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Joe Flacco.

Yes.

But not for the Cleveland Browns, for your Cincinnati Bengal.

He will start Sunday at Green Bay.

Bengals head coach Zach Taylor announced Cincinnati successfully completed a rare intro division trade Tuesday.

They sent a 2026 fifth round draft pick to the Browns in exchange for Flacco and a 2026 sixth round draft pick.

This is how rare it's been.

I think in this century, only once, twice has it happened.

The New England Patriots traded Drew Bledsoe to the Buffalo Bills.

The Philadelphia Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Washington.

They were not the commanders at the time.

You know what they were, but he got traded intra-division.

So only three times as a quarterback that I can think of a trade like this going down.

Jake Brown, Harris Ocho.

Here's Jake Browning, who you said would go lead y'all to where y'all needed to go on his demotion.

Yeah.

okay uh

let's run down let's run down what happened joe flacco was traded um ocho's guy uh wasn't being able to jake browning was not being able to hold up to it because what was supposed to happen your backup is supposed to be able to keep you afloat until your starter comes back that's what a backup is supposed to do that didn't happen.

So the Cincinnati Bingles are like, look, we've got a lot of money invested in Chase and Higgins, and we gave $14 more million dollars to Trey Hendrickson.

So we need to try to maximize this.

We can't just give up on the season because our quarterback is not fulfilling his obligation, which is to keep us afloat to if and when Joe, excuse me, Joe Burrow came back.

Doesn't look like that was happening.

And so they made the move.

So Cleveland sent Joe Flacco in the 2026 sixth round draft pick and returns the bingles send them a 2026 fifth round draft pick we got it loaded now

um

we're getting it right for you guys right now uh how uh jake browning is taking his demotion uh from being the starter to now being the backup in cincinnati

are you are you pissed

yeah i'm trying to respond the right way obviously i'm pissed And if I wasn't pissed, then I shouldn't be in this locker room.

And it's important to me.

And, you know, I'm aware of the role I played in

the offensive struggles over the last few weeks.

And, you know, but I'm also not shouldering the entire

situation.

And, you know, I went through yesterday, watched my throws,

tried to come up with some stuff that I want to work on.

And just doing that.

Okay, Joe.

The thing a quarterback's supposed to do, say, look, it's on me.

I did not play.

Don't say I'm not going to shoulder all of the blame.

We know all the blame is not on you.

But in that moment, when you're in front of the camera as the leader of that offense, you say, Look, that's on me.

I didn't play well enough to get the job done.

So I understand why the Bengal made that decision.

If and when my time comes back up, I'll be more prepared.

And I promise you, Bingles fans, this organization, my teammates, I won't let you down.

Take off, OJo.

I mean, listen, obviously, most of the time in that situation as a quarterback being the face being that joe burrow is absent you have to take onus you have to take all that on your shoulders because you are the quarterback because much is expected of you once you are at that position and you are the one who handles the ball the most outside everyone else with that being said

you look at our team and where we are right now we're two and three we still have time to be able to salvage the season i think them continuing to stick with jake browning based on the last two performances that we've seen, it would have been malpracticed by the coaches.

I think Zach Taylor might be on the hot seat.

Yeah, listen, it's not funny.

This is a serious matter.

This is not a laughing matter.

For us, the fans are impatient.

I'm impatient.

I think upstairs, they're also impatient because they've invested money in that offensive line.

They invested money in Joe Burrow.

They invested money in T and Jamar Chase and other, especially offensively in general.

And they want to see a return on that investment.

Correct.

Joe Burrows down.

Joe Burrows down.

Next man up.

The next man up is not playing well at all.

So we're two and three right now.

What do you want to do?

We want to get someone else who has a veteran presence that has won a Super Bowl.

Maybe they can come in and steer the ship to keep it from sinking.

Similar to like the Titanic.

We don't want to hit an iceberg.

So can Joe Flacco come in and steer the ship and dodge a few icebergs?

Now, we might sink a little bit, but we don't want to just go all the way goddamn under.

We're going to see what can happen.

It all starts with, number one, we have a gunslinger at the quarterback position that has a hell of an arm, but he's not mobile punk.

No, he's not.

No.

Jake Browning was mobile, and he was running for his life.

Yes.

Joe Flacco ain't getting away from me.

My offensive line, if you guys do see this, I beg of you, I implore you to raise your level of play for us offensively to have any success moving forward.

Starting right now this week against that Packers defense.

Ooh.

Gary Micah.

Ooh.

Micah.

Rashawn Garrett.

Ooh, Wyatt.

Oh, my God.

My Bengals offensive line.

We need to set the tone.

We need to set the tone.

All five of you.

Orlando Brown.

Come on, baby.

You got to come to the party.

Brother Mims, you got to come to the party.

Right guard, left guard, Terry Karris.

We got to come to the party.

As we go, as the offensive line goes, our team goes.

The game of football is one up front.

It's one in the trenches.

And for us to continue to continue to compete, not only in the AFC North, but the NFL in general for the rest of the season, we have to win up front.

That's what it starts with.

If we win up front, everything else becomes easy offensively.

I can tell looking at the chat that there are not a lot of leaders out there because they're looking to obfuscate obfuscate blame.

If you go look, just look at the quarterbacks and how they talk.

Jalen Hurts, watch out when they lose a game, how he talks.

With Brady and Manning and all these quarterbacks lose, look how they talk.

It's on them.

You don't talk about I don't shoulder all the blame.

You said it's on me.

I need to play better and I will.

I understand why the organization did what they did because I wasn't getting the job done.

Yes, sir.

If and when I get another opportunity.

Oh, Joe, the only reason he's on the roster is that when Joe Burr got hurt last time, he did a well enough job to say, you know what?

We got a backup.

If Joe goes down for three to four weeks, we got a guy that can hold it in the road for us.

Yeah.

He will cut.

We have a self-driving car.

I've been seeing a lot of self-driving cars lately.

I'm like, hold on.

I saw the car driving around, oh cho.

I'm looking at it.

I said, hold on, wait a minute.

Ain't nobody driving.

Right, right, right.

I pulled up to the thing and stopped and somebody got out.

I said,

I heard people talk about it, Ocho, but that's my first time seeing one.

Never saw it.

Right, right.

So

that's what Jake Browning was.

He was a self-driving car.

They're like, man, Joe out.

Jake got this.

We saw him against Jacksonville.

You remember that Thursday night game, Ocho, against Jacksonville?

Oh, yeah.

He played well.

That's what gave you the confidence to say what you were saying because you had seen him in moments like this.

Yes.

Rise to the occasion, play extremely well.

I don't know what happened because here's the thing, your

expectations are the number one killer yeah of dreams and hopes and aspirations because see it's easy and i tell guys all the time i say you know what the easiest thing i ever did was make the pro bowl because nobody was expecting it now

guess what happens when they build a game plan around you and the defense build a game plan to stop you Wait, hold on.

Stay right there because I know you're for the cook.

Hold on now.

Hold on.

Hold on, because let me tell you something.

I got my pen.

I got my pen and pad.

Now, I know you're from the cook.

Go ahead now.

So, that's what happens, Ocho.

So, you see what happened?

Expectations.

Jake Brownie had immense expectations.

Why, Ocho?

Because the Cincinnati Bengal have immense expectations.

Even though Joe Burrow's down, they believe, man, we have enough offensively to right this ship until Joe gets back.

We got chased.

We got the best receiving football.

We believe we got another top top 15 receiving football.

We got a guy that can run the ball.

There ain't no reason for us to be scoring three points, 10 points, be down 34 to 3 going into the fourth quarter with the offensive weapons that we got.

Right.

So now the expectations, and you feel that living up.

See, Ocho, it was easy.

Your kids, see, your kids got expectations you never had.

Your dad, your dad, Ocho Cinco?

Yeah.

The pro Bowler, the one that's on Nightcap?

Yeah.

Now they got expectations you didn't have to deal with.

Your mom, the people like, they might say,

oh, you Hurricane

Paul Lee,

Paula's son.

But now you put so much expectations on your kids because see, only people in the neighborhood knew your mom, knew your grandma.

You're a worldwide commodity.

They see that last name.

They say, hold on.

what's your relationship to Ocho?

That's my dad.

That's your dad.

Now,

what you play, you play what you do.

You do so, what you do in sports, right?

What you want to be when you grow up

now.

You see, Jake Brown had those expectations with that offense.

He was supposed, he wasn't supposed to be Joe Burrow.

He was just supposed to be that self-driving car to keep it in the road.

Oh, you just don't crash.

That's all you got to do, son.

I don't even need you to win this race.

Just get the car around the track and don't crash.

That's a good one.

Keep it in first gear.

See, I told you it was for the cook.

Because, see, I already know what's going to happen when you get to four.

God, you can't get it right.

You're going to either burn the clutch out or you're going to script the gear.

What you going to do, Ocho?

What are you going to do?

Hold on, man.

Hold on.

I don't need you to win the race.

I just need you to get the car around the track.

Boy, that's a bar.

Get it around the track.

That's a bar.

You don't even understand.

You don't even understand what you just did.

Let me write this down.

Hold on, man.

What are you cooking, boy?

God damn, boy, you need to be a pastor.

Hey, I don't, Jake, I don't need...

Jake, you think we need you to be 15 and 2?

Right.

Get us the 10.

Can you get us to 11?

Can you get us to 10 and 7?

Get us to 10 and 7.

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10-7

might be something we can look at.

Yeah.

That's what the AFC is.

One and four.

The Texans one and four.

The Titans one and four.

Okay, they got two teams in that division are playing really well.

You got the AFC South, you got the Jags, and you got the Colts.

They cutting up.

They cutting up.

They cutting up.

It's funny.

Two of the teams that are are always three and four are now one and two,

battling with a chance to win that division in the AFC South.

Well, obviously,

let me take that back because when Peyton Manning was there, they dominated the AFC South.

For sure.

Absolutely.

But I'm just saying, as of recent, it hasn't been like that.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Basically, since Andrew Luck left,

it hadn't been like that.

Hey, listen, I'm excited.

You think about what we are too as a Bengal fan.

I'm sure we have some Bengal fans in the chat and just fans of football in the chat in general.

If you think about us and what we are are right now we at the bottom huh we at the bottom there's nowhere else there's no other place we can go but up from this point on yeah based on what we saw last week there's only one place we can go we got flacco in there i'm optimistic i'm off

what choice do you have ocho right and then and a lot of people you got some people obviously i hear some bagel fans oh why we go get joe flacco there were no viable options they talk about well why didn't we get anybody who could run why we didn't get anybody mobile who's out there that is mobile call amazon and see if they can take your quarterback.

Exactly.

This ain't madness.

This is real life.

This is real life.

What we need is not like quarterbacks or like goddamn Apple Tree.

You just go pick one you want to replace the next one.

That is one of the reasons why it's so difficult to not only find a quarterback, but find a transcending generational talent like a Joe Burrow.

You can't replace it.

No.

You can't replace Lamar Jackson if he's injured, as you can see with the Ravens struggling.

You can't replace a goddamn Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert.

You can.

But

can we get a Carson Wentz?

Can he do what Carson Wentz is doing for the Minnesota Vikings until J.J.

McCarthy comes back?

Because he's making it hard on Kevin O'Connell to put J.J.

McCarthy ass back in the ball game, considering how well he's actually playing since J.J.

McCarthy's been out.

More touchdowns, fewer interceptions.

That's what it is.

Now, look, in this situation, you're not going to make it difficult for them not to put Joe Burrow ass back in there.

He's making far too much money, and he's a far superior quarterback to what you are.

But with that being said,

bro, you gotta, this is how bad it is.

This is how bad Jake Browning is.

His QBR is actually higher than Joe Flacco.

But when you're desperate, Ocho, hey, somebody said, man, look, if one aspirin,

if

two aspirin

will clear your headache, you won't have a headache in, say, an hour.

Well,

and that's what Jerry Kraus, Jerry Reinsdorf, asked Michael Jordan.

But it's a true analogy.

You know, one aspirin take two aspirins,

pain should

subside in a couple of hours.

What if I take 10?

It's probably going to kill you.

And he asked Mike, would you take 10?

He said, well, how bad is my headache?

A desperate person will do a desperate thing.

Desperate teams do desperate things.

This was a desperate move because the actuality, the quarterback that you had starting is actually playing better than the quarterback you're replacing him with.

But

you see, when you get desperate, Ocho, when you get desperate, you make desperate decisions.

You don't think clearly.

You don't see clearly.

All I know is that my guy isn't playing well.

Well, let's grab that guy.

You do realize that guy got benched also.

Yes.

I can see if you got, hey, I want to trade for your starter.

No, you traded for a guy that got benched.

Can I say something?

Yes.

We traded for a guy that got benched, obviously.

But the guy that got benched that's coming to the Bengals has a much better supporting cast around him right now.

Now,

again, the one issue I did say, because despite coming, despite coming here to a much better supporting cast,

if that front four or that front five, what it is, five, don't do what they need to do

and be a wall for two seconds.

Give me a wall for two seconds.

That's all I need.

Give me two.

If you can give me two, we can do something with one and five.

Well, you better, you better keep Flacco in the shotgun because it's going to take him longer than three to get in this drop.

Back pedal.

That's fine.

That's fine.

We can put him back there in the shotgun.

So we can already process.

So we can already process.

He can see what's in front of him right away.

And it doesn't take him that much long to get that ball out.

And you know one thing about Flacco, boy, he got an arm on him.

Oh, he can throw it now.

He can still make all the throws.

Now,

he's going to throw Chasing Higgins by three.

Now, he's going to throw the other team by two.

Now, it's just a matter of whether they're going to catch him or not.

Because he's going to give everybody, he's an equal opportunity employer.

He believes in DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.

So he going to diversify touchdowns and interceptions.

He's going to make equality.

And he going to include the defense in what the hell he doing.

So I'm just letting y'all know,

Bingo fans, you are, listen, you remember him when he was at the Ravens.

You remember him when he was at Cleveland.

You already know.

And you just got a glimpse of him earlier this year.

So you know who and what he is.

So if you think you're going to get 2012 playoff laco, that is,

he was never ever able to replicate.

He could never really put a regular season together like he could those playoff runs.

Oh, Joe, he had some of the great playoff runs.

Hey, crazy work in the playoffs.

Crazy work.

But again.

You think about what he had offensively with the Ravens, even back then with that playoff run, even with that run.

Hell, I could just, I could, I honestly, I can honestly say throughout his entirety of his career, he ain't never had nothing like he got working with right now.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

He had a better offensive line, but he didn't have, you know, I'm trying to think, who was his running back back then?

I don't even remember who his running back was.

I know Anquan Boulder was one of the receivers.

27.

27.

27.

Ray Rice?

Yes, I believe so.

Okay.

I believe so, yeah.

But I think the thing is, Ocho, he's going to need time to throw.

Like you said, he doesn't have have mobility.

He's not a guy that you can move.

I mean, are you going to move the pocket with him?

You can't zone read with him.

I mean, you're limited.

Basically, hey, Ocho, he's a drop back.

He's a prototypical 70s, 80s drop back quarterback.

That's what he is.

He's not like these quarterbacks that we have today.

All the quarterbacks they are slightly mobile, some more than Obile or others.

But Ocho, he is what he is in you.

Yeah, I mean, listen, even though Joe Burrow ain't Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow ain't goddamn Josh Allen, but his ability to manipulate the pocket and feel pressure and being able to escape it and make throws down the field is second to none.

He's really good at escaping the pocket despite not being the considered dual threat that those quarterbacks I just named are.

Listen, I'm hoping we do well.

And the onus, it all comes down to the offensive line.

Yeah.

As they go, the better they play, the better we play offensively.

I think they're going to try to, you know, you go in the draft and you try to draft an offensive lineman.

If somebody comes available, you know, Ocho and free agency, if you get somebody to come to your team, you have to overpay because you're asking this man to uproot where he's been the last three, four, five years, six years, seven years, where he's gotten comfortable.

He's established himself in the community.

If he has a wife, his wife is interested in the community.

We got kids.

They got friends and they've been in school.

So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys or an offensive tackle or a guard or a center to come join your team.

So you're going to have to overpay to get one of those guys.

And then, you know, you go in the draft and you try to find the best offensive lineman because you're going to be drafting pretty high up if this thing doesn't get turned around, Ocho.

Unfortunately, that's that's you know, you might end up being a top 10.

And I don't know, like I said, I haven't seen any projections just yet, but there might be a situation where you have to go in and take a lineman in the top 10.

Now, we know, look, Anthony Munoz is the best offensive lineman that they've had.

Willie, I know, hey, I know Big Willie.

Big Willie.

He's from my home state, went to Auburn.

But

you guys need an offensive line bad, Ojo.

Yeah, we do.

We do.

I'm just hoping those young bulls, those young bulls that we do have, especially those that have gotten paid,

they've been paid a nice ransom.

I'm hoping they can show up

and pay dividends, you know, and play like the money that they received so far.

I'm excited for them.

Obviously, getting Joe Burrow, despite where we are right now, we're still two and three.

The season is salvageable.

I know what Joe can do, but the only way to allow Joe to cook, the only way he can be that chef, the head chef, is he needs a little time.

If he get a little time on, you give Joe any time, but he is surgical with that ball.

That's for any of you that in the chat that know football.

Even though he can't move, he got an arm on him.

Yes.

He got two of the best.

He got the best, maybe arguably, depending on who you ask, the best duel to throw to.

So I'm excited.

I'm optimistic.

And we can't go anywhere but up from here because we at the bottom of the barrel right now.

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Kevin Stefanski was non-committal on whether rookie Stuart Sanders or practice squad Bailey Zappi would be the team's backup quarterback in the aftermath of trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals.

Stefanski said he would

let the week play out and make the decision later when asked about QB2 role.

Stefanski also would not say if the team would sign Zappi to the active roster ahead of Sunday's game so that one of the backups would serve as the inactive emergency quarterback.

oh joe what are we doing

it's already been reported that bailey zappy was taking the mess a lot of the practice squad snaps yeah

listen kevin stefanski is really enjoying this moment he's with kevin stefanki is making the browns organization basically jerry springer

he's making it basically maury povich when maury povich does the goddamn dna test

and the girl or the girl gets up screaming and they run around with the camera yeah yeah that's That's exactly what he's making.

He's making a mockery of the situation and enjoying it.

Yeah.

He's enjoying it.

Just announced the goddamn quarterback.

Who quarterback number two?

If Bailey Zappy has been taking the practice reps, knowing that Shador, Joe Flacco, I'm gone.

If Shador was already number three and goddamn Dylan Gabriel goes number one

and Joe Flacco gone, then that makes goddamn Shador number two.

Why are we playing these goddamn mind games?

Like, what do you what?

What about the game?

But my thing was, Ocho, if he was, let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe Flacco started.

Okay, when Joe Flacco was there, Joe Flacco was one.

Bailey Zappi was two.

Excuse me.

Dylan Gabriel was two.

Shadur was three.

But the report said Bailey Zappi was getting the practice squad.

They signed him off somebody else's team and put him on their practice squad.

He comes in or taking reps that Shadur should be getting.

So with that being said, I understood the assignment.

Ain't no way Dylan Graber is going to be taking all those reps and somehow come game come this regular season.

Shadur Sanders is going to pole vault in front of him.

So if Bailey Zappi is taking those reps, practice squad reps, Ocho, what's the likelihood?

Now, I'm not saying it can't happen, but what's the likelihood?

Hey,

I don't know what they're doing.

I don't know.

I'm not so sure Cleveland knows what they're doing.

Maybe they're waiting on Deshaun to come back.

I don't know.

It says he's been out there.

He's been throwing, and I don't know, Ocho.

But I just know: look,

they've made a mockery of this.

We've talked about Cleveland more in the the first six weeks of this year than we have at any point in time.

And it's not all good.

But I don't know what, I really don't know what to make of this.

It's

we're going to let it play out.

What you going to let play out?

I can see if this was a training camp battle, Ocho.

Yeah, it's different.

And let it play out.

I'm trying to figure out what can someone do in a week of practice, Ocho, that's going to change your mind from where you stand right now to move like, oh, well, he had a great week of practice.

Nothing.

Whoop-de-doo.

Nothing at all.

Again, that's why I said they're making a mockery of the situation.

That's all.

What's going on, you got felt this little mini gym?

It's not a, it's.

They're asking him, they're asking Shador,

you know, what do you?

What do you mean?

That's Dylan Gabriel.

You ask him, what do you think about, I'm not playing.

Ask Dylan Gabriel, what does he think about Joe Flacco being traded?

Why are you asking me?

I'm the backup to the backup that just got started.

See, they're always trying to put a microphone because they're always trying to get him to slip up.

They're always trying to catch him off his guard, don't you?

They always trying.

They don't ask any other quarterback.

They don't ask the third string or they don't ask the practice squad guy, what do you think about somebody getting traded but somehow the microphone always seemed to find shadour they're hoping he mess up they hope he has a proverbial slip you see that's why he's not starting you see he needs to keep his mouth closed you see this is why he

but he he is a news cycle huh it's the last name in general they haven't had somebody this polarizing that's not even in that's not even in an important role as of yet they never had anybody like this before they haven't and they don't even know how to handle the situation in general most of the time in a situation like this when you have something as polarizing a polarizing figure like that you you do everything you can to stay away from it but no they're engaging with it in purpose to keep the cleveland browns in the news cycle no different than the goddamn dallas cowboys right no damn different man if i was you i'd say look man if when i'm starting when when when coach stefans get tell me i'm starting then i talk to you guys

what other backup quarterback they talking to you can't do that though.

But you understand the rules, though.

You know, you understand the rules.

But I'm trying to figure out, oh, Joe, I'm trying to think.

They're not asking Jameis Winston no questions.

They're not asking Russ any questions.

Now, all the questions are the Jackson Dart.

Artie Carney, yeah, right, right.

So my only thing is, okay, so why do you continuously ask a backup that's not playing?

Why are you continuously asking?

Why are you continuously asking them questions?

What do you hope to get from him?

I can tell you what they hoping.

I can tell you.

Sounds like I know what they're hoping also.

Hey,

they hoping, like when you go to the Army, like when you go to the Marines, like when you go to the Navy, they're trying to break you in the beginning to see if you are the one.

Are you built for this?

Mentally.

That's all.

They waiting on him to snap, huh?

They waiting on him to snap.

I'm telling you.

He has to understand it.

I can see it.

I can see the play.

I can see the play all the way.

I can see the play way before it happened.

All the way before it started.

How can you not see it if you understand the game and the game that they're playing i can see it as clear as day your owner coming out saying some of the things he said when he got training camp oh i see what this is okay now i got to play the game i see what you i see what y'all trying to do right you got to play the game now you you in their structured environment you got to play by their rules yeah

you're right

listen i even even i was in that position at one point

my feet ain't wet I got my toe in the water.

I got my toe in the water, but my feet ain't wet just as of yet.

But once I got in the water fully, oh, but you seen every bit of Dave County Liberty City come up out of me.

Oh, Joe, we got breaking news.

Another major trade between the Jags and the Browns.

Jaguars get cornerback Greg Newsome and Jets 2026 sixth-round picks from the Browns.

Browns get Tyson Campbell.

The Eagles 2026 seventh-round picks from the Jags.

The trade partners from the night of the 2025 draft now pull off another mid-season trade.

Hey, listen,

that's a good try.

That's a good trade.

Now, I don't understand why they're going to be.

For the Jags, yeah, the Jags going for it.

Oh, yeah, listen, especially for the Jags.

And this is the thing I would get ready to say.

Greg Newsom is a phenomenal, honk.

For sure.

Greg Newsome ain't no slouch.

You know, we understand what Denzel Ward is on the other side, but when they try to go to Greg Newsome's side, but a young boy can play some ball.

So this is a win for the jags and with great understanding of why they did it is because oh we we finna push all our chips to the front

we pushing all our chips to the front because we really believe we have a chance right now with the way trevor lawrence is playing yep hey that's that's respectable and if you're a jaguars fan i commend ownership i commend your gm and i commend your goddamn head coach They done pushed all their chips on the table.

We going in.

Hey, Unk, the chat, funny as hell, Unk.

What happened?

They just been going in on you.

They're going in on me.

Tell me, I look like Debo.

Tell me,

I look like a Mexican with this damn flannel on.

What are they going on me for?

What I do?

Nothing.

Go ahead.

What I do, Ocho.

Oh, they're killing me.

What they say I do.

Hold on, chat.

What I do?

I was just asking questions.

Damn.

I can't ask no questions.

It ain't funny, boy.

Look,

I know you guys think, but here's the real.

When it comes to track and field, I don't have a research team.

I'm old enough to remember.

Y'all, I'm 57.

So I go all the way back.

I remember the 84 Olympics.

I remember Seoul.

I remember Barcelona.

I remember Atlanta.

I remember Athens.

What y'all want me to do?

I remember Sydney was in 2000.

Athens was 04.

Beijing was eight.

London was 12.

Rio was 16, 21.

I remember what y'all want me to do.

I remember the world championships when they came out.

I'm sorry that y'all can't remember your way home.

That ain't my fault.

I've told you, if you know Shannon Sharp, if you've watched me at any point in time, I told people my favorite sport is track and field.

Yes, I love football, and I know the history of football.

I know the history of basketball.

But I love track and field.

It's, I playing around the track and field.

I mean, if I didn't really have to talk about football, I'd go to the gym.

But when track and field on, I ain't going nowhere.

It's the only sports that I watch with the sound.

No other sport will I watch with the sound.

And

for them to take their time out to come on nightcap, what other platform other than my boy Justin Gatlin and his partner that give track and field athletes the platform like we do?

Okay, well, yeah, you're right.

You're right about that.

I'm sorry that, you know, I asked questions that I think the chat would want to hear.

What do you eat?

What are your training sessions like?

X, Y, and Z.

Yes.

So I'm just, I'm confused at what y'all think I'm supposed to do.

Like, like stutter or go through it?

Yes.

There are no notes on here with Anna Hall.

I know who she is.

I know she's a Florida alum.

I know she's from Colorado.

I mean,

y'all.

Don't worry about it because they still killing me.

They told me I look like Jody from baby boy.

Man, people weird.

I mean, like like I'm not supposed to ask any questions like I'm supposed to be like uh uh uh uh what do you what do you like no I know the I know the history I can't wait for us to have Ryan Krauser on so I can talk to him about the shot

the greatest the greatest shot putter ever Anna was talking about uh uh uh

The Jackie's record that she said in Soul 7291 seems unbreakable.

That woman shot putter, USSR.

Ain't nobody breaking that one.

No.

No.

No.

No.

And you know what's funny?

It's the same way you are about track and field.

One of the one sporting, one of the one.

You like that about soccer?

Oh, my God.

Well, as soccer come on, my phone on do not disturb.

On Saturdays and Sundays, I'm mad.

I fly to London in the morning.

My flight at five o'clock.

I'm mad that I'm going to London and everybody on goddamn international break.

Everybody on international break.

So that would have been the perfect time for me to catch a goddamn game.

I could sneak and go catch a game.

Right.

Everybody going.

Ocho, does this mean we'll see Travis full-time on offense?

Greg Newsom was the number 26 pick in the 2021 NFL draft.

Tyson Campbell was picked 33 in that same draft, just seven picks apart.

You know what?

I'm curious what they're going to do because they have a phenomenal nigger in Jordan Lewis, right?

I'm not sure who's on the other side, but you know, Greg Newsom is coming in on one side and

he's going to be that guy, that guy that can do it.

I still think they know Travis Hunter wants to continue to contribute on defense.

I think he'll continue to have those packages.

They're going to find ways

to fit him in there at some point.

But what we saw offensively, he's too dynamic, huh?

They have to find ways to get in the ball on offense.

He's too dynamic.

You put the ball in the area, anywhere in the vicinity, he's going to make that play, especially don't jump balls that are really 50-50.

Where he can showcase his athleticism.

yeah.

They become 80-20 with somebody like that.

Yeah, so I mean, listen, he's too dynamic, you know, in showing flashes of brilliance, in which we saw at Colorado on both sides of the ball.

So, I hope they allow him to continue to doing this thing on both sides,

giving them a

healthy count on both sides of the ball.

We're going to be effective and efficient,

but they don't overload him.

And he's able to play easy.

He's able to play at his best on both sides.

And that's what it comes down to.

Because

they need a special player

on one side of the ball or other.

It doesn't work for them if he's average on both sides of the ball, Ocho.

He has to be dynamic on one or the other.

Right.

Because that's why you traded up, Ocho.

That's why you gave up what you gave up to get it.

Because if you gave up what you get it and you just got an average player, that doesn't make sense to me.

So let him be dynamic.

Let him be dynamic.

And then you, like you said, bring him in on the package.

Me personally, Ocho, I still think he's better at defense.

I think his instincts, his ball skills are just second to none.

I know you like it because of the jump ball, but right now it's just athleticism.

Now, once he learns the route tree, I give you a prime example.

Tyreek.

Remember when Tyreek first came in?

He was a gadget guy?

And then all of a sudden, Tyreek learned the route tree.

Tyreek has played his way into a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, absolutely.

Travis Hunter has that kind of ability.

He's just got to get better at running the route.

Right now, they only run him on spots and jump balls.

Yeah, if I could get, if I get, Trav, I know you're gonna see this.

If I can get with you in the offseason, yeah, I don't need time, Trav.

I need you for two months.

Two months.

We're working four days a week.

All we all I need is an hour, an hour of your time for four weeks.

I know you already have your training.

I'm not trying to step on nobody's toes.

I'm talking about running routes.

Yeah.

I'm talking about giving the illusion of doing something that you're really not at full speed.

Oh, my goodness, brother.

What I could do with you.

Oh, my goodness, what I could do with you.

Hopefully, he takes you up on that, Ocho.

And listen, huh?

Now, you know, that's my specialty now.

I do.

Man,

hey, Trav, come on, I'll let you boy in the offseason.

I don't need much time.

I will day.

That's it.

Rock running?

I wish they would come up there and play press.

Come on up here if you want to.

Ocho, just days after his most embarrassing moment of the season, Chief Pass Rusher Chris Jones addressed why he didn't give maximum effort on the Jaguars' game-winning touchdown.

Jones says it's a teaching point for me.

A little adversity, I think, I can't think the play is over.

It's a learning lesson.

I thought it was over.

I thought we had him down.

So I kind of stopped and was about to celebrate.

Then I realized he wasn't down.

Chris Jones is one of the core leaders of the Chief, and to see him take a playoff in that situation doesn't seem real.

It does sum up.

But for me, I thought they were going to let him score.

That's what I would have done, Ocho.

That way, hey, let them score right now.

I need maximum time.

But I think it caught him off guard that they was passing the ball instead of running it.

So

maybe CJ, and I'm like, this is me thinking for him

because it's hard for me to believe that

I saw it in real time.

I was like, damn, CJ.

But I thought that, and maybe they did think that they were going to run the ball.

And I think they were a little surprised that the Chiefs passed the ball.

But in a situation like that,

you can't assume.

He knows that.

I mean, he knew that, but now he really knows that.

And, you know, obviously, Andy had to talk, Red had to talk to him.

It's just not a good look.

And he knows that.

You're talking about one of the premier deep tackles, a three-time Super Bowl champ,

a multiple-time all-pro player.

He's more than likely going to be the all-pro defensive tackle of the 2020s.

Can't have that on your resume.

Right.

Like you said, it's a teachable moment.

I don't think we'll have that issue with CJ again.

Yeah.

I mean, listen,

you think about how many 65 snaps.

I'm not sure how many play on defense.

All of them, all of them aren't 100% effort, but you can't look like you did on that play.

No.

You can't look like you did.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

There's a microscope on you being who you are.

Aaron Donald's no longer playing, so you are considered widely.

as the best defensive tackle in the game.

So there's a camera always on you from every goddamn angle.

You're absolutely right.

Jones also said his social media accounts weren't deactivated as an attempt to avoid criticism.

Oh, Joe, back in your day, we didn't really have to deal with social media 24-7, the Twitter, you know, viral takes.

Do you think athletes in today's game face more criticism than they did in years past?

Well, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Because not only you have to deal with the media, you have to deal with the fans as well.

Now, before the fans, the fans had no way of having access to you.

You didn't have to see it.

You just have to hear it either on radio or on TV.

Now, you deal with much more, way more criticism, and they critique you way more when you don't play well or things don't happen or you get hit hard or you fumble the ball.

You got to deal with it from everybody and all the social media.

So you have to have thick skin, huh?

You have to have thick skin, especially to be a player in this era, especially to be a great player in this era.

It has to go on one end out the other.

You have to be able to ignore it.

At times, you have to be able to laugh at yourself and laugh at your mistakes in order to continue to function, you know, at a high level in whatever respect of craft it is you're doing, just not football in general.

You know,

whether it be, you know, you're a rapper or

you play football, you play tennis,

it's everything.

It's everywhere now.

You know,

you become a meme.

And sometimes

you got to take, take the jokes

for what they are.

And you have to laugh at yourself and pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and just go again.

Yeah,

there's no question about it.

Everybody that has a phone and have a social media account, they're a former NFL, NBA, MLB player, their former coach, their former general manager, their former VA.

So now everybody has an opinion and you can see their opinion show up in real time.

You're absolutely right, Ocho.

With the media, you're not getting away with anything.

There was a time that the media would see a player doing something

and it would never make the news it would never make the papers that ain't happening now no it's not happening if they see you do something it's getting reported because everybody wants to be first everybody wants to break the story there's like it's gonna get out anyway right so let me be the first to get it so there is no longer that that bond that used to be between the great players and and the reporters

yeah that's over That's long.

That's over.

And now everybody has a camera.

So you can't do, even if you wanted to get away with something for the most part it's hard to get away with stuff now right because just think about it jordan going out uh the night before and playing and playing and gambling boy that was gonna be on somebody's look at michael jordan before he played the knicks this michael jordan at the gate at the blackjack table y'all

what's going on yeah cameras everywhere too now everywhere The funny thing, knowing Jordan and how he was, his mannerisms, his persona in general, man, he wouldn't give to you know what.

Oh, absolutely.

Why do you think you don't see his ass out now?

Well, he really can't be out.

He couldn't be out.

Jordan hadn't been able to be

Mike Jordan since he was at UMC.

Yeah.

The moment he hit the league, it was a wrap.

And did that, it was over.

Yeah.

And Willie, and when he got those red and black shoes, it was good night Irene.

Yeah, it was a wrap.

It was a wrap.

Yeah.

Think about it, Ocho.

He could, he's really Michael Jackson.

They really never been able to enjoy.

I mean, you got to write the whole movie theater.

You want to go out to a movie, you got to write the whole theater out.

You want to take this kid's skate, you got to write the whole, the whole skating rink out.

I couldn't live like that.

It would be hard.

Everything is on.

Everything.

is everything is under microscope just imagine how everything how everything looks so big under microscope That's how you look in the public eyes.

Now, that I don't mind.

I don't care.

I don't care nothing about the microscope because what you see is what you get.

What you see is what you get.

I don't play a character.

This is just me.

But the whole not being able to go anywhere, I am too sociable.

I love conversing with people.

I love seeing people and hugging and saying you wouldn't be that way if you was that.

Young people, you couldn't.

Boy, you can't be.

Boy, you couldn't be like that with that kind of money.

Boy, people will get you.

Oh, oh, you talk about the money, the money-wise.

Okay, okay, yeah.

What person you know that popular don't have money?

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

I got money now.

What you saying?

Not like that.

Okay, okay.

They uh, buddy, chop your head off.

Yeah, I got a question.

What?

What can Michael Jordan LeBron do

that I can't do?

Go to the mall

They can't do that.

We just talked about it, man.

What you can't do.

You can't go.

You mean you, you, but that's what you have to be able to do.

If you're a Jay-Z, where Jay-Z gonna go?

Where Beyonce gonna go?

Where Taylor Swift gonna go?

You think Taylor Swift can call up her girlfriend?

Girl, let's go to the mall.

Girl, let's go get us a drink.

Where they going?

Yeah, I couldn't do it.

I couldn't do it.

I'm one of the,

I've always been accessible.

I don't care how big I get, which is probably why God would never bless me with

that type of wealth, because he know damn well I'm going to be at the mall.

He knows damn well I'm going to be at the McDonald's drive-thru.

He knows damn well I'm going to be at every soccer game I can get to.

It's not happening.

He knows damn well I'm going to still be on my grandma porch in Liberty City and have everybody driving around to see if I'm sitting out there.

I'm not, I can't.

I can't.

I mean, you might be, you might be out there, but you're going to have security and then you're going to be up in a box.

You ain't going to be in the, you ain't going to be in the stands.

It ain't the same, huh?

When you go to a sporting event, especially.

You're not the same.

You look at that through the prison that you're the same.

You're not the same.

You can still have some of the same friends and y'all, but they come to you.

Right.

They go someplace, they take the whole island over.

You see, most of the time, you see them, where do you see him at?

On the yacht.

When you see Jay-Z, how many security you see with him?

How many in that detail, that security detail?

When you see Mike.

Damn.

That's your life now, Ocho.

That is your life.

It's private jets.

It ain't no more spirit.

It ain't no more in the airports.

It's not anymore that.

Whoa, so you're telling me if I reach that type of wealth, I can't fly spirit no more?

You're not flying that.

That sounds good, but you're not fine.

That you're not going to be worth a billion dollars, five billion dollars, ten billion, thirty billion dollars, and fly that.

You're not.

That's just like you don't buy the same, you buy chrome heart.

You, but you, you, you see what you spend your money on, and I guarantee you, when you were younger, you're like, ain't no way I spent this much money for a car.

Wait a minute,

I didn't buy Chrome Hearts.

That was a gift for my baby.

You, hey, so everything that you got is a gift from your baby.

Them watches, that jewelry, that Cuban, that house you got, all that gifts.

Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Exactly.

You see, you see how you move accordingly to the

resources?

So just imagine.

I gave you two, you worth $2 billion.

Which means.

Okay, let's reset.

Let's just hypothetically speaking.

Okay,

you worth $2 billion.

Okay, okay, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

So tell me what you think I'm not going to do.

You're not walking in.

You're not walking in a regular airport.

You're going to fly private because you have the kind of means to fly private.

And

because you're not going to run, Ocho, you're not going to run the risk.

You're a high-value target.

Yeah.

And I know why you think everybody is your friend.

When you get that kind of money, you build up a lot of enemies also.

Damn.

I got, hey, you think I got enemies right now?

Hell yeah.

Absolutely.

And the more money you get, the more

the more you get

the more

dissension dislike jealousy envy but but i'm along with it hey i'm a likable person you could ask anybody in the world what biggest say more money more problems he didn't say more

he didn't say more money more friends more money more problems right about that you're right but i just don't understand how anybody could not like me like what i don't i want you to get a billion so that's the only way i'm gonna get my 5900 $5,900 back.

Huh?

That's the only way I'm going to get my $5,900 back if you get a billion.

Nah, really.

I get to you now.

But I told you, as long as I owe you, you'll never go broke.

Well,

I just see it.

It's better suited to my hands as opposed to yours.

So you draw an interest on my money.

I ain't drawing interest on your money, but I just got your best interest.

You see how that works?

I can show you that $5,900, man.

I got you.

I got you.

I got a few bills I need to pay.

What you need to pay?

Ain't nothing on $5,900, though.

Hey, I can loan you some if you need it.

Oh, you gonna loan?

So you owe me, but you're willing to loan me money.

You gonna loan me my money.

Chad, how that makes sense?

Chad, this man just told me he owe me money, but he gonna loan me my money.

Listen, I ain't gonna loan you the money out of what I owe you.

I'm gonna loan you some money out of.

Oh, you will pay me and then loan me extra.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

No, I'm good.

Yeah, but I think, look,

I think everybody in iChat understands the level of scrutiny that these athletes face today.

The older athletes

didn't have to worry about that.

They didn't have to worry about that.

They didn't have to worry about their business being, because if somebody wanted to tear your business, where were they going?

Oh, oh, he

recording somebody's phone call.

Having somebody having cameras, you know, coming in and out.

I'm seeing a lot of that lately.

I'm seeing a lot of that lately.

And not sports lately in general, but I thought that was a federal offense.

I thought that was a felony and recording someone.

It all depends on what state you're in.

Oh, okay.

California, yeah,

they tear you up with that.

You can't record

now, a call.

Now you have no, no, no, no leg to stand on in a public setting for privacy.

You can't be out at the park and talk about, man, don't film me.

Nah.

You can't be in the airport talking about don't film me.

You do have a level of privacy in your own home.

Okay.

You do have a level, like some states, it only matters that the person that's taping you, recording you, know that that's happening.

Other than that,

so it all depends on the state.

It varies from state to state.

But this level of

criticism and scrutiny that guys,

Serena and the women's athletes, and the men athletes today,

yeah,

it's not even close.

Even Mike said it.

Mike said he don't know how he would be able to function with this social media.

No.

Oh, Joe, after five weeks, Sports Illustrated has dropped their NFL quarterback ranking.

Here they are.

Josh Allen is number one.

Patrick Mahomes is number two.

I'm only going to do the top 10.

Matthew Stafford is three.

Lamar Jackson is four.

Jared Goff is five.

Dak Prescott is six.

Baker Mayfield is seven.

Justin Herbert is eight.

Jordan Love is nine.

Drake May is 10.

Okay, just for the sake of argument, we'll go through 15.

Daniel Jones is 11.

Jaden Daniels is 12th.

Sam Donnell is 13th.

Jalen Hurts is 14th.

CJ Stroud is 15th.

Bo Nicks is 20th.

Jake Browning is 30.

Can I be honest with you?

Yes.

I'm not sure when they made that list, but Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield belong somewhere near the top, along with Josh Allen.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

If we're just talking about this year, Baker Mayfield got to be in the top five.

Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen, whatever list this is, and whatever it came out, it was Baker Mayfield

done so far

up to this week in the season, week five or week six, whatever.

Yes, for sure.

Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield deserve to be in the top of that.

Somewhere, Sam Donald needs to be in there as well.

Yeah.

If we just, if we're just talking, baking it on this week, right?

I'm not so sure that Baker Mayfield shouldn't be one.

We're not, look, we're not talking about, look, we understand what Josh Allen has done.

We understand what Patrick Mahomes has done.

We understand what Matthew Stafford has done.

And we know the MVPs that Lamar has done.

But if we're talking, if we're basing it on the first five weeks of this season,

they have an out those guys have not played Baker Mayfield.

I'm sorry.

And y'all know how I feel about Patrick Mahomes, and I love everybody that they got ranked,

but they have not played.

There are not six quarterbacks playing better than Baker Mayfield.

That is a lie.

I don't care what your fan base is.

I don't care if you're a Bill.

I don't care if you're a Chiefs.

I don't care if you're the Rams, you

Baltimore.

There are not seven six quarterbacks playing the quarterback position better than Baker Mayfield.

They're not.

Hell shit.

Or Daniel Jones, for that matter.

No, they're not.

He's a surprise.

I didn't know.

I mean, I could be one of them.

I was a culprit, you know, who felt he wasn't going to succeed.

Yes.

I just felt he wasn't based on what we saw from him in New York.

And for him to come to Indy and do what he's doing, I'm like, man, what in the world?

He done flip the whole script in the AFC Sun.

Needle, he's playing phenomenal football, man.

So I want to be the first to say I apologize and I was wrong.

I told you to go start.

You ain't paying.

The guy that the incumbent guy, the incumbent starter, which is Richardson, is making $4 or $5 million.

They bring a backup in, making $14 million.

And you think the guy that's making $14 million is going to be on the bench?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That wasn't like that.

That's not happening.

Ocho, with the game that you just watched.

Do you think Jalen Hurst is ranked appropriate at 14?

Oh, move.

If you,

listen we're not talking he won the super bowl he's super bowl mvp based on what you've seen through the first five weeks of the season has he played better than sam darnold daniel jones drake may jordan look has he played better than those guys glad you put it that way i'm glad you put it that way if anything you know what he's appropriately ranked he's appropriately ranked based on what they ask of him to do offensively

What they ask him to do offensively, where the numbers is not going to be like any of those guys that's ahead of him.

So, what he's asked to do, he is appropriately ranked right where he is, if that makes sense.

All I know is

there are not six quarterbacks that's currently playing the quarterback position better than Shake and Bake.

They're just not.

What you call him?

Shake and Bake.

They're not.

Look, we know Patrick Mahomes is the most accomplished.

You know, three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs.

You know, he's been in the Super Bowl five times.

He's been in the AFC championship.

Every year that he's been a starter, he's never not been in the AFC championship game.

We get all that.

Lamar is a two-time league MVP.

Josh Allen is a one-time league MVP.

Matthew Stafford led a team to the Super Bowl.

I get all of that.

And kudos.

Those guys accomplished that and you can't take that away from them.

But I'm sorry, those guys are not playing the position better than Baker Mayfield is playing the position.

It's just that simple.

That ain't got nothing to do with what he might do moving forward.

They said the first five weeks, it says after five weeks, Sports Illustrated dropped their quarterback ranking.

So they're saying after five weeks of this year, 2025, nothing that happened in 2024 going back.

Nothing that's going to happen week six moving forward.

They said the first five weeks of this season, Baker Mayfield's played better than everybody.

Yeah.

And he has.

and his record is just they only lost one game.

Josh Allen lost one game, Patrick Holmes.

I think, I don't know what they record.

Uh, Lamar Jackson is one and four, Matthew Stafford.

I think they've lost two games.

Jerry Gawson lost a game, Dak.

I think they're two, two, and one.

Yeah, what about with the Colts lost one, right?

Colts lost one, yes.

Yeah.