think it's gonna be it's not going nowhere the questions aren't going nowhere we're just going to see like what the access looks like and it's this is happening yeah for sure and and uh what we were talking about the other day with the eagles they're they're gonna they're gonna take a close look at this tush push now they said the league uh officially is trying to make sure it doesn't happen again they said it was a false start that should have been called So the league training video for officials, which gets shared with coaches and general managers, included showing the Eagles false start and an instruction that the officials ensure the offense isn't getting away with penalties on a tush push.

These dudes is lining up in the neutral zone.

They're taking off first.

They're doing everything.

Yes, they need to go ahead and put their eyes on that thing, slow it down.

You want to slow down anytime you got somebody getting hit and the defender barely grazes his helmet with the top of their thing.

And the first thing they're announced is to say, yep, that's.

that was helmet to helmet.

Yeah.

Yes, it's time for the offense to get the same thing and slow it down for y'all.

Like,

I don't, I don't find no issue with it.

I'm a thousand percent fine with this.

It's just because it's just like, and you know what happens too, when the league does stuff like this and makes sends out the videos and set out the films, it's going to get addressed.

You know what I'm saying?

So they're going to make sure they're going to have to line up the correct way.

They're going to have to snap the ball.

The center have going to have to be the first person to move the ball.

So everybody fires off on the same time.

I'm not against the tush push at all.

I'm just against people lining up off sides or them starting it.

You know what I'm saying?

Not legal.

You know what I'm saying?

If it's not legal play, if the league, if you line up legally, everybody's head is behind the ball and the ball is snapping.

Y'all end up pushing people through because you can still push now.

You know what I'm saying?

So you can still get behind.

I thought you wasn't allowed to push at one point.

You couldn't.

They said you weren't until 2005.

They made a rule that, because they said the referees weren't able to tell or they couldn't, it was hard to make, make the call.

So they just got rid of it in 2005.

So now you're able to push people in the back.

You know what I'm saying?

So now since until they get rid of that rule, just take that out.

You can tell if somebody's pushing somebody or pulling somebody forward.

Like, I don't think that

call is that hard.

So if they can add, I don't know.

I agree with him.

Like, you don't know if he's pushing or if he's trying to push somebody else that's on the side of him or something like that.

I understand.

Man, they be all this damn slow motion.

You can't tell if somebody's pushing somebody.

Well, hey, hey, hey, yeah.

They don't want to slow that down.

That's the difference between, you know, no points and six points.

So blow the whistle faster.

Once a mug is standing up, blow the whistle.

Stop letting all that little swaying and pushing and pulling.

That's what gets people hurt.

Running up on the pile, they standing up there in the offensive line and just running there, throw theirself in there.

Oh, yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

Like, stop it.

Blow the whistle, ref.

He stood up.

You know what I'm saying?

I think something else they need to pay attention to is making sure the center is not offsides.

Like, he got this thing so deep under him.

Like, his head is over the ball.

Like,

and if it's slow, and if it's in slow and they're looking at the play and they see him with his head over the the

flag.

Flag.

Off-rick.

What are we talking about?

The percentage of the tush push, I believe, will drop significantly this year after they've made a conscious effort to actually point it out.

I ain't going to lie, Debo.

I don't think it's going to change.

I think they're going to still just line.

I think they might line them up because they, I don't think they do it every single time that they just fire off before it.

I saw two times they did it the last time.

Last time?

One time.

The one time wasn't that obvious, but that second time was

blatantly.

Blade.

It looked like the center was trying to watch when they took off and then snap it.

Like, I don't, you can't see, bro.

You can't tell.

It's so fast.

They're slowing it down.

Stop, bro.

I don't even need to slow that down.

I saw that.

I saw that in Pittsburgh.

I saw that in real time.

No question.

Like, it's no way.

It's no way, dude.

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I think they're going to be able to do it.

And for them to actually have to admit it and then

tell the people, oh, yeah, we should have called that.

We missed it.

Dude,

they're going to judge this way more strictly.

It's going to be like when they started doing so-called player safety.

And boy, they was calling everything.

Everything.

It was the hit too hard flag after that.

That's it.

That's what it turned into, the hit too hard flag.

You hit him too hard.

Did he get up?

Nope.

Flag.

Nope.

Is he rolling around?

Yep.

Flag.

Flag.

Get him up out of here.

Get him up out of here.

Get him up out of here, man.

You go.

Telling you, that's what they was doing.

Oh, man.

Hold on, Eagles win.

So the Eagles are down 2-0, but their offense is less than the presses, buddy.

Yeah.

Jalen.

Says they rank 29th in total offense, 31st in the pass.

Jalen hurts six, not even six, 5.6 yards per attempt.

It's 24th.

Hurts said he

takes a lot of accountability for a lot of it and just how we go out there because that's my job.

My job is to go out there and be the general orchestra, everything, generally orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays.

Do you think he's playing well?

Or do you think he's just playing well because everything else around him is good enough to let him play the way he's been playing and come away with the wins?

I think he's playing good enough to win.

I think he's playing winning enough football.

They have a great team.

That's the good part.

The thing that I realize about them is the Eagles are a solid team.

They got special teams.

They got defense.

They got running game.

They have.

They have the weapons.

You know what I'm saying?

So he's not asked to do as much as other other quarterbacks are asked to do so wanting his numbers to be crazy or wanting his numbers to be ridiculous i think he's going to start getting into the groove right now i'm not saying he's playing in any type of crazy way but like we said before it's so much easier to go and study the film and see what you did wrong from a win than a loss and it's still only the second week of the season they're 2-0 not 0-2 so it's not like they're nothing like everything's falling apart they still he still can improve in his passes obviously they only had two two passes over 15 yards this whole since the season started.

So, definitely just being able to get, get some more, give some more, give Devontae some more opportunities, give some more deep passes down the field.

I mean, it's not, it's nothing to panic about, but still at the same time, he's never going to give you 400, 500 yards passing.

He's going to always just make sure that the team is on the, on, they stay above the chains, handing off to Saquon, making sure he converts and uses his legs.

And when they get tight, using that touch push, you know what I'm saying?

So, he's never really asked to do extremely too much but when he is asked to do something like when it gets to the playoffs right now this is the regular season the beginning of the season we know what jalen hurts is capable of we know what their team has done before so i'm not going to always like say oh no jalen your numbers aren't crazy you're 2-0 you're figuring it out it's the beginning of the season i trust in you i know you're watching tape i know you're doing the thing that needs to be done for you to continue to get better throughout the season and hopefully try to get to the super bowl and win another one like his goals are longer than just oh how am i looking the first two games of the season he's not tripping like he's been there before people talk crap about him all the time so i know he wants to do better he knows that this isn't good enough and he's probably the hardest critic on himself too he wants to be great he understands he has a great team and continuing to win is the main thing if they were losing and he was playing bad it'll be a whole different situation oh it's always a whole different situation you know but the same but that's why i'm saying him still being able to do this with a win and still continue to try to get better he knows this isn't top jalen hurts he's not playing at a uh uh

uh mvp level right now and i think he knows that but continuing to win it's a lot easier to work on what you're not doing so well when you're winning games i think i think right now he like you said he's doing what's necessary uh for them to win not hurting them it may not be helping them all the time but he's not hurting them um that's that's a big thing i mean i think if you go back and you look at like i believe it was like the ravens when they had um

was it Dover or something?

Was it who was it?

The quarterback the Ravens ended up winning that Super Bowl with, And the offense was

not really that great, but the quarterback, he was just doing what was necessary.

He wasn't really helping as much, but he wasn't hurting them and giving the defense, you know, the opportunities to go out there and basically close out a lot of the games.

I think this is a little different situation, but kind of the same, where, you know, he's not asked to do a lot.

You got the offense right now.

They're doing great with the running game.

You know, you got

Saquon,

he's doing a tremendous job.

The offensive line is doing a tremendous job.

So, you know, he's not called, like you said, to have to sit back there and go, you know, 30, 40 passes a game.

But, you know, when they get to that situation,

or if they ever do get to that situation, I should say, where the run is being stopped, defense is playing stout.

Do you think he can come in there?

from what you've seen, you know, just these last few weeks and, you know, win it with his arm?

From this last few weeks no but i've seen him do it before and i believe that i mean i seen him throw to the i think him devontae aj brown still hasn't been getting the ball as much he does have capable receivers so i think we do the run game is doing well on just opening up taking the shots being able to throw some more giving more opportunities

he's not really even throwing those deep passes you know i'm saying to become incomplete so i think just opening it up giving him a chance giving him a shot down the field and i think it'll work out i i would believe in jalen hurts i know he's working his ass off And

he's a solid player.

And they got good players around him.

And he's just working hard.

So I think it's going to, he has nothing but

nothing but good is going to happen for Jalen, bro.

In my opinion.

Yeah, I think, I mean, as long as things keep going well with, you know, like you said, the defense and the special teams, then I think

things will work themselves out.

So listen, man, I went to the gym, right?

I always go to the gym.

Always in the gym, right?

Every day.

So

I went in there and I'm working out, right?

And I'm looking at this dude.

And

he got like this, he got like this cup.

And I see the cup.

And you know what?

I go, I got to go get mine.

I'm going to show you.

Go ahead.

Talk to the people, babe.

I'll be back.

See, Debo, wow, man, he's about to go get a cup.

But who was I talking about?

Devontae Smith, Jalen Hurts, Hooped,

Bills.

But look, at the end of the day, the MVP of that game, James Cook,

every tote was almost for a first down.

With Josh Allen,

with James Cook there, it's taking so much pressure.

Josh Allen is going to do what Josh Allen is going to do.

He's going to scramble.

He's going to make passes.

He's going to make plays.

But with James Cook there, running like looking so sweet, looking like the MVP, 10 carries a tote,

that's my MVP of the game, James James Cook.

Editor had like seven for 71 at one point, bro.

Bro, every tote was first down.

Every tote.

I couldn't find it anyway.

Oh, you know, stepped off and didn't come back with nothing.

I couldn't even find it.

So

it's like a mug, a little mug cup.

And I see a dude, and he got one, and I'm working out.

And

I saw what it said, right?

So I had to tell him.

I said,

I don't know if you noticed or not, but one of us being lied to, you know what I'm saying?

And he was like, Huh?

I was like, I got that same cup, and they said, The greatest dad ever.

So, I got to go talk to my kids after they get out of school and see what was going on.

Was they lying to me, or is that dude the greatest dad ever?

You know what I'm saying?

I was trying to figure that out, it was kind of messing with me.

That's all.

Yeah, no, they got.

See, look, they see there's a whole contemplation going on because I got that same mug.

You, you do too.

So, I'm trying to figure out who gave that to you, man.

My My Joey and my Jetsy.

My young boys told me I'm the greatest dad.

I don't know.

Somebody,

anybody else got something out there like that?

Like, I think everybody, I thought it was just me.

Damn, but I was special.

No, no, no.

I wouldn't.

Damn,

you're the greatest dad in your household.

In my household, that's what it is.

Yep, in the Harrison house, you that man.

Oh, man.

For sure, for sure.

Now, listen, what we got here is a failure

to communicate on.

That's not it.

What you talking about?

Anyway, what you talking about?

Nothing.

I was talking to myself.

I was looking at something.

See, I'd be losing you sometimes.

Yeah,

it wasn't something that I was.

Anyway.

Pop off.

What's the next thing?

We got super chats.

We got super chats.

I don't see it.

If we got it, I don't see it.

Okay.

I got super chat.

Joe, go.

Super chat.

Nat said, James, just want to say your jersey was the first one I ever bought.

Love the show very much.

Love you both.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Good man.

Then we got Dr.

L.

Frankie and L.

Bellamy said, keep going, guys.

Over 24K subscribers and it's growing every day.

24 we at 24 now we're 24k debo

it gotta be 25 by now we're gonna have at least get a get a g-ball real quick you gotta at least get a quarter

at least

you ain't got no more man i got them i got two right there right now debo listen

uh-uh

No, sir.

But you know what, though?

You know what?

So since what was your highlights of the game?

I already told you

who my favorite player was, James Cook.

Who was yours?

D.

I'm thinking.

Oh.

Yeah.

I got to.

You could probably go the same as me if you need to.

No.

No, I got to.

Well, yeah, I could, but you know josh allen was doing his thing though you know what i'm saying like doing the little flip passes and all that other stuff so i gotta i kind of i gotta give it to him you know what i'm saying even though i i ain't want to give it to him you know i feel like they kind of stole an mvp from my guy lamar last year but anyway i'll give it to him i'm gonna give it i'm gonna give it to josh oh lord james we got another one

What we got?

Oh, Lord.

See, I don't know if I'm ready for this one.

You got it.

We got to wait till I end

said today is apparently national talk like a pirate day we want james to do another weird voice at the end of the show

oh my god oh my

i wasn't prepared for that one buddy i'll see what i can come up with baby man i know you got it in you you guys

I ain't gonna lie to you.

I didn't know that.

I didn't know that about you, brother.

That was definitely not on my...

Listen, man.

I'm a uh, my uno caller.

I'm a trained, I'm a trained, I'm a trained actor, trained a little, a little bit trained, but not.

Yeah, I'm a trained actor.

I got my sad card and all that good stuff.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I do what I do.

You don't got no sad card.

You got a sad card?

Yeah.

Oh, good ass.

Okay, Debo.

You talk, listen, man.

Heels.

You see heels?

Heels.

H-E-E-L-S Hills.

I believe it's on netflix okay look at season one season one i'm in that i play a character called apocalypse

yeah bro i'm a trained actress i was i was i was a series regular what yeah season season one though i wasn't in season two you know

did you die off

no i wouldn't take the shot uh

oh you would it was doing it was doing it was doing covet oh yeah yeah i did it in Atlanta.

Okay.

Man, set lockdown, dude.

We had a whole gym with a wrestling ring and weight equipment and all that because you couldn't go nowhere.

You couldn't do nothing.

So we did all our training in there with each other and all that.

So

trying to

make you wear masks and stuff, all that.

Debo, I am a six.

You a man of many hats, bro.

No question.

Very time.

Go check it out, though.

You go watch that show.

I'm going to watch Heels, man.

Hey, you watch the show.

You watch the show.

You've been watching.

We're going to talk about it next week.

We talk about it on Monday.

I'm going to have it.

Whatever.

I'm going to have some.

I'm telling you, I'm decent in that thing, too.

No, for sure.

You go look at that and you're going to be like, damn, I ain't know Debo had that in him.

Yeah, for sure.

I'm a movie critique for real.

Okay.

I'm a movie critic.

Okay.

Yeah, so I'd be.

Yeah, I'm going to need your critique.

I'd be critiquing people's stuff.

Okay.

So I'll let you know if it's good or not.

Man, listen, man.

You let me know.

I'm going to tell you right now, man.

Yeah, bro.

You know.

Even if it's not good, I'm going to tell you it's good.

Listen, man, I'm telling you, it's good.

No, I want the truth.

Oh, I'm messing with you, brother.

I'm going to be the poor, honest, poor truth.

Nothing but the truth.

Always, Debo.

Come on, man.

My good man.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, where are you at?

Virginia?

I'm in Virginia, brother.

Yeah, bro.

That's so far away from Pittsburgh.

You should feel safe giving me uh you know an honest honesty

you know what i'm saying

no debo see that's what i'm saying i'm not giving you the addie i'm just gonna tell you i'm in virginia

i don't know virginia beach or tysons

norfolk

yeah you're gonna you have to search for me buddy after i give you this review Dog, dog, dog.

I'm gonna come find you, man.

You're gonna give me a hug after I give you this review.

I'm trying to tell you, man, listen,

I'm the coldest thing going.

If they had ever really gave me a shot, you know what I'm saying?

I'd easily be like the next rock just a little better, you know?

You wrestle?

Yeah, I did my own stunts.

I did all my own stunts.

Everything you see on there is me.

And so heels is a wrestling mood?

Yeah, it's about like faces and heels.

So like they're using that throw off.

So it's about

a family, two brothers that are trying to get their small-time wrestling thing big, you know,

and the characters around it and all that.

So, you got to watch it.

I don't know.

I'm going to watch it for show, man, because I used to get my Rey Mysterio Jr.

on back in the day.

Yeah, you got Stephen Amill in it.

You got Alexander Ludwig.

You got Alan Maldonado,

Chris Bauer, you have Mary McCormick.

Is it Crystal?

You know what?

I have trouble trouble remembering.

Crystal Bernard, I believe.

And

it's a few other people in there, dude.

But

yeah,

it's a good show, man.

Good cast.

Michael Malley.

Yeah,

is a writer-director.

You have,

what's his name?

From.

Oh.

Oh, why am I throwing a blank on his name right now?

Is it a movie producer or something?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm not the one.

I know Steven Spielberg.

It was a superhero type thing.

What's his name?

Oh, man.

What movie?

Was it Loki?

Loki?

Yeah, I think it's Loki.

What's his name?

I can see his face right now.

Why am I throwing a blank?

Anyway, that was like 2020, 2021, something like that.

But why am I throwing a blank on this name right now?

What's your favorite movie of all time, Debo?

Life.

Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence.

Great, great.

Dog.

Great.

I still watch that.

Oh, okay.

And catch little tidbits that I miss.

And I done watched it like probably like 150 times.

You word for word, bar for bar on it now.

Gotta be.

Pete Siegel.

That's his name.

Pete Siegel.

And Michael Waldron is the other.

Yeah, that's who I'm thinking of.

Michael Waldron is the

Loki, and Pete Siegel is the director.

Okay.

Waldron is the writer.

One of the writers, I believe.

Okay.

Yeah,

you can't go wrong with that right there.

Oh, no, perfect.

And I'm going to watch that.

I'm going to watch that.

I'm going to watch that for show, Debo.

What's your favorite movie?

Man,

what is my favorite movie?

Life is up there, but I think my favorite movie, if I just had to ask, bro, it sounds Green Mile.

I just watched that last night.

That's why you said Green Mile.

I just saw that.

No, but man, I didn't know what you watched, Brother Debo.

And how about you know you watch D Green?

You know, I watched it.

No way.

But I've got cameras.

You got cameras.

No, man.

But Green Mile, though, that's one of my, that's probably my favorite movie, man.

I love that movie.

You got Green.

Yeah, I just wanted, yeah.

I know you, I know that.

That's That's a, that's, that's all right.

I didn't.

That's a classic.

Yeah, I like to, I like to laugh, though.

I like to laugh.

There ain't nothing to laugh about in that, baby.

No.

No, no.

That's a good one.

I like movies that make you think, too.

Like

some other movies like

The Departed was a good movie.

Yeah, that was cool.

I like the oceans too.

I'm a big oceans fan.

Oceans.

Oh, oceans.

Like oceans 11.

Yeah, okay.

That's what I thought.

Oceans, 12, 13, 75.

They started getting oceaned out, though.

They started, man.

God damn, they went to ocean.

They was a lot of oceans.

Too many oceans.

Hey, man, look here, man.

After that one, man, we're going to go ahead and take off, man.

Hey, we want to thank y'all for joining us.

Joe, you ain't here.

Nothing, That's man.

Hey, man, thank you for joining us on Debo and Joe's show, man.

Hit the like button, subscribe.

We'll be back here

again

on Monday.

What's the day?

Friday?

Friday.

Yes, we'll be back again on Monday.

After a crazy week of football.

Crazy week of football.

Hey, make sure y'all go and watch Heels.

on Netflix season one.

Yes.

Apocalypse.

That's my character.

Come in the chat.

Tell me what y'all think about Debo's performance on Monday.

Let me know what y'all think.

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