Best of NFL News Part 1: Rico Dowdle talks REVENGE game vs Cowboys, Titans FIRED Head Coach 6 games into the season!

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We got a very special guest joining us.

He had a monster game the week before.

He told his former team, y'all buckle up.

Buckle up.

Buckle up.

And lo and behold, he came and gave him that work.

186 yards.

I think he had over 230 yards.

I think he had like 230 of a total offense with receiving and running the football.

Rico Doddle joins us.

Rico, how you doing, bro?

Great, man.

Can't complain.

How you doing?

I'm doing amazing.

I'm doing amazing, bro.

Hey,

all is well, RD.

Before Uncle Stars, my first question.

My first question to you, would you come into the game like that?

Obviously, saying what you had to say, giving the team bulletin board material before the game even started.

Did you have a chip on your shoulder?

Did you have a chip on your shoulder going to that game?

Oh, yeah, for sure.

You know, that was one of those games I had circle early on in the season, but I think I always played chip on my shoulder since coming into the league.

So so it's a chip on my shoulder when I step out there.

okay no go ahead go ahead i was surprised because you said this they know it look you were there so they know what type of person you are they know what type of running back you are do you think they underestimated you they're like man there's rico just doing talking man rico ain't gonna do none of that on us what i mean because obviously you said it i mean you just came off a monster performance the week before and you called them out you said hey buckle up yeah i probably they probably underestimated me a little bit because they know like you said they know I talked to him, like, and I'm going to talk a little bit.

He actually told me that before the game, Sam, I talked to Sam before the game.

He was like, Yeah, man, I told him.

Sam Williams was a regular library.

He was like, I told him that's just you.

You're going to talk.

I don't know what the chatter was in the locker room, but I don't think they relayed the message to the four people.

I don't think they did it for sure.

Yeah, hey, I think, obviously, RD,

I've been high on the Carolina Panthers for a very long time.

Obviously, before the season started, I continuously said it over and over and over.

For those in the chat that are watching, I'm not sure if you heard it in general.

I was very high on them.

And I said they were one of the two teams to watch this year.

And I said they would surprise everybody.

You guys are playing extremely well.

And after last week's game, what is it that you guys need to continue to build on to make sure everything continues to go in the right direction?

Headed towards the end.

Yeah, I say just really playing

complimentary football, all three phases, offense, defense, specialties.

I think that's one of the main things.

As long as we do that, I think we'll be fine.

Not hurting ourselves how we did early in games, having to dig out of the hole early.

No, if it was penalties, turnovers, and things like that.

So I think if we do that and just continue to do that and be able to execute, keep executing at a high level, I think we'll be fine.

Okay.

How disappointed were you?

You came in, you run for over a thousand yards, and you're like, man, I had a good season.

Oh, okay.

I'm young.

I ain't got a whole lot of mileage on me.

I know they're going to break your boy off.

I'm going to be able to stay here.

I'm settled here.

I like it here.

They know what they got with me.

I know what I have with them.

And then come free agency.

And I don't know if they called you.

I don't know if they low-balled you.

Walk us through.

Your thought process after the season ends.

You have your exit meeting with your running back coach, maybe the head coach, the general manager.

Walk us through the steps up until you made the decision you're going to Carolina.

Yeah, so they they um they never made an offer at all, um, in free agency.

Yeah, they never made an offer at all.

Um, so just going through when we got out, my agent, we obviously thought we would get something here back from, but they just the kind of team they like, go test the market, let us know what you hear, and then come back and let us know, and we'll see if we can do something with it.

So, it was that kind of situation.

They told me to go out, they're gonna let me test the market.

And um,

so I didn't take uh liking of that because I thought maybe what I've been through there in my five years and what I was able to do once I was given the opportunity to run the ball, what I was able to do, I thought maybe they would have an offer.

But, you know, they didn't and it worked out for me in this way.

And I'm getting the show now.

So happy where I'm at now.

With them telling you to go test the market and they'll see, that probably kind of left you feeling some type of way.

Like, nah, bro, if I, it's like, bro, and you tell your girl, you go test the market.

If you find somebody out there you like, if somebody likes you out there, I might come back and take you up.

But if not, you know,

you're welcome to go.

No, bro, you set me free.

I'm good.

Yeah, it definitely don't work like that.

But yeah, it definitely

left.

Uh, I wouldn't necessarily say I was just too disappointed because I know the nature of the business and how they operated.

I mean, I was a free agent the year before, and they pretty much told me the same thing, but I ended up signing back there.

So, um, yeah, I just know the nature of the business.

So, I couldn't take uh harp on it too much.

Just know I had to look for the next best opportunity for me and where I can go make an impact.

You look at the situation, Dave Canalis, your head coach, he was very non-committal.

Chuba Hubbard is coming back.

You rush for 389 yards in

the past two ball games, 473 yards of total offense.

And

he was like, they asked him Sunday after the game, he's like, hey, Rico's playing extremely well.

We're definitely going to have a package, but he didn't say who's going to start.

When that first offense runs out there on the field, is Rico running out there with the field?

Well, no, we'll see Sunday when the when the game comes coach and he ain't really uh put too much into it but he's just saying we'll see when the game comes we're gonna go through this week and then when the game comes sunday we'll see

and you know and honestly honestly that's not a bad thing when you think about it obviously i know you want to you want to be the starter you want to be the one to get the bulk of the carries but when you have a two-headed monster like you and hubbard back there like that it opens up everything else man because of what you did last week you don't you don't you you don't understand i mean as a player i think you might get it but as a as a fan of the game and watching and understanding that and played it, but what you just did last week, it makes it that much easier for whoever's calling the plays, whether it's Dave or whether it's the offensive coordinator, you made Bryce Young's job easier.

You made every receiver, T-Mac and Legged and 100, you made all their jobs easier.

Because now when you play, oh, well, goddamn already in the game, safety.

Man, come on down in that box, please.

Every time.

Every time you in the game, the defense is checking to something different because you are the one threat offensively that you got to worry about.

Yeah, for sure.

I definitely follow what you're saying there.

That's one thing that's going to, I think, is going to help.

It's fan the whole offense play action.

They got to respect the run.

I think it's going to open up your pass for sure.

Oh, yeah.

So

what if Coach Canalis, the head coach, what is your running back coach told you, okay, you know Hubbard is going down.

This is your opportunity.

Because, you know, you split in carries and, you know, he get hot and you might not get the amount of carries because running back, I mean, most skill position is is all about rhythm.

And it's hard to get a rhythm.

You get one carry, you get a carry the first drive, and then you might not get another carry to the third drive.

And then you might have five carries in the first half and only get two.

So now with you being the big-time running back, the full-time running back, now you're able to get into a rhythm.

What has coach told you to say, okay, just make sure you stay, keep your head in the game, make sure you stay ready.

Is that some of the things that your coach and your position coach have relayed to you?

Yeah, so yeah.

Going into it, I only talked to my running back coach about it.

He is like, Okay, just kill your ops, you know, when you, when the opportunity, the opportunity has presented itself to go out there and show what I can do.

Just make sure I make the most of it.

And I think I was able to do that.

Absolutely.

One-year deal.

So, would you like to remain with Carolina long-term, or are you like, look, I'm going to take it one year at a time.

I'm going to go out here and play my absolute best this year, and then I'm going to let the chips fall where they may.

It ain't nothing promised.

The only thing I can promise you, I'm going to give you everything I got, every down.

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

So exactly.

That's all I'm going to say on that.

Just go out there, take it this year, and then see how it goes.

Just got to be productive.

I know it's a production-based business.

So as long as I'm productive, the rest is taking care of it.

So

do you look back?

Do you are like.

Yeah, that's good.

Y'all should have kept me.

Will you look up at your former team and you see them struggling and you're like, yeah,

that's what you get.

I mean, because I understand that you have friends over there.

I mean, you still, you was there for five years.

So you have built relationships, but it's not like

I want y'all to have success.

Yeah, no, I don't really look at it like that.

Like you said, a lot of those guys are my friends.

I ain't really rooting for that, rooting for that downfall.

And

the dude they got over there, Javante, he's been having a pretty good season, too.

So,

yeah, he lost a house.

He had a pretty good season, too.

But yeah, I'm not really, I wouldn't really be rooting on that downfall.

I want him to win and things like that.

All my friends there, but I just wanted to beat him when we played him.

Help me out with this.

You had an injury, your career in South Carolina, you had a lot of injuries.

How are you able to stay healthy?

Because normally if you limp into the NFL, you're going to limp out of it.

You had injuries in college, but for some reason,

you've been able to stay healthy in the league.

Yeah, I think that was one of my biggest things coming out of college injuries, just not being able to stay healthy.

But thankfully, I never had no injury where it was.

I think longer than like 10 weeks recovery.

That was my longest injury.

But yeah, in college, just had a bunch of nicks and naps.

I broke my fibula and tore my hamstring, had four knee surgeries, sports hand.

God damn, goddamn.

You ain't tell me about you, ain't had nothing to keep you out of 10 weeks.

I broke a fibula.

Yeah, the longest one was 10.

I broke my fibula like week five, my sophomore year of college played in the ball game.

But yeah, that was like my worst one, I think, in college.

So, but I'm like eight surgeries deep, though.

But this thing helped me.

Yeah, eight surgeries deep.

Did you think, like, damn, I got bluzzard?

Look, I can't catch a breath.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Like, why why i keep happening i don't know what i'm doing wrong i don't know why i keep happening but uh yeah since just getting in the nfl i think those first couple years just sitting out um taking a brand time my body and figuring my body out really that's what allowed for me to stay healthy not just figuring out what worked best for me dropped my weight i played at like 225 in college i played like 210 215 now game day so just figuring out what worked best for me

hey eating on that college training table hey does it ever be in the back of your mind when you're playing?

Like trying to be cautious and a little hesitant based on what you want to do?

Or you just, you freewheel, don't even care about the past injuries and you just go out there and just go out there and play.

I'm trying to bring the punishment.

I don't really think about that at all.

Yeah, I don't think about it at all.

Look, you went to the game.

Let me ask you a question.

Who are

your top five running backs at USC all time?

Game cocks?

Top five all time?

No, you're going to have to put Marcus Lattimore up there for sure.

Oh, yeah, okay, Marcus,

you got Deuce Staley,

okay.

Uh,

who else?

I don't really know.

Well, George Rogers gotta be first, yeah.

I don't know how George Rogers got left, I don't know how

George Rogers,

and then you got uh

22.

What was number 22?

I don't remember, I don't remember our own name.

I don't

Harold Green.

I don't think

that was before your time.

George graduated.

George graduated in 80, graduated left in 80.

Oh, yeah.

Way before me.

I was born in 98.

Hey, man, Rico, man, continued success, man.

Congratulations on a great start to a new year, a new year, a new team.

You've been playing unbelievable keep up the great work stay prayed up stay positive yeah good things have happened down the road and when you make the pro bowl this year as one of those uh nfc running backs yeah come back and tell us how you're doing

hey hey hey hey do me a small favor y'all y'all gotta practice all right

man tell the receivers man all together at the same time telling boys i'm betting the house on him this weekend i'm gonna make sure i relate Yeah, letting the boys know.

Telling boys I said, keep pounding, bitch.

I'm gonna let them know for sure.

All right, love.

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All right, man.

Now it's time to welcome a former Pro Bowler,

Defensive Rookie of the Year.

I think he won that award.

And he is a Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl,

Devin White, Las Vegas Raiders.

Deb, what's going on, man?

Deb, you can't hear us.

He muted right now.

What's good?

What's good?

Can you hear me?

Yeah, that's what's up.

Hey,

hey, man, thanks for coming on with us.

Oh, for sure, man.

Pleasure, man.

Appreciate you.

Yeah, what's up?

What's up, baby?

What's good?

Man, just cooling, man.

Just cooling.

Hey, let me tell you something.

I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk with Unc, right?

And then there's a certain player.

I love what y'all have on offense, right?

But I mean no disrespect to them boys.

But we would just talk about next year, right?

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Tell me that doesn't fit.

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stay with me real quick.

You see how Mac Crosby, being a Raider, it just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents.

What you think about George Pickens over there?

He definitely got that charisma.

See, I told you, bro.

I know what I'm talking about, man.

Okay,

we can get back.

We can get back to business.

That's it.

Dale, you got to help me understand this.

With all the early success that you had at Tampa, Pro Bowl, all-pros, rookie of the year, year,

win the Super Bowl.

I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derry Brooks.

You fit the Ronde Barber.

You fit the John Lynch.

You fit the Warren Saps.

A physical football player.

Tampa known for defense.

They're physical.

Leroy Selma, rest his soul.

Physical defensive player.

Why?

And then, and then I know you heard.

If you didn't hear it, somebody sent you what Jason Light said.

Had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even, I wouldn't have taken it.

What went wrong?

How, why why and how weren't you able to finish your career in tampa

um

i think um

personally i think they just weren't ready to you know give up that bad you know obviously obviously they knew it was time after my fourth year you know everybody knew the numbers i put up the accolades i had right and i wasn't trying to be selfish but i was just i wanted what was due you know i felt like i did everything right there from on the field to off the field in the community being a team captain every year and when i asked to to get me you know i got looked at crazy you know and i just and i don't know why you know nowadays players getting paid after three years they're going to first round and i had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what when i already had you know even with levante david dog on the team i led the team and i led the team in tackles you know i got turnovers and you know made big plays and then obviously like you said for him to come out and say what he said man we hosted a super bowl trophy together so none of that matters you know well he knows he'll do it again because i helped him you know obviously you know on that run that we made you know i feel like i was a key part of that you know no cock you were if you look at the numbers and the stats like oh i missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player and i missed one game i missed the washington game go look it up and on the next three games i was double digit tackles every game and you know getting it in for real Yeah, and you know what, you know what, too, and

LD, this is one of the things I don't like about it, don't like about the business side of things.

Even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field, when it comes, when it's time to get paid, when it's time to get paid, they always look at you funny.

They look at everybody funny, even those that have the numbers, even those that have the stats.

And it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time, every year.

It's the same thing.

You always have to fight tooth and nail for your value.

You always got to fight tooth and nail for what you're worth, despite putting up the numbers.

They're going to find something.

They're going to put something in your contract.

They're going to talk to your agent crazy.

I don't know.

I hate that side of the business.

But listen, I'm glad you got what you deserve.

And you're doing your thing.

How disappointed were you?

Because like you said, you hoisted a Lombardi trophy in your building.

Together,

the ups and the downs.

And you had some setbacks.

And you accomplished all these things.

And I'm sure because when we had you on my own show, you talked about, hey, i'm gonna be alive for you know like sam and i see brooks and when they come around and i see their names up in the stadium that's what i want for that's what i want for d white yeah i think um i was very disappointed just you know uh like i said i'm always piggyback off the monte you know he do everything right that's my big brother like to this day and i thought i was coming in to like take over the role and be the next great one after him obviously he still ain't slowing down he's still going

and bro we we both made all protein together we was always in the top 100 together and led the team in Tackles together.

And I just thought I was going to just be his successor.

But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I wanted to be.

But that also made my hurt hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't hatch yet in Tampa.

And I was dialed in.

Like,

I still got a place there.

And I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home.

That's going to be my home.

Yeah.

And when that don't happen like that, man, that hurt.

That hurt a lot, but I mean, it is what it is.

When you found out, Tom Brady, because they're all of a sudden there started to be speculation, Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

You like, hold on, Tom Brady that was in New England, Tom Brady?

You're talking about the guy that's won six Super Bowls and been to nine, that's been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades.

He might be coming to Tampa?

Hold up, man.

Stop playing.

Y'all, for real, Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa.

Because if you look at it, you guys had an outstanding season.

Jameis had through for 5,000 yards, but it's hard for a defense to overcome 30-plus turnovers from one player.

And I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man, if, man,

Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense,

boy, it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us.

Yeah, I mean, we knew.

um getting him that we could be really good you know just him just being in complete control of the offense you know the turnovers did help.

You know, James did a lot of great things, salute to him, you know.

But we was the number one run defense of team in the NFL my rookie year.

You know, we was kind of hit or miss in the past.

You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch.

So we just knew we was just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it.

And then obviously, you know, him coming there brings a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion.

You know, that's another thing.

When you get a person like him in the building, your play levels just go up times 20.

Got you.

You know what I'm saying?

Because you want to meet his standard you know he got a certain standard about himself you know being on the team being in the building and you know you just kind of want to be all in then obviously we had got some key guys you know we got his tight end you know we had got a great receiver out of florida you know that uh end up helping you know we had a couple d linemen come in to uh really kind of put our defense solidify our defense and and we was rocking out you know we had a lot of young guys on defense too but you know that's part of it you know uh people just getting thrown in the fine just and accepting a role and going to go get it What were your practices like?

Were they challenging?

Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y'all?

You guys, because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady and you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, AB, you got Gronk.

You know, hey, you don't want to get blitzed.

Hey, y'all ain't finna do that.

What y'all been doing to them?

Y'all ain't finna do that to us.

And then like, well, what y'all did to that team?

Y'all not finna do that to us.

And so y'all just going back and forth.

And so you're raising each other's level.

I think the best part about it was it was two things I say.

The secondary wanted to get a pick off Brady.

Like,

we knew you couldn't pick him in the game, so you wanted to try to get it in and practice.

And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise harder than ever because he had seen so many looks in his life.

So that would have made our defense even better.

We were able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks.

And I think that helped us like, you know, on the back end of the season, because we just had got so much better.

We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you got to trick him some way because he done seen it.

And I think, and I think that helped.

Like, even I remember in the um in the playoff in the um the go-to-the championship, we was playing Aaron Rodgers, we was playing trap coverage where the linebackers running out on cover and holding the number two receivers.

I'm running with Bunte on our routes and stuff, and we sending you know boundary pressures, and you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping, you don't know who's going.

Right.

And that's one thing I credit to Todd Bowles: he never stayed the same week in and week out.

He always added into that playbook adding to that playbook

you're in you go to philly philly don't work out i was like man you know he'd be good in philly i mean why big why

okay well tell us why now i don't know though truthfully you know i feel like i uh i feel like i went there with a fresh mind you know i was around a bunch of guys that i you know that was in my high school class that i already knew and i went there to you know just go you know just go get it back on track you know coming off that foot injury my fifth year went to all the otas that was new for me you know being in tampa with an older team we didn't really do many otas you know my second year was covered third year fourth year we had you know tom brady he didn't he wasn't you know he did his own thing so we did our own thing on defense so i was pretty much locked in you know i i started every game i mean started every practice of um camp otas i was there and you know after the second game i mean second preseason game you know they called me up you know coach vic you know he said um we're gonna go with the kobe and hey i hey y'all do what y'all got to do You know, I said, I asked him what did I do to, you know, keep this job that I done had all spring.

He said, it's just the decision we're going with.

And I respected it.

You know, hats off to Zach and Nakobe, still my guys.

I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had.

You know, they was playing New Orleans.

I was familiar with them.

And I was just being a pro about the situation.

That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation.

It just wasn't the fit.

You know, I wasn't who they wanted.

And respectfully, you know, we moved on and it is what it is.

You know, I don't dwell on it.

You know, I still got incentives off that Super Bowl run.

So God is good.

God is good.

You know, I was on the team for four weeks.

You know, right.

Yeah.

It's been a rough start for you and for the team in Vegas.

You got Jamal Adams, who moved from safety.

He was a safety.

Now he's a linebacker.

Defensive, you got Max Crosby.

Everybody knows what Max brings to the table.

So tell me, what's the transition been like for you

from Tampa to Philly?

Now you're here in Raiders.

And you know the Raiders.

You know, Al, I know they got a lot of slogans.

His famous thing is the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.

I think the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to.

You know, I always been assimilated pressure type of guy from Dave Arounder in college to Ty Bowes in the NFL and just coming to this new.

uh scheme and just kind of you know being a little more zony you know uh it's been different for for me and um you know i started off playing mike you know mike and will i was rotating the first couple weeks because we we were trying to get different guys on the field you know we had jermaine pratt uh i rob jamal and myself so i was the guy that was going from mike uh mike in sub and i was playing will in base and then i was a dime linebacker so right that uh stuff ended up then working out with my guy pratt you know he went um to the coach with his old defensive coordinator from since he and now i'm back at will and that's why i roam and my my first game at straight wheel this past week.

Runs got a power.

I was able to go get it, you know.

So that's a good thing, you know.

Hey, stuff happened how it happened, but you know, you just always find the good in it.

But at the end of the day, man, I think

we can hit a stride.

You know, we're starting to find out our identity, you know, who we are.

Because you got Coach Pete and you got Coach PG.

They clashing together, two good.

defensive-minded guys, you know, trying to find their identity.

And I think that's what's going on.

So I'm excited.

The thing that I was always impressed with you,

Dev, is that your ability to close, the suddenness.

I mean, when you like, when they, when they bring you on pressure, you, I mean, you get, you arrive in a hurry and you're arriving with bad intentions.

I mean, when you, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player.

So what is your mindset when it's like you said, they sent you on a blitz and you're like, I'm a pressure, I'm a pressure, Mike, I'm a pressure, Will, I'm a pressure, Mike Backer.

Yeah.

Because Todd blitzed you a lot because He knows he's gonna get you on the line on a running back.

I'm gonna win his ass over.

I'm gonna win.

I'm gonna win.

Now, I think that's the thing.

You know, just growing up, when I'm from a small town, I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with

all my coaches there.

They all played the game.

That was the first time.

So I was able to just add more tools to my bag.

And I think that was one of the things.

They was like, bro, you got speed and you just got an ability, a knack for the ball.

you know how to go get it and man i i took pride on it i was like well look i'm gonna focus on this because turnovers win games you know so obviously with him blitz me it's like hey go get the ball don't just go get a sack go get the ball and then uh obviously when i'm in coverage you know that's that's the main thing too but you know just far as just being a guy who can go get uh sacks you know i i think i done that well since my you know since i entered the league into the nfl i think i got the most off-ball sacks as a linebacker with like 24 25.

so and that's missing a year of ball last year so man look hey i just hey i can go get it and i take pride in it you know when i went to go uh sack cam ward i was thinking ball the whole time it's like you know you you get a sack but a sack fumble better way better exactly

it's you're not it's just not good enough to get the quarterback down let me see if i can get this ball while i'm at it

what has it been like the difference obviously living in tampa you know for a while as opposed to being in vegas you like vegas better

um nah i ain't gonna say i like vegas the dryness but i think tampa you know i'm a country boy so you know just being in tampa it was a city feel but it but it wasn't too big you know the life wasn't too big it was still felt homey to me and obviously being there five six years i can drive around tampa with no gps you know just being there so long yeah so i think i think that that's still having settled in you know and and uh just being out here i'm still new still learning but i mean it's nice out here the biggest thing from both cities no state income tax that's a blessing right there yeah

yeah see that your month of your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else right trying to tell you so now to get your extra horse because we know you love horses i love horses but you can't bring them out here but the weather out here it's dry it's too hot it's too hot it's too hot for me to drive yeah uh

you got uh if i'm not mistaken i think you got american saddle horses american standard bread standard bread okay standard bread so you got working horses Yeah, obviously you can race them on the track.

You can do a lot of pleasure riding with them.

I do both, and I tapped into this Amish world.

I'm with the Amish community.

They do a lot of buggy horses with these standard breads.

So they're not just one-dimensional.

Yeah, you got to know people.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

Buggy?

What the hell you?

Hey, wherever it's good at, that's what I'm trying to be.

Just know that.

The Amish people, they don't go by Richard Miller's and phones and all that.

They spend their green on horses.

So I'm trying to be a part of that culture too.

Okay.

But they eat.

Bad horses eat you out of house and home.

Yeah, they eat.

Sweet feed, hey?

Yeah, check them out.

Sweet feed.

I can tell us.

Nah, but the homish community, you know, they take pride on horses.

Horses are their cars.

So, you know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new Porsche, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church and to the stores and, you know, whatever function they have and to the family houses.

So I done got here real big with a bunch of Ombuds communities and I'm making my mark over there.

So that's

where's the armistice community at?

They got an armistice community in Louisiana or Tampa?

No, no, no.

I'm in Illinois.

Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

Yeah, states like that.

They up there.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I ain't know you riding horses, boy.

Oh, yeah, I'm like that.

I'm like that.

I rode a horse across Raymond James after we won the Super Bowl.

Real?

Okay.

For sure.

Pete.

I be riding.

I be riding too, nah.

Nah, nah.

You going to Mexico and ride when you just, you Cadillac and I'm doing that.

no no no no i i ride for real okay we're gonna tap you

we going we going 30 mile per hour not even moving in the seat that's type of riding we doing that ain't but i but like well you might want to google me man

i ride hey i ride horses i ride pbr bulls i ride for real

yeah he do a little something he'd do a little something

but you got to tell the the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the store horses because you you were dealing with something you went through something in your life and horses helped you helped you deal with that yeah for sure just being in a small town where i come from you know growing up man it ain't really much to do around there a lot of people that's what a lot of people do you know but uh growing up i ended up losing my brother at a young age i want to say i was like eight or nine years old and that's just what i used to cope with you know you could be at the barn you know you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff man so i think that horses has always been a good coping uh factor for me and then now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy it.

You know, my son enjoy it.

And man, we kind of make a hobby out of it.

You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi.

I guess on the south, the south end of the world.

And we go

and we have fun, man.

We do it for pleasure.

But at the end of the day, man, we out there enjoying ourselves.

So horses have been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it.

And more guys in the league

starting to get to it.

My guy Ed Oliver do it.

Xavier Legette, he owned it.

Um, Zamir White that played with the Raiders, he owned it.

And you know, uh, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids, but also he done got into these horses too.

He down there in Miami, but he's from Houston.

But he got all his horses in Miami, and I sold him some horses.

So that just lets you know, like, hey, it's getting real around.

Hey, hey, wait, what?

Hey, what's the what's the number on them horses?

What are we talking about?

Just depend, man.

We'll get you some

about 20 grand, you know, a little something.

Okay, okay, that's that.

That's that's just yeah, but you go ahead and tell them the other part about how much the mofos eat.

Yeah, now they eat a lot, though.

Then, in Miami, you know, y'all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed, right?

Y'all got to get it shipped in, you know, like we do in the south.

We grow it, you know what I'm saying?

So, it'll be a little more expensive, but it's worth it, though.

You know, when you when you've got something that brings you piece, money don't matter.

Yeah, you're right about that.

My daughter, man, I don't, I don't know where it came from.

Obviously, you

in the city, the fact that she loves horses so much.

hey but we got to show you about these standard breads though bro it's way smoother you know you can you can ride at a higher speed right you know you can break it down and slow i'm gonna send you some videos you're gonna be very okay you're gonna be very pleased with the work you know a lot of people don't know about standard breads because it's a they they do a lot you can do jumping with them but you also can teach them what we do is single foot you know speed speed ragging single foot i'm gonna teach you about that yeah yeah okay yeah yeah i'm gonna put you on you know i'm like a new client see what i'm saying you uh you got a um so how many horses do you own now?

About 60, something.

60, but I'm in the business, though.

I'm in the business.

I'm running the business.

Okay, okay.

Oh, so you breed, sell, and all that other stuff.

Oh, yeah, I'm just collecting.

I'm doing it for real.

I got a whole Get Live Stables LLC.

We doing it for real.

So

do you have any pulling horses, shires, anything like that?

Nah, we just got straight.

Like I said, the buggy horses with the Amish World.

I got the pleasure horses that I do.

And then obviously we got the race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy, but they're racing.

They're racing on the track.

Oh, you got them all like Yokis.

Jokes, he got the same horse, Stender Bread.

Yeah,

you go.

Hey, Matt.

Hey, you know what?

That gave me a good idea.

Since you got horses, Christmas is coming up.

My daughter loves horses.

So you know what I'm for to do.

We're going to put it in the game.

We're going to talk on the back line.

We call it the back line.

We're not going to put all the business on Front Street.

Holla at your boy.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Are you going to get the Fairbrads, maybe get to the Derby or something?

Man, well, Max won one.

I told Max, let me get this next contract.

We can do something.

We can do something.

I mean, to get some good bloodline, they're going to, you know, hey, you got to come out.

You got to come out a million or two.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, man, he's making $35 a year.

He got it.

I'm going to just make it.

I'm going to oversee everything.

I'm going to be his business department.

Make sure he don't get screwed nowhere.

We'll be at the Derby in about two or three years.

Check us out.

Have you ever been to the Derby?

Nah, I've never been.

I just told him, man, if i go i want to host it one year they let von miller host it and he do chickens he don't do horses so i felt disrespected because i'm a real horse that should have been your call yeah that should have been me so whenever they let me host it i'll be there because i can talk about them you know i can give you a live update on what they're doing i actually did it when i first came out at the new orleans uh track and i think i did a good job man i put the suit on and everything so i'm ready to take that next step so if y'all see this invite me to the derby you know and i got y'all it's gonna be a great experience because i actually know horses and i'm and i'm an athlete myself

so let's talk about your college lsu you good you you think you guys got a chance to make the college football playoff can y'all win the sec yeah i think we do man we got a we got a real good defense man we get our quarterback healthy you know obviously he he was one of the best quarterbacks going into this thing but kind of balanced some injuries but i think he gonna shake back and you know uh he gonna get us back on track but as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and and holding people out i think we're gonna gonna be pretty good man

well devin man congratulations on your journey man look if things don't always look god don't make no mistakes at all he put you you went through what you went through you're stronger for it uh i'm happy for you um continue success stay healthy yeah for sure you know when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing you know what's on the other side man i'm trying to get one of them them gold things man that's all that's important to me man Hey, that's all that's important to me.

That's what we play this game for, man.

All the other stuff is going to come.

We already been blessed tremendously.

You know what I'm saying?

Just going to keep having fun and making sure we're doing things the right way, man.

So I appreciate y'all for having me, man.

Yeah.

Definitely.

You don't have any other animals.

You don't have anything else?

Chicken, pigs?

Just no, man.

No, I just do horses.

Man, I got dogs, but man, they just...

What kind of dogs you got?

I got Blue Hillers.

I got Blue Hills.

Oh, okay.

That's the Australian cattle dog.

They run.

I know what it is.

I know what he is.

And I just got them for company, bro.

I don't even work them.

I just got them just to have company on the farm.

Because I got like 80 acres back in Louisiana.

And this offseason, I plan on buying like 100, another 100 that's not too far.

And man, that's what I do, man.

I like being where it's peaceful at.

And I still got my land in Florida, too.

I go out there and train, and I got a born out there in Odessa on the backside of Tampa.

And I go out there, train, take horses, and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well.

So even though, you know, they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my failure.

You still got roots there.

You still got my roots.

You still got my roots there.

All right, man.

Congratulations on and all your success stay healthy man and come back and talk to us again dev i appreciate you man all right appreciate you

devin white linebacker for the las vegas raiders uh i misspoke earlier

uh

what's the dude name uh nick bosa was defensive rookie of the year this the year they came out okay um but he had he was off to an unbelievable start ojo he was he was he's still and he's he's he's starting to look back and as i'm watching the Raiders, he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he first got to Tampa.

Sudden, impactful,

you know, dropping into coverage and blessing the linebacker.

He's getting back to that Devin White, and

I'm glad to see him find a home.

Being,

I think.

Grantham is the DC and the Pete Carroll, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage and to disguise things.

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Oh, Joe, George Pickens, who's set to become an unrestricted free agent after the season, praised the Cowboys, but noted he also wants to showcase my talents.

Pickens was asked about staying in Dallas long term and said, I wouldn't mind it.

The guys in the locker room are super cool.

The energy is great.

But like I've said,

I always want to showcase my talent, most definitely.

Pickens, who turns 25 next March, figures to be one of the most sought-after

receivers in free agency should he hit the market.

On Tuesday, Jerry Jones did not want to get into whether the team would like to open talks on a new contract with Pickens.

Ocho?

Yeah.

Pickens is going to want somewhere between $32 and $36 million.

Yeah.

Is he staying in Dallas or

is Jerry going to hand him walking papers?

Let him walk.

I don't know.

If I was him, I wouldn't even play.

I wouldn't even want to be there, honestly.

I'm just saying that's just me personally.

I want to maximize my potential.

I want to maximize my earnings and go somewhere else where I can contribute.

He wants to show your talent.

We know that.

But

he's going to need to be the number one.

He wants to go somewhere and be number one.

He wants to be number one there.

I mean, that's what he is.

That's what he is.

It's

in a great situation.

Obviously, it was unfortunate that CeeDee Lamb got hurt where Dak Prescott had two number one receivers.

But he needs to go somewhere else to maximize as much as he can get, be that number one and continue to build his career in being a number one player and doing

that

he he knows he can do where you say Cleveland?

Cleveland.

They need a number one receiver.

I'm trying to think of places.

Oh, the Raiders.

Oh,

I like the Raiders.

Hey, wait a minute.

Do you understand how you understand

how that marriage right there would be perfect?

George Pickens, NFL young boy, at the Raiders.

No, that is a great matchup.

That's a great

matter.

It makes sense.

It fits.

It fits him, his persona, his image.

You know, being able to that.

Hey, that is perfect.

Pete Carroll.

Hey, Pete, I'm not tampering.

I'm just telling you ahead of time.

Geno Smith.

You know where he'll be good at too, Ocho?

Where?

The Giants.

Oh,

until...

With Jackson Dart?

Hey.

Oh, neighbors.

No, you got neighbors.

Neighbors coming back.

Never mind.

Okay.

Not there.

All right.

Hold up.

Let me see.

Atlanta got

Drake London.

Drake London.

Drake London.

Tampa got Mbuka, and they got Godwin.

They got Mike.

New Orleans, they got Olave.

Shahid.

Yeah.

But I think, I mean, me personally, I think George Pickens is better than both of those guys.

Different type of player, different type of receiver.

I'm trying to...

I like the Raiders, huh?

I love the Raiders.

I love the Raiders.

I like the Raiders idea, honestly.

All things being equal.

Yeah.

The question is, do they like Zay Flowers or do you like George Pickens?

Who?

Because both of them are going to be up.

Huh?

Pick going to the Raiders.

I'm telling you, I'm putting that in the universe right now.

Because

that CeeDee Lamb team over there in Dallas.

Dude, he's on his helmet.

The Colts need a receiver.

Damn.

Okay, we got that.

You like the Colts with Indiana Jones?

Yeah, I like it.

I like it.

But they kind of set.

Tennessee, they're not set.

What?

Oh, yeah, dude.

I mean, they got Pittman.

They paid Pittman.

Pittman, Downs, they good.

They good.

They got a nice little squad.

And you know what I like about the coast receivers?

Everybody has a different strength.

Everybody has a different strength.

Everybody does something that the other doesn't.

So I like what they have right now.

I'm telling you, pick it to the Raiders.

You're right.

From me, you know what, Ocho?

The Patriots.

No, man.

No, no, no, no.

No.

Hell nah.

No.

You don't like it with Drake May?

No, no.

I like Drake May, but they got their little

core.

Like Pickens and Patriots, that, no, don't put him in that environment.

Absolutely not.

No.

You don't like that structure.

It's too structured.

Yeah,

don't put the man in that structure.

You think you're slick, Ocho?

What?

Don't put him in that environment.

Nah, man.

Hell nah.

Hell nah.

I mean, so what do you think as far as a market?

Open market?

You think about, I mean, what type of numbers are we looking at?

Somewhere 32, 32, 33, 35, 36.

Based on what I'm seeing right now from him and what he's done in the past, and what he's probably going to finish with this year, he's probably going to get somewhere between

34,

36 over the open market.

I'm telling you, it's going to be P.

Carroll.

It's going to be,

I'm not his agent, but I'm going to be responsible for him getting over there over there with Gino.

So Gino got somebody to get that thing to, you know.

I tell you what, Gino, keep turning the ball over.

Gino ain't gonna be there throwing it to him.

He better stop turning the ball over.

He got 10 interceptions in six games.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

See, you know, you know what would probably relieve some of those interceptions?

Him not hitting other guys in the chest,

or or having a target like George Payne to throw to.

Brock Bauer still hurt.

Brock Bauer still hurt, huh?

He is.

Damn.

Yeah.

Look, he is engaged.

Yeah.

He knows the Cowboys are going to throw the football.

He knows he has a quarterback that can get him to football and die.

He's getting more opportunities because

CD is down.

Now, the question is, when CD comes back, will he still get 10, 11 targets a game?

Normally the 10, 11, 12 targets go to CD.

So let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, we take five of those, four of those targets away.

And so instead of getting 10, 11, 12, he gets 6, 7, 8.

Can he still give us, I mean, there'll be games that he still can give you 100, but if he can give us, you know, 70, a quick 70, quick 80, a tub here or there,

he's going to get paid.

Ocho, the guy is going to be, he's going to be 25.

Yeah.

You start of the 2026 season.

He ain't even, he ain't even, he's not even close to his prime.

No, not yet.

He ain't even got his prime, and me won't get his prime for another two years.

Yeah.

He's gonna get it.

Listen,

I told you, I told you, didn't I tell you when I talked to Pick last year, didn't I tell you it wouldn't be no more problems?

Yep.

And we ain't had a problem yet.

I told you, and I stand on that.

And he's going to get rewarded not only for,

I hate using the word good behavior, but being a professional, but you're going to get rewarded for your play on the field, not what you're doing off of it you're gonna get rewarded for your play on the field tremendously and I know you're gonna see this young bull stay locked in keep the main thing the main thing and you're gonna get what you deserve I got a place where he can go well Green Bay

Josh Jacobs said they need a number one

I like hey that's a good one

That's a good one.

Josh Jacobs said they need a number.

Let me tell you something, though.

Let me tell you something.

I look at the Green Bay offense the same way I look at the Indianapolis Colts, where they all are by committee, and each game, you never know whose day it's going to be.

You never know whose day it's going to be.

Yeah, you can run it back.

It might be Wicks.

It might be goddamn Reed come back.

It might be Dobbin.

You never know.

So I like what they have over there.

I like that little young system they got.

I want him to be that man over there in

Las Vegas.

Because it's just going to be him.

He ain't got to worry about nothing else.

You know, every game, you get 10-11

targets

going crazy.

Pete Carroll, what are we talking about?

I like it.

I like,

look,

I like,

I always thought he was talented.

I thought he was immensely talented.

The catches that he's making, he's tremendous.

Run after the catch.

it's just, you know, sometimes you need to change the scenery.

Yeah, that's all.

Sometimes you need to change the scenery.

He had, he had worn out his welcome in Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh was, you know, Ocho, it was, they were, Pittsburgh and George Pickens were sick.

They were sick of him, and he was sick of them.

Yeah.

So when you get a situation like that, the best thing to do is to go ahead and part ways.

They were able to get some, they were able to get something for him.

He was able to get a place.

They're going to throw him the football.

Now, it worked out perfectly.

I hate that CD got hurt in order for people to see just how good George Pickens is.

Because I think the thing is that, you know, his behavior, his petulant behavior, you forget that he's an immensely talented receiver.

CD going down, he got an opportunity to showcase that.

I don't know if CD's back this week or when CD's coming back, but he's put enough on tape to make people understand, to let people know, oh, he's for real now.

I'm him.

He's the real deal.

I'm him.

We'll be talking back.

Yeah.

Jerry Jones says he's open to making a trade before the November 4th trade deadline.

We have thoughts all along that if we see a way to improve this year with a trade at the

trade at the deadline, then we'll take advantage of it.

If there's a trade that will help the defense, we're in position to make that trade.

I want to remind everyone, one of the great things about our trade we have with Green Bay is that our tackle makes about $22 million a year.

He cost us two.

Cost him $2 million, Ocho.

We're getting a $20-something million dollar player for $2 to $3 million right now.

And he's playing about as well as anybody on the defense.

Why do I bring that up?

That alone has increased our flexibility of being able to look at potential trade right, whereas you might have had cramps before.

So we're in position to look at that trade, and that means we're going to make one.

That doesn't mean we're going to make one, but Jerry is saying, Ocho,

we have the assets.

We have the cap space.

If there's somebody out there that can help this defense at the deadline,

we go do it.

I mean,

that's wishful thinking.

I told you.

Does that strike me as something Jerry would do?

No, but

the question is, Ocho, is there a Charles Haley out there?

No, but listen, they have a problem stopping the run.

And I told you who to go get.

I told you who to go get over there in Tennessee.

He went 98.

He's nice, a very good run stopper.

Listen, I'm not sure who the mic back is, but you should have a feast.

You should have a hell of a time if Jerry makes that move and go get Brother Simmons.

Jerry just, he just keeps throwing shade.

And we got a D-tager that's making $2 to $3 billion a year.

You know, okay, Jerry, you got off Micah.

You didn't have to pay the $200 million.

It's moving along.

But guess what?

Yeah.

Those picks that you got, you're going to have to give them up if you want somebody at the trade deadline that can help your team.

Because

I know you don't think somebody's just going to hand you over one of their best defensive players for what?

They say, oh, you got three first rounders.

You want this player where you had three.

Now you got one.

Or.

You give up one of those for a first rounder and a second round or something.

But the question is, is Simmons available?

because simmons can stop the run and he can rush the passer

right

so the question is

who's available and what are you willing up to what what are you willing to give up to get him right

that's what that's all about oh joe and the fact you have the capital you have the cap flexibility and you have the draft capital to go to satisfy

but but think about this even if you do have the capital

who are you you gonna who are you gonna go get that's gonna make a difference that's gonna make a change that can put a dent in some of the issues that you have right now?

I mean who

it would have to be if it would still have to be a big name It would still have to be a name that going to cost you because anything else outside of that is just gonna be another body and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way It's just gonna be another body.

That's it taking up space not someone that can actually make a difference for you defensively and change the trajectory.

Look, ooh, I'm messing up my words.

Trajectory of your defense.

Look,

if I'm Cleveland, Jerry, give me three first rounders on the second round pick.

I'll give you Miles Garrett.

Well, then you put yourself right back in the same situation you would have been in if you had kept Mike and paid Micah.

So you right back in the same boat, claiming

this is not what we needed.

You said we got better.

Jerry said we got better when we let Micah go.

If I put my my finger to jerry's back and says who's better micah or miles garrett who do you think jerry's gonna say

miles garrett okay

am i wrong am i right

yeah you're right i believe he'll say miles garrett i get what you're saying too you say well okay you gave up all that you what you acquired so you got a very similar player but i believe jerry believes that miles garrett is an upgrade of some standard.

I'm not saying head over heels.

I'm not saying two, but I believe he believes he's an upgrade over Michael Parsons.

Well, then it would still be the same thing because also he said, I let Michael Parsons go because when we did have him, we didn't win the Super Bowl.

So are you saying Micah Parsons is going to be the one to come here and change?

Are you

Miles Garrett going to be the one to come here and change that?

Are you going to win the Super Bowl?

Are you going to get close to winning the Super Bowl?

I'm trying to find difference makers.

Okay.

That could help that could help the Cowboys.

You have to.

Who are the difference makers?

Okay, Trey Hendrickson.

Do you believe?

Do you believe Hendrickson's available?

Is Jeffrey Simmons?

I don't know.

We'll find out.

Hold on.

The 15th.

So we're about 19 days.

We're about three weeks away from finding out what's going to be available.

Oh, Joe, the Titans have fired

Brian Callahan just six games into his second season as head coach.

His team was 4-19.

The Titans were 3-14 in Callahan's first season, finishing with the number one pick and selecting

Cam Ward.

With Callahan firing, the past four quarterbacks drafted number one overall.

Six of the past eight

seen their head coaches fired during their rookie season.

Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer, Bryce Young, Frank Wright, Caleb Williams, Matt Eberflus, Cam Ward, Brian Callahan.

Ocho?

Yeah.

Who do you think?

It's not the coaches.

It's not the coaches.

It's the owners.

Hey, chat, stay with me real quick and understand this.

The owners have to understand that when it comes to football, right?

The owners are businessmen, huh?

And the stuff that they do, the stuff that they're passionate and enthusiastic about outside of football in the business world.

The one way to fix it is you throw money at it.

You throw money at it, and that return on investment, it happens right away.

When it comes to the game of football,

this ain't a microwavable plate.

You don't draft a quarterback, have a new coach, and put him out there on the field and think y'all are going to have success right away.

That's not the way it works.

That's never been the way it works.

Now, sometimes you get a quarterback, like you get a C.J.

Schrouder, you get lucky.

You get a Jaden Daniels and you get lucky.

You get a franchise-altering quarterback right away that changes the trajectory and speeds up the process of being a consistent team that can win.

But listen,

Brian Callahan getting fired.

Obviously, first year with Cam Ward,

it's not the microwave.

This ain't food.

You can't just put it in there and heat it up and all of a sudden

you're going to have success.

It just doesn't happen like that.

It never has.

They don't have patience, Ocho.

They're not letting anything develop.

You know, I used to have a saying, I get my chickens by smashing the eggs, not by letting them hatch.

There's a process in which an egg hatch into a chiclet.

These are what these owners are doing.

They're smashing the eggs.

They're not going to let it hatch.

They fired the general manager.

They fired Brable.

They fried Rand Carthon.

And guess what?

Now they fry Brian Callahan.

What are they doing?

They don't know.

Do they do

my point exactly?

So obviously, they're not football people.

They're not, they're businessmen.

They need to have

she is

amy adams okay i think i think the last it's pronounced skunk skrunk okay strunk

her father

mr bud adams bud adams yeah okay i know who that is i know who that is he he passed away and turned it over to her i don't know how involved she was

at the time.

So you inherit this business, and if you haven't invested or spent a whole lot of time in it, you don't know a whole lot about it.

You're trusting other people to run the business.

Now, at least when Jerry passes away, hopefully that's not for another hundred years.

His kids have been in the business from day one.

So they're going to understand how this business works.

So they have been a part of it since he purchased the team in 1989.

They've been a part of it.

I don't know how involved she was

with it.

So,

and you're trusting other people.

I don't know how involved they were with it.

So

it's tough, Ocho.

It's tough.

And it's not like

another business.

Because, Ocho, if your business is not doing well,

you just don't sell it.

You just don't scrap your, start buying the the CEO start finding the VP the COO you don't start finding a whole bunch of people you give it time

you have to you don't have a choice you have like but but those that are in positions of power I don't think they understand how the game of football works you're drafting number one for a reason yeah you're terrible you drafted number one for a reason that quarterback is going to have his ups and his downs yes

I mean, that's just the nature of the business.

But they say it's what, but these young quarterbacks go into dysfunctional franchises.

If they was functional, he wouldn't be there.

What the hell?

There's a reason why you got an opportunity to pick first.

Right.

You're bad.

How would that be fair that Kansas City win the championship and then they get the first pick in the draft?

The Eagles

win the Super Bowl.

They get the first pick of the draft.

We talked about this the other day is that the Lakers won the championship in 82, and guess what they got?

They got to select James Word, the number one overall.

Okay.

How is that fair?

Right.

Damn.

Yes, no.

So normally, the best.

So normally the collegiate best player or what is deemed the best player goes to the worst situation because we want that guy to catch up.

If we just put the worst, the best players on the best teams, they would stay bad.

I just, I, I,

they just

they're not going to give it time, ocho.

They're just not going to give it time because you're going to have to pay these quarterbacks.

These quarterbacks are going to be getting three million dollars.

Three, excuse me, 300 million.

Yeah, absolutely.

And so, there's like, but this is the problem, dude.

This is the problem that scares me.

If you only gave Callahan two years, right?

You get you drafted Cam Ward.

I'm not sure how much time he, I'm not sure how much,

how many years are on this rookie deal.

Do you have the patience with him?

They got four plus to 50 option.

Do you have the patience with him

as well?

So

I don't know.

Stuff like that scares me.

It scares me, especially when you fire a coach that early, knowing that you're drafting or you're picking in a position you're picking for a reason.

Bringing another coach and still not having the players is not going to change a goddamn thing.

I'm trying to think a quarterback that didn't.

I mean,

hey, Baker Mayfield, wasn't

Freddie K fired during Baker's rookie year?

Right.

So this is not, this is not new.

This has been going on.

You go back the last, you go back to the last decade plus and go back and look at them one overall picks and see their quarterbacks get fired during that first year.

That's crazy.

Because a lot of times he was there the year before and they get the working quarterback and they get, you got to go.

Huge acts to be started.

Yeah, okay, huge act.

Okay.

Okay.

So, see,

this is not something new.

It's been going on, but I think now we're starting like, damn.

What do you expect from a team that let Derrick Henry go, you didn't get anything for him, and you traded away A.J.

Brown for Trillin Brook or Burks?

Trillin Brook, yeah.

And now he's he's in the

he was in Denver, I think, today or last week working out.

So, do you think that is a team that is equipped?

No.

You let Derrick Henry walk out the door scot-free.

You traded A.J.

Brown.

You had one of the better coaches, Mike Brable.

Yeah.

And you fired him.

Damn.

Who's going to be the next coach?

Well, Mike McCoy

was on the staff.

So he's taken over.

He was the head coach at

the Chargers.

So he's the interim.

He was the offensive coordinator in Denver when the Denver went to that Super Bowl and they got the doors blown off him.

But

I think it was San Diego then.

They went to the playoffs his first year, but then he ended up losing his job.

So he's the interim

coach at this point in time.

I just don't think

they have an idea.

You trade your best player, the best coach you've had in a very, very long time.

You fire him.

You've gone through two, three general managers in a span of five years.

That's not the continuity that you need in order to build a winning program.

I just don't

know if they're going to get it right this time around either, Joe.

Well, listen, listen,

if they don't get it right, we might as well put our goddamn name in the hat and see what we can come away with.

Get us a little opportunity.

We can diversify our portfolio.

No, I'm good.

My portfolio is diversified.

Okay.

Okay.

It don't hurt to add a little more now.

Can you imagine Shannon Sharp,

manager, Tennessee Titans?

I've made it abundantly clear.

I want no part.

I want to cover the NFL in this capacity.

I don't want to work for an organization

in any capacity.