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As you watch the Miami Dolphins lose for the third time this season, the Buffalo Bills run their record to a perfect 3-0 thanks to a score of 31-21 Josh Allen three touchdown passes and two very costly mistakes by the Miami Dolphins in this ball game, late in this ball game, really doomed their chances of potentially winning this game.

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We got very special guests joining us tonight.

We got an Olympic silver medalist in 100 meters, world champion, gold medalist in 100 meters.

Fred Curley joins us.

And we got WWE heavyweight champion, superstar, Seth Rollins, joining us a little later.

But, Ocho, the ball game.

For a moment, we felt like the Dolphins could pull the upset, but two very, very critical mistakes, Ocho.

The Dolphins are not 0-3.

Buffalo Bills run their perfect, keep their record perfect thanks to a 3-0.

Ocho, I tweeted this.

I don't know why that D-lime was trying to block the punt.

Ocho, you had just scored offensively.

You had just stopped them three and out defensively.

You're about to get the football back.

Why?

And Tua, I don't know what Tua saw, but go ahead and take it away, Ocho.

What did you see?

Listen, we went out there.

We played a good first half.

We played a very good first half.

We played competitive football as opposed to everybody else.

You know, oh, we're playing the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills, they finna run us out of the stadium.

We competed.

We played good football on both sides of the ball.

No turnovers.

No turnovers in the first half.

True, correct.

Yes.

None.

None.

Good.

Good.

We good.

We're still in the game.

All the way.

Execute and play good defense.

No mistakes.

When you know you have a team that's better than you, you're already 0-2.

When you know you have a team that's better than you, you can't have any mental mistakes.

Brooks, you got the C on your chest.

It was third down.

You dropped Josh Allen.

You tackled Josh Allen all the way down to the floor.

What are we doing?

You gave him another set of downs and another offensive series.

Yep.

Siegler, D-Tackle.

You kill a sinner or the guard, whoever it was.

A dude on the outside with a free run ain't blocking the punt.

I appreciate your effort.

I appreciate your effort, but try to, come on, you know, you ain't finna get to that.

You know, you ain't gonna block that punt.

Not in that spot, Ocho.

Not in that spot.

Come on, what you doing?

Like, come on, man.

Tour.

The splits are condensed.

The splits are already condensed.

Your eyes tell you you everything.

He stared at that.

Um the linebacker, everybody knows they teach you in pee wee

when you hike, when you get the ball, keep your eyes upfield so the linebacker don't know where you're going.

Wherever you look, that's where they're gonna go to.

They're gonna flow to it.

They're going that way.

All you had to do was hold hold your eyeliner straight just for a little bit.

Then you know where you're going.

Come on, man.

Two, you know, baby, you know better than that.

Like, we was right down.

We was this close.

we was this close

like come on man

listen outside of us losing we play well except outside of those three bonehead mistakes

i mean come on man we got to do better i mean reek hey reek tyreek i know you're gonna see this hold tight boy hold tight it's gonna get better i'm telling you i remember i had days like this I had days like this.

It's going to be okay.

Waddle, hold tight.

A-chan, boy, you ran your ass off tonight, boy.

You hear me?

You ran your ass off tonight, boy.

I mean,

the whole game.

I don't know if this was the gameplay with Mike McDaniels.

They had condensed splits the whole damn game, damn near.

The whole game.

Bump and run.

They up in their face.

I was hoping at some point, because the running game was pretty decent.

It was pretty good.

I thought they were going to drop a safety and lead one-on-one out there.

They kept two safety up there high with the press running 55 running cover two from press why would i why would i not run 55 against tua where he going you're right you're right i mean like

you bet i bet you won't run that i bet you won't run that against lamar jackson you won't run that covered against josh josh allen you can't or joy jaden daniels you can't because when your back turn he gonna come right out the back door and before you

notice he gonna be 20 yards down the field he touching you on your back turn around i'm here like oh joe all the things you spoke about, those are the mistakes that you make when you're 0-3, 0-2, about to be 0-3.

You make boneheaded mistakes like that.

You can't get out of your own way.

As you mentioned,

they played a perfect game.

They got behind, came back.

Okay, we got a ball game.

We had didn't get blown out in the first half.

We gave ourselves a chance in the second half.

And like I said, I don't know why Siler would try to block that punt.

Not in that spot, Ocho.

You had just scored a touchdown.

You had just gone down the field.

You take Buffalo and you make him go three and out and you try to block the punt.

What?

Why?

I don't know who the special team coach is.

You should have told him, don't even try to block it.

Well, they had defense state.

They had defense state because that's the only reason he's on the field.

So they would like, so, you know, just to make sure they don't do anything tricky, I'm going to keep my defense out there, bring one return back, somebody go off, but I got defensive state.

Okay, don't worry.

Don't even worry about it.

Because the worst thing can happen, you run into the guy and you, well, they call it roughness because he didn't give him a chance to land.

And really, they tried to protect the punter kicker from doing stuff like trying to protect him when they're up in the air like that, Ocho.

But in that situation, the worst thing that could happen, happen.

But when you're owing, when you're 0-2, those are things.

Because you got to think, Ocho, how do we get to be 0-2?

Yeah.

Because it's not like they don't meet.

It's not like they don't have talent.

You make dumb plays plays at the most inopportune of times and it puts you in a bind to all like Ocho said, all you got, you know where you want to go with the ball.

All you got to do is just once you do this, where you think the linebacker going?

Follow your eyes.

You follow your eyes along along with the safety.

Anything at that second level, wherever your eyes is, whichever way your helmet is facing, that is the way the safety is drifting.

Yes.

If you know it's a short throw, if you know the splits are already condensed, that means the linebacker author got that far to go no he already

everybody already tight

straight then when you're ready to throw boom look at your target you go through that that you go through that it's repetitive week in and week out week in and week out like we you know that i'm i'm i'm i'm not a quarterback huh but i just i just know as a quarterback you want to protect your receiver how do you protect your receiver by holding your eyeline so it's not a bang bang blade right

there's how did hansl and gretle get back home they left breadcrumbs you want that you want that safety that linebacker to follow you

lee drop them breadcrumbs which is your eyes he going

what you spoke what you try to do ocho is that if you want him to flow one way you look that way but then you throw the opposite way yeah

because he's gonna go where you you're gonna go because normally it's now unless you matthew stafford you throwing no look passes and stuff like that now that's that's a whole different story ocho but in this situation, it was really two plays that really undid what the Dolphins had done tonight because I thought they played really, really well.

Tua didn't have big numbers.

They did, like I said,

they did a great job of getting the ball out of Tua's hand.

They didn't want to chance anything with that pass rush.

I think Russo

and Bosa, they didn't want Epanessa.

They didn't want to take any chances, Ocho.

So let's say three yards here, swing pass there, five, seven yards.

We're not holding this ball.

Right.

Because the last thing we want to do is get trapped.

Because normally, Ocho, what happens?

When Tua gets sacked, he doesn't have much grip strength.

The ball comes out.

And a lot of people, a lot of people laughing.

Oh, Tua.

Listen, it was a great game plan.

Great game plan.

Mike McDaniel had a great game plan, knowing how good that front four is, knowing you have to deal with Bosa.

Okay, you know what?

I'm not going to put Tua in a vulnerable position.

We're going to condense the the splits the whole goddamn game.

They was two, three yards inside the number the whole game.

The whole game.

Why?

Quick game.

Get it out.

Boom.

If they cut the receivers,

get it to back out, the backfield.

That's why everybody call him check down to or check down to it.

No, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do, which is why he was so efficient without having any turnovers until it came later in the game.

And the running game was one of the reasons why we had success and being able to score 21 points and we just at the end of the game i mean you you can't make those mistakes as a team that's owing to everything has to be perfect you want to be as perfect as possible as possible and it's just i understand look at siegeler you were showing your effort it was an effort play i'm trying to make a play for my team but you you got to know and understand the situation and have situational awareness you're not gonna you're a detackle bro young bull you 200 300 pounds you're not gonna get that or block that But I appreciate the effort.

Who we got?

I think we got the Jess next, right, at home?

I think so.

Yeah, listen, I'm going.

I get, listen,

I'm going on the limb right now.

We're going to win this game because

I'm going to be like Gilly.

I'm coming out the goddamn tunnel with the Dolphins.

You hear me?

I'm going to be the hype man in this game.

That's enough of this shit.

That's enough of that.

I'm not dealing with this no more.

I'm coming out the tunnel with the Dolphins.

I don't care what Mike McDaniel say.

I don't care what Stephen Ross says.

They need me for team morale.

They need me.

I'm going to hype their ass up.

I'm going to give them the pep talk before we play the goddamn Jets.

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Before the game, reports surfaced about players being late to meetings, having disciplinary issues had long been an issue under Mike McDaniels.

Tardiness was an issue throughout last season.

one current dolphin player said he believes some captains the past season took advantage of their role ramsey and wide receiver tyreek hill who were two of the eight players voted captains in 2024 were among the repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the season Players were often late to practice in meetings, and with multiple team sources suggesting it reflected a lack of respect for Josh for Mike McDaniel, who was hesitant to publicly admonish players outside of posting fines.

However,

one Dolphins player who played for McDaniel in Miami said that behavior was exclusive to the 2024 season.

And the issues arose when the team stopped winning games.

Ramsey's behavior became a drain on the team morale, according to multiple sources, including current and former players who said his action varied from being late to team activities to outright leaving practice.

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Former Dolphins players who played for McDaniel said the coach was always open and vulnerable with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft.

Man,

winning cures everything, huh?

I hate when stuff like this happens.

Where you have a, you have a player's coach that's a little bit lenient and he allows you to get away with stuff.

And all players aren't treated equal.

You know that.

All aren't treated equal.

Now, I understand some people obviously having that C on their chest, who you are, notoriety, being a veteran, but there's certain things that you just can't do because when they see one person do it, then everybody else tries to do it, but everybody else knows they can't get away with it based on who they are.

And now, now that everybody's losing, now that we're losing, now everybody's talking.

When you're winning, it's quiet as a mouse.

Ain't nobody saying nothing.

Ain't nobody saying nothing.

Now stuff is leaking out.

Players that play for Mike McDaniel.

When you get a player's coach,

a coach that's vulnerable, a coach that's fun, that's entertaining, that's, you know, very,

like,

very, very loose, like a, I'm trying to think, who can I compare, like a, like a Sean McVay.

I'm not saying coaching style.

I'm not saying coaching style.

I'm just saying one that you can relate to.

He ain't Tom Coughlin.

He ain't Bill Parcells, if you know what I mean.

So he's a little bit more lean.

And you know, I guess you had some players that took advantage of that.

And I'm not saying that the fact that players are taking advantage of that while we're losing, but some of those mistakes that's going on on the field

is a part of discipline, huh?

That's a part of discipline.

And when it comes to discipline, that also reflects the coaching.

So when there's certain things you allow, like coming late and being tardy, it leaks onto the fucking field.

And that's what we're seeing.

They lack leadership.

See,

man.

See,

losing reveals character.

You see, when I told you, when we first first started talking, and Mike Shanahan told me something, everybody, oh, Shannon, shut up.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, you never accept anything in a win, you wouldn't have lost.

I promise you,

playing 14 years old, Joe, you played 11 plus.

You know

they did this when they was winning.

They did the exact same thing.

You never tolerate in a win, what you wouldn't have lost.

If it was okay when you were winning, why isn't it okay when you're losing?

Because you've you allowed them to establish

the coaches, kind of coaches, kind of like give you instructions of how we

the players decide what to build

see when you got a strong foundation

nothing will ever crumble

your foundation wasn't strong your foundational pieces was not strong right

and therein lies you start to splinter

instead of i don't this

the mere fact that they said current and former players are talking it just tells you to the egregiousness of it

it tells you to the egregiousness of it you know you hear things old choke yeah I ain't no reporter I ain't breaking that they're gonna get mad how you know shatter how you know you're not there now they talking now this is what we know chat based on this Over the last couple of years, when y'all say sources don't know what they're talking about, y'all know they done done their homework.

Somebody in that organization is talking.

And it ain't just power-ups, it's players.

They're talking.

And this is what happens

when you put the wrong people in place.

This is what you get.

Remember, I told you, Ocho, I've always tried to, when I played, I always tried to do the right thing because people were watching.

They were watching.

Because they're looking and say, man, man, I can't wait.

I get me about year eight, nine, and I get some and I play really well.

That ain't what you want, Ocho.

Yeah.

You want your best players

to be professional.

Now, a pro and a professional are two different things.

Completely.

A professional is the task, is the job that you have.

A pro is how you do said job.

They're two different things.

I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised.

I'm not surprised at all.

I'm not surprised.

You're not surprised by the names that were mentioned.

I just hate it that it's the names that's mentioned.

I really do.

I hate it.

I hate it that the names that are mentioned.

Because Jalen Ramsey had a Hall of Fame career.

Yeah.

Tyreek got a Hall of Fame career.

Not a good look on neither one of them.

Why?

Ocho, that's what I don't get, Ocho.

When was this, a guy could just leave practice?

If this, what's being reported, Ocho, is true.

Ocho, did you ever have that?

A guy just left practice?

Just leave.

I'm told, just leave, not injured, just leave.

Man, forget this.

I'm up out of here.

Or a guy, I mean, I've heard guys just leaving, man, they get fair to get mad or frustrated and they leave.

Just leave the building.

When did that, oh, Joe, did that take place when you played?

That must have came.

When was that?

Uh-uh.

Yeah, you got to understand we had a different, we had a different setup.

Willie Ellison, Willie Anderson, you know, big, uh big big bobby they they not they andrew whitworth walking out of who practice

brian semmons the keyo spikes walking out of what practice man them dudes would have man i'm i'm saying me in general uh

as as great as i was during that time man they would have yoked me up

i'm being honest i believe you i believe yeah if that's what should happen big really man please man when it would have yoked me up man who the you think you is though man we don't we don't do that it's already bad enough we don't need you to be no distraction.

Now, what you do on the field, that's one thing.

You're doing your job.

But off of it, at practice, oh, no, I want no problem.

I want no problem.

Oh, no.

Let me tell you what I think happened.

They think Brian Flores was too far this way.

And so what do you do?

Instead of hiring somebody in the middle, you go too far that way.

Right.

Look how much space is up in there, Ocho.

There's a lot of room for players to maneuver up in there.

I got a question for you.

Yes.

You think players, forget Jalen Ramsey and Tyreek.

You think players would have showed up late or walked out of practice with Brian Flores at the head?

Hell no.

Goddamn right.

You got absolutely not.

A fool, a fool, it's different kinds of coaches, different kinds of mentalities.

Certain coaches, hell, he don't even have to say nothing.

It just, it just

aura.

It's just who he is.

You know not to play with him like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Man,

what we do?

What's the answer?

What's the answer?

Give me your honest opinion.

Give me honest.

What do the dolphins need to do?

What do we need to do?

They're cleaning house.

They're cleaning the house.

They're going to clean house.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Slow down.

Slow down.

Slow down.

Clean who?

They're going to clean the house.

You think so?

Tyreek's going after this season, if not by the trade deadline.

They've already got rid of Jalen Ramsey.

Yes.

They're changing the culture.

Am I going to be shocked?

I'm surprised Mike McDaniel is still there.

Because

when you say you're finding players, obviously they have to come out of payroll.

Obviously, you have to write it up what they're being fined for.

Why are you taking money from them?

The general manager sees that.

So you got to understand the situation that we,

Dolphins fans, myself, people have been fans for this organization, meet since 1978.

If you say we're cleaning cleaning house, we're basically hitting the reset button.

And before we get a competitive team, it will be a very long time from now because you know how long it takes to rebuild yourself back up to being a winning organization.

Yep, you can't, you can't win with you can't win with leaders like that, though.

You can't

can't win with leaders like that.

I mean, I wish I can, you know, dress it up for you nice chat, but you can't.

You can't.

You have to have an extreme.

If those guys are your leaders,

I'm talking about your main leaders.

Yeah.

You think Tyreek did this with Eddie Reed?

Ram didn't do this with McVay either.

Different culture.

Different cultures.

But what?

But why, Ocho?

Don't you want to win?

You see what I say, guys?

I see,

I tell you,

guys say they want to win, but do they really want to win?

Are they doing the thing?

Because it's just what you do, Ocho.

You win Monday through Friday.

You just play the game on Sunday.

You win the game on Monday through Friday.

I don't get it.

I don't get it.

I don't.

And I can't.

Remember, when these issues were arising, when these issues were happening, they actually were winning.

That's when the issues occur.

When you are winning and you understand what you get on Sunday, then the coaches are a little more lenient with some of the stuff away.

We had the same issue in Pittsburgh.

You already know what I'm talking about.

Yep.

Erdo.

See, we didn't get to see that part until it came to a head

where enough was enough

production and tolerance yeah as long as production is here yeah tolerance can be here right

tolerance will never outweigh production

when tyree was getting 1900 yards you didn't hear a thing you see how high his production was his tolerance was up there too He had 900 last year.

Production dropped.

Tolerance was still up here.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no right

we we we we gotta get we gotta get me young bull in a in a in a in a in a rightful situation so that he can flourish oh joe he came from a structured ocho if you normally when you come from a structured environment if you go look at somebody in the military more times than not not always what are they always on time yeah very very disciplined huh very you go look at and the way they keep their homes very tidy Yeah.

So no matter, even when they leave the military,

they kind of still gravitate towards that.

Very OCD in a general, and just in the way they live.

Yes, yes.

So it's surprising to me.

No, it's not.

It's not.

It's not.

It's not surprising to me.

Players say they want to win,

but they actually think just winning the game is winning.

You win in practice.

You win in meetings.

You win in the training room.

You win in the meeting rooms.

That's when you win.

They just looking at winning on Sunday.

That's not the only way you win.

You win Monday through Friday.

That's when you win.

I just don't get it.

I don't.

And I'm never going to, you're not going to make me understand because like I said,

I mean, what do you got to do?

Ocho, how are you late?

I can see if you're leaving one, somebody that got two jobs, ocho, and they run, they, hey, they got off the one job late, getting to the other.

I get it.

I don't know another player that has another job, right?

He got one job making 30 million, one guy making 22, 23 million, and you late.

Oh,

I've been late before.

It wasn't a continuous occurrence, though.

Yes, yeah.

Oh, Joe, we

I can tell you when it was.

It was in goddamn December, and I opened the door, and the snow everywhere.

It took me forever to get out of the goddamn parking lot.

I get it.

Look, everybody, I think, has been, I mean, I shouldn't say everybody, but most players have been late at least once.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I don't think what they're talking about is a

once occurrence.

Reoccurring.

Yes.

Yes.

Ocho, like I I said, one time, hey, it ain't going to happen.

But see,

that's how Mike was.

Overweight, Mike going to hit you for $50 a pound.

It's just what it is.

You late to the meetings?

Hey, you can pay the normal finder you can pay it in cash in front of the team.

The choice is yours.

Now, tell you,

Mike will get rid of you.

Hey.

You can't win because

you're fostering a culture

that

as the old guys start to move away

this is what you're going to be left with yeah

and so that's what that what what do they always say ocho you try to get the bad apple out because the bad apple will spoil the rest of the apples

but but listen sometimes your bad apple is also sometimes your best player

yeah

And there lies the problem.

I said sometimes.

Yes.

And there lies the problem.

Let me ask you a question.

Why do the Patriots win so much?

Who is their hardest worker?

12.

You see the foundation that he laid?

Yeah.

I guarantee you, it's the same way in Kansas City.

When you get your best players and they're the hardest workers, your Michael Jordans, your Kobe Bryants,

your Josh Allen's, your Patrick Mahomes, your Peyton Mannings, your Tom Brady's.

It's easy to follow those guys.

Yeah.

But you got to have a strong, that guy got to be strong.

And

guys don't want to let guys like that down.

Damn, man.

It's bad.

We knew it was bad.

Oh, Joe, we knew it was bad.

We knew it was bad, but what I was doing.

Not like this bad, huh?

I think we knew.

I knew it was bad.

I'm just saying the way we played the night, the fight that we showed, the the resilience that we showed, that you know, the whole world they doubting us.

Oh, y'all don't have y'all don't stand a chance.

Y'all gonna get run out of the stadium, Buffalo from the beach, all hit it.

No, we played good competitive football with three mistakes, with three mistakes.

And I hate to blame it, but that cost us the chance to tie the game.

It costs us, it just did.

Damn, man.

I still got my tour jersey on, though.

You know, I, You know.

Yeah, I see.

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Oh Joe, we're going to move along.

Former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce says he thinks it's foolish to believe Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team.

Pierce said, this is unprecedented.

that we're seeing.

I think it would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just the normal person.

Tom Brady is elite of the elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in this game.

It's hard for him to watch a few things on Friday's practice or hear things in production meeting and be like, hmm, and I have tidbits.

You'd be foolish enough to think that he's not going to share those with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things.

Those conversations don't matter, Uncle.

Tom Brady's the seven-time Super winning quarterback.

Six with the Patriots and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Him going to another team practice and sharing with the staff for the Raiders ain't helping it because it means nothing once you touch the field and you have to execute.

You have to execute.

It comes down to X and those.

Monty Ormano, winning your individual matchup, having a conversation about what I saw don't mean nothing.

Matter of fact, small example.

We watched Canelo Sparr.

One of Canelo Sparrow partners was Jeron Boots Ennis.

And then when it was time to fight, another switch hitter and Bud Crawford didn't matter.

It didn't matter.

No, but what if they got intel?

What if they got intel of what Bud was actually doing?

I'm giving you a look on what you're going to see Sunday.

No, no, no.

I don't want no look.

I want to look from what you're telling me.

Jeron Boots Ennis is not Bud Crawford.

So so let me ask you so let me ask you

perfect i'm glad you said that jeron boots innis is not bud crawford

tom brady and gino smith tom brady

no so let me ask you what you're telling what whatever you information you give is not gonna work so let me ask you a question so if b mac

so if if if if bud's trainer were to tell canelo's trainer Okay, this is our strategy.

That's not going to help either, huh?

Absolutely not, because if you get in the ring, no matter what I tell you, you, you still got to execute the fight.

Stop it, Ocho.

Stop it.

Stop it.

You know that's not the case.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

Wait, listen to me real quick.

Listen to me real quick.

You playing with the Denver Broncos, right?

Yes.

You playing with the Denver Broncos.

Yes.

And

just say they got your playbook and you don't know it.

They got your playbook.

And John A.

Way called a play in the huddle and you get to the line.

You worried about them knowing what the play is?

That actually happened to us at the time.

You worried about the play with the player.

What you got?

Listen to me.

You're going to get open no matter what.

Hey, I ain't got to tell you no speculation.

It happened.

The Tennessee Titans had our playbook.

Did you get open that game?

Hey, we made what we did.

Oh, Joe.

I made one play.

Jamal Lewis rushed for a touchdown.

The defense took the game over.

We couldn't do nothing offensively.

They had to check for everything that we did.

Every formation we got in, they had the perfect call.

The only play that we made was a formation they had had never seen before where we ran switch routes.

I was lined up in the slot and we crossed.

I went up the rail and the outside guy went up the other scene.

I caught the go ball.

They passed it off?

Nope.

They blew it.

They stayed.

Both of them stayed inside and let me go around the rail scot-free.

I get it down to the one.

Jamal run the ball in.

We ain't do nothing after that because they had the playbook.

Hey,

listen, you cut from a different cloth we think the same we play the same we talk the same so the fact that you not agreeing with me on this i wouldn't care what they know i don't care what plays you know i don't care what time brain tell anybody when i line up on that field you finna get this work oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry you finna get this work my bad my bad my bad yeah you good it's work that don't mean nothing That ain't no competitive advantage because you still got when the whistle blow,

you still got to go out there and execute the X's and O's.

Oh, Joe, if I know where you're going, I'm going to be there before you get there.

Should me?

Come on.

Come on.

That's why you don't ping your location.

That's why you don't tell anybody.

You don't want nobody to get to drop on you.

Yeah, I just, I just, I'm just a thought.

I mean, just a thought as a player.

I bet you ask some of the young players right now.

Hey, Tom Brady is having a conversation.

And they think it's a competitive advantage, him being in the booth.

I guarantee you all the players right now, man, we don't care nothing about that.

If that wasn't an issue,

why did the NFL not let him do it last year?

If it wasn't an issue or they thought it was an issue?

I don't.

Listen, you know, they.

You said it wasn't an issue.

Why wouldn't they know they didn't do an issue?

No, I'm saying it.

The powers that be that, the powers that be that like to control everything.

everything that goes on like player socks what you wear of course they didn't want him to do it i i mean he doing it this year why oh i don't know i don't know i don't know because you know know you you know how they are you know how they are yeah we we always disagree on this show they micromanage every little thing every little thing they do oh it's a competitive event ain't it ain't because

all the boys still got to get that damn lineup you do

if tom brady and now if brady was actually playing in the game at quarterback for the los vegas raiders now we got a problem No, now we got now we got a problem.

Belichick can't play no games, but he sure did call a lot of great defenses and seemingly knew where everything was going to be.

I mean, he had a lot of great players too to do it.

He had the players.

It doesn't matter to players.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

You told me it doesn't matter.

You see what they did against Seattle?

They knew if they brought a certain defensive package in, what would Seattle do?

Bring a certain offensive package in.

Right.

They brought a 5-3 in.

They say, well, Seattle's going to throw the football.

I just think, look,

it's going to be 50-50.

There are going to be people that feel strongly like you do.

There are going to be people that are on my side feel strongly like I do.

I'm surprised that they relented because

if that's true, what information can he get from a practice that he needs to help call in the game?

You say he watched tape all week.

So what does Friday practice do for him?

He watched it on tape so why does he need to why does he need to be in production meetings yeah we we and i mean to me we making too much of it we making too much of it we making

i think oh choose i think enough people go ahead i think enough i think enough people on both sides have strong opinions both ways

that's why if it was if it was like

You see how close they came for the tuck rule, getting the tuck rule out because you got people strong on both sides.

Oh, it's fine.

nah nah that's a competitive advantage so forth and so on because i remember you couldn't push the guy you couldn't aid the runner you couldn't push him and help him gain yards now you can but i just think the thing is is that

tom

it is definitely a situation where the nfl is gonna

gonna um

gonna look back into it yeah all right ojo we got a very very special guest joining us this guy has done something that very few track and field men in the track and field game has ever done he's he's one of the few men that has run sub 44 in the 400 meters, run sub 19.8 in the 200 meters, run sub 980 in the 100 meters.

He's a world champion in the 100 meters.

He's an Olympic silver medalist in the

100 meters.

And I think he won the, he's on the world relay in a relay team.

Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Fred Curley.

Fred, what's going on?

I think you're mute, Fred.

Can you hear me?

Yeah, we got you now.

We got you now.

What's going on, bro?

Chilling, chilling, chilling.

Can't complain.

Let's start with this.

You watched Ced today,

4778.

Two women.

I mean, think about it.

You had to go to get on, basically to get on, you got to run one of the 10, 11 fastest times ever for a woman just to get on the podium.

How impressive what you saw Sid do?

Basically, she said this year, I'm done with the hurdles.

I'm not doing the hurdles.

I'm focusing on

the four flat.

And her sole purpose is to take that world record down many thought was untouchable.

How impressive, how impressed are you with what she's doing, Fray?

I think it's crazy.

It's something that I have not done, been done in 39 years and to have somebody great as her to accomplish that is amazing.

And I feel like she still can go faster.

She's just still young and just the open four.

Her babies is the 400 hurdles, but it's no telling what she can do in the open four.

I feel like she can go even below what she did.

I feel like she's still young at it.

Her body's still young.

I feel like she can do some, still can do some amazing stuff in that open 400 meters.

You believe she can go sub 47.5?

I feel like she can go faster than that.

I feel like, yo, it's Sydney we talking about.

Yes.

Yo, so she got she got talent that I don't think no woman on this earth have got or no woman have discovered yet.

I feel like she's amazing.

So every time she touches track, it always has been a world record in her

young days.

So I feel like the sky is the limit.

And I feel like

she still got a lot more in the tank.

I feel like that 47 where she ran was just chill mode, really.

When you look at it, Fred, I think a part of it, because they're talking now that maybe, and Bobby, Bobby Kersey, he coached Flojo, Gail Deavers.

Gail Deavers was a two-time Olympic 100-meter champ.

We know what Flojo is.

We don't need to say anything.

Valerie Briscoe, at the time, she married hooks, and now she's Valerie Briscoe hooks.

She was the first to do the double, the 4-2 in 84 in LA.

Last time the Olympics were in LA.

Guess what?

In 28, the Olympics are going to be in LA.

Could you see Bobby Kersey going to the Olympic committee and says, look, we want to do something unprecedented.

I feel like the thing that they can do unprecedented is the 4-4.

I feel like she always can do anything, but if

the timeframe presentable, I feel like like any, and no telling what the Olympic committee can do for any of us.

Right.

Right.

You watch, I mean, I don't know how much of the, are you watching the

world championship?

I watch YouTube University or Twitter University.

I get all the news when everything come on them channels.

I have not watched it live.

How surprised are you with the way Oblique Seville has run this year, ended up winning the world championship, the 100 meters?

He caught Kushane.

Kushane always gets a great start.

I was surprised

how easy Seville made it look.

Noah got the bronze, but Noah didn't have a whole lot of races.

Handicap what you saw and what you think happened.

I don't think I was so much surprised about the race.

He's been showing it since I raced him in Jamaica.

It's all about peaking at the right moment.

A lot of athletes have not raced in September.

They end their season in August each year.

So every time you end your season early, you don't get that extra boost.

And what I saw in the 100 meters, I feel like he was always capable of doing it.

He just ended up short-handed.

And this year he showed what it was.

And for Noah, I feel like I don't think he was so much concentrated on 100 this year.

I think he was so much concentrated on the 200.

He lost the 200 last year.

And I feel like he wanted his revenge.

The 200 is baby.

I feel like he wants the 200 more than 100.

Yeah, I think so too.

To be a four-time, I mean, he's already three-peeded, so now he wants the four, something that no man on the track has ever done.

Well, I think Usain has done four

200.

He got DQ'd, and I think he got DQ'd in 100%.

That was just 100.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, let's talk about you.

Yes, sir.

You had a whereabout violation that you was possibly contesting.

I don't know if you're still going to contest.

I'm still contesting.

I ain't did not wrong, so my people are still fighting for all that.

Okay, but they said you're the first, if I'm not mistaken, track and field athlete to be a part of the enhanced games.

Yes, sir.

And enhanced means break a world record with the enhancing.

I mean, obviously on the protocol.

If you're trying to fight to say, well, you know what?

I did nothing wrong.

This was just a whereabout.

I mean,

I'm sorry I didn't give you, say, I was in Miami and I was supposed to be in LA or I was in the Bahamas and I was supposed to be over here.

Why would you take this?

Why would you do the enhanced game?

Come test me.

You know what I'm saying?

Come text me.

I'm not tripping.

You can come to my house any second, any minute, any hour come text me i'm not worried about no mistest no nothing come text me i've been clean my whole entire career you should come text me only thing about signing up to this game make money protect my future equity is everything ownership is everything for me and they did the exact job i got ownership And a lot of track athletes, when they get done with this sport, they don't got nothing to go home to.

I've been to two Olympic games and been world champion, right?

So for me, my understanding is

I got family to feed.

I'm going home.

You know what I'm saying?

Guess what?

If I go call somebody, ask them to tell me to give her 200K, go get a job.

I ain't never had no job.

You know what I'm saying?

Only thing I know is my feet

run.

You know what I'm saying?

So nobody's going to tell me how to make money and protect my family.

My bloodline depending on me.

I'm the first one to make it out.

And my whole job is continue to, if I make $100 million, I'm going to continue to make $100 million each and every year.

So my whole job to protect my bloodline.

So explain to me, tell me this, Frick.

So tell me how the whereabouts do you, okay, so you give them locations of where you're going to be.

They call you or do you put something in right at the beginning of the year and says, okay, this is my, I have a residency here in Texas.

I have a residency in Florida and I have X, Y, and Z.

So how do the whereabouts, how does this work?

So whereabouts is basically we fill it out each quarter.

They got to know all your location.

They got to know if I'm here, where they got to know everywhere.

So

it's basically every quarter you fill out where you're going to be.

But the problem with that, you never know where you're going to be.

Okay, like life is life.

So, it's just like you just got to give them an hour.

They come after hours sometimes.

They come when they want to.

Simple as that.

So, basically, for me, it just feels like I'm in prison.

My dad been in jail.

My dad, my dad been to prison.

He's still on parole.

He don't got to do half of the shit I'm doing to maintain a paycheck.

Hey, huh?

Yeah.

Hey, Fred, basically that's the same thing with us in the offseason, huh?

It don't matter where you are, they'll always have where you're at.

Yes,

man, I don't like that.

It don't matter.

We ain't Fred, right?

Remember, one offseason, it might have been after that 2005-2006 season.

It didn't matter where I was.

So, yo, but you know, the problem with the problem with

football and track, y'all still maintain y'all contract.

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

We don't, no, no, oh, so, so, in other words, you got yo, once you get suspended, you get you get no money.

Like USATF spend my medical stuff.

So

what if somebody like me, like, I'm got to go get money regardless.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, we don't get nothing.

Like,

tracking field not paying me.

Sponsorship paying me.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

So

any of your endorsements?

I don't got no endorsements.

So what people talking about is make money at all costs and protect my kids.

Wow.

So I don't care what, yo, I don't care what nobody say.

They're not feeding none of them.

They're not even feeding me.

So let me ask you this.

You said you want a chance to push your limits.

So you say they can come test you now.

You know, if you take part of this,

Fred,

you're probably going to get a lifetime ban.

Yo, yo, hey, guess what?

It's the one happening.

Go on, do what you got to do.

Hey, just like they got people, I got people.

And I'm blessed.

And I'm highly favorable of the man above.

I like it.

Do you think if you were to go and go ahead and take this process, how do you think Fred Curly is going to be remembered?

Because, like I said, Fred, there's not a whole lot of men.

I mean, you're an NCA champ.

You went to

the 400.

I'm still in the two hunk.

I'm still in the testing pool.

Okay.

I'm still

in the regular government body testing pool.

Okay.

So let me ask you a question.

Do they do blood?

They do blood and urine.

They do both.

I just got a piss test today.

I'm not tripping.

Yeah, you're going to be good.

You're going to be good.

You're going to be good.

You see the problem?

I feel like the problem is they're scared to pay the athletes.

You know what I'm saying?

So

they can't control us when you're trying to make other forms of income.

You know what I'm saying?

So if they can't control what you got in your pocket, how do they sell them that you got the coaches and stuff making more than the athletes?

Wow.

You got agent making more than the athletes.

You got president making more than the athletes.

Are they protecting the athletes?

You got athletes that can't get sponsorship, you got athletes that working the job to maintain their livelihood,

yeah.

So, at the end of the day, it's protecting myself because they don't care about me,

it don't matter how much money I make with endorsements, that stuff end

right,

and without endorsement,

we're not surviving, right?

Right.

So let me, so what's, what's a, what's routine pay for a diamond league?

They say, well, Fred, we want you to come contest the 100 meters.

What, what, what, what does, what does a Fred Curly get?

What does it got?

Obviously, you saying both with a special circumstance.

I feel like

every year has been different.

Everything been like, I can't tell you on a day-to-day,

it's whatever the meat got or whatever the meet

thing is.

the main event of that championship.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

So I can't like every meet is not the same right like only thing that might be the 100 it might be the hurdles it might be the 200 it might be the 400 okay

i'm an american so america look different for europeans okay like we gotta live you know what i'm saying nobody coming to nobody coming to my rescue and ask me if i got this or got that like nobody care like they people gonna live on their regular life If I go dead broke right now,

if I go, oh, no, I don't got it.

so it's protect my future protect my kids you know what i'm saying my legacy my legacy i did everything in this sport i'm still doing everything in this sport

so let me ask you this you're still you say you're still in you're still in the testing pool so now you didn't go to the worlds so let me are you still training so what so what what is it now what what do you do now because basically i don't know if there's anything after the world and so the season basically over do are you getting ready for next are you gonna do an indoor season so world so world so i i i'm not i'm suspended right now previously suspended so they i'm still because texting

okay yeah so i'm not basically banned as yet but they suspended me for competition okay

so right my lawyer's fighting fight fighting that so right now i forever retraining i'm so you just never stop doing what you do just because of this you never know you always got to be prepared for what's what's coming

friend let me ask you this why did you i mean you're great 400 you're great you you were a great you was on pace to be one of the greatest 400 meters what made what made you decide to go to the what made you decide to drop down and do the hundred

see like the um

2019 actually changed everything

my coach left me in 2019 to go get a degree overseas 2020 I was without a coach.

2021, I was without a coach.

And to like a couple of, and and that's when I moved to Miami and started training with Coach Joey.

And I was still doing 400 training, but a 400 training, you got to have somebody there just to push you.

The 400 just started getting boring.

And then all of a sudden, I'm just like, let me just try this.

My ankle got rolled and stuff.

And then I was running on the hurt leg.

And that's when

God blessed me.

I said, I don't know what's next.

And then that's when the 100 just came.

I ran 100 at a meet, I mean, a track meet in Florida.

And that's when the repetition started becoming easy.

And that's when I dropped my first nine.

And I'm like, I'm going to the Olympics.

Yeah, I'm running the 100 at the Olympics this year.

Right.

And a lot of people questioned me around me.

Even my coach questioned me at the time.

But at the end of the day, I'm always going to believe in myself, my self-ability.

I won't get into something if I know I'm not going to be good at it.

Because

it's rare.

Now, we see people do the four, drop down to the two because of the strength training.

So, you're really good.

We see people do the two, drop down to the hundred.

I think

what was the guy?

He went to LSU, Xavier.

He won the 400, 100.

S-Man.

Yeah,

he won the four and the one and the SEC at LSU.

And so he's having a problem.

So

I don't know if I've ever seen anybody do what you've done, but it's the times that's most impressive.

To go sub 44, to go sub 19.8, to go sub 9.8.

But for me, do you know anybody else that's ever done that though yeah i do

besides yourself

no i don't know nobody but for me it's just like

it's all about people telling me i can't i hate the word i can't that will make me want to do it even more oh you can't do this you can't do that oh you like i heard that plenty of time when i'm younger so that's why i'm gonna go do it yeah and every time somebody say i can't i've been successful and hey you know what I'm saying?

So I can't complain about what God gave me in my heart to do.

He pushed me to greater things.

So when somebody says I can't, that's when I'm going to do it.

Just like I would moss on Ocho Cinco right now.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on, hold on.

Hey, um, hey, um,

you know why he ran sub 44, right?

Well, you chased it.

Nah, ask him who he trained with.

Yo, that was, yo, these came to the track like one or two times.

That's him who he trained with, huh?

He came drinking.

You got it about Joe.

You be bad at the phone.

Hey,

flew by him.

He was like, you know what happened?

He started training for bots and because I beat him so bad.

Hey, flew by him.

He was like, I didn't know you was that fast to be this old.

I was like, yeah, I'm like that.

So

if this band is lifted,

I don't think there's anything next year, but the USA's and then there's the Worlds in the 27, and then you got the Olympics in 28.

So

what is your immediate plans i'm still running i'm i'm still running i got a salary okay

yo i i got a salary i got equity in the company so i'm still running and still run freely you know what i'm saying you can't people can't deny me of my success like like i said i ain't really missed no tests all the track uh missed tests i missed i will add a track meet

okay

so i i'm not caring about none of what people say but people gotta go into the details and stuff.

See, they're not popping people on drugs.

They're probably people with whereabouts.

Yeah.

So they're not really doing their job.

And guess what?

I got drug tests the next day after the mistest.

I'm not caring about no mistest.

I know

what's really going on.

And we explained to them, too.

Just because I'm a mirror.

Just because I'm.

Go ahead, Fred.

Go ahead.

Sorry to cut you off.

Go ahead.

Just because, like, like I have, I had a rough year and I can't complain.

You know what I'm saying?

So, it's just like

just got to do better

is it a situation, they don't give you a heads up, they just need you, so they call you, say, an hour before the show.

It's no cause.

Oh, they just pop up.

Yeah, there's no cause, none of that.

They gotta, they gotta

see, at least they let us know.

It's none of that.

It's none of that.

That's not fair.

That's not fair.

It's none of that.

See, the problem is tracking Phil are not making no money.

That's how they make their money.

That's why UFC dropped them.

Yeah, the drug test, yeah, yeah, the out-of-test.

So they said they so they're not really doing their due diligence and stuff with everything.

You, I heard you keep saying Americans, Americans.

Do you feel that this system is set up to catch Americans while other countries possibly because everybody don't test like that, like the American get tested?

Right now, I feel like um we live in a time where um

that people like the ogs and stuff back in the day it up for us sorry for cussing but they messed it up for us okay how so

you already know just the og messed it up for us like okay so i don't i don't i don't i don't care about getting tested you can test me every day every minute of the hour So it's just like OGs messed it up for us.

So in other words, it's like those guys were like, well, I wasn't there and I'm sorry.

And And so, that's why they put the whereabout clause in because when they wanted to test, guys said, Well, I was over here, I was over there.

So, now they make y'all every quarter.

So, every three months, you guys got to feel like, Well, I'm going to be in Miami, I'm going to be in LA, I'm going to be in Texas, I'm going to be in Georgia.

No, you got to give them every address.

If I go out to eat, I got to put that address in.

Like, right now, I got to put this address every minute.

They can show up at the time.

Oh, no, come on, now they're doing too much.

Now, y'all ain't nobody.

Yo, I'm telling you, that's not like it's like we in prison.

Like, you got every hour, everywhere you go, you got to

train in block.

You got to give them an hour.

If you leave the house, go down the street.

Hey, they got to know everything.

And that's what people don't realize.

Like, I don't care.

Yo, you can come and test me anytime, but like filling this stuff out every minute, every second.

It's just like, bro, y'all doing too much.

That invading privacy and stuff, too.

When we go overseas, we got to fill out every minute, every second, everywhere.

You know what I'm saying?

Everywhere you go.

If I go to a funeral right now, they got to know where I'm at at the funeral.

People popping up at restaurants to test us.

People popping up at the airport to test us.

Damn.

Yeah, I've got to do it.

So it's basically like we in a plantation.

Wow.

And the outside world don't know what's actually going on.

Because you got people that actually own the stuff, but never getting caught because they're getting paid off.

You got active cases right now in tracking field that you soda and water is not doing nothing about

because they're getting paid off.

Damn, that's a pretty strong accusation, Fred.

There's no accreditation.

The facts is the facts.

Simple as that.

And they know it.

They got cases going on right now.

You can come and test me any day of the week.

And I'm not tripping.

I can show you my, my, my, my, yo, we get us, every time we do a drug test, stuff come to my phone.

Negative, negative, negative, negative.

i'm not tripping

have you thought about transitioning to football you won't get it tested as much no i baseball it's guaranteed money fred you ain't played baseball in 20 years you ain't finna hit no people i've been playing yo i don't got the yo yo i can play what you go fred what position you gonna play for center field

You know they hitting center field, right?

Yeah,

yo, you know my speed.

I know how to catch.

Hey, I know you here somewhere in this county where i'm at you can come check me out hold on you can you can hit the ball yes i can hit the ball you're miami

no i'm not in i'm not in miami i'm talking to

i was gonna say let go to the bat cage

this weekend oh you're gonna be here yeah oh you know i was a i was a 5-2 like you know they would try to draft you

say you good at everything No, I promise.

I promise.

No, the Marlins tried to draft me in 97 out of high school.

Y'all Florida guys, y'all got to stop.

Nah, for real.

Fred, that's like when I beat you when we was out there training.

Like, you was like,

I know one of the greatest runners in American hit.

I know you ain't letting this man come up the street and beat you, Fred.

Yo, you talk about Ocho.

Hey, he thinks he's good at everything.

You see, he thought he was about to get a soccer ticket, too.

Look at him.

You think you're good at everything, man?

Be honest.

Unc right here.

Now, I didn't beat you when we ran 250s.

I ain't never done no 250s in training in years.

So, what what are you talking about?

What we was doing that day?

What were we doing?

I think, what, 150?

We were doing something.

I don't remember.

What were we doing?

I ran it with you.

I don't know.

What were we doing?

I blew by your ass.

I know that.

I just want to know what we were doing.

I can't remember.

Hey, we lined it up this weekend.

Oh, hey, I got my camera ready.

Well, bring your camera out.

I've been training.

I don't, you've been training?

Hey, you just, I train every day.

Yeah, you probably be like your glasses wopsided when I get done with you.

Okay, okay.

Keep that same energy.

Matter of fact, I feel so good, I give you five meters.

Huh?

Huh?

If you go hunting,

I give you 99 meters and we go 100 meters.

What you running, Ojo?

You want him with a 40?

You want 40, 60, 100, 200, 400?

You know what?

I don't want to handicap him.

I want to give him a chance to actually try to catch up.

So

we'll go 80 meters.

80 meters, how much you?

Yo, the first four?

The first 60, you done.

You ain't ain't no chance.

The first you can't even beat T.O.

Hey, that's my dog.

That's my dog.

You can't even beat T.O.

That's my dog.

But listen, I'm a different horse.

I'm a different thoroughbred.

I'm gonna,

I beat you.

You are a world-class athlete.

You're a world-class sprinter, and I smoked you.

And I'm just being honest in front of the people.

The world needs to know.

The world needs to know that you're the biggest cap in the history of sports.

I ain't even got no.

I got a cap right here.

That's about it.

Fred, we're going to get you out of here on this one.

Handicap the 200 for us.

You got, hey, you got

Noah.

The Jamaican ran really good today.

He broke it down, but he looked really good.

And then you got, obviously, you got Tobogo.

You got Kenny Beneric.

How you see the podium?

The podium.

i feel like noah's gonna take it tobogo second and jamaican third wow

wow because it but i believe but i believe somebody's injured and

out of three of them so i don't know they look something

three of them look injured but hey you never know so

you could tell you could tell they're injured by just by watching yeah i'm an athlete i'm a i'm like a track athlete so you can tell like, you can tell people

forcing their runs and stuff, too.

Right, right.

So

those are four people going to be on the podium, regardless, but you never know.

Right.

Right.

So you think, you think, and you're going to, Noah's going to take it because I feel like he got something to prove

because what happened last year, but you never know.

Tobogo is sneaking motherfuck.

Man, Noah came out with the shorts today.

I don't think I've ever seen Noah running shorts.

Noah normally runs in the singlet.

No, Noah's would be running in the shorts, but I feel like he got something to prove.

So he does.

I

feel like we're going to see some nasty stuff in Tokyo in a couple of hours.

Wow.

So you think he's still seething.

from losing that 200 in the Olympics, getting the bronze, because he really wants to go.

I mean, the gold medal, I think the gold, but like you said, the 200 is his baby.

And he has yet to get the medal.

He stands stand atop of the podium at the Olympics.

And so he's like coming back.

Look here, Toboco.

He's got something to prove.

Like, he got something to prove.

And definitely in

the deuce.

I feel like he got something to prove.

And I feel like he's going to show the world what Noah's always been Noah.

So I feel like he got something to prove in it, too.

But Toboco is always sneaky.

He probably is probably faking like he got injured and just show up.

What kind of time do do you think you're looking at?

Is he going, I mean, in 1950, he ran 1951, which was the world league.

They're going 1950.

I feel like

they're going to be between 19.3 and 19.7.

Wow.

I feel like you're going to be something fast.

Wow.

Wow.

You're going to be something fast.

And I won't be surprised 19-2, but I feel like 19-3 to 19-7, those are going to be the winning times.

You think they're in that kind of condition?

I feel like, hey,

that's his last race of the year.

He did what he got to do, and they got some of them probably y'all come to races.

I feel like history always be determined when championship comes.

The real dog comes at championship, and no approves over the years.

He always shows up.

So he probably gonna show up.

How you like the women?

Sharika Jackson looked good.

She ran 20, 21.99.

You got MJ, Melissa Jefferson, a wood.

I feel like Melissa

is going to win the 200.

Hey,

she set some people up this year.

So,

like, I can't, like, my one is, like, that's her.

You know what I'm saying?

The other two, Sharika, probably be on the podium.

And the third, I don't, I don't know about the third because it's all over the place.

Because, you know, we got some faces that fighting just to run some of them times in the semifinal.

Right.

All right.

Fred, thanks for joining us tonight.

We wish you the best of luck in your appeal of the suspension.

Whatever your endeavors are, we wish you the best of luck, man.

Stay healthy and come back and join us soon.

Yes, sir.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate you, bro.

Yep.

Fred Curley

joins us tonight.

He's a very unique athlete, Ocho, as I said before, to run sub-44, to run sub-19.8, to run sub-9-8.

He's special.

He's special.

And to drop down from the four all the way down to the 100, like I said, we've seen him drop down from four to two.

We've seen guys go two to four, go to two to one.

But

we've seen guys do four, eight, but we've never seen, I mean, to do this and do it at this level.

That's one thing, Ocho.

I mean, doing it is one thing.

Doing it at that level is something entirely different.

So hopefully everything works out for him and he'll be back running soon.

I didn't know all the things what he's saying, you know, about all the showing up and the testing and not making anything, not making any money.

I didn't know anything about that, but I'm glad we were able to

get this thing done.

This is Colin Coward from the Colin Coward podcast.

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