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Well, it was a hell of a ball game, and I'm sorry that it had to end.

It almost ended like the Dallas Cowboys game did.

But, but the 49ers defense rose to the occasion when they absolutely, positively had to, and they got to stop on fourth down, and they keep the Rams from cashing in on the third down and fourth down, and they win the ball game 26, 23 in overtime.

both quarterbacks were dealing we'll get to that in just a moment thank you guys for joining us for another episode of nightcap y'all know who i am i'm your favorite unc Shannon sharp my partner and co-host he's Liberty City's own

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49ers beat the Rams in overtime, Ocho, by the score of 26-23.

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49ers hold them out of the end zone there.

And then on fourth down, Ocho, when the rubber really needed to meet the road, because it seems to me they were going to go for it.

I don't think they were going to play for the tie like we got Sunday night between the Packers and the Packers and the Cowboys.

It seems like

Sean McVay was hell-bent.

He wanted to win this game, Mocho.

He really, he wasn't playing for no tie and he went for it.

The question I have for you, do you like Sean McVay going for it on fourth down or does he kick the field goal and give the 49ers because the next score

wins the ball game.

Yeah, I kind of like, I like him trying to go for it.

I want to get this game over with.

We've had some mistakes.

We've had some drops.

We've had some penalties.

We fought back to get back into the game, and I really want to end it right now.

I want to end it.

So I have no problem with him going forward on fourth and one, trying to end that game.

Listen, it can go one of two ways.

Either you get it or you don't.

You didn't get it.

The fact that he even had the balls and the gall to even go for it in that situation says a lot.

And he's one of the few coaches in the NFL who can go for it and take that chance, like a Dan Campbell.

Campbell.

You know, he's one of the few can do it.

I love that.

I love the doctor, Ocho.

I'm not playing for a tie.

I'm down there.

I'm in a great position.

And look, look, you had an opportunity.

You're right there at the goal line.

You get a punch out.

And now you're down again.

And guess what, Ocho?

If I take the field goal,

it's 23-20.

Next score wins the ball, wins the game.

And the 49ers are getting the ball back.

Now, you can say, well, they might fumble it.

Nah, I'm not taking that chance.

I'm down there.

I believe in my offensive line.

and, and, but look, Robert Sala, guess right.

He sold out on that side, and they stuffed him.

I mean, it wasn't even close, Ocho.

I mean, they ain't even, I mean, as soon as it happened, bam, bam, guess what?

49ers start spilling out on the field.

They know it.

I mean, the Rams ain't no, I would, hey, let's get a measurement.

The Fish is already like, it's over.

Going the other way.

Hey, these quarterbacks were dealing tonight, Ocho.

Matt Jones, 33 of 49, 342, two touchdowns, no interceptions.

Matthew Stafford, 30 of 47, 389, three touchdowns, no interceptions.

I mean, it really was a clean game with the exception of that one fumble by Kyron Williams.

That probably is no way to know, but it didn't help them.

No.

I tell you what, we can't say it cost them the game, Mocho, but it damn sure did not help them win the game.

And the 49ers have to feel good.

Losing a game like they lost on Sunday on a short week.

You're down Purdy.

You're down all these guys.

Bosa is not coming back.

Look at all the guys that they had injured tonight.

And to have guys step up and rise to the occasion and play as well as they did on a very, very short week.

Look, I understand, Ocho.

It's not like they had to go cross country.

Look, California, but still, you get a short day,

a day less to work because you have to travel.

But I thought the 49ers,

given the totality of the situation that they're in, I thought they played extremely well tonight, Ocho.

And I think Kyle Shanahan should be very, very proud of his ball club club because they did play well tonight and they found a way to get a win against a division opponent.

Yeah.

Not only should Kyle Shanahan be proud of his ball club, he needs to take a bow himself with the play calling, some of the stuff he did, with all the injuries that you just talked about that have mounted up.

No Ricky Purcell, no Brandon Ayuk, no George Kittle.

From all Jawan Jennings is out.

Jawan Jennings is out.

And the

Bosa is not coming back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

But from an offensive standpoint, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

brother kendrick bourne brother kendrick bourne i know you're gonna see this career a career night oh yo salute on a career night obviously you had some drops last game to have a short week and come back and rebound and for one for mac jones to be able to have the confidence to keep getting and feeding you the ball come and and another thing i want to talk about the quarterback situation tonight's game is a perfect example of the definition of next man up.

When you look at a game like tonight and see what Mac Jones is doing, having a resurgence in his career, which is why I also think where quarterbacks go, situation matters.

We saw Mac Jones do it tonight.

We see Daniel Jones do it in Indianapolis.

We're seeing

Baker Mayfield do it over there in

goddamn in Tampa Bay.

Sam Donald going from Minnesota to Seattle and still doing it now.

I think where quarterbacks go and what they have surrounding them, including those calling the plays, is so important to a quarterback success.

The most.

Yeah, and that dude, they look really good.

This is a really, really good game.

The Rams didn't really help themselves either with some of the drops, some of the mistakes, some of the fumbles.

But hey,

this was probably one of the better, one of the better Thursday night games we've gotten so far.

The quarterbacks were dealing.

Ocho, look, you know, I'm not big on hyperbole.

And I said this at the time.

Yes, sir.

I thought the 49ers should have drafted Mac Jones.

Because it's hard for me to, I really can't, I really can't differentiate between the two.

Are you trying to tell me that you believe if Kyle, if Matt Jones had been in this system for the entirety of his career?

Because we saw what he did when he had

Josh McDaniels.

We saw what he did.

Year one.

Yeah.

And

took the team to the playoffs with a Pro Bowl player.

Are you telling me if he has Kyle Shanahan for four years, he's not as good, if not better, than Brock Purdy?

And guess what?

If you take,

I get why they didn't, because when you look, when you look at a guy, nothing jumps off off at you.

He doesn't have Lamar Jackson's speed.

He doesn't have Josh Allen's height.

He doesn't have Patrick Mahomes' arm.

So why would we take a quarterback that really, Ocho, is just, he's average with the third pick in the draft.

But what you wouldn't have had to do is give up all the draft compensation.

So imagine, as well as they do drafting, what you can put around it.

And guess what?

Even if he doesn't pan out, Ocho, you go back and you get you another quarterback.

Or you could go back and get you another quarterback.

And still, guess what?

You don't have to spend damn near $300 million.

Me personally,

I believe Matt Jones in this system,

I'm not talking about in this system with Kyle Shanahan, think about all the pieces that he had, Ocho.

Oh, yeah.

When he has Kittle, when he has Debo, when he has IU, when he has Jennings, when he had Christian McCaffrey, and he got Trent Williams

playing Trent, not this guy that's beat up.

He's trying to work himself back in the conditioning and in the form.

It's hard for me to believe that Mac Jones is not as good,

if not better than Purdy.

And for me, I would have taken him,

but I understand why they didn't because the measurables, when you look at him, Ocho, you're like...

That is not the third pick in the draft.

And you draft took a guy with the third pick in the draft because of the measurables.

But it was the seventh round draft pick that really saved kyle shanahan and john lynch's job yeah because you give up that kind of compensation ojo and that guy doesn't work out and he didn't work out right you're gone yeah what you think you think what you think do you think do you think mac jones purdy similar purdy is better substantially better a little bit marginally better what you think

it's hard to really decipher between the two on who's better or not because when brock purdy is in there he's a rhythm and time and quarterback as well when mac jones is in there he's a rhythm and time timing quarterback.

Well, both suit the system very well.

Really

not dual threat quarterback.

Hell no, they ain't no dual threat.

They are your typical system West Coast type offensive quarterbacks that are dropped back sometimes in the shotgun and they deliver everything off of timing.

And they make great throws and they're accurate.

They're accurate enough.

What they lack in being able to

escape the pocket or use their legs running, they make up for in other areas.

And I think they both.

Go ahead and finish your thought.

No, I I was just going to say they both play well doing exactly what's asked of them in that specific system.

When

you're not that big as far as physical size, Ocho,

6'4, you don't have rocket arm, you don't have Lamar Jackson mobility or Michael Vicks' mobility, you have to have great anticipatory skills.

Yes.

Look at Joe Montana.

Joe was not overwhelming.

Didn't have the big time arm.

He wasn't the greatest athlete, but his anticipation skills were tremendous.

Brock Purdy, great anticipatory skills.

Matt Jones, great anticipatory skills, because you got to be, because you don't have the ball to wait.

You've got to get the ball out.

You have to anticipate where the guy's going to be.

And like, you know what?

Have the trust.

I trust the system.

I trust the guy that I'm throwing to that he's going to be where he's supposed to be.

I understand the defense.

I know where I'm vulnerable.

I know where guys are going to disperse to.

I can let this ball go.

That's just me.

You can't convince me that Brock Purdy is substantially better than Mac Jones.

I refuse to believe that.

And I believe in the same circumstances, if I had Mac Jones with Kyle Shanahan, I believe whatever fate the 49ers had gone through over the last four years, that same fate would have happened to them with Matt Jones, don't you?

Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Because what we saw, the small sample of Mac Jones right now,

since Brock Purdy's been out, it's been the exact same.

The offense has been efficient.

The offense is up and down the field.

They put up points and it showed the night to where

next man up.

That's why I said to start the show off is this was the definition of next man up and not missing the beat.

Now, I wish other teams were able to do what we're seeing tonight from the 49ers.

Hell, like, hell, we got the goddamn Detroit Lions here.

in Cincinnati at Pecor Stadium.

When Joe Burrow goes down, I wish we still had the same type of success they had tonight, where you don't miss a beat just because your quarterback goes down.

But unfortunately, it's a little different.

It's a little different from you.

Yeah, because your guy ain't that good.

And I tried to tell you that.

And

you got the Bengals fan, your Bengal, you got them all hype.

I trust Jake.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Slow down.

Slow down.

There are other.

elements.

I don't want you to talk about no other team.

As a matter of fact, why are you talking?

I don't want you to say foot

or ball.

You got another week.

You can still got, let's see, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Oh, and if you don't win on Sunday, it's another week.

You know what?

I got a question for you.

What?

You understand how the football guards work.

You know, when it comes to the game of football in the NFL, it's week to week.

Well, this ain't going to be y'all week.

This ain't going to be y'all week.

What happens if, just, I'm just hypothetically speaking, chat, those in the chat, hypothetically speaking, what happened if the Bengals shocked the world and beat the Lions?

If a dog had a square butt, he pooped blocks, but it's round, so we know how it will come out, don't we?

Don't we know what come out?

Don't y'all?

I'm just saying.

I could be optimistic.

I could be optimistic.

Now, I'm not saying we're going to win.

I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the football, if the football gods decide to shock the world, I'm just saying.

Nah, he busy that day.

He ain't going to be watching.

I promise you, God ain't no Bengal fan.

He ain't watching that game.

He ain't watching that mascara at Paycourt Stadium.

Now, hey, listen, I don't know about masculine.

We're going to put up a fight.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

If the fate is the same, what does it matter?

I mean, listen,

I got to have some type of, I think we're going to be all right.

I believe in us.

That's all that matters.

There's a reason I'm in town.

I done had that pep talk with them boys.

I think we're going to be all right.

Mac Jones, after the game, was asked after the game about playing Hobble.

He replied, I'm good.

I just can't show it.

That's on me.

I'll be fine.

That's what happens when you don't practice for a couple of weeks.

So that's my fault.

You know, look,

it's hard for quarterbacks.

There are other positions, Ocho

that can miss practice and you can't tell when they get into a game.

Right.

It's hard for a quarterback.

That's why a lot of quarterbacks like to wear their pads, Ocho.

Hey, they tell us to take our pads off.

We can't wait.

We can't wait to leave them more foes in the locker room.

Quarterbacks like to throw with their pads because guess what they're gonna throw with their pads they're gonna have so they want the same feel they want the same rhythm as if they're throwing right with pads because that's how they're gonna throw in the game yeah and so uh uh mag's like you know what his fighting senses probably wasn't tingling look at the next four games ocho week six at bucks then week seven at home uh home to the falcons week eight at Texans, week nine at the Giants.

So it's not like they got an easy schedule coming up.

Now, I I don't know how long Brock Purdy is going to be out, but they look, they got 10 days.

So that's a long time for Purdy.

He was out this week, Ocho.

So he gets, he got an extra, you know, he basically got two weeks because he hadn't, you know, probably done anything since Sunday's game.

Mac Jones, he gets 10 days because they're off until, you know, they don't play Sunday, obviously.

They play a week from Sunday.

So they get ample time to get some of the guys, some of these guys that's banged up, Ocho.

They get an opportunity to get them back healthy.

Uh, you see, Mike Jones fit.

We got that, uh, we got that, uh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that red, that red with a little burgundy in there.

Yeah, let's see, what, let's see his fit.

Can we pull that video?

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I like that.

I like that.

I like that, Matt.

As clean as he looked, that's exactly how he played.

He played his ass off tonight.

Played exactly like that.

He scared me a little bit when he went down.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he grabbed

what?

Yeah, no, he grabbed his knee brace, Ocho.

Yeah, I thought it was pinching him a little bit.

Yes, yes.

That's the time when you get tackled, the goddamn knee brace starts pinching you.

So when they're pulling this calf, I'm like, what?

It must be

either the knee brace is pinching pinching him or he cramping one or the other.

Yeah.

And

the little calves he got,

that wouldn't even hurt nothing.

Because he got, first of all, he got a knee brace on.

So that calf is not as strong as what it needs to be because he wears that knee brace, Ocho.

You know what I'm saying?

You got to build strength back up in that calf in order for it to.

But

he played his tail off.

I mean, both quarterbacks played well.

Don't get me wrong.

Both quarterbacks played well.

My concerns with the 49ers, Ocho, without both in the game, they really couldn't generate no pressure.

Pressure, yeah, they really couldn't generate any pressure.

And the last thing you want a guy like Matthew Stafford to have is time.

Yeah, and because he was dealing, man, he was whoo.

That joke could throw that.

Oh, you can he throw it or what?

I'm like, take that back.

I want to play with Matthew Stafford.

We keep talking about Shadows.

You can come back and play.

And we keep talking about Mahomes and Burrow and Herbert and Allen and this one.

Man, give me more Folman Stafford.

Why y'all out there bumping him?

You talk about, you got to think now.

Matthew Stafford is a legitimate gunslinger.

It's only about four, four, maybe four quarterbacks in the league right now that have the kind of ball Matt Stafford throws with that kind of velocity and can make any throw on the field.

Any throw.

Even though Aaron Rodgers is old, he's one of them.

Matt Stafford is another.

I'm trying to think, gunslinger, gunslinger.

You see, the difference, see, when I think of gunslingers, I think guys that'll take unnecessary risks.

That's really not what Aaron Rodgers is.

Now, Aaron Rodgers can make every throw.

Matthew Stafford can make every throw.

Change arm angles.

Both guys can change arm angles.

But sometimes if you look at the interceptions for Matthew Stafford, you look at the interception for Aaron Rodgers and you'll see a vast difference because Rodgers was really never willing to take unnecessary risk.

Matthew Stafford, he believed he could throw a football through a keyhole.

He damn sure.

How are you going to get a football through a keyhole?

Let me show you.

And he would try it.

Now, he's gotten better.

Now, can you imagine what he would have been had he had Sean McVay his whole career?

But he can throw it, Ocho.

I mean, he can flat spend the ball.

And now, I expect him, when I watch the game, I want to see one time where he look over here and throw the ball over there.

Wait a minute.

He did that against you.

He didn't do it tonight.

No, he did it tonight.

He didn't do it tonight.

I remember he did it against the Bengals in the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Oh, he did it.

He did it two weeks in a row.

And he's running down the fields because he's mic'd up don't look at my eyes don't look at my eyes right right don't effing look at my eyes right

but hey but this was this

i think when the nfl envisioned look they tried to they try to make these games division match divisional matchup ocho so they're really close nobody's having to go a great distance right you don't want somebody on the west coast having to go east all the way to the right right right east coast having to go west or you let it be close proximity uh it's already tough enough playing.

I can just imagine because I didn't really start to feel good till Friday.

So I can imagine playing a game on Sunday, then turning around and playing a damn another game on Thursday.

And especially as you got older, Ocho, it took longer and longer to get that old man up out of here.

To recover.

Yeah.

But

this was an

unbelievable ball game.

Thank you, NFL.

Thank you, Rams.

Thank you, 49ers, because you guys played your ass off on a very, very short week.

This is the type of games that we want to see on a Thursday.

Not some bull jive, you know, hey,

this is what this is what we're looking for, yo.

See, Mac, final stats, he had 22 carries, 57 yards, eight receptions for 82 yards, 30 touches, almost 140, 40 yards of total offense.

And that's what he gives you, his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield.

You can line him up in the slot.

You can line him up out wide.

Obviously, you know, you can hand him the ball.

He can run between the tackles.

And people like, I was like, guys, if you've watched Stanford's offense, why are you going going to be surprised that he can run the ball between the tackles?

Because that was a pro offense.

He ran between the tackles.

That's what he ran.

They ran counter and power all the time in Stanford.

He's not a, look, I understand he's small in stature.

You look at a guy who is probably 5'8, maybe 205, but don't let that fool you.

He runs behind his pass.

Yes.

I mean,

the amount of touches that he has, Ocho, yeah, I mean, the body's going to break down because, like I said, he's not Derrick Henry.

He's not 245, 250.

He's not one of these bruising bats, but he can run with power.

Obviously, he can run with speed.

He can catch the football.

I mean, he's multi-talented.

But I'm not surprised that he had the success or he's having the success that he's had in the NFL based on what I saw him do in college, which was run between the tackles.

And because that's what you want to see, because it's hard to just make a living in the NFL, OJo, just running outside the tackle.

You have to run in that box.

You got to.

And most of the time, especially with a running back like Christian McCaffrey, he can manipulate the first man and not allow him to get a clean hit most of the time.

And he's falling forward.

I remember when Barry was coming out, there's like he's a little undersized.

I said, Well, who's gonna hit him, though?

I hate, I hate, I hate those.

I like to be like you, we have never seen anything like Barry, though.

I mean, I understand what they're saying, Ocho, because we had never seen anything like Barry.

We've never seen a guy like that that ran that style.

Man, your coach, you cut, boy, stop all that dancing.

No, hit the hole, hit the hole.

For whatever reason, they allow Barry Sanders to beat Barry Sanders.

And I remember Baron Switzerland told a story.

Thurman Thomas was the starting running back in front of Barry.

Right.

And Barry Swisser said, look, don't hurt the starter because the backup, you don't want to play against the backup.

Right.

Who says don't hurt the starter because the backup, and they didn't.

Go back and look at what he did against.

Oh, you go back, man, Barry, oh Joe, Barry have games of 300.

Yeah.

If you held Barry to 170 yards, you would.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Because you lucky you don't get three.

That's crazy.

That man had 27, 2,600 yards

in 12 games, 11 games.

Oh, that's.

You're never going to see that again.

Yeah, we've seen nothing like that.

There have been glimpses of players with the same skill set.

Yes.

LaShawn McCoy.

Yes.

Not as explosive because Barry could do all that and he get up out of there.

And be gone.

B.

John Robinson has a bit of that lateral movement.

You know, he makes people miss, but it's not like Barry.

Barry was a two-foot Barry.

He was a two-foot Ocho.

He would jump and start with two feet.

And come to balance in two feet.

Yep.

And going again.

And get up out of there.

Barry was looking to...

Barry would lose.

He would make a three-yard loss look like the most beautiful 22-yard game you've ever seen in your life.

You're like, oh, boy, you'll see Barry.

Man, it's second and 13.

Don't worry about that.

Don't even worry.

Oh, Joe, don't worry about that.

Don't worry about it.

But did you see that run?

Man, he shook eight people.

It should have been a loss of 15.

He only lost three.

Could you imagine?

Could you imagine Barry Sanders right now with an offensive line like

Philly?

God ain't finna give you all of that, Ocho.

Dang.

If you wanted that man to have the Cowboys offensive line, the Emmett ran behind.

Oh, my God.

That wouldn't be fair.

No.

And he probably wouldn't know what to do.

Barry was used to running and ain't had no blocking.

So he wouldn't know what to do.

Barry, like, man,

I'm supposed to run through there.

Yeah, if you want to.

But no, I thought Christian McCaffrey played well.

I thought everybody for the 49ers played well.

This was a really clean game with the exception of the punch out.

And sometimes, Ocho, you know it comes down.

When you do something, all turnovers are not created equal.

When you turn the ball over is

the most important thing.

Where you turn the ball over is the second most important thing.

So with that being said, man, you look, I feel bad because Kyron Williams has turned himself into a very good running back.

He can run it out of the backfield.

He reminds you a lot of Christian McCaffrey because he can do a lot of the same things, Ocho.

He can run it.

He can run inside.

He can run outside.

He can catch it.

You see, he caught a couple of touchdowns,

but that turnover, and then they got that late stop.

So it was a very clean game.

I love the way the game was played.

The referees, I didn't see a whole, I didn't feel anything that I feel like I should get out of.

Like, damn, ref, you should have let them play with that.

I thought the refs.

the refs called things that were there, but let them play.

The quarterbacks were exceptional.

Really a clean game with the exception of that one turnover.

So there's really nothing to be mad about on a Thursday night game.

This to get this kind of performance from the two teams.

I think, I think, look, I understand if you're a Rams fan, you're disappointed your team lost.

And the 49ers, you're excited your team won.

But as a fan of the National Football League, I think everybody wins tonight.

And

again, tonight, I have to give another salute to Kendrick Bourne.

Boy, you look good, boy.

You look good.

The definition of next man up.

uh yeah ocho but that you know the thing is it's hard for me to believe that uh uh uh he was with wasn't he with the uh

the patriots yeah new england it's hard for me to believe they got four better receivers than him uh but but you got to think about this

situation matters yeah schemes matter The play calling matters.

Now

you got a new staff in there.

Yeah, you're missing some of your key players.

Juwan Jennings is out.

Rico Percell, I'm not sure if I'm saying this his last name right.

I'm butchering his last name.

He's out.

Brandon Ayuka's out.

Next man up.

And when the opportunity presents itself, even with the drop tonight, he still had a career night.

And I hope he continues to build on that.

Next week, maybe they give him a little bit more.

Maybe they give him.

Well, hell, I don't.

Is Jennings coming back?

Is IU coming back?

I mean, you ain't got no choice.

Oh, not now.

Yeah, not

coming back soon.

so with that being said on your head they ain't got no choice and but like you said sometimes it comes down to an a situation where you're getting opportunities yeah how many opportunities did he have in new england and who did he have trying to get in the ball now drake may was a rookie and and drake may has gotten better and towards the end of the year he got better last year and he's playing really well this year thus far but being in a situation like this Kyle, one thing, Kyle knows how to get the ball to guys.

That's something that his dad could always do.

Look, when you got, you know, you have Jerry and then you deal with me, and you deal with Rod, you have Brandon Marshall.

So you know how to get the ball to hot receivers and know how to feature them, put them in situations where they can win.

And that what, that's what it was tonight, Ocho.

He got put into a situation.

And

hey, throw the ball to K.

Hey, there'll be a situation because I can hear, hey, throw the ball to 84.

Yeah.

So he's telling, hey, you know, Kyle's in his ear.

What we, hey, I don't have Kittle.

I don't have

Pearsall.

Prissel, what is it?

Prisale or Pearsall?

Prince?

Priso?

I'm going to call him.

I'm going to call him RP until I talk to him and get his name right.

Pearsall, yeah.

Pearsall.

And so that's the thing, though, Ocho.

But if you go back and look,

Kyle has made some really, really

marginal quarterbacks look really, really good.

Good.

Really good.

You can imagine what he does when he has somebody.

I could just imagine, I don't even want to think about it.

Mac Jones finished the game with 49 49 pass attempts.

That's the most by nineteen quarterbacks since C.J.

Bethard had 54 in 2018.

Mac, after the game, Kyle came up to me before the game and he was pissed how we were underdog.

So he was like, just let it fly.

And I was like, Coach, you don't have to tell me twice.

The Rams were favored by eight and a half points.

Quarterbacks with at least three wins and zero losses this season.

The only three.

Did you hear what I said?

Josh Allen,

Jalen Hurts.

Yeah.

Matt Jones.

You heard what you just said.

I want you to think about what you just said.

The Rams were favored by how much?

Eight and a half.

Who won the game tonight?

49ers.

Now, I don't mean to fast forward to Sunday.

How much are the Lions favored by?

Not enough.

I'm just saying.

Now you see where I'm going with this?

You lying.

You're going to go to hell.

Cause you have to give a count for these lies, you tell it.

Hey, chat, don't y'all listen to Ocho?

Don't y'all go put your, don't y'all put y'all go put y'all money down on the bingo.

I'm not saying, I ain't saying nothing about no betting.

I ain't saying nothing about no putting no money.

But I'm just saying, you see how the football guard showed up?

The football guard showed up and said, the hell you don't.

First of all, Jake Browner ain't Mac Jones.

Let's start with that.

Your defense isn't the 49ers.

Let's start.

Let's continue continue with that.

And third of all, third and most important of all,

ain't nobody going to confuse Zach Taylor with Kyle Shanahan.

Let's just state that.

There's three simple facts.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait.

You get a little too hostile.

You get a little, calm down.

You get a little too hostile.

Let's wait and see what happens Sunday now.

Just wait and see.

Because every time I go to a game,

since since i really

disappointed every time i go to a game we win now

take with that what you need and what you will don't take nothing from that chat don't y'all listen to ocho they ain't never lost a game when i'm in town okay

you're gonna be putting stuff in your mama's name

The Lions are favored by 10 and a half.

Not enough.

All right.

Sean McVay spoke on his game losing fourth down decision.

It was a bad call.

It was a bad call by me.

I'm sick right now because I put our players in an ishy spot and I've got to live with that.

I mean, most people, Ocho, third on the yard, most people say, because here's the thing.

If you throw it, Ocho, what is everybody going to say?

Man, why don't you get a ball to Kyron Williams?

A yard?

You can't get a yard?

Okay, to get a ball to Kyron Williams.

Man, Matthew Stafford was dealing.

Why didn't you let Matthew Stafford throw?

Come on, man.

You know how this thing go, Ocho.

If you run it and don't get it, you should have thrown it.

You throw it and don't get it, you should have run it.

Either way, I like the call because

with McVay making a call like that, he's telling his players one thing.

I believe in y'all.

I believe in you.

I believe who we have

can get that, get us that one yard.

That's what the players think.

Forget what everybody thinks on the outside.

If we get it, we don't.

You know what?

I coach believe in this.

Well, he's going for it on fourth one

instead of kicking the field goal.

Man, nah, players like that.

Play.

Do you know how them players feel about Dan Campbell going for it on fourth and four?

Yeah.

Three, fourth and two, fourth and one.

Oh, hell, man.

We run through a goddamn brick wall for him.

Man, please.

You like knowing that your coach has confidence in you and that, you know, what, hey, guys, you guys are going to get it.

Y'all going to back me up.

Absolutely.

And that's the thing.

Your coach, you know, when bro, we were in Baltimore and Brian talking crazy and he going back and forth with jeff fisher he going back and forth with coach coward uh uh at pittsburgh

he talked he put it out there we got to go back it up man yeah y'all heard the man say he talking okay

and i i i i i i did love that that's the one thing that you're there's a lot to love about baltimore because it was great i had a great time in baltimore my two years wish it could have been longer but I didn't care.

They don't try to change nothing about you.

Just play hard.

Talk as much as you want to talk, but just realize now.

Come Sunday now, you got to back up what you said.

Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, talk all you want to, you can't.

Get into whoever time out, time out, time out.

What team you talking about?

The Ravens.

You mean the Ravens that's one and three right now?

Oh man, I talking not when I was there.

Hold on, I don't know nothing about these Ravens.

I talked about when I was there.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You still part of the team, right?

You've been hooping and hollering about the Ravens, and they won and three.

The same Ravens that lost the other night, Bronco Country, baby.

You hey, listen, you can't say foot or ball or say anything related to anything.

Ravens, I get to say that because my team beat your team.

Who

don't do that?

Oh, now you don't know who you played for.

Oh, we beat you that bad game, you and me.

Hold on, are you talking about the Broncos?

Yes.

Well, listen, we don't want to hear no old stories about the Ravens today.

Win the game.

Well, you can't say no.

I tell you what, guess what?

You won't be able to share no stories for another week.

I mean, listen, we'll see about that.

We will, we're another week and another one.

We'll see about that.

Okay.

One thing about me, I got faith.

I got faith.

Who?

Me.

You dated somebody named Faith?

I don't know nobody but Faith, but Faith Evans.

How you doing?

All right.

We'll see.

We'll see.

I want everybody, probably everybody in the chat probably laughing, saying, oh, the Bengals don't got no chance.

Okay, we'll see.

We'll see.

Oh, Joe, Dylan Gabriel made an interesting comment yesterday when talking about becoming Brown's new queet QB1.

Let's take a listen to what Gabriel had to say.

I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus.

And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But

you wait for the perfect time, you know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

Wait for the perfect time.

You'll be waiting a lifetime.

I like that.

Because when you do, you get your moments and your opportunities.

Sometimes the ideal situation is never perfect.

It's never perfect.

The ideal situation that you envision in your head to get the opportunity is never going to be how you envision it.

And that's exactly what it is.

Sometimes there are adversity.

Sometimes there are obstacles that you have to climb to get said opportunities.

And for him, it hasn't been perfect.

Hey, man, my light, my light just went out.

Well, thank you.

Was talking about him waiting a lifetime.

The reports didn't come out that he's told a team not to draft him.

I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't coincide with what he said and having to do anything with 12.

I, I don't.

Yeah, no, it's hard to even, no, not even close.

Not even close?

Nah, not even close.

No.

That's in a sense.

I get, you know.

That would be, almost be reaching a little bit.

That's to me, nah.

So, but I'm trying to figure out how you feel.

Why would he say if you wait for the perfect time, you have to wait a lifetime?

Well, come on, huh?

And that's a young man.

I'm just asking.

We can't, we can't.

That's his words.

That's what he came up with.

That might be a saying.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I still don't, I don't coincide with he's saying and having to do anything but

it's your door i look

is it ever going to be perfect on joe

i mean all things being equal you'd like for the dolphins to draft you all that be like man let me go home i want to play for the dolphins or i want to go play with somebody got a quarterback yada yada yada

But look, and I get it.

Quarterbacks are different because normally you get a quarterback and he's good.

He's going to be there for a period of time and you got to, you know, you got to wait and hope everything happened.

I mean,

ideally, let me ask you a question: ideally, yeah, do you think Tom Brady,

given the choice, wanted to go to New England after they had just given May Drew Blessed the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL?

He had just signed a six-year, $100 million deal deal.

Yeah, you think that was the ideal situation for Tom Brady?

Absolutely not.

What happened?

He got hurt.

Drew got hurt.

Drew got hurt.

And guess what happened?

it wasn't the ideal situation and it wasn't perfect he made it ideal bingo and the same thing same joe flacco's not playing well not the ideal situation because maybe the ideal situation is i drafted in the third round and i beat joe flacco out in training camp and i'm the starter week one right that's the ideal perfect situation

I don't believe they're going to let anybody.

Look, it's been reported they wanted Kenny Pickett to win the job and gabriel will be second shador be third i don't ever think there was going to be a situation ocho that a rookie was going to beat joe flacco out i don't know i i i didn't either based on

hey listen i i didn't either but again the way to go on who you start with is you start with the veteran who has experience and when the bottom falls out then you make a change the bottom fell out they made a change right

man should have got i could have told him the bottom was gonna fall out yeah at some point The bucket was rusty anyway.

You talk about the bottom fell out of the hell.

The bucket rusty.

What the hell you think was going to happen to the bottom?

Look,

at the end of the day, Shador needed to make the best decision for him.

You might not agree with what he did.

He should just be happy that somebody was going to take him.

X, Y, and Z.

I get it, Ocho.

I get all.

I do.

I honestly get all of that.

Because normally when we come out, Ocho, we just happy to get drafted.

Really, I am.

I didn't care what, man.

Really, the Bengals, the Patriots, the Colts, anybody could have drafted me.

I got drafted to the NFL.

That was the start of the journey.

Yeah.

I mean, sometimes people get drafted, don't you?

They say, oh, yeah.

No, bro, your journey just started.

You ain't never been to the NFL.

I don't know if your dream, my

dream was not to just get, was not to be drafted.

My dream was to get to the NFL and play.

Right.

Being drafted is just half the process.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Also, you have to think.

Now,

let's use a little

common common sense.

My chances,

if I'm Shador,

I don't want to go to Baltimore.

You ain't going to see the field.

You're not seeing the field for the next 10, one, two, three, four, five, six.

The next 10, 11 years, it's going to be the Mar Jackson show.

I know a guy that went to New England when Tom Brady was at his apex named Jimmy Garoppolo.

Played a few games, played good enough.

And then what happened?

On your tell the people at home that don't know that wasn't around when jimmy garoppolo got drafted to the new england patriots and tom brady got suspended because you never know because

there's only been one omnipotent one yeah the all-knowing yes tell the people at home what happened jimmy garoppolo got drafted to the new england patriots there's an unforeseen that we could not have possibly known right tell the people i want you to take the story over from there Hold on, I forgot the story.

You got to bring me up to speed.

Jimmy Garoppolo gets drafted to the New England Patriots.

Yes.

Tom Brady gets suspended for four games.

Jimmy Garoppolo played well enough to say, guess what happened, Ocho?

The 49ers traded a second-round pick to get Jimmy G.

Okay.

Now, Lamar Jackson is hurt.

If Shadura Sanders is there, guess who's going to get in the game right now, Ocho?

Shadura Sanders.

If you play well enough, because you know you're not going to keep the job from Lamar Jackson.

You play well enough, guess what happens, Ocho?

Tell the people what could possibly happen yeah he could probably get traded somewhere somebody willing to give up picks for him

and you get

you get to a situation that you always wanted because

go ahead or

the cards that you were dealt i'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else

i'm gonna take my chances going but let me stay with me now go ahead i'm with you i'm gonna take my chances going somewhere else where the odds are stacked against me those obstacles and those hurdles, that adversity that I've always had to overcome in life,

I'm going to do it the hard way.

I got to say, I got to wait and wait my turn.

Because

he's going to get his opportunity, young.

Guess what else is stacked against you?

What's that?

The talent in Cleveland versus the talent in Baltimore.

Because when Jimmy Garoppolo went to New England, guess who he was throwing to?

Danny Amendola.

Guess who else?

Julian Edelman.

Guess who else?

Rod Bronkowski.

Guess who he would be handing the ball off to?

Derrick Henry.

Guess who he'd be throwing to?

Mark Andrews.

Guess who else?

Rashad Bateman?

Guess who else?

Hollywood.

Nate Flowers.

Nate Flowers.

Now, let me ask you another question.

Who would you rather be throwing the ball to?

The guys in Cleveland or the guys in Baltimore?

Who would you rather hand the ball off to?

Derrick Henry or the guy in Cleveland?

I'm just asking.

I don't know.

I mean, you might like it.

Wait, I hear you.

I hear you.

It sounds good.

That would be the ideal situation.

But would it, what did Dylan Gabriel just say?

I don't have the ideal situation.

The situation, I mean, was not perfect, but when I

played.

Hold on, hold on.

Can we rewrite that and play that again?

Can we rewrite that situation?

I smile because it's

a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for.

Also got to realize that it's extreme focus.

And that's what I've continued to harp on.

But

you wait for the perfect time.

You know, you're going going to wait a whole lifetime.

So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment.

If you wait for the perfect time.

So I'm Shadur and I'm in Baltimore.

So I'm waiting on Lamar to get hurt because that's the perfect time.

What you waiting for in Baltimore?

What you waiting for in Cleveland?

You waiting for Joe Flacco to mess up.

So either way, whichever place you go to, you're still waiting on the perfect time.

You're still waiting on the ideal situation where you can get in there and do what you do.

Regardless of what's surrounding you, you still got to do what you got to do.

Right.

When you get in the morning, hey, for one, you know what?

You know what's funny?

Is you can't focus on what's around you.

You can only focus on what you need to do.

You got to do what you need to do, regardless of whether you have a great supporting cast or not.

Whether I got Derrick Henry or not, whether I got Zay Flowers or I got

Derrick Henry in the background, I got to do what I got to do and hand the ball off to

Jukins, right?

Jukkins.

Jukkins, yeah.

Jukins.

I got to get the ball to Jerry, Jerry Judy.

I got to get the ball to Unjuku.

Whatever I got to work with, that hand I got.

But when you play blackjack, they give you your hand.

Right.

I'm trying to beat the dealer.

That's it.

I got what I got.

I guess I got.

Man, you gave me 14.

I guess what you got?

You got a nine.

I got to hit it.

Hey, that's the beautiful.

Hey, that's the beautiful thing about life, though, huh?

it.

We all envision getting the perfect hand, but sometimes the cards that God deal us, they ain't perfect.

He knows, but he ain't gonna give us 21 every time.

No, and sometimes you might have 21 and the dealer got 21, and you'll be like, and you didn't take no insurance out.

Hey, listen, nothing, it's a push.

Oh, you got oh, you like, oh, yeah, I got 20, and then he flip over blackjack.

So, you're right, there are, there are no, look, there there are no perfect scenarios.

Yeah.

We make

whatever it is, we make the best out.

Because there have been times, hey, you got, hey, you got eight, you got 10, you get three, you get a five, you get another three, 21.

Yeah.

Like, damn, I don't know how I got, I don't know how I made that hand.

Yeah.

And that's what Shador is going to have to do.

Okay, he's going to have to wait a couple of more weeks.

Dylan Gabriel is in there now.

And

they're going to give him, you know, three to five weeks

yeah hey listen i i hope i hope he does well i do too i don't i look i look i can't i can't wish bad oh

i've been in that situation ocho i was the third hold on clarence k orson burger i was the fourth tight end ocho

god

fourth

every tight end on the roster got hurt hold on you was fourth

fourth

first of all i was the receiver ocho first of all i was the receiver i was the fifth receiver so that's why I was the fifth receiver.

Yes.

Hey, you were sorry.

Hey, I was a special team, man.

I was special teams, Ocho.

That's my job.

Give them a good look at practice.

Right.

Special teams, go down there and do what I need to do.

Yeah.

How everybody, all the tight ends get hurt.

Yeah.

I'm the biggest wide receiver.

But at that point in time, Ocho, I'm already down.

I came in.

I weighed 221.

By that time, I'm like 212.

What tight end you, what wide receiver, you know, Ocho, can go play a tight end, even in today's game when they don't really block like that at 212.

Yeah, that's very undersized.

That's very undersized.

Hell, I did shit when I came in this movie.

I was 212.

So it was a situation like, and when Dan, they sent for me to come talk to Dan.

I think I'm going to get cut.

Come, Ocho, and coach calls you.

They say, hey, Dan, I want to see you in his office.

And you just had a meeting.

What you, man?

I'm going to tell my, what I'm gonna tell Olivia, what I'm gonna tell Specky.

Damn,

everybody at Battle just oh, everything going through my head.

Yeah, I know.

I know them ends and back home.

Gonna be, yeah, I told you, I know it wasn't gonna last long.

He could tell I was nervous.

Oh, Joe, I'm

that's a good man,

coach.

Hey, Shannon, come on in.

No, I'm good.

I can hear y'all here.

Hey.

He said, he said,

what do you think about switching positions?

We think about moving you to tight end.

I said,

okay.

He said,

I said,

you're going to throw me the ball.

He's like, yeah, you know, you got to learn to play.

But yeah,

we'll get you the ball.

I said, okay.

Ocho, my heart was beating so fast.

Yeah.

So, hey,

now

I ain't in the wide receiver meetings no more.

I'm with the tight end.

Tight ends, yeah.

And just like that, halfway through the season, boom.

Exit interview, Ocho.

We were 5 and 11 that year.

Yeah.

He's, hey,

Coach Reed, tell me I go to his office.

He said, you did really good.

But, hey, we need you to get a little stronger, put a little weight on.

Yeah.

Hey, we think you could be really good.

We think you could be really good.

It's like, man, I was okay.

Bad, Ocho, baby, I hit the weight.

Man,

so that's what, hey, Shador, I don't know when this opportunity is going to present itself, but when it presents itself, and I'm sure your father has told you this: when the opportunity presents itself,

sometimes when opportunity presents itself, itself, Ocho, grumblers complain about the noise.

Don't worry about it.

Seize the moment, bro.

Oh, what that was you said?

Opportunity, when it knocks,

grumbler complains about the noise.

Man, who that knock?

That's opportunity.

Gone.

Don't worry about it.

Hold on.

You are Sanders.

Realize that.

Hang your hat on that.

All else fails.

Go back.

Who am I?

What am I?

How did I become this?

Where did I come from?

Hey, boy, that was a good one there, boy.

When opportunity presents itself, grumblers.

When opportunity knocks.

Oh, yeah, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock.

Hey, who that knocking on my door?

What you want?

That was opportunity.

Knocking.

And you complaining about the noise.

Oh, that's tough, huh?

Hey, that's like a battle rap bar right there.

I'm going to use that.

I'm going to use that.

That was a good one.

All right, Ojo, check this out.

CJ Stroud was asked about

improving explosiveness.

Yeah, just take a listen to what he had to say.

Okay.

Being 23, I'm not like fully in my grown man body all the way yet.

You know, I'm still growing every

year.

And I just think I got to just continue to be hard on myself about

not only just lifting weights, but eating the right foods.

Like, that's been a big thing, too.

So, yeah, that's just a thing where I think the explosiveness comes from being better on my diet, being better with,

you know, stretching.

And like,

I feel like I'm getting old.

So I got it.

I'm not, I'm not as quick as I used to be.

I was watching my high school stuff a couple of days ago.

I was like 180 and I was rolling.

Not no more.

But yeah, I try to just be better with that stuff so I can run fast.

All right.

You ain't playing.

I mean, it's hard for you to play 180.

Hey, you can't take them legs.

Nah, you can't.

But

I don't like what he said in the interview.

What did he say?

I don't like what he said in the interview.

I got to watch some of the things I eat.

I got to change the diet.

Let me finish.

Let me finish.

I got to change my diet, you know, and help.

No, the food you consume has nothing to do with your explosion.

When you were 180 in high school, of course you're faster.

So what you need to do in the offseason is you work your lower extremities.

You work your lower extremities to have that explosiveness where you felt much faster when you were 180 in high school.

Also, the competition you're playing against is much faster than the competition you played against when you're in high school.

So it makes you feel like you're not as quick or as fast or as explosive.

No, the people around you are that just that much faster.

That's all.

Ain't nothing wrong with you.

Boy, you're 23 years old, boy.

Don't let the people brainwash you too.

Talk about some diet.

I can make sure you never get hurt again.

You hear me?

Houston right down the street from me.

I'm a nutritionist.

I got a 17-week plan that'll take you out this world, boy.

Stop playing, man.

Don't let me know.

That 17-week plan will take you out of the league, CJ.

Don't you call, Locho.

Hey, C.A.

Stroud, I gotta, I gotta, I'm telling you, well, I'm a nutritionist, huh?

I got my license.

I'm a dietitian.

I got it, I got everything you need.

Anything you need.

Man, that man ain't got a driver's license.

He got a fishing license.

CJ Stroud, come holler at your boy in the offseason.

Don't holler at him, CJ.

Hey, all

man.

Say he got he old.

Man, Man, 23, boy.

If you old at 23, I sure hate to see you at 33.

He's mistaken.

He's mistaking how he looked in high school and how explosive he felt against the competition.

Yeah.

How many of them guys that you played against in high school in the NFL?

Because all the guys that you play against now in the NFL.

Hey, it's a different ballgame.

Hey,

you got Lyman, 300, 290, running 4-5, man.

Yep.

Yep.

Come on, man.

So, of course, you feel that way, but that's not it.

It's an illusion.

It's in your mind.

CJ Stroud, I can get you down to a 4-3.

I can get you down to a 4-3.

Come on down there to my track program.

He ain't getting down to a 4-3.

CJ, you're not getting down to 4-3.

I'm telling you, hey, I have CJ Stroud that are like, like, like Lamar Jackson.

No, you're not.

I need three months.

Because Lamar Jackson has been fast all his life.

cj stroud ain't been fast cj stroud been fast by his standards yeah but by being fast lamar jackson been fast his whole life lamar jackson was fast in high school he was fast in junior high school he was fast in college he fast in the nfl listen to me i'm not saying i can get him lamar jackson fast but i can get him in arm's reach and arm's length of being just as elusive, not as fast, but fast enough to where he he doesn't feel he's overwhelmed by the nfl talent that's on the end yeah victor with me yama's arm they this long

yeah yeah yeah

i'm telling you man

i'm telling you i got it i got a good program for all them boys no you don't

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