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All right, Ocho, we just mentioned mentioned it.

The Atlanta Falcons run their record to 500, one and one, thanks to going on the road and winning 22-6.

They shook off a very disappointing loss.

They switched kickers out.

They brought a new kicker in.

He was 5 of 5 and a PAT.

So there's a great chance he's going to be special teams player of the week, but might be the guy from Dallas who kicked a 64-yarder to get it in the overtime and then the game-winning field goal.

So he might, you know, I'm sorry, Romo.

I thought you might get it, but you're probably not.

uh all

uh oh aubrey aubrey is probably gonna get it but the falcons used oh cho an outstanding running game and they hounded mccarthy they got after five sacks in the first half six total for the game they picked him off twice forced to fumble once so anytime you can press hound the quarterback six times pressure them numerous other times and turn him over three times you're probably going to win that game what did you like about what you saw from the falcons Listen, what I like from the Falcons, I'm not even going to talk about the running game and what they did offensively.

The beginning of the game, I really, really enjoyed Pennix and the chemistry.

Him and Kyle Pitts have gotten going.

It was a mismatch.

They put Kyle Pitts in different positions in different places where the mismatches were.

Had him out wide at wide receiver, had him in the slot, had him at the tight end position.

But defensively is where they made their hey.

Obviously, they did what they did on offense with the running game, but obviously it was somewhat, I don't want to say of a snooze festunk, but they got in the red zone, but they couldn't score.

Most of the time, they couldn't score most of the time field goals will get you beat but the fact that they played defense so well and the goddamn vikings couldn't get anything going offensively let alone get in the red zone two score points they only kick field goals as well that's why they won that's where they won the game yeah six points uh but atlanta's defense was outstanding we haven't seen look atlanta's been really really bad ocho over the last five or six years at rushing the quarterback and they made a concerted effort they drafted early they got walker they traded back in the first round got pierce They got brought in Leonard Floyd, who was with Raheem when he was at the Rams.

So, therefore, he's very familiar with Leonard Floyd, and they attacked the quarterback.

In order for you to win, your defense has to pressure the quarterback.

You cannot leave him back there and let him have all day to pat the football.

The Falcons did an outstanding job, and this is what they needed.

They've needed pass rush for a very, very last long time.

I think they say they finished last in the last five years.

They've been last, has the least amount of sacks, and nobody's within 30 of them

so and

oh

i'm going to say the the the one thing i like about the defensive coordinator for the atlanta falcon that last name is old bridge yeah

they don't have a tk watt they don't have a miles garrett but collectively but collectively as a group running stunts stamps different things with the with uh with the defensive line with the linebackers and and adding pressure against you you're going against a rookie quarterback even though he's in his second year this is his first year starts you're throwing stuff at him that's confusing him because that's the one thing you want to do to a young quarterback.

You want to put pressure on him, confuse him, force him to process information a little faster than you can.

And you get what you saw tonight.

Interceptions, fumbles, you get stuff like that.

So

they play really well.

And

I'm excited for the Falcons.

Obviously, Pennington Jr.

now being the starter.

And the future is bright for Atlanta right now.

I don't know why to keep the camera on Kirk Cousins.

Kirk Cousins, I don't know why to keep showing on Kirk Cousins.

He ain't going in.

And nothing was wrong with Penix.

I don't know why y'all, ain't nobody feeling no sympathy for him.

Hell,

as he done backed up to Brink's truck.

Hey, Matt.

Hey, speaking of Brink's truck,

do you know how much Kirk Cousins has made in his career?

I absolutely do.

You know how much?

I don't think people understand.

Hey, he, listen, he's a child of God.

and God has blessed him because his cup runneth over.

Yeah.

So

ain't nobody feeling sorry for Kirk Cousins.

He's standing on the sideline like, man, coach, put me in.

No, bro.

That's over.

That shit sells.

Sit there, draw your $30 million and be quiet.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

They gave him $100 million guaranteed.

$50 million signing bonus.

So he got more money coming.

But I really, I really, really love what I saw from the Falcons, their pass rush.

If they can keep this going, Bijan Robinson out here running the football.

Awesome.

Shadur calling me.

Shadur who

it's only going, Shadur.

Hold on.

What's up, boy?

Nothing sitting here on the show.

What's good?

Yeah, we live right now.

What's good?

Talk to me.

Ask me if you want to come on.

Huh?

I mean, yeah, I mean, you, yeah, you only.

I mean, they could hear me talking, and I said

it was you, but they can't hit, they can't hear what you're saying.

Why you need me?

Atlanta's Atlanta's defense had six sacks,

Harrison one and a half, Doris, one and a half, Pierce Jr., half a sack, Leonard Ford sack.

I ain't see,

I ain't see it.

I ain't see it.

So

Atlanta got after J.J.

McCarthy comes back down to reality after he played so well the opening week.

I think he was, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was offensive player of the week in the NFC, had an outstanding game, spotted the Chicago Bears 17-6, and then they scored 21 unanswered points to take a 27-17 lead.

And the next thing you know, they end up holding on and winning.

JJ played really well, but that's just the ups and downs that you're going to have as a rookie quarterback.

You shouldn't expect him to be even kill,

especially really.

He's not a rookie, but as Ojo said, it's his first year starting.

He's a second-year player, but this is his first year starting.

But

Falcons look good.

Vikings back to the drawing board.

Falcons run their record to one and one with a 22-6 win over the Minnesota Vikings, thanks to a great running by.

Hold on.

Bijan Robinson, 22 carries, a buck 43.

Algier had 16 rushes, 76 yards, 39 rushes, 218 yards.

Pennies Jr.

was 13 to 21, 135, three sacks, but they win this ball game 22 to 6.

Hey, I have a question for you.

I'm curious how you feel about it.

Chat,

you can chime into it and let me know when we talk about the tier one running backs in the NFL, your King Henry's, your Christian McCaffreys.

I think Jonathan Taylor would be in that conversation as well.

Saquon.

Is it time we put, yeah, Saquon, excuse me, I'm sorry.

Is it time we put Bijan Robinson in that conversation as a tier one running back, or is he not there yet?

Is he on the fringe of being tier one?

I'm just curious.

What do you think?

Yeah, he got a...

He got he,

I mean, I need to see another year.

I need to see some awards.

I think I need to see an all-pro or something.

Yeah.

Right.

Because all those guys, I mean, you look at King Henry has basically been doing this since he's got into the league.

Saquon was offensive rookie of the year.

He had another thousand, had an outstanding season.

He got injured.

Now he went to the

Eagles, offensive player of the year.

So Christian McCaffrey's been offensive player of the year.

He's been a multiple-time Pro Bowler.

Royce, 4,000, received 4,000.

I think Bijan is on the cusp.

He would be my next back

to, if you're looking at Jonathan Taylor, you look at, as you mentioned, King Henry, Saquon, and

we can't forget Gibbs and Montgomery.

They're coming.

They're coming.

They're coming.

Okay.

It all depends

because Gibbs and Montgomery don't get the workload that those other guys get.

They split a lot of the carries.

King Henry gets the lion's share of the carry.

Saquon gets the lion's share of the carries.

Christian McCaffrey gets the lion's share of the carries.

If you you notice, Robinson had 22 rushes, but Algier had 16.

So they do a great job.

And, you know, you can preserve your backs and you can, they'll be fresher longer when they don't take the lion's share of the carries.

But yeah, they're right there.

I mean, look, you can put Josh Jacobs in that group.

There are some guys

that are right there, Ojo.

That are right there.

Aaron Jones.

Yeah, okay.

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Um, the Eagles beat the Super Bowl, beat the Chiefs again in the Super Bowl rematch.

The Chiefs are 0-2 for the first time since 2014.

Patrick Mahomes starts the season 0-2 for the first time since his sophomore year in high school.

Jalen Hurts is now 3-2 against Patrick Mahomes, including the playoffs 2-1 in the regular season.

The broadcast caught an exchange between Chris Jones and Jalen Hurts.

Jones said, You don't even have 100 yards.

Hurts, we won the effing game.

Shut your leap up.

Yeah.

Hey,

it was a sloppy game.

It was a sloppy game.

I expected fireworks.

Obviously, you think about the Eagles as great as their defensive line is.

The tush-push dominated the game today.

Saquon was decent.

I don't like the fact that, again, AJ Brown not getting involved into the game the way he should be being a top, when we talk about the top receiver in the NFL, but again it's the offense that they do run they are winning and a lot of people say listen numbers don't matter stats don't matter as long as we are winning games but one of the things that i don't like um is what teams do when it comes to business when you command a certain salary the first thing they're gonna do is they're gonna tell you well what we're paying you doesn't match up to the production that you're giving us.

You know what?

We're gonna need you to take a pay cut.

We're gonna need you to take a pay cut.

That's why I always complain about them not getting him the ball as much um but again they are winning that that that at the end of the day that's what it's all about i just understand the business side of things down the road what they're going to try to pull um outside of that on the chief side of the ball oh this is the receivers they got guys ocho And no matter what you say, they have guys.

Juju is a guy.

Hollywood Brown has become a guy.

They're guys.

Kelsey has been lazy.

He's getting lazy with his head and he's getting lazy with his eyes.

He knows in that area of the field, he has to snap his head.

He knows.

I don't know what he's looking at.

I don't know why he's so lazy with his head.

There's nobody inside

and what's 32's name?

Blanket ship.

He got you, man.

Why are you so lazy?

Your head about it.

You got to snap it around.

It's like he got it.

No, bro, you got to snap that.

You know that.

And you took points off the board.

So in other words, you don't get points and they go down and they get points.

Points, yeah.

They got guys oh joe they got guys i don't care how great mahomes is he's not overcoming that they got guys that running back we and i keep telling you pacheco's a guy there they're 30 there are 50 guys you can find 50 guys in the nfl that can do exactly what is it pacheco could do kareem hunt is past his prime he's a guy they got guys

they got guys

there's nothing special about anybody on that team right now offensively other than patrick mahomes offensively they got guys but but you heard what you just said there's nobody on that team that is special outside of the quarterback.

And that's the most important position.

I'm saying offensively.

I mean,

Chris Jones.

But I mean, look, that offensive line did an outstanding job today.

They ran the ball 34 rushes, 122 yards.

Look, Ocho, I ain't got no problem with the touch push.

But if you're going to let them jump the count, can't nobody stop it?

You remember last year they tried to, a couple of years ago, they tried to put an emphasis on those tackles with jumping the snap count.

And they started calling it.

If you're going to let the offensive lineman jump the count, they start the guards and tackle start moving before the center stops the ball, but no, nobody's going to be able to stop it.

And you can see it, they jumping to count.

Yeah.

But this, I mean, the Chiefs look bad.

There's nowhere around it.

The Chiefs just look bad, Ocho.

They do.

I mean, Patrick Mahomes, you're leading Russia.

I mean, he taking,

and he's going to have to be careful lowering that shoulder.

I know his is non-throwing shoulders, but you're going to be, you got to be careful with that.

But

you throw caution to the wind, Ocho, because you get out there and you're a competitor and

you've lost

the first game, you lost the second game, and you just want to have some resemblance of something offensively and try to stay on the field.

But he's going to need to be careful.

But offensively, they got guys.

I mean, Mahomes, and Mahomes had Thornton wide open, and he overshoots him by 15 yards.

Now they come back and catch him again, and he makes an outstanding play, but

yeah,

they put that safety in the buy and had him make a choice.

Either you stay with the safety, and Mahomes did that dig, safety drove on the dig,

but too late.

It was too late for Mitchell to get over

from the deep third to be done.

But listen, you have to think about when Tyreek left the Chiefs, they just had guys.

And Mahomes was still able to get it done.

For me, as long as I have 15, I'm not a Chiefs fan, but as long as I have 15, I have a chance.

But as long as I have 87, who knows?

He's not that same guy that he was

when Tyreek first left.

You know that.

You watched the game.

You watching it.

I mean,

I'm not breaking news.

And everybody knows I love Neil.

But he's not the same.

It's not even close.

And you lose Rashi Rice, who started at, if you go back and look that year that he got there, he had started to take over.

Okay, they got something.

Worthy has started.

And now he's hurt.

So now you got, man, look,

Baltimore was willing to trade a Hollywood Brown.

The Cardinals were willing to let him go.

Come on now, Ocho.

Look at Juju.

Yeah.

Pittsburgh says, okay, you can go.

He goes to New England.

They're like, nah, you good.

Go ahead.

I think he went to New England first.

Then he comes to Kansas City.

He goes somewhere else, and he's back in Kansas City.

Yeah.

They're better off.

I mean,

if you take those scramble yards out, you got Kareem Hunt got eight carries for 31 yards, along of 11.

Isaiah Pacheco, 10 carries 22 yards

10 carries 22 yards running hard going nowhere

it's got it's got like man

he basically running the place

man i've been i've been running but you're running the place you ain't went nowhere

yeah

they're gonna be all right on i mean listen that's the that's the one team

I will always have a chance, no matter what I have surrounding me, because what I lack offensively, the quarterback I have can overcome it.

This was a bad game today,

but as the season goes on and they make adjustments, it's the same conversation we had with the Chiefs at the beginning of the season last year.

All the goddamn drops.

We ain't got nobody to throw to.

Kelsey can't get open.

He's not the same Kelsey was, you know, back a few years ago.

But again, for some reason, you know what they ended up last year?

And it got damn.

Let me ask you a question.

Do you think Buffalo is

better this year than it were last year?

You like the the way Josh Allen is playing right now?

Yes or no?

Absolutely.

What about Baltimore?

You think they're better than what they were last year?

What about the Chargers?

Are they better than what they were last year?

They are the most motherfucking.

They are the most improved.

Matter of fact, speaking of the Chargers,

I'm still in Vegas.

I ain't even home.

So I'm going to the game.

I'm going to the game tomorrow.

Okay.

No, I don't.

I do not.

I don't been.

I got two tickets.

I don't been outside.

It's time for me to come in.

But I got two tickets for us.

Take your people.

Nah, it was a surprise for you.

I'm good.

I gotta, I gotta stay here and prep.

But we could prep, we could prep at the same time and watch the game.

We could talk about the game and take notes.

And what are we gonna talk about when we get do nightcap?

Yeah, no.

I absolutely do not want to go to the game.

Well, okay.

But

CJ,

CJ said, man,

he told Jalen Hurts, you don't even have 100 yards.

Hurts said we won the effing game.

Now, shut your.

Yeah, shut up.

And that's the ultimate thing.

Scoreboard.

Yeah, at the end of the day.

But, um, how long can they play like this, huh?

How long can you, how long can you play Thornfile?

They did it last year.

You just told, you just told me about the catch situation.

Oh, yeah, I said, I said it, but I'm just asking you, how long are you going to be able to to do that this year?

This is a new year.

When you come against a team that's an offensive juggernaut, that can actually run the ball, that can actually throw the ball, that can actually play a little better defense than what the Chiefs played today.

What happened to you coming?

The Chiefs didn't play that bad.

I mean, what did they give up?

But not that bad.

They didn't play well.

Ocho, think about it.

They gave up 122 yards rushing on 34 carries.

They gave up 101 passing yards on 22 attempts.

So they gave up.

They gave up

6, 116.

They gave up 216 total yards.

If you give up 216 total yards, you're supposed to win.

If your defense gives a poll and opposing offense to 216 yards,

and they have points because they scored off Kelsey Bobble the ball and they got a pick

in the end zone.

Yeah.

And kudos to the left tackle Simmons, the number one draft pick, because you win Got it.

Hey,

I did saw it.

I absolutely saw it.

He was moving, boy, to be that

big.

Yes, but they got to get better.

They got older, they got a bunch of fast guys, but

they don't have anybody that can consistently get down the field and catch the ball.

Hollywood, I mean, they got the guy, those guys are so old.

The thing is about Hollywood Brown is that wherever he catches it, that's where they're going to tackle him at.

He ain't breaking no tackles.

Yeah.

But you got to think, everybody don't have a Jamar Chase.

Everybody don't have a Justin Jefferson.

Like, that's not, that hasn't been the makeup of their team offensively since Tyreek left.

No.

It hasn't.

Rashid Rice.

Rashid Rice was coming in his own.

You could tell he's going to be a player.

Oh, yeah.

He was that boy.

Xavier Worthy.

We saw him get better and better and better.

So those were the guys that they were counting on.

Look, the Chiefs knew that some kind of punishment was coming to Rashid Rice.

The report said they wanted to suspend him for the whole year.

He wasn't going for that.

They settled on six games.

So the Chiefs knew something was coming.

expect Xavier word.

They didn't expect their own guy to run into Xavier Worthy and dislocate his shoulder.

They weren't expecting that.

Look,

Taekwondo Thornton, look, I didn't know anything about him, but he goes to the combine.

He runs 4-2-7.

You're going to get everybody's undivided attention.

You run that fast

at that height, you're going to get people's attention.

And that's what he did.

Yeah.

Juju is, look, he can make tough contestants, catch him, Ocho, but he ain't going.

Oh, Joe, he ain't going nowhere in a hurry.

He's never been a speed merchant.

right but you got to think about it huh this all comes down to the office of coordinator it's all about understanding the players you have and putting the players that you have in positions to make plays based on their strengths you have a coordinator what are their strengths how many shallow calls do you want me to run ocho

I mean, hey, listen, that's what they do.

That's what you got to do.

But guess what, Ocho?

And because you don't have nobody that's great, run after the catch.

So guess what?

Wherever they catch the ball, that's where they tackle that.

In order to run shallows and all that pig stuff, you need guys that can run out of catch.

You need guys that can break tackles, don't you?

But I know one thing:

you keep moving the chains.

You keep moving the chains.

If you don't have someone, oh, wait a minute.

Oh, whoa, whoa, let's think about this.

Let's think about the Patriots.

Think about the Patriots.

They had no speed merchants, but it was shallows, underneath, crosses, middle, middle of that.

I'm talking about not the Moss Patriots.

I'm talking about the Edelman, the Gronks.

You know, I mean, crossing, crossing.

Edelman is better than Edelman is better than any receiver that they got right now on the Chiefs.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'm not comparing.

I'm just saying the route.

I'm talking about the Skins and the Route Conference.

Yes, yes.

That was their thing, and then they attacked you.

But in order to consistently run those, you got to stay on.

You can't get behind the chains.

And a lot of times the Chiefs will fall behind the chains.

They'll get stuck at second and 10.

They'll get second and 12.

They'll get a holding call.

So now, all of a sudden, they don't care if you run a shallow cross.

They're just going to tackle you and get off the field.

Yeah, and you got to have some type of running game.

Yes.

You got to have some type of running game to keep the defense honest.

Some type of running game to keep the defense honest.

But the good thing for the Chiefs is they're not playing the Eagles every goddamn week.

They're not playing the Eagles every goddamn week.

So other games are going to look much better than what they did.

I didn't realize, Ocho, we saw the Chargers do this to them.

i mean that's the thing though i mean at some point in time

i can only scheme so much there's a there when you start giving me gizzards and livers and lice i can only make such a i can only make a dish i can only make so much out of it ocho at some point in time if you want better dishes you're gonna have to give me better ingredients And right now, this is the ingredients that I have, and I can only do so much with it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

it's so funny we we we had these conversations about the chiefs and their struggles at the beginning of the season whether it's the offensive line whether it's receivers getting open whether it's receivers dropping the ball and in this case now

some of the some some of their best players that you expect to step up to the plate with the with the

the absence of worthy, with the absence of Rashid Rice, and they're messing up, the ones that you think you can count on.

And hey, they got to go back to the drawing board.

They got to go back to the drawboard.

The thing is, is, Ocho, is that when you're struggling offensively, the one thing that you can't do is what?

Turn the ball over.

Turn the ball over.

You're about to get points.

Because think about, Ocho, there was a stretch there early in Mahomes' career.

You like 17 points.

He getting that in the first half.

You're talking about for a game?

Easy.

Oh, he's going to get bored of that.

And think about it.

Yeah.

How late it was when they got that 17 because of the longest time they had 10.

And here we are with three minutes left in the game.

They got 10 points.

So we're not used to seeing them struggle offensively like they're struggling.

To make matters worse is that they turn the ball over.

And they don't need to turn it over four or five times because you're already struggling.

One turnover could possibly doom you when you can only put up 17 points.

Points, yeah.

Yeah.

The defense, I mean, the defense held that team to like, hold it, held that team to 20 points.

After they get, excuse me, after they gave up what they gave up in the Super Bowl, they had them, they held them to, it was 10, 10 at the half.

They gave up three in the third, and both of them scored seven in the fourth.

You can't.

Dang.

Look, they're in a very tough spot

because

of the absence of Rasheed Rice and Xavier Worthy.

But ain't nobody feeling sorry for the Chiefs?

Nah, they don't feel sorry for them because they have problems every year.

We talk about their struggles.

We talk about their issues on offense, offense, on defense, off the line.

We talk about the receivers, the tight ends.

And for some goddamn reason, now watch they end up back in goddamn San Francisco come week one in February.

I don't feel as confident as I did that Bud beating Canelo.

So if you ask me to put some money down, I ain't doing that.

And if

they do end up there,

bless them.

But I ain't putting no money that means something to me.

Oh, Joe, the Cowboys beat the Giants in OT.

Brandon

Aubrey kicked a 64-yard field goal as time expired, and then he kicked a 46-yard field goal to win the ball game, 40-37.

CeeDee Lamb had 112 yards on nine catches.

George Pickens, five catches, 68 yards, and a touchdown to put Dallas up by four with 52 seconds in the regulation.

But Russ came back, found

Malik Neighbors over the top.

Yeah.

Oh, my goodness.

I hate when it's.

Hey, that was a great game.

That Cowboys Giants game

might have been the best game of the day.

There was no question about it.

It was the best game of the day.

Oh, it was nice.

They were going back and forth.

Oh, yeah.

Giants defense let him down.

Yeah, I mean, listen,

the Giants defense played well most of the day

outside that one play.

What stretch left?

And he bounced.

You got it wrapped up and

you let Javante.

I mean, it's third and 14, and you let him pick up.

Yeah, you can't do that.

You got it wrapped up.

You got him stopped at the line, and somehow

you let him out.

Damn, that was a good game, though.

Oh, it was a very good game.

As a Giants fan, you got to be optimistic the way they look today, especially with Russet DeHem.

They didn't look as bad as they did previous week and malik neighbors

doing what he got to do

i just the running game running game was decent yeah every basically four yards of carry you can live with that um the thing is ocho is that the the turnover

and i know do you do you guys

he had to press he had the pressure that's not

ocho you can't throw it you can't get thrown down the middle of the field

Oh, no, he was trying to throw to the corner, but he got hit.

Man.

I mean, he didn't have an outstanding day.

He was dealing 30 of 41, 450, three touchdowns.

Dak was

38 of 52, 361, two touchdowns, one interception.

A lot of offense, a lot of, you know, 500 yards from the Giants,

almost 500 yards from

the

Cowboys.

But it just cut moments, it come down to making plays.

I mean, Malik Neighbors, nine for Buck 67, two tubs.

Wandell Robinson, eight for a buck 42,

one tub.

Darius Slayton, two for 61.

I mean, guys are playing well.

CeeDe Lamb, nine for a buck 12.

Jake Ferguson, nine for 78.

George Pickens, five for 68.

Cavante Turpin, four for 47.

Man,

if they let another defender cross their face,

I mean, offend, oh Joe.

On what route?

What route?

You don't let nobody inside of you on the goal line.

That's the easiest throw.

Yeah.

I mean, dude, I'm like, dude, I was like,

I was like,

I just want to be a fly on the wall because I would love to hear

what the coordinator and the position coach are teaching these guys.

Because it seems like they just let guys just willy-nilly just go cross their face.

I'm not letting you cross my face.

It's just like an offensive player, Ocho.

You never let a defensive player cross your face.

So as a defender,

the offensive player not let try to let you cross his face.

As a defender, why would you let the offensive player cross your face?

I don't know.

I don't know, Ocho.

But give the Cowboys credit because these are games that we've seen the Cowboys fade in.

You have the lead, Ocho, and then

guess what?

And in three plays, they're back in the end zone and they got the lead.

But you have to give Aubrey credit.

64 yards, Ocho.

That ball looked like it'd have been good from 74.

Yeah, it is.

He said, he said, obviously, Aubrey having a soccer background as well.

It's one thing to be able to kick far, but to be able to kick far and be accurate is an issue.

That's the problem.

Because the further out you go with the goalposts being as narrow as they are is being accurate from that far out and being able to control.

the trajectory of the ball and where you want it to go and he's really really good at that and i know because he has a soccer background, he's that much more confident in doing so.

Well,

I'm pretty sure all of you guys got soccer backgrounds.

There are no more straight-on kickers anymore.

They used to be, you know, the soccer, you know, the straight-on, the square, the

square-toe guys.

I mean, I don't think I've seen, who was that?

The last guy was probably Mark Mosley, but he was gone before.

I don't think I was in the league when I got there.

I think he retired.

I don't think I played against Mosley.

I don't.

But he's the only kicker to win the MVP

1982, if I'm not mistaken.

Kicker win the MVP of the NFL, Ocho.

Yeah.

Dang.

Yeah, but

like I said, Ocho, this is the type of game that the Cowboys would normally lose.

Have a lead and then give it up late in the ballgame.

And then Dak would either fumble or strip sack or something like that.

Dak did a heck of a job of getting out of harm's way, too, because they had him sacked one time, and he got up out of that.

But you see, Jerry Jerry said after the game that they signed your Davian Clown, after you see Russell Wilson go for 450 yards on you, yeah, you better go get somebody.

You need some pressure, you need some.

Yeah, and Aubrey, like I said, and the thing is, Ocho, he just kicks so effortless, and the ball just jumps off his foot.

I mean, he don't try to kill it.

I mean, it's the same swing, whether he's kicking a PAT or he's kicking the ball 60-plus yards.

It's the same, it's the same, it's the same motion, it's the same rhythm.

And

it was, it was unbelievable.

The Cowboys, who the Cowboys play next, uh, one and one.

Um, the Giants fall to 0-2.

The Giants welcome in Kansas City on Sunday night, don't they?

Oh, that's gonna be a good one.

Wait, what are they playing at?

Kansas City or New York?

Oh, that's gonna be a good one.

That's gonna be a good one.

Kansas City

Cowboys play the Bears in Chicago or Dallas.

There ain't much going on there.

OJo, first drive, Giants left tackle, James Hudson, 15-yard penalty, five-yard false start, 15-yard penalty, five-yard false start.

Hudson was benched the following drive and got into it on the sideline with Brian Dayball we just saw last week, Malik neighbors.

Bro, I just want you to know, what do you want them to do?

On the first possession of the game, you give up 15 yards, 20 yards, 35 yards, 40 yards in penalties.

Yeah.

I've been trying to figure out what does he want this, what does he want the coaches to do?

I don't think he understands

that that affects the game in the long run.

It affects the game in the long run.

Every play counts.

Every play matters.

Even in the beginning of the game you don't know what could have happened on that first drive if he didn't kill it

that's that's all that's all i don't i don't i don't think players

understand

every play counts

every single one now that me there might be one or two that change the game itself

or two

And in that first drive, one of those plays that would have changed that game, it could have been right there where you keep jumping off sides or you're having your hope.

hope, you're costing your team.

You're costing your team.

Why are you getting into it with the cold?

Yeah, we got to bench you.

They did that in Little League.

When you mess up consistently over and over, you got to go sit down.

You costing us at the end of the day, you either coach it or you're condoning it.

Now, which one is it, Ocho?

Are you coaching this type of behavior?

Are you condoning this type of behavior?

With either case, you're wrong.

And I wish this young, I wish this, and like I said, Ocho, sometimes you're so close to a situation you don't see it or you don't understand it but i hope he got an opportunity to sit back and look at his action and sometimes it becomes when you become you can become reflective when you can reflect like damn that wasn't the coach fault that's on

it's on me it's on me guys i'm sorry he should apologize to the team The question that I have is that I've seen back-to-back weeks.

I've seen people blowing up at the coach.

That's not a good sign, Ocho.

No, not at all.

Not at all.

Because

I'm going to tell you what the people upstairs that paid, that pay Dayball,

is he losing his team?

Does he have control of this team?

Can he coach this team?

Those are the questions that they're asking.

Right.

But

I don't look at, like I said, I hadn't had a whole lot of head coaches, Ocho.

But I don't remember.

I don't remember about doing that to Dan Reeves.

I don't remember anybody doing that to Mike Shanahan.

I don't remember that doing that to Wade Phillips.

I'm just like,

Brian I don't know guys I don't know like I said I'm ocho you know what

I guess this is to be expected I'm old school I've been

so far removed for it I removed from it I guess this is the modern day behavior this is how guys instead of accepting accountability that you know what I messed up I got the holding call I got the false start it's somebody else's fault I guess that's where we are right now.

So I guess

this is why I couldn't coach.

I couldn't.

I could.

Yeah.

I listen, it's a different era of football.

It's a different era of player in general.

Uh, the money is different that they are making.

Um,

oh, the funny thing about it, it's okay to make

mistakes are going to happen.

The point of practicing is to practice to get it perfect and do it as many times as you can the right way.

Are mistakes can happen?

Yes, but for them to happen back to back, the back to back, and you cost your team affecting your team, Now, you, you, you got to sit down, you got to sit down.

So, I'm not, I'm even, I'm not even sure how you even argue the fact, but I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

That was a left tackle,

yeah.

That's the money position, so

yeah, I don't, I don't, like I said, I don't, I don't know now is that, guys, like I said, Ocho, you know, and in today's the way it is now, but I think, guys, look

in this situation,

I just don't know, you know, and I understand that Brian Dayball is going to catch Flack because he's the head coach and he kind of bowled up.

But

where are the leaders?

Where are your offensive leaders?

Where are your leaders of the team?

Brian Burns.

They were right there on the sideline.

Marsh Wilson?

Jameis.

Jameis.

You just cost us 100 yards in impenalities.

And so what?

You want us to just leave you in there and just let you

just keep going?

They might have put him back in the game, but I can't answer this kind of behavior, Ocha.

I can't.

I can't.

Because the one thing I refuse to do

is to reinforce negative behavior.

If your child acts up and you give them ice cream or cookie, what will they continue to do?

You're reinforcing negative behavior.

i'll never reinforce negative behavior i refuse to and i don't think he understands how important he is too but you might be the most the most important offensive player for the offense to even go to even be able to execute plays but you got russell wilson blind side what do you what are you doing And if you can't take accountability for going off sides and having holding penalties, man, go sit your ass down somewhere, man.

You costing.

He got an unnecessary roughness penalty.

then he got a false start penalty then he got another unnecessary roughness penalty and then he got a five-yard then he got another false start

now he did that and then he got mad hey

come on come on sit over here with me real quick come on come on think about this real quick get your mind together get your mind together and we'll put you back in but now you want to boyp at the head coach After you messing up, you costing us, man, sit your ass down, man.

But you know what?

You can't sit him down too long because obviously he's your starter left tackle.

He's just started left tackle for a reason.

And your start left tackle is really the money position.

So you're paying him whatever you're paying him.

So you ain't got no choice but to play him.

Sometimes, Ocho,

you have to

discipline a player

because other players are watching.

And if, and, and, and,

And you don't want the other players to think that's acceptable.

Yeah.

I've always tried to like, when I played Ocho, I've always tried to like stay within myself.

Yeah, there were times I was seething.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

But

I know guys are watching me.

And I know one day I'm going to move on and I'm not going to be there.

And they're going to be in my position where they're going to be one of the better players.

And I never wanted players to think that was okay.

There's a time and a place for everything.

Yeah, the quarterback messed up.

Yeah, guys

ran wrong routes.

Just pull them to the side.

And we didn't have nearly the cameras that they got now, Ocho.

You can't do nothing.

You can't say, I mean, either you're talking to somebody, I wonder what they're saying, what they're talking.

Or you might have somebody got the boom, got the, got the, the, the, the, uh, the, the mic, the big round bubble, and picking up all the audio.

Because think about it, you, because you heard what Chris Jones said.

That's on the field, Ocho.

And they picked that up.

So I just, I, I, I, I just, I just, I just hate this for the young man.

Hopefully he gets an opportunity to get home and on the plane ride home.

If it didn't dawn on him, Ocho, when he was on the sideline, hopefully on that long plane ride home to New York, he's sitting there and he's having a conversation with himself like, you know what?

I need to be better.

I need to handle my emotions better so I don't put my team in harm's way.

Because at the end of the day, when you play a team sport, your behavior is reflective on the team.

It ain't just you.

John McEnroe can blow up and get all he wants to, but guess what, OJo?

He's playing singles.

A golfer can get mad and break his club.

That's your club.

Hell, that's one less club in your bag.

Yeah.

And I know one thing

is to blow up like that, understanding.

that

you're not even you're not even a starter

huh he not even a starter

and i'm surprised somebody ain't say and see what you're doing right now the mistakes you're making right now is why you're not the starting left tackle anyway

which is why you're coming off the bench and the only reason you're in the game is because the starter is injured hurt i'm not sure what's wrong with the uh andrew thomas but here's the thing though

now you now you now you see why that's what i if i was their ball i would have told him now you see why your ass ain't started you better be careful because you're not starting that type of behavior to get you cut.

Hey, they show they should show you that though faster, faster than you could.

All right.

Andrew Thomas is out with Liz Frey.

Do they expect him?

They expect him back at some point, right?

Because he had it last year.

He didn't just do it.

Yeah, it's October 12th.

Yeah, so he's trying to come back.

And

that's a tough injury for a tackle because, you know,

everything's on your toes, Ocho.

You got to push off your toes.

You got to kick.

Everything.

So

everything.

I hate that, like I said, I don't know Brian Dayball from, I don't know Brian Dayball from a can of paint.

I just know what higher up thinks when they see this type of behavior and they see it reoccurring.

Well, the hard part is, is the season's already started.

So there's really nobody else to bring in, and you have to rely on him no matter what.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Because

anybody that's available, they're available for a reason.

Yeah.

But, hey, you see my view?

Hey, you see what's over my shoulder?

You know what that is right there?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jerry announced after the game, the Cowboys have signed Edge Rush, Jadavian Clowney.

Oh, Joe, how much will that help the defense?

They did sack Russia three times today.

You got him.

Clark, Kenny Clark got him once.

Houston got him once.

Man, what does the sack come from?

Am I blind or something?

I see.

Kenny Clark got one.

Hudson got Houston got one, but they said he got three sacks.

What other one?

Who got the other sack?

Am I missing something?

Maybe my eyes are the bad.

I just, maybe, maybe.

But the addition to JB on

Jadavian is going to be good.

He's destructive.

He has a motor.

He's going to get after the quarterback.

He's okay against the run.

They're going to be all right.

They're going to be all right.

Any help they can get defensively is going to be good.

It's going to be really good because they're going to need it.

They're going to need it.

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Ravens linebacker Kyle Van Oy

told the Ravens, told reporters that the Baltimore defense had a team dinner meeting in order to get Beyond's last week fourth quarter collapse.

It worked.

The Ravens are now 13-2 following losses since 2022.

It was a 10-3 at the half.

Miles Garrett said after the game, I mean, this ish is embarrassing.

We've got to be better on defense.

We've got to be better as a team.

They slowly chipped away, and we did a solid job holding them to three when we could.

But then eventually the dam broke and we just whatever they wanted.

And we have to continue to play for 60 minutes.

Kevin Stefanski said after the game

that he won't consider a QB change.

Hey, Miles,

enjoy that $160 million.

Because this is what it's going to be like in your future.

Until you get a quarterback,

this is what you're going to be resigned to.

Now,

look.

Maybe, you know,

getting a million, couple of, you know, $2 million a month every game, check ocho before taxes maybe that maybe that lessens it some this is your fate

this is your fate

this is how ocho let's be real this is what this is this is what's going to happen in cleveland

unless something miraculously happens we do know that joe flacco can go on a run offensively it's over ocho

it's over you ocho you watched him today it's over

oh yeah today but um you got to understand who they playing against now you're playing against a divisional opponent that knows you.

Let me ask you a question.

What you like to do.

When he was in Cleveland the first time, why didn't they keep him if he was the guy?

He went to Indy.

Why didn't they keep him if he was the guy?

He went to the gym.

Why didn't they keep him if he was the guy?

You know why.

I'm not an uncle.

I'm not saying he's the guy.

I'm not saying he's the guy, but it's what you had to deal with right now.

And they definitely don't want to, they definitely don't want to make a move that early.

The quarterback number two, because basically what you're telling your team is, we waving the white flag and we're throwing it all in, and we're going to worry about starting our future right now.

I ain't got a flag, I got a sheet, I got anything that's white,

and I'm waving it.

Um, it's week two.

You can't, you can't wait, you can't wave the tile to maybe week five, week six, and stuff still ain't going well.

You said it yourself.

What week you said uh they were gonna switch quarter switch quarterback, oh, but the giants eight.

Oh, you said the giants.

Well, hell, oh, Cleveland, Cleveland's gonna be much older than that.

Week six, week six, week six, if anything.

Week six.

I could just imagine how Cleveland receivers feeling.

It's tough to continuously run routes, try to get open, and you're like,

I give

Cleveland's rush defense 21 rushes, 45 yards.

But Lamar had 19 or 29 for 225 and four tubs passing.

He did.

They did say they were going to stop Derrick Henry.

They did.

Grant Dale Pitt did say it's not hard to tackle Derrick Henry.

They did a good job on Derrick Henry.

Not everybody, everywhere else through the L?

Zay Flowers had seven for 75.

D-Hop was two for 64, a touchdown.

Walker, two for 26, two touchdowns.

Wallace, two for 25, a touchdown.

Oh, man, Roquan Smith had himself a day.

15 total tackles and a fumble return for a touchdown.

They got up to the quarterback.

They got up to Flacco.

Well, look, Flacco is a statue.

He can't move, huh?

He never could.

That ain't never been that minus forte.

Nobody, you.

I was special teams.

I was.

That's how I made the team.

That's where I started.

I cut my teeth on the special teams.

But But 267 didn't go in as a special teams player.

You would have checked my resume.

Stop playing with me.

Talk to him.

Let him know.

267.

There have been 30,000 men that played this game, coached this game, owned team, been a general manager.

30,000.

Come on now.

I don't know what 267, what percent of 30,000 is.

But they're less than 400 men that got a gold jacket.

Yeah.

Of 30,000.

I can tell you what that percentage is.

You know, I was a math major.

2.2%.

2.2%.

Look.

Yeah.

I just,

LOTHO is tough.

And I just, I feel bad for the Browns fans because the one thing I know having played in Cleveland, no matter how bad they sucked, those fans still came and sold out.

Now, a lot of times they might have had bags on their head and they might have booed when things weren't going well, but they out there tailgating, knowing that they team going to get the brakes beat off them.

But they show up.

They look, man.

Every time.

If any, like, you know, like certain fan bases on Joe, just one time.

Yeah.

If Cleveland get an opportunity to say, man, we went to the Super Bowl.

I know everybody wants to win, but for those, some of those fans to get an opportunity to see, man, like I said, Browns got some loyal ass fans.

And I played them when I was in Denver, and I went when they was at, oh, when they was at Old Cleveland, and I played them at Baltimore, obviously.

They love the Browns, man.

They love the Browns.

But

ain't got no quarterback.

Ain't got no quarterback.

I don't care how good your defense is.

Not in today's game.

Yeah, I know.

Everybody say, what y'all did?

Yeah, with the Ravens in 2000.

It's 2025.

That's damn near a quarter century ago.

Nobody's playing football like they played a quarter century ago.

Oh, absolutely not.

The rules don't permit it.

And guess what?

You're paying a quarterback quarterback all that money.

You're not going to pay him to turn around and hand the ball off.

It's look,

they're going to have to find a quarterback.

They thought they had a quarterback with

Deshaun.

For whatever reason, it didn't work out.

He's been injured.

He shoulder injury.

He got a McKeeley's injury.

And it seems like he's working his way back.

I don't know if he's going to come back this year.

We'll see.

But Ocho, without a quarterback, Ocho, they're not going to do nothing.

And you don't have a chance.

I don't care.

And this ain't this.

You need 10 miles, Gary.

Yeah.

It ain't even about the Browns.

That goes for anything.

Until you figure out your quarterback position, you're not going to have any type of success.

Now, you can have flashes of brilliance.

You could have success maybe for a game, maybe two.

Why keep turning it over?

But it's all about being consistent.

week in and week out and having a chance at winning each week.

Right now, they just don't have that.

They don't have it.

But

they're going to have games where they go out there and win.

They're going to have games where they go out there and flack are going to throw for 300, 3 TD.

We're going to have games like that at some point this season.

I guarantee you that.

That's just the way the Florida game works just in general.

They must be going to have one of them games on playing on a Tuesday or Friday.

And

we don't have night capital on those days.

Kevin Stefanski said after the game that he won't consider quarterback change for week three.

Before the game, Adam Schefter dropped a bomb.

The Ravens were planning to draft Shadur Sanders in the fifth round with the 141st pick.

But before the Ravens could turn the card in, Shadur let it be known to Baltimore that

he didn't want to be on the roster with Lamar, where he wouldn't have a chance to play anytime soon.

Shadur did not want to be drafted by Baltimore and preferred to end up in a place where he might might have a better chance to play sooner.

The Ravens instead drafted an offensive lineman, Carson Vinson, with the 141st pick.

I'm gonna go ahead.

Shadur was asked about it after the game.

My response is I'm focused on the now.

I don't really talk about anything in the past and whatever happened in the past, it is what it is.

I'm more focused on the now.

I'm more focused on how the game that we just gonna had and figuring out how to move forward from now.

You wouldn't even believe my memory don't even go back that far.

So yeah, I don't even remember anything post-draft.

I remember I'm here.

I go to practice every day and it's a 24-hour rule.

It serves no purpose in my life.

Yeah.

Hey, we don't even have that kind of power coming into a draft, though.

As a player, you saying where you don't want to go, you don't have that kind of power.

Well, you don't.

Let me tell you something about the Ravens.

I don't know Shadura's situation.

The Ravens, I can only speak to what I know.

I know Ozzie, I know DaCosta, and I know the owner, Steve Bashoti.

Yes, sir.

When T.O.

was supposed to go to the Ravens and he said he didn't want to go,

he said he named

him.

We advised him.

Yeah.

They said, you know what?

Don't worry about it.

Boom, boom, boom.

The NFL and them, they worked out some type of agreement.

T.O.

ended up in Philly.

If he said this,

they would have obliged him.

Yeah, but I doubt it, though.

I doubt it.

You know what?

I would like to say more, but unfortunately, I think we should move on from this.

Yeah,

it serves no purpose.

I'll leave it at that.

It served no purpose.

I'll leave it at that.

Chat, y'all deduce whatever y'all want to deduce from it bingles beat the jaguars 3127 joe burrow joe who wait who who who the bingles beat the jags 3127 joe burrow is dealing with a left toe injury that could require surgery images of burrow left toe injury is being sent to notice foot specialist dr robert anderson

uh to be reviewed according to adam shepherd if surgery is deemed necessary it is expected to sideline burrow for approximately three months

if the key word was if if they sent the photo to the doctor, the doctor ain't no way in Haley made no goddamn diagnosis.

This, this, this, that quint, he ain't made no diagnosis that quit.

Oh, Joe, you make it seem like I'm the doctor.

Like I'm the X-ray.

Hold on, but I'm just saying, I don't like the way Adam's chef and I don't like the way they report stuff.

And

they talk about it could be grade three and he might need surgery.

He might be out.

He might be out three months.

Listen, it could be grade two.

Grade two ain't number three, four weeks, and you back out there.

It could be great.

Hold on, let me finish.

It could be grade one.

And it's day to day

with today's technology, as advanced as technology is, and the treatments and the ways to get players back healthy and getting them back on the field much faster than when we were playing.

We don't know.

And I don't like the fact that when they make these reports, they say the worst case scenario.

It ain't got to be what's what?

Why?

This is where you got this from.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho.

who reported this adam shafter

tell the chat where he get this from that it was even his toe where did he get this from ocho

hold on wait wait wait wait let me let me before you before you go on can i say something real quick when i saw joe sit up on the sideline right i mean on the field when he turned over and the doctors came out and he got up I knew his toe was hurt.

Can I tell you why?

When he got up to walk off, instead of walking normal, he was walking his left foot on his heel so he didn't put no pressure on his toe i said you know what man he'd done me to mess how we know it wasn't at all

no no no because if it was arched you wouldn't put no pressure on the back of your heel you know i'm trying to say when you walk like that you don't let your foot hit the bottom you don't let your toe bottom i said god damn he done dislocated or jammed his toe when he got tackled he was he was facing front down right whoever let whatever lineman landed on him in the back jammed the goddamn toe in the goddamn ground

so I just don't like, if you're going to report something,

at least.

So let me ask you this.

How did Adam Schefter know they were sending it to noted foot special Robert Anderson?

Well, I mean, obviously they let him know that.

So what else did they let him know?

So they let him know that.

No, no, no, no, no.

Listen,

they did not know.

They did not.

There's no way that doctor or that foot specialist gave a diagnosis in goddamn five, six hours after the game.

Come on,

no.

But their doctors did.

And that's why they sent it to noted robert anderson for a second opinion a second opinion but i i i wait let me let me finish man let me let me text joe let me text burrow man let me text burrow and listen i i can get it right from the horse's mouth hold on let me

i think the thing is ocho is that look my brother had that injury and he had and look i'm gonna tell you some guys that's had that injury ask time

Time had that injury and time said he was never the same.

Jonathan Ogden had that injury.

He retired.

Jack Youngblood had that injury.

He retired.

My brother had that injury.

He shot that toe up every week.

He ended up having to put a steel plate in there so the foot wouldn't bend, the toe wouldn't bend because you been as much, right?

And he ended up having surgery after the season.

And it was about three, it was about three or four months.

Okay, hold on, hold on.

I'm texting Burrow right now.

And he's going to answer me.

He's going to answer me.

But I see, listen, that's worst case scenario.

You hear me?

What you're saying, what you talk about, this is worst case scenario and we talk about a quarterback we we talk about a quarterback that is he's he's somewhat of a dual threat he has great great pocket presence he has great escapability he's not lamar jackson he's not josh allen but he can move around the pocket now i i also want to note and i want to add that joe holds on to the ball too long you got to know when the journey's over You have to know when the journey is over, especially in that case, in that play right there, nobody's open.

You know, it's okay to go down.

It's okay to take that sec and live to see another down it's hard because he wants to make he wants to make a play ocho it's hard i i i i i know he wants to make a play but again now we back on the table getting

ojo he's gonna be oh he's gonna be injured you you you resigned to that fact ojo he's gonna be injured oh joe every other year he's gonna be injured

it's football it's football the game of football is a violent sport injuries happen it's a part it's a part of the game what you want to do is you want to minimize those injuries the best way you can.

The best way you can.

And I would love for Joe to say, you know what?

Ain't nothing out there right now.

I'm going to go down.

I'm going to take this sack.

Live to play another game.

Let's get back to it.

Ocho,

I agree with you.

I totally agree.

But here's the thing with a quarterback.

What does a quarterback do?

He dropped back.

What else he has to do?

Shift his motion.

And so when you start messing with that foot, now you start messing with your mechanics.

Yeah.

And the one thing you don't want to do is mess with those mechanics.

Because the one thing what quarterbacks try to prevent and stay out of is developing bad habits.

And when you start having injury, guess what you do, Ocho?

You develop bad habits.

Bad habit to compensate for that area where it was hurt.

I knew it's tough.

Exactly.

I know it's tough.

I'm not saying

look.

I think you look at it like, okay, how serious is the turf toe?

They seem to think it's very serious.

Now, you they probably x-rayed it, okay.

Oh, now they'll probably go get an MRI, they'll send those images.

They probably got most teams, most teams now, stadiums, are equipped with imaging.

Oh, yeah, we've got that, we got it right there, right there.

Guess what, right there.

They said he got Dr.

Dr.

Anderson.

I think, if I'm not mistaken, he's in Charlotte.

If I'm not mistaken, he's in Charlotte,

right?

He's in Charlotte, or is he?

He might be the team doctor for for the Giants.

I think he's in Charlotte.

But anyway, listen,

worst case scenario, I'm optimistic.

I'm optimistic.

And

let's say, Joe, if anything, worst case scenario, not worst case, best case scenario, Joe misses three, four weeks.

I say he come back, Steelers, October 15th.

Well, you said if he misses three or four weeks, he's not having the surgery.

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

That grade, listen.

Worst case scenario is grade three.

I need surgery.

I'm out three months.

But I don't have no problem with Browning coming in as my starter.

I have no problem with that.

Browning, what can you do for us the next five weeks?

Can you get us a three and two?

Can you get us the four and one?

Make sure we're still in the hunt.

Make sure we're still winning.

Charlotte.

Listen, you got all the talent around you.

You got all the pieces you need.

That's why I'm just talking about the turquoise.

My brother had that turquoise injury.

you uh that game that his first playoff game he ended up catching three touchdowns against detroit he had that turf toe that's why he was running like he was running like he had a club foot

but all he did was shoot the toe up every week and he went and played now you know i don't know if they do that anymore ocho back then that's what we did that's what i did

if i had shoulder injury i'm shooting it up ankle injury i'm shooting it up i'm playing

We're going to be all right, man.

I don't think guys do that.

Because I had a conversation with Emmett.

Emmett looked at me and said, boy, you crazy.

He said, nah, he's like, nah, sharp.

I don't do them needles.

I said, bro, you're a several round draft pick.

If I'd have got first-round Monday, I might have thought long and hard about doing the needle.

But several round draft pick, hey, hey, were your first couple of years, you only made $130,000?

Yeah, you, hey.

Hold on.

Let me see if Joe takes.

But y'all,

I'm just trying to point out some guys that have had that turft toe injury.

Jonathan Ogden, he was never the same.

Jack Youngblood, just give me, let me tell you, Jack Lambert had that same injury.

He ended up retiring.

Time, time will tell you.

He was never the same.

Charles Wilson.

Charles Wilson had it too.

Wood had it.

He was never the same after that injury.

My brother had, like I said, he shot it up and he played.

But it's going to be very, very interesting to see how that thing, how it, what plays out.

We'll see.

Man, I'm tripping, man.

You got me texting this man.

It's 1230 at night in Cincinnati.

I forgot I'm way in Vegas, man.

I'm tripping.

Joe sleep.

Oh, Cho.

We're going to be all right.

We got Browning that quarterback, baby.

Can Jake Browning keep the

Jake Browning keep the Bengals afloat?

I'm going to tell you.

I'm going to tell you how you're going to keep them afloat right here.

Watch this.

I'm going to tell you how.

I'm going to tell you.

You can hear me.

You can see me.

I can see you.

Y'all can see me.

Brownie going to come to the line like this, right?

Come to the line, boom.

Safety gonna drop down in the box because Chase Brown balling right now.

Chase Brown balling, right?

Check gonna come out alert, alert, alert, check, check.

They got they got goddamn chasing T Eggins, man-to-man, bump and run.

Hey, Brownie gonna hit his hip like this.

That means go

touchdown.

We good.

We good.

We good.

Hey, listen,

when you have them kind of weapons around you, at times, it doesn't matter who's at the quarterback position.

But Browning is capable of running the offense.

We saw what he did when he came in last time Burrow was hurt.

But he was out there dishing and dealing.

He was out there dishing and dealing.

I'm talking

like a Vegas car dealer.

That's what he's going to do.

I'm telling you, we good.

We good.

Social media was not kind to Brian Thomas Jr.

today.

They said he looked disinterested.

One week after catching one pass on seven targets, Thomas had four catches on a team high, 12 targets, had a big drop on fourth down late in the fourth quarter.

Ocho, I didn't get an opportunity to see this game.

I was kind of going back.

I saw it in the box.

And so, you know, I'm kind of like all over the place.

I'm trying to really focus on Dallas and I'm trying to focus on, you know, you know what I'm saying, Ocho.

Now, Dallas, who was playing in that early, that early window,

Dallas was okay.

So, what you think, Ocho, Talk to me.

Listen,

it's one of those games.

It's one of those games.

I need to touch the ball.

Get me involved in the game.

Brian Tomer Jr., extreme success last year as a rookie.

One of those games, he wasn't getting the targets necessary.

He felt like he wasn't being part of the game.

That frustration, that anger.

It allowed it gets in the way of when the ball does come your way.

You get upset, Unk.

It's happened to me before too, Unc.

you be wanting the ball, you get angry on the sideline.

Same thing with Kelsey today.

You saw Kelsey say, I'm tired of this shit.

And then when the balls came your way, you ain't ready.

You dropped them.

Your mind ain't clear.

That's what happened.

That's what happened to BT today.

That's what happened to BT today.

Young bull, I know you're going to see this.

Lock back in.

And when the opportunities come, you make the most of them.

You're going to have games like this.

You're going to have games like this.

Where the team is saying,

number seven, ain't beating us.

You not beating us.

We not letting you get the ball.

So when the opportunity do come, you got to make the most of them, young bull.

You're going to have games like this.

I know it's frustrating.

I know you want to be a part of the offense.

You're going to have games like this.

Get back to the drawing board, lock in.

Next week, boy, Trevor going to get you the ball.

Don't worry about it.

It's going to happen.

It's going to happen.

I hate games like that, though, huh?

I hate it.

Oh, Joe, it always, and it happens that very way.

You complain for the ball and when they get you the ball you the ball beat you up

beat you right up

hey like you ain't never caught like you ain't never caught the ball a day in your life boy so hard man hey we we've been there we've been there that's why i always i just kept my mouth shut

because just just by look

did you see our defense today oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i saw that uh trey henderson like lad like what the first half second down oh yeah hey

he put the nail in the coffin but the defense in general played well today they weren't phenomenal they weren't great they were exactly what i said we need to be throughout the season just good enough well it had to be ocho because you guys would you know uh brownie threw three picks so they had the defense had to bow their back because he was turning the ball over left or he was turning the ball over

yeah we're gonna we're gonna fix that we're gonna fix that you know why we're gonna fix it listen he only gets so many reps in practice he only gets so many reps in practice the reps you do get is the is to prepare you for game situations like this in case Bro gets hurt.

Boom.

You're throwing picks.

Okay, you know what?

I got to get acclimated to gain speed.

I got to get acclimated to tempo of the game, being back in the offense, getting in the swing of things.

It's different.

One thing is one thing to do it in practice.

It's a different thing to do it in the game.

I got my feet wet.

Okay, boom.

Now, next week, I'm going to dive in.

I'm ready to get wet.

I'm ready to get wet.

Let's go.

We got this.

I guarantee you, Joe is going to be back in four weeks.

If anything, maybe five.

When we play the Jets or the Steelers, he'll be back then.

Brian ain't going to get us about four and one.

Four and one or three and two.

So at worst,

there's no cause for concern for Brian Thomas Jr., not a sophomore slump.

Oh, no.

No, he, oh, no.

He good.

He good.

He good.

That's that boy.

Now, yeah, listen.

Understand his DNA.

Understand his makeup.

His skill set.

The Jaguars Jaguars understand what they have in seven.

He good.

He good.

Hey, he's an LSU tiger.

You know, he's good.

Hell, Malik Naval was mad last week the same way.

The same way.

Yeah.

Same way he was pissed.

Look what he did today.

One bad game.

Hey,

you good.

There was a lot made of Trevor Lawrence's exchange with Liam Cohen.

It was like, it seemed like Cohen would say, hit him in the chest.

And Lawrence.

That would have looked like.

I don't know.

Like I said,

I really try not to read lip so choke because I don't want to be, I don't want to be wrong.

But

I did, I did see Trevor Lawrence do this, and I know what that means.

Right, right.

Come on, man.

Go ahead with that.

Either shut up or leave me alone, or I ain't paying you no attention.

Either one,

stop it.

Yeah.

Dang.

Hey, who the Bengals play next week, huh?

I don't know.

Ask who they play next week.

Play the Vikes

in Minnesota.

Oh, man.

We finna watch them.

Boy, we finna watch them.

We finna watch the Vikings, boy.

Especially after this day.

With the way our defense is playing, Justin Jefferson.

I know you're going to see this.

Boy, you ain't catching Nathaniel.

Every playing in Minnesota.

every playing in minnesota hey chase had himself a day 14 for a buck 65 and a tub on 16 targets

come on now

come on now you gotta feed the beast we talk about the greatest bangling franchise history chase be getting at them

yeah it don't matter who the quarterback is that's why i say we gonna be all right T.

Higgins was cutting up too.

Yeah, for a little while, I've been there.

Hey, I don't know what they were.

Hey, look, I don't know what they was doing.

So

y'all just gonna let Chase just catch all the balls.

T was like, if y'all double it, they'll throw me the ball.

Hold on.

How you going to stop it?

Because they put Chase all over the place.

Oh, you want to double Chase wherever you go?

Well, T gonna.

Okay, I take my chance with T.

Which one won the triple crown?

Which one is thought of as the best receiving in football?

Uno, but let me.

So I'm going to take him away.

Hey, hey, hey, a nickel ain't too far behind.

T ain't too far behind.

T could do some nice stuff too, man.

Well, we ain't gonna do that.

We ain't gonna downplay one.

Stop it.

Hey, T.

Higgins is phenomenal.

He ain't one.

Yeah.

One has got a chance to be an all-time great.

How do you need T.

I understand what you say.

Hey, I understand what you're saying.

We're not going to do it.

Take him away and make T.

Higgins.

I'm going to make T.

I'm not saying T can't, but I want to see it for a game or two.

I know what Chase can do.

Oh, yeah.

I know what T can do.

I'm telling you what he could do.

I done seen it with my own eyes.

He going to top you every time.

What you tell me?

So in other words, he's the quival.

So in other words, what you're telling me is that T.

I didn't say equivalent.

Don't do the equivalent.

So what are you saying?

I didn't say equivalent.

I didn't say equivalent.

Yes, you did.

No, I did not.

I said, I know what Chase can do.

So you say T.

Higgins can do what Chase can do.

That's what you're saying.

No, they two completely different skill sets.

No, come on now.

Even with his skill set, is it the equivalent in his own skill set?

Is he the equivalent of T.

Higgins?

I mean, of Chase.

No,

that's my point.

I'm going to take a guy that won the triple crown away and forced the,

no matter what you say, Higgins is the B side.

Just like Canelo last night was the A side and Bud was the B side.

Higgins is the B side to Chase.

No.

Receive a 1A and receive a 1B.

Period.

And you know what?

We're going to show you.

I like what you're saying because you know, I'm a little nervous too, huh?

You know what?

Let me, let me, I'm a little nervous.

I'm going to tell you why I'm nervous.

I'm going to tell you why I'm nervous.

Why are you nervous about what?

Hold on, what are you nervous about?

Because we playing the Vikings.

You just said y'all going to watch the Vikings.

Wait, no, I didn't think about it.

We're playing against Brian Flores' defense, huh?

And you know what Brian Flores do.

Hey, Brian Flores

has all these

exotic defenses, stunts, blitzes, people coming from everywhere,

and it can be somewhat overwhelming and confusing for a quarterback that's not used to seeing it.

Brother Browning has to deal with that.

If I'm Zach Taylor, I want to put Brother Browning, and I got to stand up because I'm excited.

If I'm

Zach Taylor, I need to put Brother Browning

in a great situation and get him in rhythm.

You got to run the ball.

Run the ball.

Get Chase Brown going.

Get Chase Brown going.

And once we get Chase going, Chase Brown going, then we can go to the passing game.

Little small stuff.

Unders, slants, quick throws.

Get Browning in rhythm.

Boom.

We get the run game going, then we hit him with the play action like this.

Boom.

Chase, T.

What we talk about, Mitchell.

Boy, and you seen Mitchell Tinsley, you saw Mitchell Tinsley one-hand catching the end on today.

I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight.

Stop playing with the rookie, man.

Man, we're gonna, we're gonna be all right.

I'm telling you,

I'm telling you, man, we might score, we might put 35 on the Vikings, man.

Okay, stop playing, boy.

All right,

hey,

all right, I'll go.

So, it doesn't work.

T.

Higgins is the A-side along with Chase.

Yeah, he's been that.

I told you that.

I told you that a long time ago.

There are very few teams in the NFL that have two number one receivers.

The Bengals are one of them.

The Eagles might be another team.

I think T.

Higgins is phenomenal, but he's not the A-side.

Give me another team that have two number ones.

Give me another team that got two number one receivers.

Come on, that don't do that.

I guess you could say you can say Miami with Waddle and Tyreek.

Okay.

You can can say you can say the Rams with Puka, Nakua, and Devontae.

And you cooking tonight, baby.

You cooking tonight, you cooking.

You cooking.

Cowboys, you want to say pickings and

speedies?

I like it.

Yeah.

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Join me, Tatiana Siegel, executive editor of film and media at Variety, for a four-part tale of youthful ambition, artistic integrity, and the dark side of fame.

Just like my parents talk about they knew where they were when John F.

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Drew and Sue and Eminem's Minis.

And baking the surprise birthday cake for Lou.

And Sue forgetting that her oven doesn't really work.

And Drew remembering that they don't have flour.

And Lou getting home early from work, which he never does.

And Drew and Sue using the rest of the tubes of Eminem's minis as party poppers instead.

I think this is one of those moments where people say, it's the thought that counts.

Eminem's, it's more fun together.