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Part two is underway.

Savage, 21 Savage.

He did a tribute.

I know you're very you're good friends with Savage.

What did that mean to you?

Man,

just,

I ain't gonna lie.

Savage, one of the realest niggas I ever met in life, for real.

Like, he's so solid, bro.

And

it's because, like,

my friends, my brothers became his brothers, and vice versa.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, when he lost, like, people that he lost, like, when he lost Skinny and CJ and them, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, that shit, you know, it made me feel a little bit.

I sat down with him.

You guys' personality,

I can see how y'all guys became friends.

Yeah, no, for sure.

Yeah, we both Libras, too.

You feel what I'm saying?

Okay.

Yeah, that's my brother.

Like,

how we locked in, like, I'm seeing how he really take care of his people.

Yes.

And he cared about his brothers.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like,

I do the same thing.

You feel me?

And he was seeing that.

So it's like, when I'm coming to Atlanta, I'm really only going around him.

I'm hanging around him and his homies.

Like, sometimes he's not even coming outside.

I'm with his man's now.

You feel what I'm saying?

So it's like, they really became my brothers and vice versa.

The same way.

Like, he came to Chicago.

Like, he was just in Chicago.

He was in my hood with my homies.

I wasn't there.

Like, we really got that type of love and mutual respect for each other.

You feel me?

It's like...

When he saw what that did to me, like

with Lil Bro, like, that shit really hurt him too.

He called me about it, like, man, whatever you need.

Like, anytime any situation happened with somebody, with me or anything, like, he called him, like, whatever you need, call me.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's like, I still, I'm not going to hit him for sure.

That's my brother, you know, but it's like, I know for a fact he

there for me.

And in any situation, he going to be there.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I talk to Bro Dan every day.

Bro.

When Chief Keith moved to L.A., was that when you felt that you needed to make the move too?

Yeah, I ain't going to lie.

That was goaded.

I talk about that so much, bro.

Like, when Sosa moved to L.A., it just

made it possible for us.

Like, damn, you could just go to Cali and ain't got to look over your shoulder no more.

That was the coldest shit ever to me.

Like, I didn't even really like, and that's crazy.

We was just so young and dumb and naive to how much life is outside of Chicago.

You feel what I'm saying?

We like, damn, Social just moved to LA and got a big ass mansion.

Like, I couldn't wait to do that shit.

As soon as I, what Uncle Elroy said when I got that check, I was gone.

I changed.

As soon as I got a chance to move to LA, I was up.

Right.

I'm like, damn, bro, Social just started a whole new life here.

Like, he don't even gotta, like, think about that shit no more.

You don't gotta look over your shoulders, none of that.

Like, when we move to LA, it's not even like how LA was for real.

Like, I mean, how LA is now.

Like, I feel like COVID kind of LA up, where it's like, yeah, niggas getting robbed and certain shit.

Yeah, for sure.

That shit wasn't going on like that when we first came here.

Like, I've been in LA for like seven years.

Okay.

Sosa has been here like 10, 11, some shit like that.

You feel me?

So, like, when he, when he first moved to LA, like, I was like, damn, I can't wait.

Like, right.

When he made that move, it was like, and Sosa always been the blueprint for like, like, certain niggas might not say it, but, like, I'm going to always give bro his flowers.

Like, he really the

greatest thing to happen in Chicago, in my opinion.

Like, would you have ever left Chicago had he not moved to L.A.?

No.

Hell no.

I wouldn't have even know what to do.

Like, I wouldn't have knew that, like, damn, he would just leave and go.

Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, I would have had to see it.

Like, to see it, to believe it.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, he moved to L.A., I'm like, damn, that shit hard.

You feel what I'm saying?

And as soon as I got a chance to, I did it.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, just.

The best thing you've done.

Hell yeah.

And, like,

I feel like it saved my life for real, for real, for real.

Like, moving to LA 100% saved my life.

You feel what I'm saying?

And like, when Sosa got all that money, Sosa was 16 with real millions of dollars.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I was 16 with some money.

I had a couple hundred thousand.

I ain't had no millions of dollars at 16 years old.

You feel me?

So it's like his life was different.

You know, like he had the big mansions, the cars.

Like, he was really like the inspiration for us.

And my homie, who I was saying, Cap, like my homie Marvin, who I was saying was like cocky on the block where he told us not to move right that was one of Sosa best friends they grew up together they from the same project so that's how I knew sosa like when I first started rapping was around the time he started rapping and we really like was homies you feel what I'm saying like Sosa is somebody who I really consider my brother and it's somebody that still like even though we the same age he always inspired me you feel I'm saying like motivated me like all right bet so that was your first interaction with him because One of your partners was his partner.

That's how y'all met.

Y'all linked up.

Interactions was in the studio together.

Okay, real.

Okay.

Like when we like 15 years old.

You feel what I'm saying?

I started.

He had his own, basically kind of like his own studio in his hood with

his homies and his engineer.

And we just came and

paid for studio time there.

You feel me?

Because my homie, like Cap and Wap, who brothers, who grew up with Sosa, they like.

referred us like man y'all should go record right there just pay for the studio time and we would come like sosa be recording when he of course he was always the first priority so it's like when he done recording then we get studio time.

So like that's how we really met.

Wow.

You said Nicki Minaj was really the first one to give you an opportunity.

She wanted a feature.

Yeah.

But when she called you, you ain't answered the phone.

No, I ain't believe it.

I didn't believe it.

So she called it, she called your phone.

You're like, she said, would she sell nation?

She was a person.

No, she was.

So look, she didn't, the original call.

It wasn't her on the phone.

Okay.

You feel what I'm saying?

It was Safari on the phone.

Okay.

So when they hit us, it was like four in the morning.

I'm in the studio.

I'm half lean and pills and all type of bullshit.

Okay.

They like, yeah, man, Nicki them trying to get you to come to Atlanta and do no verse.

I'm doing a verse.

Like this Nicky them team on the phone.

You like, you want to talk to him?

I'm like, man, hell no, ain't no Nicky them, bro.

Like, man, go on with that shit.

Like, that's what I told my manager.

Like, bro, he's like, you want to talk to him on the phone?

I'm like, man, no, I know that's not them.

Like, man, you tweaking.

You just, because at that point, we hot.

So people call and playing on the phone all the time.

So it's like, oh, man, that ain't them, bro.

They call back like two, three years later.

I mean, not two, three years, two, three days later.

Two, three days later, like, what the f y'all doing?

Like, we're trying to put y'all on the plane to LA to come do this song.

So then I wound up talking to him on the phone for real.

Like, I bet.

Now they serious.

And I got on the plane and I did the verse.

And she was just telling me, like, like, how she fucked with my music.

And, like, she wanted to do the song.

The beat that she had.

She wanted to do the song like with my cadence.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's why, like, I'm going to always fuck with nikki and respect nikki because she was like i'm trying to use your cadence and your flow and i ain't want to feel like i was like biting like biting your flow a swagger jacket even though she a female and i'm a male like it don't really matter she right i ain't want to feel like i was using your flow

and not show love and put you on the record and at that that time like i wasn't really like

a real like i felt i could rap but i wasn't like a real mc where i would have caught it like if she would have put that song out without hitting me i wouldn't have been like oh she stole my flow in this shit.

I wouldn't even notice

because it's Nicki Minaj.

I wouldn't even thought about it.

Damn, she's using the same pockets that I'll be in.

I didn't know that much about lyrics and pockets and shit.

Like, I used to just go and rap.

Like, everybody used to say I rapped off beat when I first started rapping because I would just go, like, you know, as one by two by three by four bars, and it's a different pocket or cadence on the beat that classifies what's one to four bars.

Right.

I wouldn't start on a one.

Sometimes I'll start on a two.

Sometimes I'll start on a three and just rap.

So people would say I was off beat.

Technically, I was, but I was fitting a whole bar into that, like a whole sentence into it where it still made sense.

So it's like some people hated me for it.

Some people loved me for it.

You feel what I'm saying?

So it's like, I never would have noticed anything.

You feel me?

But she pulled me out there.

And I did diverse with her in the studio.

She had me in the studio with me.

I mean, with her.

And I spent like a whole day with her.

Like, yeah, we was just chilling and talking and shit like that.

And her studio was big as shit.

So I first, I started like recording part of my verse in the booth.

And she like, all right, yeah, I want to do something real quick.

I'm trying to do, like, she told me she was finna do something like for her verse and work on another song.

So she like, like, it's another studio, another booth.

I never seen no shit like that.

Damn.

She's like, yeah, you can record on the other side.

I'm like, damn, it's the other side.

Like, I couldn't believe this shit.

Like, that shit just really inspired me.

Like, boy, it's a lot of money out here.

You got to go get this shit.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, and after I did it, I went home and just turned me into like a monster.

Like, I made, after I did that video, I probably made like a half a million dollars just grinding.

Just like, I'm going to do shows, I'm doing shit.

I was young as hell.

Like, I'm probably like 16, 17 years old.

You got bread like that?

I wasn't no longer older than 18.

Hell, yeah, I made a lot of money after I did that song.

You know, like, I really credited it to her because she just made like, well, I got a song with Nicki Minaj.

I got to go get all the money that's out there.

And I did it.

Is that how you got a tour with Cam, Cameron, Future, and T.I.?

So is that how you got on with them?

Because you did the first?

Yeah, I did.

I was on, really, I did, got a shout out to Johnny Schipes, man.

It's my brother.

He managed me for about a year and a half, and he had put me on the Smokers Club tour.

So that's how I really had met him.

I met Cam and

I met T.I.

We went to Atlanta.

for that tour.

You know what I'm saying?

Like that's when I first met him.

And it was just like brief, like just in passing, chopped it up with him, told him my name and shit like that.

And then when he he came to Chicago the next time, he linked up with me.

Yeah.

Damn.

Yeah.

I fuck with Tiff.

He's solid.

I mean, I mean,

Cam, I mean, look, I ain't heard nothing but good.

I met Cam once at a CU game, but every artist that you hear talk about Cam, they say, what a straight, what a solid dude.

No, Cam.

I mean, I've never heard an artist say anything negative about Cam.

Like, what you see is what you get.

He one-thou with you all the time.

Yeah, Cam did some real shit, too, when I was on tour, on the Smokes Club tour, I was like,

I think I was probably like the first opening act, and he was headlining.

Wow.

I was first.

It was like two more people after me.

He like,

he told Schipes them, like, bro, you don't see he turning up every night.

You need to make him like co-headliner before me.

So I went from like the first opening act to headliner with Cam just off of him like seeing my show and turning the shit up.

Like, I really kind of, I bumped up, bumped up a couple acts.

If you know, you do that, you get paid a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I ain't trying to open, but I might not close, but late, put your boy closer to the back.

Yeah, no, for sure, he's super solid for that.

When you talk about Chicago rappers, obviously, you, Kanye, Keith,

Carmen.

Carmen, I think you was trying to, you were going to audition for a barbershop three, right?

Yeah, I was.

So, did you talk about that today, too?

So, did you, had you ever met Carmen prior to that?

I did.

I did.

I had met.

My first time meeting Common, I believe we was at

an event, like some non-for-profit stuff.

I just introduced myself to him.

And then the second time we met, me, him, and Chance had a song that was going on my mixtape.

And Mickey, my manager, put it together.

I had already knew Chance, so I had put Chance on the record.

Then he reached out to Common Team, put Common on the record.

Comment comment so solid, he pulled up, shot the video on 87th and Stoney, like in his old hood for real.

Damn.

So he was super solid.

And I just always like, damn, he a real, like, like, he a real one.

So when I did

the audition for the barbershop for the script, I had already had his info.

And they told me, like, comment in the movie.

I'm like, man, I ain't never read no script before, bro.

Like, I need some help with this shit.

It's like, he told me to come to his hotel.

He was staying at the Langham downtown.

I'll never forget.

And like,

I'm like, damn, man, this rich as hell.

This big ass

big ass hotel room, man.

This shit was huge.

Come in there, we audition it for the, well, he, like, helping me with the

lines.

He helped me read.

And it's like, it gave me a different kind of respect for him just because he gave me that opportunity to do it.

And two,

I wasn't like, I wasn't ready to be an actor yet.

Like, I didn't have it in me at that moment.

And he was so like it went from all right yeah this common big bro to no i'm acting and you acting like just like the look like and like because the script i'm reading i'm having to talk to like a gangster you know what i'm saying it's like his whole everything

his whole demeanor changed his whole demeanor changed where it's like he really transfers

and i'm in my head like what the How the fuck can he do that?

It was crazy to me, bro.

And it's like, it made me uncomfortable because I'm like,

all right, bro, snap back real quick.

So we get better talking like we were.

Yeah, yeah.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's like, but he helped me.

I did it.

I put it in.

And I didn't get the role, though.

I didn't get the role because I just, I couldn't lock in into that.

Like, I couldn't.

But I just, I'm going to always fuck with bro because he really, he told me, like, man, come here.

I'm going to help you with this shit.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, what's some of the best advice Carmen gave you?

Because obviously he's in the rap game, but you know, he's kind of, he does more in the TV and the film industry now.

But what was some of the advice did he pass along to you?

That day, that exact day, he told me, like, bro,

you gotta always, like,

like, gather information, like, read on stuff.

Like, you know what I'm saying, before you make a decision, like, read, learn about it.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, that's what he told me that.

And it was like, it ain't had nothing to do with acting, though.

Right.

He's talking about like music.

You feel what I'm saying?

Being an artist.

Like, he, like,

read articles about

label shit.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, read articles about

The

touring like shit like that like read articles about the touring business, you know I'm saying like

Read the dictionary like shit like that like well if you really want to be a lyricist and he said that because he had put me on His album right before that and that shit got nominated for a Grammy too.

He put me on his album and the project the beat that we did was produced by no ID and he was just like bro like

you young but like you a real MC, like a spitter.

He like, the more knowledge you get, it's just going to make you better as an artist, like, better as a rapper.

And I listen, though, I ain't going to lie.

Like, I really, like,

I read a lot of shit now.

Like, I ain't going to lie.

Like, I read a lot of shit and I be reading, like, I read a dictionary.

I'll be trying to learn new words.

Like, from that point on, and my homies never like seeing my homie Manskey, he had contested to it.

Like, he like, bro, I always be reading a dictionary, all type of shit.

Like, I go to Google and just try to learn new words before I start rapping.

And I feel like that make it like it just elevate where it's like you're not rapping about the same shit.

You feel what I'm saying?

Can't nobody really teach you that but an MC, like a real MC for real.

You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, shout out to Big Bro, man.

I got a lot of love for Connor for sure.

You did a

you did a song with Kanye, but I don't think it came out.

How many times Kanye?

Kanye is known for making guys redo their verse over and over and over.

Rose told a story that he had him do a verse.

He said, what you mean, Rose ain't hard?

But he said, hey, Ross, I I know you go harder than that.

Yeah, he did that to me for sure.

He made me redo my verse about three times for sure on that one record.

I think I did two records for Kanye that didn't come out.

I pulled up on him in the studio, and I seen, like,

so basically, like, how he record or work on certain projects, like, it's just live mics.

I had all us in here right now, everybody just doing cadences, right?

Rapping, saying shit, it's live mics.

So, it's so much going on, that shit kind of like got confusing.

Right.

You feel me?

I'm like, I ain't never seen it before.

And he freestyled and he asked me, like, all right, hit something, say, four bars, eight bars.

And I'm like, all right, I tried, but I don't even know

what we basically rapping on.

It's like an a cappella, all type of shit.

So I ended up getting the song.

He's like, man, I'm going to just sing you it, and I want you to record your verse to it.

So I recorded my verse in, like, New York, sent it back.

Told me to redo it again, like, change so much stuff.

And I sent it.

The final verse that I sent, though was like super fire like hard hard hard i wish i could really like call him and just get the shit like i don't you don't even got to be on it give me my verse and i'm gonna redo that and put it out right now you feel i'm saying like that's one of the hardest verses i feel like i spit for sure though man one thing i learned in this in this business though like when you do stuff and it might not work out or come out like you can't really take it personal right i didn't like fault kanye or nothing like that or feel like damn i did all this shit and he ain't put the song out like i ain't really care i was just really grateful for the opportunity and grateful to like be able to get in the studio with him and just do some rappers do get upset if they give him a track and they don't, the guy don't, they don't.

A lot of rappers get upset about that.

Hell yeah.

Rappers get up.

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Getting rap beefs about that type of shit.

Really?

Yeah, hell yeah.

Niggas get mad about that shit for sure.

Like, when you don't put them on a project or they pull up on you and do shit, but it's all art.

It's all creativity.

And a lot of times, for a lot of artists, it'd be out of their hands.

I wouldn't say that for me because I've always picked my songs for every project, you know saying or majority of them, and then I'm I believe in like constructive criticism.

So my team around me might be like, no, this is a better song.

This is the hit, this radio, and I don't really, I never really focused on like radio records and stuff early on in my career.

So they would have that input, but I would really do the body of work for real.

So but other artists who write who they team pick the whole mixtape or album and like they have no input or they don't, you know what I'm saying?

So it's like that happened a a lot you know a lot of times people just don't make the cut and artists get mad like they'll stop with you for real

I never been that artist though like I always just never took it personally like oh yeah it's cool I ain't really tripping like my first interaction with Kanye is he talk walked up to me like

man you gotta like

You gotta start like tripping with these niggas.

You gotta start dissing these niggas.

Stop letting niggas steal your style and steal your flow.

And in my head, I'm like, damn, I ain't even know you really listen to me enough for like you to say, niggas take out my flow, like what my flow is.

And then you hear somebody else's record, be like, oh, he using herbo flow.

He using this shit.

And that was the first thing Yay ever said to me.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, that just made me kind of like, oh, yeah, I fuck with you.

You ain't told me.

You feel what I'm saying?

That was way before I did the records with him or any of this shit.

You know what I'm saying?

So when it didn't make it, though, I was really just mad that.

I don't have a verse to use because I don't.

Had you asked me to put a verse back?

No, I did not need to.

I'm asking you right now.

Yay, send me the zone.

Send me the verse, and I'm going to put that shit out for sure.

Like, just my verse, because it was fire.

I was talking about, like, Chicago shit.

Like, just a lot of shit that was, like, near and dear to me.

Right.

You mentioned that you want to rap on his song, Through the Wire.

You want to wrap up with that?

I wound up.

I actually wound it up

doing it.

I did it for my project.

Greatest rapper alive.

But I was always scared of that sample, though.

Like, because it's just like, that's one of the hardest songs ever to me in general.

You know what I'm saying?

And then me being from Chicago and it being yay, it being that simple.

Like some things you just don't want to run up on because the internet gonna troll you.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, hey, Herbal could have left that alone.

You kept that shit.

You know what's coming.

If you don't do it right, man, he could have left that alone.

Yeah, so certain ones I don't really run up on, but at that time, I had a lot of like pain in me, like built-up emotion.

My pops had just died.

I was talking about, like, you know, I felt like I couldn't rap on that unless I had something

that was, like, super, like, pain-driven, like how he did.

You feel what I'm saying?

From him getting into that Kyrak almost losing his life, right?

He rapped about almost losing his life.

You feel what I'm saying?

So it's like, I came from a perspective of me rapping about the stuff that I'm enduring at this moment and being successful.

And I ain't gonna lie, they f with it.

Right.

The fans definitely f with it.

Well, I'm gonna put you on the spot.

Give me your four best Mount Rushmore Chicago rappers.

I ain't going to include myself, though.

Okay.

I'm going to do Sosa,

Juice World,

Yay,

and I'm going to do Smirk.

And I could explain it.

I didn't really include myself because I don't really like including myself

like that, even though I do feel like I'm on a lot of people's Mount Rushmore.

You know what I'm saying?

But I'm just talking about me personally.

And that got to do with

influence and what you did

for the music and like the music industry coming out of Chicago.

So it's like, got to go juice real because he just, he did something phenomenal that nobody really ever did for real.

And then Sosa

because

just like the impact that he had on us in Chicago and the world and so young doing it like Sosa still one of my favorite artists still regardless, you feel what I'm saying?

Then Yay,

that's an undeniable answer.

Yeah.

And then Smirk is just,

what I admire the most about Dirk is

he always been, like,

me watching from the very beginning, he always been somebody that, like, through all the adversity of any trials and tribulations, he always been able to, like, overcome that shit and reinvent himself.

Like, I've seen him reinvent himself so many times and just become one of the biggest artists in the world.

You feel me?

Like, that's one thing

that I admire the most about Dirk.

Like, outside of his talent, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, that's what really makes him the GOAT to me.

Because when you come from where we come from and been through the stuff that we've been through, it's easy to give up.

It's easy to be like, man, I'm finna just keep track.

Like, he'll switch it all the way up and master that.

And then if that don't work, switch it up, master it,

and just keep elevating.

You feel me?

Like, that shit like a superpower to me.

Right.

You compare Juice World's Death to Tupac and Baker for your generation.

Why?

Because

all of the lives that he influenced while he was here, you feel I'm saying, like, he was somebody that

he was like a real global superstar mogul for like the

kids that were like misunderstood and the lost and the hopeless and stuff like that.

Like, you feel what I'm saying?

He gave people like

reason to want to live.

Like, people who contemplated suicide and stuff like that, those were the people that his music touched.

And when his life was cut so short, it devastated so many people.

You feel I'm saying, it devastated a generation of kids.

You feel I'm saying, the same way being a Tupac devastated a generation of people.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I wasn't trying to, like, and people kind of like took that the wrong way.

Yeah.

I wasn't trying to say, like, he was as big as Biggie a Tupac.

Like, you feel I'm saying, like, he done as much as being a Tupac I'm talking about the the effect that it had on a whole generation of people where it's like his music of forever live on and

When people die like post humans music post humans it always like go up it become big but like his is

10 years 20 years 30 years from now like it's still gonna be here you feel I'm saying that's what I meant by that like because the people

who loved him so much if they was 10 years old or whatever when they turn 40 years old those songs gonna still touch them the exact same way that it did because they're gonna remember his legacy like that's what I meant by that

when you got the word that he had tragically passed away from an activity on the overdose yeah

um

I was in LA at the time

and

I think my girl called me.

My girl called me first and told me.

And I got mad at her.

I'm like, man,

what the are you talking about?

She's like, Juicero just passed away.

I'm like, man, he's tripping and just hung up.

Like, when, like, I be in disbelief when I be hearing that type of shit.

I don't, it just, it throws me forward.

Because it's hard when people that you know, people that you know, they're not supposed to die at 20s, then their 20s, and then their 30s.

That's not supposed to happen.

We supposed to be like 75, 80 years old.

Well, such and such had a heart attack and such and such.

You don't expect somebody to.

He was so like, he had reached the height of like so much success.

Yeah, you feel what I'm saying?

And

I feel like he was just reaching his peak.

Like, it was his birthday.

I think he died six days after his birthday or something like that.

You feel me?

It's like, that was my little brother.

So it really, like, it messed me up mentally.

You feel me?

And he died on December 8th, I believe.

And we were supposed to shot a video on the 11th.

So I was on my way to him.

You feel me?

Like, finna meet him in Chicago.

And it's just like, that shit just threw me all the way off when I got the information.

And

like, like, just him being like,

just, he like, he was just like a good ass kid, bro.

Like, for real.

Like, even the way he died, like, you rich as f ⁇ juice.

Like, you rich as a.

You get pulled over by the police and you swallow 50 pills, 40 pills.

However, the fuck many pills he swallowed because he's scared.

Like, you was going to overcome that shit, right?

Them little pills, they ain't give a f ⁇ about that shit, bro.

I threw that shit in the corner.

I don't want to hear that shit sit on the counter.

Like, dang, come get it.

For real.

Like, bro, I got 50 million.

I ain't finna go to jail for these little dumb ass pills right here like you feel me like it just lets you know like how pure he was like you feel i'm saying he didn't know no better like you know what i'm saying you know the term like god forgive fools and babies like that type like he was just like super naive to the shit you feel i'm saying it's like that's what me up the most because it's like bro you ain't even have to do that right that shit wasn't about nothing but

You've told a story a few times about how you had a substance abuse problem.

You mentioned, I I think, early in the interview that you was 15, you started taking pills.

You started, you know, smoking weed.

You know, obviously, you know, you talked about how you graduated to lean.

And so you went to

twice.

Yeah.

How difficult is it to come to the realization?

I got a damn problem, man.

Yeah.

When it become like your part of your lifestyle for real like so you couldn't function without it I couldn't function without it like I had to drink lane every day.

I had to pop pills.

I had to do this shit to eat food.

I say a lot of times, like,

I used to really be in rooms and I wasn't there because mentally my brain is somewhere else.

I'm high.

I'm thinking about shit.

I'm grieving, like, just thinking about trauma where it's like, I'm just maneuvering through the room.

I might say what's up, introduce myself, but it might be somebody that I probably should have had a conversation with.

But I couldn't do it because my mind is somewhere else because I'm altering my brain with these drugs.

I'm thinking I need this shit to function, but it's really like.

You're masking something.

It's making, I'm asking something.

You feel me?

Like, I can't even be in the moment because

what's that saying?

Like,

when you live in the past, it's

grief.

And we live in the future, it's anxiety.

Like, I'm never in the moment.

Like, I'm thinking about before I get in this room, what's gonna happen?

Yeah, it's gonna play out.

You feel me?

Instead of just enjoying the moment.

And I became that person for like like so many years.

You feel me?

Like, I used to have to

take Zans and perks and shit just to go to sleep.

Like I said, like, I still, right now, to this day, I have insomnia.

Like, I don't sleep.

I've been like that since a kid, since 15 years old.

You feel me?

Like, and

I used to drink a lot of it.

It don't make it no better when you got money.

Right.

Yeah, because you got access to it.

You got access to it.

You feel what I'm saying?

So it's like, I'm going through pints and pints of lean and going through

100 pills a month.

Like

that.

Yeah, for real.

It was bad.

100?

100 a month.

I'm popping four or five pills a day.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like probably more than that.

Did you, because you said you started like 15?

Was it dealing with the trauma that you saw?

You saw your friends, you saw your homies, and they're losing their lives.

And you're trying to mask that because, you know, kids...

I feel it.

Yes.

Kids are not supposed to have to deal with that.

Yeah, like you don't want to feel it, man.

You got to like,

I was a freshman of high school still.

You You feel what I'm saying?

I started experiencing all this stuff.

I'm taking these drugs to not feel emotions.

Like, as a human being, you're supposed to feel emotions.

That's the only way you're going to grow.

That's what makes us human.

That's the only way you're going to grow.

You feel what I'm saying?

So it's like, I was trying to not feel stuff.

And this was really, like,

when I learned the fact that, like, all right, bet, yeah, you might.

Temporarily, all right, you might be high, but when you wake up the next day, that's shit.

You're going to have to deal with it at some point in time.

It get worse.

Like, you wake up the next day, like, damn like i was tripping like you know i'm saying you might get into a situation it's like all right i'm gonna get how i want to think about this right when you wake up sober the it's still it's still there you feel i'm saying that situation that you tried to run from yeah it's right there it's still there you know what i'm saying and

i was just like i didn't i didn't say i was gonna go to rehab you feel i'm saying but people close to me like my closest you know what i'm saying family people that you trusted the most yeah they like bro you just gotta go like you know i had just had a son i just had my first son and they like bro you just gotta go to rehab like you know you getting too high like

you just you lashing out you angry you feel what i'm saying like you ain't listening to nobody like that shit make you angry as fuck

it make you real angry like and i just i felt like i was losing myself because

At the time when I first started, I was a regular dude.

You feel me?

Like, I was becoming somebody.

But now it's like you 22 years old.

You got a son.

You a superstar.

Like, you can't just be out here like

that.

You feel me?

Because at the end of the day, what you think is normal is not people judging you.

People seeing you outside, like, he's high all the time.

Like, you know, he's, why would I want to give you some money?

Like, why would I want to?

Can I count on you?

Can I count on you?

Are you reliable?

And

I was just like, all right, I'm going to try it.

I'm going to do it.

But I went.

I got sober.

It was good.

And probably like a year, a year and a half later, one of my closest friends died, and I went right back.

I just started back getting high, like you know, that was like my escape.

The thing you run to, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, damn, man, I'm stressed out, I don't want to be around this bitch, sad, crying, finna just get high, so I don't feel it, you know.

And I started back getting high

for about probably another year, a year and a half, and I went again.

Like, both times when I had to go to rehab, I spent like $30,000 or some shit to go.

It was like a seven, eight-day process.

You get out, they flush out everything out your system.

You on IV so you don't got to go through the withdrawals that's another thing like when you drinking lean and popping pills and perks and all that shit the withdrawal

the withdrawals worse than it's worse than anything in the world you don't even want to feel it you feel I'm saying so it's like that's another thing that people run from like you can't like regardless you gonna

it's gonna come what come what happened in the watch come out in the rinse yeah I'm saying every time you feel me so it's like

you might run from the withdrawals and you might keep on doing this shit for however long and then it's going to catch up to you when you get older because your body can't take this shit.

So it's like it's best to just if anybody

when they put you in that when they put you in that when they put you behind that concrete wall.

Yeah.

That's the worst.

Yeah.

That's the overly worst.

They ain't doing no drugs to get to have the withdrawal.

I seen that though.

Like I seen that with my own eyes like getting arrested and shit.

You seeing like dope fiends and shit on the floor shaking and using the bathroom on itself and all that shit.

Like that shit is real for real you speak very very highly of therapy you say

we should do it trust me that's someone that have gone through therapy you say someone has gone through therapy

you you need to do that thug um I don't know how well you know him he said

caused some criticism that he would feel less than a man if his girl went to therapy

I think what he like I can't really say what slime meant by that for real like that's my brother but I feel like Slime, one of them people, like, he's a critical thinker, too.

Yeah, and he one of the people that like

to dig deep into conversation.

Right.

Like, he feel like, I think what he meant by that is like

he feel like his girl should be able to talk about it.

He trusts and confide in him so much.

Whereas, like, you know, and I don't know if Slime ever tried therapy before, you feel me?

So, he probably might not even understand what it might do for a woman or a female.

It's certain things that a woman just not gonna talk to a man about.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, no matter how much y'all trust each other

because sometimes you want you want someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight exactly she talking

you talk

slam got a dog in the fight yeah yeah as someone that's win the therapy yeah yeah and as my therapist and I'll never forget the one of the greatest things she ever told me herbal she said she sat I mean she sat across from me just like you my girlfriend was sitting right there

she said mr.

Sharp

are you arguing to be right or are you arguing for right

What did that do, though?

Like, what?

I like,

she said, because at the end, right is there.

Are you arguing to be right or are you arguing for right?

I want to be right.

Yeah.

This is how it was.

This is how it is.

Yeah.

I ain't arguing for no right.

I want to be right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Once I understood, Shannon, we can.

It ain't me versus you.

It's us versus the problem.

It's right versus wrong.

Absolutely.

She said, Shannon, you communicating.

You speaking, she said, your girlfriend is speaking Mandarin Chinese.

You speak in Spanish.

So either you learned each other's language, but you're never going to be able to communicate.

That's some of the really shit I ever heard.

I've never heard this.

You're arguing to be right or you're arguing for right.

99.9% of the world argue to be right.

To be right.

Exactly.

And so when she explained it like that, and I was one of those guys, you know, grew up in the South.

Man,

we don't have no emotions and we don't go talk to nobody nobody about problem.

You could talk to me, we could work it out.

Yeah.

But what she's like, but no, you got a vested interest in this.

Somebody needs to hit a problem that doesn't get the benefit from it.

And so when you share, when you, your girl or your wife, or whomever share their problem with someone, they're just listening.

Okay, somebody come in and share that problem.

They're just listening.

Because me, I'm going to a, and that's why you have to keep family out because family, they're going to side with herbo.

Yeah.

You better side with me.

off.

Okay, I'm gonna turn the water off.

I'm gonna turn the water off.

I'm just saying, absolutely.

But that, but

being all honesty, my sister is the only person that I've ever met

that I can tell her.

I would tell us things,

and she would tell me I was wrong.

Yeah, you gotta have people like that.

She would tell me.

I was brother like that too, though.

And I was like, I was like, like, I'm your, I'm, I'm, she's like, Shawnee, you're wrong.

Yeah.

And it, it takes me to a place and it helps me understand.

But therapy, it took me a while to understand because I was the exact same way.

But when that lady told me, she had another, she said, Mr.

Sharp, are you arguing for right or you arguing to be right?

And she said about the communications Mandarin Chinese and Spanish, I was like, Man,

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Communication is everything.

Yeah, it is, definitely.

It is.

And

it's just, it's just, and I'm not a great communicator.

I'll be the first to admit I'm a withdraw.

Right.

So I've just the same way too, though.

I just need space.

I just, I don't want to talk anymore.

I'm the same way.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm definitely the same way.

I just don't know what he's talking about.

I try to avoid a lot of communication and confrontation.

You don't want to take it all the way there.

I'm just going to go ahead and give it to you.

You're right.

I was wrong.

No, you just said that.

You know, I was like, what the?

You say what you want?

No.

Like, now, see, if I elevate my voice, you go talk about why you're doing that.

I just said you was right.

I was wrong.

But you don't mean it.

Yeah, no, I'm definitely the same way.

But I feel like when you have somebody, like you said, like you just gave a perfect analysis.

It's like when you don't have a dog in a fight, you need to have somebody that really could be able to say, right is right, wrong is wrong.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, and that's what therapy does for you.

Yes.

You feel me?

And I was never the type of person that felt comfortable opening up anyway because for one, I don't want nobody to judge me.

Correct.

Two, I don't really want to feel my emotions.

I want you my emotions.

Exactly.

I don't want you in my business.

I don't want to feel like certain emotions where it's just like, I don't want to relive a situation.

You feel me?

Like, if I feel like I've, you never really move past it.

You just ball it up and put it in your back pocket and you try to run from reliving that situation.

But sometimes you have to in order to really like grow and being able to like deal with certain people because as humans, we have triggers, you know,

don't know what trigger you.

You feel I'm saying so it's like you got to get over certain situations because you might treat somebody

who's really good for you or doing right by you because you got a certain trigger for something that you didn't live 10 years ago.

You got to heal.

And they don't even know about this situation.

So they're wondering why you so mean to me or why you doing this or why you snap so quick when we talk about this subject.

And you never talked about that trigger.

So like, I feel like that's what therapy is has done.

Like, help you.

Therapy will help you from bleeding on someone that didn't even cut you.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Because

no matter where we go or how big we,

when you're in a relationship,

you're dealing with that person's trauma.

Be it childhood, be it adolescent, be it at some point, you're going to have to dress back.

Whatever it is, and you have an issue, and you're going to have to address that trauma.

And if you don't get it addressed, the person that you care about the most or that's with you at that point in time, that's going to feel it.

Gonna feel it for sure.

It's like, I didn't really, I ain't understand that early on, though.

Like, I used to try to be so good at going outside and smiling, acting like I'm okay, and like taking on masking that pain.

And just, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, dealing with people because I gotta be an artist, I gotta take pictures, I gotta do shows.

Then, when I come in the house, I'm releasing all that anger, and it's just like, it's so,

I'm not being the right person that I should be to my girl, to my mom,

to my kids, the people who closest to me, because I feel like I'm comfortable here.

And it's like, I'm angry, angry, I'm pouting around.

And they like, what did I do?

And you take it on the people that's the closest to you.

You always do that.

And I had to really like learn to stop doing that.

Like, I ain't going to lie.

My girl pops told me some of the realest shit I ever heard in my life.

He like, bro, I know you deal with a lot of shit, but just remember, whatever you going, look at that doormat and leave that shit outside, bro.

Like, he told me that.

And I swear, he told me that probably.

Four years ago.

And I really think like that.

Like, if I go in the house and I'm angry, I got an attitude.

Like, I try to like take some time to like breathe because they don't got nothing to do with that.

Yeah.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, we take it out on the people that we sometimes the closest to us that we love the most.

Yeah.

He told me that he, like, bro, I know you.

Like, I know you going through shit.

Like, I know.

And it had to be from conversations he having with her.

Yes.

You feel what I'm saying?

He's like, bro, just leave it at the front door.

Right.

You feel me?

Like, if something happened where it's like, all right, bet, she caused the problem or, you know, like, address it.

But, like, you can't go in there on defense mode where it's just like, you don't want to have certain conversations, or you upset because you didn't dealt with this, this, this, and this.

Like, she ain't leave that shit at the door.

You lean back out, pick it up, and address the world with that energy if you have to.

Right, leave it at the door at your house.

You've also worked with a little Dirk.

How difficult is it to see him going through the situation that he's going through right now?

That shit is painful for sure.

Because I feel like the whole situation with Dirk is like

that shit happen to anybody, in my opinion, like in this field, because

you move it fast, you don't know who to trust or who doing it.

You can't be accountable for other people, you know what I'm saying?

You feel me?

And not even to speak on this situation because it's still he going through it.

But it's like, you can't be accountable for

a situation.

So, what other people have done or whatever the f ⁇ ing.

And a lot of times when you get that big, people work overtime to try to pull you down, to try to pull you off of that mountaintop.

You feel I'm saying, and I feel like that's what happened to Smirk.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like,

me still, like, I'm not even going to allow him to be, like, for real, for real.

Like, I know, I feel it.

Like, I feel it.

I know he coming from under that shit.

Like, I know for a fact that's not the end of his story.

Like, he coming from under that shit.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's like, a lot of times you kind of,

I hate to say, but, like,

coming from where you come from certain times, God just, like, throws situations at you so you could be able to see the playing field for what it's for.

Like, see who for you, who not for you.

see the people that's counting you out, and come back 10 times stronger.

Like, sometimes that shit just makes you a different type of animal, type of beast, where you just like hearing, like, damn, everybody counting me out.

You think it's over for me, huh?

And then when you come out, it's just like you better than you ever been.

Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, I know for a fact that's what's going to happen to Smirk.

Remember, my grandmother used to say, Boy,

life will give you a lesson until it teaches you what you need to know.

Now, it keeps giving it to you.

Now, you're going to learn, you're going to

one way or another.

Yeah.

It's gonna learn, you're gonna learn this lesson that's being taught, and uh, you, but you're right, when you're around people, you don't know, and the thing is, the hardest thing is the trust, and sometimes you trust the wrong people, you put your trust in the wrong person, and it's just

ain't no coming back.

Let me ask you this: purchases.

You got some money now, you say you get that bread for half a bill, got a half a bill at 16.

You're like, ooh, okay,

when you first got your bread, what you do?

First thing I did was I bought my mama a house, I moved my mama out Chicago, far away.

And like,

I started, like, I ain't gonna lie, just doing dumb shit, buying cars, buying jewelry, like, going to the hood, just looking out for everybody, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, shit like that.

Right.

Like, when I was 17, like, I'm, I was still outside on my block, like, all the time.

You feel me?

And you got bred like that, and you still outside?

Yeah, still outside, riding around through the neighborhood.

Like, I didn't, I didn't

really like

lock in and fully focus on my craft until I became like

22, 23 years old.

Like, for real, for real.

I was

still in the hood and

going through all type of silly ass shit.

You feel me?

Like, you look back and have us like, man, I squandered some, man, I squandered some damn good money on some foolishness.

Yeah, and it's like, I feel like I wasted a lot of time where I really should have been like

getting better.

Like,

I feel like I would have 20 times more than I have now if I had that mentality early on.

Because I would get up and I wouldn't go to the studio.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I wouldn't go to the studio.

I would go outside.

I go shopping, go buy clothes, go get high, ride around my homies' nims, just doing shit like that, and go to the studio when somebody called me to go to the studio.

It wasn't my mindset.

Like, I wouldn't wake up and be like, I want to go to the studio.

It would have to be for my manager.

Somebody would be like, yeah, we got a studio book.

I need you to do this.

I need you to do that.

My mindset was never never on music it was just on being in the streets I woke up and wanted to be in the streets like every day so the purchases are limitless like I was buying all type of like just car I used to buy cars and I was just so young and fried

I had money like I could have built my credit up I never wanted to put a car in my name like I used to just tell people like yeah go get me a car like Any way you can like I'll just pay you and I lose the car impound it and never go get it back go bid another car.

Like, what?

Because I was so fried, I'm like, I don't want the car my name.

Shit, anything happened, this motherfucker don't need to be in my name.

But you building credit like that, though.

I didn't know nothing about no credit.

Ain't nobody tell me.

Like, build your credit card.

I'm glad we're talking about credit because I credit with Tim.

Yeah, like I had for 400 credit without.

So I had to tell.

So you said when you started getting the money, your credit was like, yeah,

I got some of this shit.

No, no, to be honest with you, G.

When I got, when I got,

when I, when I, um, I was in in the league, man, I couldn't even, I had to get a cosigner to get a car.

Really?

Yeah.

But that's because we don't get taught about credit, though.

Ain't nobody teach nobody about it.

You're right about that.

So it's like, I, and

my mom and them, like, they knew about it, but I kind of like shut them out.

You feel me?

Like, my moms and my pops, this is what I really regret, though, like, when it come to family.

I should have let my family in more because they had my best interest.

Yeah.

And I was like shutting them out because I felt like,

man, y'all don't know what y'all talking about.

Y'all ain't never had no money like this.

How y'all telling me?

Y'all don't know what y'all talking about.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, and I really should have listened for sure.

Because my pops was trying to tell me to like build your credit, go through this, bad building.

Like, I was, I ran through like six cars in one year, like

bad porsche, crash, you do something, bad beings, bad is bad jag, like shit like that.

Just

stupid.

You got kids now.

What type of dad are you trying to be?

What type of example are you trying to set for your kids?

For real, for real.

I want to.

Like, just being a hundred, like, being honest, bro.

I just want to be a hundred with my kids.

I just want to be honest and let them know like the harsh realities of like the world.

Okay.

The stuff that I've been through to get to where I am.

You feel what I'm saying?

And

especially with having a daughter,

I want to let her know, like,

niggas ain't shit.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Niggas ain't shit.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I was this kind of man, baby.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, you're going to deal with this.

Like, you're beautiful.

You're going to deal with this.

Just understand.

But make your own decisions as a woman.

Do what you want to do, but know right from wrong.

Know what's right.

Know what a man's intentions is regardless.

And then you make your decision based off of that.

Like, especially for my daughter.

And

for my sons, I want them to

and

i think a lot of people who like got money and made it out and have kids that's like born out of poverty think like this like i want my kids to know how it feels to work hard and earn something yes yeah like something just know how it feels to work hard and earn and with my oldest son i see it like he's very spoiled and privileged So when I try to like

be stern and discipline him, i feel like a conversation and go further than a whooping like i can't really hit him all the time when he doing wrong right i gotta talk to him and tell him like

this is what you did this is what i feel like you should have done this is what happens if you keep on going down this road you feel i'm saying he only seven years old so i got to talk to him and have them kind of conversations like i want to be that dad where you like

you could trust me you feel me like and my father was and I get that from my father, but I didn't, I was naive where I felt like I shouldn't talk to him.

And I could have talked to my dad about anything I was going through.

And he wouldn't have judged me.

He would have helped me.

Like, I was afraid because for a long time, I feared my dad.

You know, like, it's, I mean, you're supposed to fear your parents, you know, but you should, like, respect them and feel comfortable enough where you can talk to him.

Like, I would lie to him before I tell him the truth because I was afraid of what he might think or what he might do.

I don't want my kids to feel like they got a lot of me.

I want my kids to feel like they could tell me the truth.

And I might be highly disappointed.

You know what I'm saying?

But you got to tell me the truth.

And I didn't learn that about my dad until I became an adult.

When I became an adult, me and my dad got real close.

Like we became best friends.

But for years, I didn't communicate with him about certain shit.

And he was right there.

Like, he was with my mom in the house with me.

And I wouldn't tell him certain shit because it's like

I feared him until I didn't.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like got to a a point where it's like, yeah, I ain't scared of you no more.

I don't got to tell you shit.

You feel me?

Like, I don't want my kids to have like that with me.

Why was it important for you to wait until you became financially stable before you had kids?

Yeah,

that was mandatory for me.

I had to.

I just felt like

the stuff that I seen.

with my family and people around, like I wanted to be able to provide for my kids and be able to, like, do it comfortably.

Like, right.

I couldn't, I couldn't see myself having a baby, and I'm just still on knucklehead shit.

Right.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I couldn't.

And you a baby, or you a baby yourself, baby.

Yeah, exactly.

So it's like, I didn't, I knew, like, you know, how you get that gut feeling, that intuition, like, all right, it's cool.

I could have a kid.

Like, you get to a point where, like, you get enough success or money, like, I could have a kid because I want to have a kid.

I don't even got to have to be with the mama if I don't want to.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, that was kind of like my mentality when i was growing up like you know like i'm like hell no i ain't i ain't having no kid right now

because i don't want to deal with like no baby mama and not having the control whereas like you know when women get upset they do spiteful stuff especially when money involved correct saying so it's like no matter what i wanted to always be in a position where even if we not cool or on the best of terms or whatever i could provide for you because you the mother of my child or provide for my kid like i understood that because I seen it so many times.

I seen my aunties crashing out and doing the worst of the worst because you mad about the smallest thing.

You know what I'm saying?

That really could just be a conversation and me the most frustrated when we broke.

So it's like, you don't want to talk.

You don't want to have conversations.

You don't want to do this.

And you just be like,

Like you might neglect your kid.

You might neglect your baby mama or whatever the case just because you like I need to go get some money I don't even want to talk to you So you miss it so much.

It's like I never wanted to be that guy right

yes your son's on social media yeah and he went viral because he said stop calling me a y n calling me a y n yeah yeah yeah and i mean that had made me proud

you took the words out i said that had to make you feel good yeah no that made me super proud man it's like my kid he's he's really smart your son is very very smart he's very articulate like he

And I don't even know what made him say that.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's like, because he look up to me, don't get me wrong.

Like, he'd look up to me and head stuff.

Like, he knows, like, I'm come from the streets.

I've been through certain stuff.

And it's like, he just was like, I don't want to be classified.

It's no Y-N.

You know what I'm saying?

Does he ask you about, does he ask you about your upbringing?

Does he ask you a little bit about what?

Yeah, yeah, he do.

Like, he asked me about certain stuff, like what I did to ever be arrested.

Right.

And

if,

like,

like, asked me about like my homies who passed away, you know what I'm saying?

Shit like that.

Like, what happened?

What happened when you got shot?

Because

it's all public record.

He can see it.

He can see it.

That's what you got.

The internet now is different.

So what you got to protect.

It's different now.

For sure.

Like, you got to protect your kids from that.

And you got to

be so

in front of it where it's like you don't make split decisions because it's going to be there forever.

Right.

You feel what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So, yeah, he asked me certain stuff.

And

I got to him the truth.

You got to.

Because you're going to go read, you're going to go dig and read and find out.

And I told, like, I had a conversation with him not too long ago.

I'm like, son, the streets is, like,

it's bad.

Like, you, you live a great life.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

Your dad is a millionaire.

Your mom a millionaire.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, you don't, you don't have to

make the choices that I'm going to make the choices that I made.

You feel what I'm saying?

Because he's still, like, he might go around, like, family members, my cousins on my mom on them side.

Like, they still in the trenches a little bit.

You feel what I'm saying?

I gotta remind them, like, you're not that kid.

So, like,

when you want to live that lifestyle, it's only two things that come from it, death or in jail.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, literally.

And you have the opportunity to be everything you want to be, anything you want to be.

Like, you so smart.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, you don't have to, like, because the internet, like, he want to be around his cousins, them, and they listen to, like, King Vaughn and a lot of music, but y'all not that though.

It's okay to listen to the music and enjoy it.

You could enjoy music.

If you had a rapper, it's cool.

Yes.

But don't fall so deep into it where you want to like idolize it and be that.

Yes.

And be that, you know.

So I had to have that conversation with him.

And his mom even called me, like, I don't know what's wrong with him where he thinks he like tough.

You know what I'm saying?

You know,

she like, you ain't tough, but your ass living in a penthouse uphill.

Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Like, you ain't never had a tough day in your life.

So, like, I had to have these conversations with him, you know, and then it's like, my

is a regular kid, but he's a celebrity, so everybody like boost him up and let him get away with it.

Like, yeah, your son, it's cute to them, you feel what I'm saying?

It's like it's cool when you're seven, but then when you get 17, 17, ain't gonna be a problem, you think it's that you know what I'm saying.

So, I'm I had those conversations with him where he knows for sure, like, nah, that's not what we're doing.

Like, co-parative.

Um, you make it work,

I mean, you gonna be patient, thank God.

How are you able to do that?

Um,

for me, man, I'm not going to lie.

It's like

I always just

with women, you got to be able to forgive.

You feel what I'm saying?

You got to be able to forgive and you got to be able to hold yourself accountable to when you do wrong.

For sure.

Exactly.

So it's like.

But that ain't how we operate.

That's not how we operate.

I don't want to talk about what you did.

Don't worry about what I did.

We'll talk about that later.

We can be 21.

Yeah, for sure.

So, like, with me, I just, I promise, bro, I always like felt like, man, it's gonna be all right.

Like, shit will get greater later.

Like, whenever I'm going through shit with my girl, even at home, or I was going through shit with my baby mama,

I just always was able to like forgive.

And sometimes my girls get mad at me, like, you just forgive her all the time.

Like, no matter what she does.

Like, I don't really take it personal because it's like, I know for a fact I'm not going to, like, no, I'm not going to say I don't take it personal.

I took a lot of shit personally.

But for sure, when you're younger, you don't.

And you're young, so

I take all the, yeah, I'm not sure.

I know for the love of my son, I can't hate you.

Right, correct.

Like, I feel like that'll make me a bad dad.

It's certain people who really like start hating their baby mama, so now it kind of like it dictates how you parent your child.

Correct.

I'm saying, like, I never wanted to be that guy, and guess what?

That situation will never change.

She won't always go be the mother of your child.

So, whether you see he's six months, he's six, 16, 26, 36, regardless.

Yeah, and I never wanted my son to grow up and be like,

treating my mama bad.

You feel me?

Like, so that was always something that, like, I just was like, man,

I got the short end of the stick

a lot, a lot.

Just trying to be like, man, I just, I just want this shit to work somehow.

Like, I'm saying, because, like, you, my woman.

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I love you.

You feel what I'm saying?

Right.

It's my son, mom.

You feel what I'm saying?

I'm going to have love for them regardless, you know, because it's my son mom and i love my son unconditionally and i have to no matter what like even if i'm upset my son he's smart as bro like i could be mad me and mama probably was arguing or some and then it's like when i pick him up i don't want to like argue have the energy around energy around i'm gonna be like hey what's up right get my son get in the car you feel i'm saying like like that so it's like i always was able to just like a fan caught a

rug a fan caught a disagreement you seemingly what's happening with one of your kids uh in the car yeah it's just one of my main moments with tyena yeah yeah no you know what's so crazy it was recently like right yeah yeah yeah yeah

so

this situation me and her wasn't arguing right she was frustrated because actually me and my security him right there i was arguing with this guy right there

me and him So it was like a situation where we was in a club and I had like words with a security guard and just telling him like, man, move around, get away from me.

And

I think he did something that offended my girl.

Right.

Like, you know, and I was like telling him, like, you feel what I'm saying?

Telling him, like,

he did something that offended her.

And he was like, kind of like, my security was just like, all right, cool.

Oh, I know him.

Like, he was like, I'm trying to tell her to explain this story, like, explain it.

And he was like talking back to me.

So me and him, just, me and my, we like this, we like brothers.

So it's like, we had those heated arguments.

And

when I'm on 10, 10, I'm on 10.

I can't really like confident.

Ain't no reason.

Ain't no rational.

I'm already on 10.

So my window was down.

Right.

And Tyena kept telling me, like, let your window down.

I mean, let your window up.

You arguing.

Somebody's finna catch you.

Somebody's like, she knows, like, she don't play that shit.

She don't want to go viral.

She don't want no type of nothing.

Like, you feel what I'm saying?

She's telling me, like, let your window up.

Somebody's going to record you arguing because it's fans walking out.

I'm not listening to her.

I didn't care.

Me and him already.

We already here.

We already heated.

I'm like, man, all that.

So when the girl walked up, she just catched me arguing.

But she catched Taina with an attitude to like telling me, like, let your window up.

I'm steady telling you, let your window up.

And she see the girl recording.

So they thought I was arguing with her.

I never was arguing with her.

I was arguing with my security.

Yeah, with him.

It was him.

It was his fault.

Women.

Carnib said, if more loud, do you see a woman to go after a man in a relationship as opposed to a man going after after a woman in a relationship?

So,

like, I don't really get what she meant by that, though.

She said women, like, say if a guy's in a relationship, it's more likely that a woman would approach a man knowing he's in a relationship as opposed to a man knowing a woman is in a relationship would approach her.

I believe that.

You agree with that?

Yeah, I agree with that.

I think I do, too.

I agree with her.

You introduce you.

Hey, how you doing?

I got a man.

Once you tell me you got a man, I'm good.

Yeah.

You can't have no friends.

Yeah.

You know, know, I ain't hate none of that.

You told me you got a man.

I'm cool with that.

Exactly.

I'm cool.

Because I already know how men are.

Men, men, might not even like that woman.

Yeah.

But let another man show interest in her.

Exactly.

Now you got a problem.

I don't want no problem.

Absolutely.

Because I'm just going by what she said.

She said she didn't have nobody.

She got somebody.

Yeah.

Well, let me take that back.

She might not have him, but he got her.

So it's still a problem.

For sure and then it's like with women i ain't understand it early on you know because i was i was raised by women for real yeah so i understand and i understand like

women like i heard some real when i was young like women emotions are like like oceans like men say what they mean women say what they feel correct you know so it's like

when you when you dealing with a woman especially if you in love with her you love your woman and you doing right by her women to try to really come between it you know what i'm saying and really try to like you know just want

what the next woman got.

Correct.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I feel like men don't really do that.

Like, men don't really be like, oh, yeah, I want this because so-and-so.

So got it.

They just, yeah, like, that's not really in our nature.

You feel me?

So I definitely agree with her when she says that for sure.

And then you thinking about it, certain men would not, like, if you got sense, common sense, like me and you guys, like, you know, though, certain men gonna go to the furthest extent about a woman.

Like, some of the biggest empires, some of the biggest world, the wars in the world

over a woman.

Yes.

You feel I'm saying?

So it's like if you're not really willing to risk your life or risk your freedom and do certain shit behind

trying to pursue a woman and you know that that's probably what come with it is like nine times out of ten most men just gonna wash their hands you got it when they see it getting to a certain extent you feel I'm saying like so Women not like that though.

When women feel that friction from a woman and they going back, they just keep going.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's the opposite.

Right.

I saw this thing the other day.

Let me know what you think.

They said, like, men would probably,

if a woman, if his girl, significant other, whatever the case may be, cheated on him,

if his friends didn't know, homeboys didn't find out, he would probably take her back.

But it's when the homies or the friends find out,

he can't do it.

Yeah.

He can't.

That's a lot.

Yeah, it's like, nah,

Yeah, for sure.

Absolutely.

That's why you keep your stuff off the internet.

You do.

That's why you keep people out of your business.

You can work a lot of things out.

Just you and her.

You and her, for sure.

But the moment, because if you date publicly, you got to break up publicly.

If everybody's in your business and they know you date such and such when you break up, everybody going to be in your business and know why you broke up.

Yeah, no, definitely.

And like,

I feel like, I definitely feel like that's true.

It's like when

if you love somebody enough,

you could see past a lot of people.

You can work past it.

You feel what I'm saying?

But then, when you got a lot of people with your ears, the homeboy, you know, like

I know you ain't gonna put up with that.

Gee, that be gas, yo.

That's tough.

Band the sharp, I know.

That's tough.

I've been knowing, man.

I know you 40 years.

That's tough.

That's tough for sure.

That's definitely tough.

Because it's like,

as a man, like, you know, we possessive as well.

Yeah.

That's mine.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, this is mine.

So, like,

even

if your girl might have stepped out on you or did certain shit, it's like, you really deep down don't want to see her with nobody else.

You feel me?

Like, you don't want to see her with nobody else.

But your pride about let you, like, all right, babe, you lose her.

And you might really live your whole life in regret.

Like, damn, this is the one I let get away.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I done seen that shit happen a lot of times.

Like, with my uncles, like, people in my family, I done seen it happen a lot.

You feel what I'm saying?

And I think my mom and dad

lasted and been together 30, 40 years because

no matter what, my daddy was not letting my mama leave.

I done seen my mama try to leave my daddy a couple times.

He wouldn't let her go.

They took that deaf dude apart.

He wouldn't let her go.

Like, I know for a fact my mama done tried to leave my daddy at least three, four times.

Right.

Can men be in platonic relationships with women?

Can you have a best friend

that's a woman?

I believe so.

I really believe you can, for sure.

It's just like certain men,

like if you're attracted to a woman, that's another thing.

I think that's what makes it frustrating.

Yeah, that's what's what make it frustrating.

You can't be attracted to your best friend because y'all know too much about each other.

One of y'all going to damn near try each other at some point.

You know what I'm saying?

But I definitely do feel like that, though.

Like, you know, like,

I seen it for sure.

Like, I've never, I think just because I was in the streets, I never

befriended a woman before.

Because I just know like women's emotions.

Like, I just feel like I could never really trust a woman unless I'm in an intimate relationship with them.

Correct.

I couldn't trust a woman to just be my friend and know shit about me.

Only person I open up to is my woman.

Woman.

So, hey, you coming up on 30?

Married.

And it sheaves something else, man.

I need something.

Hey, you got you, Jay the bottle.

This shea smooth, man.

Hey, y'all, y'all.

She's smooth as a motherfucker, man.

So, marriage in the future, I mean, you, I mean, you want more kids, you want a wife?

That's, that's where I'm at with life.

Like, that's my next step.

I'm finna get married, like, for real.

I'm about to marry my woman.

I think I was.

You were gonna go and do that, huh?

Yeah, yeah, hell yeah.

I'm about to marry her.

And that was really just like.

Just that elevation and growth.

Like, I was always that, I'm a critical thinker.

Yeah.

Steps ahead.

I ain't want to get married till I could afford a ring that cost $300,000.

Yeah, damn.

Awareness, a million, like shit like that.

I was always on that type of time.

I always envisioned myself to have that.

You feel me?

I kind of cut my relationship short because

she didn't even want that, like, need all that.

That's what I was on.

Right.

Let me go on.

That's what you wanted.

Let me go get the money, do this, and do that, and get in the comfortable space where it's like, all right, I could do it.

You know, big weddings ought to impress other people.

That ain't for you and your girl.

And I wanted to impress other people.

I did.

But it was still like for her, too, though, because when a woman feels like it's like,

you don't get to experience that again.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, you only get one life.

You only get one real dream wedding and shit like that.

You feel what I'm saying?

But like, where I am right now, though, like, I'm, I definitely, I can't wait to marry my girl.

So that soon, we get what we talk.

We talking a year, two years?

Yeah, for sure.

Hell yeah.

I'm ready to, like.

You ready to do that thing now?

You seem, you seem decent by the you set up in the chat with me.

I get on one knee right now.

I'm ready to go home if you please.

Drill rap, are you shocked that New York and UK taking over drill rap?

Honestly,

I'm not.

I'm gonna be honest.

Really?

Because,

like,

I feel like Chicago kind of lost touch with drill.

Like, just the, and what I mean by that is, like,

the production, the sound, you know, like

the up-tempo shit.

Yeah.

In Chicago, drill,

it always was about like street shit.

You know what I'm saying?

You're talking about gangsta shit.

But I think Chicago just got too gangsta.

Where they just talking about...

It ain't even like appealing.

Like, when Drill came out, that shit, you could play that shit, it'll turn the whole club up.

Right.

Like, turn everything up.

And

when New York and the UK learned to master that, they mastered it and started making hits from it.

I haven't heard a real drill hit from Chicago that's undeniable in so long.

Like, yeah, the young niggas, they go up, they talk about street shit and shit, but it's like, I feel like we lost that touch of drill in New York and the UK, especially the UK still got it for sure.

Like, it's kind of dying out a little bit in New York, but in the UK, 100%, like, they got it when it comes to the drill wave.

You feel what I'm saying?

Like, I'm going to get it to him.

I tilt my hat as one of the pioneers of, you know what I'm saying, drill rap.

And I think that's only because you have to, no matter what you rapping about, that shit got to be catchy, bro.

They still making undeniable hits on the drill shit you feel I'm saying it's like I'm a fan of it I listen to it myself all right we're gonna get you out of here on this one tell us about the album and what made you choose the photo that you chose for

um

I just wanted to like

go back and like remind the world of

who I am like what it took to get here, like where I come from, you feel what I'm saying?

Because I could really be dead or in jail right now, you know, and I've done so much.

And I had a conversation with my manager with Mick.

He told me, like, bro,

you don't really understand like how much legendary shit like you done really did.

Like, you really, like, somebody that's influenced and impacted so many lives and done so much.

And you got so much to go.

Yep.

Like, you have, you still have, your trajectory is so high after you.

You come a long way.

You got a long way to go like it's still looking good for you, you know I'm saying

and

When he said that I just started like going back looking at my old videos like looking at old interviews and like googling like my old pictures when I was a kid and I came across those mugshots and I'm like

I'm gonna make this my album cover.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I wanted to like paint that picture and tell a story.

Like I've been doing it at a high level kind of since I was a teenager.

But at that time, I was really like,

I was up against a lot.

Like, that kid on that mug shot could not be here right now.

Right.

You feel what I'm saying?

And I wanted to, like, people to see the pain in my ass.

Like, when I put the first announcement out, my first mug shot, I was like 11 years old.

Wow.

I couldn't believe it.

Like, I seen that picture.

Like, I was a kid.

I looked like Yosan going to gym.

I couldn't picture me seeing my son with a mug shot.

You feel what I'm saying?

It's like that just lets you know what we was up against early on.

You feel me?

It could have went totally left, but I did it right.

Like I went the right way.

You feel what I'm saying?

And

that's what I wanted to like show the world because I'm always...

Don't get me wrong, I got my core fan base, the people who love and support me, but I'm trying to tell that story to the people who never heard of me ever before, like never heard my name.

So that's what I wanted to like, you know, because you might hear G.

Herborn, all you probably know is went legit.

Right.

You don't know nothing about walking the face old man.

You don't know nothing about that kid that was 15, 16 years old on the block, freestyling, and made it from there to here.

You feel me?

So, like, that's why I chose that picture for sure.

Go cop the album, Little Herb.

Here he is with G.

Herbo.

Thank you, bro.

Peace with you, bro.

Peace with me.

All my life, been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price.

Want a slice.

Got to roll the dice.

That's why.

All my life.

I've been grinding grinding all my life.

All my life, been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice, hustle, pay the price.

Want a slice, got to roll the dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.