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Tom Brady rolled with the Raiders and Fox has been under scrutiny lately.

Ocho, he was spotted in the Raiders' coaching booth with a headset on Monday night.

Many questioned the depths of Brady's involvement with the Raiders as a minority owner and if he gets unfair competitive advantages, his role as a broadcaster due to his weekly production meetings with opposing head coaches and teams.

Ben Johnson had this to say on the matter.

I'm not really worried about it.

I mean, we change week to week in terms of what we do schematically.

He's going to be able to turn the tape on and see what everybody else sees in the world of what we're doing right now.

Personnel-wise, really the same thing.

It's not like I'm going to sit down with him and he don't come and do this, Caleb Williams, or you might get that.

Get it.

Like, there's not anything going on, anything trade secrets or anything going to be exchanged, but I really don't think it's a big deal to be honest with you.

Tom Brady, thank you for some common sense.

Finally, a smart coach speaks up.

Ocho, do you agree with Ben Johnson's stance that Brady positioned, or do you feel he could gain an unfair advantage?

Listen,

I'm not worried about Ben Johnson's comments on what he feels about it.

I'm going to tell you as a player, I don't care who's in the goddamn booth.

I don't care who's in the booth.

There is no competitive advantage because Brady's sitting in the booth.

A competitive advantage would be Brady being the quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders.

That's a competitive advantage.

I don't care.

I don't watch film already.

I know what the Raiders are doing.

If I'm a Chargers player, there is nothing that I haven't seen on film.

There's only one week of film anyway,

if I'm a Chargers player from the the Raiders, offensively or defensively.

I'm not worried about nothing about who's sitting in the booth calling the plays because

everything matters that's on the field in between those white lines when that whistle blows.

I don't care nothing about that.

I got one job to do.

It's a team game with 11 individuals on the field, right?

I have one job to do as an individual, and that's win against my opponent that's in front of me.

There's nothing that Tom Brady can do to give the Las Vegas Raiders and that competitive advantage, sitting in the goddamn booth unless he's on the field playing quarterback.

I'm gonna disagree.

Come on,

what are we talking about?

Let me ask you a question.

So, if I tell you this is what we like to do in this situation, as you're in production, you're at Fox because I'm giving you insight on what we like to do.

There's a reason.

So, if production meetings didn't matter, why are they having them?

Timeout.

You watch film for a reason.

Okay, let them watch film.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

You understand what teams like to do teams have tendencies based on down and distance

what we like to do in film is the same we watch when we watch film it's a if that's all that mattered why did they do spygate if it didn't matter you watch film so why did they do that

you know what that was for a competitive advantage

After Spygate, what happened?

Nothing changed.

They continued to keep winning.

After Spygate.

But it didn't change let me ask you a question when did they put defensive headsets in the defensive players helmet

oh i don't i don't i don't 2009 after it happened excuse me in 2000 when it happened after that the defensive players now had headsets why do they do that ocho if it if you gain no advantage whoa whoa they they the deep the defensive the deep the linebacker has the headset huh only the linebacker and that's just so he can call the goddamn who has who has the headset on the offense?

The quarterback.

Thank you.

So, you thought you were going to, hold on.

Wait a minute.

What does that have to do with it?

The linebacker is a quarterback on the defense.

So, if, ocho, what you tried to say, only the linebacker, you thought they was going to give everybody a headset?

Only one guy called the player?

So, who calls the plays on the defense?

Normally, the linebacker, right?

The same person.

Who calls the plays on the offensive side?

The coordinator.

The quarterback.

I just think you're going down a slippery slope for the simple fact Brady is in.

So if he wasn't, so why is he in the coach's booth?

There is nothing.

I'm just asking, man,

why is he there?

I don't know.

It wouldn't make me none.

He's not on the field.

He's not on the field.

He's not playing quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders.

So in that case, Michigan, when they did what they did, it wasn't a competitive advantage.

People only do things if they gain an advantage from it.

You only cheat on a test if you could.

I ain't even need to cheat, so why did you?

Hold on, hold on.

We can solve this right now, really easy.

Who won the game?

Who was the score?

Who won the game?

Who was the score?

Where's the competitive advantage?

Brady was in the score.

They lost 20 to 9.

Can I?

They lost 20 to 9.

You know why?

Because Brady not playing quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders.

What he does in the booth matters nothing.

They got to execute the shit.

If I try to steal something or if I do insider trading and I get caught, that means no harm, no foul.

I I got caught.

That's different.

I'm saying people are doing things.

So you keep telling me, why did they do Spygate if you gain no competitive advantage?

You watch film every day.

You just told the chat, you watch film every day.

So if that's all that was required, why did they go do extra?

Feeling that it might be a competitive advantage.

You said it wasn't.

You said it was none.

You said nobody gains a competitive advantage.

So, why do they do it?

You're not listening to me.

You're not listening to me.

They're doing it, but it didn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

It didn't matter.

Guess what?

Just because you have a competitive advantage, doesn't mean you're going to win.

It didn't matter so much.

One of, watch Coach Belichick's lieutenant took that same ploy to Denver because it didn't matter.

I know, I got one question.

I can solve everything.

Tom Brady was in the booth for four quarters when the Los Angeles leader played on the shop.

Ocho, you don't, ocho, just because

the score was 20 to 9.

But see, you look.

The score was 20 to 9.

Did you see the Raiders offensively?

You look at the competition.

You're looking at it as a singular event.

So you make it seem.

So let me ask you a question.

So how long do you think

Spygate started?

So it only started when they went in or they started it.

Hold on.

Wait, I don't want to talk about it.

I'm telling you, if you keep saying saying nothing matters because he's not on the field why are people doing things

can i ask you a question let me have one more question

if there was no spygate you do realize we'll never know we'll never know the patriots would they would have because after spy gate they kept winning what do you mean

we don't know what would have happened that's like ocho

is that

We talk about the same quarterback that left the page and went to the Tampa Buccaneers.

He did that.

We're not saying that he's not great but there are a lot of smart people that do that do things because we see guys that do really really well but i want to do better now look it might not be an advantage but there are a lot of people there are enough people that's raising concerns because you go into those meetings and those quarterbacks and those head coaches they share things

Let me ask you a question.

It doesn't matter what you share in the meeting.

You got to execute it on the field.

That's what I'm saying.

saying.

I don't care what you share in the meetings.

We out there man-only man, individual.

You have to win on the field.

So if you know what somebody is doing,

it helps, Ocho.

No, it don't.

So why they go in the huddle?

So why don't they just, why did you stand to the line of scrimmage and call the place?

Why do they huddle up, Ocho?

If the secrecy was not important, why don't they just stay to the line of scrimmage and just yell out the plays?

I mean, that's no, it's not, Ocho, but you said it doesn't matter.

You said I got to execute.

You said I got to execute.

So, why

do

it's a team game, each individual has to execute their goddamn job, whether we talked about it in meeting before the game or not.

So, in other words, if I know what you're gonna do, if I know and you still like, you still not gonna stop it, you ain't gonna stop it.

Okay, I'm telling you,

that's not true.

You're being disingenuous.

You know, you're being disingenuous.

No, I'm not

because you

played the

when y'all got ready to run the ball let me ask you the game you got ready to run the ball did you tell the defense y'all was gonna run the ball why's my

route not why wouldn't you tell them they're gonna run the ball because they gotta stop it

you you didn't hear me you didn't hear me i told dudes not

you tell them everybody's route because they weren't throwing the ball to you every time did you catch 25 passes a game

Okay, now, I just want to know, why didn't you tell them when y'all was running the ball if they got to stop it?

They still got to stop it, Ocho.

So it doesn't matter if you told them or not.

No, see,

we dab into the title when it's no matter what.

Y'all heard what he said.

He said,

if it doesn't matter, you should be able to say whatever you want, tell whatever you're going to do, and they got to stop it.

So why didn't you tell them?

There's no way you truly believe that as a competitor, as great as you were, that somebody sitting up there, what we discuss in meetings on what we like to do makes that big of a difference on on the field at the highest level with the one percenters.

I'm not buying that.

I'm not buying that.

Because you got to execute no matter what.

You watch film, right?

Hold on, let me say something real quick.

Let's say we in week six.

You got six weeks, six weeks' worth of film that you studied, that you watched, that you know teams' tendencies and what they like to do on down and distance.

I've done my homework.

Now it's time to go play.

I don't care what y'all talked about.

I don't care who's sitting up in the goddamn booth i got one job to do get the f open and catch the ball that's it even if you know it's coming most of the time if you study goddamn film you know it the hell is coming anyway

you know it's coming from this i get i get i get i see i see both sides of the equation but it's just hard for me there's i i think the thing is there's a reason why uh they close practices off uh i see there's a reason why they don't normally uh uh they only let when the guys come around, they only let them observe a small portion of practices.

If it didn't matter, they wouldn't do that, but they believe it does.

Okay, Unc, they believe it does.

You, as great as you are, are built from a different cloth.

You, the same one, come on here and talk trash all the time at the banner.

Ain't nobody stopping number two.

I don't care how much film they watch.

Me, mentally, I don't care what you watch.

You could watch 10 years worth of film.

When I step on that grass in between the lines and that whistleblow, and I come to that line, what's my favorite thing to do?

Throw me the ball.

It's coming.

And if you're playing bubble run, I'm going to tell you what I'm running.

And you ain't finna stop.

You can't, you cannot sit here and tell me and truthfully say Brady being in the booth has a competitive advantage when they got to execute the damn plays on the field.

Everybody has to execute, but I do think, I do think to know because the coach is talking about specific game plans and you know what a coach likes to run uh there's a let me ask you a question why did brady keep all those meticulous notes

he said he kept notes of every defensive coordinator just in case he became a head coach every head coach if he ever went back so why did he keep those meticulous notes if it didn't matter

if he even if he keeps the notes right Even if he gets in the position of power to be a head coach and he uses those notes against a former coach that he's playing and has those notes.

Having those notes and making sure the team being able to execute them because you know what's going to come, it means nothing if it doesn't work on the field when the snitch when the when the ball when the ball hikes.

It means nothing.

So, Brady was in the booth, right?

Yes.

And we saw the Las Vegas Raiders offense.

They look a bit more.

But you look for it as a single game.

You're just looking at that.

That.

But Brady is going to call more games.

He's going to be,

he has a 10-year deal.

So let's just say for the sake of argument, he's calling 18, 19, he's calling 19 games.

There's 17 games plus two.

He's calling 20 games a season.

Let's just say he called for the next eight years, 20 games.

That's 160 games.

That means he's going to be came in contact with a bunch of head coaches and a bunch of defensive coordinators that later become head coaches.

We differ.

We differ.

Listen, if you ask a player right now, if you ask a player that's on the field, that's playing the game of football right now, someone that's active, they'll be like, Man, I don't give a fuck, I don't care who's calling the plays.

I don't, I mean, mentally, they are built and wired differently.

They ain't worried about who called the plays.

When we get on the field, I'm for the bust his ass.

I don't care who, I don't care who it is.

Ain't no advantage.

I'm finna win.

Per Diana Rossini, executives are split on whether it's fair or not for Brady to be possibly getting intel on other teams while having a stake in another.

There are some teams like, I don't care.

Like, literally was the text that I got back.

I do not care.

We do not care.

It doesn't bother me.

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without knowing who called you because they're not worried about it.

You can't say that because you don't know which teams.

It might be Philly.

It might be Green Bay.

It might be Hillary.

You don't know.

You know what?

You are the same guy that said sources be making stuff up and say they need to resort to source.

Hold on, let me finish.

Let me finish.

Let me tell you why team like the Eagles don't care, team like the Chiefs or the Packers or team that consistently win, because it doesn't matter how much you game plan.

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It don't matter.

According to the athletic and it it doesn't matter but it also look it doesn't necessarily mean that it's coaches it could also be front office people as well but she said she did reach out some says right it's no big deal some says it's completely unfair it's kind of it's no it's basically what guess what it's basically you and i you say it's no big deal i say

let me let me tell you something real quick oh you you got me good tonight but we started this off real good go ahead let me tell you what would be unfair if tom brady said you know what

i'm deciding to come out of retirement i'm deciding to come out retirement i want to play quarterback for the las vegas raiders now that is a fair that is an unfair competitive advantage now that is

that is sitting up there calling the plays well that don't matter because the person they're like there on the field what we saw the other night monday night yeah that ain't nothing That ain't nothing to deal with.

It says, I think you can figure a lot of things out, big picture, as opposed to game plan strategy.

I think it's a larger picture.

Who's liked and who's disliked in the building?

Who's liked and disliked in terms of usage?

All that from coaches and players to anything is a little nugget of information about what the big picture is going on in that organization and how maybe somebody that's involved that could impact the way Raiders operate.

So right now we have very differing of opinions.

Chad, I know you haven't heard that in a very long time from Ocho and I, very differing of opinions, but we are opposed on this.

I understand what Brady's saying.

I understand what Ocho's saying, but I also understand what the other side is saying as well.

I'm not buying anything you're saying right now.

I'm not buying it because I know I know how you watch it.

I know I know how you were as a player.

And it don't matter who's across from you.

You finna whoop their ass.

I don't care how much film they watch.

I don't care what competitive advantage they may feel they have.

You finna get the job done.

It don't matter.

And it's hard for me to even wrap my mind around, even fathom the fact that, oh, well, they know this.

Oh, well, they told them about this.

Oh, they watched our practice.

So now they have a competitive advantage when we get out there on Sunday.

Man, nigga, please.

I'm sorry.

I'll get child.

I'll give you a prime example.

You finna get this work.

I don't care.

I don't care how much femme.

I'll give you an example.

In 1996, we were playing the Chargers and we went a lot of empty sets.

And in the process of going empty, their check, we had never seen this on tape.

They'd never shown it.

But their check was to go to Vegas.

after two

after vague after hold on after after we checked to this a couple of times and i heard junior say i rest his soul he would say vegas after two times they would go to cover two

i said i said mike i went to sideline i said mike

cool was standing right there i said every time we check to this empty set their check to it is Vegas, which is cover two.

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They check.

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The check is Vegas.

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You tell me if it mattered, I knew what they were doing.

See?

See?

You notice?

Well, obviously, it's a...

What you just said, you never saw this check before.

Listen, you do know every team, every defense, every offense.

They come up with wrinkles you haven't seen before, right?

But it we always

kept

his mouth shut.

I wouldn't have known that, though.

But listen, you got to make the call.

When y'all go spread, he ain't had no choice but to make the call.

Obviously, when y'all in spread, we got to get out of man.

What's the first thing you do?

Check the cover two.

That is the most safe coverage you can have where everybody's so well protected.

There's always

four

or they went to cover six or they went to cover five.

i'm glad i'm glad they stayed in that but look uh uh you don't agree i don't agree we differ we put it like this we have differing of opinions on this it's very it's not very often that ocho and i disagree this hard

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Oh, Joe, excuse me.

The Chiefs are at a surprising or two star, and and their offensive struggles can be attributed to the absence of key players.

ESPN Dan Graziani reported that the lack of continuity at the wide receiver position has created concerns in Kansas City.

I get the sense that the Chiefs are frustrated by the repetitive nature of this: the wide receiver room being decimated every year by injuries and other issues, but they expect to improve once Worthy is back and once Rice comes off suspension.

Kansas City has produced 30, just 38 combined points through two games.

Ocho,

are you concerned about the Chiefs?

Well, we talk about the same thing.

We talk about the same concerns we had last year with the Chiefs at the beginning of the season.

Oh, they keep dropping the ball.

Oh, they're not getting open.

Oh, they're not creating no separation.

I'm not concerned.

The only reason I'm not concerned with the 0-2 start by the Chiefs is, listen, every year it gets more and more difficult.

You know what?

To repeat.

to get back to the Super Bowl.

Teams are a little bit more familiar with what you'd like to do.

They're familiar with the tendencies.

I'm not concerned at all.

And then we say, oh, Rasheed Rice is not available.

I mean,

it's a part of the game.

There are a lot of teams that don't have to have receivers out.

Here, the Green Bay Packers got receivers out.

Brother Watson is not playing.

There are other teams that don't have some of their

key players playing, but they're still finding ways to win.

The Kansas City Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid will find a way to win.

Do they like the start that they have right now?

Absolutely not.

But when football matters most, which is after Thanksgiving, guess who's going to be in the hunt?

It ain't pretty right now in September, and it probably not going to be pretty in October.

But when it matters most, they're going to be all right because they got 15.

They got 15.

But it gets harder and harder.

It got to the point where Brady even couldn't overcome what they had in New England.

He went to Tampa and people say, well, he won a new Super Bowl when he went to Tampa.

Did he not have better talent than what he left in New England?

So Mike Evans was not better than what he had.

Chris Gobman was not better than what he had.

They drafted Tristan Wirth.

That defense was better than what he had.

See, we keep basing on, based on a history, and I agree with you that we look at what Patrick Mahomes, but we have to admit, Buffalo look better.

The Chargers look better.

The Ravens look better.

Teams are getting better.

So to sit there and say, you can't, I don't believe, I've never been one to believe, well, they did it in the past.

That means they can do it again.

No, you got to evolve.

You have to get better.

And if you notice, Ocho, it's getting harder and harder for them.

And it's getting harder and harder for Mahomes to overcome the lack of talent that he has.

Because like you said, okay, we're down

Rashid Rice and Worthy.

Those are our two best receivers.

Okay, so that means now your third best receiver, one of those, or third, fourth, or fifth best, has to go to number one spot.

And now you getting guys playing like, damn, I was really only trying to play them for special situations.

and now ocho they got to go out there and play 25 30 snaps a game where i was really only hoping to play them five to ten snaps a game the running game they can't run it ocho they they they become one-dimensional and it when you know when it comes one-dimensional it gets really really hard it gets very difficult for you to just sit back there and throw the football because team gonna come get you And with that offensive line,

you see

the right tackle again, getting penalties, false start.

Your left guard, not what it needs to be.

Now, I like the right tackle.

They got the guy from Ohio State.

He looks like he's going to be a keeper.

We know what Trey Smith is.

Trey Smith is going to get a holding call again.

Now, you go in there and chalk the A.

Yep.

Yeah, he's going to give us one holding call again.

So you already know that going in.

You know, your right tackle, 74.

Yeah, he's going to give us probably like either going to get one holding call, he's going to give us two false starts.

Yeah, he's going to get that.

Right.

You already know this thing.

It's getting harder, Ocho.

It gets harder because you remember now remember how brady and them jumped out the box and brady won three in four years and then he went a whole decade

yeah when he won another one

yeah yeah i don't i i just i i just don't see it i just don't see it i i think i think patrick mahomes and andy reed as creative as andy reed is I think they're going to find a way to get done.

They're going to find a way to get things done.

They're going to find a way to hide some of the weaknesses that they have offensively right now.

Obviously, it all starts with the running game.

We have to find a way to run the ball.

They got to get Kareem Hunt going.

They got to get Pacheco going.

I'm not sure what they have to do,

but I make Kareem Hunt five years younger.

That's the only thing you can do.

Like I said, but Pacheco, I mean, maybe he hadn't been the same since he came off that injury last year, but he the same.

I mean, you see that.

I mean, well, I'm not breaking chat.

Y'all know, and I'm not breaking news to y'all guys.

Y'all see, y'all see how one-dimensional they are.

And now, when you're one-dimensional, they bring an extra guy and they get they trap mahomes

you you you got to be you got to be able to keep

hey matter of fact it don't even get no easy who they don't they who they got

down the road at the giants i think on sunday night or monday night so that means now they got to deal with kayvon thibodeau and abdul car to come off that edge

Hey,

hey, yeah,

it's a good chance they can start 0-3, depending on how wrestling boys go.

It's a great chance they can start 0-3.

It's not a good, it's a great chance.

But Ocho say he believes in the Chiefs.

We're going to find out.

Only because they got 15.

Only because they got 15.

He's still playing.

He's still playing.

He's top five all time.

He's still playing his top five all time.

Therefore, I'm going to give him grace and him and Andy Reed being able to figure it out.

B.

John Robinson finished fourth in the NFL in total scrimmage yard last season.

Last week, Bijan Robinson had 143-yard outing and a win over the Vikings, his second most rushing yards in a game in his young career, and his third of 125-plus yard performance of his career.

Coach Kareem Hunt says he isn't taking Robinson for granted.

He's definitely the best player in football, without a doubt.

He's unbelievable.

I love the kid.

I love everything about him.

I love watching him, the ball.

I love his confidence.

I love the demeanor.

I love his mindset.

I love the leadership.

I love everything about him.

Ocho, is B.

John Robinson the best running back in the game?

Listen,

I love Raheem.

I'm all for up and big up in your players, but the best running back in the game, absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

And he's really good.

He's on pace.

He's going

on the right spectrum to become one of the better running backs in the league.

I mean, chat, do you agree with me?

Is he top five already?

Has he unseat everyone else that is putting work before him is he better than jameer gibbs is he better than montgomery and and zaquon and then christian mccaffrey even though he's been hurt even though he you know he has a wait a minute now he's really unknow he's really good i'm not gonna lie he got some of the best feet in the game he reminds me of my young brother um god damn lashan mccoy

his movement his lateral movement you know his being able to jump stop and make people miss you know right right in the pocket yes but the best in the game wait a minute, slow down, man.

Yeah, I don't think he's past Saquon.

I don't think he's past King Henry.

If you want to put him and Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor,

if you want to put,

but yeah, yeah.

Now he ain't, but first of all, he ain't the best player.

He ain't better than a quarterback.

So he ain't better than Josh Allen.

He's not better than Lamar.

So I think he meant, I think what he meant, and I hate to say, what Shannon, you heard what the man said.

He meant, maybe he's running back.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

But that ain't what he's saying he he should have just said i think he's the best running back because i guarantee you if i said i tell you what you have to trade bijan robinson but you can get lamar jackson you think he takes that

okay you get you can get uh i you got to trade bijan but you'll get josh allen you think he takes that

if you you could you got to trade bijon but you get uh patrick mahomes you think he takes that

okay that's what i'm saying

so Now, if you want to say running backs, me personally, I think he's phenomenal, but I wouldn't take him over Saquon.

I wouldn't take him over King Henry.

I'm not sure I'd take him, take him over Jonathan Taylor.

I don't think, I don't know, him and Gibbs, they came in about the same time.

So they're close, but

for me, it's a no, for me, when it comes to like Saquon and King Henry, no,

I think they top two.

That's just me personally.

Now, somebody else might have a,

somebody might say, I like Josh Jacobs, and I ain't going to fault you for that, but I'm not taking Jacobs over those big two.

Jonathan Taylor, you say Gibbs, whomever, B.

John.

I'm not taking them over Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley.

That's just me.

And listen, and

I'm not hating.

I'm just saying, just based on what Coach said, he said best at the NFL.

He said best player in the NFL.

Best player.

Listen, he's extremely explosive.

He's extremely elusive.

He's a very, very exciting running back to watch.

Yes.

Very important.

And for him to go in that conversation as best player in the NFL, every time he touches the ball, he has to have the type of impact like a Lazanian Thomason, like an Adrian Peterson, where every time they get the ball, Uncle, you got to hold your breath because you ain't no telling what the hell is going to happen.

That's when we talk about best, like, come on, come on now.

I don't think he's there yet, but he's a phenomenal young player, Ocho.

The way he's left.

I think the thing is, now...

He's more of a complete back than, say, some of those other guys.

Now, you look at Saquon, Saquon can catch the ball.

That's really not what Derrick Henry.

They normally bring in Justice Hill when they want to, you know, when they want to throw the ball, Ocho.

You look at Jameer Gibbs, he'll stay in on some passing downs.

He got good hands.

B.

John Robinson got good hands, but I think he's phenomenal.

I mean, he can catch the ball.

Kirsten McCaffrey can catch the ball.

These are more like your dual threat guys, run and catch.

Derrick Henry is more of your old school eye back guy, toss him, hand him the ball, and let him go to work.

And then on third down, if it's third and seven, eight, you're probably going to bring a different back end.

And

to be fair, based on Bijan Robinson's skill set,

he's on this trajectory of being a top five running back.

He's on that.

He's on that.

He's definitely on that.

But when we talk about best player in the NFL, I think of what Adrian Peterson did.

I think of Ladanian Thomason.

You know,

I'm talking about Hall of Fame caliber type backs that can change the dynamic of a game from anywhere on the field and it's i mean it's rare that we even think about a running back in that capacity now ocho because the quarterback they've taken the running kind of i mean we just we just back started back talking about the running back last year because of saquan and derrick henry was doing what they're doing remember you shouldn't you know there were people saying you shouldn't draft the running back in the first round the running back had been devalued and now we're now we're throwing them right back into the uh the most valued to the uh a best player in the league conversation where for about a decade plus, people weren't talking about the running back like we talked about, like we're talking about him last year and what we're currently talking about them now.

But I think the thing is now because it's become such a passing league because they protect the quarterback and the receiver so much and they don't protect the running back.

They actually harmed the running back because, guess what, Ocho, he can't lower his head anymore.

Remember, you can't lower your head and drop the thunder on somebody.

Yeah, and they've kind of been leaning.

We haven't got that call.

We haven't gotten that call this year, but it's coming.

Yeah.

I'm like, so you want the man to just run straight up and just let everybody put their helmet in his chest.

You're taught to run behind your pads,

you got to have no choice.

You got to.

Oh, Joe, Kyler Murray posted a photo of him wearing a retro Virginia Tech Michael Vick jersey while posing with one of his two pit bulls.

Murray took down the post after seeing online backlash.

In no way, shape, form do I condone animal cruelty or dog fighting.

So I apologize to any to anybody or whoever i affected with that

yeah i mean listen uh

honestly hey honest mistake honest mistake on his part you probably wouldn't even think about that you probably wouldn't even think about that so pit bull and michael vick any so you couldn't get anybody else jersey

michael vick

think about i'm gonna say it one more time michael vick i see i see

we thinking about it

You're not hearing me.

We thinking about it.

We understand it.

He wasn't thinking about it.

Because if he was thinking about it and remember the situation that happened when it did happen, he wouldn't have done that.

That's a that's an honest mistake.

That's an honest mistake because you, you, you know, better, yeah.

If you understood, wait a minute, this happened years ago.

Yeah, he, I mean, this was like 2000, what, 2007, 2008-ish.

So, how was how was Kyler Burry then?

How was Kyler?

Maybe, maybe 11, he was

maybe, maybe 10.

I don't know.

Is he 27, 28?

So, this was 17, probably probably 17, 18 years ago.

Do you think he even remembers?

Because if you remembered, he wouldn't have done that.

Because, okay, you know what?

I'm the quarterback.

Face of the franchise.

I shouldn't do this because this is how they view it.

Yeah, I think people are looking at it like, bro, of all the jerseys that you,

you got a Michael Vick Vatek jersey on.

And then the dogs that you got are pit bulls.

Ocho, if it's not a pit bull, I don't think anybody make a correlation.

If it's a German Shepherd, if it's a Borbul, it's a Chihuahua, it's a Frenchie,

it's just that the Vic jersey and the pit bull.

That's what got you know what, honestly, I don't care what dog it was, it wouldn't matter if it was a dog in general.

You know how you know how society is.

It could have been a Pomeranian, they're gonna link you through what you're doing taking a picture with a dog, and you got that just, you know, it's unfortunate.

Obviously, when we make mistakes,

we will always be remembered by those mistakes, always, always, and including vic include include including myself you're absolutely right it just it is it's what you do after the mistake that

you judge by your uh your most egregious mistake unfortunately that's a society that we live in and we understand that you live you learn and you don't make the same mistake twice and you move on so okay he said he said uh uh uh in no way he doesn't condone dog fighting which i believe he doesn't condone animal cruelty which i believe and uh he wanted to apologize so the greatest apologists change behavior.

I don't believe we'll see Mr.

Murray post something like this.

Now he can post a dog.

Because I remember when Michael Vick got a dog and people tried to date, the man couldn't even get a dog.

Yeah, well, damn.

I mean, yeah, that's good.

Hey, speaking of, I know we don't talk politics on here, and this really isn't the platform for that.

Well, you saw what happened to our brother Jimmy Kelly.

I saw that.

Wow.

I saw that.

But I thought, hold on.

What's the First Amendment?

I thought, oh, never mind.

Yeah, listen.

But do you understand how powerful that power structure is that pull off?

Yes, I do.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

I don't want to get into it.

I don't want to get into it, but I just, I just want to know what you're saying.

Hey, them people powerful.

Hey, them people powerful.

We headed down a slippery slope, Ocho.

We headed down a slippery slope because I remember one time that people said and they made fun of Joe Biden, they made fun of George Floyd, and they made fun of a lot of blacks that got killed.

And they made a lot of fun of a lot of people that did some things.

And that's free speech.

That's free speech.

Now it's an issue.

Like you said, look, it happened.

I mean, you know, but it's just, boy, we got, boy, we're in some times right now.

Boy, these next, hey, you got to be on your best behavior the next three years.

You got to be on your best.

You got, I mean, kids getting kicked out of school.

Kids getting kicked out of school.

Your passports getting redeemed and all this kind of other stuff.

I'm telling you,

and some people that oh, that ain't nothing.

And block, boy, that that's how it's that's how it starts.

You sow distrust

what you do is that you sow distrust with your institutions.

That's the first and foremost thing.

Now, the only truth is I'm giving it to you.

The only truth that you're going to be able to get is from Ocho and I,

and then you sow distrust,

and then I start carving away at certain freedoms that you enjoyed.

Yeah.

Hey, hold on, hold on.

And you know what?

Some of the freedoms they're carving away at, you're not really paying attention to it because it doesn't affect you just yet.

But they always say history always repeats itself.

Because it always repeats itself and it starts very small.

Because

what they're carving away, and we're going to move on, what they're taking away,

this last generation didn't have to fight for.

So it

let's

go here.

Ocho, see, see, when you're doing ocho, when you don't have to fight for something.

Right, right, right.

But see, people, see, we grew up in the time and my mom and grandmother and things, they was in that.

They remember segregation and they remember the civil rights and they remember the Fair Housing Act and they remember the interracial, they remember those things.

We take,

some of this generation take it for granted.

They don't remember voting rights because they've always been had to vote.

So now, as they start to strip things away that you didn't have to fight for, you don't miss it until you don't have it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And listen, I, you know what?

I always love the message.

I always love the fight.

But people never forget they don't understand the power struck and the ecosystem and what you're fighting against.

You can't even see it, so you don't know what to swing at.

You're not hearing me.

I hear you.

I know.

I'm standing low.

You want to fight the fight, but you don't know what to swing at.

All right, but we can go ahead.

Let me grab me a board real quick.

Odell Beckham Jr.

isn't ready to call a career just yet.

In an interview with Complex, OBJ shut down retirement rumors and said he's the healthiest he's been in a long time.

Retiring is not happening.

I just came from the gym.

This is the first time in a long time I can like pop up out of bed, or if a dog was about to chase me, I could take off running.

I'm good, and I know I can play in this league right now.

Ocho, where you, yeah obj says he's not ready to retire just yet he says he's the healthiest he's been in a long time and yeah and he says uh uh uh this is the first time in a long time he could like pop up out of bed and if a dog was chasing him he could take off i'm good i know i can play in this league

yeah i i like it I like it.

Now, coming to play in the league, that's it's all situational.

Yes.

What team will put you in situations that are advantageous where you can do what you can do?

That's the hard part, huh?

Because all the teams have their number ones and number twos.

What situation can you go to?

There are 32 teams.

What teams can you go to that will put you in situations where you can help them offensively?

That's what matters.

It's just not about going anywhere.

It's just not about being on the roster.

Somewhere you can be happy, you can be somewhat productive and help a team win.

I know one team that can help right now, we could help, and they struggling with receivers, dropping the balls, having issues

going down there with 15 in in kansas city what we're talking about

come on now yeah i mean you got one sitting right there

i mean this i i'm i'm not an officer coordinator i'm not a scout i'm just understanding he might not be the odal beckham of the new york giants

he might not be the oldell beckham that we're used to seeing who made that who made the spectacular one-hand catch this odal beckham if given the opportunities he can still make plays that's That's all it comes down to, opportunities.

Sometimes they think we wash.

When we're really not washed, we just don't get the opportunities we used to get because of injury.

They see you one way after you get hurt.

You get hurt twice, they view you in a whole different light.

And then when you start bouncing around teams, Lojo.

Yeah.

And I think the thing is, he's going to have to change his mindset.

You see, like D-Hop.

D-Hop, like, I'm not getting 60 plays a game.

I'm going to get 10, 15 plays, and

I got to make each play count.

And so that's the kind of the way you have to shift your focus because you're not the man.

You're not.

At best case, you'll be third.

D-Hop has accepted the fact with all those all-pros, with all those Pro Bowls, D-Hop accept is Rashid Rice and it's Bateman.

Then it's me.

Yeah, I mean, you understand it.

But see, you and I sitting here saying that, but you know the athlete, the competitive in you, when you're out there, you're not saying that you're like man i i still make these plays i'm just as good as him

yeah but nah it worked like that you and i know that it doesn't work like

one thing yeah one what one one thing you learn once you get that up and age and the young bulls come in

especially most of the young boys you talk about and the names you call they didn't already got their paydays and there's a pecking order it's about understanding that pecking order that means d-hop going to the going to the ravens you understand oh it's they flowers and it's bateman and then, hold on, even before we D-Hop, it's goddamn Mark Andrews.

Well, it was likely.

It was likely.

It likely got hurt.

So you know, I'm third.

If I'm lucky, I'll be third.

More than likely, I'm probably going to be the fourth or the fifth option.

Yeah.

And you have to be willing to accept that.

And that's something that if I could tell Odell, I was like, Odell, are you going to be okay being the fourth or fifth option?

Now, fourth or fifth option, fourth or fifth option don't get 10 targets, Ojo.

Fourth or fifth option don't get, you know.

And let me tell you something.

It's about doing the most with the targets you do get.

Because look at D-Hop last week.

What, one for one?

The week before he caught at Buffalo.

I need all that.

And you know what happened when coaches see that on film, you know, they're going to cook up something for him again.

They try to always try to put him in a situation where he can be successful.

Yep.

Every time we throw it to 10, well, we get we getting a touchdown

and we're going to cook up something.

We're going to add something to you in that first 15.

Don't worry about it.

Just hold tight.

Oh, chill, the Washington, D.C.

City Council gave a second final approval to a new Washington Commander Stadium stadium at the grounds of the old RFK, voting 11 and 2 in favor.

The $3.8 billion project will include a 65,000-seat stadium and a development of the local area.

The Commanders have been playing in Northwest Stadium in Landover, Maryland, since 1997.

The team played at RFK Stadium, located in Washington, D.C., from 1961 to 1996.

The team will now return to the old site of RFK Stadium.

The old building is in the process of being demolished and a brand new stadium built.

I played in the old RFK.

Obviously, I played in the

I played in the new,

what is that stadium called?

It was FedEx Field.

I think it was called FedEx Field, if I'm not mistaken.

They had grass?

Oh, yeah.

Even the old RFK had grass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The old RFK was grass also.

I mean, we played them in 90.

They were good.

As a matter of fact, I think we played them in 92.

They had just won the Super Bowl in 90

and 91.

Or did we play them in 91?

I think it was 92.

We played them, Ocho.

But they were really, they were really good.

They were really good.

Really good.

Really good.

Yeah.

But I mean, you see the Broncos.

I think what's happening, Ocho,

get these new stadiums.

I want to get a Super Bowl.

The Broncos are going to

build a stadium downtown with a retractable roof.

Yeah.

Roof.

Super Bowl.

Wait, downtown Denver.

Yeah.

That's a whole lot of traffic on there.

Hey, when you got that kind of money and you're going to fund the project yourself, and they've seen some of these Super Bowls, Super Bowl went to Minnesota.

The Super Bowl went to New York.

We've seen Super Bowls go to to cold weather places.

So not only that, okay,

draft.

We see the draft going to be in Pittsburgh next year, Ocho.

We saw the draft last year.

We were there in Green Bay.

So they're trying to do things to lure,

have a draft here, have a Super Bowl here.

Because guess what?

What?

Next year's 60 is in San Francisco because 50 was in San Francisco.

That was the Bronco played Carolina.

60 back in San Francisco.

Then you back in SoFi, then you at Atlanta.

Mercedes-Benz.

You see the new stadiums, Ocho?

You see?

Levi,

SoFi, Mercedes-Benz.

You see the direction that they're going in?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Most definitely.

I think that's a play.

Josh Harris Group, I think that's the owner, the majority owner of the Washington Commanders.

I think that's kind of the direction that they're playing in, Ocho.

Excuse me, playing in, heading in.

So $3.8 million, a $3.8 billion project with a 65-seat stadium and a development.

So they'll have shopping things and things of that nature down there.

Plus, Ocho,

hey, Taylor Swift, Beyonce,

Drake Weekend.

Hey, y'all come on down here.

Hey,

football games, college football, bring a national, bring, hey, one of the college football playoff games here.

That's how you recruit.

Hey, y'all want to have a tractor pool.

as a matter of fact hey y'all could have gotta somebody could have the republican or the democratic national convention y'all can have that here

hey you gotta recoup that mind how many different buckets

can we dip out of ocho

ocho tonight we gotta we introduce a new our newest segment play or fade presented by prize picks this is how it works the night camp staff have made a slip of their picks and we could either play their slip or make some changes.

Their slip ahead of Thursday night football is Josh Allen more than 29.5 rush yards.

Oh, I'm changing that.

I ain't checking y'all on that.

Josh Allen gonna give me Josh Allen gonna give me at least 30.

I ain't got to go but 0.5 rush yards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm going that for sure.

I ain't fooling with the staff.

What you think?

You like me?

You like that?

You think I'm good?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

You should be out there.

James Cook, 24 and a half receiving yards.

Take the staff or go higher.

Because you know, James Cook normally catches one or two screens a game, ocho.

Yeah, and at the backfield.

He'll catch some at the backfield and get Jingy with it, too.

So 0.5 more.

He's going to have at least 25 receiving yards.

Absolutely.

All right.

All right.

Tour, 1.5 TDs.

Absolutely.

Because we beating the bills.

So

listen,

see, y'all don't believe in me.

That's the problem now.

People never believe in me.

Sometimes, sometimes you need to listen to your elders, huh?

Listen to your elders.

When your elders tell you something, you don't question them.

You just go with what they're saying because they know.

That teacher.

I know.

That teacher.

Based off history.

That teacher told you you weren't going mountain or nothing, huh?

listen based off history this week it's a trap game huh this is a trap game people don't even realize it it's a trap game it's early in the season the bills flying high for the dolphins morale in general they're gonna win this game i'm telling you all right

he at two are gonna throw three touchdowns

See,

I hate this because sometimes, you know, he'll be getting them

empty calorie stats and touchdowns.

They down by 30 points, and he is still in the fourth quarter throwing the ball.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

1.5.

Damn.

All right.

I'm going to say, you know what?

Okay.

Okay.

I'm going to listen to you.

I shouldn't.

You're going to give me my money back if I lose this one.

And weekly max discount, Mahomes more than 0.5 pass yards.

I'm going to call.

How many yards are they going to give him?

How much he asked for asking for 200?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Mahomes, they got you up a pass for one yard.

Oh, yeah.

Check, y'all know I'm all on that.

I jumped on that with both feet.

Yeah, I'm looking good.

I'm looking good.

All right, Josh.

Break off one of those long-ass runs there early.

Better they're gonna beat the dog stuffing out of y'all, Ocho.

NFL cornerback cornerback rankings have dropped three, uh, have dropped ahead of week three.

Here are your top five, Ocho.

Kashon Nixon, Green Bay, 56 coverage snaps against the Commanders, targeted five times, zero yards allowed.

Mikai Blackman, Indianapolis Code, 34 34 coverage snaps, zero yards allowed, five tackles.

Cameron, okay, Cam, Taylor Britt, 42 coverage snaps.

Trevor Lawrence threw the ball 271 yards.

None in the direction of Cam.

Cordell Float.

Yeah, you goddamn right, they did.

Cordell float, 43 coverage snaps.

Dak Prescott threw the direction three times, but just 16 yards.

And Rosul Douglas, Miami Dolphins, recently signed by the Dolphins just to feel the need.

A cornerback has done a great job.

Are you surprised by so?

It's not, are you surprised by the names that you don't see up here?

I mean, I'm not surprised by the names I don't see up there because they're not up there for a reason.

Most of the

good corners that we're used to seeing, they will later on as the season progresses,

they'll be up there.

The cream always riding to the top, but it's good to see the names that are on there, especially my brother KM Taylor Brent, who's playing really good football.

And

it's all I can show you.

It's all is me.

oh there you go everybody getting strapped lord have mercy everybody getting strapped everybody we strapped it up especially in cincinnati

hey justin jefferson justin jefferson we coming to town cam taylor britt

we strapping in hey y'all piss a jj in for 100 125 and two tubs

hey justin jefferson get your seatbelt ready boy get Get your seatbelt because Cam Taylor Britt, boy, it ain't nothing, boy, you hear me?

And we finna win.

Bingo's gonna be 3-0.

We're gonna be 3-0.

Chase might go for 200.

Hey, Brian Murphy, Brian Murphy Jr.

You know Brian Murphy Jr.

Yeah, number seven.

Yeah.

Yeah, he did here.

Yeah, he down there in Minnesota, huh?

Boy, you gonna, you're gonna, hey,

Brian Murphy Jr.

Brian Flores.

All that exotic stuff and all that blitzing you be doing,

don't try that.

Hey, don't try that because you're gonna leave your back end exposed, huh?

You're gonna leave your back end exposed, and we're gonna take advantage of it.