Deebo & Joe - REACTION to MNF: Seahawks-Texans & Bucs-Lions + Dolphins DUMPSTER FIRE

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Speaker 6 Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.
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Speaker 6 How you doing today, Joe? Man, I'm doing good, Debo. You know, I'm doing good.
I'm happy that we back, you know, live today. I know you've messed up the whole Wi-Fi system.

Speaker 6 Yesterday, you didn't want to talk about no Brownies, so I'm glad to be back here with you so we can talk this good football.

Speaker 6 The Browns, you know.

Speaker 6 That's going to have to wait. That's the kind of old news.
If we get to it, we get to it. But

Speaker 6 we got to talk about these Lions. We got to talk about the Monday night first.

Speaker 6 We got to. The Lions went on head out there and

Speaker 6 they put their hands on Detroit. First possession, they pop out and they hit one for 30 and 27.
A little short one, though, that went for 27 for a tutty. Jumped on their neck immediately.
7-0, bro.

Speaker 6 It was. Amaron St.
Brown, tutty off rips. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 It was good. Then Tampa come out there.
They can't do nothing. The defense was doing their thing.
You know, they bopping three and out. Immediately, you know, Detroit comes back out there and,

Speaker 6 man, sack fumble, dude. Tampa.
The defense was playing well. Yeah.
The defense is playing well early.

Speaker 6 No, I don't know about too good early. They did enough early to make sure it didn't get too reckless.
That it didn't get out of pocket.

Speaker 6 The Lions helped them out, but you know, there was a little bit of turnovers. That means means something.

Speaker 6 But Tampa didn't, on that turnover, same thing. It was another three out.
They didn't do anything, you know, to convert on it.

Speaker 6 And then the following possession, Detroit goes and they go for it, you know, for four on fourth at the 12-yard line and don't convert. Wilding out.
Yeah. I mean, you know, that's.

Speaker 6 That's what he does, though. That's

Speaker 6 what they do.

Speaker 6 No, no, he wasn't wilding out. I like that.
I like that. He's aggressive.
He believes in the squad. Yeah.
And then, like you said, the defenses was playing.

Speaker 6 You know, you just got punt, punt, punt you know detroit gets back out there and that man

Speaker 6 gibbs went on head and showed him with 22 22 miles an hour 70 the safety he couldn't even catch him

Speaker 6 yeah he had the angle he ran away from his angle broke his angle ran broke his angle yeah gibbs got Gibbs has speed. Gibbs got Olympic speed.
As soon as I saw him let loose, I was like, oh, he gone.

Speaker 6 He gone. I said, he gone.
Oh, yeah. That dude, he 22 miles.

Speaker 6 He was floating, floating bro he was floating i said he gone man detroit get down there right before i think the two minute they kick a field goal and they missed the field goal dude yes that was big oh no then we went yep yep that was big and then you know they get back they able to stop him but

Speaker 6 tampa they interception come back through detroit say you know what man i'm i'm i'm gonna have to return the favor

Speaker 6 do it right back through

Speaker 6 do it right back to him right back to him do it right back to him tampa tampa able to go down there and get a get a quick get a quick three three before yep they get a quick three points now it's three to 14.

Speaker 6 you know looking at it from you know just a halftime thing you're looking like yo this game should have been way more out of control than than what it ended up being you know three to 14 right there at the half yep and you have tampa They come out, you know, beginning of that.

Speaker 6 I believe it beginning of that third quarter. They drive down the field.
They score a touchdown, but they end up going for that two. They missed the two.

Speaker 6 That dude Tez Johnson, 15 with that athletic play, catching it, jumping over people, getting into the zone. That was five.
Yeah, but Detroit comes right back, bro. They answer.

Speaker 6 Bro, Gibbs, the whole way.

Speaker 6 Bro, Gibbs was running through them dudes, bro, the whole time.

Speaker 6 Having like having this play the 21 to 21 to 9 now yep and then later tampa goes for it

Speaker 6 they get it they think they got it but later on the review thought he got it i didn't think he got it you didn't think he got it knee actually touched the ground the ball is short you can see it right there especially when they got that that side view right there you can see it like he's he's like that far from from the line but that's you know what i'm saying that's yeah no that's what matters yep Yep, yep, yep, game,

Speaker 6 yeah. So, that's short.
They're able to, you know, go ahead and bank in the doink joint, bank, bank the field goal. So, that that's that's right there.
That put them up 24 to nine.

Speaker 6 And Tampa goes and they do a 19 plays dude, convert two of the two fourth downs, okay.

Speaker 6 And then they use up, I think, almost six minutes, but on their third, fourth down, they don't don't convert it. They get no points.

Speaker 6 They then used up so much clock, you know, that they're able to, you know, get the ball back. But basically, you know, it's over from there.
Yep. They get another turnover on Downs.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and they, you know, they end up running the clock out. But dude, Gibbs, 71,

Speaker 6 136 on the rush, another three for 82 on receiving. This dude had 218 yards total, bro.

Speaker 6 And then, like, he almost had more than all of Tampa had together. St.
Brown went on here, added another six for 86.

Speaker 6 Detroit's offensive line was working, doing their thing. The defensive line was working, doing their thing.
Had Baker under pressure all night, dude.

Speaker 6 He couldn't step into a lot of his throws. And then some of the throws that, you know, he...

Speaker 6 could step in or couldn't step into he was just trying to fire him so hard that he was just making high throws to where you know the guys just couldn't even you know get get up to him and get and catch him and the dbs dude the dvs for for for detroit they did their thing dude oh

Speaker 6 yeah how many starters was in there bro it wasn't what maybe what one or two of them it was one or two and my man 23 he was out there walking he wasn't even supposed to be out there playing balling making plays you know what i'm saying making plays on the ball and they're aggressive i like the way that they get after people punching stripping the balls out like i mean my man uh sterling shepherd he caught it and then they were able to just, they're ball hawking.

Speaker 6 They're going after the ball. They're not just having to.
They're not just tackling.

Speaker 6 They sure in the tackle and punching the ball, dude. Yes.
First man, secure. Second man, get the rock.
Like you see them video. Dude, they doing it by themselves, secure and punch, dude.
He was like,

Speaker 6 get it back.

Speaker 6 I need that. So yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, for sure. Detroit was balling.
And that's why I think that team did that because it's an offense and defense. I think they left a lot of things on the table.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 But they're an aggressive aggressive team going forward on some of the fourth downs uh golf throwing some uh invalid interceptions you know i'm saying that normally doesn't happen but right you see when they start giving the ball to gibbs get the ball in his hands uh let that thing uh go and then play action and throw it to amarante brown you know what i'm saying he's very they have so many you got to realize they got a two-headed monster over there they they got gibbs and montgomery they do you know usually if one ain't going the other one is so it's kind of hard to bottle up you know two guys like that especially when you're giving them enough enough, you know, you're giving them enough touches, you know,

Speaker 6 it's hard to keep that going, you know.

Speaker 6 I'm rocking with what I see with Detroit, though. They look like a really good team.
I'm saying they had a couple little miscues, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 That game couldn't have, it didn't have to be that close. You know what I'm saying? I thought they were able to blow them dudes completely out because

Speaker 6 every time they thought they was going to get a chance, that defense will make a play and get a ball back to the offense. They're like, all right, bet, now we're going to go handle this.

Speaker 6 So, I mean, shout out to the Lions. They look good.

Speaker 6 I'm not discouraged with Tampa. Everybody's like, oh, Baker, this, that, I'm not.

Speaker 6 No, I'm not, I'm not tripping on that. It's not, it's not going to be every game that you go get that, that amount of pressure on him and have him have that many high-erring throws.
Like, you know,

Speaker 6 I still, I still believe, you know, Baker is still, you know, one of the top guys this year. So.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 6 And then also him, him out there with, he was still trying to do it with a Mike Evans that was kind of not healthy and him hurting himself, man. Shout out to Mike.
I hope that he's able to heal.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? Whatever. He got to get his surgery or whatever it is.
Yeah. He broke his clavicle.

Speaker 6 You hate to see, you hate to hate to see that because he's a, you know, he's a baller, great dude.

Speaker 6 But just that, that's another reason why, like, he, him and

Speaker 6 Mbuka was a little injured too out there. So

Speaker 6 just, I believe in Baker. I believe in offense.
This is a one-time thing. The whole secondary of Detroit was depleted now.

Speaker 6 That's their next, their next man up, balling. And they've been doing that for a while.
You know,

Speaker 6 they were stepping by injuries last year you know what i'm saying and then people just i i love their coach the right way in my opinion too so i think that coach got next man up these dudes better be ready to go and i think that they're showing it yeah yeah definitely that's something that's something that uh everybody gives uh lip service to but there's very few that can go in there and and and get it done and get some semblance of you know the guy that they're they're replacing you know especially once they're getting into you know they're bringing up practice squad guys and all that other stuff too you know like that that was

Speaker 6 that was wild bro to see that that kind of performance

Speaker 6 it's kind of man i i think that's that's an example of for sure like next man up but like you said too you your coaches have to be able to like you got to have them dudes ready to play you're not just throwing them out there dude looked ready you know what i like about uh uh Detroit is a lot of their coaches are former players.

Speaker 6 And when you have a coach coaching a position or a side of a ball that has played that position, that side of the ball, for him to give you the nuances of the position, you know, for me, Coach Butler, I give him, I give Coach Butts all the credit for developing me as a linebacker.

Speaker 6 Like he's the guy that taught me to, you know, play something like this or what's the difficulties of this and knowing that, you know what, this is going to be hard to do, but it's difficulties in everybody's position and job.

Speaker 6 And that's something you're going to go out there and you're going to have to do and being able to just foot positioning of being lined up to where okay i'm going to make this job easier like instead of lining up with my you know

Speaker 6 outside outside foot up and you know i'm going to rush the passer that means i got to step with my inside foot first.

Speaker 6 So if he actually comes to hook me, I just helped him hook me because I'm stepping with the opposite foot.

Speaker 6 That's why you always supposed to line up with your inside foot up because your first step is your outside. So if he's coming to hook you, you can jam him and stay there.

Speaker 6 If he's blocking down, you're planning to be able to squeeze down and close off that gap. Like, you know, it's things like that.
And they have a lot of coaches. They got,

Speaker 6 I believe they got Deshay Townsend. He's the

Speaker 6 DB coach. I believe they have

Speaker 6 Antoine Randall. I believe he's over there too yeah the de coordinator is a former linebacker you know like

Speaker 6 like when you and when you look at his you know just

Speaker 6 how long has he been there in uh detroit um the head coach

Speaker 6 when you when you look at his coaching tree like it's spread out and he's only been there what six years or so yeah

Speaker 6 four or five something like that four to six years i don't you know it hasn't been that long it hasn't been that long right and and you know he got guys spread all over the place you know and he's not afraid to put, you know, people in positions to help advance them, even though that may mean he may lose some credibility.

Speaker 6 But you don't lose the credibility, you gain it because you're putting people in there that you're seeing the potential of and they're going out and having success.

Speaker 6 And when you have that dude, that's. you know, that just speaks to what kind of coach he is, you know, what kind of leader he is.
No, 1000%.

Speaker 6 Because that's, that it speaks volumes.

Speaker 6 Because at the end of the day, when I, when you watch that stuff, man, and like you said, when you had a coach that played the position and can show you nuances and the conversation. I am in.
I'm not,

Speaker 6 and it can also tell you you can't do everything. Like, I need you to handle this.
So, but if this happens, that's on the defense. You got to be able to make this play.

Speaker 6 Like, not everything is your fault. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't be able to, like, having a coach that can understand that part is one of the biggest things.

Speaker 6 I'm like, man, I can go hard for you because you're not going to be sitting there like, no, you're supposed to do this. You're supposed to do that.

Speaker 6 Tell me exactly what I'm going to do, my alignment, my assignment.

Speaker 6 Some things I'm going to be able to take away this on this inside leverage he does not get inside if he runs an outside breaking route it may be a catch and tackle next play that's that calls on the defense i can respect the coach so much harder that can tell me that than the man's like no he doesn't catch anything like no out in like if a coach told me if you're trying to cover everything you're covering nothing exactly and that's something that de coordinators have to just be like you know what if this hits it's on the defense you can't try and fix every little situation because when you fix the one you open up two more every defense has a weakness.

Speaker 6 And these coordinators, they're like, hey, if they hit this, it's on us. We got to just rally and tackle.
Yes. Tackle.
Let's go.

Speaker 6 And like I said, like you look at him, I think he got two head coaches already in his coaching tree. You got

Speaker 6 what's his name in Chicago?

Speaker 6 What's his name?

Speaker 6 Was Aaron Glenn in Detroit? Aaron Glenn, also in New York. Yes.

Speaker 6 Ben Johnson in Chicago. You got Aaron Glenn that's at the Jets.

Speaker 6 Guys are going from, you know, coaching at positional coach to coordinators, being a coordinator to a head coach. Like the linebackers coach, look at him right there.
He's the D coordinator. He,

Speaker 6 like, that.

Speaker 6 How many people would have thought that he would be able to do what he's been doing? Like, first year, D coordinator. Like, yo, you buy in when it's a former player.

Speaker 6 You buy in when it's a person that actually played the game well, understands the game. It's a lot of guys that that play the game well that can't coach it.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 I understand that, but

Speaker 6 you got to be able to give a guy a chance, especially when you see what he did as a player and then how he understood the game as a player.

Speaker 6 I don't, you know, I like, I like what they're doing in Detroit, man. Like Dan Campbell is doing something special, man.
He's giving guys chances. He's not afraid to put guys in position.

Speaker 6 You know, I think some coaches may be afraid to have, you know,

Speaker 6 like have credit taken away from them no

Speaker 6 credit given to you yes you know what i'm saying like that's

Speaker 6 that's that's just how it works you know what i'm saying i feel like that whole i feel like he's holding people accountable over there too you know what i'm saying like oh yes everybody's held accountable everybody's held accountable i think that's a big thing too like it don't if you're if you're a coach that played and you're not a good coach, you're going to be held accountable.

Speaker 6 Like, he's not just giving everybody opportunity, but dudes that are in there, they're balling, like the defensive coordinators. Like, give them a shot.

Speaker 6 And it's not like, no, you're just going to to get this job, this opportunity, because this is what you do. And hopefully you're good.
No, you're going to be held to a standard.

Speaker 6 You're going to be able to coach well, know what you're doing, be able to deliver the message. And if you can't do that, whatever.

Speaker 6 But if you can, he's hiring dudes that obviously can and are bringing the energy, bringing the vibes. And dudes want to fight for those dudes.
I could kind of tell like when you watch them play.

Speaker 6 Yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 6 I'm going to hit it like my dude, Foot, Detroit, Detroit-based Foot, say, hey, Detroit, I see what y'all doing. What up, though?

Speaker 6 What up, though? Look, we're going going to go over here to Seattle, man.

Speaker 6 Seattle beat the Texans 29 to 17, brother. That was a

Speaker 6 interesting game, bro. You know, the first, you know, the first possession of Seattles, they get that little short field.
They score seven.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I think the next possession they ended up getting. I think an unnecessary roughness ended up giving them an extra 15.
Next play, 12-yard touchdown. It's 14-0 before you even turn your head.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? For sure.

Speaker 6 Like, it's 14-0.

Speaker 6 And then later on,

Speaker 6 I think Houston got, it was a safety sack fumble to,

Speaker 6 I don't know what happened there. They gave him two points, then they took the two points away.
I still, I'm still confused on what happened there, but they somehow ended up getting the ball back and

Speaker 6 they didn't really do anything with it. I think the next possession seattle oh we talking about the the the strip the strip time are we talking about did seattle get a touchdown did seattle so

Speaker 6 houston i thought got well seattle got the safety on houston no but then he fumbled the rock he fumbled the rock and they recovered it was a it was a touchdown

Speaker 6 no they said it was a safety then they said it was a touchback

Speaker 6 I don't know. Oh, okay.
No, I know what you want to talk about. Yeah,

Speaker 6 I don't know how that works. Yeah.
Then Seattle goes, and I don't know why they tried to do a trick play.

Speaker 6 Oh, my gosh. They were balling.
Just walking around and down the gas. The Cooper Cup threw the perfect pick.

Speaker 6 Hey, the

Speaker 6 man threw the perfect pick, bro. Like, that

Speaker 6 I'm like,

Speaker 6 usually you get, you know, usually you want to try and make sure it's short, if anything.

Speaker 6 Like, he, it was out far and over the head straight to homeboy like man that wasn't good that was that was bad business yeah that that was they was able to get three points off of that

Speaker 6 yeah you end up three to 14 when the game definitely did not look like a a three to 14 game at that time because the houston um the um seahawk defense was balling yes they just kept making houston punt punt punt punt punt nothing was happening y'all were about to be able to get up 21 egg walking it down and then you do then you out trick yourself and throw then, and then you come back,

Speaker 6 you get the ball, you drive down there, and you right before the two-minute warning, you get your field go-get your field goal block.

Speaker 6 You're thinking you're going into halftime, you get your field goal block, and then they go down and get a field goal on you. Right.
No, it's we got an eight-point game now.

Speaker 6 It's six to 14. It's not supposed to be that way.
It's supposed to be a 21, probably 21-0. Worst case scenario, 17.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 6 wow,

Speaker 6 yeah, I was, I was, I was, I was a, I was a little uh disappointed. I won't, I won't say I was, I was just disappointed.

Speaker 6 I'm always disappointed when defenses don't hold, especially when it's, it's, uh,

Speaker 6 it don't, it don't matter. It's a defense playing against the Steelers.
If they're playing against Steelers, I want to fail every time, though. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't never want to, I don't want to be able to stop nothing.

Speaker 6 You want to have a, I have a bad

Speaker 6 worst defensive day ever when you're playing against Pittsburgh. Yeah,

Speaker 6 yeah.

Speaker 6 And so, you know, you game close. You're thinking it's about to go ahead and

Speaker 6 your boy to go out there and throw him a good pick as soon as they come back out.

Speaker 6 Fresh out of halftime. Second play.
Hey. Second play.
Boom. No.

Speaker 6 Here you go. You know that field goal y'all missed here.
Go ahead, get it back. 17, 17, 176.
Now, man. Yep.

Speaker 6 You know, Seattle, get it back. Seattle's, I think the following possession, Seattle ended up getting it.
And Houston gets a sack fumble, bruh, for a touchdown, bro.

Speaker 6 How'd that happen?

Speaker 6 When, see, hold on. Did Seattle got the strip sack?

Speaker 6 Seattle got strip sacked. Houston.
Yes.

Speaker 6 Houston gets the sack fumble for the touchdown. For the touchdown.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yes, yes.
Yeah. It's a fight.
It's a fight.

Speaker 6 the two, though. It's 17-12, and Houston's defense is fighting back.
Like, they ended up, they got points without even scoring on offense. Right, right, dude.
So, the offense is not helping them.

Speaker 6 Seattle able to come back and answer. Field goal.
Field goal, you know.

Speaker 6 And then you get into the, you know, you get into the fourth goal. Oh, no.
This is when it gets crazy, Debo. Now, Houston gets to join on the third.
They go for it on third and one and fourth and one.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 6 and it's and but that's that's nothing to do with that's your offensive line getting pushed back them dudes it was in the backfield on both of those players they reset the line the last one they lost two yards on it bro

Speaker 6 that's that's yeah you're not good that's not winning football you try to go hard like yeah we're gonna get we got we can we get can we get a yard no right you can't

Speaker 6 right you that's yeah that's that's all that's all on the offensive line that's that that's just offense period You gave them a short field. They've been going down.

Speaker 6 You've been spotty at best on trying to stop them. They score another touchdown.
It's 12 to 27, dude. Yep.

Speaker 6 I don't.

Speaker 6 Like again,

Speaker 6 for Houston, that number was actually kind of good, depending on

Speaker 6 how you look at the way they were playing, especially. Yeah, no, for sure.
They feel like they still in it.

Speaker 6 It could have been way uglier than that.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and Seattle went out and helped them out they fumbled the ball houston recovers it that's that's you know early in the fourth quarter but that but that but that's what i'm saying too it wasn't even that he he just accidentally fumbled it they ripping at the ball

Speaker 6 they was going they was going to hold it

Speaker 6 you got to hold it gotta hold it yeah they don't get nothing from it but then go and throw an interception yes man give it right back to him again

Speaker 6 He threw the wrong way. Stingley.
And then the Seattle. So he threw the ball away.
Then they get the ball back and then Stingley gets a pit.

Speaker 6 And then they went crazy on the sideline. They got a little shuffler.
Joy, you see the ref come

Speaker 6 up, making sure he's safe. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I got you. I got you.
I got you, bro. I got you.
I got you.

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Speaker 6 Look, guess what about Bad Total? He said, oh, he got him in his fantasy. I said, y'all better chill.

Speaker 6 Even Houston gets a touchdown, though. With just, I think, was just uh, just over two minutes left.
Yes, yeah, dude, we're in dog fight now. 19.

Speaker 6 Well, what could have been dog fight, you know, 19 to 27,

Speaker 6 you know. And then Seattle, dude, they get that

Speaker 6 Houston. Well, Seattle gets the ball, then Houston gets that unnecessary roughness, dude, on that third down.
And basically, that gives them the first.

Speaker 6 They're able to do what they need to do, game over. Look the clock, yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 6 Houston, houston dude they got an offense problem dude they they they can't run the ball at all they not consistently on anything they're not protecting they're not protecting the quarterback they couldn't at least do do anything i think they sacked him what three times and and hit him another eight eight eight or seven eight nine times something like that um

Speaker 6 you know and then when they get down in the red zone dude they gotta they gotta score touchdowns they can't they can't they can't keep keep kicking field goals I'm going to say it was a big time for me.

Speaker 6 It was a lot of offensive line. You know, just a lot, just certain plays.
They're getting no push and he's not getting too much protection.

Speaker 6 I think they got to do better on the offensive line side because those third and ones, those third and those, I mean, those third and ones, those fourth and ones,

Speaker 6 one in the third quarter where they didn't get nothing. And then, you know,

Speaker 6 Seattle

Speaker 6 goes and

Speaker 6 gets a touchdown from it. That's, dude, that's a hell of a high point swing right there.

Speaker 6 Along with, you know, penalties, penalties hurting too, that kept drives going, stopped drives, all, you know, all that stuff.

Speaker 6 But Houston's defense, dude, you know,

Speaker 6 they're, they're, they're balling, but, you know, like again, that the big, the big play at the end, you know, it magnifies when you're towards the end, but the defense is nowhere near at fault for this.

Speaker 6 It's the offense. They gotta, they gotta, they gotta, they gotta get something done.

Speaker 6 You know, Seattle, of course, came out early and jumped on them, but, you know, they were able to hold that, you know, to what they, you know, what they needed to as far as coming into halftime you know

Speaker 6 half time

Speaker 6 all of that started off with all that happening

Speaker 6 yeah and you know the fourth downs when you're going forward on fourth downs they they went over three houston went over three on fourth downs like those are bad turnovers man that's like yes

Speaker 6 the pressure on the quarterback the sacks the hits

Speaker 6 you know

Speaker 6 that's just that that's not that's not conducive to uh you know winning games especially you know when you're you're playing against a team that could put points on the board like they did

Speaker 6 and that dude jsn jack and smith and jigba every time they needed a play throw it to him sam darno i think sometimes they people would overthink and if you got one-on-one you got man-to-man and you like your guy over there guy look off and throw it to him you know what i'm saying like sometimes it's just that easy to go against your matchups and sometimes sam darno was doing that and then they were using like a good job running the ball too so shout out to the seahawks that was a good game.

Speaker 6 Texans definitely got to do some showing up on that line and that run game and protect the Seahawks.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 And, you know, that was, that was, um,

Speaker 6 that was Monday night.

Speaker 6 That was how Monday night went, Debo.

Speaker 6 So, but I want to talk about something else. Oh, hold on, hold on.
I want to talk about something else for Monday night.

Speaker 6 So as I was watching the game, I started petting my dog and my dog started talking to me and he said, hi. And I said, hey, how you doing?

Speaker 6 And he said, I'm doing fine. And I said,

Speaker 6 I'm doing fine. No, see, no, Debo, Debo, Debo, you just wasting time.
No, Debo, Debo, don't even do this right now. You're wasting time.

Speaker 6 Brown, you. You're talking about some whole other stuff that we don't even need to talk about.
We got to talk about the Sunday games because we missed Monday.

Speaker 6 You knocked out the Wi-Fi and the whole system. So we weren't able to talk about the Sunday football games.
So that's what we're about to do right now. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 6 I just got a call from Jeff Bezos. I think the internet is about to go down again.

Speaker 6 Devo, stop being foggy.

Speaker 6 Do you know what time it is?

Speaker 6 I think the Browns beat the Dolphins. The Dolphins.
Yes. Let's go there.
31 to 6.

Speaker 6 I guess I gotta go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 6 How'd it go? So this is what I'm saying. I ain't see the game.
So the weather,

Speaker 6 the weather was terrible. The weather was terrible.
It was terrible for both teams, but Miami is not used to that. And it was cold.
I don't want to hear it. Miami, you're professionals.
You're in NFL.

Speaker 6 It was cold outside. It was raining.
Grow up. And a lot of these dudes don't live in Miami all the time.
They played in different places.

Speaker 6 They better be able to know how to play in the wet, in the water, in the snow, in the elements. What are we talking about here? These dudes are making $40 million, $50 million, $60 million a year.

Speaker 6 You better be able to play in rain, sleek, snow, or shine. So it doesn't matter.
They're a Florida-based team. They're not used to that, but go ahead.
Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh.
Okay. Crimea River.

Speaker 6 So long story short, Browns beat the Browns beat the Dolphins 31-0.

Speaker 6 How to go? They won. How? You want to know how they won?

Speaker 6 Let me break down.

Speaker 6 I didn't watch the game. I'm trying to, I want to hear it.
I'm going to tell you exactly how they won. I didn't think it was worth watching two, one and five teams, but go ahead.
This is the thing.

Speaker 6 So the weather was bad.

Speaker 6 So it's not even really a statistical game um right so it's in favor of the browns because miami go ahead you just need to make sure these are the games when you go in if you leave the stadium with the win that's that's all that matters like you got to go out there with a win you the elements the weather you can't really throw the ball as much so look my man

Speaker 6 tua 12 for 23 three picks

Speaker 6 100 yards passing Okay, that's Tua. Like, what are you talking about? Like, that's what our defense did to Tua.
We had three interceptions. Tyson Campbell, a pick six.
Welcome to the squad. We had.

Speaker 6 Tour got benched, bro. Go ahead.
Yeah, Tua got benched. He was supposed to get benched.
He had a long day out there messing with the Browns.

Speaker 6 Hold on, man. I need to get Miami.
Listen, dude. Go ahead.
Go ahead, bro. Fumbling the ball.
They gave y'all the ball. Okay.
Hold on.

Speaker 6 Like, what are we talking about? The Browns only scored a field field goal on the first, what, time they scored because Miami got a roughing the passer penalty. Like, come on.
Miami was helping y'all.

Speaker 6 And then

Speaker 6 I didn't watch the game. I'm just hearing this stuff.

Speaker 6 That's how bad it was.

Speaker 6 I heard they called a fake PI on my guy Minka that took away an interception.

Speaker 6 Like.

Speaker 6 The next play, I believe they went on head. Yeah, he ran a 48-yard touchdown right after that.
was not, I didn't say that that play was that. That play was a little janky.

Speaker 6 I didn't think they made Miami discombobulate, man. They were discombobulating.
Miami had 11 penalties. They were hurting themselves.
They did 11 penalties for 103 yards. Thank you.

Speaker 6 Miami was hurting theirselves. Cleveland Browns offense.
We had Juckins.

Speaker 6 He ran for 86 yards and three touchdowns. But I'm telling you, this is what it was.
The defense ball,

Speaker 6 man.

Speaker 6 The defense balled out. And

Speaker 6 special team. Team sold out.
And special team. They saw the ball.
And special team.

Speaker 6 First drive, Browns, punt. First drive, Dolphins, punt.

Speaker 6 Second drive, Browns. We ended up getting down there, Jukkins, getting it done.
We get three. We go up three.
No, you get three because of a rough in the past. I don't even want to hear that.

Speaker 6 We get down there. We get three.
Go ahead. I didn't watch it, but go ahead.
All right. Yeah, yeah, you must have.
So then, I'm saying, too, the good thing, the thing was that.

Speaker 6 We only, the Browns offense, we only had 206 total yards. The Dolphins had 219 total yards.
We only had 100. They should have beat y'all.
No, no, no, not because of that.

Speaker 6 It's called, it's called three turnovers on three turn three interceptions and one

Speaker 6 and a fumble. That's it's bad weather.
They can't, they're cold. So why didn't we turn the ball off?

Speaker 6 Anything but no, why didn't we turn the ball off? They're cold. Why aren't we playing in the same

Speaker 6 stadium? In trash situations and like that's nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. Don't want to hear it.
So

Speaker 6 gets the ball, runs it all the way down tyson campbell again i love him he's probably gonna be my defensive mvp because his effort he ran down a channel he tried to score on their drive whatever stops them we get a stop they end up getting three boom next drive um

Speaker 6 we get some this is my other thing the fake pi like you said and then jutkins gets the 45 yards yes thank you it was a fake pi that's when we go up 10-3

Speaker 6 that's when we go up 10-3. Okay.
I don't think that's it. That shouldn't have happened, but go ahead.
It did happen. Okay.
Then soon after that 10-3, we kick the ball.

Speaker 6 Delp it comes down there and makes the play. Makes him cough the ball up.
How about you protect the ball? We also had kickoff returns. We didn't fumble it.
That's on Miami. So, boom.
Fumble the ball.

Speaker 6 Give it back to the Browns. Correct.
Correct. Browns get the ball again.
Go down. Wildcat.
Wildcat. So we get the ball to Juckins.
Like, man, you know what? Bump it.

Speaker 6 You just take it straight from the center. Uh, get it.
Tutty. Now we're up 17-3.

Speaker 6 Miami gets the ball again. And what they do? Punt.

Speaker 6 Yeah, damn right. Then the Browns get the ball back.
We punt. Miami gets the ball back.
Miami gets the ball back.

Speaker 6 I could have swore I seen a six to 17 halftime score.

Speaker 6 I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I'm about to tell you, we punt, and then Miami gets the ball back. Heard about it.
Tyson Campbell.

Speaker 6 This one they try to score. This is Tyson Campbell again.
They try to drive the ball down. He gets to break up in the end zone like I lovely.

Speaker 6 They end up getting the field goal go into halftime 17 6

Speaker 6 fresh out of halftime

Speaker 6 17 6 miami gets the ball what does tua do

Speaker 6 say here here we go

Speaker 6 here we go tip off the hands my man tyson campbell again pick six coming off the coming off the first play out of halftime so now we're up 24 to 6 and this is why like it doesn't matter how you do it this is the the offensive didn't even have to come back on the field and we're up 24-6.

Speaker 6 We were 17-6. Oh, they thought that was your best player.

Speaker 6 Is that, is that, is that, is that my bad?

Speaker 6 Is that my fault that he's the quarterback for the Miami Dolphins that he, they, they brought into that stadium to start for that team and try to leave with a victory? No, it's not.

Speaker 6 So he threw the ball to us and my man took it to the crib. Boom.
Then they get the ball back. Think it's sweet? Miles Garrett, welcome to the show.
Third and 11th. Sit down, son.

Speaker 6 So this one, the defense is balling.

Speaker 6 My whole thing. Okay, okay.

Speaker 6 Yeah, sit down. Sit down, Miles.

Speaker 6 Y'all got the best defense. Yeah, that is true.
They get the ball. I ain't tripping.

Speaker 6 They get the ball again.

Speaker 6 Let me have my shine.

Speaker 6 Let me have my shine.

Speaker 6 Okay. Because then they start driving it again.
And on fourth and eight, they try to run a they try to go for the fourth down, throw a little slant. And guess who's in the hole?

Speaker 6 Delpit and cracks that man. One yard short.
Turn it on downs. Do y'all feel silly? Yes, they do.
Browns get the ball back again.

Speaker 6 We punt it.

Speaker 6 No, no, we don't. We don't.
We don't. We get the ball.
All right. Returns to the one.
Oh, my goodness. No.
Browns get the ball.

Speaker 6 We punt. Punt him down to the one-yard line.
We didn't do nothing. Then two is in the end zone.

Speaker 6 Try and get it. Try and figure it out.
It's a lot of pressure. Oh, my goodness.
Everybody's here. I have to throw it.
Boom. Rasheen Jenkins.
Pick.

Speaker 6 Almost another pick six for points without the offense. Doesn't have to go out there and do nothing.

Speaker 6 The defense is bringing it down to the one-yard yard line pick by two or to the one hey i ain't gonna lie to you without y'all defense y'all look at y'all defense but hella good that's like that's like

Speaker 6 without my arms without my arms i wouldn't be able to play basketball what are we talking about here of course you need the defense to be nice you better have a defense talking to

Speaker 6 i'm talking to i'm talking to you debo i'm talking to you now you know why because you've been real disrespectful you'll be real disrespectful dude yeah yeah

Speaker 6 so no but i i say all of this to say the Browns had a really good defensive effort and they're putting their offense in position to get them. The offense did not.
No, no, no.

Speaker 6 Defense won the game period. Offense ain't do nothing.
Your boy had 26 yards.

Speaker 6 We had 26 yards total.

Speaker 6 Your boy Dylan had 200. I had 116 yards.
Yes. Yes.
I was giving you. Tour was your best player, though, because the defense was cold.
I ain't going to lie. Defense is nice.
I ain't going to lie.

Speaker 6 Defense. I'm going to get defense credit because I'm going to give you a good idea.
But

Speaker 6 12 or 23 for 100 yards, three picks, that's two.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I mean, look.
How many of them picks was real hard to get to? I'm telling, I mean, look, okay, a couple,

Speaker 6 none of them.

Speaker 6 None of them. Was it real athletic plays to get to the ball? Was it anything like, oh, he went and he just made a, you know, he just made a hella fight play? And you know what? I mean,

Speaker 6 no, no, for real. No.
Honestly, I think my man, the hardest one, the hardest one was the one that he caught when the center field safety was like this. Give me this one, Tua.
Come on, Tua.

Speaker 6 Give it to me. And then he kind of

Speaker 6 tried to look him off and threw the shoe. He tried to look him up.
He didn't try to look him off. He didn't try to look him off.
He didn't try to look him off. You're trying.

Speaker 6 You see, CJo, that's what I'm saying, man.

Speaker 6 Listen, man, I'm just saying, I'm going to give the defense the credit. I'm going to give defense credit because you got to.

Speaker 6 You got to do it. You got to make plays because it's been situations where I see the Steelers, they done got balls in their hands.
They don't catch them. I understand that

Speaker 6 straight to him. I understand that.
So, you know,

Speaker 6 uh, but when you got a head coach like you know

Speaker 6 Daniels that says, you know,

Speaker 6 you know, he can,

Speaker 6 it is, I don't, I mean, when you look at it,

Speaker 6 you got to listen to this guy's interviews. Like, it's

Speaker 6 what he say after the game. He said a whole lot of nothing, Debo.
He said, Here, go. There's a lot of guys that will have an important work week

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 we're not, because if you are

Speaker 6 negatively affecting the football team

Speaker 6 routinely, I don't have a choice but to

Speaker 6 assess the different player. And I have to coach

Speaker 6 a lot better as well. And yeah, we're going to find out like who and what we're made of.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. They need hard knocks in his meeting rooms.
They need to go to hard hard knocks. You got to go in Miami.
If he's still there, y'all got to be in Miami.

Speaker 6 This will be y'all highest rated hard knocks ever. Promise you.
A thousand percent. When this dude talks, I get confused.
I start feeling like I done lost where I'm at, what's going on.

Speaker 6 He starts a sentence, he doesn't finish it. And then how you go from a uh to we're gonna do? And you didn't say nothing.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 That is who is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Yeah, that that that's crazy to me.
That's crazy to me.

Speaker 6 Now, you like Tua said, you got players that don't even go to players' meetings, don't show up or not, or aren't there on time, and even don't show up. So, you got no leadership anywhere.

Speaker 6 The coaches, the players, it's disrespectful everywhere. We got to clean out everybody.
The coaches got to go. The players got to go.

Speaker 6 And you just said that you sat him down because you got to see what other players can do. So are you saying it's over with for him? Like, what's.
I think he did. I think he still said this too.

Speaker 6 I think he's still starting him this week coming up. Huh?

Speaker 6 How you going to evaluate other players?

Speaker 6 See? And then you do this.

Speaker 6 And y'all happy about beating them.

Speaker 6 Y'all, y'all real happy about being

Speaker 6 Debo, you know,

Speaker 6 I'm happy when the Browns win. I talked about the way it happened and how it happened.
I'm not saying that that was an offensive performance for the ages.

Speaker 6 I'm saying when you come out there and it's a rainy, wet day and that team doesn't do well and you just, you're making those plays, you're making those picks, you're making those turnovers, you're punching out that ball.

Speaker 6 Jutkins is running it through the end zone. They're getting in positions.

Speaker 6 The offense was not, I didn't say one thing about how good the offense did besides Jutkins running the ball well because he had three touchdowns. And when we needed him, he did what he had to do.

Speaker 6 Well, defense a lot.

Speaker 6 You know, you got your fans. They're calling for Stefanski to be fired, saying that, you know, the problem

Speaker 6 is him rather than the Browns quarterbacks. They said, shit, it's Deshaun Washington.
He even liked a video

Speaker 6 talking about Stefanski on TikTok.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 6 Joe.

Speaker 6 Man, so

Speaker 6 I think that the audio. You got a problem with Deshaun doing this, like in the video that's saying that's talking, that's talking trash on

Speaker 6 Stefan.

Speaker 6 While you're not playing with the team, I think I wouldn't want anything that's a distraction. I think it's a distraction.

Speaker 6 And I don't like for anything to be a distraction for him to be doing it, especially when you're not playing right now, especially when you're still making it.

Speaker 6 Is he healthy enough to play or is they just playing? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 When you're not on the, even if you're not healthy enough to play, that means just, that's even more reason to just stay out the way because you're not going to be. Oh, I was just asking personally.

Speaker 6 No, no, no. I don't think, I don't think he's healthy enough to play yet.
I think he's getting, getting close to where he's going to be able to get, get out there and start throwing the ball again.

Speaker 6 But I don't think when you're not actively on the team, and even if you are, this is just more things for, this is just more clickbait, more people to talk about stuff and more reasons for, like, even for you to be brought up.

Speaker 6 If it was me, I'm Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 6 I'm making 230 million i'm still making 40 million dollars a year and i haven't been as productive as i would want to as i as my contract heals i would just be trying to stay out the way getting ready getting right and trying to get back out there talking about the culture and liking tweets and stuff that's just going to bring end of the day if you don't like him and this is just something that you've been wanting to say for a while i mean it is what it is now the social media man everybody's shooting at him you you do you think that he was the reason why he didn't help you out in your in in get and getting you better during your own time in Cleveland?

Speaker 6 Go ahead, man. Say what you got to say because nobody's, I'm not in your position.
That wasn't me. I wasn't there.

Speaker 6 And if you think that he should be out of there and he definitely didn't help in your growth, for sure. That's not, that's not my space to say because I don't know, but he does.

Speaker 6 But just knowing that what's it's going to bring to your team, what's it going to bring questions on the coach?

Speaker 6 And if he does want him to get out there, if you does it, if he does want him to get fired, that's the perfect way to do it. Boo.
Yep. Like that.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 Everybody, it's already trains going.

Speaker 6 I'm not a big safancy fan i don't think the offense has been doing what it needs to do i think there needs there can be a new voice and i don't think he has the power to just be bringing it i don't think he's playing with kind of who he can play with i don't think he has the control to move all the pieces and i don't think it's saying

Speaker 6 i think andrew berry and um mr haslam Andrew Berry and the Haslams are definitely, I think, over top of what his control is.

Speaker 6 I don't think he has control of his players or who he brings in or who he takes out. I definitely don't.

Speaker 6 Well, according to ESPN Pittsburgh, they say there's two different sources that say shador sanders will play for the pittsburgh i mean sorry will play for the browns

Speaker 6 okay one one uh one said shador will start the last four games of the season no matter what the last four games are against bears bills stillers and the bangles what do you uh

Speaker 6 What do you think of this? The other source said that

Speaker 6 Shadora may take over sooner than that you think this is uh this is real you think it's a possibility is it something that you would want to see

Speaker 6 do you think dylan needs to be switched out and them give a give a chance to shador this is what i'm saying i think dylan hasn't been and this is just just my honest opinion i don't think dylan has done enough to like he's he's not helping he's not hurting the team but he's not helping the team there's a difference between a game like game management game changers um a superstar, all that, like a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 6 He's not giving me franchise quarterback vibes. And that's just how I feel about it.
He's able to go. He went 13 for 18, 116 yards, zero interceptions, zero picks.

Speaker 6 That's another zero picks, zero interceptions. You're not hurting me, but you're not helping me.
So I don't know how big, how high his ceiling is.

Speaker 6 So at the end of the day, he's going to get a couple more games, in my opinion. I would still give him because he didn't lose.
He won the game. He didn't do anything bad.

Speaker 6 Like he didn't turn the ball over. They hit the Juggins.
So to control the game, you want to get out that with a win. The defense played well.
The special teams played well. We won 31 to 6.

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Speaker 6 Not like you didn't hurt us. You didn't help us.
So we're not going to just pull you out of the game. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 So I just think we should continue to give him another, like I would say, another two, three, four games, two, two, two, three games. If he starts doing better, we can start winning.
He just,

Speaker 6 I'm not mad at him because you don't don't want to just be like, no, this isn't good enough. I don't say you're not a superstar, you're not a franchise quarterback, go to the bench.

Speaker 6 I think that you can have, see what he can do, give him a couple more times. Just open up the playbook.
Let's see, Gilbert. I mean, tell him, Dylan Gabriel, like, let's see what we can do.

Speaker 6 Like, let it rip. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's see if we can.
I understand you're being comfortable. They tried to let it rip.
They gave him 50-something passes against the Stillers.

Speaker 6 But he threw 30, but like, but 50-something passes, but like probably seven, but 10 of them that passed 10 yards. He's digging and dunking.
He's dumping the ball.

Speaker 6 But that's what that's what he got to take. Man, I'm not hearing none of that.
I'm liking if you got an outside and there's a man-to-man, and we do have a single box, and this man okay.

Speaker 6 So, throw the fade. So he goes,

Speaker 6 they don't win, but he's not the reason they're losing. But he's also not the reason they're winning.
Do you give Shador that chance? Do you think Shador gives more of a

Speaker 6 issue to a defense than he would? I do.

Speaker 6 Why is that? I do. I think he's going to, because he's going to give us a better, he's going to throw the ball down the field.

Speaker 6 I think he's going to give us a chance, like anticipating throwing dig balls, throwing a post on time, throwing fade balls. If he sees that it's man-to-man, giving his receiver a chance.
I like Dylan.

Speaker 6 And then I just don't think he's giving our receivers a chance as much. You keep dumping the ball down, down, but like, let's throw some fades.
Let's throw some posts.

Speaker 6 And some of the things I see him open when he does that play actually, you come up and you just patting it a little bit too long because

Speaker 6 you don't want to throw up interception. So you just, you know what what I'm saying, check it down.
Instead of, there's an opportunity open, throw it. Nah, I don't know.
Boom.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? I want to be able to be like, no, bump that. There is the opportunity.

Speaker 6 Let me throw that because I know I can make a play and help the team out instead of like, all right, let me just be cautious. Let me be controlled.
Let me not fuck it up.

Speaker 6 No, sometimes I need you to let that thing go.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm uh

Speaker 6 I believe that if he doesn't start to do things that actually help them win instead of not doing things that you know help them lose i think you have to you have to and you're not winning you have to give you have to give shador a chance to to go out there and see what he can do with all the weapons all the starters and and give him that opportunity i would say so bro because i mean we're we're i think dylan gets his just due we're giving him as many he got his first start out there in minnesota then he got another one and i think what's is this, his third start?

Speaker 6 His third start, he has a win. So I'm not like knocking what he's doing, but I'm like, I'm not seeing anything that's like, you're taking us somewhere.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 And that's not in a bad way, but like, I want when you look at the quarterbacks, like franchise guys, like, all right, bet. Like, I want the ball in his hands.

Speaker 6 He's going to be able to gain, like, he's going to be able to make a play for us. You know what I'm saying? So I just want him to, maybe he has it in him, but just kind of like let it rip sometimes.

Speaker 6 Like instead of doing those jump offs, when you see it, you know what I'm saying? Anticipation, throw in the ball, like get it out

Speaker 6 yeah i mean i think it's a lot of people that want to want to see you know either

Speaker 6 dylan do better or a chance for shador to go out there and and show what he could do

Speaker 6 um speaking of that isaiah rogers um

Speaker 6 had a bad day football on the football field sunday but um

Speaker 6 he got some messages bro Like these, these people tripping, dude,

Speaker 6 it's nothing deserves for a dude to get some messages. Like, can we even show these messages?

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 6 can we even show these words on the screen?

Speaker 6 Yeah, so

Speaker 6 it's some stuff in there, you know. F this, F that.
I'm trying to slow down on my cussing a little bit. Yeah, no, for sure.
Me too. My mom called me.
Yeah, yeah. So, you know, you stuck.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 word that starts with the letter N, but it's it's not nigga it's the hard er

Speaker 6 you know what i'm saying um

Speaker 6 called the man

Speaker 6 worse than hitler like come on like

Speaker 6 that

Speaker 6 deserves nothing and then he want to try and backpedal after he realized he snapped it and and and and sent it over now you want to talk about you sorry yeah i know it was wrong nah nah we we can't we can't do all that and he's

Speaker 6 You ever got anything like that? I could tell you right now, bro. How do you feel about that, Debo? No, bro.
I got stuff like that when

Speaker 6 I went to New England, bro.

Speaker 6 Inbox crazy.

Speaker 6 In this, in that,

Speaker 6 blah, blah, blah. Woo-woo-woo.
Your mama, your daddy, grandmama. This is supposed to be from Stillers fans, right? You know what I'm saying? And that's the problem with fans.

Speaker 6 fans are loyal to a a a actual

Speaker 6 organization you know what i'm saying they're not loyal to to to to the player and they don't realize that that this is a business and then people just get out of bounds they like you out of bounds with just stepping sideways that's not something you would say to his face dude not even not even close and i know it and when you go and you do things like this and you snap that they had one time where some dude said something about uh me and it was something like tom brady like this and that, you doing this and that.

Speaker 6 And he was saying, so I screenshot and I posted it up. Oh, he had to shut his page down and all that.

Speaker 6 Like when you people do this,

Speaker 6 like, like, listen, when you people do this, like, some people actually take time to find out, like, who you are, if your page is real and all that, and save this in their files.

Speaker 6 Like, I'm one of them people. Like, y'all got, you know, dummy pages.
Everybody else got dummy pages too. They go look at your page and figure out if you're a real person.

Speaker 6 Screenshot already, snapshots saved to make sure you're real. And then put it out there so that you can stand on what you're talking about.
You know what I'm saying? Like

Speaker 6 this is, this is, this is not hard to get the evidence on you and put it out there and all that stuff.

Speaker 6 So when you say something, same thing I tell my kids, like, yo, if you go say something or you go tweet something, you go write something out.

Speaker 6 When you write that out and put it out there, make sure that it's something that you're okay with the whole world knowing, seeing, and reacting to.

Speaker 6 Like, you got to put these fans, these, all these people that want to be in your inbox and start doing goofy stuff like that. Of course, you got to make sure the page is real.

Speaker 6 You can't just put it out there because I get a whole bunch of them from little dummy pages, you know, all that stuff. But

Speaker 6 this ain't cool is no part of this that should be in our society, period, especially, you know, especially the racist part of it. But we understand like you suck and all that other stuff.

Speaker 6 I can take that. That's just criticism.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 A fan, you know, trader, you know,

Speaker 6 you're a traitor to the, no, I'm not.

Speaker 6 I'm an employee that no longer, they will no longer wanted my services.

Speaker 6 So I went to somewhere else where they wanted my services. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is, this is business.
These are colors.

Speaker 6 if channel two don't want you and channel four do you go to channel four

Speaker 6 you don't hear channel two talking about you a trader no

Speaker 6 what do you what what's your what's your take on this man what's what's your advice that you would you would give rogers man my advice is uh well i had a lot of the same stuff like you said deeper when we played for the browns and people would just talk crazy when you would lose i would say sometimes you you don't want to

Speaker 6 you don't want to let people like some of the stuff when people say it's easy to ignore it you don't want like people to like rock with your emotions at the end of the day because at the end of the day these people are on instagram twitter they're watching you play a sport and a game that we love when i first got into it i would get my feelings and people would talk you know what i'm saying about you because you you trying to do a good job you don't like not normal not used to people really talking about you like that i would say ignore them And then at the same time, like these dudes are like, like a lot of them just want your attention because the same way when I, when you would snap back and do like, oh my God, I can't believe it's you like you really wrote back to me i'm like hey you had me really in my feelings like really mad you know what i'm saying and you just was just talking because like the access that they are able to have to professional athletes i don't think sometimes you can it's good because you can give them an insight and like like let them know you're a real person but at the same time they feel like they can touch you like they can make you feel some type of way so i'm like don't not not literally touch you but like you can read up you're gonna see what they're saying so i'm like with that you don't want to give them a lot of it is like you know what's up you know what's going on so sometimes with me i wouldn't even really look at the stuff because it's like what if they tell you good things is that is that making you happy like no letting people control you know what i'm saying like how your mood is because of what people are saying on your stuff so i kind of just on some like

Speaker 6 i don't know these people you know what i'm saying so i just kind of really didn't let it didn't try to not let it hit me as much yeah i don't I like I like to look at it because I need the negative stuff.

Speaker 6 That's how I'm over.

Speaker 6 I want to see all the negative stuff but when you when you step over that you step over that boundary you know what i'm saying of a personal like racial insults that's real hate of real

Speaker 6 life you burning my jersey and all that go ahead burn it because you ended up probably buying another one when i came back at 14 anyway you know i mean when i came back um

Speaker 6 after um

Speaker 6 after you know they do the jersey sale anyway so i ain't tripping you went and got another one who cares i don't you know but like like I said, 13, even 13 when I went to Cincinnati, you know, but when I went to New England, dude, they lost their mind.

Speaker 6 And that's something else. I'm telling dudes, like, don't even give this dude a response.
Like, he's trying to get a response from you, bro. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, that's what he wants to be able to know that the message that he sent got to you and you was mad enough to respond back.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, yo, you can't respond back to this because if you respond back and you shoot at him and you say something crazy, he's going to repost what you said to him.

Speaker 6 You're going to get fined and nothing's going to happen to him

Speaker 6 like don't even give him it like who cares like use that as motivation fuel for your fire like i don't like i i feel though because you know how that is but like you said too did people be weirdos people would just be straight weirdos like writing this like mean things to people just trying to get a reaction right you're trying to get a reaction you try to be seen you want you you know you you want you want to be heard everybody that's why everybody got social media everybody want to be heard you know

Speaker 6 so sunday we about to play the Packers, bro. Right?

Speaker 6 Hey, Rob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.
But, hey,

Speaker 6 hey, we, we again, okay. We we, yeah,

Speaker 6 but Sunday's game between the Packers and Stillers isn't about Aaron Rodgers. Matt Lefebvre said, he said, we're playing the Pittsburgh Stillers, who happened to have Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 It's as simple as that. That is for you guys to talk about.
Granted, I mean, we've got a lot of love and respect for Aaron, what he's done here. I mean, he's a hall of famer, and I know,

Speaker 6 and I know, like our past together, we had a lot of great moments, but this game is not about that.

Speaker 6 What uh, what you, um, what you put on that, Joe?

Speaker 6 Joe, what you, um,

Speaker 6 you think uh he's just giving lip service,

Speaker 6 you think he's just

Speaker 6 saying the right thing reverse psychology

Speaker 6 you know yeah man i think he's just being a smart like just a good coach you know not trying to make anything extra over what it is he knows him and aaron right they had a relationship he just don't want to bring anything up extra I think Aaron Rodgers, just personally, though, he definitely wants to be Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 He definitely thinks that he wants to make sure that they made the right decision. It is, it is like that you could still have Aaron Rodgers and you don't.

Speaker 6 He's he's going against you so it's kind of like so what do you think the bigger statement uh

Speaker 6 bigger statement win would be like aaron rodgers taking down his former team or jordan love outplaying the old man

Speaker 6 it see that's what i'm saying i think a rod

Speaker 6 the better one would be the for for us for us still if for for we for we it's going to be a rod outplay we the a rod outplayed jordan love packers made the wrong decision moving on that's will be the bigger joint

Speaker 6 I think

Speaker 6 I don't care about him outplaying him. He could outplay him and we could still lose.
Aaron winning and taking down his former team is the biggest statement to me. Like,

Speaker 6 I don't, if Aaron go out there and do four.

Speaker 6 you know, four, five touchdowns, 400 yards, whatever it may be, and the defense don't do nothing and we lose that game.

Speaker 6 Don't know, at least me personally, I don't care how big my numbers is if we lose the game. They wasn't big enough for me.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 So I asked you, so you wouldn't be mad if he did a 13 for 18, 116 yards, zero touchdowns. And we win.

Speaker 6 And you win. Yes.

Speaker 6 I ain't mad. Listen.

Speaker 6 Hey,

Speaker 6 Debo, Debo. We're not going to apologize for winning.
Debo. That's what we're not going to do.
We're not going to apologize for winning.

Speaker 6 Hey, the Browns didn't for me in Miami. So what we look like? Debo, you still.

Speaker 6 What we're not going to do, Debo, is apologize for winning.

Speaker 6 What we're not going to do is apologize for winning.

Speaker 6 And A.

Speaker 6 Hey, brother. Hey.

Speaker 6 Oh, man. Okay.
No, for sure. I'm with you.
Debo, I am with you 100%. No question.
The bigger thing is with the Steelers, we know he could throw for four-star challenge. We know he could throw.

Speaker 6 He's not going to, he's Aaron Rodgers. But what we want to do is lead the state in with a dub.
So I'm 1,000% with you on that. What the bigger statement is, the Steelers beat the Packers.

Speaker 6 Aaron Rodgers taking down his former squad. Yeah, speaking of former, former squad, Justin Fields.
got benched over there in New York, man.

Speaker 6 They just gave him a two-year, 40 million deal, 30 guaranteed and it looks like they only needed six and a half games to realize he ain't the answer is it time do you think they you think it's time for them to give up get it moving it looks like they done did it live they done set him down

Speaker 6 all i know is

Speaker 6 Justin Fields, when I watched that last game they just had in London, that was one of the worst offensive performances I've seen in a long time. And I know he's the athlete.

Speaker 6 I love Justin Fields as a person, but I don't know what's going on. Their offense probably had less than 100 yards.
Like it just doesn't look good. He's not throwing the ball on time.

Speaker 6 He's making, it's taking him a while to make some decisions.

Speaker 6 And they're just not, it's just not looking good. You can't keep doing the same thing.
That defense deserved to win a couple of these games. Their defense has been playing great.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? Like it's not their fault. You need something from your offense.
And Justin Fields hasn't been able to do it.

Speaker 6 I'm, so, I'm, I don't mean any harm to say it, but like when you're just watching the tape, I like you, I like him as a person, like him as all that, but he's not getting the job done.

Speaker 6 And this is a this is a what for you done for me lately business. And he hasn't done anything for them lately, so I don't think that he's the answer.

Speaker 6 And I'm walking away with 30, no matter what, he's gonna get that, but at the same time, like you're gonna keep on, you're gonna lose on the shield of you paid him 30, so we're gonna go ahead and just walk it down, or are you gonna try to figure out something else?

Speaker 6 Because you know, 30 is 30, but we got other teams. My man, the brownies got 131 still left that they're trying to figure out.
So it can be done. It can be done.
You can move on. It's going to hurt.

Speaker 6 You're going to have to bite that pill, that 30 M's. But

Speaker 6 if you're really trying to win right now, it doesn't look like Phils is doing it on the offensive side. And

Speaker 6 it pains me to say that. Yeah,

Speaker 6 I think this might be it. They go ahead and they'll keep him because they got the guaranteed money in him.
And they go try and get, I mean, they right now they fighting for a first pick anyway.

Speaker 6 So they got an opportunity to go out there and hopefully try and find somebody that they see a little bit more potential in.

Speaker 6 Jumping back to Sunday, the Rams, dude, they flew in to the international game the day before and immediately headed back out. And they went ahead and whooped them boys 35 to 7.

Speaker 6 It worked out.

Speaker 6 What do you, so here's my take on this.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I don't like going in early to a game, especially when you got like an international game or something like this. What it turns into is you have four or five days there.

Speaker 6 So now you got all your family, your friends, you got all this extra stuff going on here and there. And they thinking they on vacation.

Speaker 6 This is ain't, this ain't a vacation. I'm here to work.
I'm here to get a job done. But they're like vacation.

Speaker 6 So they're planning to do this, do that, all this other stuff, distracting the guys from doing this and that. Not to mention, like the staff.
So now you got all these families over here.

Speaker 6 Now, now, now the staff that usually helps you is now trying to help the families and all that, along with their other responsibilities and duties.

Speaker 6 I like the idea of going in and out, getting the job done and going home.

Speaker 6 I think that's the best way to do it, me personally, because now I don't add all those other factors into it where it done turned into a mini vacation for everybody else.

Speaker 6 And now you're being the person to have to drag along and do all this other stuff along with practice. And the focus is not the focus, which is winning a game.

Speaker 6 Like, what do you think? You think this could be the next wave since they just seen the Rams do it and do it conventionally?

Speaker 6 Debo,

Speaker 6 I'm with you 1,000%.

Speaker 6 My thing is. On those games, on those business trips, when we're going to London, we're not going to see London.
I don't care. I can go during the offseason.
Like, we can go take a trip to that hotel.

Speaker 6 We can go literally have a good time. These trips are business trips.
Like I'm really trying to get there, get my body right, watch tape.

Speaker 6 When I get there for long periods of time, I start getting nervous and like antsy because it's like, we're here to do a job. The game is in four days.
There's nothing I'm going to be able to do.

Speaker 6 Like I'm going to get practice. I'm going to have my schedule right.

Speaker 6 The family and friends, we're on a trip. We're overseas.
Like we're about to go see the Louvre. We're about to go see all the stuff that they got to offer.
I'm not good on that.

Speaker 6 We can go there during the offseason and we can go see everything everything you want to see but these four days like that and that's crazy the getting there i don't even need to have to worry about bringing you here if i'm in and out in you know a 36 hour time frame like yo in and out it's no discussion on hey let's do this like no it's no i'm going to work i'm going to be right back

Speaker 6 Yes, I'm going to be right back, dude. Like, I'm going to work.
Hey, man, we got a few other things you want to catch up on if you want to stick here since we missed yesterday. With you, you good?

Speaker 6 See, yep,

Speaker 6 yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, I tried to,

Speaker 6 I didn't try. I'm sorry.
Uh, Jeff Bezos did that, messed us up. That was that was all you, brother.
That wasn't me, bro. I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 6 I'm listening, but you let me get my Browns talking, so I appreciate it. I let, yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
Like I said, you, y'all got a good defense over there, man.

Speaker 6 Y'all, y'all got a good, y'all got a good defense over there. And if it,

Speaker 6 if it wasn't for y'all defense, y'all would be 0-7 instead of

Speaker 6 2-5. Yeah.
Like, if it wasn't for y'all defense. That is a filthy fact.
That is a filthy fact.

Speaker 6 Hey, Joe. Yo.

Speaker 6 Somebody got five.

Speaker 6 Yes, he did.

Speaker 6 Who got five, Joe? Man, Billy Napier, man. Coach for the Gators, man.
Bought my dog out.

Speaker 6 20 million. They got to give my man 20 million and they got to give him 10 of it in the next 30 days.

Speaker 6 Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 6 Hey, man,

Speaker 6 what Florida go do from here, man? Where they go? What's going down? This is what I'm saying. Florida,

Speaker 6 we need a great, great coach. And you know who I'm thinking of who we need to go get?

Speaker 6 He's in the SEC. Where? I'm not mad at it because I'm loving his recruiting style.
But first of all, let me talk about our interim coach. Interim coach that we have right now, Billy Gonzalez.

Speaker 6 He was my recruiting coordinator. He recruited me to come to Florida.

Speaker 6 He was our wide receiver coach there during the national championship billy gonzalez billy gonzalez did he ever coach at kin state i think did billy g coach at kin state i don't know if he coached at ken state i don't think i think he coached receivers at kent when i was up there hold up now we got we gotta check it out i only know i only know billy g when he was in uh at florida though he recruited me came to my came to my state championship game my senior year in maryland at okay baltimore raven stadium great dude great coach so he's the interim coach right now loving him he's a recruiting guy that's what we need to get back to too he recruited me and he's great at recruits and that's why they when we got rid of napier and moved him in so he can keep the recruits so everybody's good hey yes can he recruit in this era no that's why i'm that's but that's why i'm bringing you to where he's here but i'm telling you of the the other the if we the head coach that i want i want him to be this probably like the offensive coordinator maybe still receivers called offensive coordinator but i want hey he was the wide receivers and running back dude for us at uh kent from he was in 2001 that's crazy that's billy g that was my he was my he was the receiver coach of florida yeah i knew i knew that name man i'm like dude he was on my staff when i when i played at kent see so we got to go to a gator game go see coach g

Speaker 6 we got we got yeah we're gonna have to yeah we check it out for sure coach g i love coach g i think he's gonna be great but i will want well with the way it's going now i need florida to get a real a guy And I'm going to throw it out in the bucket.

Speaker 6 I want us to get Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 6 I think if we got Lane Kiffin, the energy he's bringing, the vibes he's bringing, and with the recruits, I think he, because the way he's doing O miss, we could have Florida back on point.

Speaker 6 I think he would do it. I think he could do it.
I'm going to just put that out there. Yep.
That's who you want. That's who I want.
I want Lane Kiffin.

Speaker 6 What about Billy G?

Speaker 6 If Billy G, I'm just saying, I would, if Billy, I'm with Lane Kiffin or Billy G. I'm not mad.
I love Billy G as the head coach right now. Okay, but what if you get Lane Kiffin, but you lose Billy G?

Speaker 6 You say he's great for recruiting.

Speaker 6 I know. I think, well, this is what I'm saying.
He was recruiting. That was back in the day, Debo.
I mean, I hope he's, I know he's still, you know, he probably still got some

Speaker 6 some stuff that he knows, but I don't know. He recruited me back in, was that 007?

Speaker 6 Yeah. So the times have changed.
So that's what I'm saying. If we could just get.

Speaker 6 I love Billy. Billy could do it.
Billy's, Billy. He was there during the golden years.
He's seen what it was when we needed easy with national championships at Florida. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 So he's been at Florida

Speaker 6 since you were there.

Speaker 6 He left. He left.
He came back.

Speaker 6 He came back with Coach Dan Mullen.

Speaker 6 Okay. Yes, he came back with Mullen.

Speaker 6 Okay. All right.
Who your player of the week, dude? Who you got? Who you got for your defensive player of the week?

Speaker 6 Tyson Campbell, the new corner for the Browns with his pick six, his PBUs, his rundown of the

Speaker 6 H-Han, H-Han about 4-3. He walked him down,

Speaker 6 prevented the touchdown. So we're going to go with him.
He's fresh off the boat, right over there playing man-to-man, strapping, pick sixing.

Speaker 6 Stand up.

Speaker 6 Stand up, Tyson Campbell. Stand up.

Speaker 6 Can you ask me who mines is? Well, then, Debo, who do you have? Thank you.

Speaker 6 Thank you. Thank you very much.
Tyson got me hype. Tyson got me hype.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Who's your defensive player, Debo? Or do we? I hate, I hate, I hate. I gotta do this.

Speaker 6 You gotta get credit with credit due. Yes, you do.

Speaker 6 We got the same one, bro. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You watch the game. Hey, you watch the game.
We're gonna see. Hey, we're gonna see what he does against them Patriots, though.

Speaker 6 We're gonna see.

Speaker 6 I'm here in New England now. Don't forget that.
Yes, sir. We're gonna see.

Speaker 6 hey tour man i probably could have did that against tour just put at at where i'm at right now today at 47 years old

Speaker 6 i'm just saying

Speaker 6 all right we're gonna see just saying we gonna see now i ain't never played i ain't never played db in my life but the way that went i think i could have did but look here man we want to thank y'all for joining us Yes, this episode of Debo and Joe, man.

Speaker 6 We let Joe go ahead and get off his Browns stuff, man. Hey, big ups.
I ain't gonna lie. I had a Browns fit on yesterday.

Speaker 6 He had a fit on yesterday. You know what's so crazy? I ended up accidentally wearing

Speaker 6 a chocolate brown shirt yesterday, too, because I thought it was black, but it wasn't. Oh, see.
Hey, please make sure you guys like and subscribe.

Speaker 6 You don't want to miss nothing. We'll be back here at it on Friday.
Joe.

Speaker 6 What you got? My brother Debo, we will be back on Friday. I appreciate you.
I appreciate you for giving the Browns a little bit of love.

Speaker 6 I appreciate that I for the defensive player of the week that you have. And my good man, I will see you on Friday.
And we out.

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