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Since high high school, Genty has stood straight up with his hands by his side in the backfield before the snap.

However, during the Raiders' offseason, the coaching staff demanded Genty switch to a traditional running back stance, Chip Kelly being the main advocate for Genti to change. It bent knee game.

During his first three games, Genty struggled to get going. He averaged 3.1 yards a carry on 47 carries.

Since changing backs to that stance yesterday, he recorded 155 total yards, 138 of those on the ground, three touchdowns, two receiving, one rushing.

After the game, Genty said, that's how I naturally feel good standing in the backfield. So that's how I'm going to play.
Ocho, we've heard very,

a lot of players that's played under Chip Kelly in the NFL like, hey,

it's like his way. I'm trying to figure out

what does

that stance have to do with your coaching style. It's all about control with him.
I totally.

It's all all about control with him.

That man's been standing like there.

It's kind of like a quarterback, Ocho, that's taken, and Johnny talked about it, say he only took about six snaps his whole career prior to getting to the NFL under center.

This man has been playing like this. You took him as a top 10 pick in the draft, and now you get him, and now you want to change everything about him.

Why? I mean, the whole point of you drafting that high is based on everything he does.

Not the production, but why change what makes him comfortable? That's like you drapping the receiver very high and trying to change him on how he stands, how you run.

Like, what are we doing?

Coach him. That's it.
Let him do what he does. He's not giving you any indication in which way he's going by standing straight up.
None. That's what he likes.
That's his style.

And plus, Ocho, the man, Ocho, you put him in a conventional stand. How the hell are he going to see? You might as well put him in a down stance.
He already 5'6. Hell, you put him in a...

Now he 5'2.

Yeah.

The man stand up so he can just scan the field and i think he wears a shield so it's not like you can see his eyes and see where he's going yeah i mean it's all it's all about control with him man that that that stance wasn't bothering anybody nobody at all at all just as just to say just to have your imprint on something oh the coach and like i said pete carroll should have said hey

Pete should have went to Chip said, nah, Chip, we're going to leave that stance just like it is.

Yeah. Yeah.
I'm glad. I'm glad he went back to doing what he liked.
And it's funny.

As soon as he goes back to doing what he likes, he has a game like he did, even though they did lost, even though they did lose. Right.
But that's it.

Look, if that's what's going to make him comfortable, Locho, running out of that stance,

most of the time, hey, coaches are very superstitious. If you need a special meal, if you need something, they make sure you have that.
Right. Yeah, absolutely.

They're going to make sure you have that. That man's that stance rushed forward 2,000 yards, what, 2,500, 2,600 yards last year? And now all of a sudden, he gets there.

How does that impact your play calling? Because he's standing up like that?

Does it force you to call plays differently than you would if he's in a conventional stance? No.

It's okay not to have. See,

I don't fault him.

I fought

Pete Carroll for allowing it. Because at the end of the day, he's the offensive coordinator.
Pete Carroll is the head coach.

And I've seen head coaches override offense and defensive coordinators when they did. No, let him do that.

Because at the end of the day, what if

I want you to play your absolute best? If standing up in that stance, it's like, oh, you're like you said, a receiver.

Some coaches, if you're on one side, whatever side you're on, okay, I want your right. If you're on the right side, I want your right leg back.
If you're on the left side, I want your left leg back.

Man, go, man, leave me the F alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

is I used to play, I used to play with my stance and

I really love the fact that at times I was given the freedom to change things because you know they watch film. Yes.
When that's skinny, it's always the same place.

If the ball is in the middle, you're inside add to the numbers. If the ball's on the left half, you outside add to the numbers.
So I used to play with my splits a lot. Oh, you had to, yes, yes.

So I would play with my splits a lot. So people wouldn't know what I was doing because it's always on film.

So I would just add stuff into the offense, but I would always end up in the same place at the right time. I got to be there.
Right. And that's what it's, that's what it comes down to.

You know, hey, sometimes you got to, sometimes you got to run

a slant. Yeah.

You got to switch it up. You got to run.
You can't. You, hey, man, he tight.

Yeah.

Well, hell, they going to know.

Sometimes you got to, hey, man, I'm going to have to bust it, but I can't keep line up in this tight split and run it this shallow, or I can't keep running this tight split and running this speed out.

because they're going to pick up on that.

Like you said, they study film. They study your foot placement.
They study your alignment they study okay oh oh

he always he normally always have this foot back yeah when he have this foot back

here come that bang

so now you put that foot back and you run the out

because he gonna be looking to drive the bang

the same thing that we do when we see a linebacker and he stagger he switch his stance oh you come man you coming you ain't finna dropping no coverage man sharp how you you know don't worry about it i'll tell you after the game

i ain't finna tell you i ain't finna tell you not so you can change it up but yeah let let the young let the young man let the young man prosper and if that's what's going to help him be his absolute best take off son hey

you want to eat you want to eat spaghetti uh uh for a pre-game take off yeah If you want to, hey, me, I was a French toast,

oatmeal guy. That's what I had in a banana.

That's what my pregame was. Now, I ate pasta the night before the game, but some people like pasta and steak before the game.
Uh-uh. I don't like that, Ocho.
That's too heavy.

That's too heavy. I need to be light.
I need that stuff to be out of my system by the time I get to the game.

But yeah, I think Chip Kelly was trying to do too much for that.

That was totally unnecessary because now let the guy

succeed. Ocho, Malik Neighbors, Tories ACL on Sunday at at MetLife Stadium ending the season, joining a growing list of players who've suffered major ACL

Achilles injuries in that stadium.

Nick Bosa in 2020, Solomon Thomas in 2020, Jabril Peppers in 2021, Wandell Robinson in 2022, Sterling Shepard in 2022, Kyle Fuller in 2022, Aaron Rodgers in 23, Malik Neighbors in 2025.

This morning, NFLPA interim executive director David White met with the Giants and raised concerns with the playing surface per Jonathan Jones.

David White pre-planned visit to Giants today, according to the union sources, while he met with Giants players and John Maher and raised the issues surrounding MetLife Stadium's turf history.

White also shared the union's best interests, best wishes to Mara with his recent cancer diagnosis announcement.

More than 90% of the players have expressed a preference for natural grass than surveys and have continued to ask for it in light of stadiums installing grass for FIFA next year.

Ocho, now you see oh joe yeah you see what what ocho what are they putting in all these stadiums that the that the world cup is coming to what are they putting there ocho tell the people home yeah listen you you know you know especially uh an event of this magnitude soccer is only played once you cross out the states it's only played on grass not just any grass i'm talking about that beautiful beautiful very bermuda Bermuda Bermuda

that they be looking at be looking like Augusta National

Unbelievable unbelievable so

i understand i understand the players gripes uh obviously about the turf about the grass i mean they they prefer and they much rather be playing on grass uh i think for cold weather cities that don't have an enclosure yeah it's hard it's hard to it's hard now that that would be that would be an issue so i remember when playing the steelers having a messed up feel for them oh yeah late November, late December, it was an advantage.

It was the advantage of them having to having a bad feel so i mean if if if and plus the thing is

you know the biggest problem what

nfl games aren't the only thing that's played in that stadium

you tear your grass up you have college games you have concerts so when beyonce comes or you have motocross and you have all these other things that's played in there you need something that can stand up because it's hard to pay for a stadium when you just use it half the year.

So that stadium is getting used year-round. Especially, obviously, now, you know, New York, you can't have, I mean, they're probably not having outdoor events.

But let's just say for the sake of argument, like Jerry's World. See, Jerry figured it out.
Guess what they have there, Ocho? Everything. College football playoffs.
Boxing.

He's trying to get the

Oklahoma, Texas, the Red River rivalry. He's trying to get that there.

National championship games are being played.

They're doing other things. They're having concerts.
They're having boxing events. They're They're having other things.
So that's how you make money by having these venues. And it gets hard.

Real grass is hard to care for. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's really hard to care for. I mean, it is literally, I mean, we used to have a real grass in Mile High with some synthetic sewn in.

But man,

Ross was on it. I'm talking about, as a matter of fact, he used to work at the Broncos facility.
They took him and he especially now he's in charge of that down there. He don't do the Broncos stuff.

Man, they cutting that grass every day. They measuring the temperature.
How much water? Okay, we gave it to A. They cut the sprinklers on, oh, Joe, for 10 minutes as opposed to 15.
They cut it.

We cut it too low. It might burn.
Oh, man, there's a science to that stuff. Yeah.

Yeah.

But, you know, look, at the end of the day,

I think they'll sit down. I think they'll come to some type of resolution.
It's like, okay, what is in the best interest? Because we're hurting the product. Guys are getting injured.

You're going to have to convince. You're going to have to be able to show them because, you know, the NFL is going to have their doctors and say, see,

there isn't a rise. Oh, Joe, I'm trying to, Ocho, if you're trying to save money, I ain't trying to install grass and then have to install it every three weeks.

Basically, this is what you're going to have to do. Because I think Houston.

And the Cardinals have that roll-up grass. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, they roll them palace out.

And then when it's up, they

roll them back up.

So

it's going to be interesting to see

what comes of this. I don't know what's going to come of this, but it just goes to show you that there is some concern from the PA standpoint.
Because these are some big names, Ocho.

These ain't just, you know,

willy-nilly players.

And

we'll see. Like you said,

I just believe the

owners are like, man, look here.

For the World Cup

to put us, you know, and

the influx of money that's going to be brought into the community. Economy? Hey,

you understand how big...

Yeah, I do.

Why you think everybody in America, everybody in their mama tried to bid on it?

Hell, I think Atlanta got it. I think Atlanta got something going on there.
The Mercedes, Mercedes-Biz don't. Atlanta, Miami, LA, Mexico, Kansas City, Canada, Kansas City.

God, dog, somewhere. It's a few more.
It's a few more. I'm going to be at all of them.
I'm going to be at all of them.

I'm excited.

You going?

Remember,

I worked with Fox. Yeah.
Pepper Qatar. I was out there for a whole month.

So I'm doing the same thing again.

i'm excited i can't wait

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I can't wait.

You can't wait for what?

So what do you do you think?

You think they're going to switch the turf or they're going to leave it as is?

Probably leave it as is because it's too much work.

It's too much work on there.

And

it's the kind of work that's going to cost more.

They're trying to cut costs.

My point exactly.

It's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out because, like I said, look, they're studying it now.

I don't know how much they studied when every, I mean, because

before this field turf, Ocho, you either had natural grass or you had artificial turf.

There was no field turf. And then they like this field turf.
Okay, this field turf is more durable. You don't have to care for it like you do regular grass.

It's durable, so you can play multiple events on it.

You can have multiple things on it. concerts.
So you could have a concert. You could have a concert on Saturday night and the thing will be on Friday night and it'll be ready on Sunday.

You know what I liked about the turf, though? With that? Like that. It didn't matter if it was raining.
It didn't matter if it was cold. It didn't matter if it was hot.

It didn't matter if there was snow on the ground. I was still able to run full speed and stop on a time because it's not giving.
It's not going nowhere. And

I could feel every step.

I like that. Not that I have any, nothing wrong with grass, but I just like the fact that is obviously the shoes I wore, Unk was like a track spike with no cushion, no sole, no nothing.

It was just the shell of a shoe and a shoelace. So just being able to feel, to me, I feel it's much faster playing on that turf.

I like grass, but you, I mean, I like grass on your, but you know what? I didn't slip because I was a heavy planter.

And I made sure, you know, I was always, I always, you know, a lot of times you start slipping when you start.

I was like, bro, there's a reason why you only got four spikes in the back and you got seven, eight in the front.

So put your damn weight on the front of your, on the balls of your feet, not on your heels. That's why you slipping.
Like,

that should be common sense. Dumb, dumb.
Yeah.

Hey, and another reason I like it is I was so unorthodox in some of the stuff I did.

I could be running the out route. You know, the out route, your out route is on your seventh step, right? Yeah.
Seventh step with your outside foot.

The out route and take an extra step because i can get the 12 so fast and do it running outright off my left foot did so with let me ask you a question did y'all 10 roll to 12 or you 12 roll to 14 me i would always go i always go from is you're supposed to roll from 10 to 12 yeah i would get the 12 because you know i can plant that one foot and just flip right away if you got

you planning on your inside foot No, I got my right foot. My right foot.

Yeah. Listen, I'm talking about one foot.
Well, you plan on your right foot if you're on the left side. You You're playing on your left foot if you're on the right side.

I can do it in one motion because if you got a good DB, I'm talking about a really good DB that says, you know what? I'm not moving. I'm not going to sit.

I'm going to read the quarterback the first three steps and I'm going to get my eyes back on you. And that roll, if you're rolling from 10 to 12, he driving.

If the ball ain't perfect, it's going the other way. So I'm not going to give you no chance.
I'm getting to 12 and I'm going to make sure you're getting up out of there.

Are you going going right down the middle or are you trying to pick a shoulder no i'm staying right down the middle i'm staying right down the middle yep

because if i weave a good dude just gonna weave right with you

he's just gonna reset everything

so i don't want to give you no indication i want to just i'm gonna stay in a straight line get you to open if you open boom i'm snapping off and right won't play ball

all right without me

you got to get him out of that back pedal because look now they'll call it if you run into the the guy now, if you he stand there and don't want to move, you run into him, they're going to call it now.

Right, right, right. Whereas before, they wouldn't call that because he's like, he's entitled to that ground also.
You have to show us.

That's that would it well, he's entitled to that spot. And uh, but you know,

I'm trying to get him to open up also.

Yeah, I'm trying to get him to open, but for the most part, the last thing they want to do is they don't want you to step on their toes. No,

they don't want you to step on their toes because they know if you step on their toes, it's over for the nine ball.

It's over for the nine ball. Hey, and the last thing you want to do is hey, and I'm you, hey, Ocho, you know, you got to be, you come that like you dig.
I'm like, oh, he ain't come to this nine ball.

Look at it, run it. Hey, no.

I ain't going to,

I ain't going to dig. I was playing my bad, my bad.
I ain't mean to dig. I ain't mean to dig that hard to get you to open up, but I had to get you out of that back parallel.

I had to make you move. Because if he doesn't move, Ocho, oh, he gonna, oh, he's gonna drive that.

Driving on it oh he driving that and especially it all depends on your how tight you are because he knows if you tight the outball oh you want some you want some space to run the out huh uh-huh

cleveland browns have announced that their third-round pick dylan gabriel will start sunday against the minnesota vikans in london when asked about getting uh gabriel getting the starting job job, it was literally,

it literally left Shador speechless. Ocho, let's take a listen to the second.
Yeah, yeah, let me hear that thing.

What do you think you have to show

to coaches just to

have them have that belief in you that you can be ready.

What can you say?

I'm just saying.

How much has Joe been important to both you and Dylan in terms of your guys' like development to this point?

Man, y'all money.

Oh Cho, do you like the way Shador handled this press conference? Absolutely. Absolutely.
Because whatever he says, they're going to twist his words. If you say nothing,

you know, there's really, wait, on any other team, there are 31 other quarterbacks. Excuse me.
There are 31 other teams. Do any of those media members talk to the third string quarterback?

No.

It's controversy. Why create controversy? How do you not create it? By when they ask you questions, just don't answer.

you just don't answer if anything they should be talking to joe flacco why are you talking to shadur

And it makes no sense. And I like the way he handled it because anything he does say, they're going to make it a big deal.
They're going to twist his words.

They're going to take it completely out of context. Listen, Dylan Gabriel is a starter.
So be it.

For me, I mean, it's being reported.

Adam Schefter reported and some other networks are starting to report that this was his response to Rex Ryan saying what he said on the Sunday show, that keep your mouth closed, move to the front of the class, and X, Y, and Z.

Okay, I like that. I like that.
I guess this was a situation where he's like, okay, I should keep my mouth shut. I'm going to keep my mouth shut.

It's hard for me to believe that the scenario that he didn't talk to his father,

obviously he leans very heavily on his father, rightfully so. His dad has been through things like this

where, you know, he says something and then it.

If he says something, it's one thing. If he doesn't say something, it's another thing.
So he took this approach. Look,

he's not just any

other quarterback, any other third-string quarterback. No, you and I both know if he was any other quarterback and he slid down where he did, we wouldn't even be having it.

If he was any normal fifth-round pick, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Yeah, but he's not a fifth-round pick.

So we should not ask him to act like a fifth-round pick because that's not what we believe he is. Um, for me, look,

um,

if he'd tug it, if he had tugged the pro pro say, look, I'm happy for Dylan.

Hopefully, he goes out there and plays well.

Joe, I feel bad for Joe, but you know, this is the game of football. This is a business.
And hey,

I'm just, you know, I'm happy for Dylan, and my job doesn't change.

I go out there, I prepare.

And if my time, if my number is called, I'm going to go out there and give it everything that I possibly got. That's really the only thing that he can say, Ocho.

What's he supposed to say?

Now,

it's a situation. I'm not, you know, we had this conversation and everybody from Cleveland jumped on me.
I said, guys, what are we doing? Right.

Why is Joe Flacco here? Yeah, we know. Joe Flacco was in Cleveland once before and they let him go.
He was in Indy. And he wasn't.
Let me get this straight.

He wasn't the answer the first time around in Cleveland. He wasn't the answer in Indy.
He wasn't the answer at the Jets. But now he's going to be the answer this time around.

Joe Flacco hadn't been the answer since 2012

when he took the Ravens to the Super Bowl. And that's it.

go ahead ojo i i don't think he i don't think he was the answer um it was more sure of the short term the short term excuse me the short-term answer until they're ready to see who's going to be quarterback number two we find out who quarterback number two was and it was only a matter of time same thing with russell wilson and jackson dart russell wilson was a starter he was he was he was the starter for for a short time like you said eight weeks or maybe after i thought it would have been way i thought i thought it'd been far beyond that but obviously we see what happened They made a change after week three.

Same concept.

I knew we weren't going to be there, being there too long.

And I mean, listen, Dylan Gabriel is now the quarterback.

I wish him luck. And

we're going to see. To me, to be honest with you, I don't think he's the answer.
I don't think he's the answer. And we're going to find out.
Listen, this ain't the preseason.

This ain't the preseason.

And the defenses that you're going to see now are going to be a lot more different than we saw

during preseason. So,

if he can handle the pressure, one of the things I do like about Dylan Gabriel is not only can he throw the ball, he showed that he can be efficient in the preseason, but he's also a dual threat.

He can use his legs. Similar to Jackson Dart.
I'm not saying Jackson Dart, but I'm just saying he had that dude threat capability and being able to extend plays and throw the ball.

It's funny how we look at things. Now,

Jameis Winston has a big personality. He's a third-string quarterback.
Everybody Everybody would have lied to Jameis had he did the exact same thing.

Right.

I mean, think about it, Ocho. Yeah.

The funny things that he says and the mannerisms that he has. Yes.

This is Jameis. Yeah, absolutely.
But they have a problem with Shadur. I don't know how Shadur wins.

If he says something, he shouldn't have said anything. If he doesn't say anything, he should have said something.

Until he gets on the field and somebody can say, either, see, I told you he could play or I told told you he couldn't play

it's going to be a something ocho that's just the way that's just the nature of what it is absolutely you know it's totally unfortunate too because if it was any fifth round pick he wouldn't be talked about like this no because this would come with that last name yeah absolutely this would come with the aura of being a sanders it just it is what it is obviously i feel the browns and the organization safanski obviously the owner himself came out and said this wasn't my pick this is not who i wanted so the odds are stacked against him the card that he dealt he's gonna have to do his best job and playing the hand that he has when that opportunity comes if it does come you got to come out you got you got to be prepared you got to be prepared and when you get it you got to shut that door behind you i get it look and people say well jameis proved himself what

that he was he's the journeyman quarterback he threw 30 picks he was the last quarterback in the nfl since you got to go back to test diverde in the 80s that threw 30 interceptions so i'm trying to figure out what did he prove

he took took, did he take Tampa to, did he take Tampa to the Super Bowl? Because all I know, the team that he left, Tom Brady came in the next year and they went to the Super Bowl.

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Where would he have been? Because where was he last year, Ojo? Cleveland. Cleveland.
Yeah.

He was in New Orleans before that. Yeah.

All I'm saying, I'm saying the personality matches. We can, look,

prove, prove.

Okay, fine. I get your point.
Where he started in the league. He was rookie of the year in the league.
You're absolutely correct. But

there are a lot of guys that's proved they could. Joe Flacco proved that he could play in the league.
Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. He was a Super Bowl MVP.

Go look at Joe Flacco playoff numbers.

I mean, you would say that Joe Flacco would have proven more if you say improve than Jameis.

I was just saying the personalities. When we like somebody, Ocho, we'll tolerate more of their behavior than if we don't.
Yeah, see, we like Jamis. Jameis funny, man.
Y'all heard what Jay was saying.

Jamis funny. James is going to have a career in media.
Yeah, Jameis is one-on-one. Jameis is

there. There isn't another personality like him.
I think Shador doesn't have that kind of personality.

I think people just don't like Shador based on the or what he comes with, the name,

pops as well. Some of the things Dion may have said in the past, people that like Dion.
So any ill will toward Dion, it just overflowing onto his son as well.

For me, Unc, you ignore it, especially as

Shador, you ignore it. You've been prepared for this moment.
You've had the deal all your life. Now it's come to a head.
You at the last stop.

You've reached the pinnacle, your childhood dream of being on the NFL team.

You're not the starter, but you have an opportunity to be the starter at some time if things don't go well. You just need to make sure you are prepared when the opportunity presents itself.

and that's pretty much it all the noise block all that out man block all that out it's just unusual

to see the starter get benched

and

well i guess it's it's common because the when when russ got benched jackson dart came in to start and russell went to the backup right

So I guess it's not unusual as we might think it is. You're like, well, hold on.
Flacco got benched. Shadua was already third.
Shouldn't everybody just like move up a spot and the guy jumps back?

But that's seemingly not how they did it because Brian Dayball said that Jackson Dart would start the rest of the season and Russ would serve as his backup and Jameis stage where Jameis is.

Yeah.

And

I don't, I guess it's common. I don't, I don't really know, Ocho.

But it seemed like this is the same thing. Joe Flacco lost his job.
The guy that was backing up, Joe Flacco, moves to the starter

and Flacco moves to number two. And the third quarterback stays exactly where he was.
Yeah, absolutely. I think the thing is, until Shador gets on the field and proves or disproves

what the

Ocho is 50, I mean, want to play, he's too cocky, he's too this, he does this, and he does that, the mannerism.

Until he's on the field, right until he plays is the the chatter the noise is not gonna stop no it's not

it's not are you muted

me

he ain't said nothing i can't hear him you can't hear me

oh just me yeah that's you i'm talking to you can you hear me now

hey can you see my muscles

You see my muscles? Hey, chat, can you see my muscles? Yeah.

Okay, there you go. You got me now?

Yeah, I got you. Go ahead.
That was me. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

I can get you now.

But it's a situation, Ocho.

People want to see him succeed or they want to see him fail, but they want to see him on the field. Yeah.

That's what it comes down to, Ocho. I want to see him on the field and I want to see him sink or swim.
Right. Yeah.

That's what it comes down to because all this talk, well, he shouldn't have been this or he shouldn't have been that. Now he's going to either prove

a camp right or he's going to be proven wrong. Right.

But so they want to say, okay, we see now that's why he's led to the fifth round. Man, I don't know how y'all see how he's playing.
He should have never been in the sixth round.

I mean, the fifth round. Right.
You don't know. I'm sure he talked to his dad.
Yeah. His dad's like, look, son, if it was me, um, you handle it.
You're your own guy. Uh, you're your own man.
But

Rex said,

I don't know exactly. I don't want to misquote, but I think he said something to the fact.
Why are you talking? Because it's the same situation.

And here's where he's going to get beat up at. If he doesn't go play in and he doesn't play well, Ocho, remember, he said he can play better than some of the starting quarterbacks right now.

That's what got LeBron in trouble with Bronny. Bronnie was in high school, or Bronny was in college, and Braun said Bronnie is better than some NBA players currently.
You put a huge target.

Now I get it. When you tell your son, you know, you believe in your son and you should believe in your son.
But when you put it out there like that, Ocho, man,

you're asking for a lot of criticism. Should we be surprised that he was named starter? No, I mean, he was the number two.

It shouldn't be a surprise at all. It shouldn't be a surprise at all.
He was, he, listen, Mr. Fancy came out before the season started and said that Dylan Gabriel will be the number two quarterback.

I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is.
So we knew at whatever point things weren't going well for Flacco, Dylan Gabriel would be the next man up.

Now, if things don't go well with Dylan Gabriel, I don't know what's going to happen from that point on. That, that, see, that's where I was going next.
Oh, you were.

You're right, Ocho, because it was reported that Gabriel was getting first-team reps along with Flacco if it's earliest training camp. So he was getting first-team reps.

Flacco was getting first-team reps. And who was the quarter of the quarterback?

Damn. From the Steelers.

Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Kenny.
Yeah, Pickett. So those guys were getting first-team reps.
Shadur wasn't getting those reps. So I agree.
We shouldn't be surprised.

The question that I have for you, if Gabriel struggles, now what do we do? Do they go back to Flacco, or they say, oh, do they give Shadur an opportunity? You know what? I'm not sure. And

knowing the game, understanding the business and knowing how the business works, I think they will probably go back to Flacco.

I think they will go back to Flacco.

And if things don't work out again and Flacco is still not successful when he returns back to the field, then I think Shadur will get his shot somewhere on the back half of the season.

Ocho, let me ask you a question. Talk to me.

If...

You think Shadur knew what he knew now. You think he goes back to Colorado for his last year?

If he knew what he knew now, if he knows what he knows now, hindsight, yeah.

Probably so.

Probably so. I think so too.

I would think so. But there's no possible way.
There's no possible way. Ocho, there's not a scenario that anybody thought, okay, let's just say, ocho, he's not the first pick.
He's not a top five.

He's not a top 10. Let's just say, you know what, Ocho, because you and I having this conversation, let's just say that he's not a first-round pick.

32 players going to be selected in the first round.

Ain't no way

he thought he'd be a fifth-round draft pick. No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not. Not at all.
And some people listen to some people to say, well, he wasn't that good.

He was mid.

Listen, he can play the quarterback position.

He can play the quarterback position. He does.
He's not a dual threat, but what he lacks in his ability to run the ball, he makes up in other areas.

He has other intangibles that makes him a quality quarterback where he should get an opportunity to start on an NFL team.

And until he gets the opportunity to prove he can do just that, we're going to have to wait and see.

He should apply

for a hardship for COVID.

Say, I want to go back and play.

You're right. I mean, there is really like no way to really know.

I mean, hell, I didn't, somebody would have told me I was going to be be a self-round draft pick. I said, you out your damn mind.
Yeah. Yeah.

I was the number, uh, I was the number one rated, or one of the number one rated players

below

Division I.

So I'm like, okay, I ain't gonna go to the first round. But somebody tell me I'm not gonna be a top three, third round, a top three round pick, man, please.

Let me tell you something, huh? You've been around a long time. I've been around long enough to understand that business and how that business works.
works.

Anything they don't like about you before you get there, they will find a way to humble you. They will find a way to humble you.

And when your opportunity does present itself, boy, you got to knock that goddamn door down and close it behind you because you're not going to get very many opportunities,

especially if they don't like you.

I would have, yeah, I would have

I agree with you, Ocho, because my brothers used to tell me all the time, I say, man, you know, I've been training camp, Ocho,

and I'll be like, man, I ain't, I ain't getting no ref today. Or I'll be in practice, you know, once I made a team.
He said, don't worry about it. He said, one day, John Elwy gonna call on you.

He said, just make sure when he call your number. Better be ready.

Got to be ready. He said, and I think the thing that really helped me, Ocho, is that he told me.
He said, T,

you could be good in this league. He said, there ain't a whole lot of people, there ain't a whole lot of can do what you do now.

He said, just keep working, you know, just keep working hard.

I don't know why that man took a liking to me. I don't, Ocho.
I don't know why. Right.

But, I mean, for him and Gary Kubiak, Kubiak, Koo, was the backup when I was in Denver when I first got there in 1991.

Hey, Cool used to pull me to the side. Now, that's when you know somebody really take a liking to you.
He pulled me to the side. He said, he would show me.

He's like, hey, now you're going to be in here on this, this, and this. You know what you got?

Now they're going to be in this coverage. You run this.
You're going to be on that coverage. You run that.
Oh, Joe, I'd be out there doing like I'm doing. I'd be like, okay, good job.
Good job, Sharp.

Hey, you know what else? You know what else?

They'd be like, oh, oh, they'd be like, good job, Sharp. That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
Getting your playbook. Man, cool.
Told me everything.

Hey, you know what else,

when I think about it, when I think about some of the things the fancy said, when I think about some of the things the owner said, They bait me too a little bit too, um. They bait me.

When you go to the army, when you go to the Marines, when you go to the Navy, any of those places where it's a structured environment, what's the one thing they try to do to make sure to see

if you're ready or you're worthy? Or they're going to try to break you down. Trying to break you.

They're trying to break him. He cannot break.
You cannot fold. You cannot lash out.
No, hell no. I don't come this far.
Hell no. You can't do none of that.
You got to stay the course.

You got to stay the course and focus on the end goal and prepare for that opportunity because it's going to come. Yeah.
It's definitely going to come.

Man, Ocho, look, I'm going to share this story with you. I've only shared it one time, and I shared it with when I spoke at Coach Reeves' funeral.

I was the only

his wife called me and asked, would I speak?

Now, you got to realize all the people that he played with, Coach Reeves played in the league. He played under Coach Landry.

All the coaches, he coached, he was the offensive coordinator with the Cowboys.

He was the head coach of the Broncos. He was the head coach of the Giants.
He was the head coach of the uh the falcons

he asked me to they she asked me to speak

i didn't know

until like she told me

but

um

she's like shannon it'd be a huge honor if you were to speak it at dan

i was like i'm like are you sure i was like she's like i'm sure she said shannon you was always his favorite he said you worked so hard he just say he saw

how you came in and what you worked and turned yourself into he was just so proud so i'm sure he would be honored if you spoke

ojo every sunday coach reeves would ask seven or eight of us what we had on a certain play

god on his truth

every time he would call on me

He would already have saw me. He would tell me he was step out in the hall

He would tell me i'm gonna ask you this right

this is what you need to say right say it like this

and i'm like

why he i he ain't doing that for nobody else right

he's not

that's why it hurt me so bad ojo when he got fired

i said had i became because he got fired the year i made my first pro bowl i led the team in receiving right

that it hurt me so bad. I said, if I had only become

what I later became in 93 through 98,

ain't no way Coach Reeves get fired.

So that's why it hurt me because he invested so much in me. He believed in me.
He did. He drafted me.
Somehow he lost his damn mind and forgot to cut me.

And for him, John, and Coo and Coach Reeve to take that kind of time, I promise you,

I don't know. You Don't quote me on this.
It's hard for me to believe that a head coach is taking that kind of interest in a seventh round draft pick in today's game.

It's hard for me to believe John Elway, the number one pick in a 1983 draft.

He was a pro bowler. He was an all-pro.
He was an MVP. Had gone to three Super Bowls.
Yeah. It's taking that kind of liking in a seventh round draft pick.
Gary Kubiak, who was the backup.

is taking that kind of liking. Oh, you ain't have no choice.

It's like my grandmother, put, when she took my, my mom's three in after raising hers,

I have no choice, Ocho. How could I let these people down that had invested so much in me, that believed in me? How? I couldn't.
Right. Man, I got in a playbook.
Hey, every night I'm going home.

I say, I'm going to know

everything.

It became second nature. It became, I knew, I knew what I had to do.
It's hard to, because check this out, Ocho. Yeah.

The tight end is normally

Y. Yeah.

In Dan's offense, he's X.

The X.

Yes, because Coach Landry was a defensive coordinator.

So everything is backwards.

1, 3, 5 is to the right. 2, 4, 6, 8 is to the left.

Okay. Yes.
So if it's backwards, that's not Z. That's a wing.

Okay. X, Y.

Wing three, Y dig.

Tight end is the X. Oh, Joe.
Tight end has been Y his whole life. 2468 has been to the right your whole life.
1357 is to the left. Oh,

now you got verbiage. Oh, Joe, I came from the route tree.
Yeah. 654.
Same. 737.

Man, what you mean

52 double slant in special huh

but i got

52

i ain't never heard nothing like that right

oh man

geez my mind was was spinning

button some good days boy oh cho i just want to know

What is it going to take? What do you believe it will take for Shadur to get an opportunity opportunity to start this season?

Because this is, because if he doesn't start this season, Ocho, the whole purpose of him not going to Baltimore, and it's reported that there were another team, the Eagles, also thought about selecting him.

He said, no, I don't want to play behind her. I don't want to.
It wasn't that he didn't want to play behind guys like that, but.

You're talking about a guy like Jalen Hurst is very doable. He doesn't miss time.
Lamar.

You're not seeing the field, Honk. You're not seeing the field at all.

Now he's got the opportunity to play.

What happens if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland?

Hey,

that's one I don't know. And that's what I'm not understanding.
But if he doesn't see the field this year for Cleveland, being that

they have shortcomings with Flacco and they have shortcomings with Dylan Gabriel, then that's malpractice on ownership.

It might get to a point where you have no choice but to put him in there because not only are the team going to call for him, the fans and the media are going to call for him as well.

I definitely think the fans are going to be calling for it if Gabriel doesn't play well.

I mean, look, just don't turn the ball over. Just don't just keep your defense off the field for damn for 35, 40 minutes.

I'm not asking you to be a world beater.

But if you can give your defense, if you can score enough and keep your defense off the field

where they're not playing 35, 40 minutes,

you're going to have a chance. You're going to have a chance.
The defense is plenty good enough, but not if you wear them down.

So we'll see.

Oh, Joe, Dylan Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new Queak QB1. Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.

I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But you wait for the perfect time. You know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.
So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

Wait for the perfect time. You'll be waiting a lifetime.

I like that. Because when you do, you get your moments and your opportunities.
Sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect.

It's never perfect. The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the opportunity is never going to be how you envision it.
And that's exactly what it is. Sometimes there are adversity.

Sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities.

And for him, it hasn't been perfect.

Hey, man, my light. A light just went out.

I don't think he was talking about him waiting a lifetime. The reports didn't come out that he's told the team not to draft him.

I don't coincide with what he said and having to do anything with 12. I don't.
Yeah, nah. It's hard to even, no, not even close.
Not even close? Nah, not even close. No.

That's in a sense.

I get, you know,

that would be almost be reaching a little bit. That's to me, nah.

So, but I'm trying to figure out how you feel. Why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime?

Well, come on, huh?

I'm just asking.

We can't, we can't. That's his words.
That's what he came up with. That might be a sandy.

I don't know.

I don't know, but I still don't. I don't coincide with what he's saying and having to do anything.

It's your door.

Look.

Is it ever going to be perfect on Joe?

I mean, all things being equal, you like for the Dolphins to draft you. All they be like, man, let me go home.

I want to play for the Dolphins, or I want to go play with somebody, got a quarterback, yada, yada, yada.

But look, and I get it, quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and he's good.

He's going to be there for a period of time, and you got to, you know, you got to wait and hope everything happened. I mean,

let me ask you a question. Ideally,

do you think Tom Brady,

given the choice, wanted to go to New England after they had just given May Drew Bledsoe the highest paid quarterback in the NFL. He had just signed a six-year, $100 million

deal. Do you think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady? Absolutely not.
What happened?

He got hurt. Drew got hurt.

Drew got hurt. And guess what happened? It was an ideal situation, and it wasn't perfect.
He made an ideal.

Bingo.

And the same thing.

Same. Joe Flacco's not playing well.

It's not the ideal situation because maybe the ideal situation is i've drafted in the third round and i beat joe flacco out in training camp and i'm the start of week one that's the ideal perfect situation i don't believe they're i don't believe they're gonna let anybody look it's been reported they wanted kenny pickett to win the job and gabriel will be second shadore be third i don't ever think there was going to be a situation ojo that a rookie was going to beat joe flacco out i don't know i i i didn't either based on

I didn't either. But again, the way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience.
And when the bottom falls out, then you make a change.

The bottom fell out, they made a change. Right.

Man, should have got, I could have told him the bottom was going to fall out. Yeah, at some point.
The bucket was rusty anyway.

You talk about the bottom fell out of the hell. The bucket rusty.
What the hell you think was going to happen to the bottom? Look,

at the end of the day, Shador

needed to make the best decision for him you might not agree with what he did he should just be happy that somebody was going to take him x y z i get it oh i get all i do i honestly get all of that because normally when we come out ocho we just happy to get drafted really i am i didn't care about man the big really the bingos the patriots the colts anybody could have drafted me i got drafted to the nfl that was the start of the journey yeah I mean, sometimes people get drafted, Ocho, they say, oh, yeah.

No, bro, your journey just started. you ain't never been to the nfl

i don't know if your journey my my dream was not to just get was not to be drafted my dream was to get to the nfl and play right being drafted is just half the process whoa whoa whoa whoa also you have to think now let's let's let's let's let's let's let's use a little go back common sense my chances

if i'm shoulder

i don't want to go to baltimore

You ain't finna see the field.

You're not seeing the field for the next next 10, one, two, three, four, five, six. The next 10, 11 years, it's going to be a Mar Jackson show.

I know a guy that went to New England when Tom Brady was at his apex named Jimmy Garoppolo.

Played a few games, played good enough. And then what happened? On your tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots.

And Tom Brady got suspended because we never know. Because

there's only been one omnipotent one. Yeah.
The all-knowing. Yes.
Tell the people people at home what happened. Jimmy Garoppolo got drafted to the New England Patriots.

There's an unforeseen that we could not have possibly known. Right.
And tell the people, I want you to take the story over from there. Hold on.
I forgot the story.

You got to bring me up to speed.

Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots. Yes.
Tom Brady gets suspended for four games. Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough to say, guess what happened, Ocho?

The 49ers traded a second-round pick to get Jimmy G.

Okay, now Lamar Jackson is hurt. If Shadura Sanders is there, guess who's gonna get in the game right now, Ocho? Shadur Sanders.

If you play well enough, because you know you're not gonna keep the job from Lamar Jackson, you play well enough. Guess what happens, Ocho? Tell the people what could possibly happen.

Yeah, he could probably get traded. Somebody, somebody willing to give up picks for him.

And you get

to a situation that you always wanted. Because

go ahead.

Or

the cards that you were dealt, I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else.

I'm going to take my chances going, but let me stay with me now. Go ahead.

I'm going to take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me, those obstacles and those hurdles, that adversity that I've always had to overcome in life.

I'm going to do it the hard way.

Guess what else? I got to wait and wait my turn. Because

He's gonna get his opportunity, young. Guess what else is stacked against you? What's that? The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore.
Yeah.

Because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to? Danny Amendola. Guess who else? Julian Edelman.
Guess who else? Rog Bronkowski.

Guess who he would be handing the ball off to? Derrick Henry. Guess who he'd be throwing to? Mark Andrews.
Guess who else? Rashad Bateman. Guess who else? Hallelujah.
Nate Flowers. Nate Flowers.

Oh. now let me ask you another question.
Who would you rather be throwing the ball to? The guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore? Who would you rather hand the ball off to?

Derek Henry or the guy in Cleveland?

I'm just asking.

I don't know. I mean, you might like it.

I hear you. I hear you.
It sounds good. That would be the ideal situation.
But would it, what did Dylan Gabriel just say?

I don't have the ideal situation. The situation, I mean, was not perfect, but when I

played it.

Hold up, hold up. Can we rewrite that and play that again?

Can we rewrite that? I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on.
But

you wait for the perfect time. You know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.
So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

If you wait for the perfect time. So I'm Shadur and I'm in Baltimore.
So I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt because that's the perfect time.

What you waiting for in Cleveland? You waiting for Joe Flacco to mess up.

So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still waiting on the perfect time. You're still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do.

Regardless of what's surrounding you, you still got to do what you got to do. Right.
When you get in there, hey, for one, you know what? You know what's funny?

You can't focus. on what's around you.
You can only focus on what you need to do.

You got to do what you need to do, regardless of whether you have a great supporting cast or not.

Whether I got Derrick Henry or not, whether I got Zay Flowers or I got goddamn

Derrick Henry in the background, I got to do what I got to do and hand the ball off to

Junkins, right? Junkins, Junkins, yeah. Junkins.

I got to get the ball to Jerry, Jerry Judy. I got to get the ball to Unjuku.

Whatever I got to work with,

that hand I got. Well, when you play Blackjack, they give you your hand.

Right. I'm trying to beat the dealer.

That's it. I got to work what i got i guess i got i man you gave me 14 i guess what what you got you got a nine i got to hit it

hey that's the beautiful hey that's the beautiful thing about life though that's it is about life right we all envision getting the perfect hand But sometimes the cards that God deal us,

they ain't perfect.

But he ain't going to give us 21 every time. No, and and sometimes you might have 21 and the dealer got 21.
And you'll be like, and you didn't take no insurance out.

Hey, listen, that's a push. Oh, you got, oh, you're like, oh, yeah, I got 20.
And then he flip over Black Jack.

So you're right. There are, there are no,

look,

there are no perfect scenarios. Yeah.

We make

whatever it is, we make the best out. Because there have been times, hey, you got, hey, you got eight, you got 10, you get three, you get a five, you get another three, 21.
Yeah.

Like, damn, I don't know how I got, I don't know how I made that hand. Yeah.

And that's what Shador is going to have to do. Okay.
He's going to have to wait a couple of more weeks.

Dylan Gabriel is in there now. And

they're going to give him, you know, three to five weeks.

Yeah.

I hope he does well. I do too.

Look,

I can't wish bad, Ocho.

I've been in that situation, Ocho. I was the third.
Hold on, Clarence K. Orson Berber.
I was the fourth tight end, ocho.

Got it. Hey, fourth.

Every tight end on the roster got hurt. Hold on.
You were fourth?

Fourth. Hey, first of all, I was

first of all,

I was the fifth receiver. So that's why I was the fifth receiver.
Yes.

Hey,

hey, you were sorry.

Hey, I was a special team, man. I was special teams, Ocho.
That was my job. Hey,

give them a good look at practice. right

special teams go down there do what i need to do yeah

how everybody all the tight ends get hurt yeah

i'm the biggest wide receiver but at that point in time ojo i'm already down i came in i weighed 221 by that time i'm like 212.

What tight end you, what wide receiver you know, Ocho, can go play a tight end, even in today's game, when they don't really block like that at 212. It is very undersized.
That's very undersized.

Hell, I did. When I came in this booty, I was 212.

So it was a situation like, and when dad sent for me to come talk to Dan, I think I'm gonna get cut. Come on, Joe, you and Coach calls you.

They say, Hey, Dan, I want to see you in his office, and you just had a meeting. What you, man?

I'm gonna tell my what I'm gonna tell Olivia, but I'm gonna tell Specky. Damn,

everybody at back. I just oh, Joe, everything going through my head.
Yeah, I know that I know them ends and back home. Gonna be, yeah, I told you, I know it wasn't gonna last long.

he could tell i was nervous so choose i'm

that's dead man

coach

hey shannon come on in

no i'm good i can hear y'all here

hey he said uh he said uh

what do you think about switching positions?

We've been thinking about moving you to tight end.

I said,

okay.

He said,

I said,

you going to throw me the ball? He's like, yeah, you know, you got to learn to play, but yeah,

we'll get you the ball. I said, okay.

Ocho, my heart was beating so fast. Yeah.

So, hey,

now

I ain't in the wide receiver meetings no more.

I'm with the tight end. Tight ends, yeah.

And just and just like that, halfway through the season, boom.

Exit interview, Ocho. We were 5 and 11 that year.
Yeah. He's a coach, Coach Reed, tell me I go to his office.
He said, you did really good.

But hey, need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on. Yeah.
Hey, we think you could be really good. We think you could be really good.
It's like, man. I was okay.

Bad, Ocho, man. I hit the weights.

Man.

So that's what, hey, Shador, I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself, but when it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has told you this: when the opportunity presents itself,

sometimes when opportunity presents itself, Ocho, grumblers complain about the noise.

Don't worry about it.

Seize the moment, bro. Oh, what that was you said?

Opportunity, when it knocks,

grumbler complains about the noise.

Man, who that knocked? That's opportunity. Gone.

Don't worry about it. Hold on.

You are Sanders. Realize that.
Hang your hat on there.

All else fails. Go back.
Who am I? What am I? How did I become this? Where did I come from?

Hey, boy, that was a good one there, boy. When opportunity presents itself, Grumbler says.
When opportunity knocks. Oh, yeah, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

Man, who that knocking on my door? What you want?

That was opportunity. Knocking.
And you complaining about the noise.

Oh, that's tough, huh? Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there.

Mm-hmm. I'm going to use that.
I'm going to use that. Yeah.

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