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despite the Raiders losing to the Bears 25-24, Aston Genty had his best game after bringing back his iconic Mike Myers stance.

It seems his head coach Pete Carroll loved it.

Since high school, Genty has stood straight up with his hands by his side in the backfield before the snap.

However, during the Raiders' offseason, the coaching staff demanded Genty switch to a traditional running back stance, Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genti to change.

It bent knee game.

During his first three games, Genty struggled to get going.

He averaged 3.1 yards a carry on 47 carries.

Since changing back to that stance yesterday, he recorded 155 total yards, 138 of those on the ground, three touchdowns, two receiving, one rushing.

After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel good standing in the backfield.

So that's how I'm going to play.

Ocho, we've heard

a lot of players that's played under Chip Kelly in the NFL like, hey,

it's like his way.

I'm trying to figure out what does

that stance have to do with your coaching style?

It's all about control with him.

It's all about control with him.

That man's been standing like there.

It's kind of like a quarterback, Ocho, that's taken, and Johnny talked about it, say he only took about six snaps his whole career prior to getting to the NFL under center.

This man has been playing like this.

you took him in as a top 10 pick in the draft and now you get it and now you want to change everything about him

why i mean the whole point of you drafting as high is based on everything he does not not the production but why change what makes him comfortable that's like you drafting receiver very high and trying to change him on how you stand how you run routes like what what are we doing Coach him.

That's it.

Let him do what he does.

He's not giving you any indication in which way he's going by standing straight up none that's what he likes that's his style and plus oh cho the man all oh cho you you put him in a conventional stand how the hell he gonna see you might as well put him in a down stance he already five six yeah you put him in

now he five two yeah the man stand up so he can just scan the field and i think he wears a shield so it's not like you can see his eyes and see where he's going yeah i mean it's all it's all about control with him man that that that stance wasn't bothering anybody nobody at all at all just as just to say just to have your imprint on something oh the coach and like i said pete carroll should have said hey

pete should have went to uh chip said nah chip we're gonna leave that stance just like it is

yeah yeah i'm i'm glad i'm glad he went back to doing what he liked and it's funny as soon as he goes back to doing what he liked he has a game like he did even though they did lose even though they did lose right but that but i've asked that look if that's what's going to make him comfortable locho running out of that stance yeah most of the time hey coaches are very superstitious.

If you need a special meal, if you need something, they make sure you have that.

Right.

Yeah, absolutely.

They're going to make sure you have that.

That man's that stance rushed for over 2,000 yards, what, 2,500, 2,600 yards last year?

And now all of a sudden he gets there.

How does that impact your play calling?

Because he's standing up like that.

Does it force you to call plays differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance?

No.

It's okay not to have, see,

I don't fault him.

I fought

Pete Carroll for allowing it.

Because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator.

Pete Carroll is the head coach.

And I've seen head coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did.

No, let him do that.

Because at the end of the day, what if

I want you to play your absolute best.

If standing up in that stance, it's like, oh, like you said, a receiver.

Some coaches, if you're on one side, whatever side you're on, okay, i want your right if you're on the right side i want your right leg back if you're on the left side i want your left leg back man go man leave me the f alone yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

is i used to play i used to play with my stands and i i i really love the fact that at times i was given the freedom to change things because you know they watch film yes

skinny it's always the same place if the ball is in the middle you inside add to the numbers if the ball's on the left hash you outside add to the numbers so i used used to play with my splits a lot oh you had you yes yes so i would play with my splits a lot so people wouldn't know what i was doing because it's always on film so i would just add stuff into the offense but i would always end up in the same place at the right time i got to be there right and that's what it's that's what it comes down to you know hey sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta run a a a a a slant yeah

You got to switch it up.

You got to run.

You can't.

Hey, man, he tight.

Yeah.

Well, hell, they're going to know.

Sometimes you got to, hey, man, I'm going to have to bust it, but I can't keep lining up in this tight split and running this shallow.

Or I can't keep running this tight split and running this speed out because they're going to pick up on that.

Like you said,

they study film.

They study your foot placement.

They study your alignment.

They study, okay.

Oh, oh.

He always, he normally always have this foot back.

Yeah.

When he have this foot back,

here come that bang.

So now you put that foot back and you run the out

because he's gonna be looking to drive the bang.

The same thing that we do when we see a linebacker and he staggering, he switches his stance.

Oh, you come, man, you coming.

You ain't finna drop in no coverage.

Man, sharp, how you know?

Don't worry about it.

I'll tell you after the game.

I ain't finna tell you.

I ain't finna tell you not so you can change it up.

But yeah,

let the young man, let the young man prosper.

And if that's what's going to help him be his absolute best, take off, son.

Hey,

you want to eat spaghetti for a pre-game?

Take off.

If you want to, hey, me, I was a French toast,

oatmeal guy.

That's what I had, and a banana.

That's what my pre-game was.

Now, I ate pasta the night before the game, but some people like pasta in steak before the game.

I don't like that oat.

That's too heavy.

That's too heavy.

I need to be light.

I need that stuff to be out of my system by the time I get to the game.

But yeah, I think Chip Kelly was trying to do too much for that.

That was totally unnecessary because now let the guy

succeed.

Ocho, Malik Neighbors towards ACL on Sunday at Matt Life Stadium, ending the season, joining a growing list of players who've suffered major ACL

Achilles injuries in that stadium.

Nick Bosa in 2020, Solomon Thomas in 2020, Jabril Preppers in 2021, Wandell Robinson in 2022, Sterling Shepard in 2022, Kyle Fuller in 2022, Aaron Rodgers in 23, Malik Neighbors in 2025.

This morning, NFLPA interim executive director David White met with the Giants and raised concerns with the playing surface per Jonathan Jones.

David White pre-planned visit to Giants today, according to the union sources, while he met with Giants players and John Maher and raised the issues surrounding MetLife Stadium's turf history.

White also shared the union's best interests, best wishes to Mara with his recent cancer diagnosis announcement.

More than 90% of the players have expressed a preference for natural grass than surveys and have continued to ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for FIFA next year.

Ocho, now you see what, OJO, you see,

Ocho, what are they putting in all these stadiums that the World Cup is coming to?

What are they putting in there, Ocho?

Tell the people home.

Yeah, listen,

you know, especially an event of this magnitude, soccer is only played once you cross out the states, it's only played on grass.

Not just any grass.

I'm talking about that beautiful, beautiful, very

Bermuda.

That they be looking like Augusta National, huh?

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

So

I understand.

I understand the players' gripes, obviously, about the turf, about the grass.

I mean, they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass.

I think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure.

Yeah, it's hard.

It's hard to.

It's hard.

Now,

that would be an issue.

So I remember when playing the Steelers, having a messed up feel for them.

Oh, yeah.

November, late December, it was an advantage.

It was the advantage of them having to have a bad feel.

So, I mean, if.

And plus the thing is,

you know, the biggest problem?

NFL games aren't the only thing that's played in that stadium.

You tear your grass up.

You have college games, you have concerts.

So when Beyonce comes or you have motocross and you have all these other things that's played in there, you need something that can stand up because it's hard to pay for a stadium when you just use it half the year.

So that stadium is getting used year-round, especially obviously now, you know, New York, you can't have me, they're probably not having outdoor events.

But let's just say for the sake of argument, like Jerry's World.

See, Jerry figured it out.

Guess what they have there, Ocho?

Everything.

college football playoffs boxing uh uh he's trying to get the uh the the uh oklahoma texas the red river rivalry he's trying to get that there national championship games are being played they're play they're doing other things they're having concerts they're having boxing events they're having other things so that's how you make money by having these venues and it gets hard

Real grass is hard to care for.

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

It's really hard to care for.

I mean, it is literally, I mean, we used to have a real grass and mile high with some synthetic sewn in.

But man,

Ross was on it.

I'm talking about, as a matter of fact, he used to work at the Broncos facility.

They took him and he especially now he's in charge of that down there.

He don't do the Broncos stuff.

Man, they cutting that grass every day.

They measuring the temperature, how much water.

Okay, we gave it to A.

They kept the sprinklers on, oh Joe, for 10 minutes as opposed to 15.

They cut it we cut it too low it might burn oh man there's a science to that stuff yeah yeah

but you know look at at the end of the day

i think they'll sit down i think they'll come to some type of resolution that's like okay what is in the best interest because we're hurting the product uh guys are getting injured um you're gonna have to convince you're gonna have to be able to show them because you know the nfl gonna have their doctors and say see there there isn't a rise ocho i'm trying trying to,

if you're trying to save money, I ain't trying to install grass and then have to install it every three weeks.

Basically, it's what you're going to have to do.

Because I think Houston and the Cardinals have that roll-up grass.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh, you're rolling palace out.

And then when it's up, they roll them back up.

So it's going to be interesting to see

what comes of this.

I don't know what's going to come of this, but it just goes to show you that there is some concern from the PA standpoint.

Because these are some big names, though.

These ain't just, you know,

willy-nilly players.

And

we'll see.

Like you said,

I just believe the

owners are like, man, look here.

For the World Cup

to put us, you know, and

the influx of money that's going to be brought into the community.

Economy?

Hey, Hey, um,

you understand how big well you yeah, I do.

Why you why you think everybody in America, everybody in their mama tried to bid on it?

Hey, hell, I think Atlanta got it.

I think Atlanta got something going on there, but the Mercedes, Mercedes-Benz, though.

Atlanta, Miami, LA, Mexico, Kansas City, Canada, Kansas City.

God, doggy.

Somewhere it's a few more.

It's a few more.

I'm going to be at all of them.

I'm I'm going to be at all of them.

I'm excited.

You go away?

Remember,

I worked with Fox.

Yeah.

I was at it for a whole month.

So I'm doing the same thing again.

I can't wait.

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I can't wait.

You can't wait for what?

So what do you think?

You think they're going to switch the turf or they're going to leave it as is?

Probably leave it as is because it's too much work.

It's too much work on there.

And

it's the kind of work that's going to cost more.

They're trying to cut costs.

Yeah, my point exactly.

It's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out because, like I said, look.

They're studying it now.

I don't know how much they studied when every, I mean, because before this this field turf, Ocho, you either had natural grass or you had artificial turf.

There was no field turf.

And then they like this field turf.

Okay, this field turf is more durable.

You don't have to care for it like you do regular grass.

It's durable so you can play multiple events on it.

You can have multiple things on it.

Concerts.

So you could have a concert.

You could have a concert on Saturday night and the thing will be on Friday night and it'll be ready on Sunday.

You know what I liked about the turf though?

With that?

The fact that it didn't matter if it was raining.

It didn't matter if it was cold.

It didn't matter if it was hot.

It didn't matter if there was snow on the ground.

I was still able to run full speed and stop on a dime because it's not giving.

It's not going nowhere.

And

I could feel every step.

I like that.

Not that I have any, nothing wrong with grass, but I just like the fact that is obviously the shoes I wore on Unc was like a track spike with no cushion, no sole, no nothing.

It was just the shell of a shoe and a shoelace.

So just being able to feel, to me, I feel it's much faster playing on that turf.

I like grass, but I mean, I like grass on your, but you know what?

I didn't slip because I was a heavy planter.

And I made sure, you know, I was always, I always, you know, a lot of times you start slipping when you start, I'm like, bro, there's a reason why you only got four spikes in the back and you got seven, eight in the front so put your damn weight on the front of your on the balls of your feet not on your heels that's why you slip it like

that should be common sense dumb dumb yeah hey and another reason i like it is i was i was so unorthodox in some of the stuff i did um i could be running the out route you know the out route your out route is on your seven step right yeah seven step with your outside foot

the out route and take an extra step because i can get the 12 so so fast and do it, run it outright off my left foot.

So let me ask you a question.

Did y'all 10 roll the 12 or you 12 roll to 14?

I would always go, I'd always go from, it's you're supposed to roll from 10 to 12.

Yeah.

I would get the 12 because, you know, I can plant that one foot and just flip right away.

You plant on your inside foot?

No, I can my right foot.

Yeah.

Listen, I'm talking about one foot.

You plant on your right foot if you're on the left side.

You plant on your left foot if you're on the right side.

but i can do i could do it in one motion because if you got a good db i'm talking about a really good db that said you know what i'm not moving i'm not finna sit i'm gonna read the quarterback the first three steps and i'm gonna get my eyes back on you and that roll if you rolling from 10 to 12 he driving and if the ball ain't perfect it's going the other way so i'm not going to give you no chance i'm getting to 12 and i'm going to make sure you getting up out of there are you see are you going are you going right down the middle or are you trying to pick a shoulder no i'm staying right down the middle.

I'm staying right down the middle.

Yep.

Because if I weave, a good dude's just going to weave right with you.

He's just going to reset everything.

So I don't want to give you no indication.

I want to just, I'm going to stay in a straight line, get you to open.

If you open, boom, I'm snapping off.

And

you're going to play ball.

All right, without me.

You got to get him out of that back pedal.

Look, now they'll call it.

If you run into the guy, now he's standing there and don't want to move, you run into him, they're going to call it now.

Right, right, right.

Whereas before, they wouldn't call that because he's like, he's entitled to that ground also.

Yep, so is.

Well, he's entitled to that spot.

But, you know,

I'm trying to get him to open up also.

Yeah.

I'm trying to get him to open.

But for the most part, the last thing they want to do is they don't want you to step on their toes.

They don't want you to step on their toes.

Because they know if you step on their toes, it's over for the nine ball.

It's a rap.

It's over for the nine ball.

Hey, and the last thing you want to do is hey, and I'll be you, hey, Ocho, you know, you got to be you coming at me like you think.

I'm like, oh, he ain't coming to this nine ball.

Look at it running.

Hey, no.

I ain't going to dig.

I was playing my bad, my bad.

I ain't mean to dig.

I didn't mean to dig that hard to get you to open up, but I had to get you out of that back parallel.

I had to make you move.

Because if he doesn't move, Ocho, oh, he's going to, oh, he's going to drive that.

Driving on it.

Oh, he's driving that.

And especially, it all depends on how tight you are.

Because he knows if you tighten the outball.

Oh,

you want some space to run the out, huh?

Uh-huh.

Cleveland Browns have announced that their third-round pick, Dylan Gabriel, will start Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings in London.

When asked about

Gabriel getting the starting job, it was literally,

it literally left Shador speechless.

Ocho, let's take a listen to the sound.

Yeah, yeah, let me hear that thing.

What do you think you have to show, you know, show to some coaches just to

have them have that belief in you that you can y'all be ready?

What game you say?

I'm just saying.

How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys like development to this point?

Man, y'all money.

Oh, Joe, do you like the way Shador handled this press conference?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words.

if you say nothing

you know there's really wait um on any other team there are 31 other other uh quarter excuse me there are 31 other teams do any of those media members talk to the third string quarterback no

oh it's it's it's controversy why create controversy how do you not create it by when they ask you questions just don't answer you just don't answer if anything they should be talking to joe flacco why are you talking to shadur

i mean it makes no sense and i like the way he handled it because anything he does say, they're going to make it a big deal.

They're going to twist his words.

They're going to take it completely out of context.

Listen, Dylan Gabriel's a starter.

So be it.

For me, I mean, it's being reported.

Adam Schefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show, that keep your mouth closed, move to the front of the class, and X, Y, and Z.

Okay, I like that.

I like that.

I guess this was a situation where he's like, okay, I should keep my mouth shut.

I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

It's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father,

obviously, he leans very heavily on his father, rightfully so.

His dad has been through things like this

where, you know, he says something and then it.

If he says something, it's one thing.

If he doesn't say something, it's another thing.

So he took this approach.

Look,

he's not just any

other quarterback, any other third string quarterback.

No.

You and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did, we wouldn't even be having it.

If he was any normal fifth round pick, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

But he's not a fifth round pick.

So we shouldn't

ask him to act like a fifth round pick because that's not what we believe he is.

For me, look.

If he'd have taken the pro said, look, I'm happy for Dylan.

Hopefully he goes out there and plays well.

Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but you know, this is the game of football.

This is a business.

And, hey,

I'm just, you know, I'm happy for Dylan and my job doesn't change.

I go out there, I prepare.

And if my time, if my number is called, I'm going to go out there and give it everything that I possibly got.

That's really the only thing that he can say, OJ.

What's he supposed to say?

Now,

it's a situation.

I'm not, you know, we had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me.

I said, guys, what are we doing?

Right.

Why?

Why is Joe Flacco here?

Yeah, we know.

Joe Flacco was in Cleveland once before and they let him go.

He was in Indy.

And he wasn't.

Let me get this straight.

He wasn't the answer the first time around in Cleveland.

He wasn't the answer in Indy.

He wasn't the answer at the Jets.

But now he's going to be the answer this time around.

Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012 when he went when he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl.

And that's it.

Go ahead, Ocho.

Nigga,

I don't think he he was the answer, huh?

He was more sure of the short term, the short, excuse me, the short-term answer until they're ready to see who's going to be quarterback number two.

We find out who quarterback number two was, and it was only a matter of time.

Same thing with Russell Wilson and Jackson Dart.

Russell Wilson was a starter.

He was a starter for a short time.

Like you said, eight weeks or maybe after.

I thought it would have been way.

I thought it'd been far beyond that.

But obviously, we see what happened.

They made a change after week three.

Same concept.

I knew he wasn't going to be there, being there too long.

And I mean, listen, Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback.

I wish him luck.

And

we're going to see.

To me, to be honest with you, I don't think he's the answer.

I don't think he's the answer.

And we're going to find out.

Listen, this ain't the preseason.

This ain't the preseason.

And the defenses that you're going to see now.

are going to be a lot more different than what you saw

during the preseason.

So

if he can handle the pressure, one of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel, it not only can he throw the ball, he showed that he can be efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat.

He can use his legs.

Similar to Jackson Dart.

I'm not saying Jackson Dart, but I'm just saying he had that dude threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball.

It's funny how we look at things.

Now,

Jameis Winston has a big personality.

He's a third string quarterback.

Everybody would have lied to Jameis had he did the exact same thing.

Right.

I mean, think about it, Ocho.

Yeah.

The funny things that he says and the mannerisms that he has.

Yes.

This is Jameis.

Yeah, absolutely.

But they have a problem with Shadur.

I don't know how Shadur wins.

If he says something, he shouldn't have said anything.

If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something.

Until he gets on the field and somebody can say, either, see, I told you he could play or I told you he couldn't play,

it's going to be a something, ocho that's just the way that's just the nature of what it is absolutely you know it's totally unfortunate too

if it was any fifth round pick he wouldn't be talked about like this no because this would come with that last name yeah absolutely this would come with the aura of being a sanders it just it is what it is obviously i feel the browns and organization zefansky obviously the owner himself came out and said this wasn't my pick this is not who i wanted so the odds are stacked against him the cards that he dealt he gonna have to do his best job is playing the hand that he has.

When that opportunity comes, if it does come, you got to come out.

You got to be prepared.

You got to be prepared.

And when you get it, you got to shut that door behind you.

I get it.

Look, people say, well, Jameis proved himself.

What?

That he's the journeyman quarterback.

He threw 30 picks.

He was the last quarterback in the NFL since you got to go back to test the verdict in the 80s.

They threw 30 interceptions.

So I'm trying to figure out what did he prove.

Did he take Tampa to the Super Bowl?

because all i know the team that he left tom brady came in the next year and they went to the super bowl

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Where would he have been?

Because where was he last year, Ojo?

Cleveland.

Cleveland.

Yeah.

He was in New Orleans before that.

Yeah.

All I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches.

We can, look, prove, prove.

Okay, fine.

I get your point.

Where he started in the league.

He was rookie of the year in the league.

You're absolutely correct.

But

there are a lot of guys that's proved they could.

Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league.

Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl.

He was a Super Bowl MVP we are go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers

I mean you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improve than Jameis

I was just saying the personalities when we like somebody Ocho we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't yeah see we like Jameis Jameis funny man y'all heard what Jame was saying Jame was funny yeah Jameis gonna have a career in media yeah James Jameis is one of one Jameis yes

there isn't another personality like him i think shador doesn't have that kind of personality um i think people just don't like shador based on the or what he comes with the name uh pops as well some of the things deon may have said in the past people that like dion so any any ill will toward deon and just overflowing onto his son as well um for me unk you ignore it especially as as as um as shador you ignore it you've been you've been prepared for this moment you've had the deal all your life.

Now it's come to a head.

You're at the last stop.

You've reached the pinnacle, your childhood dream of being on the NFL team.

You're not the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time if things don't go well.

You just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself.

And that's pretty much it.

All the noise, block all that out, man.

Block all that out.

It's just unusual

to see the starter get benched.

and

well i guess it's it's common because the when when russ got benched jackson dart came in to start and russell went to the backup right

so i guess it's not unusual as we might think it is you're like well hold on flacco got benched Shadua was already third.

Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back?

But that's seemingly not how they did it because Brian Dayball said that Jackson Dart would start the rest of the season and Russ will serve as his backup, and Jameis stays where Jameis is.

Yeah.

And

I don't,

I guess it's common.

I don't, I don't really know Ocho,

but it seemed like this is the same thing.

Joe Flacco lost his job.

The guy that was backing up, Joe Flacco, moves to the starter and Flacco moves to number two.

And the third quarterback stays exactly where he was.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think the thing is, until Shador gets on the field and proves or disproves

what the

Ocho is 50, I mean, want to play.

He's too cocky.

He's too this.

He does this and he does that.

The mannerism.

Until he's on the field,

until he plays,

the chatter, the noise is not going to stop.

No, it's not.

It's not.

Are you muted?

Me?

He ain't said nothing.

I can't hear him.

You can't hear me?

Oh, just me?

Yeah, that's you.

I'm talking to you.

Can you hear me now?

Hey, can you see my muscles?

You see my muscles?

Hey, chat, can you see my muscles?

Yeah.

Okay, there you go.

You got me now?

Yeah, I got you.

Go ahead.

That was me.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can hear you now.

But it's a situation, Ocho.

People want to see him succeed or they want to see him fail, but they want to see him on the field.

Yeah.

That's what it comes down to, Ocho.

I want to see him on the field and I want to see him sink or swim.

Right.

Yeah.

That's what it comes down to because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this or he shouldn't have been that.

Now he's going to either prove

a camp right or he's going to be proven wrong.

Right.

But they want to say, okay, we see now that's why he's led to the fifth round.

Man, I don't know how, y'all see how he's playing?

He should have never been in the sixth round.

I mean, the fifth round.

Right.

You don't know.

I'm sure he talked to his dad.

Yeah.

His dad's like, look, son, if it was me, you handle it.

You're your own guy.

You're your own man.

But

Rex said,

I don't know exactly.

I don't want to misquote, but I think he said something to the fact.

Why are you talking?

Because it's the same situation.

And here's where he's going to get beat up at.

If he doesn't go play in and he doesn't play well, Ocho, remember, he said he can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now.

That's what got LeBron in trouble with Bronny.

Bronnie was in high school or Bronny was in college.

And Braun said.

Bronnie is better than some NBA players currently.

You put a huge target.

Now, I get it.

When you tell your son, you know, you believe in your son and you should believe in your son.

But when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man,

you're asking for a lot of criticism.

Should we be surprised that he was named starter?

No, I mean, he was the number two.

It shouldn't be a surprise at all.

It shouldn't be a surprise at all.

He was, he, listen, Mr.

Fancy came out before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will be the number two quarterback.

I mean, that's what it is.

That's what it is.

So we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for Flacco, Dylan Gabriel would be the next man up.

Now, if things don't go well with Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's going to happen from that point on.

That, that, see, that's where I was going next.

Oh, you were.

You're right, Ocho, because it was reported that Gabriel was getting first-team reps along with Flacco if it's earliest training camp.

So he was getting first-team reps.

Flacco was getting first-team reps.

And who was the other quarterback?

Damn.

From the Steelers.

Kenny Pickett.

Yeah, Kenny Pickett.

Yeah, Pickett.

So those guys were getting first-team reps.

Shadura wasn't getting those reps.

So I agree.

We shouldn't be surprised.

The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles, now what do we do?

Do they go back to Flacco or they say, oh, do they give Shadur an opportunity?

You know what?

I'm not sure.

And

knowing the game, understanding the business and knowing how the business works.

I think they will probably go back to Flacco.

I think they will go back to Flacco.

And if things don't work out again and Flacco is still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shadura will get his shot somewhere on the back half of the season.

Ocho, let me ask you a question.

Talk to me.

If

you think Shadur knew what he knew now, you think he goes back to Colorado for his last year?

If he knew what he knew now, if he knows what he knows now, hindsight, yeah.

Probably so.

Probably so.

I think so too.

I would think think so.

But there's no possible way.

There's no possible way.

Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say, Ocho, he's not the first pick.

He's not a top five.

He's not a top 10.

Let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation.

Yeah.

Let's just say that he's not a first-round pick.

32 players going to be selected in the first round.

Ain't no way.

He thought he'd be a fifth round draft pick.

No, absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

Not at all.

And And some people listen, some people say, well, he wasn't that good.

He was mid.

Listen, he can play the quarterback position.

He can play the quarterback position.

He does, he does, he's not a dual threat, but what he lacks in his ability to run the ball, he makes up in other areas.

He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start.

on an NFL team.

And until he gets the opportunity to prove he can do just that, we're going to have have to wait and see.

He should apply

for a hardship for COVID.

Say, I want to go back and play.

You're right.

I mean, there's really no way to really know.

I mean, hell, I didn't, somebody would have told me I was going to be a self-ride draft pick.

I said, you out your damn mind.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was the number, I was the number one rated,

one of the number one rated players

below

Division I.

So I'm like, okay, I ain't going to go in the first round, but somebody tell me I'm not going to be a

third round, a top three round pick, man, please.

Let me tell you something, huh?

You've been around a long time.

I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works.

Anything they don't like about you before you get there, they will find a way to humble you.

They will find a way to humble you.

And when your opportunity does present itself, boy, you got to knock that goddamn door down and close it behind you because you're not going to get very many opportunities,

especially if they don't like you.

I would have, yeah, I would have,

I agree with you, Ocho, because my brother used to tell me all the time, I said, man, you know, I've been training camp, Ocho.

uh and i'll be like man i ain't i ain't getting no ref today or i'll be in practice you know once i made a team he said don't worry about it he said one day john elwick gonna call on you he said just make sure when he call your number, better be ready.

Got to be ready.

And I think the thing that really helped me, Ocho, is that he told me, he said, T, you can, you could, you could be good in this league.

He said, there ain't a whole lot of, there ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now.

He said, just keep working, you know, just keep working hard.

I don't know why that man took a liking to me.

I don't, Ocho.

I don't know why.

Right.

But I mean, for him and Gary Kubiak, Kubiak, Koo, was the backup when I was in different when I first got there in 1991.

Hey, Cool used to pull me to the side.

Now, that's when you know somebody really take a liking to you.

He pulled me to the side.

He's a, he would show me.

He's like, hey, now you're going to be in here on this, this, and this.

You know what you got?

Now, they're going to be in this coverage.

You run this.

You're going to be on that coverage.

You run that.

Oh, Joe, I'd be out there doing like I'm doing.

I'd be like, okay, good job.

Good job, Sharp.

Hey, you know what else?

You know what I'm saying?

They be like, oh,

they'll be like, good job, Sharp.

That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

That's what I'm talking about.

Getting your playbook.

Man, Cool told me everything.

Hey, you know what else, um?

When I think about it, when I think about some of the things the fancy said, when I think about some of the things the owner said, they bait me too a little bit too, um.

They bait me.

When you go to the army, when you go to the marines, when you go to the navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment.

What's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see if you red, if you're ready or you're worthy?

Or they're going to try to break you down.

Trying to break you.

They're trying to break him.

He cannot break.

You cannot fold.

You cannot lash out.

No, hell no.

I don't come this far.

Hell no.

You can't do none of that.

You got to stay the course.

You got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come.

Yeah.

It's definitely going to come.

Man, Ocho, look, I'm going to share this story with you.

I only share it at one time, and I shared it with when I spoke at Coach Reed's funeral.

I was the only

his wife called me and asked, Would I speak?

Now, you got to realize all the people that he played with.

Coach Reese played in the league, he played under Coach Landry.

All the coaches, he coached, he was off his coordinator with the Cowboys.

He was the head coach of the Broncos, he was the head coach of the Giants, he was the head coach of the Falcons.

He asked me to, she asked me to speak.

I didn't know

until like she told me.

But

she's like, Shannon, it'd be a huge honor if you were to speak at Dan.

I was like, I'm like, are you sure?

I was like, she's like, I'm sure.

She said, Shannon, you was always his favorite.

He said, you worked so hard.

He said he saw

how you came in and what you worked and turned yourself into.

He was just so proud.

So I'm sure he would be honored if you spoke.

Ojo, every every Sunday, Coach Reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain play.

God on his truth.

Every time he would call on me,

he would already have salt me.

He would tell me he was step out in the hall.

He would tell me, I'm going to ask you this.

Right.

This is what you need to say.

Right.

Say it like this.

And I'm like,

why he i he ain't doing that for nobody else right

he's not

that's why it hurt me so bad ocho when he got fired

i said had i became because he got fired the year i made my first pro bowl i led the team in receiving right

that it hurt me so bad i said if i had only become

what I later became in 93 through 98,

ain't no way Coach Reeves got fired.

So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me.

He believed in me.

He did.

He drafted me.

Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me.

And for him, John, and Koo and Coach Reeve to take that kind of time, I promise you,

I don't know.

You don't quote me on this.

It's hard for me to believe.

that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game.

It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in the 1983 draft.

He was a pro bowler, he was an all-pro, he was an MVP, had gone to three Super Bowls, is taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick.

Gary Kubiak, who was the backup, is taking that kind of liking.

Ocho, I ain't have no choice.

It's like my grandmother,

when she took my mom's three in after raising hers.

I didn't have no choice, Ocho.

How could I let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me?

How?

I couldn't.

Right.

Man, I got in a playbook.

Hey, every night I'm going home.

I say, I'm going to know

everything.

It became second nature.

It became, I knew, I knew what I had to do.

It's hard to, because, check this out, Ocho.

Yeah.

The tight end is normally

Y.

Yeah.

In Dan's offense, he's X.

The X.

Yes, because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator.

So everything is backwards.

135 is to the right.

2468 is to the left.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes.

So if it's backwards, that's not Z.

That's a wing.

Okay.

X.

Y.

Wing three, Y dig.

Tight end is the ex.

Oh Cho, tight end been Y his whole life.

2468 been to the right your whole life.

1357 is to the left.

Oh Cho.

Now you got verbiage.

Oh, Joe, I came from the route tree.

Yeah.

654.

Same.

737.

Man, what you mean?

52 double slanting special.

Huh?

What I got?

52.

I ain't never heard nothing like that.

Right.

Oh, man.

Geez.

My mind was spinning.

But him, some good days, boy.

Ocho, I just want to know what is it going to take?

What do you believe it will take for Shadur to get an opportunity to start this season?

Because this is, because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore, and it's reported that there were were another team, the Eagles, also thought about selecting him.

He said, no, I don't want to play behind her.

I don't want to.

It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that, but you're talking about a guy like Jalen Hurst is very doable.

He doesn't miss time.

Lamar.

You're not seeing the field.

You're not seeing the field at all places.

Now he's got the opportunity to play.

What happens if he doesn't see the field this year?

For Cleveland?

Hey,

that's one I don't know.

And that's I'm not understanding.

But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being that

they have shortcomings with Flacco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then that's malpractice on ownership.

It might get to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there because not only are the team going to call for it, the fans and the media are going to call for him as well.

I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for if Gabriel doesn't play well.

I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over, just don't just keep your defense off the field for damn 35-40 minutes.

I'm not asking you to be a world beater,

but if you can give your defense, if you can score enough and keep your defense off the field, yes, where they're not playing 35-40 minutes,

you're going to have a chance.

Yeah, you're going to have a chance.

The defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down.

Yeah,

so we'll see.

Oh, Joe, Dylan Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new queet QB1.

Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.

I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus.

And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But

you wait for the perfect time.

You know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

Wait for the perfect time.

You'll be waiting a lifetime.

I like that.

Because when you do, you get your moments and your opportunities.

Sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect.

It's never perfect.

The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the opportunity is never going to be how you envision it.

And that's exactly what it is.

Sometimes there are adversity sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities

and for him it hasn't been perfect

hey man my light my light just went out

i don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime the reports didn't come out that he's told a team not to draft him

i don't yeah i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't coincide with what he said and having to do anything with with 12.

i I don't.

Yeah, nah.

It's hard to even.

Nah, not even close.

Not even close?

Nah, not even close.

No.

I get, you know,

that would be almost be reaching a little bit.

That's to me, nah.

So, but I'm trying to figure out how you feel.

Why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime?

Well, come on, huh?

I'm just asking.

We can't, we can't.

That's his words.

That's what he came up with.

That might be a saying.

I don't know.

I don't know, but I still don't, I don't coincide with what he's saying and having to do anything.

But

it's your door.

Look,

is it ever going to be perfect, OJo?

I mean, all things being equal, you like for the Dolphins to draft you.

All things being like, man, let me go home.

I want to play for the Dolphins or I want to go play with somebody, got a quarterback.

Yada, yada, yada.

Look, and I get it.

Quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and he's good.

He's going to be there for a period of time, and you got to, you know, you got to wait and hope everything happened.

I mean,

let me ask you a question.

Ideally,

do you think Tom Brady,

given the choice, wanted to go to New England after they had just given May Drew Bledsoe the highest paid quarterback in the NFL?

He had just signed a six-year, $100 million

deal.

Do you think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady?

Absolutely not.

What happened?

he got hurt drew got hurt

drew got hurt and guess what happened it was an ideal situation and it wasn't perfect he made it ideal bingo and the same thing same joe flacco's not playing well it's not the ideal situation because maybe the ideal situation is i drafted in the third round and i beat joe flacco out in training camp and i'm the start of week one that's the ideal perfect situation i don't believe they're i don't believe they're gonna let anybody look it it's been reported they wanted kenny pickett to win the job and gabriel be second should door be third i don't ever think there was going to be a situation ojo that a rookie was going to beat joe flacco out i don't no i i i didn't either based on

i didn't either but again The way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience.

And when the bottom falls out, then you make a change.

The bottom fell out they made a change right

man should have got i could have told him the bottom was gonna fall out yeah at some point the bucket was rusty anyway

then you talk about the bottom fell out the bucket rusty yeah you think what's gonna happen to the bottom look

at the end of the day shador

needed to make the best decision for him.

You might not agree with what he did.

He should just be happy that somebody was going to take him.

X, Y, and Z.

I get it, Ocho.

I get all.

I do.

I honestly get all of that.

because normally when we come out oh we just happen to get drafted really i am i didn't care about man the big really the bingo's the patriots the colts anybody could have drafted me i got drafted to the nfl that was the start of the journey yeah i mean people sometimes people get drafted ochro they say oh yeah no bro your journey just started you ain't never been to the nfl

I don't know if your dream, my

dream was not to just get, was not to be drafted.

My dream was to get to the NFL and play.

Right.

Being drafted is just half the process whoa whoa whoa whoa also you have to think now let's let's let's let's let's let's use a little go back common sense my chances if i'm shoulder

i don't want to go to baltimore

you ain't finna see the field you're not seeing the field for the next 10 one two three four five fifth the next 10 11 years it's gonna be a mar jackson show

i know a guy that went to new england when tom brady was at his apex named jimmy garoppolo played a few games played good enough and then what happened on your tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when jimmy garoppolo got drafted to the new england patriots and tom brady got suspended because we never know because

there's only been one omnipotent one yeah the all-knowing yes tell the people at home what happened jimmy garoppolo got drafted to the new england patriots there's an unforeseen that we could not have possibly known right tell the people i want you to take the story over from there.

Hold on, I forgot the story.

You got to bring me up to speed.

Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots.

Yes.

Tom Brady gets suspended for four games.

Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough to say, guess what happened, Ocho?

The 49ers traded a second-round pick to get Jimmy G.

Okay.

Now, Lamar Jackson is hurt.

If Shadur Sanders is there, guess who's going to get in the game right now, Ocho?

Shadur Sanders.

If you play well enough, because you know you're not going to keep the job from lamar jackson you play well enough guess what happens ocho tell people what could possibly happen yeah he could probably get traded somewhere somebody willing to give up picks for him

and you get

you get to a situation that you always wanted because

go ahead or

the cards that you were dealt I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else.

I'm going to take my chances going, but let me stay with me now.

Go ahead, I'm with you.

I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me, those obstacles and those hurdles, that adversity that I've always had to overcome in life.

I'm going to do it the hard way.

I got to wait.

I got to wait and wait my turn.

Because

he's going to get his opportunity, young.

Guess what else is stacked against you?

What's that?

The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore.

Yeah.

Because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to?

danny amendola guess who else julian edelman guess who else rod gronkowski

guess who he would be handing the ball off to derrick henry guess who he'd be throwing to mark andrews guess who else rashad bateman yeah guess who else hallelujah nave flowers nate flowers

oh now let me ask you another question who would you rather be throwing the ball to the guys in cleveland or the guys in baltimore who would you rather hand the ball off to derrick henry or the guy in cleveland

I'm just asking.

I don't know.

I mean, you might like it.

I hear you.

I hear you.

It sounds good.

That would be the ideal situation.

But

what did Dylan Gabriel just say?

I don't have the ideal situation.

The situation I'm in was not perfect, but when I

played.

Hold on, hold on.

Can we rewrite that and play that again?

Can we rewrite that?

I smile because it's

a moment you prepped for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus.

And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

If you wait for the perfect time, so I'm Shadur and I'm in Baltimore.

So I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt because that's the perfect.

What you waiting for in Baltimore?

What you waiting for in Cleveland?

You waiting for Joe Flacco to mess up.

So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still waiting on the perfect time.

You're still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do.

Regardless of what's surrounding you, you still got to do what you got to do.

Right.

When you get in there, hey, for one, you know what?

You know what's funny?

You can't focus on what's around you.

You can only focus on what you need to do.

You got to do what you need to do, regardless of whether you have a great supporting cast or not.

Whether I got Derrick Henry or not, whether I got Zay Flowers or I got goddamn

Derrick Henry in the background, I got to do what I got to do and handing the ball off to

Junkins, right?

Junkins,

yeah, Jukins.

I got to get the ball to Jerry, Jerry Judy.

I got to get the ball to Unjuku.

Whatever I got to work with, that hand I got.

Well, when you play Blackjack, they give you a hand.

Right.

I'm trying to beat the dealer.

That's it.

I got what I got.

I guess I got.

I man, you gave me 14.

I guess what you got?

You got it, man.

I got to hit it.

Hey, that's the beautiful.

Hey, that's the beautiful thing about life, though, huh?

That's

about life.

We all envision getting the perfect hand, but sometimes the cards that God deal us, they ain't perfect.

He knows he ain't going to give us 21 every time.

No, and sometimes you might have 21 and the dealer got 21.

And you'll be like, and you didn't take no insurance out.

Hey, listen, that's a push.

Oh, you got, oh, you're like, oh, yeah, I got 20.

And then he flip flip over blackjack.

So you're right.

There are, there are no,

look, there are no perfect scenarios.

Yeah.

We make

whatever it is, we make the best out.

Because there have been times, hey, you got, hey, you got eight, you got 10, you get three, you get a five, you get another three, 21.

Yeah.

Like, damn, I don't know how I got, I don't know how I made that hand.

Yeah.

And that's what your door is going to have to do.

Okay, he's going to have to wait a couple of more weeks.

Dylan Gabriel is in there now.

And

they're going to give him, you know, three to five weeks.

Yeah.

Hey, listen,

I hope he does well.

I do too.

I couldn't wish bad, Ocho.

I've been in that situation, Ocho.

I was the third.

Hold on.

Clarence K.

Orson Berber.

I was the fourth tight end, Ocho.

Got it.

Fourth.

Every tight end on the roster got hurt.

Hold on.

You were fourth?

Fourth.

First of all,

first of all,

I was the fifth receiver.

So that's why I was the fifth receiver.

Yes.

Hey,

hey, you were sorry.

Hey, I was a special team, man.

I was a special team, Ocho.

That's my job.

Give them a good look at practice.

Right.

Special teams, go down there and do what I need to do.

Yeah.

How everybody, all the tight ends get hurt.

Yeah.

I'm the biggest wide receiver.

But at that point in time, Ocho, I'm already down.

I came in.

I weighed 221.

By that time, I'm like 212.

What tight end you, what wide receiver you know, Ocho, can go play a tight end, even in today's game when they don't really block like that at 212.

Yeah, that's very undersized.

That's very undersized.

Hell, I did shit.

When I came in this movie, I was 212.

So it was a situation like, and when Danic sent for me to come talk to Dan, I think I'm going to get cut.

Because, oh, a coach calls you, they say, Hey, Dan, I want to see you in his office.

And you just had a meeting.

What you, man?

I'm going to tell myself, what I'm going to tell Olivia, what I'm going to tell Specky, damn.

Everybody at back and just, oh, everything going through my head.

Yeah, I know.

I know them ends back home.

Gonna be, yeah, I told you.

I know he wasn't gonna last long.

He could tell I was nervous.

Oh, Joe, I'm

that's the man.

Coach,

hey, Shannon, come on in.

No, I'm good.

I can hear y'all here.

Hey.

He said, he said,

what do you think about switching positions?

We think about moving you to tight end.

I said,

okay.

He said,

I said,

you going to throw me the ball?

He's like, yeah, you know, you got to learn to play, but yeah,

we'll get you the ball.

I said, okay

oh joe my heart oh my heart was beating so fast yeah

so hey

now

i ain't in the wide receiver meetings no more

with the tight end tight ends yeah

and just and just like that halfway through the season boom

exit interview ocho we were five and 11 that year yeah he's a coach uh coach reed tell me i go to his office he say you did really good uh but hey, we need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on.

Yeah.

Hey, we think you could be really good.

We think you could be really good.

It's like, man, I was okay.

Bad.

Oh, Joe Bad, I hit the weight.

Man.

So that's what, hey, Shador, I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself, but when it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has told you this, when when the opportunity presents itself,

sometimes when opportunity presents itself, oh, your grumblers complain about the noise.

Don't worry about it.

Seize the moment, bro.

Oh, what that was you said?

Opportunity, when it knocks,

grumbler complains about the noise.

Man, who that knock?

That's opportunity.

Gone.

Don't worry about it.

Hold on.

You are Sanders.

Realize that.

Hang your hat on that.

All else fails.

Go back.

Who am I?

What am I?

How did I become this?

Where did I come from?

Hey, boy, that was a good one there, but when opportunity presents itself, grumblers.

When opportunity knocks.

Oh, yeah, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

When opportunity.

Hey, who that knocking on my door?

What you want?

That was opportunity, knocking.

And you complaining about the noise.

Oh, that's tough, huh?

Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there.

I'm going to use that.

I'm going to use that.