Club Shay Shay - G Herbo Part 1

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Speaker 9 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 9 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price. Want a slice, got to roll the dice.
That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 9 paid the price, want a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 9 Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.
I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay.

Speaker 9 Stopping by for conversation on a drink today is an undeniable and influential talent. One of the most popular artists from the Windy City.

Speaker 9 He's this generation's premier voice for the voiceless, a top-tier MC, a platinum-selling rapper, a songwriter with vivid storytelling ability, a respected community leader and philanthropist, a pioneer for the mental health in their hip-hop.

Speaker 9 He's admired as one of the most beloved family members in rap. A loving father, aka Little Herb.
Here he is, G Herbo. What's up, man? What's up, bro?

Speaker 9 I appreciate you, man. Man, you got a birthday coming up.
I got an album coming up. Man, let's toast up this old shade, see what you think about this here.

Speaker 9 I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait to get some of this shit.
I want you with your honest opinion now.

Speaker 9 Give me your opinion.

Speaker 9 Smooth, I need a bottle.

Speaker 9 Say it no more. I need a bottle.

Speaker 9 Say it no more.

Speaker 9 This album, Lil Herb. Who's Lil Herb? Lil Herb is a kid from the east side of Chicago, one of the most poverty-struck and dangerous neighborhoods in Chicago, who

Speaker 9 just had a dream, man, a dream of, you know, rapping and making it out, but was

Speaker 9 knee-deep in the midst of the fire. You feel real.

Speaker 9 Like, like growing up over there and starting to do music at 15, 16 years old, and then picking up and making a name for myself and still being in the streets and being shot at 16 and seeing a lot of my homies pass away.

Speaker 9 Like Lil' Heard was just a kid with a dream. And you know what I'm saying? Fast forward, me being G.
Herbo, it's like I had to kind of like tap back into my old self and find that hunger for real.

Speaker 9 So that's why I really like, I'm on the a little hurd wave right now what's some of your fondest memories your childhood memories what's some of your fondest memories of you growing up on the east side of Chicago um

Speaker 9 going to play basketball at Eckersaw Park playing basketball at South Shore Park playing basketball at Woodhall Park where it's like I'm from

Speaker 9 I grew up all over the east side you know I'm saying like it's not a lot of people that could really say they had memories more so in other areas other than they blocked the little two-block radius they grew up on.

Speaker 9 That's all you could see outside. You couldn't see outside of anything other than that.
Yeah, no, for sure. But the east side is pretty big.

Speaker 9 And I got memories like all over because I got my aunts like lived in different parts of the neighborhood. I actually went to school in a neighborhood that wasn't where I lived at.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying? So it's like I had friends over there and I had friends in my neighborhood where I live. So my fondest memories are just being able to walk 12 blocks to go play basketball.

Speaker 9 You feel what I'm saying? Like I definitely look back and think and a lot of those people who I share those memories with, not here no more. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Outside of rap, did you dream of anything else other than rap? Or that was that, you know, my brother used to tell us, tell me all the time, he said, a dream is a gift that we give to ourselves.

Speaker 9 I never heard that.

Speaker 9 So outside of rap, you say, you know, you started 15, 16. Outside of when you were growing up, say you're 9, 10, 11, 12.
What did you hear about it? I wanted to play basketball. You wanted to who?

Speaker 9 Yeah. I wanted to go D1 and go to the League.
Everybody like.

Speaker 9 And I wasn't like, when I was young, I didn't really get good at basketball until I got like eighth grade, ninth grade. Okay.
Like, I just had a dream.

Speaker 9 I wanted to do it because it was the cool thing to do. Right.

Speaker 9 My big cousins and big brother and all them played basketball, and they was good, you know, and I just wanted to like follow after them for real. And I really, like,

Speaker 9 I used to like believe that I could do it for real. You know what I'm saying? So you could really hoop.
Yeah, I'm nice. I could hoop, for sure.
For sure, for sure.

Speaker 9 But my dreams just got cut short so early. Right.
15, 16, I was freshman, sophomore in high school. I got shot, got kicked off the team, stuff like that.
You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 So it's like, I just leaned towards rap, but I never wanted to be anything other than the basketball player and the rapper. Did you play any other sports? Did you try football? You try?

Speaker 9 I never tried football, man. I just like, I just fell in love with basketball and just only played basketball.
Like, I wasn't athletic at all. I'm not going to lie to you.

Speaker 9 So, who would you compare your basketball game to? You, you, LeBron, you, Steph Curry, you, KD, you Jordan? You gonna laugh at this for real, for real. You know who they used to compare me to? Who?

Speaker 9 Van Exel.

Speaker 9 Nick and Nax. Yeah.
Nick Law shot in real quick.

Speaker 9 I don't know about that. Nick the Quick.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 But he used to. My manager used to say

Speaker 9 I used to play like Van Excel because I could, like, I used to be able to just. You lefty? Yeah, I'm left-handed.
I used to get to whatever spot.

Speaker 9 So, because Nick the Quick, I was in Denver when he got there.

Speaker 9 He was nice with it.

Speaker 9 He could dance with it, Nice G.

Speaker 9 I was nice in my prime is primest with him.

Speaker 9 I was like,

Speaker 9 So obviously, if you're from Chicago, you know D. Rose.
Yeah, for sure. D.
Rose, people say, man, D. Rose is probably bigger in Chicago than Jordan.
I've said that before. You said that?

Speaker 9 Out of my own mouth, I said that. That was you.
I said that. Man, you need to get a board here.
I don't know. You must have been drinking.
Were you drinking when you said that?

Speaker 9 Let me give you my opinion on why I said that. Okay, give me your opinion.

Speaker 9 I'm not going to like, Jordan is the biggest of the biggest. I'm not going to say that, but it's like

Speaker 9 coming from Chicago, D. Rose homegrown, though he's homegrown.
It's like we seen it. Like, I used to watch him play when he went to Beasley.
I knew who Derek Rose was. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 From Beasley to Simeon.

Speaker 9 You feel me? Like,

Speaker 9 that's why I felt like it just made it like any kid from Chicago, they dreamed like you could do it. We really watched D.

Speaker 9 Rose do it and become one of the greatest point guards to ever play in the NBA. Youngest MVP.
That's the youngest MVP. He just gave us so much hope in Chicago.

Speaker 9 And then you got to think about it. I was born in 95, so I ain't really get to see Jordan play.
So highlights. I seen D.R.
Rose in real time. Yeah, you're right about that.
So that's what I meant by.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because people were like, but hold on, bro. How you going to say D.
Rose?

Speaker 9 But I get what you're saying because you talk about a guy from Chicago, poverty, born

Speaker 9 shit. Grew up poor, bro, and became one of the biggest to ever play the game.

Speaker 9 In my opinion,

Speaker 9 what is D. Rose's trajectory if he doesn't get hurt? If he doesn't hurt that knee, and we saw him become the youngest MVP in NBA history.
So his trajectory was like.

Speaker 9 Now,

Speaker 9 he's a phenomenal player, but I still think we were robbed of him at his absolute prime. Absolutely.
We definitely got robbed of Derrick Rose. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 It's like, that's why we're so passionate about it because we know what it would have been if he didn't hurt himself.

Speaker 9 You can't tell me that Derrick Rose wouldn't have left the NBA without no rings, you feel what I'm saying, before he hurt himself, you know, because he was just so good.

Speaker 9 They would have, especially what the NBA is now and what it was, what it was becoming.

Speaker 9 They would have built a team around him. He would have had a dynasty around him for real, for real.

Speaker 9 You can't tell nobody in Chicago that Derrick Rose is not top three-point guard ever. Right.
Still, you feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 And that's how I feel about him, for sure.

Speaker 9 What is it about hoopers and athletes wanting to be rappers, rappers wanting to be

Speaker 9 hoopers and football players?

Speaker 9 What is the combination? What is the common thread? What is the fabric that ties these together? I think it's just like the cool it factor. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like the lifestyle that rappers, that artists live is like, it's glamorized. It's looked upon as like fun.
And athletes really like their life is discipline, structure,

Speaker 9 gym, workouts.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 the athlete that goes to the club and party, like an artist, he gets criticized the most, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 But at the end of the day, I feel like they just want to have that kind of fun because they really got more money than us. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 They got more money than us, but we having more fun. Right.
So it's like, I feel like that's the whole like thing that tied to each other. And

Speaker 9 you got to think about like just the motivation and inspiration that we give them with our music and our art. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Them working out in the gym, listening to it, and get them in a mold. Like it's certain songs that you listen to.
Like, I'm going to go score 40 tonight. Right.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 I think that's really like the bridge in between it. And a lot of artists like myself, we had hoop dreams or football dreams before we did it.

Speaker 9 So it's like we look up to them too because they are what we wanted to be, but it ain't work out. You know what I'm saying? Like rap was our plan B.
You feel me? They plan A work.

Speaker 9 If I gave you a choice, say, you know what, you could have went to the NBA or you be the rapper. Would you trade your career, your rap career to be in the NBA? No.
No. Well, damn, what you mean?

Speaker 9 I wouldn't because I feel like early on I thought that's what I was like destined to do.

Speaker 9 But I really feel like I'm living in my purpose now like with all the people that I influence and what my music is it's not really just like rap for me like the greatest feeling that I get from this is when people tell me like you changed my life bro wow you got me through this situation like my brother passed my grandmother my dad passed and like if it wasn't for your music I don't even know what I would be or what I would be doing and

Speaker 9 don't get me wrong you could you could influence those kind of people through you know sports and stuff like that but I just feel like i was really meant to be who i am right now right all right

Speaker 9 hoop rappers you

Speaker 9 j cole savage drake yeah dave east breezy now it's reported that you beat drake and savage yeah yeah we did no you know drake times in a row hold on drake like i've seen be i haven't seen it with my own eyes but i watched him in the videos and drake got game drake to shoot the net off that motherfucker for sure and you beat you yeah you beat savage five on five yeah drake and savage was on the same team oh your team beat his team yeah we beat them for sure like four or five times damn yeah for sure and we'll do it again y'all had

Speaker 9 yeah yeah y'all have some money on the line we ain't even play for no money we was just playing for fun for the sport we was just ready to probably take it seriously drake career money on the wood yeah now we put that money on the wood for sure we could play for that money they got a lot of

Speaker 9 he tried to give it a poppy yeah we could play for sure but nah that's my dog man 21 that's my brother drake my home we was just at the career vibing and hooping. And shit.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we beat their ass like four or five times in a row.

Speaker 9 So whose idea was it to get on the car? Man, y'all, okay, y'all in there, y'all talking, y'all. You're doing y'all thing.
Y'all probably in the studio. Man, somebody started talking, man.

Speaker 9 Hey, probably, hey, you know how it be. Like, everybody got them dreams.
They get the woofing, like, all right, man. Come on, suit up.
Like, take us one of them.

Speaker 9 Suit up. Everybody, come on, suit up for sure.
Like, niggas bringing hoop shoes. Like, what size you wear? You wear a na.
All right, go get me. Bring me another na.

Speaker 9 Like, shit like that. For sure.
Now,

Speaker 9 I don't know about y'all, but really, but I've seen Chris Brown. Chris Brown can really, really.
He's nice. He's nice, too.
We played Chris Brown in the crew league. We lost, though.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah, I figured, I figured that. I was going to say that, but I figured it's not.
No, we lost the breezy team for sure. Every time we went to the crew league, we made it to the finals, though.

Speaker 9 We always made it to the championship.

Speaker 9 There's been a lot of talk. And I know you probably get an opportunity to see him at his prime.
I did. Michael Jackson.
A lot of people say Chris Brown is the greatest entertainer ever.

Speaker 9 That title has been bestowed to Michael for a very long time. Now, we know when it comes to album sales, record sales, nobody's going to be able to approach Mike.

Speaker 9 First of all, they don't sell vinyls. They don't sell records like that anymore.
So that's null and boy. But do you believe? that Chris Brown is the greatest entertainer.

Speaker 9 I feel like there's nobody closer to Michael Jackson than Chris Brown. Right.
Honestly, like for real, for real. And just seeing it with my own eyes, you know, and just seeing like

Speaker 9 who he is as a person and putting your whole everything into your craft. You know what I'm saying? Like he really like is mind-blowing seeing him on stage.
Like having all that energy. Yeah, man.

Speaker 9 His hits. Like being in shape where you could do 30 flips back to back.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, two hours, two and a half hours of that night to night.

Speaker 9 And that's insane for 50 nights in a row. And then you could go do it again.
You could go do it out the country and you could do it in the States. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, yeah, Breezy definitely, in my opinion, is the closest thing to Michael Jackson for sure. How was it working with Breezy? So what's he like in the studio? What's it like?

Speaker 9 You know, like you said,

Speaker 9 he's an phenomenal performer. He can sing, he can dance.
There's not a doubt I mean, I don't even know if he got bones in his body the way he can get his body to do all that stuff.

Speaker 9 Yeah, my knees hurting. I'm gonna have to get my knees replaced just watching them videos.
I don't got me up replaced. You know, like some people just like have that it factor.

Speaker 9 You feel I'm saying, like, some people is really like God really put their hands on you and just made you

Speaker 9 everything you do, you know what I'm saying, in that, in that field. Yeah, and that's the same thing with

Speaker 9 him in the studio, like the way he records. It's second nature.
When he in his compass zone, like he wants you to come pull up on him, come to the crib, come where I'm at, right? And just vibe. And

Speaker 9 it's going to

Speaker 9 have the same outcome every time. You feel what I'm saying? Like, he's not going to miss.
It's just what he do. You feel me?

Speaker 9 Like, and when I seen that, like, it's only certain people that I've ever seen in my life who I feel like are just

Speaker 9 amazing at making music. You feel what I'm saying? And that's that's Chris Brown, Juice World,

Speaker 9 Future, Meek Mill, and Thug. Those are the only people that I've really seen with my own ass.
Like, this shit really is second nature to them. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, and it inspired me to, like,

Speaker 9 get better. You asked that shit.
I got to dip my game up, baddest. It inspired me to, like, just, because I'm like a sponge, though.

Speaker 9 When I watch people do certain things, I pick up from, you know what I'm saying, the way they record and their patterns. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I'll give you an example.

Speaker 9 Like, Meek Mill, he

Speaker 9 freestyle a bunch bunch of different flows and like cadences until he just finds that one that he the most comfortable with and just go off of that. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 And Pluto do the same thing for real in his own way. It's like, he just keep on, like, he just at it.
He just spins shit. And it sounds like he mumbling at first.

Speaker 9 But then when you hear it and it all put together, that shit sounds like amazing. And I seen Juice World do the same thing with his music.
Like, Juice used to.

Speaker 9 I've never seen nobody do what Juice World do, though. Juice would rap a full song

Speaker 9 in one tape, like without punching in.

Speaker 9 Like he would rap a really a full song or hook two verses all in one take without stopping and stop and rap another song completely different on the same beat one take.

Speaker 9 He'll do it at least three, four times. Damn.
And just pick his favorite one.

Speaker 9 I've never seen nobody do that in my life. Ever.
So what look, I've had a lot of people on the show and it's like, you know, Hove, you play Hove a beat. Hove is in the back.
He's real quiet.

Speaker 9 He's just nodding his head.

Speaker 9 Then he go in, boom, do his thing. Face said, like, while he's listening to the beat, he's writing.

Speaker 9 Wayne don't write anything down. He just goes drive the track.
What's your style?

Speaker 9 I'm kind of like a mixture between like what Hove and what Wayne do. Like I'm quiet.
Like Southside,

Speaker 9 Southside, that's my brother, man. He's been producing me since I was 16 years old.
Like, I done heard him, like, you know how you be focused. I'm thinking in my head.
Like, that's how I do.

Speaker 9 I don't write. I haven't haven't wrote no song in probably four or five years.
Right. For real.

Speaker 9 So it's like, I just be in there vibing off the top of my head. I'm saying the lyrics in my head, though.
Like, I'm thinking of it at least the first four to eight bars.

Speaker 9 Then I go in and whatever I memorize, I say. And from there, I just pick on and punch in like, like how Wayne do.
But I'm talking about Southside. I heard him say, like.

Speaker 9 because they'll be in there making a beat and I'll just be like nodding and they'd be like yeah somebody asked like when he gonna go in there he like bro he rapping already in his head.

Speaker 9 Like, he already,

Speaker 9 like, he noticed that I did that before I even was noticing. Like, I just think of shit.
But he's like, you always do that. Like, I just be in there vibing in my head.

Speaker 9 And you would think I'm listening to the beat, but I'm actually rapping. Like, my first four to eight bars at least while I go in there.

Speaker 9 So you're not really paying attention to what the beat is doing. You're thinking about what you're going to say over that beat.
Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 9 Like, so as they making the beat and they producing, like, I'm just letting them do them because I know they're going to add more to it regardless.

Speaker 9 So it's like, once I hear a sound or a loop, I know if I want to rap on a beat the first four seconds of it. You feel what I'm saying? Like I know how I want to come into it.

Speaker 9 So it's like I'll be in my head just thinking of stuff, thinking the flows. And it don't take me long.
Maybe after like 15 minutes or something, I'm ready to go rap. Damn.

Speaker 9 So you don't get, you don't get distracted? Because if I'm like thinking about something, I'm, you know, man, be quiet. Come on, man.
Damn. No, hell no.

Speaker 9 You need that. Yeah, I do.
I love that type of energy.

Speaker 9 And I think I've grown into that artist where it's like sometimes I might, you know, want to be in the studio by myself, but majority of the time, nine times out of 10, I want at least 10, 15 people in the studio.

Speaker 9 That's what I was going to ask because some like, nope, bro, I want it quiet. Some guys, look, I want to fire up and

Speaker 9 I want chaos. I want people just running around doing whatever y'all do.
Hey, because that don't impact me. Let's get at it.
And it's inspired my music, though.

Speaker 9 So it's like a conversation that we might be having in this room. I might think of something and it inspired me to like put it on the song.

Speaker 9 So it's like, I actually like when it's a lot of people and people be loud and talking and laughing and shit. Don't bother me at all.
Can you turn your mind off?

Speaker 9 Because, you know, I've heard M says that, like, when he was in it, he's like, every time he was just thinking of something that rhymed, rhyme, hit, tick, blick, mick.

Speaker 9 Do you turn your mind off? Are you constantly trying to think of things that rhyme? Woo-hoo!

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Speaker 9 Um, no, I don't. And you know, I actually changed my whole style of like rap a few years ago because one of my closest friends, my best friend, WAP, he told me, like, bro,

Speaker 9 I've watched you rap from your very first times in the studio till now and i know like when you thinking too hard about stuff like i don't even think about metaphor stuff that rhyme i don't think about stories i need to tell he said just go in there and vibe to the beat bro that's when you make your hardest shit like okay he told me like every time you overthink and one time i did a song me and 21 savage was in the studio and this was like This was probably like four years ago.

Speaker 9 And he like, bro, you thought too hard about that verse. Like, you you could have went way crazy than that.
Damn. And I was in my head thinking, like, I didn't really like the verse for real.
Right.

Speaker 9 Okay, you was already there. I was already thinking, like, I didn't really like it.

Speaker 9 I felt like I was frustrated thinking about too much shit because at that moment, it's like 21 so big as an artist. I want to put my hardest shit on this.

Speaker 9 He's dropping to the studio to jump on it. So I'm thinking, like, I got to give him a fire ass verse.
And I shouldn't have been thinking like that.

Speaker 9 I should have just been like, I'm finna just do me, just go in there. And when he told me that, I never thought hard about my music again.
And I feel like I just got better and better. Is that common?

Speaker 9 Like, you on a beat, and you know that they got some other five, they got heat on that thing. So you're like, I ain't finna beat.
Because you know it's natural. They gonna compare.
Man,

Speaker 9 who had the hardest verse on that track? Absolutely, for sure. And you like, all I know, I might not be the hardest, but I damn sure ain't gonna say I'm the weakest.
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 Like, I go in with that mentality already. Like, all right, but I don't think about what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 9 Like, whatever's going on on the song, I might just listen to the vibe, the hook, or a little bit. Like, I barely listen to their verses.

Speaker 9 Once I listen to the hook and a little bit of the verse, I just go in there and just start rapping. And that shit come out.

Speaker 9 And you know what it is? I'm a real like critical thinker. I think a lot.
I can't really turn my mind off to stop thinking.

Speaker 9 So it's like when I get in my zone, I just like rap and say whatever come to me right at that moment. I'm like, what I mean by it.
So if I could like...

Speaker 9 make it make more sense for you is as an artist instead of thinking about the lines as they come soon as it gets your brain, you start rapping, you thinking about the end of the song.

Speaker 9 Like, I want to, like, you thinking about shit before it even come to you, like, what I'm going to say next. I don't do that no more.
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Speaker 9 And a lot of times I used to think about, like, damn, should I say this? Should I not say this? Right. How this is going to, like, get, how is this going to

Speaker 9 like reflect on the world or certain things I say? Like, damn, how is this going to affect this person? I might be talking about something to somebody. Like, damn, is this going to offend people?

Speaker 9 Like, I used to think like that all the time.

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Speaker 29 It's good to be right.

Speaker 9 If you on a track, do you want to hear other people's verse on that track? Or do you just like, hey, give me, let me come in when I come in? And then whatever happens, happens.

Speaker 9 Because, you know, sometimes they might play somebody that's on the track. They might play that verse.
Then you hear it. And then, what have you ever recorded?

Speaker 9 And then you heard somebody that's like, nah, I got to do mine over. Hell nah.

Speaker 9 I've done that before for sure. So I like, that's why I like to hear they shit first.
Okay.

Speaker 9 I'm not going to lie. I definitely like to hear.
Don't send me no blank song.

Speaker 9 I'm going to get offended a little bit. Like, I'm going to get mad because I don't do that.

Speaker 9 Like, I feel like I got to at least hear your verse to give me some type of direction. You know what I mean? Because I could be all over the place and you on one subject of the song.

Speaker 9 You feel what I'm saying? I feel like people do that intentionally because they want to burn you.

Speaker 9 They want to have the hardest shit. You feel what I'm saying? They do.
They do. When they do that, I'll be like, no, hell no.
Send me your verse. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Or I take long with the verse on purpose. You feel what I'm saying? Then they'll go ahead and see you.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I take long with the verse on purpose. And then it's like, now I'm taking my time with it.
Because sometimes I will go in the studio and like lay four bars.

Speaker 9 Be like, all right, but I'm going to do another song. And then come back to that song and lay another four bars and lay eight bars or whatever until I finish the whole verse.

Speaker 9 Like, I've done that multiple times. He said, I want to hear what they're saying.
You ain't finna burn me. Yeah, hell no, no, hell no.
You got to send the whole verse.

Speaker 9 Especially if I know that the song is done already. Like, hell no.
And I want you to send me everybody on it. Artists do that too, though.
So, do they? Yeah, so say, for instance,

Speaker 9 if I'm about to do a song with Meek Mill, he'll send me his verse, but Jadakiss would be on the song already, too. So, he wouldn't send me the

Speaker 9 YouTube. So, not saying him personally, but artists right now.

Speaker 9 It'll be other people on the song, but they're not sending their verses. Like, no, I need to hear everybody that's on this cookie song right now before I lay my shit.

Speaker 9 But, so let's just say for the sake of argument, you got four guys on a song.

Speaker 9 Do you matter? Does it matter to you which sequence you go? Are you first, you second, you third, you finish up? How does that who determines the order, the sequence in which?

Speaker 9 Um, I feel like whoever song it is, and and just like rapper etiquette, whoever got the hardest verse have to go last, right? First or last, you can't really go in the middle, right?

Speaker 9 I'm saying, so I don't really mind, though, I don't be caring because I be feeling like I'm gonna have to

Speaker 9 fight anyway, so it don't matter. And a lot of times they put me last on the verse for sure.
I'm usually always last. I'm either first or last, right? For sure.
Okay. Let's go back to the beginning.

Speaker 9 You said you're born in Chicago, east side of Chicago. Obviously, you talked about having homies and people that you knew and you grew up with, not make it as far as you did.

Speaker 9 What was that culture like, the gang culture? When did you realize that you, man,

Speaker 9 my life different? Yeah. Than a lot of people that's my age that look like me, they don't have to experience what I'm experiencing.

Speaker 9 When did you realize that where you were definitely was going to impact what you became?

Speaker 9 When I started traveling, like when I started to actually see other places and go to other cities, I started traveling doing shows when I was like 17 years old.

Speaker 9 Like going to Rhode Island, going to like Boston and seeing like, damn, this shit totally different. It's hoods everywhere, don't get me wrong.
Correct.

Speaker 9 Even like other cities in the Midwest, like you feel what I'm saying, Minnesota and shit, like everybody got their hoods. It's all like trenched out dangerous.
But Chicago is just totally different.

Speaker 9 And the stuff that I grew up seeing, I thought it was normal because everybody was doing that. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, you going to school.
Like, I seen my first guns and shit at school.

Speaker 9 Like,

Speaker 9 people going to school and having guns on them. And I'm in fifth grade, sixth grade.
You know what I'm saying? They haven't a dipping business off.

Speaker 9 And then you look up at the time you were in eighth grade. We got metal detectors.
Because niggas know that, you know what I'm saying? People that brought guns to school and shit. And like

Speaker 9 my first home like I it it was like

Speaker 9 it didn't dawn on me that my life was so different and so chaotic until I started to see people from other places and

Speaker 9 like having conversations with people that was older than me that didn't really like that grew up in Chicago, but didn't grow up how we grew up, that wasn't in the streets. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, I lost some of my first friends when I was in like sixth grade. Like, that's when I started seeing people get killed and murdered and shit.
Like, all right, but I f ⁇ ed with bro.

Speaker 9 He went to my school. We used to chop it up.
And we'd come back to school the next day, like, yeah, so-and-so got killed. You feel me?

Speaker 9 Like, was that your first experience with death when you're in the sixth grade? With death, with people getting killed. Yeah.
Like, murders. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 Like, sixth grade, fifth grade, shit like that. Where it's like somebody who, you know, because I had older cousins and brothers and shit that went to my school.

Speaker 9 I got an older brother and I got older cousins. And it was like,

Speaker 9 we was deep. It was probably like nine of us that went to that school.
So, like, their friends and they grade, you seeing people they hang out with like damn He just got killed.

Speaker 9 You feel I'm saying and they come back to school people sad some other shit and it's like it was so normal like people just went on with their day and then maybe a few months later this person got killed, you know, and it's like

Speaker 9 I didn't really like it didn't hit home for me until I got in like seventh and eighth grade when I started to like people who I knew and looked up to started to get killed. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 And it was all like behind like street shit, gang you feel what i'm saying it wasn't no accidental it's like damn you were able it wasn't no car wreck it wasn't yeah yeah

Speaker 9 somebody into somebody had an illness leukemia cancer something like that no hell no like somebody intentionally killed you so it's like it get to a point where

Speaker 9 you like damn i don't i can't become a victim of this you feel what i'm saying so that's what i wanted to ask you yeah you said east side is is it's big

Speaker 9 but

Speaker 9 you didn't see anybody it's really small it's really small sometimes but let me ask you this Did you know anybody from the east side that had made it out and became successful doing something?

Speaker 9 Because it's hard. Being from rural South Georgia, we didn't see anybody.

Speaker 9 We didn't know anybody that had made it to the NFL or we didn't have anybody come back and talk to us and give us pep talks and say, you could become this. You know, all we saw was advertising.

Speaker 9 Military looking for a few good men. Ain't it.
You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 9 I'm trying to get up out of there, but that's not the route I'm trying to go. So when did you make it up in your mind and say, you know what?

Speaker 9 I see see all this death happening around me.

Speaker 9 I ain't going that route.

Speaker 9 Probably when I dropped out of school. Like, I was still rapping and going to school, and I had like a little hood fame and notoriety.

Speaker 9 So, it's like by the time I was 16 years old, people actually really know my name. Okay.
But at the same time, I was in the streets. So, that was bad as well.

Speaker 9 It's like now it's to a point where I'm rapping. I got videos on YouTube that got 20,000, 30,000 views, views, 40,000, 100,000 views is picking up, like for real, like really picking up.

Speaker 9 And those 100,000 coming from other cities and stuff like that too. But the majority of it is coming from Chicago.
So it's like, I'm becoming a household name in Chicago. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 But I'm still going to school. So it's like, oh, yeah.
He go to that school. We about to come up to that school and get this.

Speaker 9 Like, yeah, niggas who's coming up to my school, like looking for me and shit. And I was like, I was always like smart.
I was steps ahead of everybody. Like, I never really rode the bus for real.

Speaker 9 Like, after when I got popping, like my freshman year, yeah, I could get on the bus. But by the time I was at Southamo, I dropped out my South Moore.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 9 By the time I was at Southamo, it's like I had to get dropped off from school by my homies. I had to get picked up.
from school by my homies.

Speaker 9 Like my mama couldn't drop me off or pick me up at school because I didn't want to put my mama in harm's way. You feel me? Like I never used to drop my sister off when I had a car.

Speaker 9 I never took her to school. I never put her on the car with me because I knew the reality of my life.
Like my car really could get shot up for real.

Speaker 9 And I didn't want to to have my mama or my sister in the car so it's like when i dropped out of school i'm like bro i gotta really do this shit for real like i really like i made a promise to my mom and dad you know

Speaker 9 um

Speaker 9 my little brother lil' gray who passed away his his babe mama told me a conversation that i had with my dad i didn't remember and like he was arguing me yelling at me like man you dropping out of school like what you gonna be a flunky like one of these niggas i'm like no I'm about to rap.

Speaker 9 This shit about to work. He like, what's your plan B? I'm like, ain't no plan B.
This shit. I got planned.

Speaker 9 It's going to to work. I'm telling you, like, I'm about to really do it.
So at that age, I'm 16, 17 years old.

Speaker 9 I really like have a lot of responsibility on me because, like, all right, you're not going to school.

Speaker 9 You're not going to sit around this house either and just be around this bitch getting high, eating up all the food. You got to go do something and go get some money.

Speaker 9 That's the type of time, like, you know, my mom and everybody was on. Like, all right, so what you gonna do? And man, thank God that it actually started to pick up fast.
You feel me?

Speaker 9 Like, I dropped out of school maybe

Speaker 9 six months later or eight months later when I was going into my junior year, Nicki Minaj called my phone for a feature. You feel me?

Speaker 9 So it's like it started to pick up early on, you know, and in the midst of all of that,

Speaker 9 people was dying around me. A lot of my closest friends.
So it's like I had to still maneuver through that because I was still living in Chicago. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 It's like, and we were young, you know, my brain wasn't even fully developed yet for real. So I'm still thinking I could go.

Speaker 9 You've been young, you're invincible. Yeah, I thought I was invincible for real.
Like, I ain't gonna lie. And

Speaker 9 at the same time,

Speaker 9 let me rephrase it. Like, I knew I wasn't, but I didn't care.
I was willing to, like, put my life on the line and do certain shit where it's like, I go to this store, I go to the gas station.

Speaker 9 I'm willing to really, like.

Speaker 9 Pull my gun out and protect myself. Right.
I'm saying at any given moment. And that's really like, that's crash out shit.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 Because, man, first of all, if you got to go somewhere, you got got to carry a gun, you already know. Yeah.
You already know it's still what I'm saying. You a real OG.

Speaker 9 Because, like, my uncles used to say that, like, bro, if I got to carry a gun, I don't even want to go there. No, because you already looking for something to pop up.
It was the complete opposite.

Speaker 9 Like, I'm carrying it everywhere. Like, every single way I go.
We used the complete opposite of that. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I don't want to go nowhere.
I can't carry a gun. Oh,

Speaker 9 that's how I used to think for real. You go, you, hey, you hoping something jump off.
Yeah, nah, I used to think like that for real, man. It's like, but it was only because you got to think about it.

Speaker 9 Like, death was at an all-time high where i'm from like so many of my friends by the time i was like when i met my my first manager uh mickey who's still my manager to this day um when i met him

Speaker 9 he made me like he just always thought outside the box he like man i'm about to paint this picture like

Speaker 9 you know y'all story you being from the hood and

Speaker 9 excuse me um

Speaker 9 Being in the streets and losing homies at 14, 15, 16. He like, man, I want to do a mural.
Like, write your homies down, your closest homies that passed away. You feel me?

Speaker 9 And, like, he thought it was probably going to be three, four. Like, it was like 20 people on the wall.
Like, 17 people or some shit like that on the wall that we spray painted.

Speaker 9 We down that lost room and it blew his mind. He like, God damn, like, you really know them many people dead? I'm like, yeah, hell yeah.
Like, and that's all in a matter of

Speaker 9 four years. Three or four years.

Speaker 9 Yeah, shit like that. Do you remember how old you were when you got your first gun?

Speaker 9 I like 14, 14, 15. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember. I put it myself.
I mean, normally, you know, people try to get like PlayStation or Xboxes or stuff like that.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 you getting that too. And you didn't think it is like...
You thought it was, was it cool to you, or do you feel like, man, this is a necessary part of the house? I don't know. I needed it.

Speaker 9 Like, for real. Like, leaving out of the house, going to certain places, you got to think.
Like I said,

Speaker 9 he said big, but it's small.

Speaker 9 I live right here. My auntie lived eight blocks this way.
My best friend lived five, six blocks this way. It's like, when I ain't have no transportation, I gotta walk to the house or catch the bus.

Speaker 9 You never know who you're gonna see. So you got that thing on you? Hell yeah.

Speaker 9 I bought my first gun at like 14. So what happened? What happened to, no, we grew up, we grew up 40 things.
We grew up fighting too. But then it was over with that.

Speaker 9 But then nobody liked taking no ass. And nobody wanted to get their ass moved.
So,

Speaker 9 especially now, because it's on the internet. Yeah.
And if forever.

Speaker 9 So you take an L, and I know I got to go get, I got to go get, get like get back That's another thing like I'm not even being funny I ain't joking like me and all my homies like knew how to fight.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we really used to whoop niggas ass for it.

Speaker 9 So it's like they used to get mad and they started shooting at us for real for real to be honest like we like every all my homies know how to fight right my big brother he know how to fight good as you feel I'm saying my big cousins know how to fight good as and I was the youngest they used to beat me up like all the time so it's like I grew up fighting my whole life and then you gotta think I'm light-skinned niggas used to pick yeah yeah yeah you gotta get it

Speaker 9 Niggas used to call me play with me. Yeah, call me soft pretty boy.
My name Herbert used to call me Hershey. Ah, man, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 9 Now you can do light-skinned add your name Herbert. Oh, yeah, you gotta double-check.
You have to fight a lot, though. Like, all the time.

Speaker 9 So it's like, I grew up knowing how to fight, but it got to a point where it's like, ain't nobody finna just let you just beat them up. You feel me? But they don't want to do something to you.

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah. It got to a point with me where it's like, I don't even got enough love for you to be fighting you because I know if I whoop, you're going to try to shoot me anyway.

Speaker 9 I might as well just skip to the get-down. We might might as well just know what we're going to do

Speaker 9 you're like hey in the beginning the end you ain't got no middle part i feel like that was that was just what was going on man i ain't gonna lie to you

Speaker 9 but you make a dis then you got shot yeah at 16.

Speaker 9 walk us through that day wake up like hey man sun's out with i mean

Speaker 9 because sometimes people get like man i just i mean i've had things happen to me

Speaker 9 a good day up until that part it was a good ass day I ain't going to lie. Like,

Speaker 9 I was fresh as a brand new outfit.

Speaker 9 I had on like True of Legend, Louis Belt, Leader's hoodie, Leader's hat, wheat Tamilins.

Speaker 9 You know what's so crazy? I'm going to tell you a funny story, too.

Speaker 9 So I had

Speaker 9 a photo shoot with,

Speaker 9 I think it was Elevator Magazine at the time. And I was shooting like content for my first mixtape, Walking the Fazoland.
So I was downtown feeling good,

Speaker 9 nice fit on. You feel me? me, like dressed up, smoking, just chilling.
Like I had a great day, great photo shoot. So it's like, I'm like, it was in the middle of the summer too.
Damn.

Speaker 9 It was hot outside. You feel me? I'm done with the shoot probably about six o'clock.
I'm like, oh, y'all know for sure the block bussing right now. It's too many people out there.
It's hot.

Speaker 9 I know it is.

Speaker 9 So,

Speaker 9 but fast forward that day, I'm going to tell you, like, the Timblers I had on, I couldn't, I didn't have no time to go to,

Speaker 9 it's a store called DTLI, like right by my grandma's house. I didn't have time to go there and go get me no Timblins.
So my little brother had a fresh pair of TMs in the crib.

Speaker 9 I'm like, man, let me get these TMs, bro.

Speaker 9 He hell no, man. You go get your.

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Speaker 9 Oh, Tim's like, I'm not getting it to you. Oh, man, bro.
I'm finna give you $150 for the shoes right now. That's what Tim is like $100.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I'm about to give you $150 for the shoes, bro. Just let me get them.
He's still, no, no, hell no.

Speaker 9 I'm finna put my TMs on. So I wound up like kind of like strong arming him out of them and still getting the money.
Like, bro, give me these damn shoes. Right.
I get shot in the shoes.

Speaker 9 I got shot in the foot. He was like, once he was crying, right? His baby mama told me, like,

Speaker 9 yeah, Herb got shot.

Speaker 9 I'm going to still tell you the story, like, how it happened, but I'm just saying this part. He's like, yeah, Herb got shot on the phone crying and shit.

Speaker 9 So he wound up finding out he was good, like, that I was good. He didn't know at first, you feel me? So I'm on Twitter, like, I was famous a little bit when I got shot.

Speaker 9 So they on Twitter talking about the shit. When he found out I was good and I got shot in the foot, this fuck nigga was only mad about his shoes.

Speaker 9 He got a hold of his TM.

Speaker 9 He only mad about the shoes now. After I paid him for him and everything, he man, nigga, you didn't got shot in my TMs.

Speaker 9 Shit, like that. Like, that's not like ain't shit.

Speaker 9 You're saying Redmond, they're my TMs. I paid you for it.
Yeah, like, come on, bro, for real. But matter of fact, you know what it was?

Speaker 9 I was on, he was so on some petty shit, he wasn't even gonna buy no, I think I let him finesse me.

Speaker 9 I gave him the money and still told him, like, bro, I'm gonna get your TMs back. Like, you can have, I'll wear him to the shoot, and I'm gonna get your shoes back.
So that's why he was mad.

Speaker 9 Like, nigga, you was supposed to get my shit back, and I got shot in it.

Speaker 9 But anyway, so look out it was a hot like i said a hot summer day i go outside of my block and we out there deep like deep deep probably like

Speaker 9 50 60 of us you know what i'm saying and my hood was like packed so it's like we'll be posted up on one block probably 20 30 people girls then we on the whole next block 20 30 people girls like and just rotating walking back and forth from stores it was one of them type of vibes and we just out there chilling with a bunch of girls and shit

Speaker 9 and you know it's so crazy like two of my homies here walked up on the corner and told me like hey i just seen some niggas riding with hoodies on and shit like you feel i'm saying they finna come right through here you feel me like he gave us a warning and everything and told me like move around standing right here one of my homies who passed away long live my homie cap man marva car

Speaker 9 he got he got like two girls right there i think he talking to and i was talking to one of the girls at the time and another girl that was right there was one of my home one of the guys who wore me my homie it was his baby mama at the time so when he like man move around from right here like he telling us move around you feel I'm saying and they finna go on the next block and just like secure the area because they on point right but my homie on some cocky shit like man them niggas like let them come you feel I'm saying and in the back of my mind I knew they weren't lying I'm like no them niggas finna come right here so I told the girls like y'all move around just go to the corner type shit

Speaker 9 and they moved around but we never moved though we never like well damn you gave them the hands up and you didn't heed your own warning yeah i ain't i just we just stayed right there like

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 you know it's so crazy like when it happened we always before it happened i mean we always like on this one block and the police pulled up right there and did some shit like

Speaker 9 everybody looked like they didn't even hop out of friskers they was like everybody lift y'all shirt up and just like to make sure we had no guns on type shit lift our shirt up and i went around the block and lo and behold as soon as i get to the corner, after I told the girls to move around, nigga just pulled up shooting.

Speaker 9 And I got hit. And like, me and like eight other of my homies, like nine of us got hit.
That shit was on a newspaper article. Like, damn.
Yeah, some crazy shit for sure.

Speaker 9 Yeah, like nine of us got shot.

Speaker 9 Then you wish you'd had that thing on you, wouldn't you? Nah, I ain't gonna lie. Of course, for sure.
But I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna keep it a buck with you for real, for real.

Speaker 9 When that shit happened, when the police pulled right there, I threw my gun like on the, like, like in the in the field, under somewhere. I hit it only 35 seconds before it happened.

Speaker 9 Like, you feel me? Y'all saw him coming, so you got them. You saw the police coming.
Yeah, you got rid of them. Yeah, and then they walked up like on some lift y'all shirt up.

Speaker 9 But to be honest, though, I feel like it was like some shit where like a might have called the police, like, oh, yeah, they right there standing with guns so we could get dispersed or whatever and then come around and do what they did type shit.

Speaker 9 You feel what I'm saying? Like, I feel like it was a situation like that. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Was that the moment that you realized, you know what?

Speaker 9 I'm going to have have to get it. I'm gonna have to get it so I can't.

Speaker 9 I'm somebody now. Because like you said, your music has started to take off.

Speaker 9 You're not the same.

Speaker 9 I'm gonna be completely honest with you, man. Hell no.
I was right.

Speaker 9 You were looking for some issues. I was right back out there, man.
I got shot. I probably went out there the next day or the day after that with a boot on my leg, just outside standing.

Speaker 9 Looking for hoping they come back, ain't it?

Speaker 9 Nah, not even that. It was just like not caring.
Like, really just not caring if they come back for real. You know what I'm saying? Like, because we, I mean, it's not like we was oblivious to it.

Speaker 9 Like, we knew possibly, like, yeah, nigga, come back through this bitch shooting. It's a war zone.
It's hot. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Come through this bitch shooting at any day, but I wasn't worried about it. I wasn't scared.
You feel what I'm saying? Like, and

Speaker 9 like I said,

Speaker 9 right before I got shot, I did have a gun on me. I threw it.
You feel what I'm saying? When the police came.

Speaker 9 So it's like, even when I was back out there the next day, I was back out there with a boot. Can't run, but got guns on me still.

Speaker 9 But ain't nobody lose their life doing that. No, not that day.

Speaker 9 nope no they just got people just got healed yeah nobody lost their life for sure but uh nine of us like got shot that day for sure that shit made the news and everything like damn how many was in the car four five what the in the car that came they rolled through yeah yeah they came but they came spreading they get that many boys came hot

Speaker 9 the boys came hot damn man i just

Speaker 9 You told a story like, you know what, you're like, you realize that, you know what, I'm not the same guy anymore. And me not being the same guy anymore, I can't put people that I love in harm's way.

Speaker 9 Mom, you ain't driving me to school no more. Little sis, you're not, I'm not dropping you off to school.
The homies that this is what we, this is who we are, right? We good with it.

Speaker 9 Whatever happened to us, I can live with that. But if something were to happen to my mom or sister, I'm really gonna go crazy.
Some stuff's gonna really,

Speaker 9 it's never gonna end. Yeah, because if you get my mom or my sister, it's never gonna end.
So, I'm not even, I don't got nothing to live for at that point for sure.

Speaker 9 So, it's like, yeah, I understood that early. Like, I never put my mom in the car.
My aunties, my grandmother, nobody ever got in the car with me. And I never got in the car with them.

Speaker 9 Like, I would rather just wait all day until somebody picked me up before I desperately tell my mama to drop me off somewhere. You feel me?

Speaker 9 And I done did that many, many a times, you know. And

Speaker 9 the first thing I did when I got some real money, the very first thing I did was bought my mama a house far, far, far away. Right.

Speaker 9 Super far. Like, I moved my mama like 40 minutes away from the hood, you know, and nobody never knew where she lived.

Speaker 9 Only probably three of my closest friends ever been to my mama's house still to this day. You feel me? So I always been one of the kind of people just like, you know, protect family.

Speaker 9 My dad taught me that. Like I come from a two-parent household.
So my pops always told me like protect your family no matter what you got going on. You feel me? And my parents always like.

Speaker 9 Trusted me enough to just make good decisions. Like although I was in the streets and I had like shit going on, they trusted me to never bring it back to my house.
You feel I'm saying?

Speaker 9 And like, I took that real serious.

Speaker 9 You mentioned that you were in the street, you come from a two-parent household. Your dad, your mom ever say, son, son, you don't have to do that.
Um, I think I was just too far gone.

Speaker 9 You weren't trying to hear that. I was still, I was too far gone.
Like, I'm not gonna lie, and I always been like real strong-headed.

Speaker 9 Like, and my dad, he knows me, like, me and him, the same sign, and everything. So, it's like once I was already in it, all they could really do is tell me, just be smart.

Speaker 9 Like, it was, I was too, too late.

Speaker 9 you went to high school with king von yeah yeah yeah vaughn probably was in a

Speaker 9 one or two his ass ain't come back

Speaker 9 yeah for sure yeah i definitely went to high school with von though well so what so what so what was it so i mean obviously you say you went to school not not as not very long but when you what was your what was your thoughts when you first met him

Speaker 9 i actually

Speaker 9 I had already known like who Vaughn was before school because we got like mutual friends. Right.

Speaker 9 My homie, like I said, one of my best friends, Wap, he from the projects that got knocked down. And a lot of those people from like Von Hood, like Oblock, and shit like that, they from those projects.

Speaker 9 Okay. So like they had already known each other.
And we done been around each other many a time. So it's like, I already f with Vaughn and knew him like, and knew like what he was about.

Speaker 9 Like, bro, it was the real deal, for real. Oh, he's on that type of time for real? No, for sure.
So, like. Is that true? That'd be, hey, they said, I mean, I'll be reading.

Speaker 9 I don't know if it's true or not, but they'll be hearing. They like, man, if you wouldn't do it, volunteer, F it.
I'll go do it myself.

Speaker 9 I mean, yeah, it was a lot of people like that in Chicago, though. For real? Hell yeah, it was a lot of people.
But you got to think about it.

Speaker 9 When you own that type of time, you can't really, like, and this is something that's really true. I feel like if you second-guessing yourself, and you can pull me up some more, too.

Speaker 9 If you second-guessing yourself and you don't want to do it, just don't do it. You shouldn't do it.
You know what I'm saying? Like, and I believe in that.

Speaker 9 Like, I wouldn't want to have nobody around me for real that I got to question a second guess because that could cost you a life. For sure.
For real, for real.

Speaker 9 Like, somebody will choke up and freeze and

Speaker 9 cost you a life. Yeah.
So it's like, yeah, for sure. If you wasn't on that type of time, he didn't even want to hang with you.

Speaker 9 I wouldn't want to hang with you either because it's like, you really don't want to do this. Go find you something else to do.

Speaker 9 This ain't for you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 9 I'm like, that was probably the first day of school when I seen Vaughn in there. He walked up to my homie, like, hey, boy, it's going down in this.
Like, you feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, he already wants us. Like, boy, y'all be on point here damn yeah

Speaker 9 for sure

Speaker 9 how difficult was it for you to watch him get murdered on video that shit broke my heart for sure like

Speaker 9 i don't like

Speaker 9 i don't really be

Speaker 9 like

Speaker 9 emotional for real. Like, I'm so numb to death.
I'm not a stranger to it because I've been experiencing it my whole life. But like when he, when he died and seeing that shit, like,

Speaker 9 that shit really, like, you know, I'm emotional right now thinking about it. Like, did you hear about it and then watch the video, or did you see the video first? Because, did you get?

Speaker 9 I had, no, I had heard about it already. I heard about it the night it happened.
Okay. I'm saying because we got so many mutual friends that shit got right to me.
You feel me?

Speaker 9 Like, as soon as it happened, I knew probably like an hour later. You feel me? Right.
And then I seen the video.

Speaker 9 And yeah, that shit definitely made me emotional for sure. Like, just seeing it.
And

Speaker 9 no matter, like,

Speaker 9 and I don't want people to take what I'm saying and misconfuse it. Like, where we come from, sometimes you just, you, well, not sometimes, a lot of times, you got to adapt to your environment.

Speaker 9 Like, no matter what you might think somebody did or up shit a nigga might did, like, we really be having good hearts at the end of the day. Like, I don't care what Von did in the streets.

Speaker 9 That was a good nigga, like a real nigga. You feel what I'm saying? And it's like,

Speaker 9 don't get me wrong, I believe in like

Speaker 9 universal law. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, have it played out, it played out.
okay? You feel me? You live by the gun, you die by the gun. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, a real, a real that comes from the streets, understand that. Understand that.
Understand that 100%.

Speaker 9 But just seeing it, and like, you know what I'm saying? Just seeing, like, damn, like, that shit, I feel like that wasn't his story. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 I feel like it just, he had so much more life, so much more shit to do. Like, you feel me? Like, I took Vaughn on his first tour, like, as a, as a main artist.

Speaker 9 Like, he, he performed, then I performed. You feel me? So it's like, I always fuck with bro.
I always believed in him. You You feel me? And like when that shit happened, it just like threw me out.

Speaker 9 It just, it just made me feel like, damn, bro, you can't take this shit for granted. Like this shit.

Speaker 9 Help me understand.

Speaker 9 Bro,

Speaker 9 your whole life, you thinking, and I'm sure he thought the very same thing.

Speaker 9 I want to get out of this environment. He's out.
He's a big rapper.

Speaker 9 Why go back? Why do that? Why continue to do that? I feel like, I'm not even going to feel like, like, this is the truth. It's just like when that shit in you, it's in you.

Speaker 9 Like, that shit just is easy for you. Like, you gotta really, you gotta work harder on not doing something to somebody than

Speaker 9 anything else. You feel what I'm saying? So, it's like, I think you feel like when you know what you're capable of, you feel like somebody playing with you, you would just do something.

Speaker 9 Like, it would just make you how you let them play with you. You're not even supposed to be in that environment.
Guess what? Yeah.

Speaker 9 I make four or five million dollars a year.

Speaker 9 Aren't you going to surround yourself?

Speaker 9 Because you don't need to be in that environment anymore because those that those guys are no longer on your level now you hang around with people that's on your level you hang with me you hang with future you hang with bug you hang with those type of people bro i ain't on this no more it's like you gotta it take a little minute to adjust though it's not like a snap of a finger okay von wasn't he wasn't a millionaire for years right i'm saying like he still was trying you still trying to stack coming out the streets you know what i'm saying like he getting his money he doing what he doing but it take you a long time to really process that.

Speaker 9 This is my life, right? You feel what I'm saying? So, it's like naturally, he's really still a street nigga, so he's gonna react like how a street react. You feel me?

Speaker 9 Like, it took me years and years to just be like, ain't worth it. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I'm about to give you a scenario.
I was just in

Speaker 9 North Carolina, rally some dumb ass shit. Some niggas walked up on me and like tried me in the mall, like, said some shit to me, like, yeah,

Speaker 9 I'm not even gonna like say the artist or whatever. He walked up to me talking about another artist, like, yeah,

Speaker 9 we got this chain. Tell him buy back.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, what the f ⁇ you mean? I don't care about that shit. I'm like, what the f ⁇ you telling me for? That's exactly what I said to him.
He like, yeah.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying, like, if he want to get it, tell him, get up with us. I said, bro, I'm sure they know how to find y'all and get that shit back if they want to.

Speaker 9 And I'm walking off and he said some shit like, yeah, because. Nigga, we was just

Speaker 9 telling you, like, bro, you a little too aggressive. Like, we'll take your shit.
I ain't had no jury on or nothing. I just looked back and walked off.
Like, it's, that's one of the things.

Speaker 9 But you, but you, like, that's one of the hardest things to do, to walk away, for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I had to grow into that person.

Speaker 9 Like, I know for a fact, I got 10 shopping bags in my hand. Like, I'll drop these shopping bags and we'll just tear this whole fucking mall up.
Like, for real, for real.

Speaker 9 I really would do that with y'all.

Speaker 9 Two of y'all, and it's two of me and my homie. You feel what I'm saying? And I had to tell him, like, come on, we gone, bro.
Like, it ain't really worth it. I'm not finna.

Speaker 9 I don't have no point to prove for real. Like, you got to really get me out of my element or put your hands on me or cause some physical harm.

Speaker 9 And I know that y'all really not on that type of time because I just turned my back on y'all and walked on. And you walked on.
So if y'all really wanted to do something, y'all hit off.

Speaker 9 If y'all really want to do something, y'all wouldn't even do no talking. Y'all walked up.
Exactly. But it's like when I turned around, I never looked back.

Speaker 9 Literally, I never looked back to see if they follow me or nothing. I really made them part of my whole back.
And it's like, that shit is that's growth. Like, I never was that person.

Speaker 9 Like, because you never give up your six.

Speaker 9 i was never that person for real like i'm not finna turn around on y'all i'm not finna just walk off after you just said you would take my shit i would have been like take what what you talking about what you want to do in here right now like i would have kept not cared about my clothes that i just bought none of this you feel what i'm saying like i had to grow into that person it took years to do that you feel what i'm saying i'm saying all that to say von hadn't became that person yet to just like let go like sweep it under the rug like he couldn't let that yeah like whatever whatever was on his mind was on his mind where he he just felt like, all right, but I'm finna just go do what I got to do.

Speaker 9 Knowing that if you live like that,

Speaker 9 you got to always,

Speaker 9 always

Speaker 9 have both eyes. Not one eye, both eyes.
Three eyes. Are you surprised that

Speaker 9 they were able to get the drop on him like they did?

Speaker 9 No, I'm not, because that's just how shit happened. You feel what I'm saying? It happened like that in the blink of the eye.
Like super quick. I done seen that happen a hundred times, not just to him.

Speaker 9 You feel me? Damn.

Speaker 9 So, no, I wasn't surprised at all. I was

Speaker 9 just really just heartbroken by it, for real. Because, like,

Speaker 9 once shit happened, it's nothing you could do, regardless of however your homies react or whatever. What's done is done.
To him, is already. Yeah, ain't no coming back from him.
Exactly.

Speaker 9 So, it's like,

Speaker 9 when you understand that, like, I done seen it so many times. So, it's like, I know.

Speaker 9 And this is just my mentality, though, to be honest. Like,

Speaker 9 I always feel like something is going to happen to me anyway. When I walk out the house, I'm already in fear.
Man, don't department that why you don't, I don't put it, I'm not putting it in the air.

Speaker 9 Like, I don't feel like somebody's gonna do something to me, but I just know the possibilities, like, it can happen. So, that's what keeps me on my square.

Speaker 9 Like, I'm not gonna get into a fist fight at a club, I'm not gonna get into a fist fight at the mall.

Speaker 9 I'm not gonna, because I gotta get home to my kids, so it's like I'm already gonna go to the highest.

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Speaker 9 Like, that's what I mean by, like, I'm already feeling like something is going to happen to me. I'm afraid.
That's what I'm saying. Like, it's okay to be afraid.

Speaker 9 I think being scary is going to to get you home every time. You feel what I'm saying? Like, I don't care about that.
Like, I'll tell nigga lady, I'm scared because I'm going to react like I'm scared.

Speaker 9 You feel what I'm saying? Do you feel even though you've been you like, bro, I done moved away from that. That ain't that ain't even my, that ain't not it's in me.

Speaker 9 I just want you to know it's in me.

Speaker 9 But I don't want him to come out. I ain't even on that type of time no more.

Speaker 9 I don't want to at all, but you got to. And this is the real up part about it, though, for real.
Like,

Speaker 9 um,

Speaker 9 I feel like when you become that person, they just pull at you. Like, yeah, especially people who from ways

Speaker 9 they know how to get it out you know how to get it out you. And it's like, it's a full-time job to like not react and not crash out, like, let people say stuff, let people say certain thing.

Speaker 9 Because I'm always, I've always been a kind of guy, like

Speaker 9 I really go show love. Like, when I'm back home, I do events.
I do stuff for the kids, for the community. You feel what I'm saying? I go out.
I enjoy myself.

Speaker 9 All my homies who want to come out we can go to the club and do all that kind of stuff so i don't respond to negativity because like i'm outside too much right and you will see me i don't want to bring that type of energy on myself you feel i'm saying so it's like

Speaker 9 once you see it

Speaker 9 you will see stuff it might make you upset you seeing stuff on the internet you want to look at the comments and all that shit but you can't really let it affect you because you putting it on you like you putting too much of that energy on you and people just try to try you and just make a name for themselves for real i've i've seen it so many times where it's like

Speaker 9 yeah you could change and elevate and say i don't want to be that person no more but you got to stay sharp you have to like because in the instant in the instant it'll happen so it's like you because they know you gee they know you bro that ain't on him that's in him yeah he really like that yeah and so you like to go do all your way you got people who will really like know that and crash because they don't got nothing to live for right like they like they don't really even damn they care about their life right that much yeah if he don't give a damn about his health healthy.

Speaker 9 Like he wants me to do something to him damn that just so it's like I could my life up. I could go to jail or possibly die anything.
Like people really want you to

Speaker 9 stoop down to their level a lot. Like especially coming from Chicago.
You know what I'm saying? Like I see it a lot. I've seen it so many times.

Speaker 9 And what I'm saying about like staying sharp is like you don't have to

Speaker 9 become the aggressor in a situation, but you got to create boundaries. Like as soon as somebody crossed that line, you got to take it there.

Speaker 9 That's the only way that it's going to really like resolve in my opinion.

Speaker 9 Somebody cross that line, say certain shit. Like my mama always told me, somebody tell you they crazy, believe them.

Speaker 9 So it's like, if somebody says something to me, I'm automatically on radar and I'm ready to like. take it to the highest level because it's like, why are you even trying me?

Speaker 9 I got to make it home. So we not finna, it's not finna be no in-between either.
Choice between who goes and either want to take it there.

Speaker 9 Yeah, if you want to take it there, we're going to take it all the way there, man. Or we just not going to take it there at all.

Speaker 9 Jeez, man, I mean, we usually like he crazy, like, play, play crazy, or get a check crazy. You know, they're two different things.

Speaker 9 No, for sure. That's definitely like, there's two different can

Speaker 9 two different kinds. Like, and

Speaker 9 a lot of people get a check crazy.

Speaker 9 A lot of people really, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I seen, I know it. Like, in Chicago, it's like that place is different.
Like, right.

Speaker 9 Anybody, the craziest looking person you will never think of really do something to you. So it's like you gotta just stay on your way.
But how

Speaker 9 doesn't that get tired? Yeah, hell yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, because you, um,

Speaker 9 what was that movie, uh, Bumpy Johnson with a uh

Speaker 9 with whispers? And you thought, um, you know, the one

Speaker 9 movie, yeah, and he's like, he doesn't. I'm tired.
Yes. I'm tired.
Yeah. That's one of my favorite movies ever.
I'm like, bro,

Speaker 9 I mean, to like,

Speaker 9 have you ever had a peaceful night's sleep? Can you rest? Can you just lay down and like go get in a real sleep?

Speaker 9 You know, the only time I really sleep like that is when I'm home with my girl and my kids. Like, for real.
Even on the road, like, I still have nightmares a lot, bro.

Speaker 9 Like, nightmares, like, sleep paralysis. Like, it'd be hard for me.
Like, my girl be waking me up sometimes. She's like, man, what's wrong with you? Like, sound like you crying in your sleep.

Speaker 9 You jumping? Like, yeah. You feel me? Like, all of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I hate it, though. I'm not going to lie.
I don't like it at all. You feel what I'm saying? And I didn't didn't try at all.
You know, I've got a real nonprofit where I get therapy to all types of kids.

Speaker 9 I didn't try therapy myself. I still, you know, believe in therapy and try to have sessions as much as I can.
You feel what I'm saying? But it's like,

Speaker 9 it don't really help for real, for real. Especially with like sleep and stuff like that.
Like, I got bad insomnia. I'll be up all night, all night, and I might get a couple hours of sleep.

Speaker 9 And I feel like

Speaker 9 though,

Speaker 9 in my opinion, the only way it's going to kind of like change, I'm going to have to really retire and not deal with people and not deal with the shit that I deal with on a day. It's a long, long time.

Speaker 9 It's a long time. So it's like, I probably don't get no good night of sleep until I'm 50 years old.

Speaker 9 50, 55 years old.

Speaker 9 Don't worry about it. And then your flat will get bad and you don't get no good night sleep then.

Speaker 9 Trust me.

Speaker 9 You had a friend

Speaker 9 that

Speaker 9 reportedly was killed.

Speaker 9 I think he was shot at a barbershop.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That's who I like. That was my best friend, but I called him my little brother.
That's what was mad at me about the shot. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Obviously, you said that was your best friend.

Speaker 9 You called him, you know, like your little brother. Yeah.
When you got that news,

Speaker 9 what some of the emotions you started to feel?

Speaker 9 Honestly, that was

Speaker 9 probably one of the worst days of my life for sure. Like,

Speaker 9 never felt that

Speaker 9 shock and hurt and disappointment when it happened. And you know what's so crazy? He probably

Speaker 9 might have got killed 11 a.m. Chicago time.
So it's like 9 a.m. in L.A.
I'm fresh coming from the studio. Me and him texting paragraphs at 4 a.m.

Speaker 9 Like our last conversation was really just us telling each other how much we love each other.

Speaker 9 Like, man, bro, you know, I don't want nothing from you.

Speaker 9 I never wanted nothing from you i just want you to like win i just want the best for you that not nothing from you that was the last conversation we had talking like that you feel i'm saying so um

Speaker 9 i'm on the couch sleep at home and

Speaker 9 this girl hit me like i'm so sorry about your brother

Speaker 9 like it's this girl that do like philanthropy work in chicago you feel i'm saying and her brother worked at the barbershop So she knew already. Right.
As soon as it happened. You feel me?

Speaker 9 And I'm like, what? I'm like, what the f fuck are you talking about? She's like, I'm so sorry about him.

Speaker 9 I'm like, what? I got mad. I didn't even say nothing.
I didn't respond back to her. Nothing.
And then right after that, I get a call from one of my homies.

Speaker 9 Like, yeah, look, Ray just got shot in a barbershop. And it's like, I just lost it.
I got up

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 I started praying. I hit my knees.
I started praying. Like, please, please, please just let him pull through this shit.
Like, pretty, please. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 And at that moment, I couldn't think straight. Like, the only thing I could do is get on a plane to Chicago.
Like, I got on the plane. Like, I had to.
Like, I didn't even feel right being in L.A.

Speaker 9 And, you know, he just passed away. So it's like,

Speaker 9 I had to, like,

Speaker 9 really, it was just all I felt was like anger. Like, I wanted to do something, like, retaliate.
You know what I'm saying? Like, me being who I am, G.

Speaker 9 Herbo, a star, really went to Chicago and was just like, I lost my mind for real. Because, like,

Speaker 9 him, he ain't never like,

Speaker 9 that wasn't him. Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, don't get me wrong.
Yeah, he's a street dude. He was in the streets with us, but that just wasn't him.
And I really felt like

Speaker 9 somebody did that to him to hurt me.

Speaker 9 Like, that was the whole thing. And I said it a lot.
And, you know, it's so crazy. His grandma, who I call my grandma, like, that's my grandma.
I still talk to her as much as possible.

Speaker 9 I go see whatever she needs.

Speaker 9 Like, that's really, I'm, to his family, I'm the closest thing to him like that they even have right you feel what i'm saying and you know his kids is my god kids so it's like that's my real deal family i lived with them i'm i lived in their house um when i ain't had nothing um

Speaker 9 it's like i felt like

Speaker 9 i was responsible for his death for a long time And it happened in 2021. And I didn't even, I ain't used to drink at all.
Like, I ain't used to drink shit for sure. Like, I didn't drink.

Speaker 9 I wasn't even, I was just like, nigga, just smoke, get hot. Like, I.
Yeah, me either. But we make it up a lost time.
For sure.

Speaker 9 Like,

Speaker 9 I was one of them guys where, like, I drink once a year, twice a year, maybe. You feel what I'm saying? And

Speaker 9 one cup would get me drunk. It's our third cup right now.

Speaker 9 You feel me? I ain't no rookie no more. But I'm saying that to say, like,

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 I don't know, I don't even like, bro, I don't even care. Like, I'm going to just be honest.
Like, when I went to Chicago, I went like on time. And, like, I took a hoodie.

Speaker 9 I had packed all type of crazy shit. Yeah.
I was finna go to Chicago. I was just like, it all was ready to throw my away.
You leaked up with the homie.

Speaker 9 I was ready to throw my life away for real. I drove my track hawk to one of my, my man's crib in L.A., who I

Speaker 9 was in business with, and just talking to him.

Speaker 9 And I had the suitcase in the back of my track hawk.

Speaker 9 And we was upstairs talking. And he like man you need a drink

Speaker 9 gave me a drink i took it and i'm like a real like

Speaker 9 i don't believe in coincidence like i'm a real spiritual person

Speaker 9 um

Speaker 9 when i'm in my head i'm like bro i can't believe i'm finna go back to chicago that's when i know he was dead that's when i found out he was dead already i'm like bro i'm finna go back to chicago this shit like I really was ready to like just throw my life away.

Speaker 9 I really didn't give a f ⁇ for real when that shit happened.

Speaker 9 i looked out the window i seen like

Speaker 9 200 birds flying like just right out the window like a flock of birds so many birds i'm like damn man little bro was gonna go to heaven like you feel like in my head i'm like

Speaker 9 it man

Speaker 9 i ain't even finna go back and crash out like me seeing them birds go up in that right it just like it kind of calmed me down it gave you a sense of peace didn't he yeah in a way like for real even the first like literally the very first when it happened i ain't even got on the plane yet i'm still like i took like three shots of hennessy

Speaker 9 and i'm still in my head i'm still angry of course but i'm like damn i'm looking at these birds while i'm thinking about this like

Speaker 9 damn man you know it just my head up like i ain't finna crash out but i get on the plane still

Speaker 9 and i left the whole suitcase it's how you know my mind racing I left the whole suitcase in my track hole. I got in a black truck to the airport.
I didn't even grab the suitcase out of my bag.

Speaker 9 I mean, out of my car.

Speaker 9 And I get on the plane. I go to sleep.
And I swear to God, I had a dream that me, him,

Speaker 9 and his baby mama, his second baby mama. He got two baby mamas.
Me, him, and his second baby mama was just walking around the neighborhood going door to door, like asking who killed him.

Speaker 9 And he with me. Like, me, him, and his baby mama.
Just asking, like, yeah, who killed, bro? But he right there with me, asking who killed him. You see what I'm saying? It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 9 That shit f ⁇ ed my head up. I got off the plane, like, damn, I just had this crazy ass dream like I go straight to his grandma house and see her start crying hugging and shit I'm just like man

Speaker 9 you ain't like you ain't got to worry about nothing like you feel I'm saying like yeah he gone but you got me I promise I'm always be there like you know what I'm saying I'm gonna be there for his kids like I took on that role and responsibility like no matter what how big, how much my career is hectic, like, I'm gonna always be there for his family.

Speaker 9 You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 It's like, i can't do that if i crash up so it's like i just took on that responsibility of being the closest thing to him you know for his family and and i i'm grateful for that i appreciate that when i hear that because that was somebody that i love unconditionally and i know his family love me and it's like

Speaker 9 i feel like they when they tell me that like man uh like you the closest thing we have to him like we need you like these kids need you you show what i'm saying so it's like i just took on that role and of course, a part of me is gone forever.

Speaker 9 And I feel like

Speaker 9 no matter what I do or how much success I get, I never really could enjoy it for real because I always

Speaker 9 hear. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Like, I was thinking about when I get 30 and 40, if I ever win a Grammy, just certain shit is like it's not going to really feel right because I wanted to enjoy it with him.

Speaker 9 And I always get them little thoughts and flashbacks in my head and stuff like that. But it turned me into a different person, man.

Speaker 9 i fell into alcoholism crazy like i was down in a whole fifth a day like by myself literally every single day like i'm glad you pulled out of that yeah i was stressed out i turned into a totally different person like and i just had i just had my second son like i turned into like

Speaker 9 man it was i don't know i was just like a different person like i really felt like i couldn't be a father like the way I wanted to be. I was so stressed out and so depressed.

Speaker 9 was like I didn't want to be home because I didn't want my girl to see me that weak. Like I was at my weakest and my lowest.

Speaker 9 So I used to have to be outside and ride around and go cry, go to clubs and just do stupid ass shit just to get my mind off of what

Speaker 9 I was really thinking about for real. But I definitely pulled out of it.
And one of the conversations that helped me was a conversation with his grandma. And she told me the real.

Speaker 9 She told me the ugly that I really didn't want to hear. She like, she really looked at me and said, yeah,

Speaker 9 my grandson died because of you. Everybody really know that he got killed because somebody wanted to hurt me.
Like, oh yeah, this is her best friend. Like, I'm gonna do something to him.
Right.

Speaker 9 You feel me? And

Speaker 9 when she told me that, she like, because she seen me

Speaker 9 just slipping through the cracks, getting drunk at that, she like, you better not f ⁇ your life up. Like, all we got is you.
Like, you better make something of your life.

Speaker 9 I know how much he loves you, believed in you. Like, I don't, okay, you, we hurting.
You all hurting, but it's like, you're not finna let him die for nothing. You better be the best you could be.

Speaker 9 And that shit, really, like, man, you snap out of it. Yeah, this concludes the first half of my conversation.

Speaker 9 Part two is also posted, and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to. Part one on.
Just simply go back to Club Shether profile, and I'll see you there.

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