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But first, boy, we had a barn burn of a game tonight.

The Jaguars, the Jaguars, the Jags showed their merit, their grit.

Being down 14 points, scored 21 unanswered.

The Chiefs come back tied up.

But guess what?

And they take the lead

28-24, but the Jags would not be denied.

They go down the field.

Big-time catchers get a pass interference in the end zone.

They score and they take

a close ball game.

A very entertaining, a very great ball game, 31-28.

Ocho, let's go with the Jags first.

Trevor Lawrence, 18 to 25, 221, one touchdown.

But it was his legs tonight.

It seems like to me, Liam Cohen said, look,

when they come with pressure and they will bring pressure a lot on third down,

don't even worry about trying to complete a pass down the field.

Right.

Get up out of there.

And that's what he did tonight.

I thought they played well.

And when the defense needed to make a play, they made a play.

Take off.

Yeah.

Hey, the Jags look really good.

Obviously, you know, Spags loves to bring pressure to cause confusion to get the quarterback to rush his process, obviously resulting in sacks.

But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not today, not on my watch.

He killed him with his legs, obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but tonight he used his legs to win.

Travis Hunter, they need to get him involved in offense much more.

You saw him make a huge play that changed the trajectory of that offensive series, which led to them scoring.

Brian Thomas Jr.

played well.

Travis Atien.

I know what he did running the ball, but picking up some of the blitzes that he did to be able to live

with

some of the throws that he made.

Hey, plays like that will keep a running back on the field all three downs.

He played phenomenal football as well.

Defensively, the jag played well as well.

So, I mean, it was a really good game.

I thought the turnovers would have hurt him because I tweeted it during the game.

Every time they turned the ball over, the goddamn Chiefs capitalize on it, especially on the goal line where uh Trevor Lawrence tried to reach over.

Reach over, and um, Nick Bolton punched it out.

He punched it out right away.

Listen,

defensively, that goddamn interception, that 99 interception by Lloyd.

Flip the game.

That was nice.

Yeah.

Well, you have to understand, Ocho, he's following

Mahomes' eyes.

Mahomes

stared down.

You know, they tried to run a little arrow rap, push up, but they ran double arrow because here comes Juju first, and then I think Travis was coming in behind him.

So they tried to run double arrow.

But the problem is, is that when you look, the linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that way.

And because, I mean, he hit it right in his breadbasket.

He breaks a tackle, he sidesteps Mahomes, and now he's off to the races.

The guy did a great job of just getting enough of Thornton to throw him off his rhythm because Thornton was coming.

He would have caught him.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

He would have caught him.

But I think you have to give the Jags a lot of credit.

Ben down at home, 14 points to that team.

And they were playing extremely well.

But when they needed to make plays, they made plays at the end.

Trevor Lawrence played well.

You mentioned

ATN.

atn it was his blitz pickup yeah he had 12 carries 49 yards he's averaging what was that uh

yeah four basically four yards of carry but yeah those bolton when uh uh and some of those other guys was coming on a blitz

chanel uh tranquil he stoned them i mean he stoned them really good the offensive line did a did a very good job of protecting uh look they had a half a sack well they had what two sacks three sacks looked like he got sacked three times uh he got three sack got sacked three times but i thought they did a great job considering the amount of pressure that spags likes to bring and you know when he feels threatened he's gonna bring pressure they knew that too um but you look at those throws at the end man he dropped that one in the bucket to brian thomas jr right on the sideline and then they found the uh he found uh what's his name ojo

uh what was it washington that uh

Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up

catching the outball.

But Trevor Lawrence played as well.

This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay, when you took him number one overall, this is what they expect him to look like.

And he has moments like this,

but then he'll come back and he'll stink up the joint.

You're like, but, bro, I've seen what you can do.

I know what you can do because I've seen it firsthand.

What happened?

Yeah, the problem is, what we saw tonight from Trevor Lawrence, what we saw tonight collectively for the Jaguars, this is not the Jaguars of old.

This is a new team.

What we saw tonight is a different type of Jaguars offense.

I don't think they've beaten the Chiefs.

I'm not sure.

It's been a very, very long time since 09.

You know, so normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team, they would have folded.

They would have folded like lawn chairs, but they continued to fight despite being down and they fought their way back.

I'm really impressed, really impressed.

If we can get this type of quarterback play from Trevor Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night.

Consistently, but they're going to be fine.

They're going to be in the hunt.

They're going to be in contention every single year if he can continue to play like this, But minimize the goddamn turn.

He had two, two tonight, and they, and they, you know, and they were able to survive him.

I mean, right there at the goal line, he fumbled that one and he threw a pick when they had a

lead.

So he has to, he has to be very, very careful with that.

The Jags past four games have been decided by a total of 18 points.

They're three and one in those games, winning three straight.

The Jags are now four and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks and the Rams.

uh both of those look both of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football Both of those teams have receivers that can go get the ball.

You look at the Rams.

You talk about Puka Nicole.

You talk about Devontae Adams.

They can go get it.

We know Seattle.

You see Sam Donald

with JSN.

Man, they got guys that can go get the football.

So would I be surprised if we see another

both of those games end up something like this, Ocho?

No, no, I would not.

No, I absolutely would not.

But the Jags were very, very impressive tonight.

And do ball.

Y'all should stand up because y'all got to make it of a a very good team.

Liam Cohen has done an unbelievable job guiding Trevor Lawrence.

Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability.

From the moment he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say this guy in three years,

from that point, when he comes out, he's going to be the number one pick in the draft.

He led Clemson to a national championship as a true freshman.

Not very many true freshmen can do that.

I think the last time it happened, probably was Jamail Holloway, and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma back 85, probably.

So for him to do that, and then who do they beat?

They beat Alabama, and we know what Alabama represented.

And so, and for him to do that, he would have been, he was very, very impressive.

But for whatever the reason, the last couple of years, I don't know if it was injury.

Now, I think the first year, you know,

Urban Meyer was his coach.

I don't think that was the best situation.

He wasn't set up for success in that situation.

But now, Liam Cohen, and we saw what Cohen has done with Baker.

Two years, I mean, two years with Baker, and you see what Baker has become.

Now, Baker is still on that.

He's still rising, even though Liam left.

But we saw what he become under Liam Cohen.

So this offense is very quarterback-friendly.

They got receivers.

They got guys that can go get the ball.

I agree with you right now until Travis refined the skill.

Look, OJ, they don't run him really on nothing but spots.

They're running on spots.

He's shallow cross.

Hey, five yards, turn around.

We throw you the ball.

Make a guy miss takeoff.

Run you to shallow cross.

And when they throw the ball down the field, they're allowing him to use his athletic ability.

Remember to play what was it last week, a couple of weeks ago against San Francisco?

They threw the dagger.

He elevates, catches it.

We saw him tonight in between two.

That's what.

So until he refines his route running ability, this is what you're going to have to do.

Try to find ways to create, get him in space, and let him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the route tree.

Because these guys that play DB, they're really good.

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They're very good.

Very good.

But I think Travis Hunter is one of of those.

He has such raw talent.

He's so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on the offensive side of the ball.

If you can just get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just get in the area so he can make a play on it, he's coming down with that ball nine times out of ten.

And on the Chiefs, I thought Patrick Mahomes, look, he played well tonight, 29 of 41, 318, one touchdown, the very costly interception that led to a 90.

The one thing that you don't want to have happen, you don't want to give up points on your possession.

So in other words, you don't want to have a scooping score.

You don't want to have a pick six because now you, you know what I'm saying?

That's not what you're built to do.

Your defense is not on the field.

We understand

defensively, they're going to score.

Look, these teams are really good.

So for you to shut a team out, it's probably not going to happen.

But the last thing we want to do is give up points while our offense is on the field because our defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to stop them.

Patrick Mahomes led him with Russian.

He was six of 60.

Kareem Hunt had seven for 49.

Isaiah Pacheco, he had seven for 36.

22 for 158, three touchdowns.

And you see the way they came out.

They threw to set up the run.

If you look at the first, the first series, the first couple of series, what are they doing?

Getting the ball out of his hands quick.

Guys were making plays.

Quick game.

Quick game.

But remember, I said this.

Yeah.

When you don't have a rapport with your quarterback.

Right.

If Hollywood Brown had a rapport with his quarterback, they win this game.

Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes hit him on the shoulder with the ball.

He still don't know what that is.

The safety is flat-footed.

He catched this ball, Ocho.

He's coming at the backside.

Hold on, let me talk about it.

At the end of the game,

but you see,

there are some guys you were

imaginative.

You had up and like, damn, ain't nobody here.

Let me look for this ball.

He's running the route that they call oblivious.

Yeah, that is

right.

To the situation.

You got to understand the situation.

Travis Kelsey.

You remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo?

He got wide.

Patrick Mahomes put the ball lowly.

They got in field goal range.

Range.

Hollywood.

All you got to do, you see everybody's off.

Ocho, the backside safety is flat-footed.

He catched this ball.

That's Hollywood Brown.

He's coming out the backside.

That's a touchdown.

He's coming out.

Yeah, he could go now.

Let's go.

He can go.

If anything, because the entire defense was back, he can come out the backside.

If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're still in field goal range.

You get down, call the timeout.

If you go back and look at this, if you tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is score, oh cho, because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat-footed.

That means Hollywood Brown is going to catch this ball with a running start.

Yeah.

He gone.

Ain't no way no safety that's flat-footed is going to turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point.

But you're right we talked about this the other remember that i think it was the first game he tried to do that with a receiver but he doesn't have the rapport now that's tyreek hill oh cho we having a whole different conversation because they have a rapport they have an understanding with each other understanding that's what but the mahomes is going to have to get with his guys and say look guys i understand what's called but if that guy's off you look for the ball

And obviously, it's all situational.

Yes.

You understand.

Obviously, whatever route is called, normally,

if we're in a regular game, then yes, the route that's called,

you run to your death, but it's just understanding the situation.

If they're backed up, turn your head around right away.

Get what you can with the ball.

Get what you can.

Understanding there's only a little bit of time on the clock.

You don't even have time to get into your food.

I don't know.

See, the thing is, is that I'm not so sure I don't even call fair catch on that, Ocho.

On the kickoff, because guess what happens?

You're not going to run it back.

And there's a greater chance of you getting a holding call or a block in the back call than you running running it back so now instead of starting at the 25 guess where you're going to start at inside your 20.

right and guess what guess what else you did you ran time off the clock because see the ball don't don't start the clock don't start until you touch the ball now you run you take six seconds off the clock now well six seven seconds off the clock now you get a block in the back

You took eight seconds off the clock and you're 10, 15 yards back further than what you would have been.

But

those are things that you learn.

See, those are things that we talk.

I don't know.

I look, I can't speak to everybody else, but this is what we talked about in situations like this.

Look, if the ball's kicked in the end zone,

leave it in the end zone.

We don't run and run it in time.

Punt return.

Fair catch.

We don't want any time to run off the clock.

We don't want to get an illegal block.

Look, we got, they had three timeouts, Ocho.

Three timeouts in 30 seconds.

That's an eternity.

Because

the entire field is in play.

I can throw the ball over the middle.

It's in play.

Call a timeout.

Now I just took seven seconds off the clock.

I got 23.

Guess what?

Miller field is still in play.

I take another seven seconds off the clock.

Guess what?

I still got a timeout.

The field, the entirety of the field is still in play.

That's things that you got to talk about.

Andy's got to do a better job.

Special teams coaches got to do a better job of helping guys understand.

Remind them.

Remind them.

Hey,

don't fair catch this.

X, Y, and Z.

Hey, listen.

Go ahead.

Yeah,

it's all about the coaches letting the players know certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams, if these certain situations come up, even if they might not come up, just so they're aware.

And obviously coaches have to know in game what's possible.

There's a chance that this might happen.

There's a chance that this might happen.

So be aware and understanding.

This is what you want to do in this situation.

Same with Holly Bear Brown on that plate towards the end of the game.

Understanding, hell, they damn near winning previous.

Get your head around fast.

If you can go out the back door, go out the back door.

If you can't get as much as you can, get down, call timeout real fast.

So we have our opportunity and a chance to run something else.

But you got to give the Jags credit.

They didn't hang their heads.

They fell behind 14-0.

They get a touchdown late.

They get a touchdown late in

the second quarter, make it a 14-7 ball game.

And then they score 14 more points.

So they scored 21 unanswered points.

and then we saw what happened at the end of the game but give those guys credit because i thought jacksonville played really well they showed me something they showed me something getting down to this team um with this defense and that guy playing quarterback they showed me something i thought the receivers played well today thornton stepped up thornton has been playing extremely well xavier worthy again

again

Thornton again with another big play.

I wish he could have kept his balance too on that deep ball and score and scored that.

But yeah, they played really well.

Both sides of the ball.

This is,

I don't know who the hell is scheduling these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night or a Monday night or a Thursday night game, they have been phenomenal.

Phenomenal game.

If you blink, you might miss something.

That's how good the games have been so far through weekends.

You're right.

But the thing I don't understand is next week, we got a double-header.

We don't need two games on Monday night.

Right.

And I mean, how much money do y'all want?

But they're on the same network.

Yeah.

Hold on, hold on.

Who we got?

Who we got?

We got the Bears and the Commanders and Buffalo playing somebody.

The Falcons.

Oh, Joe.

We don't need two games on a Monday night.

And I can tell you what game everybody is going to be tuned into, unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're a Falcons fan.

Everybody can be watching the Bears.

Of course.

Everybody's going to be watching the Bears and Commanders.

So I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that.

Obviously, you understand what the bottom line is at the end of the day on why there's a double header on a Monday.

But listen, they're trying to double dip, huh?

They're trying to double dip.

If you understand the business, they're just trying to double dip.

That'd be like bringing, putting friends and everybody love Raymond on the same

sister networks.

Why the hell you do that?

Come on, bro.

You're right.

Come on, NFL.

It's unnecessary.

I get Sunday.

I get Sunday, all these games.

But

on a singular night, Ocho, one game, we need what?

But you guess what?

Pretty soon, they're going to have two games on Thursday.

Watch.

Yeah.

Watch.

Yeah.

Because you have to understand too.

You got to look at it from a business of a business standpoint.

You got to look at it from their standpoint.

You know what their bottom line is.

We're trying to maximize as much as we can in the 17-game season, plus the playoffs, plus Super Bowl.

So how can we double the profit by having two games?

No, what they're going to do is they're going to add another playoff game.

In the next three to five years, they'll have another playoff game.

So instead of seven, there'll be eight.

And you know that 18th game coming.

And what they're trying to do also is trying to have everybody play one game overseas.

Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to give up a home game.

Now, everybody else is going to be more than willing to give up a home game.

Convince Jerry to give up one of his home games.

It ain't happening.

It ain't happening because if you give up a home game, that's taking away money.

I mean,

I get Jacksonville.

I get Cleveland.

I get some of these teams.

Right.

Let everybody, let everybody, you know, we try to we try to grow.

I don't know if football, American football will ever be what soccer is or ever be what basketball is no because nobody grows up wanting to be like randy moss or wanting to be like jerry rice or patrick mahomes if you in sloven if you in europe if you're in that but listen

hey i understand what you're saying even we will never i don't think any sport will ever touch that of soccer that of the beautiful no obviously basketball basketball is another sport that many of them choose to to play or want to be like certain individuals but the game the game of football, as great as it is, continuing to grow globally on the other side of the world, is a good thing for all.

It's a good thing for all of them because obviously, not only do we get

to expand from an economic standpoint, it's good for other players, their brand, and being able to do things not just here in the States, but being able to do things outside of the States as well.

So in a sense, long term, it's a great thing.

It's a great thing.

But they will never, ever be able to be what soccer is.

Because

Europeans, they play it.

They can play soccer.

I can become pro.

What's the likelihood?

African, the continent of Africa, you have Nigeria, you have teams, they can play

football.

Yeah.

How many guys

from Europe go like, you know what?

Yeah, that football thing, I'm going to be back at my homes.

I'm going to be Tom Brady.

Hey,

it'd be very difficult you you you have to understand too everybody in europe everybody plays soccer

the chances of you playing at the highest level the epl city

la liga i mean french league like that on only so many it's only so many spots And everybody does it.

So like, just think about this.

I know you don't watch soccer much, but when you hear the conversations of the comparison between Cristiano and Messi, I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these dudes are because everybody played this sport and the comparison of who the best is of a certain era or a certain generation, like that's the cream of the crop.

And then there's everybody.

And we're going to be the place you come to for the World Cup.

Oh, yeah.

But you got to think about it, Ocho.

In soccer,

Messi left home.

You think about Ronaldo, he left home.

Hoblin probably left home.

Lewandowski probably left home.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's a difference.

But man, this game tonight,

this game tonight, we've we've been getting some very, very good games thus far.

I know it's early, Ocho.

It's like week eight, week nine.

They'd be like, damn,

y'all couldn't

y'all couldn't flex up out of this one.

I don't think they can flex.

I think they can only, I think Sunday night is the game, but I think they're starting to start allowing to flex out earlier because, you know, ain't nobody trying to look.

I understand that they might be this or might be that but ain't nobody trying in week 10 trying to see a two team a two win team on no sunday night right or no monday night or no thursday well thursday you stuck you stuck because every everybody has to everybody has to play you know at least one thursday night game right right huh damn man

out of monday night

sunday night okay yeah yeah oh they play oh yeah and that's the thing they were like hey fox and cbs be like man we got a oh boy we got a barn burner.

And we said, nah, let me get that one.

Hey, hey, speaking of barn burners,

Ash Ash, who is the London game this Sunday?

The Broncos.

Who they playing?

The Jets, right?

Yeah,

I'd be at that game.

I'd be at the game.

Matter of fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go down on the field.

Ain't going to nothing going to change.

Can I tell you who going to win?

Broncos.

The Jets.

You hoping?

The Jets.

All right, we're gonna get back to that.

We got a very special guest joining us.

One half of the MOB Deep crew.

Here he is with his title album, Infinite

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Yeah, bag.

So, Infinite, tell us about the album.

What can we expect from this?

The Infinite album is an album that we putting out the first time since the passing of Prodigy since 20, you know,

2017, yep.

Yeah, he passed away in 2017.

So this is the first project that Mob Deep is putting out since his passing.

And me and Alchemist got together, put some music together, got some Prodigy versus some unheard Prodigy versus.

Wow.

You know, put it together.

Hey, that's dope.

Hey, one of the things I want to talk to you about, obviously, Mob Deep.

I've been huge fans for a very long time.

When you think about the music industry and how the sound of music changes every 10 years, have you thought about when it comes to making music and coming out in this era with the sound being different?

Do you change anything or do you stay your authentic self based on what your true fans want to hear?

Nah, you got to stay your authentic self because you can't alienate your core base.

You know what I'm saying?

You can't alienate your foundation, man.

You know what I mean?

Without your foundation, you got nothing.

You know what I'm saying?

It's that quick money if you try to, you know, try to be current and try to be, you know what I'm saying, try to be cool.

That's just the quick money, but then you alienate your fan base.

And Mark Deep was never one to alienate their fan base.

We just, we stick with our supporters.

You feel me?

Yes.

But you know what, Havoc is a very fine line because when you do something, it's like, man, this is the same old, same old, same old, same old.

You try to give them something new.

Man, I want to hear the old stuff.

So how do you, how do you balance, walk this tightrope?

this high wire that says, okay, I'm going to stay true to who we are, but I'm going to add a little flavor so you can let you know that

we can go other places and still be true to who we are.

That's true.

It really is a fine line.

And it's a fine line in anything that you do, whether it's music, you know what I'm saying, sports, this, that, and the third.

You know what I mean?

Because you got to kind of do change with the times.

You understand what I'm saying?

You know, you got to stay up to speed.

You got to stay up with technology.

You know what I mean?

But you still got to keep your core values and principles intact.

Right.

right when you're creating yeah what you're creating so it is a it's a tough balancing act and not a lot of artists could could toe that line it's really it makes it breaks artists to be at the end of the day yeah how did you how did you and uh uh prodigy meet uh we met in high school we met in high school yeah back in 1989 you know what i mean the high school of art and design back in new york okay

and um yeah we we hit it off man we was like instant friends

so

how did you i want to know how you came up with the name mob deep all right so you know

you know diddy wanted to sign us back in the days you know what i mean he wanted to sign us

and and he was like yo man our name was poetical prophets back in the days

and diddy was like y'all want to sign y'all man but y'all got to change your name so We went back to the drawing board and we described, we came up with a name that described how we rolled, you know what I mean, when we went out.

and yeah y'all was deep we was deep and it was a marble bus you know what i mean i love that yeah

you know what i mean

and um the name the name stuck the name stuck

from the queen's bridge i mean hey nas man y'all got some heavy i see you i see you in qb i saw you i was like yo i was out there with jungle me and steve style i was out there i was like okay and everybody came out like man honk out here in the bridge

i was like okay yeah honk in the bridge.

Yo,

you kept it a buck with that one.

You kept it a stack.

I was like,

you was right there in the thick of it all, man.

Word.

Hey, hey, have most of the time, us as fans, music fans, we only get to see the finished product.

I don't think fans really understand the work that goes in when it comes to making an album.

You know,

the countless hours, the writing.

uh the brain fees you get when it comes to the finished product that you do have

now in the Infinite.

How long did it take for you to, for one, come up with the vision and what you want to do and actually completing the album?

How long did that normal?

I mean, you know, me, they have to pull me away from a project to make me stop because

I'll work forever.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm like a perfectionist.

They have to stop me.

They'd be like, chill, have, chill, have.

It's done.

But with this project, you know, with Prodigy in mind, it's like I knew that we had a job to do and we had to get it done.

You know what I mean?

We had unfinished business.

So this project, I would say it took us about a good little year to get everything right and, you know, do all the songs, pick the best songs and just, you know, and then

come with a complete project.

So it took about a year.

You know, Infamous is

regarded as one of the best all-time albums.

What do you think is some of the things that make an album a classic and make it be able to stand the test of time?

You know what makes an album a classic is to me, in my mind, is not even knowing that it's a classic.

You know what I mean?

You don't even realize it's a classic.

It's just something that it stands the test of time.

You understand what I'm saying?

It can be good.

It's good in the first decade.

It came out.

The second, the next decade.

It's still popping.

And then the third decade, we playing it like it's brand new.

We all know albums like that, like the chronic, you know what I'm saying?

Some NWA projects, you know, Wu-Tang project, you know what I'm saying?

Classic albums that we still play today.

And our kids is bumping to it.

And they wasn't even born at the time.

You feel me?

That's a classic for you.

Yeah.

Hey,

Spake, based on some of the classics that you just named, who would be outside of yourself, your group in general, outside of yourself, what would you say is the most classic hip-hop album that was it was classic in the 80s or whether it was the 90s whether it's the 2000s that you could put it on in any era any generation and it resonates with everybody man i have to say off the wall you know what i'm saying you know off the wall michael jackson off the wall yeah yeah i have to say off the wall okay that's a good eight half for real talk

If you just listen, not commercial, because we know what Thriller was, but I believe off the wall is Michael Jackson's best work.

Exactly before it got crazy you know what i'm saying it's like didn't have the commercial success

it didn't have the commercial sense it's uh a bad it didn't have the commercial sense as maybe invincible right but boy y'all better go back and listen to off the wall

because that that that was his foundation right like that was his foundation

and then you know came with thriller we was like all right that's dope but that was

hey

hey have being that you from queen bridge I know you got to be a huge fan of Battle Rap.

All day long.

All day long.

Okay, okay.

Most definitely.

Most definitely.

I've been a huge fan of Battle Rap, my man, for now, maybe about eight, nine years.

So I'm talking about, I done went back and did my homework.

Went Tay and Clips and DNA.

I'm talking about way back when they first started.

And I've caught up.

I've caught up the now to where I'm the hugest, hugest

battle rap fan.

Who would be your favorite battle rapper if you had to take one?

Oh, man, there's so many.

But, you know,

Polo the Dawn is one of them that I like.

Polo, Polo.

You know what I mean?

I really, I really liked him.

And when you're dealing with that battle rap, if you're not acclimated to it or you, you, you want to learn about it, you could go down a rabbit hole for real.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

For real.

Yeah.

You know, look, in the 90s, it started, look, it started back in the 80s with the beefing, and then it came to the 90s.

When you heard Hit Em Up, and you heard Tupac mention y'all, what did you think?

You like, man, we got to get this dude, man.

We got to come out with something.

We got to send some shots back, man.

Damn.

Hey, listen, listen.

Hip-hop is a contact sport.

So we want it all to smoke.

We want it all to smoke.

Yeah.

It's like, yeah, yeah.

Come on.

Give us some more.

Right.

And look, look.

When he did that, you know, I looked at Tupac.

He was like, mad thing, is he at the movie Juice?

You understand what I'm saying?

So, and you know, Tupac was pretty popular.

So, we just coming up in the game trying to make a name for ourselves.

So, he helped us make a name for ourselves.

So, you know, I wasn't guiding him.

You know what I'm saying?

I ain't gonna lie to you, you have.

I didn't know.

I was like, well, damn, he mentioned my.

I said, well, let me go see who we're talking about.

Exactly.

That's my point.

Exactly.

You know what I mean?

And I think if he was alive today, we probably would have been mad cool by now.

You know what I mean?

So it's all good.

Give me some, some.

what do you think of the top?

You look, you're a writer, producer, uh, uh, you're an MC.

What is what, give me your top five tracks you think you've produced?

Drum roll.

My um, top five tracks that I produced, definitely got to say, shook ones.

Um, that's that's you know, without that song, where would I be?

Um, Quiet Storm, you know what I'm saying?

Remix featuring Lil Kim, Crazy, even, you know, one of her best songs that I, that I did, um, even for her.

Uh,

Why

that I produced with Jada Kiss?

You know what I'm saying?

That's number two.

Word.

Word, word, word.

Why about Jada Kiss?

I will have to say,

let me see.

Oh,

a joint that I did for Nas called The Setup.

That's four.

And one called The Promise that I did for Foxy Brown.

Damn, you've been working a bit with me.

Where's Foxy at?

Where's Foxy at?

Yeah, she chilling.

She chilling.

She going to come back out soon.

You know, we be messaging and stuff like that.

You know, you know what I mean?

But that's my girl.

Did you all?

Hey, man.

Did you always want to be in this space?

Did you always want to be an MC?

Did you always want to write?

Did you always want to produce?

Did you always want to rap?

Or was there something else that you wanted to do, but you're like, you know what?

At that point in time, you're like, hip-hop was calling you.

I mean, I wanted to be an architect.

So, you know, I went to the school of art and design, high school.

You know what I mean?

I wanted to be an architect.

I wanted to build things, buildings.

But then music just kind of like took over my life when I got into high school.

You know what I mean?

And I come from a place, Queensbridge, where we got Marley Maul, you know, St.

Nas, MC Shannon, Roxanne Shantae.

So it was like this tradition out there in hip-hop.

You know what I mean?

Roxanne, Roxanne.

So, you know, I got that bug early, the music bug early.

And, you know, luckily, I was successful at it because, you know, i definitely wanted to be an architect first before music

man but you know the queen bridge y'all been battling molly marl and boogie down with a uh with a uh krs one y'all be y'all been battling for a minute it all started it all started with y'all i mean it really did and when you and when you front row to a battle like that it puts the fire in your belly you feel me it put that fire in there where you just like i could do this you know what I'm saying?

Like, who does man think he is coming through trying to diss my hood?

You feel me?

But I love, I love Karen's one, you know what I mean?

Um, and that's what I that's what I'll try to tell you: hip-hop, a contact sport.

Y'all think y'all got it, y'all think y'all doing it in football.

We we out here going crazy in hip-hop, right?

Hey, the funny thing when you when you think about hip-hop, too, the way you describe it being a contact sport, the better your penmanship, the harder you hit.

That's right, and

that's all it comes down to.

The better the pen.

Man, I don't know, man.

I'm a huge, huge, huge, huge fan of hip-hop.

I bet I can't rap.

I can't rap.

I've never been, I can talk shit, but I can't rap.

And it's always been a joy of mine to see people like yourself, KRS1, and some of the other artists that I

grew up watching still doing their thing today.

And I just want to say, brother, I salute you.

I salute you.

I got to meet you.

Matter of fact, you're in New York right now?

Yes, indeed.

Yes, it is D.

i come to new york tomorrow

pull up pull up i got i i gotta pull up pull up man it'd be it'd be an honor you know what i mean and and i thank y'all for letting me on for real we appreciate you coming on uh one half of mob deep havoc album titled infinite with tracks from the late prodigy bro thank you for joining us we appreciate it continued success we'll see you down the road Thank you, man.

Yeah.

Peace.

Peace out.

Peace and love.

Oh, Joe.

Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon said he apologized to the team for the sideline confrontation with Amari DiMacario, Macardo, excuse me, during which Gannon appeared to strike the third-year running back.

Gannon said, I woke up this morning and I didn't feel great about it, honestly.

So in the team meeting, I addressed it.

I apologize to Amari.

I apologize to the team and I just told them,

I kind of let the moment of what happened get the better of me.

Obviously, I try to be

emotionally stable and calm because my my job is to solve problems during the game and kind of lead the charge on that.

So it's really not who I am and I want to

be.

It's not who I want to be.

It's really not about that's not who I really am.

When people's emotions are high, logic is low, like you always say.

You're a coach understanding that you're probably going to lose a game based on a bonehead play that a player does.

You're not thinking about, okay, I know he did that, but let me not react.

No.

Let me not react.

No.

Unk, players get coaches fired.

Yes.

For situations like you just saw.

You're right.

I think he is in his well right to be able to react how he sees fit.

Now, I know public opinion, you can't do that in this day and age.

in this era.

It's okay.

Sometimes you should be able to chastise your player regardless of whether he makes millions of dollars or not.

There's certain things you should not do in a game it's a game of inches it's a game of inches every play matters that play matters because of that play in that mistake you lost the game you're gonna put the game out of reach you're about to score 28 to 6

hey but listen i i understand him he has to apologize um obviously the era i grew up in

that's the way that's the way they handled us for sure

that's the way they handled us it's not it's it's frowned upon today in today's today's game regardless of what level of football you play but you never made it to the sideline had that happened that was never a thing i don't remember that ever happened had you had you did a play like that when i was growing up yeah you wouldn't have made it to the sideline coke would have grabbed you by your face mask and pulled your ass out

man listen and i uncle i ask you this every time hey chat let me know chat if you ever saw this Think about, I think about Miami.

I think about Liberty City, the inner city, where I grew up, the way the high schools, the optimist clubs, and the way the coaches coach.

And I think one of the reasons why we are all so great and so many of us come out of our area and flourish at the highest level, despite circumstance, despite obstacles, is because of us becoming numb to the

way we're coached, as hard as it is, and being used to the cursing and the hollering, especially in pressure situations.

We're already built for it.

We're already built for it.

The documentary I asked you about a while ago

called the Year of the Bull.

You you never did see the year of the bull huh it's a documentary on miami northwestern the way the coaches were back then and the way they coached some of those teams um unbelievable chad i don't know if you use any of you saw the year of the bull the documentary about miami northwestern where teddy bridgewater went a lot of nfl players that are in the league now and former nfl players um though it's a reason why they're so great it's it's a reason because they're not baby they're not they're not pampered when it comes to playing the position i mean the the sport of football and at times it's needed because you you you look you look at some of the mistakes that that we make today

parents you can't scold your kids you can't beat your kids the way you used to it's frowned upon some of the mistakes and kids and being out of control back then yeah

it was a village it is it was you wasn't getting away with some of that stuff today man i'm i'm in the grocery store i'm i'm hearing kids cussing that day mama like

what

you you I don't want I don't fucking want to do it what

when we go we going in the store your mama tell you getting out the car we going to the store don't ask me for shit don't touch ish

and don't touch nothing and when you go in the store you're gonna do two things you're not gonna touch nothing and you ain't gonna ask her for nothing now what you might do you might sneak some sneak something in the buggy and hope she pay for it when she pull everything out when you get to the register

Not Mary Porter.

Mary Porter is going to say, take that ish back where you got it from.

And then, and then go hit you upside your head and say, I told you not to put nothing in my buggy.

Now, my grandma reviewed, that was a whole different story.

See, like grandparents, Ocho,

we stayed with Mary and Barney.

So my other grandparents, my dad's mom and father, they didn't see us that much.

So what they gonna do?

Right.

Give us whatever we want.

Soon as we hit the door, Papa drop us off.

Granddaddy William and Grandma Charlie, we call it.

Charlie, here go them boys.

Oh, Joe, I got my little bag.

Soon as I hit the door, grandma, Charlie, can we go to the grocery store?

All right.

Uh-uh-uh-uh.

Will you?

Granddaddy William.

Load the cop, hot dogs,

hot dog buns, honey buns, potato chip, soda, because all she drank was tab soda.

I don't know if anybody remember old enough to remember tab in that pink can.

That ish was nasty.

But boy, man, if she said, well, we're going to go to the store later.

Here, here's a dollar for you and Spanky.

Give me a dollar.

Before we hit that door, there's a store, probably like 50 by 50 yards.

Kelly.

Yeah.

But man, Porter, we go on Saturday because really, that's the only time we went shopping.

Saturday.

Maybe, maybe.

Like a Friday afternoon, Papa would take us.

We go pick up Granny.

She had to get paid.

She go cash a check and then we'll go.

But we already know.

Boy, don't you put the boy, please.

But you're right, Ocho.

there was a i don't know and maybe maybe because it was always that way ocho but we didn't have the internet everything wasn't film so maybe kids were just as respectful then disrespectful then as they are now it's hard for me to believe that but i just know from what i saw but them parents ain't play that

And parents ain't play that.

Now, every once in a while, you might see, you know, the white people, they were a little bit more, okay, okay, mom.

I'm not going to do

But the black kids,

boy, please.

Better ain't play that.

Mary Porter said, Wherever you show out, you get woe out.

And matter of fact.

Grocery stole, it didn't matter.

Walking on the street.

It didn't matter.

It didn't matter.

You're going to get it right, right now.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I'm thinking I'm slick.

You know, when it's a senior choir time in my grandma in church and she sees me acting up in the pew,

she ain't got to do nothing.

Look at you,

just stare.

And you already know, man, come on, man.

The saying,

it takes a village.

I'm telling you, man, them days back then, man, them 80s and them early 90s, man.

Them people ain't playing.

Nah, people didn't play.

You're going to act up well.

Don't make me call your grandma.

My grandma would have been Twilier Cazocho.

My grandma be at my grandma be in church.

I started crying.

I already know.

She said she's going to cut my tail.

I already know what she's saying, Ocho.

Hey.

Hey, listen, hold on.

My grandma used to come on my arm and pinch.

She had pinch my arm, twist the twist.

And then you know, you're so young.

Once you start crying, you're crying out loud.

So she reached right in that purse.

She gave me either that butterscotch candy or peppermint to get me to get quiet.

Oh, boy, them see good days, boy.

Oh, but see, we got the butterscotch that's already out of the wrap.

It got lint, got everything.

Oh, got a penny stuck to it.

I'm like,

can we get some candy with the wrapper on, Granny?

You give me that butterscotch and that peppermint.

That got lint on it.

It got little cotton fuzzy.

It got a penny or a dime stuck to it.

I was like, get here.

Hold on.

Hey,

y'all had the candy with the strawberry?

Yeah.

Yes.

You know what I'm talking about?

Yes.

Man, listen.

Boy.

But, but, but, Ocho, to get back on this football thing, it's different.

And I get it.

Sometimes, what, I mean, that was some, some coaches, that was abusive what they did.

Obviously, you can't coach like that, but that's why, that's why it would be hard for me to coach, Ocho, because you know better.

You've seen it.

You just saw last week Mitchell do it, and it cost himself a 76-yard touchdown.

So, and it, and

they lost the game, I think, too, didn't they?

Didn't they lose to the Rams?

The Colts.

Didn't the Colts lose that game with Mitchell bobbled it?

I'm not sure.

I think they did.

I'm not sure.

Yeah, they lost to the Rams, Ocho.

So you've seen it happen, but yet you still doing it.

I just.

Hey, like the 100 meters.

Anybody that breaks an open from now on,

cross through the line.

You should.

Pretend like you're running the 100 because you're not going to slow it before you cross that line.

Same thing in football.

Cross that line.

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