Deebo & Joe - Browns bench Joe Flacco, Dillon Gabriel disses Sheduer? + 49ers beat Rams

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Welcome back to Debo and Joe.

I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.

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Joe, how you doing over there in London with all that Browns gear on?

I'm doing great.

Cleveland Browns London takeover is happening right now.

Yesterday, we went out on a boat, met with like 250 fans, me and my man Josh Cribs out here with me having a blast

in Okinaw State.

Yeah, for sure.

He told us he'd be watching it.

He'd be tapped into the podcast.

So, you know, he showed he definitely showed love.

Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Yeah, that's my guy.

You know,

that was our quarterback my

senior year.

He was our, he was our, he was our starting quarterback.

So yes.

Yeah, I got, I got to, got to have a hot little year with him, a little, like a little, like a little Vic over there.

You know what I'm saying?

Man, Cribs is so good, bro.

You know, he from D.C.

We from the same area.

So he was the man back at the crib.

Then he went to Kent.

Then I was able to play with him in Cleveland.

So fire.

Oh, yeah, 100%, man.

Let's get this started, brother.

So the Rams went on here and

I would say lost it in overtime or however you want to do it but the 409ers ended up beating the rams and uh you know the first quarter it kind of started off like smooth for san fran dude they went down the field they scored a touchdown they scored a touchdown on the first drive and they had like two penalties bro it was a false start and a and a holding and they still were able to go down there and and get a touch and then you know la gets the rock the next possession and they sack him they put him behind the chains previous you know and then the preceding possession, they got

two fourth downs.

They converted two, San Francisco converted two fourth downs, dude.

And oh, they also had a rough and the penalty that helped them get an extra 15, but it's 14-0 now.

LA then comes out and they actually are driving the ball and fumble.

San Francisco recovered,

but they got lucky there that, you know, San Francisco didn't make nothing of it.

And

they got the ball back i believe with

no we're still in there so easy they went on ahead and i think they scored a touchdown in the next drive they ended up i believe taking advantage of a rookie out there i think what was his name i think his number was 20 or something they they kind of they kind of used him on that drive you know what i'm saying they was going to smack at him Yeah, they was going to, I think Devontae, he got a couple penalties and all that, but they ended up scoring that first touchdown.

So it was, I think it was 7 to 14 by then.

And right before the half, San Fran was able to get a field goal, ended up halftime 17 to

7.

Okay.

Yeah, so once they came back out, you know, LA goes to driving again.

They're doing pretty good, but the field goal kicker, he misses the field goal, dude.

Like, so San Fran gets the ball back, that next possession.

They get a field goal.

It's 20 to 7.

I'm thinking, maybe it might be a little less competition than I thought.

And then that boy Stafford comes alive, dude.

He gets Puka involved.

They score on back-to-back possessions, but the extra point on the second touchdown is blocked, bro.

20 to 20 tie

going in.

I'm like, okay.

We got action, bro.

It is a game.

Yes, we got a good game here.

I don't really care who wins.

You know what I'm saying?

I just want to see.

Yeah, you just want to to see good football.

Yeah.

San Fran go head down there and they score a field goal, but they gave Stafford like three minutes.

That's way too much time.

Just under three minutes, dude.

That's way too much time, bro.

And LA

is driving down there

and they get the like two, bro.

Dude fumbles the rock.

San Fran recovers.

I'm thinking game

over with.

Turnovers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like

it's done.

Like everything

is going to be over with from here.

And

LA gets the ball back with like 40-something seconds left, dude.

And they end up getting a field goal

to

regulation.

Yeah, to end regulation.

It's tied up again.

They jump into overtime.

San Fran kicks the field goal in overtime.

They're able to do that.

But you know, they got the two possession thing going on right now where you get a chance.

Yeah.

And then L.A.

goes for it on fourth down, brah.

And fourth and one.

Do not get it.

And then, you know, it's over with.

That's the end of the game.

That's the end of overtime game over with.

What do you think?

You think they should have went for it on fourth down?

What do you think of the call of L.A.

going for it on fourth down and overtime?

I like the coach trying to win the game.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, end of the day, it's fourth and one.

We need one yard.

Can we get a yard to win the game?

You know what I'm saying?

And just go out here and not do no ties.

Like, I appreciate him playing to win and not

playing the tie or playing to lose.

I think he shows his players, like, man, I believe.

Let's get this fourth and one.

Let's go down here and score and walk out of the stadium with a dub.

You know what I'm saying?

So you can look at it both ways, man.

Kick the field goal, tie it up, see what you're going to do.

But at the end of the day, I like the coach who's going to believe in my squad.

We got one yard.

Let's get this fourth and one.

Let's finagle and get this touchdown and walk out of the stadium with a dub.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm not mad at him.

It's you look crazy when you don't get it.

Your linemen look crazy.

Like your running back, everybody, you got smacked.

They stopped for fourth and one.

So you feel like it, like, you feel like it's the wrong decision.

But if they would have made that, then everybody would be looking like, oh, yeah, there we go.

Believe me.

Like, we can make these decisions.

Our coach believes in us.

Right now, they look silly, but hindsight.

I don't think they look silly because for me, you had an extra point that was blocked.

Mr.

Field goal, and we're in overtime.

It could be maybe a block, a miss.

You know what?

It's only a yard.

We can get a yard.

Totally agree with it.

Would have did the same thing because looking at the tie, a tie feels like a loss to me, dude.

I don't like, man, you all that for nothing.

Yeah, a tie, it just feels, it, it feels too much like a loss to me, bro.

I can't, I, I can't work with that.

And, you know, even with San Fran still one, I mean, they ended up losing a couple players that were hurt, that ended up getting hurt and not having everyone there that was already

hurt and not able to play.

Do you think that

Mac Jones

is

better than Purdy?

Or do you think

that he

is compared to Purdy?

Do you think we have a quarterback

maybe

issue?

Not issue, but we have a quarterback competition.

Like, you just, I understand you just paid this man a bunch of money.

But it looks like to me,

just from, you know, looking at the, you know, the eye test, I need a quarterback that could come in there, make plays, not turn the ball over because all my other pieces

can help him win as long as he's able to, you know, contribute and not do anything to hurt us.

Yeah.

I feel, I think, I like, I like Brock Purdy more than I do like Mac Jones.

I just think that it's kind of sucks when he doesn't have all his weapons.

You know what I'm saying?

Like there's a lot of injuries over there in San Fran.

And I think that that's not really, that's not helping him.

I think when he had all of his, when he first came in there, he had.

everybody.

He had his whole arsenal.

He had his tight end.

He had kittle.

He had the running back there healthy.

So it was able to kind of get the ball around around a lot more.

And I think now with him not having as many resources, it's kind of making him look not obviously not as good because you don't have the talent around him.

But I don't think he's like a, he's just a do-it-all quarterback.

He's not going to make, he's not going to elevate your whole team.

He's going to be a piece that's going to be able to keep it consistent and be able to make sure once everybody's there, I'm not going to fuck it up.

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but you got Mac out here with none of that.

And no, I didn't expect him to win this game.

I'm not going to lie to you.

I just thought that, you know, with the defensive line of L.A., that, you know, it was go behind him.

No, Mac, but no, we're talking about Mac Jones, the quarterback for the goddamn Patriots.

No, he's not Stafford.

No, he's not.

No, he's not, bro.

He's the backup quarterback now for

LA.

I mean, for the 49ers, sorry.

Damn.

See, I'm stupid.

Yeah,

yeah.

For sure, for sure.

That's what I'm saying.

He went out there and did all that.

Mac backing up Purdy.

Yeah.

Same friend.

So, you think he should get a chance to get out there?

I ain't saying he should get a chance to get out there.

I'm just saying, right now, I got you know, I got a pistol sitting in my pocket right now, and I done seen what it could do without all the weapons.

And I done seen what my other guy does with all the weapons.

What do it look like if I get an opportunity to give him all the weapons?

I understand, like, he didn't do well in New England, but you got a different team, he ain't had nobody in the team, he got a pay call, he got somebody calling the right plays that's, I guess, obviously fitting, you know, what he can do at that position.

I mean, he got a whole, you know, he got, he got a, he got CC, CMC.

Like, what are you talking about?

That's, that's two players right there.

That's runner back and the receiver.

So with that combination, do we really need, do we really need to go out here and get a, you know, $150, $200 million quarterback?

Do we, or can we, can we work with, you know, what, what we have right here in Mac?

No, I mean, I ain't going to lie to you, that makes complete sense because Mac did, Mac, Mac didn't look crazy out there in New England, didn't have nowhere near, I think, the offensive skill talent that San Francisco has.

So, if you give him the chance to be able to be back there with some dogs, I think he might look like you see, yeah, he might look real good.

He's looking good right now, for sure.

Or is it the play calling?

I don't know.

I mean, it's a combination of all that, too.

But I mean, he's looking good.

We might have a little bit of quarter controversy, you know what I'm saying?

I don't know.

Oh, for sure.

Speaking of quarterback controversy,

they say Dylan Gabriel, yeah.

Oh, my Lord.

Obviously,

for the Browns.

So

they said he was throwing a

sublingual type, you know, hit at Shador.

I think we got the sound bite right here.

Listen to it.

Here we go.

I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus.

And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But

you wait for the perfect time.

You know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

So do you think that is throwing some shade at Shador, not going and taking that opportunity to maybe go to Baltimore and, you know, hindsight 50-50, knowing the future, he would be starting right now?

Do you think that's what it is?

That's what they're trying to say.

I didn't get that off that.

Did you get that off that, Debo?

No.

I got, I got, I got none of that off that, dude.

I got none of that off that.

So I feel like

people out here, yeah, they reaching.

They reach out, chasing.

They looking for something that they could write and read about.

I don't know, I don't understand how that even you know flipped over to that.

Now, you see why Shador went and did a mime interview.

Because if you don't say nothing, they can't twist nothing.

Yes,

everybody is so

messy when it comes to this.

Because it's Dylan Gabriel and it's Shador.

You can't say nothing.

Dylan didn't say nothing.

I felt like that was attacking Shador.

And if Shador says anything, they're going to crucify the man.

So he tries not to, then he's going to, then he's going to mime you.

So like,

I feel him.

You can't win for losing.

You know what I'm saying?

And I don't think Dylan said anything going at Shador in that sound bite.

He's just trying to, he's trying to avoid controversy.

He's saying, I'm just waiting for my opportunity.

You know, da, da, da, da.

Like, what can the kid say?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't think that they're trying to switch up stuff and put them into like real, this is a quarterback battle, obviously.

Listen, man, they're trying to say that, you know, they're trying to say a little bit of everything.

You know, Shadora had a famous song in 24.

It was called Perfect Timing.

You know what I'm saying?

So they're trying to, they're trying to connect everything to something.

Like, dude, just.

Oh,

everything bust out my AP.

Perfect timing.

Right.

Like, come on, man.

Like.

Don't, you can't say nothing.

Like, it's,

listen, I don't believe he's going that deep into depth to be be able to, as soon as something comes up, you know, a perfect time.

Come on.

No, man.

That dude is trying.

I think he's trying.

He's trying to get ready.

He, Dylan, and I'm rooting for Dylan.

I'm rooting for Dylan Gabriel.

It's not his bad that he was drafted third round.

It's not his bad that he's in the position that he's in.

And every time I've seen him in the preseason, he hasn't looked bad.

He's looked like he knew a little something.

Like he's throwing the ball.

I love the, I love the snap.

He gets the ball out fast.

So I'm rooting for him.

I want him to be out there and be successful.

But it's just when you have Shador on your team, everybody, anything the kid does, they maximize it.

He tries to chill.

He's been trying to, you know what I'm saying, work, get it done.

And

now him not even being a backup quarterback.

That's kind of, he's just, if I was Shador, I'd feel some type of way because I know I'm a baller.

I know what I got.

And I just have to keep it humble.

I'm keeping it chill.

I'm trying to be as professional as possible.

But as soon as I say something, now I can't say anything.

So I feel for him.

I know he's just trying to wait for his opportunity.

And then it's just another slap in the face to when it's like, now you're not even going to be the backup to him.

So Flacco is backing up Dylan Gabriel.

So I just feel, I feel bad for Shador because I know he wants to play.

He knows the skill set that he has.

And he just wants to be able to go out and perform.

There's nothing he can do, nothing he could talk about.

He's the backup quarterback.

So why you keep putting the camera in my face?

Don't ask me no questions, nigga.

Like, what's the point of that?

They clout you.

They need something to talk about, dude they they they need that you know i don't understand why all these reporters is doing that especially a lot of them being like you're in cleveland like i don't i don't yeah i don't i don't understand or clout for chase

joe said it's going to get caught up somewhere yeah joe said on the bitching he said i don't think i foresaw it

what what do you mean that he don't think he foresaw it i don't I don't understand that.

Like, what didn't you foresee?

Joe, you got, what, six picks, one touchdown in four games they drafted two quarterbacks just in case they got like a what was it a third and a fifth and yeah like what didn't you foresee like it was some point in time that if things weren't going well which they aren't like you

you done throw you done through more picks

six times more picks than like that's crazy The writing was on the wall.

Yeah, what didn't you?

I mean, unless your vision done went bad too joe

oh that one you couldn't foresee you couldn't see

that

that would have been in the back of my head like

i throw this boy in here i guess it might be man

i think it might be my time

right behind me that man getting a little bit he got some first team reps hold up now

you know what i'm saying

oh man uh i don't know how you didn't foresee that one brother no Flacco, he's wildin'.

I think he, he, he, he, I don't know.

I don't know why he did.

I think he lied, but you had the opportunity to see it.

I think he lied.

They drafted two quarterbacks, and you've been playing bad, and you've been in the league for 17, 18 years.

You know how this go.

Right.

You are right there.

You are holding down the fort until you not.

And you wasn't.

So they going to young bowls.

Like, come on.

Yeah, it's time, baby.

You weren't, you were, like you said, you wasn't holding down the fort.

Like, they got two young boys in there.

They got you there.

Just, yeah, you go ahead, try and show them something.

We could, if we could win with you, we'd do it.

We know, you know, maybe they ain't ready, we don't want to throw them into the fire yet.

But now, you know what?

It done got hot.

You know, we might mess around, lose our job.

So, we got to go ahead and see what we could do with what we went out here and drafted.

See if it could give us some hope for

the next for the rest of the season, rather.

You know what I'm saying?

Thousand percent.

Yeah.

So, my guy, Deshaun Elliott, he over here, uh,

he had had a profane rant, I guess.

He's posted his, he got a fine.

He told him, counter fucking days.

Y'all worried about the wrong thing.

We got a picture of that.

Let's fix the things that actually mean something.

Did he get fine by the team or by the league?

He got fined by the league and he tagged the NFL and the NFL PA.

Now, he's upset that he got fined for wearing a, I believe it was a black tie.

What do you think about this, man?

You know how that is, Debo.

He said, listen, man, he said, y'all worried about the wrong thing.

Let's fix the things that actually mean something.

I mean, some of the shit is code, it's dress code, like socks.

I would get fine all the time for my socks.

If your knees being exposed, you know what I'm saying?

And then in Cleveland, sometimes your cleats had to be.

Look here, look here, Joe.

Let me tell you, Joe, this is where I'm at with it.

He tagged the NFL and and NFLPA.

NFL-PA,

executive director.

That's going to be me, okay?

Yes, yes.

I'm the person that you would be talking to.

Now,

here is what it is.

Hey,

Elliot, don't you come at me with this bullshit.

You know good and well.

You can't be wearing a different color towel and all that other stuff.

They go through the whole dress code.

So if you want to do something out there, just like Joe said, you go get a fine for showing your knees, you go get a fine for not wearing your socks, how you're supposed to wear them.

You're working for the NFL and the Stillers, you know, that was coming.

So, don't bring this bullshit to my table when I'm NFL PA executive director.

Okay.

You knew what you was doing.

Debo, that's exactly right.

Because when I go out there joint, they telling me your knees is out, Joe.

You're going to get fine for that.

They make sure when you come back in the locker room, they let you know what's good, what's not.

And you got to market

it, don't mean they ain't going to catch it later on during the rest of the thing.

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You know, you know what you're doing wrong.

That is,

you know,

what it look like, bro.

I know my socks a little.

What you think?

Damn, hit me up.

Yeah, I know it ain't right, but you know what?

I'm going to take whatever that fine is because it's it's worth it for me to look like this.

Nah,

I ain't taking no fine.

I'll be uniformed out.

I'll be head to toe, A to Z, one, two, three.

I ain't letting no fine.

And you won't get fine for that, though.

So, like, at the end of the day, there's ways that you can put your gear on, right color, and still look as sweet as you want to, still look as fresh as you want to.

But there is rules to make us look.

uniform to make everybody look like we're professional football teams out there.

That's why like college football, having their jersey all rolled up in their stomach, stomachs out.

You know what I'm saying?

No, no knee pads, basically just thigh pads out there.

You know what I'm saying?

Like they look like they're playing in the backyard sometimes.

You know what I'm saying?

Some of the players, dude, you don't look cool.

You look bad.

Put your jersey like that doesn't look cool.

You look kind of weird.

So I think that there's a reason why you have to have certain things in the league.

And you may think it's like, oh man, that's petty shit, but that's why we look professional.

Everybody looks like, it looks like the NFL out there because we have to be chick dress code.

Exactly, dude.

You working for somebody else, man.

You working in Nate and they come to you.

They got a dress.

I was taking that fine.

So when sometimes if you want to be cool and wear something different, just know, take it on the head.

I did it because I was trying to be sweet.

And everybody has, every team has a guy that marks everything down.

You want to go up to him and be like, yo, am I good with this?

Am I good with that?

When you know you got something bad on, he's going to let you know.

He's going to tell you.

Like, you're going to take, you took a chance, man.

You took a chance.

You got caught.

And now

you upset.

I don't know why.

I don't understand it because you knew what the penalty would be.

Like,

that's, that's there.

I was never one that was like, you know what, man, I got to take this, you know, $10,000, $15,000 fine because I got to look good.

I got to make sure I got, no.

No.

I was taking the fine sometimes.

I'm a lie.

Sometimes I was doing the socks a little bit.

They was getting me for my socks.

I'm like,

I don't need my knees covered.

I don't feel as fast.

I'm sorry.

So sometimes I'm like, this, man, y'all, y'all.

I'm out of here, nigga.

My knees out.

So, and I knew I was going to get that fine.

I was going to get hit.

Sometimes with the visors, you know, you can't wear dark visors unless you have the script.

You got a script.

So they'd be telling Joe, I wear it for pre-game.

You got to take that out, Joe.

Right.

How many guys wear their visors for pre-game and come back out?

So a lot of the times the dude may not even say nothing to you because he's like, oh, this is your pregram.

Look, you're going to come back out, and you're gonna be in the right attire.

So, they don't want to sit there marking down 65 things.

When the dudes come back out, it's all gone.

Like, yep,

it don't, it don't, yeah.

You, you're not, you're not getting no, uh,

not getting no pity from depot on this one, yeah.

You're not getting no support over here for this, man.

That's that's just that's just not how it might be these young players, man.

Like, it don't, it don't make no sense.

He's talking about they worried about the wrong thing.

I think you might be worried about the wrong thing.

You know what I'm saying?

Hey,

He said, he said he lost his athleticism at 23.

Listen, listen to what he said, man.

Being 23, I'm not like fully in my grown man body all the way yet.

You know, I'm still growing every like every year.

And I just think like I got to just continue to be hard on myself about

not only just lifting weights, but eating the right foods.

Like that's been a big thing too.

So yeah, that's just a thing where I think the explosiveness comes from like being better with my diet, being better with,

you know, stretching.

And like,

I feel like I'm getting old.

So I got it.

I'm not, I'm not as quick as I used to be.

I was watching my high school stuff a couple days ago.

I was, I was like 180 and I was rolling.

I'm not no more.

But yeah, I try to just be better with that stuff so I can run fast.

All right.

What you

got to say about that, man?

Hey, man.

CJ Strout, man, that's that's an unathletic answer.

Like at 23,

you're supposed to be, you're primed.

That's where you're just like 23 to 26.

Like, that's when you're the best of the best of the best that you could ever be athletically.

I mean, for me, I was peak.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, right around that age, like, that's when you got your grown man.

You're starting to get into your grown man strength.

You're not 18, 19.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you, you getting it.

You feel it.

You're starting to grow into your body.

By that time, two, three years in the league, like, boy, this is supposed to be the best version of yourself that I've ever seen.

You know what I'm saying?

So, I understand, like, when you're being able to diet better, you know what I'm saying?

Like, understanding your food and being able to take care of your body more.

Well, he's trying to say he was dieting better in high school than he was now.

That's

crazy to me.

Dude, you're a 23-year-old.

At 23, bro, I could go three days, no sleep, rise, sun, shine, all that.

Yes.

Party to the wheels who fell off, still be at the gym by 6, 7.

I do that for three days straight before I was like, you know what?

I might need to get some sleep.

No, for sure.

What are you talking?

Maybe he's just joking, man.

He's talking about he hit a wall, a wall at 23, 24.

Stop playing, man.

Stop playing.

You want to see a wall?

It's a little wall at 30.

It's another wall at 35.

If you're blessed enough to be around the league that long, then you go really hit some walls.

And if you're talking like this right now at 23, I don't know.

The Texans might want to be looking for another quarterback because you are already giving me

the perception that you personally thinking in your head that you ain't got what you had in high school right now.

That is not something that I want to hear from my quarterback who I done supposed to make my franchise player for the next hopefully six, eight years.

Nah, that ain't what I'm looking for.

Maybe we might have to start looking for another one to pick up.

Like I said, I just.

That doesn't sound, that doesn't sound too positive.

I mean, I hope at the end of the day, I like CJ Stroud.

He's a great kid.

I think that he just, I don't know.

He needs to talk about his food and talking about his workouts and all of that stuff.

I think that's something where like, dude, that's what you like.

Be on that.

What are we talking about?

This is where like you're supposed to be building up to this stuff to getting, getting better.

It seems like he's like, no, like, i mean i don't know it just it didn't seem like a real good it didn't seem athletic to me that's for damn show that's what i mean you're supposed to you know like you're supposed to grow get better get all that you know like even when when i came in you know my first 2002 until about 2005 six around there

oh like you said i'm burning the candle at both ends but then i'm like you know what man like this game can help me get like generational wealth man i got to be able to to play this as long as i can so from 2000 about five six i started cutting things out i'm like you know what i'm not you know i'm not drinking you know during the week i changed my diet you know i started eating clean i started eating better i stopped eating out you know two three times a day now i was doing you know meals that were made at home that was made with good you know good good uh good quality food

fat so yeah and then from that i was like you know what i'm not going to drink during the week but i'll i'll i'll party on the weekend and and in the off season and then as that time progressed i'm like you know what from me doing that i saw results you know what i'm gonna do now is i'm not gonna i'm not gonna drink during the season at all you know what i'm saying and that would be like okay i'm gonna i'm gonna have a couple drinks or something when we do our rookie dinner or something like that.

You know, that would be the tree I would drink, but I would still do something in the offseason.

Then I got to where, you know what, I'm getting older.

I can't even, I can't even go hard, do nothing like that in the offseason.

So I got to where, you know, I would be almost year-round and wouldn't have no alcohol.

The easiest way to stay in shape is to never get out of shape.

I didn't take as much time off anymore, you know, where when I was younger, you know, I may take off six weeks or something.

Now I'm like, you know what?

I got a week.

I'm going to chill, especially, you know, if I'm hurt, something's hurt, try and get my body right, whatever that may be.

And then I'm, you know, I'm right back at it.

That's one of the, you know, that's one of the things.

But to say this at 23, like that's, that's wild, dude.

And I played, I was 39 years old.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's not what

I'm here from a position that, you know, guys are playing, you know, well into their late 30s, some early 40s, you know?

Yeah.

No, and then you, you at the quarterback position too, man.

We're going to need you for the long haul.

And that's not really sounding like that you think you're going to have, like, that you're it sounds like you like you're isn't it might the end of your career might not be as long as the beginning you know i'm saying like i was thinking like you're prepping up for something but it seems like you're already like oh man i'm getting up there like no you're not you're not getting up there you still haven't had your first contract yet like we still

you still didn't get your first rookie deal

Your position that you're at now, you need to be getting more knowledge, understanding, reading things faster.

Do you think Tom Brady stayed around that long because he was fast?

No, no, stayed around that long because he could see it, read it, understand it, and get it out.

Like,

yes, you need athletic ability and all that other stuff, but dude, the position you're in, you need to see it and get it out.

Like, don't

23 saying that, and you're just 20.

Nah, I don't, I don't like that at all.

And the more I think about it, the more it kind of disturbs me.

Yeah, no, for sure, man.

23 years old, that's just not something that you want want to hear from a 23-year-old player at all.

I mean,

I think I could respect him, but saying about his just athleticism, and maybe that's not his strength.

We never look at him as a blazer.

Like, that's something that, oh, yeah, we see Jay Stroud.

He's going to use his legs and get out of there.

No.

So I could understand like he's not the most athletic person at all.

I just don't want you to be sounding like my quarterback's getting old.

It may just be talking just like, you know,

you're talking negatively about yourself.

Like, I don't like the mindset that's coming from it.

You know, they already going to talk bad about you, CJ.

Don't do it to yourself.

Right.

Right.

Don't, don't, don't give them more fuel for the fire, man.

Like,

and, you know, actually to say it to the media, like right there, you know, even with a laugh, like, I don't, like, that's something that obviously is in his head.

Like, I'm not looking at my high school film, bro.

I'm playing the game.

Why am I looking at high school?

Like, oh man, I just felt like I was faster.

But no,

I should be able to destroy high school me.

You know what I'm saying?

There should be no comparison to high school me.

Yeah.

Anything.

Flick of the wrists.

Like, man, you were 16, 17 years old.

And it's like, that's what I'm saying.

You were a kid.

And now you grown man, 23.

And we talking about you getting old.

No, no, and you're still young.

You're still a young man.

You just been able to, you've been past 21 for two years.

You can, you just can rent a car you can't even rent a car you can he can't rent a car

can't rent a car yet you had a nine minutes old until you can rent a car

man i don't know maybe it's maybe it's the young players man who knows so we over here in philly man i guess multiple execs thinks that uh

They have an issue over there and that A.J.

Brown, Jeremy Folly, thinks that A.J.

Brown could be traded this offseason.

I guess his relationship or lack thereof, you know, he had his tweet that he said,

and he had to do some, I guess, explaining over that issue.

Do you think that they'll be able to

keep that together?

Do you think his,

do you understand?

Do you believe his frustrations is cool?

Is it

warranted?

Like, how do you believe this situation will come out?

And do you think that it is a better way for him to handle it?

I think

that AJ Brown knows he's a baller and numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver.

And it's a team sport, but you know that when you get to that table, those dudes are looking at it like this.

Oh, yo ass only had 600 yards for 40 catches.

Like they're going to make him.

they're going to they're going to add his his value is going to be on his numbers we know that he didn't get any worse he's still that dude he can still be making you you know what I'm saying, like 1500 yards.

We know if he gets the opportunities.

So he's kind of looking at it like, I want to be helping the team.

I know that we can,

I can get us jumpstart.

Like he's not, I don't feel like he's trying to be negative, but at the end of the day, he knows he can affect the game and help the team out.

So he wants to be more effective.

He wants to help the squad.

And at the end of the day, you got to get your numbers when you know when you're trying to get back to that table.

So they can't just.

When did they pay him?

Did they pay him yet?

Oh, yeah, they paid him.

much what did he get when did they pay him i mean i can't say exactly but i know he getting i know he getting paid he up there he getting probably i'm around 30 i think he's getting around 30 a year

so

he's knowing that end of the day he has to keep those numbers keep performing he knows he can do it he's not trying to take away from the team but i he just wants he just wants to help you know what i'm saying and he knows that if his numbers aren't looking good it's not all about the numbers but when you get to that table as a wide receiver

it's a lot about the numbers.

As a wide receiver, you know,

at that position, I understand his frustration.

He only got, you know, 14 pass, I think 151 yards or something like that, 28 targets.

And

that's not really good.

But you got to look at it, like you said, you're 4-0.

I mean, they only averaging 138 yards pass in a game.

Understand his current pace.

He's looking at what, 640 yards, 64 touchdowns.

Maybe he got like a yards and catch incentive since he's already paid.

But

who, you know, who knows?

But I think it's a better way for him to like deal with this.

And like putting out tweets and all that is not it, unless he tried to deal with it on the inside and it's not working.

But again,

ooh, you're, you're, you're 4-0.

And, you know, he says when they're struggling, you know, you know, he wants to be da-da-da-da.

I mean, every team struggles throughout the period of game, but you ain't struggled enough to even lose a game yet.

So, you know,

like I said, to be coming out,

you know, with the cryptic tweaks after

you're four and oh, I

understand, but I don't understand, you know, on his side, I can understand because he's a player.

He, you know,

he's a person that has to do what's best for him or get what's best for him to be able to get the numbers so that he can maximize all the benefits that he's looking for and then you know as a coach sitting back like yo we're doing what's necessary to win we're 4-0 like you know what are we talking about that's like me you know screaming and and and hollering that you know hey man i ain't got no sex we ain't you know whatever we ain't listen we playing you know whatever it may be and we don't need to because we're we're we're four and oh and i don't yeah i don't understand

it gets it gets to it gets to a numbers game and especially especially at the big numbers

receiver like you're not going to make no pro bowl no all pro with these numbers and those are your things when you trying to go haul when you're trying to make your career and trying to make a statement for yourself it's like oh what happened this joint you had 40 catches with 650 yards ah that's not haul that's not hall of fame uh activity you know i'm saying so when you trying to create your resume as a player and just not all like when we say this numbers don't okay so tell me this bro tell me this Yo,

if you were playing receiver as a receiver,

would you rather go

for

fifteen hundred yards

six years straight,

or would you go for under a thousand for six straight, but you get two Super Bowls?

I'm going to go with

I'm gonna go with the Super Bowls but Debo I'm gonna go with the Super Bowls I'm about to go with the Super Bowls if I was a receiver

all you gotta do is look behind me I know I see I see yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm just saying you know for me yeah yeah yeah personally you know what would you do

1500 1500 or

900 and two super here's the crazy thing dude I've asked guys this question.

Would you

go in and make

double what you made over your career,

but

have no Super Bowls

or make half of what you made over your career, but have Super Bowls?

Here's the crazy thing.

The guys

that never

went to a Super Bowl or won won a Super Bowl, most of them take the money.

The guys that went to a Super Bowl

and didn't win a Super Bowl

would take the Super Bowl.

And guys like me, who have Super Bowls, went to the Super Bowls, won and lost.

I'm keeping my Super Bowls.

I don't need to double my

net.

Don't need to double the nugget.

Respect.

Yeah, for sure.

I ain't never had one.

So

I'm going to double my bag.

Yeah,

I don't understand it.

Like, and like you said, you just signed, what was it?

Three year, 96 million, 84 million guarantee just last year.

Like that's AJ Brown's contract.

Receiver guarantee period.

I'm talking about Brown.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I told you.

I knew he got the bag.

Like, you got the bag.

Like,

okay, let's start tripping maybe

after

this year maybe next year like yeah because you still got three years that's the part too you in the guarantee

you in the guarantee

you're in the guarantee situation right now for the first this year 30 to the good guaranteed okay so we ain't got to even worry about nothing 84 out of 90

another 30 something to the good hey we ain't got to worry about oh contract see that hey listen we coming up on that last year now let's hey i need need coming up on that last year

i need 12 1500 now 12 1500.

dude you hear me i need 12 1500

for sure

right now though when you making that good money you're chilling your team's winning right now she got two years he could really be on some chill chilling because that guarantee is coming in you know you want it to be good so just

that

get you another get you another two super bowls

you know and you coming up on that last one.

You now, hey, I gotta eat.

I got,

I got to, I got to

eat.

Like, we gotta eat time.

That ain't the case.

Like, that ain't the case.

That guaranteed up, you know.

It's time for me.

I mean, do I gotta slide?

And at the same time, too, Eagles, they're paying him 30-some million dollars to not even go too crazy.

So, I'm like, you, I mean, don't

pay you and they're using you how they're using you.

They're not blaming you.

They're not blaming you.

You ain't, you can't, you got 84 guarantee.

You can't go nowhere for the next two years at least.

Let's let's chill, sit back,

go get your catches in practice, get all that,

you know.

You young, bro.

Get your jugs on, man.

Just make sure them things is ready.

Just get the jug machine going, and you're going to be solid while you collect.

Yeah,

for sure.

Yeah.

Jump down here to Miami, man.

That that uh tua said that he is now focused on carbs and fluids to avoid concussions where what do you think of that like what's your what's your take on that you believe that's i mean i know fluids yes definitely because you can't be dehydrated i understand

i understand the carbs too because like your basic like your brain basically needs some form of glucose like good carbs not bad carbs not all that artificial refined stuff you know what i'm saying and that's why some people who

do like low-carb or no-carb diets, they get what you call like, it's like, ah, come on, why is this taking so long?

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Brain fog.

You know,

your brain needs some sort of some sort of, what do they call it?

Cerebral, cerebral, cerebral, cerebral glucose.

So it helps to, you know, be able to some people and like it's for individual individually too.

Like, I know I can function on no carps.

I'm used to doing it.

I've been able to do it.

Some people, they can't function, dude.

They can't, they can't remember where they, you know, where they set their keys, you know, two, two minutes after they drop them down.

Um, another thing is neck strength, dude.

A lot of people don't understand this, dude.

Neck strength is one of the mitigating factors for concussion.

The stronger your neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion.

Like, that's something I used to always have a four-way neck, you're not doing here, here, here, all that.

Yes, yes, yes, neck circumference, all that, all that, all that you know.

As

because when you get, but when you get a lot of them concussions, too, when they hit their back hitting and head just snap back to the ground, you got that your neck strong as shit.

Your head ain't just going all over, and they'll just pop.

You, you get

that.

Like, even when I was doing the show, uh, wrestling, um,

uh, heels,

you get slammed on the mat, what you're taught to do is slap like this.

So when you hit, you slap with your hands, but you hold your head up.

So it's boom, your head eventually goes back, but it's not that,

you know, where you just bamming it on there.

You're not just whipping it to the game.

You're not just whipping it to the joint.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So neck strength is a big thing.

And I understand the carbs.

Hydration, of course, you know, it helps.

If you really want to work on your concussions, bro, go in there, getting that four-way neck, all the neck exercise that you can get to strengthen your neck.

Yeah, no, no bullshit.

That's definitely going to help his ass.

I didn't know about the carbs, though.

I didn't know about the carbs that could really help out.

Yeah,

everybody's different.

You know what I'm saying?

Everybody's body's different.

Some people can function without them.

Some people can't.

Some people, you know, figure out how to.

It's just, it's up to, you know, it's in each individual.

You know, one.

One thing don't, you know, work the same for everybody.

That's why it's not effects from here to there.

and then some people don't get none, you know.

That's um

shit goes differently with different people.

Yeah, yeah, you had concussion before because I know I had a couple.

I had um,

well, you know, when they considered ringer, dingers, dingers, all that, that's oh, no, I'm talking about them real joints, the real were you out?

Like, I had real one, you know what I'm talking about.

Boy, you went to sleep for a second.

Yeah, I had, I had one more rookie year when I

was in, I was actually playing in Detroit, dude.

It was my rookie year.

It was the first time I think Clark Hagins had got

hurt.

So I had to play like a whole bunch of that.

I had to do kickoff, kickoff, return.

So I played like three quarters, dude.

And I remember the tight end coming across blind on him.

And next thing I know, they out there like, hey, hey, you good?

I'm like, what y'all doing out here?

I'm like,

it's like, he was out.

I was like, I wasn't out.

I just hit the tight.

What is she talking about?

They're like, no, you wasn't.

I'm like, dude, I wasn't out, man.

What y'all talking about?

So, I watched.

Well, it didn't even have it on the game copy.

So, you know, you go over to the sideline.

They say, Okay, um, you know, what's today?

Yeah, you got a chance.

Hey, it's Sunday.

They're like, Yeah, I'm like, All right, cool.

I mean, I remembered everything that that wasn't the issue.

And like, you know, the next series, I'm back in, you know, now you're done.

You know, oh, you was definitely, oh, for sure.

And then I had one in

Cincinnati when I was in Cincinnati, bro.

So I go and this one I didn't remember, but I know I lost track of time somewhere, but I played the whole time.

So I go and I hit,

it was Katry.

I bombed on him, right?

Woo!

Right.

So I get up and I'm talking.

And

I remember going to the next play.

And then.

I don't remember nothing after that until I'm standing on the sideline, bro.

and i'm standing on the sideline and we playing in pittsburgh and i'm with cincinnati and

i hear

you know the crowd like just start off quiet and loud

and i and as i started coming to i look and i'm like i'm on the sideline and they

They must have just scored because it's a whole nother like, like 14 points on the board or something, right?

I don't know what done happened.

And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my God, I think I got a concussion.

So now

we know,

you know, the side effects of concussion and all that.

And I'm sitting there and I'm like,

oh,

I just missed some parts of this game.

I don't know how much football I done missed, right?

But I'm standing on the sideline, bro.

That's a scary feeling.

That's a scary feeling.

I'm like, do I.

I'm like, do I tell them?

I don't remember.

Do I have a?

And then now, like I said, we got the knowledge.

and i'm like

nah i'm like they ain't paying me like that they ain't worth my life i'm like yo i got a concussion bro like what i'm like yes i'm like i don't remember nothing from the time

brother i you tell her that i just came to i just came i'm standing on

bro and i just came to

man i played like four or five more snaps.

They ended up scoring.

And then it was like a punt or something.

And they was returning the punt for a touchdown and that's what woke me up as i was standing on the sideline bro that was the most scariest ever what was yours like bro mine was the kind of the same i had one and it was in the ravens game bro i was going to go get a tackle and dude was blocking me and had my arm and i couldn't put my hand down my head just boom busting to the ground same way all of the sudden I just see people, Joe, you good?

You good?

You good?

I'm thinking this just right, like, like it happened.

And then I just opened my eyes.

It's probably been a good minute.

You know what I'm saying?

And I'm looking around.

Everybody, nobody's.

I'm like, oh, shit.

Walk me off to the sideline, go to the back, get to ask me what date it was.

Same thing you said, D.

Below, Sunday.

I don't know the number of people.

You gotta know it's Sunday.

22nd, bitch, it's Sunday.

We're in Baltimore for sure.

Yeah, didn't remember.

They kept my ass out of there, but that was my worst one.

You had more than one that was out, out.

I had two.

I had two.

What was the other one?

The other one.

Nigga, that's the crazy part.

I'm trying to remember the other one.

You still?

I'm still concussed from that joint.

Bro, that ain't funny.

Let me stop laughing, bro.

Man, listen, man.

I don't know why we laugh at this, man.

I don't know.

That's the day.

You know what?

We got to stop laughing.

We're laughing.

You're laughing to stop us.

Yeah, you got to laugh, keep from crying sometimes.

For sure.

Yeah, that's that's something I be the game.

They say the uh new kicking ball procedures have drastically changed field goals

toy bow says long field goals are about the

terminator about the terminal

terminator what the hell i can't read that it's about like kickers

terminator like kickers like the motherfucker not the kicking balls

what is going on with these kicking balls what's what i don't know what's what's listen so what's going on i think what's coming down is they're letting them do the kicking balls now like they do the game balls you know how you get a game ball and you grab it fresh out the box it's slick as cat you can't grab yes yes like so they're letting them scrub the balls up to condition them so you could grip them well i can't before with the kicking balls they just used a new ball you had no

basically grip on it so they let them you weren't able to do it like the quarterbacks do yes yes so i don't i don't see a i don't see an issue with it dude I think they're just,

don't get me wrong, they're, they're being able to, we can, you see a whole lot of long field goals now, but

I think

you would get that before if you just like, that's like trying to catch a brand new ball out the box, dude.

You're not going to catch one of those brand new balls out the box

without gloves on.

It's no way.

Like they're actually, they're slippery.

They're not just like they're not just they're slippery for real.

That's that and it's like it's it feels like it's almost like a a coating over the the material ball some somewhat like i don't know what it is but if you don't if you don't have time to work with those brush them up get them in like they're coming so that's all that they're doing all that they're doing is massaging the dang that was about to be crazy massaging yeah all they're doing is uh damn how do you say that without being crazy all they do is massaging the the footballs that's it like the quarterbacks do

i was like oh my goodness i'm sounding crazy how do i say this they're massaging the football yeah so you're basically getting it like the way the quarterbacks do it though like they're not taking no air out they're not putting no air in they're just literally massaging the slickness off the ball right right oh well

that's too bad then coach they go there that's that's a that's a regular ball you just got the got the right amount of pi air in it let them boot the joint right you got you got you got the air you're supposed to have in it

like it don't make no sense.

Some people like to wear new shoes every game.

Some guys like to break their shoes in during the week and then wear them, you know, in the game.

That's, you know, preference.

That's that's preference.

But for this, that's not preference, dude.

If you told them they couldn't do nothing with a ball that was

just fresh out the box, they had to play with brand new balls that weren't worked in, weren't conditioned into

it.

The game would look totally different.

You know what?

They want points.

I'm tripping.

I don't even know what I'm tripping on.

I should have knew this.

They want points.

They want more field goals, more points.

So they let them condition the balls.

I don't see a problem with it.

You're not doing anything, you know, illegal.

You're not deflating or hyper-inflating the ball.

You got to have it at a certain, you know.

So I don't.

Yeah, I don't.

Because if somebody, if I don't think if anybody, I don't know if anybody touched the, like, make sure they get the Duke, the fresh Duke NFL football, fresh out of the pack.

That's you, that's impossible to play.

You can't play with that ball.

So like instantly, everybody, every team I've been on, all quarterbacks want to either like a certain type,

they want their footballs to feel.

So you gotta, every, I've never seen a quarterback use a football fresh out of the pack and just bring it to the practice field.

That doesn't, that, that, that, never seen it before.

Yeah, so previously.

teams got three brand new kicking balls within 30 to 90 minutes before a given uh game started.

So as of 2025, teams get all 60 kicking balls to start the year with unlimited time to break them in.

Then each can use up to three a game.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

I mean, I'm not mad at that at all.

I just think that this is going to obviously back up that line.

So, how do you make sure that it's oh, they got numbers on them?

I'm tripping.

Yep, they got numbers on them.

They locked in.

They locked in.

They got numbers on them.

So you can only use three.

You get all of them.

Can you reuse them?

But that's the crazy part.

No, you can't reuse them.

You gotta, you gotta use the three.

So that makes sense why they be trying to get them damn kicking balls back so bad.

Like if the drink goes into the stands, they're trying to go get that.

Because I'm like, you only got three.

I guess each one can be used in three games.

So

each one can be used in three games?

yeah.

It can be used up to three games.

So basically, I could take

three balls and I could use them for those three games.

And then you got to switch them out.

Then you got to switch them out.

Because he said they get 60 of them.

Yeah, they said they get 60 balls to kick

or they get 60 balls, you know, at the start of the year that are the kicking balls with unlimited time to break them in.

Then each team can use up to three again, three

can use up to

yeah

then each can be used up to three times a game up to three games sorry three games so each ball can be used

for

three games total

perfect yep our own coaches he the eagles the eagles i tell you what it don't matter what kind of ball they put on the ground for me i can't kick that sonbit so it ain't it

it don't matter you gotta have the skill you gotta have a skill for sure and i think man they the eagles dc you might like hope hopefully your kick is making sure his ball is perfect so he can boot that thing 60 yards

definitely

they get mad they ain't got a good hey they is they is firing off on them balls but back in the day

didn't they

Nah.

Back in the day, they had a nigga shaped ball, didn't they?

Little

round.

You talking about back in the day, you talk about with leather helmets?

Yeah.

Probably.

But back in the day, Debo, we only had to guard the 35-yard line.

That's what I was taught at first, the guard of 35.

Now, nigga, got a damn to guard the 50.

Because as soon as they pass half, they can kick the field goal from there.

Hey, if you got a good field goal kicker, bro.

Oh, yeah.

Dangerous.

Yes.

Yes.

Like, like this dude, this one dude, this one dude, he's, he's like the coldest field roll kicker, man.

Like, um,

bank roll, boss.

Boss.

Bank roll.

Come on.

Bank roll.

Hey, look.

Ain't no hit him right here.

You know, I love bank roll.

Yeah.

Hey.

You got lucky, man.

You got lucky.

I made him the greatest kicker alive, man.

You went out, man.

I told that boy, if he missed that field, he go wash my back in that shop.

You scared him to greatness.

I scared him to greatness.

Hey, you welcome baby

hey i don't even need no thank you no appreciation you know what i'm saying

it ain't i don't need it man but we hey between you and me and everybody else in the world now we know we know he knows you who you are

okay good old bank roll

bank roll ball

man

game we got we got we got we got some money here we got some donations here rudy

ten dollar

thank you we appreciate you thank you thank you thank you always he said what's up from heath miller country well hey that's down there va ain't it

heath miller ain't that heath miller ain't heath miller from va i think so okay okay he said let's go blitzberg love you guys joe and nine two

from swords creek va i told you it was va you did

i'm good like that, bro.

Appreciate it.

You good like that?

I knew it.

Okay, geographical.

Geographical Debo.

Yeah, you know, I do what I could do when I could do it.

But, you know, when I can't do it, I still do it.

You still do it.

And you know, I'm going to come.

You know, me.

I'm in good old London.

Brown's about to go ahead and get it done, though, somehow.

Hey, don't, don't, don't, don't mess around out there and get popped by the same team.

We just,

okay.

What they about to do?

Say, tell

me what they about to do because you there with them you talking to them I ain't got to say you ain't got to say oh they said he said just tell me what you say they about to do to the Vikings this right here is what Joe is saying the Browns are going to do to the Vikings run it they ain't come all this way just to come this way

We came out here to whoop ass and take names.

That's all I got to say about that.

That's it.

That's all you got to say.

Hey,

Vikings, Browns came out there to whoop y'all ass and put y'all names on their list.

I just want y'all to know that Joe Hayden said that.

This

we here for a good time, not a long time.

They've been here for two weeks.

They're getting all chilled.

They eating all these crepes and grapes.

Get out of here.

Crepes and grapes.

What about the, don't they got tea somewhere in London?

Yeah, they got tea too.

And get out of here.

We ain't come for none of that.

We came to whoop some ass and go home.

A crumpet, appetite, a chip.

A crumpet.

A chip.

A chip, a two.

Listen,

Chikas is pissed off.

They done lost.

They done had to stay out there almost two weeks.

Yes.

They mad.

Listen.

They about to stump a mud hole in y'all ass and walk across.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm going to see your bass on Monday, boy.

I want that same energy.

They about to stump a mud hole in the energy.

I want that same energy.

Look here, baby.

We want to thank you guys for joining us.

Oh,

Debo and Joe.

And I want y'all to go watch Vikings stump a mud hole in the Browns ass.

Would y'all

like and subscribe to our channel?

We will be back at it on Monday.

Be here Monday.

Make sure you like and subscribe.

Make sure you like and subscribe.

I got something for Debo.

Oh, you got something?

He got something for Debo.

Joseph

from London.

What you got to say, Joe?

I got to say, watch the Browns will ask.

Make sure you like and subscribe to the Debo and Joe show.

We will see you Monday.

I got something for Debo.

Ask when the Browns whoop the Viking.

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