Best of NFL News Part 2: Tomlin BLASTS Flacco Trade, Dak PAY CUT?, Micah COMPLAINING?!

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Mike Tomlin openly questioned the Browns and general manager Andrew Berry for trading Joe Flacco to the Bengals.

Ocho, let's take a listen to what Mike T had to say.

You know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.

Um,

Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us

because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.

Um, but that's just my personal feelings.

Look, Mike T don't, that's not his style.

Mike T don't normally involve in the A.

He always say, that's not us.

That's not the Pittsburgh Steelers business.

Right.

But

why you, why do you think Bike T

stepped out of character?

All right.

Well, listen, they asked him a question.

He asked him a question.

He gave him something different.

He gave him something different.

And obviously, even he has to always show face and be someone that he's truly not.

You know what?

I feel like being myself today.

I like that.

One thing I told Young that I want coaches, I want players to obviously start doing.

Sometimes I want them to tell the truth.

Sometimes I want them to say exactly how they feel.

I want the locker room talk, the conversations that are had to be said in front of camera now what he just said just there is something he would say if there were no cameras rolling i enjoyed that that's authenticity you know so you like what tua said

who tour

no i don't like that part that's authenticity no no no i don't like that see i'm listening that that's i i i'm not i'm not throwing nobody under the bus you said you wanted authenticity you you didn't and you're not you didn't you're not listening to me i don't like the snitching on people i don't like that part i don't You want authenticity.

You get to pick and choose what's authentic.

If it's authentic, you want it.

That's what you said, chat.

Is that what he said?

Help me out, chat.

You're confusing.

Don't put authentic and snitching together.

That's not together.

I like Mike Thomas' answer.

because it's something most coaches or most people wouldn't say in front of the camera.

So the fact that he did say it and it was out of character for him as a head coach means it's authentic.

that's how he really feels so let me ask you a question

did is tua was snitching and throwing people under the bus that he got were they late were they late did they miss did he lie i wasn't there what tua said is what he would say if the cameras weren't there

that's that's called snitching huh cameras are not

You said you want people to be authentic.

Now you want them to be authentic sometimes.

See,

you're going from one spectrum to the other.

So if we we would talk about two i would say that's snitching like i did yesterday but

is that

now we talk about mike top he is he being truthful is he being truthful yeah yeah who

tour i don't know we weren't there we don't know

he's hold on

you how can it be if it's if it if he can't be snitching then hold on we weren't there we weren't there so he ain't snitching no he's snitching how you know you weren't there exactly because just the context and perspective of what I have to go off of you saying, what we should...

I ain't say nothing.

Let me say something.

We shouldn't know anything about what's going on in that locker room.

It shouldn't.

As a quarterback.

We shouldn't know anything about what Mike Tomlin is thinking.

Why not?

Come on.

Why not?

How are you trying to compare the two?

I'm just saying, you say you want

authenticity.

I do.

You said you want people to tell the truth.

Two was telling the truth.

He was telling what he experienced.

Guys coming late, guys missing.

You didn't like that because you said it's snitching, but you said you just wanted people to tell the truth.

You want people, I want people to be themselves.

That's what I say.

Wait a minute.

Stay, stay, stay, stay with me.

Stay with me now.

Now, I don't mind.

I don't like the snitching part.

You don't throw your teammates under the bus.

As a captain, as a quarterback, you always take issues and put them on yourself.

That's what I do.

Now,

Mike Tomlins is giving his

perspective based on, you know, the Browns letting Joe come to the Bengals.

There's nothing wrong with that.

Just giving you his perspective of why they're losing.

No, stop, stop.

I'm just going by what you say.

You say you want people to live in their truth.

You say, hey, oh, you say,

I just want people sometimes, I just want people to come up there and tell what's on their mind.

That's what you told me.

I said, oh, Joe, you can't do that.

You say, why not, uh?

i said because

it'll be a detriment to the team you say i don't care i just want it to be true i just want people to just stay you say stay uh stay with me just for a second stay with me right now i said okay i'm gonna stay with you oh i don't understand

what you don't understand i don't understand man listen all two of them would say guys the reason why we're losing We got the reason why we're losing is that when we have a meeting and we schedule a meeting, are guys going to show up?

Are they going to show up on time?

When we say we're going to do this, are we going to do it?

That's what he's saying.

You tell the truth.

That ain't nobody's business.

That ain't nobody's business.

You know, you don't conduct yourself like that as a player and mentor

about your players.

You don't put that business out there like that.

You don't do that.

Basically, you know, if he was on trial, you know, he done got everybody in trouble.

We all go into jail cut the tour.

I know.

So in other words, you don't want people telling the truth all the time, right?

Come again.

So you're saying you don't want people to tell the truth all the time, correct?

No, I don't want people snitching, snitching.

There's a difference.

You're confusing someone snitching and someone being authentic in their answer based on the perspective of the question that they're asked.

Those are two different scenarios.

How about this here?

Snitching only takes place in the street.

The street of snitching.

When you partake in that activity, you're supposed to be a code.

You and I do not partake in that.

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Well, there's also an NFL code.

Anything

inside that locker room should not be talked about in front of cameras or at home.

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time.

Huh?

So we shouldn't tell the truth all the time.

Yeah, you should.

You just shouldn't snitch.

Well, how can I?

This man.

Listen.

Chad, y'all see this man.

We got to live by a code.

If we don't live by a code, what are we living for?

So the locker room got the same code as the street.

Yes.

Yeah.

What you mean?

Yeah, it's the same.

It's the same.

You got to live by the code.

I'm just saying.

Yeah, you got to live by the code, huh?

And listen, it's an unwritten rule, too.

Somebody didn't even have to explain it.

You just understand and know in that environment what you can and cannot do.

Ta-da, as a quarterback in the NFL, or as a coach in the NFL, there are things that you can and cannot do.

Thank you.

That's all I want to hear.

We move on.

Thank you, Ocho.

That's all I wanted you to say.

Right, right.

But then you have some people like myself that

choose to do the opposite.

Yes, that's all I wanted you to say, Ocho.

I'm like, man, this man talking about, hey, I'll go up there.

But why can't a quarterback just put people on blast?

Why can't the quarterback?

Hey, Ocho, you know goodwill.

The quarterback can't do that.

When Cam Ward came out and said, I'm going to be honest with y'all, man, we fucking ass.

Like, that was refreshing.

That was refreshing.

I get tired of hearing that goddamn same old rhetoric, politically correct from the same goddamn school.

It was refreshing that tour told us the truth.

That guys be coming in late.

The guys be missing things it was refreshing no it was not though hey that goddamn cam board now that was some funny

they asked tour what's going on all tour said the reason what one of the reasons we might be we got to take it serious we got to make up our minds are we going to come in on time or the met the meetings that we schedule are we going to attend them he was just being honest yeah i got you i got you

oh shoot now you got me thinking about that that.

This man told me, this man been telling me it's freshing.

It's a breath of fresh air.

It is.

Like, and but you didn't like it.

I don't know.

Like, I don't.

I don't, but I understand.

You said you wanted.

I didn't want it because I understand the ramifications that come along with it.

Because

I don't know, you know.

According to reports of SNY Network, Tyrod Taylor has the support of some people in the Jets building as their QB1 over Fields.

They feel like Justin was given the job without any competition.

Yes, he was.

Justin Fields got two years at 40 million and Tyrod got backup money.

Yes.

Hey, I'm mad things aren't working out, honestly, to be honest.

I really thought this has been really, really good.

Finally, Justin Fields, you get your opportunity.

You get your team.

You get to be quarterback number one.

You don't have to look over your shoulder.

You don't have to worry about Russell Wilson or

being pulled.

Understand, whenever you come to.

Chicago.

Yeah, Chicago.

I'm like, God damn.

Finally, he gets his team.

He goes to a place where they actually want him.

Correct.

Where they actually want him.

And that's one of the greatest feelings in the world.

And for some reason, obviously, it just hadn't panned out.

It hadn't panned out the way it should.

As good as Justin Fields is, I've seen the flashes of brilliance from him, whether it be throwing the ball, whether it be, you know, running the ball or escaping the pocket and just extending plays.

I mean, he can do it.

You just have to find a way to

string all those qualities together consistently over and over.

Look, Tyrod is not the athletic phenom that he's not.

I mean, Tyrod, when he came into the league now, Tyrod was athletic.

Remember him with Virginia Tech.

He can go now.

He was the backup to Joe Flacco when they won the championship.

He took Buffalo to the playoffs.

Tyrod can play.

Absolutely can.

He can play.

And so I agree with you.

But for whatever reason,

it hasn't clicked yet.

For Justin Fields.

It still takes a while for him to process it, Ocho.

And you know, at this level, at that level in which he's playing at, what you and I played at,

that clock's got to go off.

Guys, they're going to be running scot-free.

Guys are not going to be running scot-free.

You got to throw guys open.

You got to throw with great anticipatory skills.

And right now, it's just like he's glitching.

Bro, you can't hold on to that ball, bro.

This ain't 707.

They're coming.

And

dang i think

i think they give him a couple more games oh cho i do yeah yeah absolutely i mean it's too soon it's too soon to pull a plug right now oh cho i'm not going 0-9 and not make changes i've got to make some changes but what are they right now

they're 0-6

i go to 0-7 0-8 what what come on ocho what you want me to do go 0-15 before i make a move what's the next three games

And you know, once you make that move,

if you go from Justin Fields to Tyrod Taylor,

that just erases and scratches everything as far as him.

Oh, well,

I'm trying to win games.

Okay.

Panthers?

I'm talking about the future.

Panthers.

Okay.

Bingles.

Browns.

Shit.

That's tough.

It's either now or never.

He won't get an easier stretch.

Easier?

He won't get an easier stretch.

Did you just hit a stream?

How many games have the Panthers won?

Two, three?

They're three and three, right?

Did you just see that the Panthers demolish the Cowboys or no?

They're three and three.

Okay, what are the Bengals?

Two and four.

What's Cleveland?

Two and four.

Browns are one and five.

Browns are one and five.

So you got a three and three, a two and four, and a one and five.

Now, give me the next three.

They got a chance of winning one out of those three because they ain't beating the Panthers or the Bengals.

Then they got the Patriots, Ravens, Falcons, Dolphins.

Okay, they might be the Dolphins.

Hell, they might be the Ravens.

Nah, Lamar will be back by then.

Hey, if things don't go well, do you even bring Lamar back at all?

Or you just let him

spend the $50 million?

dollars you damn right I'm bringing it back okay

what the hell you talking about

hey no no chance at the playoffs I mean who said they ain't got no chance at the playoffs I'm just saying if they don't depending on when he comes back if they well I mean look they're on the bye week this week so

this will be three weeks almost four weeks a month how severe was the hamstring injury Yeah, oh well he'd be back next.

He'll be back next week then.

CD Lamb sat out the past three games with a high ankle sprain.

Today he said he could have played last week against the Panthers, but he sat another week so he could be fully healthy without limitations.

He will not be on a pitch count against the Commanders.

I feel like I'm moving around, running around, being me, happy as I can be.

Obviously, just believing in my ankle.

Obviously, I feel like it's back to where I need it to be.

Oh, Joe?

Yeah.

What you think?

Talk to me.

I'm excited.

I'm excited.

The fact that he said, and him knowing his body, I could have came back last week but i want to wait one more week to make sure i don't have to worry about nothing i don't have to worry about nothing so for me that makes that offense in dallas even that much more scarier and you know what's going to happen is hell chase got how many targets he got tonight uh

man chase had 18 targets 18 targets Now, don't forget to...

And the fact is, Ojo, he got his hands on all 18 of them.

It wasn't like it was out of bounds or he didn't have no chance.

He literally got his hand on all 18 which is people don't realize how hard that is to have that many targets and to actually put your hands on all 18 18 yeah most definitely shoot i i wouldn't be surprised if the getting back on track after missing three games i won't be surprised if if goddamn cd had 15 targets next week i wouldn't be surprised at all i wouldn't be surprised at all

at all and listen man honestly i told i told cd i i hit him when he got her i say listen i can have you back in a week what i can have you back in a week but he just

well look looking at the severe like like when he did that looking at it i said man that's three weeks oh yeah yeah yeah most definitely because man that hey that thing

yeah oh let me take that back chase had 23 targets ocho 23 23 targets i think the most i've ever had ocho was like 15.

hey i don't

I can't even tell you that was the best.

But I don't think we track targets like they do now.

I don't think, I'm just saying, you know, you go back and look at the films and, you know,

they throw the ball over your head.

That's a target.

You throw the ball 15 feet over my damn head and out of bounds.

That's a target.

I mean,

if you was a sniper and I was your target and you shot like that, people go like, no, that wasn't no target.

You off target.

Yeah.

And that's another thing I like about Flacco too, is he makes every ball count.

He makes every ball count because every ball he throws, he going to give you a chance to get it.

Yeah.

He's going to give you a a chance to get it

i guess they count targets when they throw the ball he's pi

so anything that comes your way yeah they count that too okay okay

because

man oh can you imagine what you could have done with 20 plus targets i man um

it isn't impossible i mean it's it i mean i'm just thinking i'm thinking it it would only be possible in this era yeah yeah yeah yeah it would only be possible in this era i i i wonder when to when to caught 20 passes i wonder how many targets he had.

Brandon Marshall has the record.

He has 21.

Yep.

Brandon, yeah.

So if you catch 20 balls, Ocho,

you got at least 23, 24, maybe even 25 targets.

Hey, matter of fact, you know how many yards I would have?

You got to think.

I average maybe

six yards a game.

Six, maybe seven catches a game.

If that.

But mine were always.

No, you ain't ever that many catches.

You ever had a hundred catch season?

No, hell no.

Because that's what I'm saying.

So if you average

six catches a game in 16 games, that's 96 catches.

What's the most catcher you had in the season?

About right there, about 96.

Okay.

But I was a yardage muster because everything I caught was 10, 15 yards.

Yeah, that's how I was on your own.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I have 1,100 yards and three touchdowns.

And if somebody else got 400 yards and they got six,

I'm like, man, throw me something.

But we got close to the goal line.

TD going to run that end.

We're not throwing no ball unless it's third or something.

But other than that,

man that pay td running that in doctor yeah it's it's amazing man just the era the era of football that we're in now and they pull the ball so much

damn i oh i can i can only wish

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Ocho, Dak Prescott said he plans to speak with Jerry Jones about the importance of keeping George Pickens with the Cowboys beyond this season.

I've been a little busy, but I will.

When I run into him in that time of privacy, I'll make sure.

But here's the thing, though, Jack.

Running in, okay, you want to keep him.

Are you willing to take less than your 60 meal?

Because, okay, you got 60.

George Pickens is going to want max dollars.

He's like, because this is his first bite at the apple.

He's going to say, Dak, you've had three bites at the apple.

I've never had a big bite at the apple.

And I'm going to take as big a bite as I possibly can.

As a matter of fact, I might be a horse.

I might eat the whole damn apple.

Damn, a bite.

I want the whole damn apple.

So that's the question.

You know, you want all these great players.

That's what Brady did.

You see what Mahomes is doing.

The question is, are you willing to take a little haircut?

I'm not saying you got to give him 20 million, but I'm saying, are you willing to take, say, if you can get 63, 64 million, are you willing to take 50, 57?

So George Pickens can get his 30 because he's going to want somewhere between 32 and 36 million dollars.

That's what George Pickens is going to want.

Because he sees what DK got,

he sees what Terry McLaurin got.

And I guarantee you, George Pickens believes he's every bit as good as DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin.

He is.

He is.

And I'm not sure Dak is

depending.

I'm not sure Dak has already got his money already.

Dak got one more year on that contract or is he up?

But I think he had a monster cap number.

I think he got like something like 80 million in cap.

Yeah, Dak then got paid.

I don't see him doing that.

I would like him to allow to allow pick goals.

What's his cap number next year, Dak?

Next year's cap is 74.

Oh, yeah, they got to do something with that.

His cap here is 74 million, Ocho.

You got to redo that deal.

Damn.

You got to redo that.

And 68.

what you think you got oh bro you got to do oh you definitely they definitely they definitely they're definitely going to redo that deal yeah they're not going to let that man play but but what do you think though do you think dak will take less to be able to keep pick

that's what that's what jerry that's what jerry's gonna ask him you mean dak gonna ask jerry excuse me yes that no that's what jerry's gonna ask dak are you willing to take less so we can ensure we can put better players around you

if Patrick Mahomes doesn't do what he does, you're not able to keep Chris Jones.

You're not able to keep the Travis Kelsey and keep it together, Colophtas.

Hey, they're going to have to do something with Trit McDuffie.

Oh, hey, Trent, nice, huh?

Yes.

So you're able to keep all these pieces together.

Because

you got Creed Humphrey on a big deal.

You got

your right tackle.

Now, you hit it out of the park because your left side looks really good.

The left tackle, Simmons, even the guy that came the backup did an extremely great job the other night.

But

you have to,

you got to give up something, Ocho.

It's really, it's really that simple.

Now, the question is,

when we had

growing up financially, we struggled.

My grandma said, boy, what's going to be this month?

The phone, the light, or the gas?

One or the other.

I can't pay them all, son.

I mean, it's really that simple.

Hey, you need the phone in case we got to call somebody.

The lights so you can do your homework.

Yeah.

Or you and your brother are going to have to go down there and chop wood.

We pull that heat away from the fireplace.

Hey.

And we go cut down a tree.

Hey.

It's really that simple.

So that's what you want.

You want to be the highest paid quarterback?

Or you want to be sixth or seventh

and have

talent around you to help you.

Because guess what, Ocho?

You're going to need some defensive help too.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely.

But I think

me, honestly, allow Pick to go get his thing.

Allow Pick to go get what he's deserving of.

And I don't think Jerry's is going to open up his pocketbook.

like that and cut the check that he deserving of getting.

Oh,

His agent is the same guy that represented

Michael Parsons.

Oh, yeah.

David Mulageda.

Yeah,

we're going to let Pick going.

We need to go and get his money over there in Las Vegas.

Over there in Las Vegas.

They'll pay.

Now, the question is, you know, Ocho, normally when you go in free agency, everybody don't have the luxury like

AJ Brown.

AJ went from Tennessee to Philly.

So a team that was perennial in the playoffs, you know, he went there.

Normally, in free agency to go get big bucks, you generally have to go somewhere, Ocho, that's they, they, they, they ain't on the come.

Yeah, you're right, you're right.

But but and but but the question is, Ocho, the question again,

hmm,

35, 36 million,

probably 75, 80 million

guaranteed.

I see you in Vegas.

Hey, I see you.

I see you in Vegas.

Everybody got theirs.

It's my turn.

But this is what I do hope, Ocho.

I'm hoping they don't do this.

Tagging.

Period.

No, no, no, no.

I just, oh, I just got, I'm trying to prepare you for everything because I already know you're going to flip out.

So I'm just going to prepare you.

What's today's date?

Today is the 16th, Thursday, the 16th.

I'm just preparing you for that, Ocho.

Day.

hey listen i i hear you i hear you i understand you preparing but let's not play that game let's not play that game because if you tagging me lets me know you don't value me you don't think i'm worth what i can get on the open market don't tag me don't do that that's what i hey i'm a firm believer in that ocho it hold on let's see what i'm worth you don't think i'm worth i'm asking for let me go And you know, and Jerry has had that conversation with a lot of players.

Here, we're going to let you go.

We're going to let you explore the open market and come back and tell us what they think of you.

Very few times when you let a guy, because the team is gonna overbid for him because they already know what I got to do.

Now, first of all, it might be a little easier because

it's gonna be harder for them,

Dallas, if they let him test the open market.

It's gonna be harder because Pick doesn't have an attachment to Dallas.

He's only there for a year.

So he might be viewing it as a rental, Ocho.

Hey, I'm staying this rental property.

I'm gonna go instead of getting me a house.

They got these apartments that's already

furnished.

Yeah.

Hey, listen.

So he's not entrenched in the community.

He hasn't been there for four or five years.

I don't know if he's married or has a fiancé or girlfriend or whatever the case may be, but he doesn't.

I don't know if he has that there.

I don't know if he has kids there.

So he's not entrenched like somebody that's been there six or seven years.

So it's easier.

It's a lease with an option to buy.

It's a lease with an option to buy and i prefer getting that lease and going somewhere where you can get what you deserve like every other receiver at your position has everybody else got theirs oh yeah for sure and you deserve to be paid like a number one now the the cowboys already have a number one receiver and the one thing that they're gonna say upstairs over there with in jerry's world is well we already paid Cee De Lamb X amount of dollars.

We don't view you as such because we already have a number one.

We already have a number one.

Okay.

You already know the game is going to play.

But it would be hard, Ocho, because of what they gave up.

What did they give up?

A third-round pick for a pick or fourth?

To give that up for him

and just basically keep him as a rental for a year?

So that's why I think Jerry might be more apt to sign him.

Jerry loves offense.

So

if a player was to get some money,

they gave him a third and the fifth.

And that's the next year's draft because he was signed.

They traded for him after the draft.

So he gave him a third and the fifth in 2026.

Third and 26, 5th and 2027.

Okay.

Then you have to think it all comes to Dak as well.

What is Dak willing to do?

How much less is Dak willing to

not to take so they can sign pick?

And then defense.

You need defensive players.

You do.

You need some.

Now the question is, Ocho,

if you go out and fringes and you know, you got to overpay.

Do you believe you can hit it in the draft market?

You believe you can draft the guy or because you got two first-rounders.

You're not finna draft no, but who are you going to draft?

Ain't going to make a make a difference.

You need a statement piece on that defense.

Listen, when you put your clothes on, when you put your clothes on, this is for everybody in the chat.

When you put your clothes on, I know, I know some women in there, I know some fellas in here too.

When you put your clothes on, you got to have one thing that stands out.

That's a statement piece.

Dallas Dallas Cowboys defense needs a statement piece.

I don't know what it could be a D-tackle.

It could be a corner.

It could be a safety.

But you need it.

Your statement piece is gone over there at the green.

I don't know about you, Ocho.

When I put my clothes on, I'm the statement.

Yeah,

you won't.

I feel.

I'm saying.

Yes, I got nice jewelry.

I got accessories.

Right, right, right, right, right.

But it's got to be a statement piece.

Listen,

when a woman gets dressed, right?

Yes.

There are two things that make that for her, that is the statement piece.

It's either your bag or

your heels.

One or the other.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One or the other.

What you're wearing that right now.

You're right, Ocho.

Ocho,

you ain't wrong when you're right.

Yeah, talk to me now.

I can't talk to you like I want to.

26.

I'm going to talk to you at 26.

Right now, I'm going to probation.

I'm still on probation, Ocho.

26, y'all.

Up back.

Up back.

Hey, my probation officer, he be checking in.

He be watching this show.

From time to time, he's like, okay, you know, I'm going going to have to write you up.

Yeah.

That's okay.

You're good.

You're good.

You're good.

Yeah.

But 26, you know, I had to do, you know, I got to do, I had to do like 12 months.

Right.

12?

Yeah, I had to do 12 months probation.

All right.

Well, how long we got?

What?

Two months?

We got, what are we in?

October?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Probably around, probably like April, May, 26.

I'm out like a scout on a new route.

But hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

You ain't got to wait that long, though.

You know why you ain't got to wait that long?

Why we ain't got to wait that long?

when New Year,

when that ball drop on New Year's, ball drop.

When the ball drops, you good to go.

You know why?

What they say, but

what they say.

Oh, listen, they letting you off for good time serve.

Good time?

Yeah, when you've been.

They say they'll give me three days for every good day.

I've been good.

It's like the fans.

Cause the fans give you like 54 days for every year.

For every year you serve.

Hey, just saying.

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Oh, Joe, earlier today, Micah sounded off on

how he's officiated in refs in general.

Let's take a listen to what Micah had to say.

You know, five years of not gonna call, you'll eventually start worrying about it, you know.

But, you know, I think

I just gotta keep going.

That's just that's the hunt.

Yeah.

Like, that's part of the challenge.

It's Like you just got to keep going.

And that bothers them.

That worries them.

They know that.

That's the part of being one of the best.

That comes with some territory where the parts that you hate and the parts that the league lets go.

They know, I mean, you can tell how they call the games.

They don't call out sides for

offense, but they'll call on defense.

They won't call offensive pass interference, but they'll call defensive pass interference.

I mean, like, we know what they're trying to do.

They want to load the points up so can be happy.

And

you know, I mean, they'll call defensive holding, but they won't call offensive holding.

Like, let's just wake up.

Like, it's just one of those things that

we know what the higher-ups is trying to do.

Like, the reflects say, I know that's a hole, but

what?

Like, you're not going to call it?

Like, come on.

Like, it's just one of those things that, like, I'm over it and I'm going to just have to keep going, push through it.

Oh, Joe.

He knows he's like, you know what?

I should stop.

I shouldn't say anymore.

But he can't help himself.

Now, chat, you tell me the great defensive player, the great defensive player.

If you're my age, let's just say you're between the ages of 60

and 25.

Tell me the great defensive player.

And we believe Michael Parsons is a great defensive player that you've heard them complain.

about being hell.

The LTs, the Reggie Weiss, the Bruce Smith,

the Derrick Thomas, rest your soul, the Von Millers, the Aaron Donalds, the JJ Watts.

Tell me the great defensive player that you heard have a microphone, get up on the platform and complain that they're not getting calls.

Yeah.

You can't do that, huh?

You can't do that.

As a player, I mean,

I'm thinking about myself as a receiver.

I ain't complaining about no holding because I'm getting hell.

That's my fault.

That's my plug.

Micah Parsons is too good.

He's too great at his position.

He's too great at what he does.

And obviously, on the other thing, on the flip side of things, referees are graded.

Those referees want to be able to call that Super Bowl.

So the better.

Playoffs, Super Bowl, absolutely.

Listen, that's a check.

That's money for them.

So they want to make as many calls as possible based on what they can see with the naked eye.

Do they miss some calls sometimes?

Of course.

It's human error.

It happens.

But they want to grade as high as possible so they can be in those playoff games.

So they can, so their team as a unit can be in the Super Bowl.

They're graded.

So they're not just missing calls on purpose, but also as a player, a player of your magnitude, man, you shouldn't worry about that.

If you get in hell, that's on you.

I don't think I've ever, and I could be wrong, but, and my memory is pretty good.

I think I can have great recall.

I don't think I've ever publicly complained.

Oh man, they was holding all game and they ain't call it.

Man, they've been hauling me all year.

I'm I'm gonna play through that.

You call it, you call it.

That ain't my job.

Because to see if I'm because what's gonna happen, I'm gonna all of a sudden start worried about the calls.

They're gonna throw the ball and go beat me up, hit me all in the chest, all upside the head.

And then what?

Then people are gonna be like, Was he holding on that one or did you, or did you just drop it?

Right.

Don't complain, bro.

Micah, you too good.

Way too good.

You're way too good for this.

And it's not, so guess what?

Now, Ocho, I'm gonna keep, hey, I'm gonna keep my pocket sold in my pocket now.

I ain't for the pull it out.

Right.

You trying to put us on blast?

Michael, you, Michael, you're too good.

If you want to be thought of as one of these greats, I mean, let's just take your error.

Miles Garrett ain't complaining.

TJ Wadda ain't complaining.

These guys ain't complaining.

Michael, you're too good.

Who cares about what they're doing with the tush-push?

You're not there.

When you have to defend it, then you worry about that.

You don't have to defend it.

They don't listen.

They don't, first of all, they're not listening to players.

First of all, you're not a quarterback.

They listen to nothing you got to say.

Yeah, they only listen to quarterbacks.

That's why they changed the rules.

That's why they let them have the balls.

It used to you get one day, now they get the balls for the whole week.

Now you can't hit the quarterback in the head.

Now you can't hit the quarterback in the knees.

You can't tackle them below the weights in the pocket.

They listen to quarterbacks.

They don't listen to other players because if they did, they wouldn't have the rules that they have.

That's weighted against the defense.

Come on, Michael, man.

You got to stop this, bro.

Right.

And the funny thing about it is the game game now in this era is changed.

It's handicapped.

It's handicapped for the this.

It's handicapped in the way in favor of the offense.

Correct.

You already know that.

It's the deepest of player.

Just continue to play, play through contact, play through the holes.

Those calls are going to come.

They're going to come.

Don't even worry about it.

Just continue to play as well as you always do.

That's it.

Play to what we know you can do.

Being one of the best at your position.

There's a reason why you paid as much as you are.

Oh, Joe.

what you do is that you have your coach you have your video department cut it up the holding calls have your head coach to send it in yeah that's what you do yeah hey I'm gonna take it out of my hands but have the video department that's what everybody else does I guarantee you that's what the Steelers does that's what the Cleveland Browns does anybody that has a pass rusher this is what they do okay if I got a good if I got a good receiver and I believe he's getting held I'll go to I'll cut it up and I'll send it to the official.

Here are the plays that we believe he was held in this game.

These are the plays that we believe the guy got offside.

These are the plays.

That's what you do.

But you, because people are going to look at you as like you're complaining.

Like the reason why, because now I think he got one sack, maybe two sacks.

And people like, oh, you're making $47 million a year and here we are, six games in.

And you got one sack.

You got two sacks?

Yeah.

It's going to look like you're complaining.

And I don't think Micah is a complainer.

I know he's frustrated because when you get that kind of big money, Ocho, you know, you've gotten paid.

The one thing you want to do, you want to go show the world why they paid you the big dollars.

And I ain't tried, I ain't tried to like, hey, the moment I get that money, oh man, Ocho got paid.

Yeah, let me go on.

Let me go on out here and drop me about a 150 and two tubs

to let them know why they paid me.

Hey, quick in the hurry and don't hit and don't care who out there and don't care who holding it.

If I get here, it's my fault.

I ain't doing something right.

Yep.

And that's how Micah is going to have to look at it.

But I think the thing is that when you do it, something like this, people are going to look at you.

It's like, man, Michael whining.

He's complaining.

And the other team's like, hey, hold it.

Make them call it.

Make them call it.

And then all he's going to do is get he's going to get more and more frustrated.

So just play through it, Micah.

You're too good of a player to let stuff like this.

I get it.

I know you're frustrated.

First of all, I don't believe Micah.

I don't believe...

This is why you got to be careful with what you say because when things weren't going his way where he said he tweeted he wanted to he wanted to get traded he put on x he wanted to get traded i no longer want to be a cowboy he said he said that ocho

a lot of times we say it all the time ojo with emotionless hour logic is low be careful there's power in the tongue yeah

yeah He said he want, that's not what he really wanted.

He wanted to put the pressure on the cowboys.

But you had already backed Jerry in the corner.

Jerry wasn't backing down.

Right.

Oh, you had already, you already, you already had backed the man in the corner.

Uh, he felt he had a handshake deal.

And now you come in, and this is what I'm just telling you.

What Jerry felt.

Jerry is a man.

First of all, you know how people in power, people in position of power, people that have money.

Yeah, they ain't backing down now.

Hold on.

You're not finna bully.

You're not finna bully not many owners.

On nothing.

Not many owners.

Absolutely not.

No.

No.

So

where they, that's, that's, that's what happened.

But, Micah, just keep playing.

There come, you understand, sacks are like, sacks are like bananas and grapes.

They come in bunches.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, you might go, oh, Joe, you might go a game or two and not get any.

And then you'll go three games where you have six.

Yep.

And the next thing you know, you're like, you look up, like, damn, Micah got seven sacks.

Uh-huh.

That fast.

And that's just how it happened.

It always happens like that.

Yes.

It always happens like that.

Hell, sometimes you're going to get you.

Hey, I go two for 35.

I go four for 60.

Damn, man.

Man, in one game, man, shoot, 11, 260.

6 for 190.

Well, God damn, what happened?

There you go.

And it happened.

That's how it worked, Joe.

I'll be every time.

Matter of fact, 25.

Look at Chase.

Two weeks ago,

40 yards.

Yep.

Look at the past two weeks.

It's the nature of the business.

It's the nature of the game.

It always happens like that.

You're not going to go crazy every week, no matter how great you are.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But it goes, you know.

I mean, but here's the thing.

Chase, Chase crazy at 16.

His

good sense, he gets nine.

That's the thing.

You look at him against Green Bay, he had nine.

Like, damn, we slowed him down.

Now you pop off with 16.

He got 25 catches in two games.

So where he was, you're like, bam, hey, Chase ain't winning no triple crowd this year.

Yeah.

You sure about that?

Yeah.

Hey, you sure?

Hey.

Because he

popped off again.

It's amazing.

It's amazing.

It's amazing what happens when you get a quarterback.

40 years old, 50 years old, if you can throw and sling the ball and they can keep you upright so you can deliver said ball, this is what you get.

And it's not easy because we had Dick Browning.

Well, hell, he should be able to do it.

No, now you take Joe Flacco, who got benched in Cleveland, and you put him here in a Bengals offense with elite talent around him at the receiver position,

a decent running back, an offensive line that everybody been talking trash about,

and

they play their part.

That's it.

We are going to win.

Everything starts up front.

Everything.

Hey, look.

Do your job.

Whatever your job is, whatever your job,

whatever is required

you to do to do your job, that's what you got to do.

Don't worry, I'm not worried.

Listen, I'm not worried about the offensive line because that ain't my job.

Now, when it comes my time, I got a pass block.

Now I got to worry about it.

Okay, what we got?

Who am I Gilligan?

I'm on an island.

Where am I protected at?

Sharpie, I got you inside.

So I can sit heavy outside knowing I got help inside.

If I ain't got no help inside, I got to sit down inside and then hopefully I can run his ass by the quarterback, the quarterback can step up.

But you just got to do your job.

I can't worry about it.

I can't worry about what the safety is doing, or what the linebacker is doing, what the DN doing, Ocho.

I got to worry about what A4 is doing.

That's it.

Because at the end of the day, I'm getting graded.

I'm getting graded on what I'm doing, not whether or not worried about what somebody else is doing.

Yeah.

Tua apologized for criticizing teammates for being late to a players-only meeting.

Let's take a listen to what Tua had to say.

Here's his full statement: Made a mistake and I'm owning up to that right now.

You know, I've talked to guys on the team about it, talked to the leaders about it, and

they know my heart.

They know that

the intent was right.

But no matter the intent,

the intent can be right.

But when things get misconstrued or however the media wants to portray it, you know, that leaves a void of silence and a lot of questions for the guys on our team.

Now, being one in five, you know, we talk a lot about, all right, we got to get this going, we got to get this going, come in excited to go to work, forget about the noise, and I feel like I just added on to that for our guys.

You know, for myself, I got to look at myself as the leader, protecting the team.

I don't feel like

I did that to the best of my abilities.

I felt like I let the emotions of the game get to me after the game.

And, you know, that's something that I can learn from as a leader on this team.

And what happens in-house should be protected.

And none of that should have gotten out.

And so want to publicly apologize about that.

Want to move forward.

And now I want to focus on Cleveland Browns.

Hey, I love Tua.

I love him to death.

You know, I love what he stands for.

I love what he represents uh being one in five you also have to be self-aware it's all it's all about being self-aware

if you have meetings if you had things that go inside go on in in-house they have to stay in-house you should know that whether you five in one or whether you one in five there's certain things that you don't talk about to the media as a quarterback as a leader of that team as a person with that c on your chest it is your duty to protect those that are in that locker room.

It's your duty.

So to put it out there in the media and say what some of the other players are doing or haven't done, that is,

you know what?

I'm not going to use the word, I'm not going to use that word tonight, but

you're throwing people under the bus.

You can't do that.

You just can't.

You can't always be truthful.

Sometimes it's okay not to tell the truth.

Come on.

Here's the problem that I have.

You got me.

That would you.

You got me.

That would be.

You got me.

You got me.

You got me.

No, but in all honesty.

Yes, sir.

The only problem I have with this, now the media misconstrued it.

Yes.

How do the players, okay, if you said what you said, the meters didn't say anything.

Your teammates heard what you said.

Yeah.

So if anybody misconstrued it, they misconstrued it because the media didn't put no spin on it.

All they did was have a bunch of microphones and tape recorders there.

You said what you said unprompted.

Yes.

Unprompted.

So and to use Ocho's term, he dry snitched.

Ain't nobody asked him, did players come late for practice?

Was

when you had a players-only meeting, the media didn't know nothing about, didn't know anything about that meeting.

You brought that up.

And then you also brought up that there are players that were late or didn't or didn't arrive on time or maybe didn't even come to the meeting at all.

You did that.

How is it?

You see, that's the problem that I have.

Just own up to it and say, you know what?

I was wrong.

Don't add the media.

The media didn't do anything.

All they did was put the microphones in front of you and you volunteer that.

So in other words, you dry snitch unprompted information that no one asked you for.

Now, with that being said,

there was no choice.

And I saw in the chat someone said if that was Tom Brady or

Troy Aikman, everybody would have been there on time.

I told y'all that the other day.

They don't respect them as a leader.

But y'all don't want to, see,

because I'm not in the locker room, you don't think I know what I'm talking about, but I've been a leader.

And I guarantee you, every time I've called a meeting, which wasn't very many, or anytime I had something, guys showed up on time

because there was a respect level there that was earned.

Not what I deserved based on what I had done.

I had earned the right to call a meeting based on the way I conducted myself, the way I played, the way I practiced, the way I met, and what I had accomplished.

So I had earned their respect.

Yeah.

You're right.

And you know what?

Matter of fact,

if they did have a meeting that they didn't show up to or they weren't on time, and this could be a tall tale on why they didn't.

Yeah, for sure.

Look what happens.

Look, I mean, so there might be an underlying issue that we don't even know about that has been going on.

Well, to the fact that...

issue oh well

let's keep it

as two guys that spent time in locker rooms yes that played the game at an extreme high level

he's it yeah i it's it's unfortunate and you know what even though he came out and apologized it's too late now because how do you think that taste that bad taste that's in those players mouths that you talked about that know they were late or won on time to that meeting How do you think the other teammates feel?

How do you think they're looking at, even though he's the quarterback, how do you think they're viewing you now?

It's not the same, Monk, and it will never be the same.

So, this makes everything even worse on top of being one in five.

Yes, forget the football aspect because now you open up a whole new can of worms.

I give you a prime example, Ocho.

You're in the courtroom.

Yeah.

One of the attorneys says something.

The other attorney stands up and says, I object.

Right.

The judge says, sustain.

How do I make the jury unhear what they heard?

They heard it.

Whether it's sustained,

doesn't matter.

Too late.

Or he'll allow it.

I've already heard what that man wanted me to get out.

He or she wanted to say.

So you can't make me unhear what I heard.

I get the apology.

The best apology is change behavior.

We're going to see moving forward.

The greater the player, the greater the leeway is.

That's with anything.

First of all, when you say Troy Eggman and Tom Brady, first of all, Tua is not on that level.

Second of all, they've garnered so much respect.

You see how the players went the bat for Troy.

Tom Brady, that's a whole different animal.

Don't ever put Tom Brady.

Tom Brady, he's reserved.

There might have been three or four other guys in the history of the game that garnered the respect that Tom Brady.

Tua isn't one of those three or four guys.

With that being said,

you have to be mindful, Ocho, because...

And this is what I tell guys that I think at some point in time will be leaders.

You don't know who's actually watching you, what you do, what you say, how you do it.

Right.

But all I can tell you is this, if they see you behave in a certain type of manner and you make money and you get things, they'll behave that same way because they believe that is acceptable behavior.

Right.

So

even though you don't know who's watching, if they're watching or why they're watching,

just always try to put your best foot forward.

That's all you can do.

He will learn from this.

Hopefully, it's hard for me to believe that a guy that played at Alabama, played at such a high level, at such a prestigious program, wouldn't know that you can't throw teammates under the bus.

That sometimes, Ocho, sometimes, look, and we talked about this, Ocho, all the time.

As a coach, sometimes you got to lie to your players.

Even if you don't think they can win, hey, we can beat these teams.

We can beat them.

Hey, we do X, Y, and Z.

Sometimes you got to lie because sometimes it caused great hurt, harm, or embarrassment.

Yes.

And it might have caused all three.

Now, like you said,

how do we get that back?

I'm not so sure.

Because I'm thinking, bro, when you go home, you'll be pillow talking like a mofo.

Yeah,

it's no way to get that back, huh?

There's no way to get it back.

There's only one thing that cures everything.

There's one thing that cures everything.

Winning, and I don't know if they could do that.

My point, exactly.

Winning is the only thing that can cure it, but I still think they won't view him the same in that same light no matter what.

You can apologize, you can say everything, you can talk to him quite, you know, privately, but once you leave that locker room and you're out of that space that's supposed to give you, you don't have to worry about any of the bullshit you got to deal with on the outside world, wait a minute, now I got to deal with it when I come to work,

my own quarterback?

Right.

Nah, man, they never gonna look at it the same.

That's why I say that's what quarterbacks, if you notice the most of the great quarterbacks, no matter how good they play or how bad they play, they always take responsibility.

When Peyton Manning, they lost the game, Peyton Manning said, I got to play better.

It's on me.

Tom Brady says, I got to play better.

John Elwyn, guys would always say, I need to play better.

They never said, even though they played great, a drop pass here, a missed assignment there, the defense gave up 12 points late.

They always put the onus on themselves.

That's a part of being a leader.

If you're the leader, Even though somebody made a mistake, I'll take it.

That's on me.

Now, I'll call them and say, hey, we need to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Make sure we get it corrected, but this is on me.

And that's what Tua needs to understand.

You would like to thank a guy that's been the quarterback for an extended period of time at levels.

He's a high school quarterback.

Normally, the quarterback

is the leader.

Not always, but the majority of the time.

I would say 80% of the time, because a lot of times the best player is the quarterback, OJ.

So he's normally the leader.

In college, it probably kicks up

85%.

In the pros,

I don't know if I've ever seen a starting quarterback that didn't have the seat since they've been allowed it.

Have you?

No.

I haven't either.

So with that being said, he just has to be mindful.

It's a mind feel

of what's going on.

And it's easy to get frustrated, especially, like you said, when you're losing.

You're one and five.

Because if they're five and one and they're six and oh, ain't nobody.

Hey, we're not having this conversation.

ain't nobody said a word.

We're not having this conversation.

You should have nipped this in the bud a year ago or two years ago when you were winning and you were allowing guys to show up late.

That's when you nip it in the bud,

but you allow things in a win.

Now it's a problem when you lose.

Yeah.

You see, when you lose, Ocho, it's not how we play it on the field.

It's all the other things.

Right.

All the other things.

Like I said, you don't win a football game on Sunday.

You win a football game Monday through Friday.

Yes.

That's when you win the games in your, how we meet.

How do we practice?

how do we study, how do we prepare, did we get treatment like we're supposed to?

If we got a little nagging, did we take care of it before it became a big issue?

Right.

Hopefully, Tu will learn this lesson.

Yeah.

Hopefully he does.

It is tough because if they don't start winning games,

it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

And I, and I, and look, like I said, the greatest apology is change behavior.

We're going to see.

Go ahead, Ocho.

right you change behavior well it's not change behavior off the off the field it's to change behavior on the field correct you know what the best sorry is for his teammates what your performance yes and how you play being the difference maker being that you are the quarterback being that you do make the most money on the field that means your level of play has to be up here it has to be eons above everybody else especially when you come out and you do something like this Well, hold on.

You can't be stinking at the joint.

No.

Then going in front of the camera and telling what we got going on behind closed doors, and then looking like, you know, what I don't know.

No, you, you can't, you can't.

You should have been wrong.

You got the whole locker room looking at you funny.

I'm telling, I'm telling you,

and I'm not even in there.

I'm telling you,

he could fix it, but he could fix it with his play.

With his play, it'd be all smiles.

If

even if he would have been wrong, even if he had thrown for 400 yards and four touchdowns, yeah

ex he exacerbated

the term

aggravate which means to make worse he aggravated the situation it was already bad ocho but he aggravated the situation why ocho because he threw three picks so he made a situation that was bad he made it worse with his plate yeah well listen it was already a fire right it was already a fire Yep.

So it was already a fire.

He took the goddamn gasoline

and threw it on the fire.

Mm-hmm.

Well, shit, all it did was make the fire goddamn bigger.

It made it worse.

Made it worse.

Now you're going to have hell putting it out.

But you're.

Is that me or you, Ocho?

What'd I do?

I'm right here.

I'm looking at you.

Oh, okay.

Because for a second, I couldn't hear you.

Oh, yeah.

I'm good.

I'm good.

You sure?

Yeah.

You're good.

And what has happened, Ocho, is that for a fire to burn, it needs oxygen.

What he gave the fire was oxygen.

A lot of.

A fire will not burn.

Hey, you could have the biggest fire rob it

of its oxygen.

You see a candle?

Put a jar over the candle.

And it can't get any more oxygen.

It'll go out.

You gave it oxygen.

That's why when people say things, Ocho, we have to be careful how we respond because we're giving it oxygen and it'll keep burning.

See, things will burn as long as it has oxygen.

Let it die out.

He could have just let it die out.

Oh, yeah, I understand that he's seething.

I understand that he's upset.

You're losing ball games that you don't think you should have lost.

Guys are

coming in two minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes, however many late.

They're late to meet it, late to practice.

You know, it doesn't seem to be important.

They're not as attentive as they need to be.

Yes, it can get frustrating, especially, especially.

And like I said, I don't know what he's actually like.

I've been around players that it was the end all be all.

Everybody is not like that, the end all be all.

But if it's probably, it was probably bothering him, he's like, well, this is probably why we're losing.

Guys are not taking this as serious as they need to.

Okay.

But if they had, if they held you in such high regard, if they respected you as the leader, they're not coming late.

No.

They're just not.

I mean, little things, don't you?

Hey, man, check this out, man.

We need, hey, let's do something.

Let's go to the movies.

After a workout on Monday, guess what?

15, 20 of us go to the movies.

Yeah.

Hey, man, let's go bowling.

15, 20 of us go bowling.

It's things like that.

Yeah.

But they got to respect you.

Guys don't respect you.

They're going to blow you off.

It's really that simple.

Two of you are going to have to play better.

You're going to have to be better.

Not just on the field.

Because leadership is just not a call and plays and then the holding you got to see on your jersey.

It's off the field, Ocho.

It's the things, it's things like that.

You suppress things that Mike McDaniel or upstairs don't even know about.

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