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And when you can turn the ball, when you can take care of the football and you play, you have a great chance of winning.

Jalen Hurts was 24-33, 283, one touchdown.

Ocho, what we say about that late ball if you late and inside?

It's going the other way every time.

And it almost did.

They ran the ball 20 times for 73 yards, but they ran the tush push four times in a row.

They got a touchdown of it.

Dallas Gardner has seven catches, 110 yards, a touchdown.

A.J.

Brown has six for 80.

Devontae Smith, who Jalen Hurts overthrew, would have had like a 90-yard touchdown, but he had four for 49.

Ojo, the Giants just,

the Giants did whatever they wanted to do.

Both sides of the ball, too, at that.

Both sides of the ball at that.

For one, I want to talk about Jackson Dart.

I want to talk about how good Jackson Dart looks

as a rookie.

Obviously, Russell Wilson started the season for the Giants, but when Jackson Dart got his opportunity, he came in and closed the door right behind him.

Yep.

He's making the throws.

He's reading.

He's improvising.

He's escaping.

He's eluding.

He's using his legs.

He's using his arm.

His best weapon went down with knee injury.

But you wouldn't know that his best weapon offensively outside of Scatterbow was hurt.

Jackson Dart is a real deal, and he's very exciting.

The combination of him and Scatterbow together, it's like two little kids.

It's like two little kids out there on the playground just enjoying the game of football at the highest level.

And it's refreshing.

It's refreshing for the Giants fans, as you can see and you can hear.

You know,

you watch the game with the sound off, but just watching the reaction and the sound of the Giants.

Oh, they're going, I can see the fans when they're paying and the fans going,

I'm sure they're saying,

Boo, like for Scatterbow, Scat Pack was doing his thing.

Jackson Dart, I'm sure the Howland Dart.

Look, this was, look, and we'll get to this, Ocho, because the Eagles didn't play well and they got some issues, and we tried to tell them about the issues that they have.

But you know what, Ocho?

But you can't tell Giants fan anything because

if I critique Jalen Hurts, you don't like black people.

You don't say this about white quarterbacks.

If I critique their team, I'm jealous.

I'm envious.

Okay, fine.

I should have your undivided attention because I couldn't get your attention at first because you was winning.

And see,

when you're winning, you can't get nobody's attention.

Now I should have your undivided attention because you lost twice.

Yes.

The Giants,

they got the makings of a good team.

The only thing that concerns me, Ocho, is pressure.

There were times back there that Jalen Hurst would just

sitting there patting the ball.

And two of the three and two of the four pass rushers was on the ground.

They've got to generate pressure.

because they don't have a lead on the back end.

And so you should be able, when you got Dean Lawrence, when you got Thibodeau, when you got Abdul Carter, that should be more than enough to create pressure, to create havoc.

And not nearly, and I forgot Brian Burns.

Brian Burns, yeah.

That should be enough, more than enough to create havoc.

Not enough

havoc was created tonight.

You won the game, but in order for you to keep building on this,

you got 10 days off.

You get an opportunity to soak in this.

I'm sure the Giants fans are going crazy.

Somewhat crazy because the Yankees lost last night.

But if you're a Giant fan, you look at Jackson Darr, you're like, man, he won his first game.

He was playing really well against the Saints, and then he started turning the ball over.

If we could protect the ball, I think we might got something.

Scat Pack was doing what Scat Pack does.

He runs hard.

He's looking to run through, as Marshawn Lynch would say, run through a mofo face, and he runs with authority.

He's looking to deliver a blow.

When he blocks, he's blocking all out.

When he's running, he's running all out.

He missed a couple of cuts early, but hey, all is forgiven.

He's a rookie.

He'll get better as time progresses.

But I thought the Giants' offensive line, Ocho, remember we talked about that thing with a Sieve.

People just coming to A.

You're going to block him?

But they did a great job.

I thought they did a better job tonight of protecting Jackson Dart.

He did a great job of avoiding the rush.

When he needed to run, he got rid of it, he got out of the pocket.

When he needed to throw the ball away, he threw it away.

I like what I saw from the New York football Giants.

Wandell Robinson had himself a game.

A little John Humphrey, I thought he made some plays tonight, Ocho.

But,

I mean, what can we say?

The Giants, I mean, I don't think anybody really had picked the Giants to win this game, but it goes to show you, hey, you take care of the football

and

it's a division game, Ocho.

It's a rival game.

You know, hey, you throw workers out the window when you play at a rival now.

Yeah, because definitely.

Most definitely.

But listen, you also understand if you're a bedman, if you're a bedman, you're definitely picking the Eagles.

Yes.

Well, I wonder what the lion was.

What was the bet?

You know what the lion was, Ocho?

No, I had to be.

It had to be, had to be at least, I'm thinking, at least for four and a half.

Listen, you're going against a rookie quarterback, defending Super Bowl champs, everybody named Mama probably picked the Eagles to actually win this game.

But when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who has been as exciting as he is, who has been unpredictable as he's been since he's gotten a starting job, I mean, For those who actually know and understand the game of football and based on the small sample size of Jackson Dart that we've been able to see

you you throw caution to win when you come to betting against the giants especially after tonight's performance so going forward you know I think things are going to change a little bit when it comes to watching not only watching the giants but putting whatever money you want to on them to win a certain game or a Pacific game at that

it seems like the line was seven seven and a half depend on where you was batting who you was betting you know where you you know who uh what line you took um

i i'm i'm confused ojo talk to me wait wait before you say anything let me get comfortable

i'm confused as to what they're doing with aj brown i watched the man run two unders in a row

i'm like is that the only route y'all believe aj brown can run

He run under, he run look,

they try to run him on like a little

six, seven yard out.

But I don't see no imagination in the routes.

I don't see no magic, no, no creativity in the calls.

Man, look, they're running smash concepts.

They run the sale, and then they run the spot, what we call a spot route.

Or

they'll run the out, and then they'll run the under.

Or Devontae would try starting the slot, and he'll

run the fade.

Or he'll run the smash route.

I mean, he'll run

Brown would run the.

I'm like, damn.

If I'm Jalen Jalen Hurst said, man, I'm tired of running these damn under routes.

Give me a dig.

Give me a comeback.

Give me a deep over.

Give me something.

Hey, run a bang.

Yeah.

We ain't got no bangs.

Yeah, I will say they made a conscious effort to give him the ball.

They made a conscious effort to get him the ball in the first half.

And there were some plays that broke him down where he was able to scramble out the pocket and get the ball to AJ.

It wasn't many of them, but he had a better stat line this week.

You know, this game.

Second best most yards he's had.

You know, he had that 100-yard game against the Rams where they were down by a lot at a half, and then they came out and made a conscious effort.

Like, we got to throw the ball because we can't run ourselves back in the ball game.

And it's like, okay, AJ.

So he had six for 80.

Dallas Goddard had nine for 110.

Smitty would have been over 100 had Jalen not overthrew him.

He put a little bit too much gas up on it.

Devontae ran a really good route, had him.

I mean, he could have walked backwards and got into the end zone because it looked like his defender had fallen down, don't you?

Yeah.

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Clearly, clearly, that meeting didn't help.

I don't know what they discussed.

I don't care to know.

34-17, it's been a while since the Eagles lost the game by that.

And

this game wasn't, I mean,

this thing got out of head quick.

Yeah, it did.

It did.

I would think some, obviously, I think it would start up front with some of the pieces to that offensive line being missing.

Small holes that you try to cover up.

You know,

weak links.

That you try to cover up, but you just can't.

There's a reason why Saquon Barkley isn't being as successful in the running game as he was last year because

he wasn't ocho you you knew they would ocho you thought they were gonna let that man come back and rush for another 2000 hey you you do understand the eagles do have the best offensive line in the league yes but to be

a concerted effort right what did i tell you if you're gonna beat me you're gonna beat me with jalen hurts throwing the football oh yeah because i like my chances better beating you with him throwing the football than saquan barkley running for 125 a game right

it's really really that simple.

And that's not a knock.

I'm not going to let, but I'm not going to let you have a two-way go of it.

Now, Saquon's running it.

Now you play action and throw the ball over the top of my head.

Nah, nah, nah.

If he's going to throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy, and guess what?

I'm going to do, Ocho.

I'm going to leave.

I'm not going to bring, I'm not going to drop eight in the box.

I'm not going to throw one-on-one.

I'm going to make you throw through zones.

I'm going to make you throw it to coverage.

Now you do that consistently.

Okay, I tilt my hat to you.

I can live with that.

But I am not going to let Saquon do what he did last year and then be at your mercy.

Now you throw when you want to.

You run when you want to.

You got me begging, man, throw the ball.

Man, run the ball.

Nah, hell nah.

You're going to beg for something different.

Look,

it's early in the season, but clearly

something is amiss with the Eagles.

It's hard to pick right up where you left off, Ocho.

As someone that has been in that situation,

you have to really turn your mind off to like, man, we won the Super Bowl.

Yeah, you did that last year.

You think these teams are going to roll over just because you won the Super Bowl?

You're their Super Bowl this year.

The teams that didn't win the Super Bowl, guess what?

When they see your ass on the schedule, now that gives us,

you know what Brian Dayball said?

That's the defending Super Bowl champs.

And we just hung 34 on them.

You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league.

That's what they're saying

because

that's the Eagles.

That's the defending Super Bowl champ.

So now teams base their, they base how good they are

on whether or not they beat them.

And now you see why?

Now this gives you a better reason why Jayden hurts

when they ask him about the Super Bowl and how it feels to be defending champs, why he throws it out the door.

That was last year.

Absolutely.

Because he understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but to have the same success going into this.

Now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength,

especially at the offensive line.

Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year.

And things are different.

New offensive coordinator,

things have to evolve offensively.

You can't be too predictable.

Last year, because the running game was so efficient, you could damn near do what you want to do.

Exactly.

And you can throw it when you want to.

You got to pick your poison on what you want to do.

Now things are a little different.

And now you're going to get to see the better part of the Eagles.

You got to dig down, Ocho.

We got to dig.

Yeah, they could do one of two things.

You can come together and fix it, or things are going to continue to splinter.

Yeah.

And we're not going to make no excuses.

Oh, the Eagles beat themselves.

It looked like to me the Giants had 34 and the Eagles had 17.

It didn't say Eagles one had 34 and the Eagles two had 17.

Right, right.

Ain't no ain't no beat yourself because, see, that's the excuses you make.

Last week, they had, man, they should have called pass interference.

That was a pass interference.

You see what happens, Ojo.

If you if you lose by a little, I can go back and point to Faith.

Well, if he had done this, we had done that.

But see, when I beat hell out you, what you gonna say?

So, what pass interference that would have made up 17 points?

What holding call, man?

They were hell, they was holding.

So, what holding call would have made up 17 points?

What did I miss?

What offsides?

What penalty that they didn't call that would have made up for 17 points?

Poe, I feel, I feel bad for my guy, Gilly.

He's gonna be all right.

Gilly gonna be all right.

You know, I know we're gonna be the only reason I'm saying he's gonna be all right, only reason I'm saying the Eagles are going to be okay, yes,

because it's so early in the season.

It's so early in the season.

Now, if we were in the back end of the season,

I give you one.

If it was after Thanksgiving,

things were looking the way they look now, I'd be worried.

I'd be worried.

But let me tell you,

when you show vulnerability early,

teams like they can be had.

That's the thing.

Now, because you're already going to get everybody's best shot, Ocho, because you're the Raining Super Bowl champs.

Absolutely.

You're going to get everybody's best.

But now they're like, hey, they're vulnerable.

They can be had.

The ferocity,

that defense is not nearly as vicious and suffocating as it was.

That's a rookie, Ocho.

I don't give a damn who back there.

That is a rookie quarterback in only his third start.

And he did that.

He did that.

And he didn't seem bothered by what you were doing on the back end.

He didn't seem flustered.

He didn't seem off kilter.

He didn't seem like, man, what are they doing?

I'm seeing ghosts out there.

He didn't seem that way to me.

Now, maybe somebody else saw something that I didn't see, but he looked perfectly fine to me.

Hey, I tell you.

I can see why AJ is getting frustrated because

I get tired of running under routes too.

Yeah.

I would.

I get tired of running short crosses.

They run, man, stop, man.

Give me something down the field.

It would be very interesting, Ocho, if we were to watch a cut up to all 22 and see how many times times he run further than 10 yards down the field right

yeah because i see i see a lot of people i see a lot of i see a lot of routes short cross over the ball under route slant route five yard out

man let that man run a deep over let the man run a comeback let the man run a dig damn yeah and more than because everybody goes ocho now they know he's not going deep i'm squatting on everything ocho i ain't getting nothing no damn back pedal because he ain't running no go ball especially the especially the better corners especially the better corners

that know and understand down a distance we understand tendencies we understand split we understand schemes we understand the route concepts okay

oh he he's he on top of the numbers oh he ain't going nowhere

you ain't run no damn gold rock from those top of those numbers oh absolutely not oh he inside the numbers Okay.

Oh, you try to run a shallow.

You try to run a shallow.

Either he run the shallow or he coming outside, one or the other.

I could just sit.

I don't know.

I think maybe

the casual fan doesn't understand

how

difficult the game of football is if it's not complicated, but how easy it is for those who study the game, who watch film, and are used to seeing things over and over and over.

Yeah.

So now the onus is on the offensive coordinator to be a little bit more creative to throw off those that you're playing week to week because now there's film on you.

There's a year's worth of film on you.

And you got to change things up.

Because if you don't change things up, you get what you see tonight.

You get players that are frustrated because the blueprint is out there.

The ingredients are out there.

And when the ingredients are out there, hey,

we know what this tastes like.

You got to change it up.

You do, Ocho.

And the thing is, just like a pass rusher, you can't give that offensive lineman that same pass rush move.

He'll eat that up.

After a while, he'll build up an immunity to it.

So you got to give him, hey, you got to, sometimes you got to turn speed to power sometimes you just got to go dip sometimes you got to wax on wax off sometimes you got a bull sometimes you got a hump you got to change it up the same thing with the offensive lineman hey sometimes they quick set you or jump set you sometimes they stab left and then they come back hey sometimes they sometimes they catch some it does you've got to change it up these guys are good very good And they break everything down.

Watch him.

Watch his feet.

Watch when he does this,

what he he does with his hands now watch when watch when he's in this stance look how wide his base is defensive off defensive lineman look at his stance

they pay attention they break everything down to the umpteenth

because the margin of error these guys are really good and the margin of the margin of victory is so small very small it's not i'm telling you it's not it's not a mountain

It is small.

It's the minute.

It's the details.

The devil is in the details.

Man.

Hey, listen, it's one of three plays make the difference.

That's it.

That's it.

That's it.

Two turnovers did not help.

Looked like the Eagles were going in, got a turnover.

And Jalen threw it was late and inside.

You inside.

If that DB can catch, he's going the other way with it.

And then it seemed like they were driving again, and A.J.

Dillon got the ball punched out.

That's two turnovers right there where you look like you're about to make something positive happen, and it ends up going the other way.

But

it's going to be interesting to see how the Eagles bounce back or how they respond in general.

Ocho, you do realize they didn't score a point in the second half.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, that second half.

The 17 was all from the first.

Hey, and on the tush push, that first one, the Garite guard jumped the count again.

Yeah, see, he all ocho, he almost has to jump the count because he has to keep the guy off the center.

Because if the center gets stand up, because remember, Jalen Hurst is coming right behind him.

So, if he gets stood up, so the guard, one of those guards, have to knock somebody off him.

Yeah, let him get some push.

Now, we can get Jalen Hurst to get a little push so he gets some leg drive.

If Jalen, if the center gets stood up, where's Jalen going?

Yeah, the play doesn't work.

I mean, the play doesn't work.

Yeah.

It's going to,

look, I'm sure Nick Seriana's like, you know, he's like, good, guys, this is a tough one.

It was a short week, but hey, it was a short week for the Giants.

Everybody's going to have at least one short week.

The Cowboys, yeah, the Cowboys will probably have two.

Because they got the Thanksgiving game and then they nearly

likely plays the following Thursday after that.

But

I think this tonight, we can talk about the Eagles till we're blue in the face.

But I think tonight was more about what the Giants did, positive and good, as opposed to the Eagles.

The Eagles have their issues.

But here's the thing: if I got issues and you don't take advantage of them, what good is that?

Mistake, when you make a mistake, can I make you pay for it?

Right.

You leave the door open, I walk in your house.

You leave something out at the table, I eat off your table.

Every mistake the Jets, the Eagles made,

giants made them pay for it the question is uh uh look sharianic seriani cut his teeth in calling plays uh and i know it's a bad because here's the thing anytime you do something that's abnormal people think you're panicking if i take over the play calling ocho what am i saying the guy that had to play calling he's not doing a good job be an offensive or defensive if i've reassigned people Hey, you were the class, Ocho.

Shannon,

Chad, get your book.

Move over here.

That means you were being a disruption.

You were doing something you had no business.

I got that all the time.

Shannon, can you move up here by me?

Why?

You know why.

So that's the way they look.

People are going to look at that from the outside and say, well, okay.

I thought what nothing was going on.

If nothing's going on, why are you making these changes?

Why are you making these moves?

But at the end of the day, I've got to do what's in the best interest of this team.

And if I have to take over the play calling, I don't want to.

I don't want to take over the play calling, but I will if I have to.

And the question is,

do you think Sirianni should or will take over the play calling?

Ooh, that's tough.

That's asking an awful lot of a head coach.

I mean, look,

Kyle Shanahan does it.

Andy Reed does it.

Sean McVay does it.

It's not a whole lot of guys.

Ben Johnson does it now.

But for the most part, you know, hey, I got lieutenants.

I let lieutenants do their job.

I oversee everything.

I hear everything.

If there's something, hey, nah, we're going to run it on this one.

Nah, hey, hey, you got that specialty play?

Do that.

I try to oversee everything.

So what do you think?

What do you think will happen or what do you think should happen?

I think more so a conversation.

I think more so a conversation is had between

Patula and Siriana.

Siriani, because Siriani has enough as a head coach, huh?

He has enough.

He has enough going on that he has to deal with.

He has enough on his plate as is.

You already have coaches appointed to certain positions, and they have their jobs.

Now, if you want a coach to do his job a little better or find ways to make things work, it's here now talking from an offensive perspective, you have that conversation with him and what needs to change and what he would like to see as a head coach.

But taking over the play calls this early,

to me, it sends them in panic mode.

And I don't think that's something that they really need is not to panic, but find a way, figure out what solutions we can take, what creative effort

can Petulo do in creating a little bit of creativity offensively and moving some things around.

Just throwing a few wrinkles in there, not going too far away from the game plan and schematically and the things that do work and that you like to do, but just throwing some wrinkles in there that give you a little bit more success that aren't predictable when you're out there playing.

OJ, you know how

coaches always ask the quarterback and the quarterback goes to the coach and says, these are the plays I like.

Yeah.

Go to AJ Brown and say, AJ, what you like?

What you want to run?

Give me a hint.

How can I help you?

What do you like?

Yeah.

Ask him.

I mean, Mike would ask me, hey, 84, what you like here?

Same.

Especially in that first 15.

Yeah.

You can't go wrong.

with basic cross.

You can't go wrong with why choice.

You cannot go wrong with those.

You give me one of those.

You give me one of those.

I'm good.

I'll make it.

I'll make it work.

I don't give a damn if he's playing outside leverage.

I don't care if he's playing head up.

I don't care if he's playing inside leverage.

He cannot stop me from going where I want to go.

He's going to ask me what I like.

Hey, you like the Zaro here?

Yeah, I like Zarro.

Yeah, I like Zarro.

I like Zarro.

I like it.

I like it.

You know, I'm really trying to get a touchdown.

So I kind of like it.

Ocho, I like it.

The tear going in.

I ain't really really trying to get no first down because they're only going to bite one time, Ojo.

It's like

you catch a fish and you hook him and he get off.

He ain't biting again.

Not that one.

Now, somebody else might get his ass another day in time, but he's not going to bite.

So that's the way I look at it.

Like, if I beat him on this Zarro this time and I get a first down, he ain't biting again.

So I like, I'm like, no, I kind of like, I kind of like

in the 10 for the Zarro route.

But anything else, Mike, hey, you do right choice, you do basic, hey, you do a

basic cross, anything like that.

I'm good.

I'm Gucci.

Hey, run Tiger Far Cross.

Hey, anything.

Just go to AJ and say, AJ, what you like.

Tell me, tell me, tell me what, if I said, AJ, give me your five favorite routes that you like to run.

Yeah.

And let me see how I can incorporate it in what we're doing.

Because all they do, Ojo, is that you got your plays and you watch the film and you see what the other teams did to their ass last week, and then you put that in and call it your stuff.

Bingo, that's it.

It's a copycat league.

That's all you do.

There's a copycat league and they do it every week.

Whatever they saw,

whatever they saw that worked on film, and you happen to be playing that team, they're going to do the exact same thing.

Formation might be a little different.

Absolutely.

What's going to be exactly the same?

You think AJ asked for a trade?

No.

Hell.

Oh, shoot.

You know what?

I'm not in AJ's shoes.

i'm not i'm not in his shoes i don't know i i'm i'm not sure and and being

being how he is his mannerisms his beliefs and and the way he moves and thinks is much much more completely different than that of what they think he is yeah i'm not sure he's the type to to ask for a trade uh but but he's frustrated devontae smith is frustrated for sure they they both voiced their frustrations i think it was maybe last week or week before last

publicly.

So

I'm not sure.

I think

AJ, look at it.

Because I understand.

I really do.

I really do.

Because I don't want people to think I understand AJ's situation.

AJ say they don't pay me to win.

They pay me for stats.

The only problem that I have, stats get me paid, not wins.

Not wins.

I told you, hey, remember I said that?

I said that.

The only problem is that, AJ, keep that with Sariani.

Keep that with Petula.

Keep that with what you call them.

I say, because when you voice it outside, people are going to look at you as being selfish and say you care about your stats than you do about winning, even though that's how you're going to get paid.

I get it.

Yeah.

But you're not going to be able to elicit sympathy from that fan base because we winning, ocho.

Just like, ocho, ocho, you winning, you like, man,

but y'all don't won seven games in a row.

How you go publicly and tell me about, man, I need to get the ball.

Right, right.

People gonna look at you as being selfish.

Although I understand what it's based on.

I just wish, like I said, I wish, because like a family.

Football team is a family.

I guarantee you spend more time with the football team than you do your real family.

Especially during this time.

Yes.

From basically from July when you go to training camp until your season ends you spend more time with them you do you do and you do everything you can to keep everything in house yeah when it gets out when it gets out now everybody has their own interpretation to what's going on exactly when you keep it in house don't nobody don't nobody know you know what the actual what's actually being said you know what and how to fix it but then once it gets out

yeah hey like i said that meeting i'm trying to figure out who how many people knew about that meeting, Ocho?

Somebody probably upstairs.

I guarantee you that.

Somebody knows he's some reporter, you know, a player talking to a reporter that they probably confide in and thought it wouldn't get out or they wouldn't tell anybody.

And all of a sudden, the rest of the world knows.

Trust nothing.

Trust absolutely nothing.

But now,

what I knew to be true all along, Kellen Moore is a damn good offensive coordinator.

Absolutely.

A damn good one.

He was good at Dallas.

He was really good at Dallas.

He was great.

He won a Super Bowl with the Eagles.

Normally, it's a little low.

Normally, Detroit don't seem to be having that problem that Ben Johnson left.

They don't seem to have that problem that AG left on the defensive side of the football.

Detroit is playing extremely well.

Remember what I said, huh?

Remember what I said when Ben Johnson left?

Yeah.

When Aaron Glenn left?

I said, even though the coaches left, the pieces of that puzzle are still there.

So you take the coaches out and the pieces of the puzzle still there.

You can still put it together.

Right.

You can still put it together because you still got the same pieces.

So it doesn't matter who called the play.

That's why sometimes when I hear coaches, when I hear fans say, oh, they want coaches fired when things aren't going well.

Well, hell.

Well, hey, if he had the goddamn players to execute, it wouldn't be no damn problem well bill bilichek was great at new england because he had the pieces including tom and now they want him you know that i heard he might get fired sometime this week in north carolina hey bill well what the hell you want to do

what you want to do well people look at it if you don't got jerry rice randy moss and larry fitzgerald you don't have good receivers but larry fitzgerald and jerry rice and randy moss ain't i mean it takes a special type of person to fit that system and randy fit the system for a couple of of years, and then all of a sudden he wanted more.

And Bill said, no, everybody's not going to be able to go, Ocho.

Weeks, I caught two passes this week.

I caught four passes last week.

I caught this.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Those guys are number one receivers for a reason.

A reason, yeah.

New England built their game of plan to win.

Other teams build their game plan around great players.

Right, right.

That's the difference.

So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays up.

I think getting away, hey,

Sirius, look, I don't want to see you guys till Monday.

I'll see you guys Monday.

Don't worry about this tape.

I'll see you guys Monday.

Come in.

Hey, we'll have a quick meeting, get a lift in, get a run in, run some of this out.

I'll see you guys Monday.

Got Tuesday off.

Let's be ready to come back to work Wednesday and fix whatever, whatever we got going on.

It's good to clear our heads, get an opportunity to get away from this.

Hey, you don't need to watch television.

You don't need to read the paper, get to stay off the internet

and be ready when we come back in here on Wednesday yeah let's be ready to work and get this thing done

get it right they're gonna have they're gonna have to fix it and don't let anything else come out the locker room don't say nothing crazy after the media

I'm not sure who might have talked to the media after the game I hope they took time to allow themselves to defuse from whatever anger whatever emotions you may be having take a shower first take a shower first cool off then talk to the media don't give them no ammunition

you know what i'm surprised of oh,

I'm surprised how many people, when they go to the locker room, the first thing they do is check their phone.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Okay, because I'm one of them.

I'm shocked by that.

Yeah, I'm one of them.

Yep, you

played in that era, you played in the era that they did have social media.

So

I'm glad I didn't, I didn't, I didn't play in that era.

I'm glad.

Yeah,

it just started.

It just started.

So I call social media.

The guy, do they think they check their phone at halftime too?

Um,

no, I don't know about that.

I don't know about that one.

I don't know about that one.

Yeah.

My last year, I checked.

Okay, I'm out here cutting the food.

Let me see what they see they're talking about.

What do they talk about on IG?

Oh, Joe, what do you think about the tush push four times?

Michael Parsons says this is not football with two trash emojis.

Hey, if you can't stop it, don't knock it if you can't can't stop it.

If the Packers were able to do it, that wouldn't be a problem.

So,

I mean, tush-push is not football.

So, let's talk about some of the plays that other teams run that nobody can stop, that aren't highlighted.

True.

We're going to start eliminating plays from certain teams that do one thing specifically well.

Just because somebody can do something better than anybody can do one thing yeah hey find a way to stop it

i know how to stop it i can't i can't give the formula on how to stop it yeah you know my brothers tell us all the time he says my my goal was to do my job do this one thing better than anybody else did anything

i'm fine yeah it seems to me that the tush push the eagles do this better than any other football team does anything else yeah

whether it's rush the quarterback, whether it's throw the ball, whether it's run the ball, whatever the case is, the Eagles do the tush push

better than any other football team do any other thing.

So I agree with you, Ocho.

Is it

aesthetically pleasing?

No, no, but it will.

I don't believe you should throw it out just because somebody can't stop it.

Right.

So

it's uh,

Michael Micah Micah says it's trash.

He got the uh the two trash can with the the guy

dumping dumping the trash in there.

What you think, Ocho?

Nah,

Micah, it's in being the competitor he is, it shouldn't matter where anybody else run.

Well, you want you one of the best in the league, you top three in the league.

It shouldn't matter.

You got to stop it.

Tampa, Tampa, Tampa is getting, what you call them, getting big days ready.

They dad, yeah.

Don't let them move you At all.

Clog it up the best way you can.

Yeah.

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Here he is, Alexis Alexis O'Hannon.

Lex, what's going on, bro?

How good, man?

Pleasure.

Absolute pleasure to be here.

Thank you so much for having me, guys.

Thanks for coming on.

We know you're one of the biggest advocate of women's issues.

What went into the thought process of creating this, this women's only track meet certain events and say, you know what, I want to do something special to highlight these great women athletes.

You know what?

Look, I'm obviously married to the goat.

We can get that out of the way.

Yes, you are.

Serena Williams is, you think about it, though, right?

Like, you know, it's funny.

I grew up in a household.

NFL was the only thing that mattered.

Football was the sport I played and I loved.

I didn't think about any other sport.

Didn't watch tennis.

I didn't know anything about it.

Now I got smart now.

I'm a big fan, obviously.

But, you know, at no point did I ever think that women's tennis was less than men's.

And if you talk to any sports fan today, they'd sound crazy if they thought or if they said that women's tennis was less than men's.

In America, frankly, women's tennis is as popular, if not more popular than men's tennis.

Look at how much money these ladies get paid.

More.

And obviously, Serena and Venus, they were the ones who, you know, brought that to the world.

You know, tennis is the perfect example where with investment and Billie Jean King made sure those ladies got paid.

That made it possible for two little girls in Compton to say, I'm going to change my life by playing this sport because I know I can be excellent and get compensated for it.

And then with the generational talent, you blew up the sport, made it bigger than ever.

And look where we are today.

And so it happened in tennis.

And I just realized here is another sport, track and field.

I know y'all are fans of it.

Biggest, most played, most active, most engaged sports.

We have a legacy of greatness, especially in the American women, historical and present.

So you had Melissa on it.

Melissa Jefferson, we had Anna Hall.

Tremendous talents, all of them.

And, you know, every four years, these ladies are superstars.

We tune in during the Olympics.

We cheer for them.

It's one of the most watched sports and then they disappear.

And I'm just a businessman.

All I want to do is see greatness continue to get celebrated because if there are eyeballs, there are dollars.

correct

every four years and it's not about charity it's about supporting these amazing athletes and i saw y'all during paris offering bounties

yeah 37 000 for winning a gold medal come on man love that love that and so

you know this is this is i think you know post reddit i've been really blessed to do some things in women's sports starting angel city this women's soccer team five years ago and now i think athlos is going to be a huge part of my legacy and i'm just grateful to be able to hear talk about it.

Yeah.

This year you added

the long jump.

This is in Times Square.

Will you be looking to add more events

in the coming years?

You know, obviously it's only a handful of events and I get that, but that's a start.

But

in the long term, your goal is to have how many events you think?

Oh, you know, look, every time we've added an event, It's been with an anchor star.

Because again, for me, social media tells the story.

Obviously, as a Reddit guy, I look at follower counts.

And, you know, I was

totally naive when I got into this sport.

So obviously, I knew the Sprincers.

I had a bias for the Sprincers because that's a quick story.

Yeah.

You know, you don't have to,

you ask a fan to pay attention.

I don't have to watch for very long.

And they're going to be an amazing show.

And, and, you know, the longest race we've got right now is the mile, which, which still keeps a pretty short attention span.

Obviously, if Kip Yagong was going for the World Records, Kip Yagong, yeah, going.

You got the GOAT running, so you good.

Special.

And but tara davis woodhall or i'm repping here you know i invited her she's got millions of followers on social media she's a long jumper gold medalist for the united states and a world champion and a world champion exactly and uh and i said why don't you come to the show come to athlos and she said i won't come unless i'm competing

okay challenge accepted so we put her on actually tonight in times square so i'm still coming off the high i got i can't be too loud here because my babies are asleep in the hotel suite and you know wife in the room but we had an amazing night in times square look at the clips i mean we had the best long jumpers in the world we shut down times square and and these ladies were running the top three are going to now compete tomorrow there's the photos um the top three are going to compete tomorrow at icon to which you all are both invited please come trackside suite i'm waiting for you we got siara performing dj trauma spinning in between the races we're going to have you know the fastest ladies in the world it's going to be a lot of fun you got faith kibbier going in the 1500 meters you got keeny hodgkins the 800 meter Olympic gold medalist.

You got Mazzai Russell, the 100-meter Olympic gold medalist in the hurdles.

You got Mariliti Paulino, the gold medalist in the 400 meters.

And you got Alexis Holm, who's a 4x4 world champion and mixed relay world champion.

Much of the complaint from the track community, Alexis, has been the lack of visibility.

Because like you said, the big events.

only happen the big event only happens once every four years so it's like they go dorm it's like we hibernate so we get excited 2020, 2024, yay, yay, yay.

And then I got to wait all the way to 2028 to do it again.

And we want to get behind you.

You know,

we like baseball and football and basketball players, because guess what?

We see them every year.

We get to root for, I get to, I've been able to root for LeBron for 23 years.

I got to root for COVID for 20 years.

I got to root for these guys, but I got to wait.

once every four years to see my my favorite athlete compete no it's it's it's ridiculous and you look at the numbers Again, none of this, don't ever get this twisted.

None of this is about charity.

You look at the numbers.

Track and field is one of the most viewed sports during the Summer Olympics.

Millions and people.

And so, you know, we were quite happy.

Last year, we had 3 million people on broadcast tune in.

We're expecting more this year.

And then our plan for next year, we've announced, so it'll be a team-based track and field league.

So instead of just one meet, we're going to have multiple meets in major cities.

Think of it like the formula one of track and field.

So companies like Mercedes and Ferrari, they have F1 cars.

They spend tons of money basically for marketing, right?

So you could think of some great apparel brands.

I wouldn't, you know, I could point to a few might think of that want to be associated with speed and excellence.

So imagine those as teams.

And then imagine now you have a way to see the very best to do it.

in this team format similar to like ncaa and so you can imagine you've got i mean if we just just say there's a hypothetical nike team you know you've got shakeri uh you've got tara davis woodhall you've got so many of these champs that now get to share a team not just around the olympics around a nation but around a brand and it starts to change the economics now because if i'm one of these shoe companies i'm all these apparel companies just like mercedes wants to be associated with speed and excellence and hold that trophy the constructor's cup the end of formula one you're also going to be able to test new technology on the track with the fastest athletes and you're also going to start telling a story, which is, look, if we're spending this kind of money on a team, you know, Lewis Hamilton knows what he's worth because he knows what it means to Ferrari to have the best to do it.

I think this starts to have a very positive impact in the way that we value these athletes.

And as soon as they're valued that way, they're going to get marketed more.

Their stories are going to get told.

And I want to buy a jersey.

I want to buy a Tara Davis Woodhall t-shirt with her name and her number and her team on it, right?

I can buy an Ocho Cinco jersey.

I can buy a Shannon sharp jersey i can't i can't buy a jersey for any track and field athletes because it doesn't exist not yet so let me get let me let me make sure i'm hearing you correctly

so you have teams and so these teams will be made up from men of women from all across the world so you might have keely hoskins uh being a teammate of melissa jefferson who might be a teammate of uh of faith kip yeago so it would it be something like the unrivaled league you see how unrivaled like they got teammates on one team like in the w nba but they're on different teams around you know when they play in the unrivaled so you're talking about something like that those kind of teams for sure in that you know and we love the unrivaled folks fee and everyone they've done a great job the difference would be our teams would be more than likely built around a brand oh okay okay so adidas nike

new ballots

announcing anything but imagine that scenario exactly and so now if i'm sitting here now obviously nike's got a great roster but you can't sleep on new balance with Sid and Gabby.

There's lots of talents, all right?

Yes.

And so now imagine if you were any of these other brands or any of the brands, really, you want to win.

Because just like you're, if you're Ferrari, you want to make sure you're holding up that trophy at the end of the season.

And so it'll mean, let's say we added a couple of other sports, maybe even throw in a thrower.

You start now seeing a broader team composition.

And

these brands are incentivized now to build out that roster and to support those athletes in marketing as well as in, you know, physios and sport, all this other stuff.

And I think really level up the way we think about what these brands can do.

And now you better believe, just like if I watch, I don't know, watch Mercedes win a Formula One race, it incentivizes me to want to buy a Mercedes sedan.

So imagine if I'm a sneaker company, how much it would mean to me to have, you know, the top to sneak at those team and what that means to move sneakers to everybody else, whether you're, you know, whether you're running your 100th marathon or you're doing your first 5k, like you want to feel like the best to do it.

And so, why wait four years?

I think you're absolutely right.

We shouldn't.

There's still great athletes even outside the Olympics.

Let me ask you something off topic.

Please.

You and Serena are competitive?

Extremely.

Thankfully, though, thankfully, though, not in tennis.

I've never picked up a racket.

Yeah, no, and thankfully, both of our daughters inherited most of my wife's athletic genes.

Although, you know, big fella, I still, I'd like to say I contributed some hype to the girls, but

they'll be tall like the, like Pop.

Yeah, yeah.

But, you know,

it's really interesting.

We're incredibly competitive in very different ways.

And

it's a blessing because I think, you know, in tech in particular, we delude ourselves into thinking we're the hardest working folks in the room.

You know, the industry, look, tech's done amazing stuff, certainly for my career.

And the industry thinks a lot of itself.

I always recommend friends of mine, other CEOs in the industry, I say, just

if you're single, right?

Date a professional athlete.

Spend time with professional athletes.

And what you see, and I'm preaching to the choir here, the amount of fortitude, determination, the willpower of a professional athlete.

And I have to say, the solo athletes too are next level.

Yeah, I mean, you know, teams, teams.

It's all going to be.

You know, those solo athletes are built different.

There is a

another level of intensity and determination and work ethic and an incredible, incredible competitiveness.

And so I knew, I knew I met my match

because I really thought I was the hardest worker in the room and the most competitive.

But

yeah, yeah, I know.

Yeah, because it's a different perspective because when you're in the tech industry or you're married, you're asking your significant other to understand your work hours and what's necessary.

As an athlete, they're asking their spouse or their significant other to understand the sacrifice.

So now they get an opportunity to see what each other have asked the other party to do.

And so now you're like, I am so sorry, babe.

I am so, I did not realize that I had put this kind of pressure and asked you to do so much more out of your

I never had that fight.

We have never had that fight about me putting in too many hours because she understood someone who knows, she knows, she knows what it takes.

And, you know, I'm not, I'm not breaking the barriers she's breaking in order to be great, but still, she knows what it takes.

And that work ethic shines, man.

And so it's, it's fun.

We're, we're competitive, but in really good ways.

Yeah.

And that's, and too, that's, that's a dope thing.

When you always think about people throwing around the word power couple all the time, they throw the word power couple around based on aesthetics, based on aesthetics, not the intangibles that, that, that you you don't get to see or you don't get to hear.

So it's really dope to hear the dynamic in which you two share coming from two different, totally different fields, tech and sports.

Let's be honest, the obvious, the elephant in the room here,

Serena.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's big old elephants too.

I'm a Marvel comics fan.

Oh, wait, not.

That's not, that's not the elephant in the room?

Oh, yeah.

No, we're, we're obviously from very different worlds.

Uh, even though she is a dc fan i don't get it i'm a marvel guy it's obviously better but uh

yeah no i know but it's uh like i said you you you find the commonality and uh and it's it's definitely been a hell of a ride you know we got to find y'all you know because you know you had

Benifer and and and you know we all you know

you know we we gotta get you you gotta you gotta get you gotta get a name I tried I really tried so hard to avoid that side of

the celebrity.

No, no, no.

And here's the thing.

Like, and that's, that's, you know, to my wife's credit,

and she and Venus is the exact same way.

Both those girls had to be so famous so early.

And, and, you know, you've already got the pressure of, you know, you know, having to carry so much responsibility going into that sport the way they were, total outsiders and dealing with all the bullshit they had to deal with.

And they became famous very young.

and you know i don't even tell you how many stories of people to whom that happens or it just goes off the rails right and

they have always been remarkably grounded credit to to uh you know mr williams and uh and ms oracine like they did a really good job grounding them in that and and it's funny because like even to this day it's never been about uh the celebrity part it's like the funniest thing people don't realize is you know some of the best days that i know she has and we have are some of the most boring suburban parent days, right?

It's, it's taking our daughter to ballet.

It's, it's a lot of things, frankly, that I think a lot of folks probably take for granted because they imagine, oh, well, geez, I'd want to be on the carpet.

I'd want to be holding up the U.S.

Open trophy.

I'd want to be doing all this stuff, which is great stuff.

Don't get me wrong.

But it's funny when you see someone who's been at the top of the mountain, who's had.

everything.

It's interesting.

The things that they value most are some of the things that most of us spend all our lives, you know, trying to sort of set aside while we're trying to do the other thing uh and it's those those simple joys man i want to you know alice when you told when you told your boys man guess who your boy dating

you never gonna guess who your boy going out with

yeah hey were they surprised were they you know they they probably started rolling out thing man not even close she bigger than them

he bigger than that bro

give your boy some credit so when you told when you told your homies the guys that you're very close to yeah these these are, these are my guys.

I've known them since

you told them

since I was five.

That's how long

since kindergarten, first grade.

Okay.

And

you know what?

Honestly, they weren't that surprised.

And really, what that says, I mean, okay, obviously, okay, let's just be, I wasn't out here, you know, just casually dating the greatest of all time across

to be clear.

But,

but, you know, I,

I don't know, I think these guys got used to me doing really exceptional crazy stuff and and even you know starting a company right out of college all this stuff i mean look i think um

i

it was it was actually really sweet my my pops my dad and he was the guy who whenever whenever tennis would come on tv he'd change the channel right because we're a football household everything else was like a country it was a country club hobby it wasn't a real sport and and i remember telling my dad and he kind of paused and he was just like wait one more time.

He, because he thought I was punking him.

He thought I was kidding.

And he's like,

you're dating who?

And I was like, Serena Williams.

And he's like, okay, come on, come on, come on.

You don't even know her stop.

There's no way.

What do you know?

You don't know anything about tennis.

How did you meet her?

That's just crazy.

And

you know, my boys, to their credit, they didn't bust my child's too much.

And

I don't know.

I think, look, it's on its surface, it's pretty surprising.

And I will say, say the

probably one of the most satisfying parts about it was at the time I had just come back to Reddit and we had met, I mean, folks, and we met randomly to breakfast at a hotel in Rome of all places.

And I was going to try to escape the job.

I had been there for six months, seven days a week.

Like I wasn't, my, my head of commons was like, you got to get, you got to go on a trip.

Like, get out of here.

You're, you're just redlining.

And she sent me to Rome to do the speaking gig.

I didn't want to go do it, but I did.

And I just pulled up at breakfast one morning and basically Serena and her team tried to get me to move.

I didn't move.

And

she was like, my team was planning on sitting there.

And I was like, that's fine.

They can come join me.

And, you know, we started a conversation.

And she pretended like she knew what Reddit was.

And this was 2015.

She was trying to be really polite, but she really had no, no clue.

And I mean, to be honest, Reddit wasn't that big back then anyway.

But thankfully, thankfully,

we kept the conversation going, and and she was curious enough about the tech industry that the rest is just there,

you know, Alex, I'm gonna get you out of here on this one.

A guy once told me, he said, He asked me a question, he said, Shannon, you know why movie stars marry other movie stars?

And I'm like, They like each other?

I mean,

he said, No, he said, Because the other knows what it's like to live in that world,

you know what it's like to devote time to be great, she knows what it's like to devote time to be great, so you guys know what it's like to live in the other's world.

and you bring these worlds together well it's not bad you know what and i and i'll tell you i i i will it is obvious how much like you said have having someone who is just so motivated on so many levels and i see i i mean the role model she is for our daughters you couldn't ask for a better better mother your children um she also taught me uh that there is more seasoning than just salt and pepper.

I have no idea.

I had no idea that you could use seasoning other than just salt and pepper.

So I've learned a lot.

But no, I really, I feel,

I feel so fortunate.

It's, it, like I said, it's been a hell of a journey.

And then, as a fun surprise, she's actually going to be handing out the Tiffany crowns at Athlos tomorrow night.

Wow, that's amazing.

And

she was feeling left out last year.

And so she was like, hey, I want to be a part of this.

And so, yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun for the lady.

So, on top of the cash prize, record breaking, they're getting those tiffany crowns to be good from the GOAT.

Well, we missed it.

We missed it this year.

But I promise you, we'll be there next year.

You got to.

And remember, we're going to have multiple meets.

So, New York.

We'll be there.

That's our thing, Joe and I.

You know, hey, we've talked to a lot of them during the Olympics.

We talked to them during the world championships.

And we, hey, we want to help any way we possibly can to grow the sport of track and field.

Obviously, we're very women friendly.

We want them to be the best.

Alexis, thanks for joining us tonight.

Tell Serena hello.

And we'll talk to you again soon.

Shannon, chat, y'all are amazing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate you, bro.

Thank you guys.

Tickets for the Apalos, New York City are also on sale now at Apalos.com.

Make sure you go get those tickets.

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Hey, Messiah already said she got her cash app ready, so she ready to get.

Hey, just punch it in.

Good to go.

Hey, matter of fact, I think I should compete, huh?

No?

Next year.

Okay.

Let them have their moments.

Thanks, Alex.

Appreciate you, man.

Best of luck on everything.

We'll see you down the road.

Thank you, guys.

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