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Speaker 13 The Patriots, oh, Joe, very, very, very interesting game. Very good game, man.

Speaker 13 Man, that was a barn burner. The Patriots go to Buffalo

Speaker 13 and they win. Drake May, 22 of 30, 273.
He didn't have a touchdown. He didn't have an interception.
A clean game. He was sacked four times, but man, Stephon Diggs gets his revenge.

Speaker 13 He played out of his mind.

Speaker 13 10 catches for a buck 46. Josh Allen, 22 of 31, 253, two touchdowns, one interception.

Speaker 13 Dalton Kincaid led them with six catches for a bucko eight. But I thought the Patriots played unbelievable and they won and they deserve to win this game.
There are no more unbeatens.

Speaker 13 This was the last of the unbeatens. And thanks to the New England Patriots, they go into Buffalo and come away with a hard fought road division win, Ocho.

Speaker 13 We'll see how this thing shapes up as we move forward down the line. But hey, New England has to be proud of what they were able to do on the road.

Speaker 13 What did you like about what you saw from the Patriots?

Speaker 14 Listen, what I like from the Patriots with Drake made it.

Speaker 13 Everything,

Speaker 14 can you hear me on?

Speaker 14 Oh, you got it. You got a charge of things up, baby.

Speaker 14 Let me know and you can hear me.

Speaker 14 There we go.

Speaker 13 Hello.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I can hear you now. Can you hear me? I don't hear nothing.

Speaker 14 We got time. Chat, can you hear me, chat?

Speaker 14 If I'm going to dream.

Speaker 14 Chat, can you hear me?

Speaker 13 Yeah, well, you good. That was on my end, Ocho.

Speaker 14 Okay, okay. Okay, you're good.
You're good. You're good.
You're good. Let me know you're ready.

Speaker 13 I'm good. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Oh, look. So what I like from the Patriots was a quarterback play.

Speaker 13 Yep.

Speaker 14 Quarterback play. Because if you look around the league, right, I'm going to get back to the page.
If you look around the league, all the teams that have a chance in winning

Speaker 14 have a quarterback. They have consistent play at the position.

Speaker 14 There's a reason, if you watch all the games today, including tonight's game, to have a chance to win and compete, you need a quarterback. That's it.
Drake May, phenomenal game.

Speaker 14 It seemed like the offense basically was filtered in this game through Stephon Diggs, showing that he's still capable of playing. He's still capable of making plays.
And he showed out the night.

Speaker 14 Drake May

Speaker 14 had a very clean game. Buffalo, obviously, some unfortunate turnovers.
The Patriots turnovers as well. But what's Stevens' first name?

Speaker 13 Ramondre.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 14 he had some costly turnovers, but it didn't affect him when it comes to

Speaker 14 winning the game.

Speaker 14 It could have been costly. Outside of that, the Patriots played a really good game, especially on defense as well.

Speaker 13 They did a great job of containing Josh

Speaker 13 and containing those receivers.

Speaker 13 Wherever they caught the ball at, they made sure they didn't do a great

Speaker 13 run after the catch. I think Shakura got away like one time.
But you're right, Ocho.

Speaker 13 When you have a quarterback, when you have a calming, I mean, you look at the way Drake May played in a hostile environment against a division rival. He was 22 of 30, 273.

Speaker 13 Although he didn't throw a touchdown, he didn't turn the ball over. He didn't put the ball in harm's way.
The last thing that you can do is turn the ball over.

Speaker 13 Now, it negated, I mean, you mentioned Ramondre Stevenson. He turned the ball over.
But when you get three turnovers, when you force three.

Speaker 13 Now you greatly increase your chances of winning because you offset. Now you're plus two.
You could have been plus three, but you're plus two in the turnover battle.

Speaker 13 Buffalo did not, you know, I wasn't surprised that James Cook couldn't get going because the Patriots are really good against the run.

Speaker 13 Defensive-minded head coach. He was a great, he was a, look, I played against Brabel.
Yeah. And he was solid, Ocho.
If he was supposed to be in the flat, he had his ass in the flat.

Speaker 13 If he was supposed to be in the hook, he was going to be in the hook. If his job was to set the edge, you weren't going to hook it.

Speaker 13 So, and he coaches. He asks his players to be smart.
He asks his players to be disciplined. And you can see it coming through.
They played really well. The Patriots are going to be, look,

Speaker 13 I thought the Patriots would be good if they got a head coach. Yes, sir.
Because that quarterback, he has it.

Speaker 14 Great potential.

Speaker 13 But Brable, man. And they got a guy, a number one receiver in Stephon Diggs that made every play that needed to be made tonight.
They had him for a sack. He was just trying to throw the ball away.

Speaker 13 And somehow he gets it to Diggs, and Diggs picks up 14 yards. And that was the start.
Sometimes, Ojo, in a situation, a two-minute drill like that,

Speaker 13 that's the start you need. You need that one positive play to start to drive, to kick it off.

Speaker 13 You know what?

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 we're going to win this game, man. That ain't supposed to happen like that.
Not at all.

Speaker 13 And they got it going from there. But you had to be impressed with what you saw from the Patriots.
Now, hell, I'm thinking about how the hell y'all lose two games when y'all play like this.

Speaker 14 Yeah, most definitely. And the funny thing about it is I like the jump.
the jump that Drake may have made from year one to year two.

Speaker 14 And having games like this is only going to continue to build his confidence.

Speaker 14 And when you have games like this, if you have an officer coordinator like Josh Daniels, and you're able to make some of the throws you made tonight, to have a clean game like this, he can add more to your plate.

Speaker 14 He can add more to your plate and you can do more offensively. So the Patriots are going to be hell to deal with for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 14 As long as Drake May continues to stay upright and stay healthy and you have players like as long as they don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 13 Oh, they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right.
But at the end of the day, it's it's still about turnovers.

Speaker 14 Yes, most definitely. Most definitely.

Speaker 13 We'll just leave it through with the computer. You just purchase some new ones.
I don't know what's going on with those.

Speaker 13 Ocho, you got me?

Speaker 14 Yeah, I got you, baby. I'm here.

Speaker 13 I'm here. Yeah,

Speaker 13 my AirPods are shot, so I'm coming through the computer right now.

Speaker 14 I'm coming through the the computer too. You good?

Speaker 13 You good?

Speaker 13 No, you look. Buffalo, I don't look.
Yeah, you turned the ball over.

Speaker 14 They had three, right?

Speaker 13 Three. Josh fumbled.
He threw a pick. Jones made a great jump on the ball.

Speaker 13 But when you, bro, when you

Speaker 13 and what Josh had done, say the last 15, 16 games, he'd done a great job of taking care of the football.

Speaker 14 You've been clean, huh?

Speaker 13 You've been real clean.

Speaker 13 And that's the way, because these teams it's hard for you to turn the ball over and win in today's game yes yes because for the most part you're going up against a team that got a quarterback that i'm not saying drake may obviously drake may is not on the level of of a josh allen right but he can play well enough if you give them let them be plus two and you can't put him in harm's way yeah you're gonna catch hell beating him you know what the good thing is when you have a quarterback like josh allen he's one of the few quarterbacks that can have a three turnover game and still overcome it overcome it yes you can still overcome it because of how well that team is running some of the plays that he can make not only with his arm but hell he can make it with his legs too yes they did a great job of neutralizing his legs tonight ojo he did have a long of 19 but nine for 53 uh it really didn't hurt him they did a great job of containing him um he didn't beat him they didn't give up the big uh the big chunky runs to uh james cook but i thought the patriots they they deserved to win this game they did a great job uh getting the ball for

Speaker 13 forcing Buffalo to settle for the field goal and not getting in the end zone and needing a touchdown in order to win the ball game.

Speaker 13 So give their defense credit because when they needed to bowl their back and they did, they held him to what? Made them kick, what, three, two field goals? Yeah, two field goals.

Speaker 13 That could have easily, you know, turned him to touchdown because that's what the Bills normally do. When they get down there, because Josh is so dynamic with his legs and his arms,

Speaker 13 they put you under the gun.

Speaker 13 But the patriots today was able to neutralize that it's like nah bro nah we're not we're not we're not going for that today and you know buffalo bills get a very tough victory on the road against a division opponent by the score of 20 23 20.

Speaker 13 they basically walk it off it was 10 seconds left and so unless something

Speaker 13 unforeseen were to happen they weren't going to win this game so you need to patriots congratulations

Speaker 13 They got people's attention, OJo.

Speaker 14 Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else I like about Drake May too? What's the one thing a a defense tried to do to rattle a young quarterback, especially only in his second year?

Speaker 14 You bring pressure, you bring pressure. And every time they brought pressure, he found a way to beat it.

Speaker 14 Every time, even though he was getting flushed out of the pocket because there was always a man up, there was always a man that was free that was coming, he still found a way to make a play.

Speaker 14 And if there wasn't anything there, he didn't put the ball in harm's way.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 They, um,

Speaker 13 but

Speaker 13 Buffalo goes to five, four, and one. Yeah.
Patriots move up to three and two.

Speaker 13 See how this thing shapes out. I still believe Buffalo is the class of that division.

Speaker 13 But it probably is not going to be as easily as we previously thought. No.

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Speaker 13 Cowboys go to the Meadowlands. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I don't know if they call it the Meadowlands anymore. Met Life Stadium.
That's what they call it. And they win.
They mollywop the Jets 37-22. The 2-2-1, not Cowboys.
Jets are 0-5.

Speaker 13 Dak Prescott was sensational. 18 of 29, 237, 4 touchdowns, no interceptions.
Javante Williams, 16 carries, a buck 35.

Speaker 13 He was running the football. The Cowboys were missing four starters on the offensive line.

Speaker 13 And by the time the first half ended, the Cowboys had a 100-yard rusher in Javante Williams and and a 100-yard receiver in Ryan Flournoy.

Speaker 13 And Dak Prescott had two touchdown passes to his tight end, Jake Ferguson.

Speaker 13 Justin Fields was 32 of 46, 283, two touchdowns. His offensive line isn't very good.
Their defense isn't very good. I thought their defense would be better than what is shown thus far.
They're not.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 Brees Hall had 14 carries for a buck 13, don't you? And he was totally carried for 144 yards.

Speaker 14 He was totally. And he got blown out.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 listen, that goddamn Javante Williams,

Speaker 14 Javante Williams, with him running like that, it opens up everything else for Dak.

Speaker 13 He looks like the Carolina Javante Williams. You remember when he came out on Joe, how he ran the football? Yeah.
He was coming back off of knee surgery.

Speaker 13 So it needed, he needed to get one year removed after that knee surgery. Now he looks like the guy.

Speaker 14 Hey, he was totally that thing. And

Speaker 14 he's totally, listen, you come up there, you come up there to the party, he gonna dish it.

Speaker 14 He gonna dish it.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 14 Hey, that goddamn Dak look good, boy.

Speaker 13 Oh, he authority today. He was dealing.

Speaker 14 Hey, that goddamn Dak look good. Pickings out there.

Speaker 14 Ferguson out there

Speaker 14 getting jiggy.

Speaker 13 I like Ferguson. I've always liked Ferguson.
Even as a rookie.

Speaker 13 Ocho.

Speaker 13 You know what annoys me with DBs? What? When you get up there and press coverage and you open the door.

Speaker 14 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 If you're going to get in press coverage, put your hands on the guy. If you're not, back your ass off.

Speaker 14 Wait, was it bail technique?

Speaker 13 It was sauce. No, it wasn't bail.
No, he was, he, he was just, just open the door. Right.
And, and, and, and Pick ran right by it.

Speaker 14 He thought, he thought, he thought, pick, we're going to run something short, I bet.

Speaker 13 If you open the door, my granny used to say all the time, boy, open the door, flies come in the house.

Speaker 14 Every time.

Speaker 13 Okay. You open, you up in press coverage.
Yeah. But you got to realize if you open the gate, the guy got to run and start.

Speaker 13 now you have to turn and run yeah you do you're not catching up with these top flight receivers look

Speaker 13 i i i don't like to be the bearer of bad news but soft gardener hasn't been the same since his rookie year if we being all the way honest

Speaker 13 if we being if we being 1000 honest right he's been the same since they started calling all that clutching and holding the whole thing and they let him get away with his rookie season chat y'all know it watch the tape watch it he ain't the same

Speaker 13 he the highest paid congratulations but ain't no way i'm putting him up there with stingly i'm putting him up there with uh uh sertan

Speaker 13 nah i mean

Speaker 14 well hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on listen now i understand he might get the he might get the call he might get the holding calls he he might you know get beat sometime But young Bull is paid significantly because he showed on film he's worth what he's getting.

Speaker 13 He's been the same since the rookie year. Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 13 Watch him. Watch the tape.
Look at him he ain't been the same

Speaker 13 he's not

Speaker 13 he's not

Speaker 13 he

Speaker 13 and

Speaker 13 he ain't even close he ain't even close to surtend we they need to stop that discussion that that's that's two totally different bodies of work stingley that two sertan

Speaker 13 they by themselves man

Speaker 13 they by themselves

Speaker 13 i mean i i just be all the way 1000 with yojo and and chad jets fans if you being honest y'all watched him over the last three four years he ain't been the same since the rookie year.

Speaker 13 Because they call all that clutching and holding that

Speaker 13 he was getting away with, they calling it now.

Speaker 13 Not.

Speaker 14 Damn.

Speaker 14 You do understand defensive back is the hardest position to play on the field, huh?

Speaker 13 Yes, I do. Yes.
Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 13 Oh, Joe, he makes $30 million a year.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Guess what? It was hard when he was a rookie. He was defensive rookie of the year.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 We don't do that. Hey,

Speaker 13 as you make, as you make more,

Speaker 13 more is expected, don't you?

Speaker 13 Absolutely. You don't get to still look, you don't get to stay the same.
You're like, well, you know, hey, no,

Speaker 13 you're supposed to try to elevate. I'm going to show everybody why they gave me this money.
Yes. They paid you for that defensive player of the year.
I mean, defensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 13 They paid you for that all-pro. They're paying you now because they say we believe moving forward, he's going to be better than what he was to make us give him this money.

Speaker 13 So we're going to be getting him out of bargain. He's not playing well.
And it's okay to say that.

Speaker 13 Somehow, we've gotten away from like,

Speaker 13 if a guy's not playing well and he's a good player, it's okay to say, he's not playing well, Chad. Chad, he's not.
He's not. And it could be a receiver.
It could be a running back.

Speaker 13 It could be a quarterback. I'm not telling you.
Because somebody's not playing away currency. The thing is, Ocho, a lot of times when you say a player isn't playing well,

Speaker 13 their fan base or family members or even them think you're trying to discredit what they've already done.

Speaker 13 I cannot take away the all-pro, nor would I attempt to. I can't take away that Pro Bowl, that defensive rookie of the year.
Yes. You've got that.

Speaker 13 But what that got to do with how you're playing right now? That's still on your resume.

Speaker 14 You know what? I would love. I wish I had it in front of me.
See, I'm on the road, so I don't have my other computer in front of me. Look at some some of the numbers on how he's played this year.

Speaker 14 So I would have to do my homework first because I don't watch the Jets significantly. I watch all the games as a whole.
You know, I'm watching the TV copy. It doesn't give you

Speaker 14 a fair way to judge or assess how an individual player is playing until you get to see the numbers. So, I mean, you would know better than me because I haven't been able to watch the Jets.

Speaker 14 outside of Justin Fields and what Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson are doing. So

Speaker 14 I got to check that out. I got to check that out.
But I know one thing: if you don't pay a player $30 million,

Speaker 14 I'm just saying, you don't pay a player $30 million if he's regressing

Speaker 14 from his rookie year. So

Speaker 14 that's why it's hard.

Speaker 13 He does not look the same. And

Speaker 13 I don't think anybody that watch, if they're being honest, can look at and say, you know what? Yeah. Sauce is the same guy we saw as a rookie.
He's not.

Speaker 13 He is not.

Speaker 13 Jets have employed 19 full-time coaches over six decades. Today, Aaron Glenn became the first to start his tenure with five straight losses.

Speaker 13 The coach that is known for his defense, the Jets are on pace to allow the most points in franchise history.

Speaker 13 Glenn states that he has no plans of taking over play calling from D.C. Steve Wilkes.
Ocho, we've seen very few black coaches get time to figure things out.

Speaker 13 Do you believe

Speaker 13 because we saw Steve Wilkes in Arizona,

Speaker 13 we saw a last year coach

Speaker 13 in New England.

Speaker 13 Do you believe that he's going to get an opportunity to figure this thing out?

Speaker 14 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
It's his first year, huh? And obviously,

Speaker 13 it was Steve Wilkes first year. Yeah.
It was, what's the,

Speaker 13 what was the coach in New England last year?

Speaker 13 Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo.
Right. It was his first year.

Speaker 14 Yeah. But obviously, you know,

Speaker 14 they want it for Abel.

Speaker 13 Okay, so what if, what, so what is, what if another coach is out there?

Speaker 13 You say they want it for Abel. Okay.

Speaker 13 What if they want somebody else and he's available?

Speaker 14 I don't know. I don't know.
And you know what?

Speaker 14 If anything, you would think the Jets would have a head start and have success on the defensive side of the ball, because

Speaker 14 that was their identity. That's always been their identity.
Their defense was really good.

Speaker 14 Their defense was really good.

Speaker 13 i'm not sure what's going on now but if there's one thing you you probably thought you wouldn't have to worry about when it came to football season or this season starting is the jets defense yeah just focus on the offense and hoping justin field justin fields is your answer for the foreseeable future yeah the jets had us fooled though ojo because we looked at remember when they had zach wilson and they said oh if they just and i'm saying that's a here and what that's what that's what made them go out and get aaron rodgers yeah i said now but you say you're under the premise that the defense is going to be just as good if not better, because if they have any slippage, the quarterback's not going to be able to overcome that.

Speaker 13 That defense hasn't been the same since you got to go back, Zach Wilson, you got to go way, way back to talk about that defense. Don't nobody fear that defense now? No.

Speaker 13 They don't. Justin Fields constantly running for his life, sacked five times for 49 yards.

Speaker 13 They're a mess. Yeah.
They are.

Speaker 14 And you know, another thing, too, I'm not an officer coordinator,

Speaker 14 but most of the time you have officer lines.

Speaker 14 I think about the Bengals, I think about the Jets, I think about other quarterbacks that are in situations where the officer lines aren't that good.

Speaker 14 I don't understand for the life of me if you know, if you know the officer's life, not good, put your quarterback on the sitter and just run quick game.

Speaker 14 Just run quick game. I don't understand what

Speaker 13 happened, though, because they fell behind so quick they couldn't get you about it. Okay, think about it.
Brees Hall had 14 carries for a buck 13.

Speaker 13 But you behind. I mean, they were behind.
I mean, Dallas, the score was 23, the score was 23-3 at the half.

Speaker 13 The score was 30-6

Speaker 13 at

Speaker 13 the end of the third quarter. How the hell are we going to run the ball, Locho? We down 23-3 at the half.

Speaker 13 We found 30 to 6 in the third quarter. Ain't no more running.

Speaker 14 You ain't got no choice.

Speaker 13 Receivers, run your ass and get open. That's what the running you're doing.
The running backs, I'm sorry. You blocking or you chipping your way out.
Doug, it is what it is.

Speaker 14 Yeah. And you know what's funny? But see, maybe the bills are built a little different.

Speaker 14 A high percentage of the time, anytime Josh Allen is in shotgun,

Speaker 14 it's a pass. Yes.
A high percentage of time, anytime

Speaker 14 it's out of center, it's a run. Yes.
Every so often, he'll be in shotgun.

Speaker 13 He'll try to throw you off. Yeah.
He'll definitely tell you.

Speaker 14 But

Speaker 14 I don't know. I don't know.
It's still very early in the season, but now that we're in week five,

Speaker 14 everything should be churning. Offenses should be churning.
You should be hitting your stride. You should be hitting your rhythm at this point.

Speaker 14 Defenses should be ahead of the eight ball because all you got to do is read and react.

Speaker 14 That's it.

Speaker 13 And sometimes, Ocho, you know, you have these expectations of defense, but you don't really know. You hope, you think

Speaker 13 that team, because every year we have a team that comes up, springs up out of nowhere. Yeah.
It's the playoffs. We have an offense that, like, damn, I didn't know they had this in them.

Speaker 13 Or we have a defense. And then we have teams that we expect take a step back be it offensively defense or to team as a total in totality right

Speaker 13 um

Speaker 13 i thought the jets would be better

Speaker 13 they got to do better than this son hey but um well you 0 and 5 you know how difficult it is to climb out of out of a hole oh you ain't oh you do realize in order to be 500 you'd have to win for five straight straight yeah five straight what's the likelihood hell they can't win one in a row how the hell they gonna win five in a row?

Speaker 13 And it doesn't get any easier. What's the schedule? What's the Jets next five game?

Speaker 13 They are. Broncos.
They got. So guess what? They go to Denver at Broncos.

Speaker 14 You know what's going to happen?

Speaker 13 Okay, they're home to the Broncos.

Speaker 14 They're going to beat y'all. They're going to beat y'all.

Speaker 13 Oh, they got y'all locho on the schedule.

Speaker 14 Who?

Speaker 13 Jets.

Speaker 14 They plan in Cincinnati. They plan.

Speaker 13 in Cincinnati. Broncos, Panthers, Bengals, Browns.
Okay, they got Broncos, Panthers,

Speaker 13 Bengals, Browns.

Speaker 14 Ooh,

Speaker 14 that's tough.

Speaker 14 That's tough.

Speaker 14 They might be old. They might be 0-1.

Speaker 13 Shoot, 0-8. We know one thing.
The Broncos can get after your damn quarterback.

Speaker 14 Absolutely.

Speaker 13 Ask Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 14 Well, listen,

Speaker 14 the one thing you do have for jalen hurt for i'm talking about jalen hurts for justin fields is he can run he can move

Speaker 13 well they don't give him a chance to move because by the time he gets the snap somebody if it's somebody on it in his face yeah yep

Speaker 14 damn

Speaker 14 well you you you want to do everything you can to start fast but a hole

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Speaker 13 Oh, Joe, the Texans dismantle a beat-up Ravens teams 44 to 10.

Speaker 13 Don't do that.

Speaker 14 Don't do that. Don't go.
Don't do that. Don't do that.
No, because when you talked about the Bengals, you didn't say beat up. You just said lost to the Bengals.

Speaker 14 Just say the Houston Texans dismantled the Ravens.

Speaker 13 Don't dismantle them.

Speaker 13 You're going to let me finish the reader, though.

Speaker 14 Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and finish it.

Speaker 13 Don't try to solve it.

Speaker 13 Now to a shocking one-in-four record. The Texans scored six touchdowns in four games.
It scored five today. The 44 points is the most by team in a home game in the John Harbaugh 18 season era.

Speaker 13 The Ravens are on pace, 35.4 points per game to shatter the Panthers' 2024 NFL record. Most points allowed, 534.

Speaker 13 John Harbaugh said, John Harbaugh said after the 34-point loss that Zach Orr will remain the defensive coordinator. I don't think that's the answer.
We have to go to work is what we need to do.

Speaker 13 We need to stick together is what we need to do. We need to find ourselves, and that has to do with coaches, players working together.

Speaker 14 Absolutely. Well, listen, I don't want you to say foot or ball with that Ravens helmet.
Go get that Ravens helmet for me.

Speaker 13 Go get that. It's in the closet.

Speaker 14 Huh?

Speaker 13 It's in the closet.

Speaker 14 Oh, wait, that's exactly where it belongs. Trapped in the closet.

Speaker 14 Y'all was abysmal today.

Speaker 14 Y'all were horrible today. Y'all were horrible offensively.
Y'all were horrible today.

Speaker 13 They were horrible on all sides of the ball.

Speaker 13 CJ Stroud. This was the best CJ Stroud has looked in this rookie year.

Speaker 14 Rookie year. I was just going to say that.

Speaker 13 23 of 27. 244 yards, four touchdowns, no interception.
He was sacked twice. He had a 99.9 QBR.
They ran the ball 33 times for a buck 67.

Speaker 13 Nicole Collins had a touchdown. Hutchinson had two touchdowns.
Noel had a touchdown.

Speaker 13 Cooper Rush.

Speaker 13 I don't know who. Look,

Speaker 13 we don't need to talk about this, but we know Cooper Rush is not the answer. If Cooper Rush is the answer, I need to know the question that you're asking.

Speaker 13 Oh, anyway, he was 14 of 20, 179, three interceptions, sacked once. Derrick Henry had 15 rushes, 33 yards, and a touchdown.

Speaker 13 Keon Mitchell had three for eight yards. Justice Hill had one for three yards.
Zay Flowers had five catches for 72 yards. D-Hawk, two for 46.

Speaker 14 Wait a minute. How many interceptions did Cooper Rush have?

Speaker 13 Three. Three?

Speaker 14 How many interceptions did Jake Browning have?

Speaker 13 Three.

Speaker 14 Okay.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 14 that means

Speaker 14 that means

Speaker 14 they score 44 on y'all. They ain't scored 44 on us.

Speaker 13 They ain't scored on the score. They took a knee on the 10-yard line.

Speaker 14 What?

Speaker 13 They took a knee on the 10-yard line. Y'all coaches didn't know.

Speaker 13 Y'all coaches didn't know you couldn't put the ball. Y'all put the ball and we didn't land in the landing area.
And so they got the ball down to the 10-yard line. It could have scored again on you.

Speaker 14 He scored 44 on your team.

Speaker 13 44.

Speaker 13 That's not your team.

Speaker 13 That's not your team.

Speaker 14 They scored 44 on your team.

Speaker 13 Oh, okay. I thought you said that was your team.

Speaker 14 Listen,

Speaker 14 you're talking with a little too much volume in basic

Speaker 14 team that just lost 44 to 10.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but look.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Oh, Joe, you already down Vanoy, Mattabeek, Hump, and

Speaker 13 your safety, Kyle Hamilton. Yeah.
So you're down four starters there. And you're down Lamar Jackson.
And your defense was already struggling.

Speaker 13 So you're down four starters on the defensive side of a defense that's already struggling. Well, wait a minute.
It ain't gonna get no better.

Speaker 14 It wasn't gonna get no better even if they was healthy because when everybody was healthy, they still wasn't doing nothing. They still wasn't about nothing.
Now, the only chance you do have.

Speaker 13 I'm glad you said that because it reminds you of the Bengals, right? No, because when Joe Burrow was healthy there last year, they would give up 30 a game.

Speaker 14 Let me finish. Let me finish.
Any chance y'all do have the only promising hope

Speaker 14 for Ravens fans and for that organization to even compete? Well, you need eight,

Speaker 14 You got to have Pompano's finest out there in order to compete.

Speaker 13 Well, it doesn't look like he'll probably be back.

Speaker 14 How long are he going to be out?

Speaker 13 I don't know. They say one to two weeks, one to three weeks.
It all depends on how,

Speaker 13 hold on.

Speaker 13 Oh, Kyle Banoy played today. He got a sack, oh Joe.

Speaker 14 Oh, oh, you don't say.

Speaker 14 And

Speaker 14 it didn't work, huh? It ain't helped though, huh?

Speaker 13 No. Yeah, it don't mean nothing.

Speaker 13 They needed more.

Speaker 13 Look,

Speaker 13 ain't no easy way to say this, but it's not going to get better for the Ravens, Ocho.

Speaker 14 Yeah, yeah, I know it's not better.

Speaker 13 They're not going to get better. And it seems like that loss opening night that they had that lead, it took a lot out of them.
You hate to say one game, Ocho, but you were in this situation.

Speaker 13 Remember, you had them on the ropes last year in the playoff game, and you lose that one in heartbreaking fashion.

Speaker 13 You had a big lead in the game starting, what was that, Sunday night, and you lose that one. And they really never got their footing back after that.

Speaker 13 Yeah, what's Baltimore? Give me Baltimore's next five games, Ash.

Speaker 13 It doesn't look like it's going to get any better.

Speaker 14 Oh, it's not. It's definitely not.
It's going to get better for us before it gets better for y'all.

Speaker 14 I can tell you that. And I say that in a respectful manner as someone who loves the Ravens.

Speaker 13 Rams, they got the Rams next. That's a loss.
Bears.

Speaker 14 That's a loss.

Speaker 13 Vikings?

Speaker 13 Dolphins. Oh, Dolphins.
That's a win. They got the Dolphins.
That's a win.

Speaker 14 Okay, I might get it.

Speaker 13 Vikings, them Browns, and then Browns. Oh, they're going to beat the Dolphins.
Everybody beat the Dolphins.

Speaker 14 So

Speaker 13 y'all going to win. Oh, why are you talking? Your Dolphins got crushed.

Speaker 14 They did.

Speaker 13 Carolina beat them.

Speaker 14 Wait, the score of 27-24. You're talking about crushed.

Speaker 13 They want to.

Speaker 14 Y'all had a lead huh y'all was leading i know but but you say we got crushed we didn't get crushed and the panthers been playing some good ball but you see bryce young what you talk about

Speaker 14 it ain't like oh the dolphins got crushed no the panthers dolphins got beat

Speaker 14 carolina carolina put foots in them hold on carolina the same team that just beat the goddamn um Atlanta Falcons 30, was it 38 or 30?

Speaker 13 We ain't talking about the Falcons. I'm talking about your Dolphins.
I know. You know what, Ocho? All your teams,

Speaker 13 the Bengals and the Dolphins combined.

Speaker 14 I know you're not talking because we just talked about your Ravens.

Speaker 14 Listen, the Bengals don't have, we don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 13 Oh, the Ravens got a quarterback?

Speaker 14 Huh?

Speaker 13 The Ravens got a quarterback?

Speaker 14 Yeah,

Speaker 14 I mean, your defense is bad, though.

Speaker 14 You talk about the Bengals defense. Look at y'all defense.

Speaker 14 What you mean?

Speaker 13 oh joe but see your thing was the dolphins was up 17 nothing

Speaker 13 oh look at it now now look at it now look at it

Speaker 14 hey we was up 17 nothing yeah

Speaker 13 yeah

Speaker 13 and then what happened

Speaker 14 It seemed like Brex Young did it what he needed to do.

Speaker 13 No, no, no. Look, the Texans, the way the Texans play, this is the way people expected CJ to play his second year.

Speaker 14 Right.

Speaker 13 The way he played today. This is the best CJ Stroud has looked since his rookie season.

Speaker 13 They ran the ball 33 times for 167 yards. Nick Chubb, 11 for 61.
I mean, look, Nick Chubb was really, you know, the only thing. CJ had one, had one run for 30 yards.
He looked pretty fast to me.

Speaker 13 I guess he found the fountain of youth over the last couple of days.

Speaker 13 But anyway, they look, they this was a total team where they was a dominant, they dominated, ain't no way around it, they dominated the ball game.

Speaker 13 CJ was poised in the pocket, he only missed two throws, and then you get the ball, you run the ball for over 150 yards, uh, and then you sack the quarterback.

Speaker 13 Uh, you only sacked the quarterback once, but

Speaker 13 I'm trying to think 179 plus 44. They barely had over two, they barely had over 200 yards total offense.

Speaker 13 When you go on the road, you can go into a team's building and and hold them, you know, 179 yards passing, 44 yards rushing.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you did something good.

Speaker 14 Hey, what I told you before the season started?

Speaker 14 Before the season started, what team did I have high praise for in the watch out for?

Speaker 13 Carolina Bears.

Speaker 14 Bingo, that was it. Yeah.
I told y'all.

Speaker 14 I told you, like you said, there's always a team that comes out of nowhere that surprises us.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 14 Told you, I told you, I told you, but I told you what Carolina was going to do now. Now, I know they beat my team.

Speaker 13 Yeah, they did beat the brakes off them. Hold on, but we watch y'all 17.

Speaker 14 Hey, listen, we're missing the key ingredient. We're missing the key component to our offense.
A game changer.

Speaker 13 We missed it. He ain't coming back.
So, get y'all. They was getting beat with him in the lineup.

Speaker 13 Ain't that what you just told me?

Speaker 14 Hold on.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 CJ was 23 of 27, 244, four touchdowns, zero interceptions. Davis Mills comes in, two of four, 23 yards.
So as a team, they was 25 of 31, 250, four touchdowns. Like I said, CJ looked very good today.

Speaker 13 He's very comfortable.

Speaker 13 You can't, if,

Speaker 13 I mean, coach, he can't complain. He ain't got nothing to say.
He said, hey, guys, this is the way I expect us to play.

Speaker 13 This is how I expect us to look, regardless of who we play regardless of where we play this is the level is that we should this is the level we should hold ourselves to yeah

Speaker 14 that's the first thing i'm going to say regards to who you play because remember everybody's heard it for the ravens so looking like you look today

Speaker 14 looking like you look today you're supposed to when all the starters aren't out when all the elite players defensively are out not

Speaker 14 against a team that's healthy

Speaker 13 sometimes what have we seen teams do? Play down to the level of competition.

Speaker 14 Competition, yeah.

Speaker 13 They did. All them guys out, you mentioned Lamar being out.
You mentioned those defensive guys being out. Beat hell out of them.

Speaker 13 Because, see, now John Harbor can't go in there and lie to him. Right.
Guys, we were close. All we need to do is stick together.
No, hell no.

Speaker 13 I'm going to beat you so bad, you're going to start to splinter. You're going to start to point fingers.
You're going to start to look at each other, man.

Speaker 13 If he studied like he's supposed to, if, man, I wonder if he giving it there that's the kind of dial that's what i try to sow

Speaker 13 i'm not playing down to the competition if your guys are not in there i'm trying to hang half a hundred on you

Speaker 14 and the funny thing about it is when you have when you when you have injuries right the first thing people do when you have injuries and things aren't going well the first thing they say well we need to change a position coach or we need to make a defensive coordinator when that's not the problem That's never been the problem.

Speaker 14 I don't care who's calling the plays. It's up to those that are on the field to execute whatever it's called.

Speaker 14 That's it. Everybody has an assignment.
Everybody has a job to do.

Speaker 14 When all 11 people are doing their job collectively the right way, winning their individual battles, every down, down one, down two, down three,

Speaker 14 everything will work fine. But sometimes it takes having your starters in there to do it the right way.

Speaker 13 Right.

Speaker 14 When they're out, they back up for a reason, they third string for a reason.

Speaker 13 Boy, we had a Barn Burnover game tonight. The Jaguars, the Jaguars, the Jags showed their merit, their grit.
Being down 14 points, scored 21 unanswered. The Chiefs come back, tied up.
But guess what?

Speaker 13 And they take the lead

Speaker 13 28-24, but the Jags would not be denied. They go down the field.
Big-time catches get a pass interference in the end zone.

Speaker 13 They score and they take a ball game, a close ball game a very entertaining a very great ball game 31 to 28.

Speaker 13 ocho let's go with the jags first trevor lawrence 18 to 25 221 one touchdown but it was his legs tonight it it seems like to me liam cohen said look

Speaker 13 when they come with pressure and they will bring pressure a lot on third down Don't even look, don't even worry about trying to complete a pass down the field. Right.

Speaker 13 Get up out of there. And that's what he did tonight.
I thought they played well. And when the defense needed to make a play, they made a play.
Take off. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know, Spaggs loves to bring pressure to cause confusion to get the quarterback to rush his process, obviously resulting in sacks.

Speaker 14 But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not today, not on my watch.

Speaker 14 He killed him with his legs, obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles. But tonight he used his legs to win.
Travis Hunter, they need to get him involved in offense much more.

Speaker 14 You saw him make a huge play that changed the trajectory of that offensive series, which led to them scoring. Brian Tommy Jr.
played well.

Speaker 14 Travis Atien, I know what he did running the ball, but picking up some of the blitzes that he did to be able to allow

Speaker 14 John Lamar to make some of the throws that he made. Hey, plays like that will keep a running back on the field all three downs.
He played phenomenal football as well.

Speaker 14 Defensively, the Jag played well as well. So, I mean, it was a really good game.
I thought the turnovers would have hurt them because I tweeted it during the game.

Speaker 14 Every time they turned the ball over, the goddamn Chiefs capitalize on it, especially on the goal line where Trevor Lawrence tried to reach over.

Speaker 13 Nick Bolton punched it out.

Speaker 14 He punched it out right away. Listen, defensively, that goddamn interception, that 99 interception by Lloyd.

Speaker 13 Clipped the game. That was nice.

Speaker 13 Well, you have to understand, Ocho, he's following

Speaker 13 Mahomes' eyes. Mahomes

Speaker 13 stared him down you know they tried they tried to run a little arrow rap push up but they ran double arrow because here comes juju first and then i think travis was coming in behind him so they tried to run double arrow but the problem is is that when you look the linebacker who's inside he's going to naturally drift that way and because i mean he hit it right in his bread basket he breaks a tackle he sidesteps mahomes now he's off to the races the guy did a great job of just getting enough of thornton to throw him off his rhythm because thornton was coming.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 he would have caught him. Oh, yeah, for sure.
He would have caught him. But I think you have to give the Jags a lot of credit.

Speaker 13 Being down at home, 14 points to that team, and they were playing extremely well.

Speaker 13 But when they needed to make plays, they made plays at the end.

Speaker 13 Trevor Lawrence played well. You mentioned

Speaker 13 ATN. It was his Blitz pickup.
Yeah, he had 12 carries, 49 yards. He's averaging, what was that?

Speaker 13 Yeah, basically four yards of carry. But

Speaker 13 those Bolton,

Speaker 13 and some of those other guys was coming on a blitz, Chanel Tranquil, he stoned them. I mean, he stoned them.
The offensive line did a very good job of protecting. Look, they had a half a sack.

Speaker 13 Well, they had, what, two sacks, three sacks? Looked like he got sacked three times. He

Speaker 13 got sacked three times. But I thought they did a great job considering the amount of pressure that Spaggs likes to bring.
And you know, when he feels threatened, he's going to bring pressure.

Speaker 13 They knew that too.

Speaker 13 But you look at those throws at the end. Man, he dropped that one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Jr.
right on the sideline. And then

Speaker 13 he found, what's his name? Ojo.

Speaker 13 Was it Washington?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up

Speaker 13 catching the outball. But Trevor Lawrence played as well.
This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay, when you took him number one overall, this is what they expect him to look like.

Speaker 13 And he has moments like this.

Speaker 13 But then he'll come back and he'll stink up the joint. You're like, but, bro, I've seen what you can do.
I know what you can do because I've seen it firsthand.

Speaker 13 What happened?

Speaker 14 Yeah, the problem is, what we saw tonight from Trevor Lawrence, what we saw tonight collectively for the Jaguars, this is not the Jaguars of old. This is a new team.

Speaker 14 What we saw tonight is a different type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they've beaten the Chiefs.
I'm not sure. It's been a very, very long time since 09.

Speaker 14 You know, so normally a team like this, the old Jaguars team, they would have folded.

Speaker 14 They would have folded like lawn chairs, but they continue to fight despite being down, and they fought their way back. I was really impressed, really impressed.

Speaker 14 If we can get this type of quarterback play from Trevor Lawrence consistently, consistently, not just one night, consistently, but they're going to be fine. They're going to be in the hunt.

Speaker 14 They're going to be in contention every single year if he can continue to play like this, but minimize the goddamn turn.

Speaker 13 He had two, two tonight, and

Speaker 13 they were able to survive him. I mean, right there at the goal line, he fumbled that one and he threw a pick when they had a lead.

Speaker 13 So he has to be very, very careful with that. The Jags past four games have been decided by a total of 18 points.
They're three and one in those games, winning three straight.

Speaker 13 The Jags are now four and one with two home games coming up, the Seahawks and the Rams.

Speaker 13 Both of those.

Speaker 13 Both of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football. Both of those teams have receivers that can go get the ball.

Speaker 13 You look at the Rams, you talk about Puka Nakura, you talk about Devontae Adams. They can go get it.
We know Seattle. You see Sam Donald

Speaker 13 with JSN. JSN.
Man, they got guys that can go get the football. So would I be surprised if we see another,

Speaker 13 both of those games end up something like this, Ocho? No, no, I would not. No, I absolutely would not.
But the Jags were very, very impressive tonight. And Doo ball.

Speaker 13 Y'all should stand up because y'all got to make it of a very good team. Liam Cohen has done an unbelievable job guiding Trevor Lawrence.
Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability.

Speaker 13 From the moment he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say this guy in three years would that from that point, when he comes out, he's going to be the number one pick in the draft.

Speaker 13 He led Clemson to a national championship as a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that.

Speaker 13 I think the last time it happened probably was Jamal Holloway, and you had to go way back, way back Oklahoma, back 85 probably. So for him to do that, and then who do they beat?

Speaker 13 They beat Alabama, and we know what Alabama represented. And so, and for him to do that,

Speaker 13 he was very, very impressive. But for whatever reason, the last couple of years i don't know if it was injury now i think the first the first year you know um

Speaker 13 uh urban meyer was his coach and i i don't think that was the best situation he wasn't set up for success in that situation um but now liam cohen and we saw what cohen has done with baker

Speaker 13 Two years, I mean two years with Baker, and you see what Baker has become. Now, Baker is still on that.
He's still rising, even though Liam left. But we saw what he become under Liam Cohen.

Speaker 13 So this offense is very quarterback friendly. They got receivers, they got guys that can go get the ball.
I agree with you right now.

Speaker 13 Until Travis refined the skill, look, OJ, they don't run him really on nothing but spots. They're running on spots, he's shallow cross.

Speaker 13 Hey, five yards, turn around, we throw you the ball, make a guy miss, take off, run the shallow cross. And when they throw the ball down the field, they're allowing him to use his athletic ability.

Speaker 13 Remember to play what, with it, last week, a couple of weeks ago against San Francisco, they threw the dagger, he elevates, catches it. We saw him tonight in between two.

Speaker 13 That's what, so until he refines his route running ability, this is what you're going to have to do.

Speaker 13 Try to find ways to create, get him in space, and let him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the route tree. Because these guys that play DB, they really good.

Speaker 14 They're very good. Very good.
But I think Travis Hunter is one of those. He has such raw talent.

Speaker 14 He's so good, especially with his ball skills, whether it's on the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on the offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 14 If you can just get the ball in the vicinity, if you can just get in the area so he can make a play on it, he coming down with that ball nine times out of ten.

Speaker 13 And on the Chiefs, I thought Patrick Mahomes, look, he played well tonight, 29 of 41, 318, one touchdown, the very costly interception that led to a 90.

Speaker 13 The one thing that you don't want to have happen, you don't want to give up points on your possession. So in other words, you don't want to have a scooping score.

Speaker 13 You don't want to have a pick six because now, you know what I'm saying? That's not what you're built to do. Your defense is not on the field.
We understand

Speaker 13 defensively, they're going to score. Look, these teams are really good.
So for you to shut a a team out, it's probably not going to happen.

Speaker 13 But the last thing we want to do is give up points while our offense is on the field. Because our defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to stop them.

Speaker 13 Patrick Mahomes led him with Russian. He was six of 60.
Kareem Hunt had seven for 49. Isaiah Petcheco, he had seven for 36.
22 for 158, three touchdowns. And you see the way they came out.
They threw.

Speaker 13 to set up the run. If you look at the first the first series, the first couple of series, what they're doing? Getting the ball out of his hands quick.
Guys were making plays. Quick, quick game.

Speaker 14 Quick game.

Speaker 13 But remember, I said this.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 When you don't have a rapport with your quarterback,

Speaker 13 if Hollywood Brown had a rapport with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, hit him on the shoulder with the ball.
He still doesn't know what that is.

Speaker 13 The safety is flat-footed. He catches this ball, Ocho.
He's coming at the backside.

Speaker 13 Hold me talking about

Speaker 13 at the end of the game. Oh, yeah.
Oh, Joe, oh Joe. But you see,

Speaker 13 there are some guys you were

Speaker 13 imaginative. You had up like, damn, ain't nobody here.
Let me look for this ball.

Speaker 13 He's running the route that they call oblivious. Yeah, that is

Speaker 13 right.

Speaker 14 To the situation.

Speaker 14 You got to understand the situation.

Speaker 13 Travis Kelsey. You remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo? He got wide.

Speaker 13 Patrick Mahomes put the ball on him. They got in field goal range.
Range. Hollywood.
All you got to do, you see everybody's off. Oh, Oh, Joe, the backside safety is flat-footed.
He catches this ball.

Speaker 13 That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out the backside.
That's a touchdown. He's coming out.

Speaker 14 Yeah, he could go now.

Speaker 13 Let's go.

Speaker 14 He can go.

Speaker 14 If anything, because the entire defense was back, he can come out the backside. If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're still in field goal range.
You get down, call the timeout.

Speaker 13 If you go back and look at this, if you tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is Ocho, because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat-footed.

Speaker 13 That means Hollywood Brown is going to catch this ball with a running start.

Speaker 13 Yeah. He gone.

Speaker 13 Ain't no way no safety that's flat-footed is going to turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 we talked about this the other day. Remember that I think it was the first game.
He tried to do that with a receiver, but he doesn't have the rapport. Now that's Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 13 Ocho, we have a whole different conversation because they have a rapport. They have an understanding with each other.
Understanding.

Speaker 13 But Mahomes is going to have to get with his guys and say, look, guys, I understand what's called. But if that guy's off you, look for the ball.

Speaker 14 And obviously, it's all situations.

Speaker 14 You understand. Obviously, whatever route is called, normally,

Speaker 14 if we're in a regular game, then yes, the route that's called, you run to your death. But it's just understanding the situation.
If they're backed up, turn your head around right away.

Speaker 14 Get what you can with the ball. Get what you can.
Understanding there's only a little bit of time on the clock. You don't even have time to get into your food.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 13 See, the thing is, is that I'm not so sure I don't even call fair catch on that, Ocho, on the kickoff, because guess what happens?

Speaker 13 You're not going to run it back, and there's a greater chance of you getting a holding call or a block in the back call than you running it back.

Speaker 13 So now instead of starting at the 25, guess where you're going to start at? Inside your 20.

Speaker 13 Right. And guess what? Guess what else you did? You ran time off the clock.
Because see, the ball don't don't start. The The clock don't start until you touch the ball.

Speaker 13 Now you run, you take six seconds off the clock. Now it's well, six, seven seconds off the clock.
Now you get a block in the back.

Speaker 13 You took eight seconds off the clock and you're 10, 15 yards back further than what you would have been.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 those are things that you learn. See, those are things that we talk.
I don't know. I look, I can't speak to everybody else, but this is what we talked about in situations like this.

Speaker 13 Look, if the ball's kicked in the end zone,

Speaker 13 leave it in the end zone. We don't run it, run it in time.
Punt return.

Speaker 13 Fair catch. We don't want any time to run off the clock.
We don't want to get an illegal block. Look, we got, they had three timeouts, Ocho.
Three timeouts in 30 seconds. That's an eternity.
Because

Speaker 13 the entire field is in play.

Speaker 13 I can throw the ball over the middle. It's in play.
Call a timeout. Now, I just took seven seconds off the clock.
I got 23. Guess what? Miller field is still in play.

Speaker 13 I take another seven seconds off the clock.

Speaker 13 Guess what? I still got to time out. The field, the entirety of the field is still in play.

Speaker 13 That's things that you got to talk about. Andy's got to do a better job.
Special teams coaches got to do a better job of helping guys understand. Remind them.
Remind them. Hey,

Speaker 13 fair catch this. X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 13 Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Yeah,

Speaker 14 it's all about the coaches letting the players know.

Speaker 14 certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams, if these certain situations come up, even if they might not come up, just so they're aware.

Speaker 14 And obviously coaches have to know in game, what's possible, there's a chance that this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen.
So be aware and understanding.

Speaker 14 This is what you want to do in this situation. Same with Holly Bear Brown on that plate towards the end of the game.
Understanding, hell, they damn near winning previous. They did.

Speaker 14 Get your head around fast. If you can go out the back door, go out the back door.
If you can't get as much as you can, get down, call timeout real fast.

Speaker 14 So we have our opportunity and a chance to run something else.

Speaker 13 But you got to give the Jags credit. They didn't hang their heads.
They fell behind 14-0.

Speaker 13 They get a touchdown late in the second quarter, make it a 14-7 ball game. And then they score 14 more points.
So they scored 21 unanswered points. And then

Speaker 13 we saw what happened at the end of the game. But give those guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played really well.
They showed me something. They showed me something.

Speaker 13 Getting down to this team with this defense and that guy playing quarterback they showed me something i thought the receivers played well today thornton stepped up thornton has been playing extremely well xavier worth it again

Speaker 14 again thornton again with another big play i wish he i wish he could have kept his balance too on that deep ball and and scored and scored that but yeah they played really well both sides of the ball this is i don't I don't know who the hell scheduled these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night or a Monday night or a Thursday night game, they have been phenomenal.

Speaker 14 Phenomenal game.

Speaker 14 If you blink, you might miss something. That's how good the games have been so far through weekends.
You're right.

Speaker 13 But the thing I don't understand is next week, we got a double header. We don't need two games on Monday night.

Speaker 13 I mean, how much money do y'all want? But they're on the same network.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Hold on, hold on. Who we got? Who we got?

Speaker 13 We got the Bears and the Commanders and Buffalo playing somebody.

Speaker 13 The Falcons. Oh, Joe, we don't need two games on a Monday night.

Speaker 14 And I can tell you what game everybody's going to be tuned into, unless you're a Buffalo fan, unless you're a Falcons fan. Everybody's going to be watching the Bears.

Speaker 13 Of course.

Speaker 14 Everybody's going to be watching the Bears of Command. So I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that.

Speaker 14 Obviously, you understand what the bottom line is at the end of the day on why there's a double header on a Monday. But listen, they're trying to double dip, huh? They're trying to double dip.

Speaker 14 If you understand the business, they're just trying to double dip.

Speaker 13 Oh, that'll be like bringing, putting friends and everybody love Raymond on the same

Speaker 13 sister networks. Why the hell you do that?

Speaker 13 Come on, bro. You're right.
Come on, NFL. It's unnecessary.
I get Sunday. I get Sunday, all these games, but

Speaker 13 on a singular night, on your one game, we need what. But you guess what? Pretty soon, they're going to have two games on Thursday.
Watch. Yeah.
Watch. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Because you have to understand, too, you got to look at it from a

Speaker 14 business standpoint. You got to look at it from their standpoint.
You know what their bottom line is.

Speaker 13 We're trying to maximize as much as we can in the 17-game season, plus the playoffs plus super bowl so how can we double the profit by having two games and what they're gonna do they're gonna add another playoff game in the next three to five years they'll have another playoff game so instead of seven there'll be eight and you know that 18 game coming and what they're trying to do also is trying to have everybody play one game overseas now good luck getting the cowboys to give up a home game now everybody else is gonna be more than willing to give up a home game yeah convince jerry to give up one of his home games it ain't happening

Speaker 13 it ain't happening because if you give up a home game that's taking away money i mean i get i get jacksonville i get cleveland i get some of these teams but right

Speaker 13 let everybody let everybody you know we try to we try to grow i i don't know if football american football will ever be what soccer is or ever be what basketball is no because nobody grows up wanting to be like randy moss or wanting to be like jerry rice or patrick mahomes if you in sloven if you in Europe.

Speaker 14 But listen,

Speaker 14 I understand what you're saying. Even we will never, I don't think any sport will ever touch that of soccer, that of the beautiful game.
Obviously,

Speaker 14 basketball is another sport that many of them choose to play or want to be like certain individuals. But

Speaker 14 the game of football, as great as it is, continuing to grow globally on the other side of the world is a good thing for all.

Speaker 14 It's a good thing for all because obviously not only do we get to to to expand from an economic standpoint it's good for for other players their brand and being able to do things not just here in the states but being able to do things outside of the states as well so in in a sense long term it's a great thing it's a great thing but we would they would never ever be able to be what be what soccer is that's because

Speaker 13 europeans they play it they can play soccer i can become pro what's the like look africa and the continent of africa you have nigeria you have teams they they can play foot uh uh football yeah

Speaker 13 how many guys

Speaker 13 from europe go like you know what

Speaker 13 yeah that football thing i'm gonna be back through my homes i'm gonna be tom brady

Speaker 13 hey

Speaker 14 it'd be very difficult you you have to understand too everybody in europe everybody plays soccer yes the chances of you playing at the highest level the epl city

Speaker 14 la liga I mean, French League,

Speaker 14 only so many. It's only so many spots.
And everybody does it. So like, just think about this.

Speaker 14 I know you don't watch soccer much, but when you hear the conversations of the comparison between Cristiano and Messi, I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these dudes are because everybody played this sport and the comparison of who the best is of a certain era or a certain generation.

Speaker 14 Like that's the cream of the crop. And then there's everybody.

Speaker 13 And we're going to be the place you come to for the World Cup.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah, but you gotta think about it, Ocho. In soccer,

Speaker 13 uh, Messi left home.

Speaker 13 Uh, you think about Ronaldo, he left home, Hoblin probably left home, Lewandowski probably left home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's a difference, but man, this game tonight,

Speaker 13 this game tonight, we've we've been getting some very, very good games thus far. I know it's early, Ocho,

Speaker 13 it's like week eight, week nine. They'd be like, damn

Speaker 13 y'all couldn't um

Speaker 13 y'all couldn't uh flex up out of this one

Speaker 13 i i don't i don't think they can flex i think they can only i think sunday night is the game but i think they're start they're starting to allow them to flex out earlier because you know ain't nobody trying to look i understand that they might be this it might be that but ain't nobody trying in week 10 trying to see a two team a two-win team on no sunday night right or no monday night or no thursday well thursday you stuck

Speaker 13 because every everybody has to. Everybody has to play, you know, at least one Thursday night game.

Speaker 14 Right. Right.

Speaker 13 Huh?

Speaker 14 Damn, man.

Speaker 13 Out of Monday night?

Speaker 13 Sunday night. Okay.
Yeah. Oh, they play.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 13 And that's the thing. They were like, hey, Fox and CBS be like, man, we got a, oh, well, we got a barn burner.
He'd be saying, nah, let me get that one.

Speaker 14 Hey, hey, speaking of speaking of barn burners,

Speaker 14 Ash Ash, who is the London game this Sunday? The Broncos.

Speaker 14 Who they playing?

Speaker 13 The Jets, right?

Speaker 14 Yeah,

Speaker 14 I'd be at that game. I'd be at the game.
Matter of fact, what I'm going to do is I'm going to go down on the field.

Speaker 13 Ain't going to change.

Speaker 14 Can I tell you who's going to win?

Speaker 13 Broncos. The Jets.
You hoping.