Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Dolphins fall to 0-3 in loss Josh Allen & Bills, Steelers-Patriots preview

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Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Tua Tagovailoa fell to ab abysmal 0-3 start to the NFL season after losing to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. Later, they discuss the ongoing controversy surrounding Tom Brady's role with the Las Vegas Raiders and Fox Sports, and much more heading into Week 3 of the NFL Season!

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00:00 - Bills beat Dolphins
13:30 - Dolphins locker room issues
29:00 - Tom Brady controversy 
35:00 - Tush Push penalties
39:50 - Eagles offensive struggles
45:25 - Deebo's gym story

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We got it all right here. Joe, how you doing this morning, buddy? Man, I'm doing good, Brother Debo.
Man, Having a great night watching football, man, the Bills, Dolphins game.

It was a great game to see. Great game to see.
Oh, yeah, for sure, man. The Dolphins,

they came out to fight, dog. They came out to fight.
You know what's so crazy is I talked to somebody before,

and I'm like, dude,

watch the Bills go out here and lose this game, dude. I'm like...

They done came back on the Ravens, you know, they went and stumped the lights out the Jets.

I'm like, they are primed for a letdown they probably thinking that you know miami go coming here woe is me maybe you know they already had a you know a player's only meeting week one so you know you're at home it's a short week and the whole time i'm thinking dude you thought they were going to sneak up on them dude i thought they was going to sneak up on them dude i mean when you look at it i mean barely they i mean they came through you know it was 31 21 they came through they won the game but as soon as the first quarter started dude Miami goes down there.

They score on, what, 10 plays,

took up almost six, almost seven minutes off the clock, and went in for seven, made it look easy. I mean, it was a short field.
It was on the floor. They popped off the special teams.

That's the way you start the game off. You know what I'm saying? Special teams popped off with a great return.
They got it at the 50. I'll tell you one thing.

A-chan

was balling. You know what I'm saying? Just getting the ball in his hands.
I don't think Tua did anything too impressive in the first drive.

He just just getting the ball he didn't throw the ball over five yards completed the first the third and four to tyree kill getting him involved but i think achan and what's my other man achan and gordon number 31 the rookie running back thunder and lightning them dudes a chan's the more speed guy you know what i'm saying dumping it to him he was doing a running game and catching out the backfield and then gordon being able to power it in you know what i'm saying so that first drive it looked really impressive but the same thing i was saying too tua didn't have to do too much you know what i'm saying getting into the hands of his you know i'm saying athletes he he got some he got some playmakers like tyreek hill was out there hooping first shot tyree for sure for sure then you come back and the bills get the ball and what is it 85 90 yards they go 10 plays and they they score i'm like brother brother brother ain't nobody coming to play defense this week like what's going on it was it was it was james cook it was james cook oh no question but you see every time he touched the ball it was for a first 10 it was it was 10 it was double 10 it was double down

he was just totally he was cutting cutting through there, running the ball with patience, you know what I'm saying? With bursts, you know what I'm saying? That it looked good.

So him and then Josh Allen with the little fake, fake, fake bubble screen, you know what I'm saying? And then dropped the dime to the tight end, put it in ball placement was on the, on, on the money.

So like those first two drives, both teams go down, score. I'm thinking for sure it's going to be a high scoring game.
It looked good.

No question.

Well, actually, I think the next thing was basically Buffalo getting down there. And, you know, I think they missed a field goal or something, dude.
Like, it was like

so hard. They scored on their first two possessions, and then they drove it down on their third, right? They did.

They scored very near because it was, they was walking the joint down, yeah, and that was when Tua got it. He was going on the snaps, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, they shortened.

Um, I think uh, they had a penalty. Actually, they were still driving now.
I think about the second, the second drive, they were still driving, and they had penalties that that

slowed them down, and they weren't able to convert. And then they went on down there, scored on him again, and it was 14-7.

And so, you know, I'm thinking, it's still a chance because they were able to drive down. They let some penalties slow them down.

And the good thing was, too, in the first half, that Miami did a good job of converting on first downs.

So that second, the next drive, when they ended up scoring before halftime, Tyree Kill, they converted four first down, four third down conversions.

Tua used his feet on one and three to tyree kill a third and 12 like a third and seven and a third and five he converted all three of those to get down there and they ended up scoring before half with waddle caught that slant you know i'm saying getting in the end zone so they got the ball with four minutes that was an amazing four minute draw

you know that was from the missed field goal the missed field goal they were able to go ahead and they was able to get down there so

again a short a short field and able to get down there and go ahead and get seven. Now they tied up at halftime.
So, you know, they're in a fight. You know, right now,

you know you gave miami some hope you know

and they like you know we could go out here and do this i think it was it was the tail of two halves because the first half it was seven it was 14 14.

and then on the second half uh defense third quarter wasn't too much action well josh allen them came out off the rip first drive

in the third quarter so that put it to 21 14 but not too much more action was going on in the third a lot of punts you know what i'm saying but it was that fourth quarter that really was the tail of the game a defense play done the third but that fourth quarter, man, when they got the stop, you know what I'm saying?

Two of them went down. They scored.
You know what I'm saying? They get the side of 21, 21, now. 21, 21.
And then they get a stop. The tide of the Jane, the game could be changing.

And they go for the punt. And my man runs into the punter, which changes the whole trajectory of the game.
You know what I'm saying? Then they go down there and score. So it puts the game to 28 to 21.

And I think that was just, those are the mistakes that you cannot make if you want to beat, you know what I'm saying, the Buffalo Bills. You can't beat yourself.
They were in the fight.

They were getting them to punt. They were forcing them to punt.
They didn't drive down there and score on them. So now it was 21-21.
We getting the ball. You know what I'm saying?

They were doing a good job converting. They made the fourth down, fourth and four, got down there and scored.
So

when you're playing the Bills, though, those are the mistakes that you can't make.

Yeah, for sure. So my,

I mean, I think they still had a chance until, you know, you got to that last, you know, that last interception right there i think it was maybe three minutes or so left whatever it was and

um you know you going in to you know possibly get seven and then you know you had an interception and that you know to me that basically sealed the deal

that definitely sealed the deal yeah that that killed that killed everything that was going man you know the best i think the biggest thing that they did is they showed that they wasn't dead dude like it's like yo we yeah we had it we had a players only meeting week one but you know that was to get to where we are now.

And I mean, they didn't come away with the win, but the mindset, the way they played, you know, except for, you know, certain parts of it, um, the biggest thing is Buffalo, they, they made the plays when it counted.

The defense made the stops and the offense made the scores. Yeah.
And, you know, or a pick, whatever it may be.

Um, they kept the game close as long as they could, but, you know, the second half came and I think

what helped them keep it close too was Buffalo. I mean, they had some, they had some drop passes.
You know, they had some

penalties that were, you know, stalling them in that second half. So that helped, you know, Miami be able to keep it close.

And of course, the rough and the kicker and the late interception, that was just, you could

crush them. I think

they kept it close, man. It was a really, really good game.
You know what I'm saying? There's going to be good plays, going to be bad plays, there's going to be penalties here and there.

Keeping it 14 to 14, going in the halftime was all good. Like you said,

the roughing the punter, that started the whole thing.

But for real, when you finish the game off with that pick, they're driving down, you're making plays, you're getting the ball, you're actually hitting water on some, on some five and outs, you're converting on third downs.

That was just a basic smash concept. Running back fast to the flat.
It's three on three over there. He looked directly where he was going.
And that brought my man Shepard right.

straight through. Soon as he looked over there, he ran and then it's three on he threw the ball right to him.
So you kind of, that's just mistakes that you can't make. You got to look, look it off.

You know where you're going, just three on three over there. As soon as you brought your eyes over there, defense is tall and zone.
We're moving where the quarterback's eyes are going. Yes.

He didn't look you off to the target. If you looked him off on that and then turned straight to it and got it to it, he wouldn't have been that close.
He wouldn't have not been that close.

But him looking instantly, as soon as he got the ball from the snap, bringing his eyes there, oh, he broke on it like a ride, like a ride, like he's instantly, you know what I'm saying?

So just those mistakes that you cannot make there and i i'm not this is here for a tour bashion but he didn't throw the ball well deep at all all of their completions were behind the line of scrimmage he was getting it to hang he was getting it in the tyree kill i mean except for the three those three big third downs yeah but no those were those those were the one when he scrambled away that was about a 12-yard pass that was maybe when the weakest was the one with tyree kill got he passed it seven yards tyree kill went back dipped down and got missing on people you know what i'm saying made yards after catch Straight air yards.

I see what you're saying. A lot of the stuff was just underneath dicks and dunks.
And then when we needed to make plays, I mean, he kind of

turned it over or was fumbling with the snaps on third downs. Just little things that we can't have when we're not.

I'm not asking you to win the game for us, but I'm asking you to just do a little more simple things. Just keep the turnovers down.

Don't put us in positions to lose because at the end of the day, you're not really, you're not doing too much.

You're getting in the players' hands, but the ball being thrown down the field, it's not that.

it's a it's a difference between it's a difference between uh hurting me and and and not helping me a thousand percent yeah yeah you you're you're hurting me if you're turning the ball over um you know if you're not scoring um yeah you're not helping me but you're not hurting me you know you're giving me the opportunity to to go back out there and you know do what it is that we can do to try and keep it close.

But, you know, picks, you're hurting me there.

That's taking points off the board that, you know, that could have put us in a position that, you know, we're looking at possibly going down there the next you know next drive and seeing if we can't get an onside kick or something and see if we come through with it but that that opportunity was just you know snatched away in the last you know in the last few minutes of the game along like i said the two critical mistakes there like yeah those two two big ones man the roughing the punter and that pick that that's not that's not well that's not willing football like josh allen he's not turning the ball over uh they did it like on the first half they only had three possessions in the whole first half of the game, you know what I'm saying?

So, that's the Dolphins were holding the ball, doing converting,

keeping the ball away

seven minutes. Uh, another one was close to six and some change.
You know, they were they were holding on to the ball.

I mean, at the end of the game, though, it was still almost even, you know, close to the ball. No, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure.

But three possessions in the first half is good, and then they scored on two of them, you know what I'm saying?

So, I think they, they, they're, they're moving in the right direction, but you just can't turn the ball over and make make critical mistakes if you're trying to win the game. You stayed in it.

You did good. But it's not a bastion.
Like you said, they fought. They looked like they didn't give up on it.
They didn't give up. You know what I'm saying?

Like that didn't look like a team that didn't want to go out there and try to win that football game. You think they take some type of moral victory out of this, even though they didn't win?

You know what it is. There's no moral victories in it.
You know, once you lose, you lose. All of that stuff is going to be the same.

You took an L on your, on your, on the, on the win law sheet, I would hope just you, you could take the good for what it it is but at the end of the day i i'm not a fan of the the more you you lost you know what i'm saying but yeah you still do exactly what i did wrong so that we can correct that next time and make sure we come out with that win that moral victory stuff i ain't i ain't never been on it i ain't never been on it i think you lost man oh yeah you lost it's no it's no ifs ands or buts about it

so i guess before the game they had some reports surface about players uh you know being late for meetings and having disciplinary issues according to ESPN, tardiness was an issue through last season.

One current Dolphin player said he believes some captains that this past season took advantage of the role. Hmm.

They said Ramsey wide receiver Tyreek Hill were two of the eight voted captain in 2024. They were among repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the seasons.
Throughout the season.

What What do you think of

players like repeatedly being late?

They said players were often late to practice meetings with multiple team sources suggesting this reflecting a lack of respect for McDames,

who was hesitant to publicly, I guess, discipline these guys for

outside of posting fines. Well, let's keep this real though, Debo.
Well, you know, we've been both apart. We've been in the league a long time.
And, you know what I'm saying?

How do you, I know, I know you've been a part of the Steelers. I was a part of the Stillers and the Browns.
And let me just ask you, just open, how do you feel about this?

About players being late to meetings? Because I know I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to be real on our show, Debo. That's what we talked about earlier.

Like, real conversations, real things that go on. So I know what do you feel about tardiness of players? And how do you think this is? What do you think?

So, so, so, my thing on it is you should never be late.

It's nothing that

can go on that that should make you late because you should be leaving with enough time to get there and all that other stuff.

Now,

I understand where you get

certain players get different privileges. Okay.

I understand that because

with time, you know, like like

Buzz would say, he says the three T's. If over time you tell me the truth, I learn to trust you.

So as I build a relationship with that player and I know, you know, what their

demeanor is and how they actually operate, if he comes late one time or something happens and you're late, okay, I can scrub that. But, you know, if you come late again, you can't scrub that.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's a reason that we have the,

what they call it, the code of conduct. It's called

conduct detrimental. Okay.
So it's what is

they call

progressive discipline, right?

So a team has the option of fining you on your first offense, okay? And they can fine you up to a max of

like, I think it's 40% of whatever that max fine is. The second time is 70%.

And after the third time, it's 100% of that max fine. Okay.

Now, that max fine,

that max fine can be a week's salary all the way up to

and including suspension without pay for four weeks.

So

when you get guys

that are just repeated offenders, only way you can get any kind of control is to actually

go to the further spectrum of it that you can because everybody cares about their money. You telling me I got four weeks of playing and not getting paid,

That's not something somebody is going to sign up for or do if they know that. You know what? After my second, third time, or after my third time, this is what's going to happen.

Now, when you get coaches that are like, okay, I'm going to find you and they find you 2,500 and they find you 3,000 and they find you 5,000 and you never get to that.

find of what they call that real panel, that real money, then it's not going to stop them.

You know what I'm saying like especially if you got a player that's you know you're making half a million dollars a week or whatever you you don't even notice that you're just thinking some extra taxes came out you know what i'm saying so

unless the coach makes it a point to do that like i don't know what happens in new england if you're late like i when when bill was there like i don't know what happens i honestly they had me so scared i was just i seen time i'm sitting in my locker like this dude

and uh i kind kind of catch a glimpse of somebody running and it's Tom. He running to the meeting.
I'm like, oh, shit, I'm about to be late. So I jump up and I start running in there.

Everybody in there, but the meeting don't start for like another like five minutes, three, five minutes or something.

So

it's obviously something there happens that don't nobody want a piece of

because nobody is late.

Also, something else they did was your phones. You can't have your phone in the meeting.
It can't be in your pocket it can't be nowhere right so

i don't know this so i'm walking in and as i'm walking in i see like 40 phones just sitting on the floor and i see another dude come past and pull his phone out of his pocket and throw it on the floor i'm like well i bess i bet i better throw my phone on the floor too you know i'm not about to go in and catch something you know what i'm saying so i think When you have a coach that is a player's coach, that's a good thing.

But when you have a coach that's too much of a player's coach, that's a bad thing because now he's not going to go to that point of actually being that, you know, that disciplinarian because he may want to keep a certain relationship with that player or not upset that player.

Who knows, you know, what it may be. I would say

we could go with this too, though, Debo. Mostly we're talking about star players here, because if you're not a good player and you're coming up late, you're not going to be there long.

You know what I'm saying? So I think that most of the time you say

everybody gets treated fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same. Right.

The vets, they got to show the respect and know that's they get treated a certain way and you can respect that, or you could try to get away with stuff because you know you're going to be able to get away with stuff.

And your team could look at it a certain way and just showing up late, that's just not the way that good vets are supposed to move. You know what I'm saying? Take advantage of their privilege.

You know what I'm saying? Like when I was in Cleveland, there was really no,

there was really no too much hierarchy. You know what I'm saying? You learn to get respect from somebody, like you said.
You learn trust in time. And then you can, you can, that's how you develop it.

Like in time, you have to show me that you're going to be on time. You got to show me that you're going to like be in the place you're supposed to be.
And then I'll trust you.

You know what I'm saying? To be able to give you some serious. Know that you have to develop.
You're going to be on time all the time. And I know this is just, this is the way that you are.

So if something. happens, then I know this, this is this, oh man, this isn't Joe.
Something happened, something matter of fact might have happened with his family. Let's make sure he's okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Not just, no, he just doesn't show up to these meetings because it might be a friday thursday night he goes out on thursdays he shows up late to the special teens meeting like that's just not a way you know i'm saying you want to hey what up y'all it's dj envy from the breakfast club now picture this you open the car door you step inside and there's no driver in the front seat the car is driving itself handling everything from pickup to drop off that's what hits you waymo isn't just another ride share it's the future of ride share it's a total way moment it's the feeling when you finally get a minute to yourself where you can sit back relax and actually enjoy the ride.

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The rock. So when I'm reading into this, it's more like they're talking about good players trying to take advantage of knowing the coach is not going to be as hard on them.

Do you know what I'm saying? And I don't think. Well, it's also, like you said, it's the coach, you know? Yeah, no, no, for sure, for sure.
That doesn't, you know,

do what is necessary. You know what I'm saying? I guess they said player-driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniels.

His style, as one current player described it, is laid back without being hands-off.

Former Dolphins player who played for McDaniels said coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft.

I very much think that is misconstrued as being soft because you're in a

game where it is a bunch of really

aggressive, alpha-type males and any form, especially if like if I don't have a

strong or I ain't built a relationship with you, Joe. And, you know, I go and

tell you something that that you see a different side of me and you like yo he's maybe he a little soft you know what i'm saying like it that's a real thing but yeah with you knowing me and me discussing something with you on on a on a more of a personal level it's like okay he must really be going through something because i know this is not what he does and though he respects me enough to be like man is a man you're gonna come to me and tell me something you know what i'm saying he don't really talk about too much so when you're a person that's just open and vulnerable to everyone yeah i'm like

for me that that that would seem that would seem soft like and i can see how you know like like my mom told me when i was a kid dude she was like they go take kindness for weakness so that's why i was always kind of standoffish mean mugging i had you know i got i got rest in what they call you know for man yeah face but that's that's just me because that's what i was taught they take kindness for weakness you know so so don't run around here being happy and jolly and goo-goo laughing.

They looking at somebody they think they can get over on.

And, you know, that's just how I was, you know, that's how I was brought up. What do you think?

I think that I feel this, I know exactly what you're saying.

I think with

this situation, I think that it's just, so we're talking about with Jalen and Mike McDaniel.

Yeah, yeah, with McDaniels and his situation of being, you know, they're saying it's being misconstrued as being soft, him not being as disciplined and strict with his enforcement, you know, of not, you know, when you're late.

No, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. I think, I think that they can get that misconstrued, you know, like you said, it's a bunch of grown men in the thing.

And when you have a head coach that's kind of letting certain people get away with things and not holding them accountable, that could really just show a lack of discipline.

It shows envy and jealousy to other guys too, though.

A thousand and then and well, it starts that with other guys and then you know on top of that some guys like yo well if he letting him do that i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that too and i'm gonna like if he don't do it i'll give you a proper example debo i'll speak it to when i really came when i came to the pittsburgh steelers i've never not stayed in the hotel at a home game that's something that everybody no matter what phil dawson you're 15 years in you better check into the hotel you're gonna have your meetings there at the home game and a little late meetings do your dinner and then bed check you know what i'm saying?

At the home games. When I came to Pittsburgh, the OGs, veterans, Pounceys, you know what I'm saying? After the home meeting, they was like, oh yeah, bet, we're going home.

They're going home. They have a family.
They're like, yo, what you about? I'm like, man, I don't know. Because the coast, they don't tell you if you're a vet, you can stay, but that's just the way.

That's an unknown, unwritten rule. You got to be a vet.
You're an OG. You can go stay at the crib.
Do you know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, he's like, where are you going to go?

I said, I'm going to go home. The trust of Pouncey, you got grown men.
They're not going to go out to the club before the game.

When we wake up early in the morning, I'm trying to go home, pick up my family, go get everybody right, and then come back to the stadium.

It's like, why am I making this extra step when you trust me as a man? I'm not going out. I'm not going to go get seen.

I'm trying to go take care of my body, go get my family, sleep in my own bed, and then head to the game. You know what I'm saying?

Like, then when you see the young dudes like, no, I'm going to hardly go. I'm going to stay in my crib.
No, you can't. You know what I'm saying? You're not a vet.
Then you mess around, be out.

You know what I'm saying? And that's just a whole different situation. The trust of them knowing, Joe, where you at? And then they would call, yo, I'm at the crib.
I bet, see you tomorrow.

You know what I'm saying? Like that's something that people could take advantage of. You could.
As I wanted to, I could go out to the club. I could have went out, did something crazy.

And, but that's not professional. That's not what professionals do.
My job is to get ready for the game.

And Coach T, as a man, was letting me go home and take that step out of waking up super early, having to go to my crib, get my body worked on, get my family, bring them to the game, and then work that whole situation.

He's like, No, Joe, you have a process. You're going, what you going, where you going? To my family, see you tomorrow.
You know what I'm saying? So that's just was the respect factor.

And like other teams, they don't care. Phil Dawson was a grown man.
He's not going to go out. But no matter what, the Browns like, I don't care.
You play for the Browns.

You're staying in this hotel with the team, period. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just, I don't care what you're going to do.
I ain't going to lie. I like that.

I like, I like, I like you're staying in the team.

I love you're staying in the team with the, you're staying in the hotel with the team. I, you're here to get a job done.
Everything else outside of that should be

not even a part of what we got going on. I understand you got a family at home.
You got to do this. You got to do that.
You got to have wifey have everything set up, ready and go.

And so when you get there, everything is coordinated so that you can boom, bam, bam. Because I think when you get into situations like that, like you said, you're going to go home and stay there.

But who says that the vet that's, you know, Joe Blow

didn't decide the one time that he thought he had a soft game. Let me run down here with the boys real quick

and be here or there. Now,

whether word gets back or not, he gets, you know, he gets that privilege and it's not like he's not going to tell somebody. You know what I'm saying?

So now the other guys is foaming at the mouth, waiting for their opportunity and chance to be a vet to do the same thing. So like situations like that, I'm like, nah.

Like when I played for Coward, I don't care. It didn't matter.
Bus Jerome Bettis stayed in the Hall of Famer. he stayed in the hotel

no what no going home i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not saying that that's a bad thing either i'm not saying it's a bad thing either i'm i'm just saying that it's a i i respect it and especially if you want to be that's the thing of taking advantage of your vetness you know what i'm saying like if you do have things that you can do don't disrespect but i think i think also it puts It puts guys in a position, especially if you're a vet, where you know what?

That night at the hotel before the game, I ain't got to worry about nothing at home. I ain't got to worry.

But you have to.

This is where it causes, I think it causes issues for the players and the families.

You don't have to stay there. Wife says, you ain't got to stay there.
Why are you staying there? He don't want to say, I don't want to deal with this. It's a restful night.
I want to get ready

for the game. So now all of a sudden, maybe he got to go home when he ain't want to.
Oh, see,

but how is it? Because old ladies, you're talking about what old ladies talking. Well, my Joe at the crib.

Right.

Right.

Oh, no, that's crazy. I feel you, though.
They could, it could, yeah. It just

opens up another window. I'm just saying, I'm not knocking it.

I feel where you're coming from because it gets to have other people just looking, trying to get to where they're going, why they're getting to do other stuff.

But that's why you say you get people treating people fairly, but not everybody gets treated the same. I could see the same way of nobody can't go.
You know what I'm saying?

But then there's reasons why I would see why they could go. You know what I'm saying?

They're going to go to the crib, like even if they're legitimately going to go, because these dudes do have stuff going on, or you don't have to go.

It's just an option that I just thought was dope that if you're on the team, that you can respect it vets, because that's just, that's the relationship part where you can take advantage of it or you, or you don't.

No, for sure, for sure. Speaking of responsibilities,

former

Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said it's foolishness to believe that Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team.

He said, this is unprecedented, what we're seeing. I think I would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just a normal person.

Tom Brady is the elite of elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in the game. It's not hard for him to watch a few things on Friday or hear.

things in a production meeting and be like

uh have tidbits you'd be foolish. He said, and you'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things.
My thing is this.

I don't understand how, like, they're saying, oh, but he can't go to the production meetings. He can't, but you allow him to still interview them and talk to them.

He's going to get the same thing with just, he just can't go to this. to the facility to do it.
You know,

he can't be at, you know, at the hotel to do it.

Like, yeah but he still gets interviewed him he can interview them off campus i mean off uh off site in person or he could talk to him and interview him that way you're still getting that information and for them to think that

like you got a whole crew like it's fox these that's what these guys do even if he's not there he didn't go to the practice these guys that's all they do is football they're going to talk football even with him just sitting there with them he's going to get things and he's going to be privileged to him.

Like, when it comes down to him being in the actual booth on the headset, that is crazy. So, now I'm just playing devil's advocate.

He didn't tell a coach, he didn't say nothing to a coach, but he on the headset

who actually is in communication with either the coach or a player. Who is he talking to? I don't know who he talks about.
Jerry Jones don't even get in the coach's box and put the headset on.

But Tom, a minority owner, is in the box with a headset on at the coach's box. Who is he talking to? Like, what is he saying?

Like, I don't, this is this is going to get like real, I think this is going to get messier before it gets cleared up if they don't figure out something.

Because the next time this comes around, I don't, I don't know how they cannot let whoever it may be do it. You know, what is your

even like if it's me, you know what I'm saying?

Like, me being James Harrison, and I got that, you know, position, I got, I got, I got 375, you know, from Fox, and then I'm a minority owner of the team, I'm not gonna do it because they go bust my ass, you know what I'm saying.

But if I'm Tom Brady, I'm Tom Brady, they love me, they fought for me to do this. Yeah, I might do it.
I probably would do it. What they gonna do?

Go and find out that I did it, and then have to tell that what we said he wasn't gonna do, he did. So, if you know, if it's if I'm Tom, I might go ahead and do it.

Where you at with?

Man, Tom showing us what he's going to do. Tom Brady going ahead and doing it.
Like you said, they want him in here. They're trying to bend the rules for him to be in there.

I don't think. Not trying.
They did. They did it.
He's in there. Now he's in the booth on the headset.
Like you said, who is he talking to? I don't know.

The quarterback, the coach, I don't know who he's talking to. And

everything, and he don't even do that. With the production meetings and stuff and him not being able to be there, not being able to be present.

So they're going to have production meetings also with his team before they get on the show just to talk just to vibe just to figure out what they but he gets to introduce he gets he he he still gets to talk to them he's just not allowed to do it on site

on site no so he could have them come to another site or he could meet him at another site and talk to him or he could still like like i guess phone or zoom whatever it may be and talk to him he just can't be there you're still getting the information James, I'm saying the same thing you're saying, brother.

Hey, I'm saying the same thing you saying. I don't think that I think Tom Brady is getting himself in a situation that, well, like you said, they want him to be there.
He's already there.

I think that as if I was in that position too, I mean, he has two jobs.

It's the owner of the team, a minority owner of the Raiders, and it's the CB, the CBS job where he's making, what is it, like 57.

He got 375 for 10. So about 37.5.

37.5 a year.

He's going to have to, in my, I would have, you got to give up one because no matter what, if you stay doing the meetings, however, you're doing those meetings, not being there, you're still being able to interview the people, there's going to be questions.

And I don't know if he cares about, if he doesn't care about the questions, and he's just going to go ahead and keep going through it, Tom Brady, shoot for it.

But just know, being in those production, not being in those production meetings, but still working for them.

having two jobs at the same time an owner and just having conflict of interest is going to be a question that people are going to ask if you're not doing it it just looks still crazy.

So the questions that people are going to ask you aren't going to go anywhere if you're continuing to work for two

like spots. You know what I'm saying? It's just too.
It's not even too late. It's opposites.
You actually getting,

that'd be like you being able to go and interview everybody and then go play a game against these boys and you get in all the little nooks and crannies and you get to ask all the questions and they.

thinking, hey, it's, you know,

it's Joe. He ain't, you know, he, it's, well, with it being time, you know, it's like, it's time, you know, I'm going to tell him, you know, whatever, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Especially young guys, they don't know no better. You know what I'm saying?

I feel you, brother. I don't think it's a, I don't think it's going to be, it's not going nowhere.
The questions aren't going nowhere.

We're just going to see what the access looks like and it's just happening. Yeah, for sure.
And what we were talking about the other day with the Eagles.

They're going to take a close look at this tush push now.

The league officially is trying to make sure it doesn't happen again. They said it was a false start that should have been called.

So the league training video for officials, which gets shared with coaches and general managers, included showing the Eagles false start and an instruction that the officials ensure the offense isn't getting away with penalties on a tush push.

These dudes is lining up in the neutral zone. They're taking off first.
They doing everything.

Yes, they need to go ahead and put their eyes on that thing, slow it down.

You want to slow down anytime you got somebody getting hit and the defender barely grazes his helmet with the top of their thing.

And the first thing they're announced is to say, yep, that's that was helmet to helmet. Yeah.

Yes, it's time for the offense to get the same thing and slow it down for y'all. Like, I don't, I don't find no issue with it.
I'm a thousand percent fine with this.

It's just because it's just like, and you know what happens too, when the league does stuff like this and makes sends out the videos and set out the films, it's going to get addressed.

You know what I'm saying?

so they're going to make sure they're going to have to line up the correct way they're going to have to snap the ball the center have going to have to be the first person to move the ball so everybody fires off on the same time i'm not against the tush push at all i'm just against people lining up off sides on them starting it you know what i'm saying not not legal you know i'm saying if it's not legal play if the league if you line up legally everybody's head is behind the ball and the ball is snapped and y'all end up pushing people through because you can still push now you know what i'm saying so you can still get behind i thought you wasn't allowed to push at one point you couldn't they said you weren't until 2005.

They made a rule that, because they said the referees weren't able to tell or they couldn't, it was hard to make the call. So they just got rid of it in 2005.

So now you're able to push people in the back. You know what I'm saying? So now since until they get rid of that rule, just take that out.

You can tell if somebody's pushing somebody or pulling somebody forward. Like, I don't think that

that call is that hard. So if they can add, I don't know.

I agree with them. Like, you don't know if he's pushing or if he's trying to push somebody else that's on the side of him or something like like that.
I understand.

Man, they be on this damn slow motion. You can't tell somebody pushing somebody.
Well, hey, hey, hey, hey.

They don't want to slow that down. That's the difference between, you know, no points and six points.
So blow the whistle faster. Once a month is standing up, blow the whistle.

Stop letting all that little swaying and pushing and pulling. That's what get people hurt.
Running up on the pile.

They standing up in the offensive line and just running there, throw themselves in there. Oh, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. Like, stop it.
Blow the whistle, Ref. He stood up.
You know what I'm saying?

I think something else they need to pay attention to is making sure the center is not offsides. Like, he got this thing so deep under him.
Like, his head is over the ball.

And if it's slow, and if it's in slow and they're looking at the play and they see him with his head over the

flag. Flag.
Off rip.

What are we talking about?

The percentage of the tush push, I believe, will drop significantly this year after they've made a conscious effort to actually point it out.

I ain't gonna lie, Debo, I don't think it's gonna change. I think they're gonna still just line.

I think they might line them up because they, I don't think they do it every single time that they just fire off before it was.

I saw two times they did it the last time. Last time? One time, the one time wasn't that obvious, but that second time was

blatantly blade.

It looked like the center was trying to watch when they took off and then snap it. Like, I don't, you can't see that.
You can't tell. It's so fast.
They're slowing it down. Stop, bro.

I don't even need to slow that down. I saw that.
I saw that in Pittsburgh. I saw that in real time.
No question. Like, it's no way.

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I think they're going to be able to do that. And for them to actually have to admit it, And then

tell the people, oh yeah, we should have called that. We missed it.
Dude,

they're going to judge this way more strictly. It's going to be like when they started doing so-called player safety.
And boy, they was calling everything. Everything.

It was the hit too hard flag after that. That's it.
That's what it turned into, the hit too hard flag. You hit him too hard.
Did he get up? Nope. Flag.
Nope. Is he rolling around? Yep.
Flag. Flag.

Get him up out of here. Get him up out of here.
Get him up out of here, man. You go.

Telling you, that's what they was doing

oh man

oh eagles win so the eagles are down two and oh but their offense is less than their presses buddy yeah

jalen

says they ranked 29th in total offense 31st in the pass and

jalen hurts six not even six 5.6 yards per attempt is 24th

who hurts said he takes uh

takes a lot of accountability for a lot of it and just how we go out there because that's my job my job is to go out there and be the general orchestra everything generally orchestrate everything and ultimately make plays what um

do you think he's playing well or do you think he's just playing well because everything else around him is good enough to let him play the way he's been playing and come away with the wins.

I think he's playing good enough to win. I think he's playing winning enough football.
They have a great team. That's the good part.
The thing that I realize about them is the Eagles are a solid team.

They got special teams. They got defense.
They got running game. They have, they have, they have the, they have the weapons.
You know what I'm saying?

So he's not asked to do as much as other other quarterbacks are asked to do.

So wanting his numbers to be crazy or wanting his numbers to be ridiculous, I think he's going to start getting into the groove.

Right now, I'm not saying he's playing in any type of crazy way, but like we said before, it's so much easier to go and study the film and see what you did wrong from a win than a loss.

And it's still only the second week of the season. They're 2-0, not 0-2.
So it's not like they're nothing, like everything's falling apart. They still, he still can't improve in his passes, obviously.

They only had two passes over 15 yards this whole since the season started.

So definitely just being able to get some more, give some more, give Devontae some more opportunities, give some more deep passes down the field.

I mean, it's not, it's nothing to panic about, but still at the same time, he's never going to give you 400, 500 yards passing.

He's going to always just make sure that the team is on the, they stay above the chains, handing off to Saquon, making sure he converts and uses his legs.

And when they get tight, using that touch push, you know what I'm saying?

So he's never really asked to do extremely too much, but when he is asked to do something, like when it gets to the playoffs, right now, this is the regular season, the beginning of the season.

We know what Jalen Hurts is capable of. We know what their team has done before.
So I'm not going to always like say, oh, no, Jalen, your numbers aren't crazy. You're 2-0.
You're figuring it out.

It's the beginning of the season. I trust in you.
I know you're watching tape.

I know you're doing the thing that needs to be done for you to continue to get better throughout the season and hopefully try to get to the Super Bowl and win another one. Like his goals are.

longer than just, oh, how am I looking the first two games of the season? He's not tripping. Like he's been there before.
People talk crap about him all the time. So I know he wants to do better.

He knows that this isn't good enough. And he's probably the hardest critic on himself, too.
He wants to be great. He understands he has a great team and continuing to win is the main thing.

If they were losing and he was playing bad, it would be a whole different situation. Oh, it's always a whole different situation.
You know,

but that's why I'm saying him still being able to do this with a win and still continue to try to get better. He knows this isn't top Jalen Hurts.
He's not playing at a

MVP level right now. And I think he knows that.
But continuing to win, it's a lot easier to work on what you're not doing so well when you're winning games.

I think right now, like you said, he's doing what's necessary for them to win, not hurting them. It may not be helping them all the time, but he's not hurting them.

That's a big thing. I mean, I think if you go back and you look at like, I believe it was like the Ravens when they had,

was it Dover or something?

Who was it? The quarterback the Ravens ended up winning that Super Bowl with. And the offense was

like not really that great, but the quarterback, he was just doing what was necessary.

He wasn't really helping as much, but he wasn't hurting them and giving the defense, you know, the opportunities to go out there and basically close out a lot of the games.

I think this is a little different situation, but kind of the same where, you know, he's not asked to do a lot. You got the offense right now.
They're doing great with the running game.

You know, you got

Saquon,

he's doing a tremendous job. The offensive lines are doing a tremendous job.
So, you know, he's not called, like you said, to have to sit back there and go, you know, 30, 40 passes a game.

But, you know, when they get to that situation uh or if they ever do get to that situation i should say where the run is being stopped you know defense is playing stout do you think he can come in there from what you've seen you know just these last few weeks and you know win it with his arm from this last few weeks no but i seen him do it before and i believe that i mean i've seen him throw to the i think him devontae aj brown still hasn't been getting the ball as much he does have capable receivers so i think we do the run game is doing well on just opening up taking the shots being able to throw some more giving more opportunities as he's not really even throwing those deep passes you know i'm saying to become incomplete so i think just opening it up giving him a chance giving him a shot down the field and i think it'll work out i i would believe in jalen hurts i know he's working his ass off and uh he's he's he's a solid player and they got good players around him and he's just working hard so i think it's going he has nothing but

nothing but good is going to happen for jalen bro in my opinion yeah i think i mean as long as things keep going well with you know like you said this the defense and the special teams then i think things will things will work themselves out um

so listen man i went to the gym right

i always go to the gym you're always in the gym right every day so

I went in there and I'm working out, right? And I'm looking at this dude. And

he got like this, he got like this cup. And I see the cup.

And

you know what? I got to go get mine. I'm going to show you.
Go ahead. Talk to the people.
I'll be back.

See, Debo, wow, man. He's about to go get a cup.
But who was I talking about?

Devontae, Smith, Jalen Hurts, Hooped,

Bills.

But look, at the end of the day, the MVP of that game, James Cook,

every tote was almost for a first down. With Josh Allen,

with James Cook there, it's taking so much pressure. Josh Allen is going to do what Josh Allen is going to do.
He's going to scramble. He's going to make passes.
He's going to make plays.

But with James Cook there running like looking so sweet, looking like the MVP, 10 carries a tote.

That's my MVP of the game, James Cook.

Edgeboy had like seven for 71 at one point, bro. Bro, every tote was first down.

Every tote down. I couldn't find it anyway.
Oh, you know, stepped off and didn't come back with nothing. I couldn't even find it.
So

it's like a mug, a little mug cup. And I see a dude and he got one.
And I'm working out. And

I saw what it said, right? So I had to tell him.

I said,

I don't know if you noticed or not, but one of us being lied to, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, huh? I was like, I got that same cup. And it said the greatest dad ever.

So I got to go talk to my kids after they get out of school and see what was going on. Was they lying to me or is that dude the greatest dad ever? You know what I'm saying?

I was trying to figure that out. It was kind of messing with me.
That's all. Yeah, no, it got, see, look, see, there's a whole contemplation going on because I got that same mug.

You do too. So I'm trying to figure out.
Who gave that to you? Man, my Joey and my Jetty. My younger boys told me I'm the greatest dad ever.
I don't know somebody.

Anybody else got something out there like that?

I think every. I thought it was just me damn but i was special no no no i wouldn't damn

you're the greatest dad in your household in my household that's what it is in the harrison house you that man

oh man

for sure for sure uh

now listen what we got here is a failure um

to communicate on

that's not it

what you talking about? Anyway, what you talking about? Nothing. I was talking to myself.
I was looking at something. See, I'd be losing you sometimes.
Yeah,

it wasn't something that I was

anyway.

Pop off. What's the next thing?

We got super chats. We got super chats.
I don't see it. If we got it, I don't see it.
Okay.

I got super chat.

Joe, go. Super chat.
Nat said, James, just want to say your jersey was the first one I ever bought. Love the show very much.
Love you both. Let's go.
Let's go. Good man.
Then we got Dr. L.

Frankie and L. Bellamy said, keep going, guys.
Over 24K subscribers and it's growing every day. 24.
We at 24 now? We had 24K, Debo.

It got to be 25 by now. We're going to have to at least get a G-ball real quick.
You got to at least get a quarter.

At least get a beat.

You ain't got no more?

Man,

I got two right there right now, Debo.

Uh-uh.

No, sir.

But you know what, though? You know what?

So, since what were your highlights of the game? I already told you

who my favorite player was, James Cook. Who was yours?

d

i'm thinking oh

yeah

i gotta you could probably go the same as me if you need no no i gotta well yeah i could but you know josh allen was doing his thing though you know what i'm saying like doing the little flip passes and all that other stuff so i gotta i kind of i gotta give it to him you know what I'm saying?

Even though

I ain't want to give it to him, you know, I feel like they kind of stole an MVP from my guy, Lamar, last year. But anyway, I'll give it to him.
I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna give it to Josh.

Oh, Lord, James, we got another one.

What we got?

Oh, Lord. See, I don't know if I'm ready for this one.
You got okay, we gotta wait till I can't see it. Chris said, Today is apparently National Talk Like a Pirate Day.

We want James to do another weird voice at the end of the show.

oh my god oh my

i wasn't prepared for that one buddy i'll see what i can come up with baby man i know you got it in

you guys

i ain't gonna lie to you i didn't know that i didn't know that about you brother that was definitely not on my listen man i'm a uh my uno call i'm a train i'm a trained i'm a trained actor trained a little a little bit trained but not yeah i'm a trained actor i got my sad card and all that good stuff you know what I'm saying?

Like, I do what I do. You don't got no sad card.

You got a sad card?

Yeah.

Oh,

okay, Debo. You're talking.
Listen, man, heels. You ever see heels?

Heels.

H-E-E-L-S Hills. I believe it's on Netflix.
Okay, look at season one.

Season one, I'm in that. I play a character called Apocalypse.

Yeah, bro, I'm a trained actress.

I was a series regular.

What? Yeah,

season one, though. I wasn't in season two, you know.

Did you die off?

No, I wouldn't take the shot.

Oh, you would, it was doing, it was doing, it was doing COVID? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did it in Atlanta.
Okay. And set lockdown, dude.

We had a whole gym with a wrestling ring and, you know, weight equipment and all that because, you know you couldn't go nowhere you couldn't do nothing so we did all our training in there uh with each other and all that so yeah

even you know trying to make you wear make you wear masks and stuff you know all that like debo i am a six you a man of many hats bro no question very time go check it out though

you go watch that show i'm gonna watch heels man

Hey, you watch the show. You watch the show.
You've been watching. We're going to talk about it next week.
We talk about it on Monday. I'm going to have whatever.
I'm going gonna have some.

I'm telling you, I'm decent in that thing, too. No, for sure.
You're gonna look at that and you're gonna be like, damn, I ain't no Debo had that in him. Yeah, for sure.

I'm a movie critique for real.

Okay. I'm a movie critic.
Okay. Yeah, so I'd be, yeah, I'm gonna need your critique.

I'll be critiquing people's stuff. Okay.
So I'll let you know if it's good or not. Man, listen, man, you let me know.

I'm gonna tell you right now, man.

Yeah, bro. You know, Debo,

even if it's not good, I'm gonna tell you it's good. Listen, man, I'm telling you, it's good.
No, I want the truth. Oh, I'm messing with you, brother.
I'm about to be a poor, honest, poor truth.

Nothing but the truth. Always, Debo.

Come on, man. My good man.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, where are you at? Virginia? I'm in Virginia, brother.
Yeah, bro. That's so far away from Pittsburgh.
You should feel safe giving me a... you know, honestly.

You know what I'm saying?

No, Debo. See, that's what I'm saying.
I'm not giving you the Addie. I'm just just going to tell you, I'm in Virginia.

I don't know Virginia Beach or Tyson's, Norfolk.

Yeah, you're going to have to search for me, buddy, after I give you this review. Dog, dawg, dog.
I'm going to come find you, man. You're going to give me a hug after I give you this review.

I'm trying to tell you, man, listen.

I'm the coldest thing going. If they had ever really gave me a shot, you know what I'm saying?

I'd easily be like the next rock just a little better.

you wrestle

yeah i did my own stunts i did all my own stunts everything you see on there is me and so heels heels is a wrestling move yeah it's about uh like faces and heels so like they're using that throw off so it's a uh it's about uh a family two brothers that are trying to get their small-time wrestling thing big you know

and the characters around it and all that. So you got to watch it.
Oh no, I'm going to watch it for sure, man. Cause I, you know, I used used to get my Rey Mysterio Jr.
on back in the day.

Yeah, you got Stephen Amil in it, you got uh Alexander Ludwig, you got Alan Maldonado, um, Chris uh Bauer, you have uh Mary McCormick,

um,

is it Crystal?

You know what? I have trouble remembering

Crystal Bernard, I believe,

and

it's a few other people in there, dude.

But yeah, it's a yeah, it's a good show, man. Good cast.
Uh, Michael Malley, yeah, is a writer-director. You have um,

what's his name? From um

oh,

oh, why am I throwing a blank on his name right now?

Is it a movie producer or something? Yeah, yeah,

I'm, I, that, I'm not the one.

I know Steven Spielberg. It was a superhero type thing.
What's his name?

Oh, man. What movie? Was it Loki?

Loki?

Yeah, I think it's Loki.

What's his name? I can see his face right now. Why am I throwing a blank? Anyway, that was like 2020, 2021, something like that.
But why am I throwing a blank on his name right now?

What's your favorite movie of all time, Debo?

Life.

Eddie and Martin Lawrence. great great

dog great

i still watch that

oh and catch little tidbits that i miss and i don't watch it like probably like 150 times

you word for word bar for bar on it now gotta be pete seagull that's his name

pete segal and michael waldron is the other

yeah that's who i'm thinking of michael waldron is um the

lowkey and pete seagull is the director uh

uh

waldron is a writer one of the writers i believe okay um yeah you can't you can't go wrong with with that right there oh no perfect and i'm gonna watch that i'm gonna watch that i'm gonna watch that for show debo what's your favorite movie man

what is my favorite movie life is up there but i think my favorite movie if i just had to ask bro it sounds green mile

I just watched that last night. That's why you said Green Mile.
I just saw that. No, brother.
Man, I didn't know what you watched, Brother Debo.

How about you know you watch Deep Green? You know, I watched it. No way.
But I'm talking cameras. You got

no, man. But Green Milda, that's one of my, that's probably my favorite movie, man.
I love that movie.

You got Green. Yeah, I just watched it.
Yeah. I know you said, I know that.
That's a, that's, that's all right. I didn't.
That's a classic. Yeah, I like to, I like to laugh, though.

I like to laugh. There ain't nothing to laugh about in that, baby.
No.

No, no.

I like movies that make you think too.

Like

some other movies, like

you like the departed was a good movie. Yeah, that was cool.

I like the oceans, too. I'm a big oceans fan.

Oceans. Oh, oceans.

Like Oceans 11? Yeah, okay. That's what I thought.
Ocean, 12, 13, 75.

They started getting oceaned out, though.

They started, man. God damn, they went to ocean.
They was a lot of oceans.

Too many oceans.

Hey, man, look here, man. After that one, man, we're going to go ahead and take off, man.
Hey, we want to thank y'all for joining us.

Joe, you ain't here.

Nothing, man.

Hey, man, thank you for joining us on Deboy and Joe's show, man.

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on Monday. What's the day? Friday? Friday.
Yes, we'll be back again on Monday. After a crazy week of football.
Crazy week of football. Hey, make sure y'all go and watch Heels on Netflix season one.

Yes.

Apocalypse. That's my character.
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