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The Seahawks take down the Texans 27-19, JSN, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba.

And the Seahawks defense were sensational.

And Texans' offense at many points in time tonight, OJ, looked it up.

CJ Stroud.

Look, you're going to see had decent numbers, but it was late in the ball game when they needing meaningful third down conversion, when they needed meaningful first, fourth down conversion, when they needed to get the ball into the end zone, they came up,

came up really short.

Sam Donnell was awful tonight.

They won the game, but he was awful.

Two terrible picks, got strip sacked in the end zone, almost got locked for another safety.

Let's start from, let's start, let's take it from, go ahead and take a start from Seattle.

Seattle won the game.

They're 5-2.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they're tied with the 49ers for number one in the division at five and two followed by the rams

but uh

that deep uh uh seattle's

they're very disruptive

okay so all the rams niners and seahawks are all five and two obviously the cardinals are not five and two

um

Jackson, Smith, and Jigba.

Look, we can say, all I know is this you can rank him where you want to but i don't believe he's going to be there very much longer he is the best rock hey

he can do it all that release he got the release game he quicker the cat on the hot on a marble table get great hands

man

he's special

He's special.

And they got a lot of guys that come out of Ohio State.

They got Olave and they got Garrett Moss and they got Michael.

They got a Marvin Harrison Jr.

and they got they got J-Bo,

but that kid there.

He's nice.

He's nice.

He's everything

that is advertised.

Everything.

And listen, he's always been.

You understand?

Now you understand how good he is when the team was willing to let DK Metcalf go and let Ty Locker go because they understood what they had on their hands.

They understood what they had on their hands.

He's very good.

Very good.

Very, very sharp.

Very polished receiver.

Cooper Cup Cup threw one pick out.

Sam Donald had one pick.

Cooper Cup threw the pick that overthrew

the DB, overthrew the receiver and

got it picked.

But Sam Donald still was awful, even with the one pick and the strip sack in the end zone.

You know what?

You know, honestly, Sam Donald could have a game like this because it took for him to get the week seven to have this type of game where it looked nasty and he needed the defense to Satan because the defense.

It looked like the Houston Texans, especially in the first half, it looked like like they didn't even belong in the goddamn game.

They couldn't get anything going offensively.

They couldn't find any rhythm.

C.J.

Stroud was flushed out of the pocket.

He was flushed up in the pocket.

He had some drops as well.

So, I mean,

it didn't help them.

It was 24.

It was, no, that was

Nico Collins.

I had one question.

What happened with Joe Mixon?

He hurt.

They say

he did with an injury injury from still from last year.

He's supposed to come back after week four, if I'm not mistaken.

Nah.

I think that's one of the reasons why they ended up signing

because of that.

But see, this is what's concerning because we saw this last year with Sam Darnold.

Remember late in the season?

When they started playing, when they got had to play Detroit and they had to play teams with defenses, and we see what happened,

that concern, look, their defense is going to keep them in every game.

Absolutely.

Their defense is going to keep them in every game because they're that good.

Now, when they get with the Spoonbank,

but that D-line, that front seven,

Lennon Williams, Ernest Jones, the fourth, Lennon Williams, number a day.

The real deal.

How close do you think they are?

Well, no.

All right, that's that's kind of.

I think the Rams is the best team in that division.

Okay.

Me personally.

Because it's an offense.

But if if if

their defense good too now don't sleep on their defense but are they as good as are they as good as the seahawks

but let me ask you a question is the seahawks offense as good as the rams absolutely not especially because remember that they they did what they did to jacksonville without puka yeah

they can run it with kyron williams i think the rams running game is a little better than the seahawks Let's just say for the sake of argument, I think their passing game.

I definitely know the quarterback is better.

Matthew Stafford is better than Sam darnold

now you're going to go wide receiver you say puka devonta adams higby uh uh are they as good as is seattle right yes yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely so i'll i'll get i'll give them i'll give them the nod they can rush the passer with those two guys on the edge

they're good they're really good you got to forget now we the seattle does have a triple crown winner that was just on that ram team not too long ago

yeah

but oh Joe, oh, he ain't the same, oh, Joe, you know that you watch it.

Wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, okay.

Even if he's not the same, there's certain players they're they're 100% 100,

or them being at 80 is sometimes better than other players that are at 100.

Of course, he's not

now when you're looking, not when you're looking at the Rams.

So, let me ask you a question: Is he better than Devontae?

Absolutely not.

Okay, is he better than Puka?

No,

no, so what do we do?

So, if he's their number, if he's their number two receiver,

Puka's number one.

He's number two.

Now, if you want to say

JSN and Puka right there neck and neck because Puka's made the Pro Bowl.

Puka's a 100-catch guy back-to-back season, if I'm not mistaken.

So we know what Puka is.

JSN is special.

He's really, I mean, this is really my first time just getting an opportunity to sit down and just watch him.

Ain't no other games on because, oh Joe, you know, I'm trying to watch Seattle and I'm trying to watch this team and I'm trying to watch that team but i'm talking about he had my undivided attention and i'm watching his releases and i'm watching him get in and out of breaks

oh he quicker the cat on the hot table

you know he you know he was down he came out here to uh wide receiver workshop so i was i was yeah oh did he yeah i was up i was able to see it up close and obviously he got feet on him oh joe he got some good feet on him he got some real good feet on him it's one thing it's one thing you think is you hear about players and you think oh he come from ohio state so they just hype up those individuals but he is everything he's advertised to be, especially when you get to see it up close in person.

And then you see it happen tonight.

Obviously, not just tonight, but obviously

throughout the entirety of the season.

So it gives you a better understanding.

Oh, now I get it.

Now I see what all the hype was for.

Now I see why it was so easy for them to let DK Metcalf go,

let Tyler Lockett go because they understood what they had on their hands.

They got something special.

Oh,

he's the real deal, Locho.

He is the real deal.

And, you know, hey, after next season, they're going to have to come see him.

He's going to probably be, he's going to, A, he's going to look to get that high 30.

He's going to be in the high 30s, 40 million.

I don't know how, because here's the thing.

That contract, by the time he gets his contract, that contract to be almost three years old.

You can't keep saying, well, no, no, no, no, no.

We keep dropping that.

We keep driving that price up.

We're not going to just, hey, we're not just going to get slotted.

Oh, Chase, oh, no, Chase was the best.

He got that money three years ago.

Now it's time for us to pole ball, even if we're not.

But man, that joker there, man, he is so quick, oh Joe.

Damn, in and out of the breaks.

And he's so spiritual.

He's more quick than fast.

He's not breaking fast.

Oh, yes.

But

he's so goddamn quick and he's able to manipulate DBs.

But you ain't see that.

You didn't see that.

I saw that release.

He faked him inside and he got outside on it.

I'm talking about

the Dino route on Stingley.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the thing is, Gojo, perfect,

a perfect throw beat, perfect coverage.

You can't throw, you can't play it anymore better than that, because

I got to honor that for the simple fact, Ocho, is that he could possibly run the seven route on me.

So I just can't sell out to the post.

Ain't nobody in the hole.

But if you look at when Sam Darner threw that ball, he hadn't even broke yet.

That ball was out in his body.

He's already gone.

Now, the only thing I will say,

Stingley gave up a seven route with a safety in the hole.

Bro, run to his hip.

If you run the post, the safety should knock you out.

I need to be doing this to the ambalance to come get you.

But

you're not finna run no seven route.

and cover and cover one on me.

Because guess what?

I ain't going for the post move because I got a safety in the hole.

I'm gonna run to your hip

because that's where I'm vulnerable.

And guess what?

Get them every time because you know what, man, I'm finna get off in the undercut this seven route.

I'm finna undercut.

You see, they get so caught up, man.

I'm gonna d up, ocho.

They get that, oh, Joe, you give them that head.

Oh, I'm gonna get this one.

I'm gonna get this one, bro.

You got help there.

You weak over here.

No, no need to cheat.

You get them every time.

No need to cheat it.

but uh

man

i don't know what's it

look cj's 23 or 49 229 one touch uh one touchdown one interception he was sacked three times he was pressured relentlessly dodged the bullet he got stripped sacked the guy fumbled the ball that should have been a that should have been a that was a fumble but ended up turning into a

touchdown

It could have, should have, it absolutely should have been a touchdown.

The offensive line, I don't know what they doing.

I don't.

I mean, you look at them and sometimes you got two guys walking one guy and another guy running scot-free.

Bro, pass that is

off

and don't turn your body.

Just put a hand there so you can see it's coming.

Because once you do this, it's a wrap to try to turn back.

That guy going to be on your shoulder so fast, man.

You ain't got no chance.

Guys just don't.

I don't, I don't get it, Ojo.

And they spend all week long.

And I'm sure the offensive line coach say, keep your body square.

Make sure you are between the defender and your quarterback.

Keep your body, and they turn their shoulders every time.

And then, and they know they slow with them high-ass

boots on to come to your calf.

Know damn well, you ain't got no fast twist at all.

But they,

I don't know, Ocho.

I just, I mean, I'm looking at the Houston Texans, and they 17 carries, 56 yards.

Dalton Schultz was the leading receiver tonight.

He had nine catches for 98 yards.

Noel had four for 77.

Nico Collins had four for 27.

I don't understand what happened.

What is happening?

What is happening?

Listen, I would get ready to ask you.

I've watched them.

I've watched them since his rookie year.

And for some reason, the Houston Texans look completely different.

They look completely different.

Their rookie year, oh my goodness, they're phenomenal.

We're praising C.J.

Stroud for coming in and changing the franchise, you know, in one year and then turning them around.

And now we we we we three years in and I really can't understand what the problem is or where things have gone wrong I

honestly don't know it looks at at times at times watching the Texans it looks like they don't belong

or they or they haven't prepared or the officer line CJ Shroud is running for his life I mean I just you have guys running scot-free

I don't know there's always something there's always a hole there's always something going wrong with them offensively where it's like there's no way there's CJ Shroud has no time to throw the ball.

No,

they got they're gonna have to do something about that, man.

Um, because

and it's a combination, it's never all the quarterback's fault, it's never all the offensive line fault.

I mean, I think there's enough blame for everybody to go around, go around,

but I'm not nearly as sold on CJ right now as I was after his rookie season

Because you know how you and I, we talked about it, like, oh man,

well, this is the, this to, hey, this is the B's needs, this is the cast me out.

Um, and it's been a combination

between the offensive line and him, you know, missing throws.

I thought, I think a lot of time he spent after that rookie season, spending time telling people how great he was and how great he's going to be.

And,

bro, I don't know if you noticed, but them guys don't care.

Oh, you go, oh, you, oh, you that.

Oh, you, you, you, Patrick Mahomes now.

Oh, you mentioned your.

Hey, listen.

He can get it done.

He is special.

He's another one coming out of Ohio State.

He is everything that is advertised, but unless you have everyone else raising their level of play, it's very difficult for you to do what you need to do.

It's very difficult for you to look like you look your rookie year when now they got film on you.

What do we do?

How many, how many?

See, that's the thing, Ocho.

How many sacks did they?

How many sacks did they allow rookie year?

Look up, CJ.

How many sacks that offensive line gave up

now?

You're getting heat, you're getting hit, they flush you out of the pocket.

But here, but here, here's the thing, Ojo.

When you start out like here,

no matter what, you can't ever come down to here.

Right,

they expect you to go up.

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Six games.

Yep, six games.

So

it's two and a half.

So another six games would be 30.

They have a chance out of the right foot.

Man, I ain't talking about pro football focus.

They don't hear this.

They have pro football focus.

uh their offensive line isn't very good i don't need pro ball focus to tell me that i don't know what they i don't care what they're graded i have a question i'm glad you said the offensive line is not that good why did they let they best their best uh offensive lineman go why did they let lamsey tuns go

i have no idea

and when you got it sacked as many times as you did last year and somehow you thought you was going to get better maybe they didn't want to pay that salary i don't know maybe they're going to redirect because you know you you you know what's happening no joe you're going to have to pay will anderson jr you see what michael parsons just got

okay your quarterback's gonna be up too at this third year

okay

so you got to make a decision but paying a quarterback when you ain't got nobody to protect him that don't make much at all

it may it makes none at all and there is there is no there's no safety valve up there there's no identity on that offensive line somebody you can count on so they they got they got they got to fix that they got to fix that i don't know maybe maybe the texans need to have uh the texans off the line need to have a kumbaya moment a a coming to life moment simmers with what the goddamn bengals had the other night when we played uh when we played the steelers because they kept flacco flacco got touched what once if i'm not mistaken they did a great job of protecting flacco but ocho it comes down to like you know what i'm just tired of getting my ass kicked

i mean it was a very sloppy game i mean you had 22 penalties that were called that were accepted for damn near 200 yards.

Both teams were atrocious on third down.

The Texas was 2 of 15.

The

Seahawks was 2 of 14.

It was

nasty.

This was a hard game to watch.

And I understand, you know, Seattle had a vestor's interest.

They had their team.

Unfortunately, they ended up losing in game seven to Advance advance to the World Series.

Toronto, congratulations.

4-3.

Springer hit a home run, I think, in the eighth to give them a 4-3 lead.

And then they, they, so that means the C, excuse me, the Blue Jays will face the Dodgers in game one of the World Series.

I don't know when that series start,

but

I was,

it looks like Seattle was going to blow this game open.

And then they got too cute.

There was no reason for you to run a wide receiver pass.

You're doing great.

You're doing great, Ocho.

You don't need to do that.

I mean,

why?

Why, why, why do that at this juncture of the game?

Ocho, everything we doing, everything.

It's like if I'm an investor, all my thing, I'm just buying blue chips.

I'm doing this.

You know what?

They got this one thing over there.

I don't know.

But it could be big dividends for us.

Yeah.

Big reward come with big risk.

Hey, but listen, what if they made it though?

What if they made it?

Then it blows, it puts the game, it puts the game out of reach.

Matter of fact, at that point, hell, some people might stop watching.

Ocho, you're you think about it.

You run trick plays, Ocho, when you like

when you're on that side of the field, you get the ball, you run a gadget play, not when you're going up and down the damn field.

And every hey, listen, everything else is working,

everything's working.

So,

but they do get a win.

Texas fan of the chat says,

the Texas fan of chat said Houston should have taken JSN.

Man, you're not taking no JSN over no quarterbacks.

It's easy to say that now.

Everybody say that now.

I mean, you go back to 85, and you probably say they should have taken Jerry Rice.

You're not taking.

a running, you're not taking

a dependent guy

on a guy that's going to have the ball in his hand every time.

You're just not.

I mean, Will Anderson has been to the Pro Bowl.

Oh, no.

I mean, if you want to say, look,

Jameer Gibbs has been sensational.

You go back and look at that draft.

I mean, Bijan Robinson has been sensational.

I mean, you know, Anthony Richardson is really one of the questions mark Spoon.

He's out, but he's a Pro Bowl player.

Paz Johnson has had it tough.

The Raiders, Tyree Wilson,

but Bijan Robinson, we know what he represents.

Jalen Carter.

Darnell Wright.

Skaronska.

Jameer Gills has been sensational.

Lucas Van Ness.

Yeah, it's easy to say all those things now, Ocho,

because

you see what JSN is but

did it but did nobody say that after his rookie season ain't nobody said houston should have taken jsn over cj stroud after their rookie you know what you had you weren't able to see it uh um you weren't you weren't able to get a sample size of his body work that's why you don't you don't know what you're getting I still wouldn't take JSN over CJ Stroud.

No, no, no, no, no.

I'm not taking no damn receiver over no quarterback.

So

by that thing, would you take Jamar Chase over Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Matthew Stafford, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert?

Would you take your best receiver in the game?

Absolutely not.

No.

No.

Because you understand catching the ball, what it's like to have somebody that's not at that level trying to get you ball.

Hey, it's hard.

When you have Carson, it's like, man.

Then you get somebody that's not Carson.

You're like, well, damn.

It's a different ballgame.

You take for granted when you got a guy like that because you think man it's me man i be dealing out here i hey you give me anybody i can do this yeah okay

damn i can't

i can't do this with anybody

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Ocho, in the game before that, the Lions beat the Bucs 24-9.

Jameer Gibbs, 218 yards from scrimmage.

He had 17 carries, a buck, 36.

He had 82 yards on three catches.

Ocho, they had that combo block.

You see that, what was the guard that tackled

the deal to combo block,

moved that D8 out of the way, got up on that backer.

And when he hit that hole, I said, bro,

I felt bad for Winfield Jr.

because they're like, bro, that man got a head.

Well, stop running.

You best, hey, he should have just started taking up, try to run it, and try to intercept him at the five.

He took an angle.

That angle ain't matter.

Listen, Jameer Gibbs, Jameer Gibbs is probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson.

He's probably the closest thing we have to Chris Johnson right now in the NFL at the running back position.

He doesn't get talked about enough.

We talk about B.

John Roe.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got that kind of speed.

Yes, he got that kind of speed, though, Joe.

He looked fast.

You show, he sure does.

But you can't let a guy with that kind of speed, Ocho, come to the line of scrimmage upstairs.

Once he gets past the, you don't make him check his feet.

Listen, sometimes, even if you make him check his feet, he still might get you.

True.

True.

But, but

without checking his feet, you got

at all.

At all.

Ocho, you got to think about it.

He didn't get touched.

Right through that, clean.

And hey, hold on.

That's like, it's like we say about Derrick Henry.

You got to make him check his feet.

Because if you let him get a run and start coming downhill, hell no, I don't nobody want to tackle it.

Who?

I'm going to make a business decision.

I'm going to hit every shoelace he got.

I'm going to let him get past me and jump on his back.

Hey, hell no.

You ain't going to knock me out.

Hell no.

24 to 9.

Detroit go to 5-2.

Tampa falls to 5-2.

Jerry Goff was 20-29, 241, one touchdown one interception was sacked four times me i don't think either quarterback paid particularly well i thought baker had the worst of the two nights because he was high on a lot of throws he missed

ibuka twice for touchdowns he had ibuka once and hit the db in the back and then he had another one that he did he wasn't able to step into it uh uh he undershot him on that one But I thought he was high.

He missed a lot of throws.

He had a lot of guys open, though, Joe.

He was high tonight for some reason.

I don't know if the pressure got to him or what the case was but he was high on a lot of throws tonight uh they didn't run the ball particularly well uh 12 they didn't have a whole lot of rush attempts uh 12 carries for 41 yards baker threw it 50 times because they fell behind they were down 14 to 3.

um and then jerry goff had uh had that turnover

but uh

Detroit defense is playing unbelievable.

Hey, they got to give Kelvin Shepherd his flowers.

They got to give Kelvin.

Shepherd.

Oh, he's doing hell of a job.

Not only did he call one hell of a game, right?

Understand all the injuries that they had right now.

The whole back end is gone damn near.

Terry Arnold.

Carrie Joseph, Brian Robinson, Armstead.

Kirby Joseph.

I mean, Arnold, excuse me, Arnold.

Not Armstead.

Arnold.

Man, they

Brian Branch, Terry and Out.

Oh, Brian Branch.

No, Carrie Rob.

Carrie, what's Carrie Joseph?

Kirby.

Kerry Joseph.

He's Kirby.

No, it's Kerry.

Yeah, Kirby.

Kirby Joseph.

Arnold.

So they got three starters out in the secondary.

And those guys that came.

Oh, they played their ass off.

Was ball in.

Balling.

They played their ass off.

Hallett, eight tackles.

What you call was being his disruptive self, Hutchinson.

He didn't have a sack, but he caught a.

Hutchins nice now.

Hutch nice.

Yeah.

Wheat had had a sack of a half.

Barris had a sack.

Jack Campbell had a sack.

The offense didn't look like itself, though, today, huh?

It ain't look like itself.

And obviously, you're going against the Tampa Bay defense.

They ain't no slouch either.

They ain't no slouch either.

So I think that's why it almost looks,

I hate using the word human, but most of the time we watch the Lions offense, they do things that are different from everybody else.

They take chances that other teams definitely wouldn't take going forward for fourth and four going forward for fourth and two i mean they put a lot of pressure on you can't relax

exactly exactly so and see that's the thing

normal tonight

with the lions

it's really four downs because a lot of teams you're like okay we get to third a we let's get off the field on third down

Nah, there's a great chance you're probably going to have to stay on the field.

If it's fourth and four, let's depending on where, first of all, if it's fourth and one, if they're near midfield, they're going to as well.

If they're on the other side of midfield, and if it's probably fourth and

territory,

they're going to yeah, they put a lot of they put a lot of damn pressure on you, and it and it's hard to stay focused because they're so creative, they do a lot of things.

Hey, man, you saw this swing that ball to Jameer Gibbs and Panay Sewe was out there running.

Hey, Panay was moving, huh?

Yes, I'm like, wait a minute, look at buddy, yeah, I'm glad glad Winfield dodged him

because he running that fast.

He'd hit somebody.

He'd have hurt somebody, man.

Almond Ross St.

Brown was Almond Ross St.

Brown.

He had six catches, 86 yards, a touchdown.

Gibbs with three from 82.

Gibbs, again, 17 carries, a buck 36, two touchdowns.

I don't know.

Look, we talk about these backs and there's some great backs, but right now, Gibbs, Bishon Robinson, uh, and Jonathan Taylor, they're they're they're they're they're the top three backs currently playing in the NFL.

Absolutely, you know what?

I hate the fact that we have to leave Saquon off that list, but I think at some point

as the season goes on, I think things will open up.

He just has to continue to be patient, keep on chugging.

You know, though, those runs are going to come because as you start to have success in the past,

maybe,

just maybe,

defenses say, okay, you know what?

We're not going to make Jay.

We're not going to allow Jalen Hurst to beat us.

Since Saquon hasn't had any success so far this season, let's see if he can still do what he did last season.

Yeah.

C-Mac is in that because C-Mac has been sensational.

C-Mac is always going to be in there because he's so versatile.

We saw yesterday, Ocho, 7K Letterman, rushing and receiving.

He can go get you a 120.

He can go get you 70, you know, 660, 70 yards receiving.

It's just that

the pounding that he takes, because you give him the ball 22 times on handoffs, and then you throw it to him another seven, eight times.

That's 30 carries.

He's not Derrick Henry.

He's 205.

He's not 245.

That's a lot of pounding for a man that's not big in stature.

Now, he plays big, runs off, and he's just not a guy.

That's what I love about him and Gibbs because they're just not outside runners.

They run between the tackles.

Straight downhill.

So it's hard to get a pinpoint where when he's in the game, look to look for tosses, look for pitches, look for him to get outside.

Nah, hell no.

They'll run that thing up between the tackles.

They'll run power.

They'll run out.

Yes.

Yes.

And

I love that about them.

But

look,

Detroit's going to be there every time.

Every time.

I still think Tampa, I think Tampa's good.

They had a bad night tonight.

Baker, this was the worst game that Baker's played thus far.

He's still in the MVP conversation.

He's allowed other guys to catch up with him.

Wait, whoa, whoa.

You know, you've allowed Matt Stafford after that performance, even though he didn't throw for a ton of yards, five touchdowns and five touchdowns.

Mahome boy,

he was never out of it.

He's always going to be in a discussion

because he's always going to have except those first two weeks.

He definitely wasn't in a discussion.

Yeah, yeah.

But

when it's all said and and done, no, the first two weeks, hell no, he wasn't in contention.

But you knew, you know, based on his resume,

there's a good chance when it's all said and done, he's going to end up 30-plus touchdowns.

He's going to be over 4,000 yards.

And he's going to be, you know, now they got an offensive line that can protect him.

Yeah.

Man.

It's

Mike Evans, Ocho, suffered a broken clavicle.

He's going to miss the remainder of the 2025 season.

Todd Bowles says after the game, he'll be out mostly towards the end of the season.

We'll see what happens.

It all depends on Ocho.

Sometimes they put a pin in it.

Sometimes they let it heal on its own.

Now, when it heals on its own, it's going to calcify.

You have a big old bump on your shoulder, like I got on mine.

It's painful.

I know it's painful.

I can tell you that.

Whoo, ain't no position to sleep.

Ain't no position that you can get in that's comfortable.

Listen, hey, like trying to brush your teeth.

Hey, come on in here, brush my teeth.

Okay, you can't do it, huh?

Bad, I feel, hey, man, I felt so bad.

But hey, any movement, don't you?

I mean, I had to sleep.

You know, I had one of the bands that, you know, because I had to sleep sitting up.

You could, you lay down.

Oh, that pressure.

You try to lay on the side that's not broken.

Oh, and don't you, don't you forget?

Oh, I'm going to let.

Hold on.

Didn't you tell us a story about you thought you was comfortable?

You thought was, you was a little, you, you felt good.

You was on the treadmill.

Yes.

Yes.

I broke the scar tissue.

Yeah.

But man,

and what he was, he was tied with Jerry or he was one 1,000-yard season behind Jerry.

Hey, that's

11,000

yards

for

11, 1,000, consecutive.

Because I think Jerry got like 13, 14, but consecutive.

Because Jerry, Jerry snapped his streak in 87 and 97 because

he broke his

Warren Sapp tackled him.

He tore his ACL.

He came back that same season.

He did it the first game.

And then

week 16, he came back.

Hey, I wonder how he did that.

Don't start me to lying.

I'm telling you, he came back and he caught two touchdowns against us.

He's tied with Jerry 11 consecutively.

No, he's not going to pass him.

Because he was one behind him.

And remember, he hurt his hamstring last year and came back and they got it.

But

he has the one in the third Genetic Co.

Well, yeah, because Jerry didn't have 1,085 when he came in.

And then Jerry went 80 from 86 all the way through 96.

And then he picked right back up and got a thousand more.

And then he got a thousand in 98.

I don't think he got a thousand in 99

because that was his last year.

That was his last, if I'm not mistaken, that was his last year.

No,

2000 might have been his last year.

Yeah,

2000 might have been his last year.

It might have been 2001 because I remember and Sam Frayan.

He was with the Raiders.

97.

He must have heard.

No, he that's when he tore his ACL.

Okay, okay.

98.

He came back and did it.

He got 800 two seasons with the road.

And then in 2001, he had to go to two with,

yeah.

Yeah, because I know he got like 13,000 catch seasons, 13, uh, 1,000-yard receiving seasons.

He got 14

because I know he had a thousand at 40.

He had a thousand.

He had a thousand receiving yards at 40.

He had 1,200, I think.

They feed you that rock, baby.

Yeah,

uh,

yes, the night.

Look, uh,

and everybody's gonna go.

There are very few games that you go scot-free that you just like, okay, he's the MVP front runner.

And every game he plays that he plays like that.

You're gonna have ups and downs, it's gonna be ebb and flow.

Because look, we thought Lamar had it, and then Lamar had a little dick up, and then Josh Allen was doing his thing, did his thing, and

ended up

sneaking past him.

But

look, Baker's had a phenomenal season.

He had this one game, and

he didn't play well tonight.

But do I think he'll have another game like he had tonight?

No, I don't think so.

I don't.

Now

they're going to have to get,

they lose.

Mike Evans.

They're going to have to get Chris Godwin.

That too.

And to help alleviate some of that pressure on the book now terror johnson is playing well he's a small guy

but he can't quit he can he can run to he can run two now

but but i i like i like what they've done with with with the absence in the absence of mike evans and chris godwin and they keep moving the book around in different positions they keep moving around putting him in motion putting him in a slot condensing the splits sometimes having them out wide so you're putting him in different positions to be able to make those plays that mike Evans would make, some of the plays that Chris Godwin would make.

And they're keeping you guessing on defense where he's going to be at.

And I think that's why he's had so much success when you're like, well, hell, Mike Evans is out, Chris Godwin is out.

Well, hell, all we got to do and double number two.

But nothing has seemed to work because he's been productive.

He had a hell of a string of what?

What before he heard his hamstring last week?

He was going crazy.

Yeah.

And look,

Bucky Irving.

I believe Bucky Irving is their best running back.

He's not been, he's not been there the last couple of games.

You get Chris Godwin back, you put him with a Buka, you put him with Sterling Shepard, uh, Tez Johnson.

I think they have more than enough weapons.

That defense is going to keep him in every game, the defense is going to keep him in every game

because that defense is really good, they're good against the run.

Uh,

the Aba,

you know, hey, what'd you

What's be the babe?

Hey,

he's going to collapse the pocket.

Levante Davis still playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Winfield Jr., one of your better safeties.

He's good in coverage.

He can come up and tackle.

No,

I like what they have in Tampa.

Still believe they're the best team in that division.

Jamel Dean is playing really well at the corner position.

They're going to be in the conversation

at the end when it's all said and done.

Yeah.

Oh, Joe.

Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel says Tule will be the starting quarterback this week.

And his explanation is that they will not throw 10 picks.

Check this out, Ocho.

My expectation.

Yeah, he's going to take the snaps this week, and he's going to, they're started started this week and uh my expectation is that uh we don't um throw 10x

so that's why you so you you hope he don't so you're gonna start it look no i can tell you why i can tell you why he's starting on

q Quinn Ewers isn't ready to play.

Not only is Quinn Ewers not ready to play, you ain't benching no $40 million quarterback.

No.

You just paid him four months ago.

You just paid him five months ago.

I ain't putting him on the bench, not making it out with that kind of of price tag.

They're gonna put his ass on the bench and they're gonna look the movie after the season.

Wait, who, who the dog?

Who the dog?

Who we, matter of fact, let me see.

I'm not done.

Quinn Ewers and they got Sam Darn and I got uh Zach Wilson.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to understand.

Who do the Dolphins, who do we, who do we have this Sunday?

Falcons.

Oh, shit.

God damn it.

Ocho, I'm just trying to figure out what y'all trying to accomplish go get that drop pick

you do realize we just

hold on it's two way in the first first year or second year of his deal

second year

god damn

they said that about they said they said that same thing about you know who

russ oh man they just paid rust they're gonna get rid of russ what do they do ojo

you you right packers said the same they said the same thing about aaron rodgers with the packers what did they do ojo you're right

hey but they they had a plan they had a plan they had a plan b i don't think the dolphins have a plan b right now yours is not the answer and have any the broncos they have no plan b they drafted okay you're right

you're right

they're just like we just know he's not the answer So we're moving on.

The question the Dolphins are going to have to ask themselves, they already know this.

Two is not the answer.

And I don't believe he can go back in the locker room after what he said and what he said.

It's hard to come back.

That is just me coming from a guy

that was in the locker room.

You know this as well as I do.

I just don't believe he can go back in there and lead those guys.

That's not to say he can't go somewhere else and leave.

But then

that stain is already on you, though, huh?

That stain is already on you.

And it doesn't matter if you go to the other team.

It's still there,

it's still going to be the topic of conversation.

But damn, when he was when he was

elsewhere, shoot, man, he snitched on them, but you know, hey, you know how we, you know, how these young folk talk now.

Oh, man, he snitched on them, boy.

Man, we get, man, don't even,

they won't look at you the same.

Hey, don't say nothing, don't say nothing wrong to him,

yeah.

Hey, man, listen, killer talking ass,

damn, that's messed up, man.

I like him, though.

I like him.

Good dude.

Good dude.

Good dude.

Good person.

He means well.

He just, I mean, like, I don't, I don't know what made him think that saying what he said in front of the media was going to be received.

How did he think?

How did he think that was going to be received, though, Joe?

I don't know.

Honestly.

Yeah, yeah, to put them on blast.

No, Tour, you can't put them on blast.

You can't.

I mean, you also have also as the quarterback, as that captain, you have to be more self-aware and understanding that you got to also protect those that are in-house.

You got to protect them people.

I just, I don't know what he was thinking, Ocho.

I don't know how he thought that was going to be made.

Yeah, man, I'm doing a good thing.

This is leadership right here.

Maybe he did think that, huh?

Maybe the mere fact that they came late lets you know what your leadership was in question.

Lamar Jackson calls a meeting.

Who's showing up late?

Patrick Mahomes shows up.

Baker Mayfield calls a meeting.

I'd be there.

But get,

let's put it in, okay?

We already know the top top dogs.

Lamar,

Josh, Joe, my homeboy.

We already know.

They call the meeting, everybody showing.

Let's take it a step, Matthew Stafford, but let's go, Baker Mayfield.

They're going to show up on time

because of your leader.

Because you're the highest paid, that'll make you the leader.

I don't care who had XC on it.

Guys know who got the locker room determines the leader, not coaches.

And your play helps as well.

Hey,

that's the number one thing that makes you a leader.

That's the number one thing.

Yeah,

and when that's not, when your way with his play hasn't been leaderish.

If there's such a word.

Hey, when your your words and what you say in the media it don't match up

something something and listen is uchi wally or is one mike both of them can be bad

that calls a meeting jaden daniels calls a meeting

i'm there i don't even play for them and i'm gonna be in the meeting

that's that that tells you everything i i and i said this and look i i i don't but i just i just don't see how he goes back in that locker room and lead those guys.

A fresh start sometimes, Ocho, a fresh start is what's needed.

Yes.

Sometimes, hey,

sometimes a relationship, and that's what a player in an organization is, it's a relationship.

Sometimes, you know what?

It's just best that we go our separate ways.

That's not to say that you won't find somebody that you'll be great with.

that doesn't mean i won't find somebody that i'll be great with but i just know us together working

hey i don't like the way that sound because you got to understand dolphin fans dolphin fans have been in the same situation since marino's been gone we haven't been able to find someone

to be able to lead the ship for a very long time

we haven't well we haven't found a quarterback that we can say say you know what we don't have to worry about this position.

Now we can build around.

We always seem to find ourselves starting over from scratch.

Sometimes, oh, Cho, I'm going to tell you, like my grandfather told a guy, he says, You like a Monday, you look better going than coming.

So,

hell no,

I like that.

So that's what

I just think

Stephen Ross probably is probably going to clean house.

Greer is probably going to lose his job.

Damn.

Oh, Joe.

Think about it.

They went all in.

They did.

They traded for Bradley Chubb.

They traded for

Jay Ram.

They traded for Tyreek.

they paid to her yeah they did go all in they did they did yes

with phillips they had collance campbell i mean i

what else can they do

that that small that small window of opportunity it it just it didn't

you you basically got a two to three year when you go all in you basically got two to three years when you got you see what the rams did when they went all in they traded for von miller they had a uh uh leonard floyd They make the trade for Matthew Stafford.

You go get an Odell.

You got Ram.

Okay,

we got a two, three-year window

because then we're going to have to break it up and have to retool it another way.

So

they capitalize though, and it worked.

You draft a Puka,

you get Kyron Williams, you go get Burst, you go get the other guy on the other side.

You see how they rebuild it up.

That's what you have to do.

The right way, but it's easier for them because they already got the most important piece.

The quarterback is already set in place.

Once you got the most important piece, hell, it's easy to build from there.

Yeah.

Oh, Joe, Isaiah Rogers had a bad day on the football field.

They gave up a 79-yard touchdown to Devontae Smith.

He gave up a touchdown to AJ Brown and his DMs were on swole, but nothing caused him to deserve to be look at what he said.

We got it up on the screen.

Go effing

it face you effing suck,

effing third down.

You know it's a pass.

You just gave the Eagles the win.

Good

F face.

You know, with all FL, if they really want to get up under your skin, you know they're going to, hey,

they got to put that in in there.

They got to put that, they got to put that within there.

You're worse than Hitler.

He'll have never been picked up.

Worthless piece of crap.

Waste of air.

N-word again.

Oh, man.

Hey, that's funny, boy.

That's funny.

And listen,

at this day and age,

as growing.

oh yeah he goes oh yo denny then he's like all right bro my bad just lock in nah nah no no delete now no keep that name no

what you mean all right just no no no no no no you should have just that's what you should have said at first yeah come on bro hey lock in nah but you want to get all that off listen

you understand the climate we in

you understand the climate we're in they're fans when you're playing well when you're not playing well they'll they'll tell you they'll tell you and talk to you truly how they feel about you.

Yes.

That's all.

It's the world we live in.

But

once you realize, Ocho,

they applaud what you do, not who you are, you're fine.

The mistake

is that they applaud what you do, not who you are.

And listen, they're not a fan of you.

They're a fan of the team that you happen to play for.

Exactly.

and then guess what because that's how he really feel

because when i get up when i get upset the first thing that i go to when i get somebody the first thing i i ain't thinking the most what is the worst thing that i know right oh you're in

or

that ain't what i do

But they try to go, what's the lowest thing?

What is the most hurtful thing that I can say?

That I can get a rise out of said individual and you can get a rise now you can get a rise if you really care about it he probably see isaiah rogers what's up rogers hey bro what up man good dapping him up

i i just i just don't get it i just

that's why i never would that's why i mean i i don't know how other people react to it words stuff type i'll let that stuff bother me i could care less it go in one the other well i i well

did you did you get this what did they have uh

uh did they have twitter and ig when you played before the end of my career yeah yeah oh okay yeah i i didn't care i don't care i didn't care what you say oh yeah i i understand the world we live in i understand even though you can't see it the way people feel it's still out there

oh yeah for sure and i understand that so well they got it well they got they got a they got a they got a a a black card

that have unlimited access to say whatever you want to know in the climate that we're in now.

We're as divisive as we've ever been as a country.

I don't see it getting any better on the horizon.

I stay in my lane.

I ain't got time to argue with y'all.

I'm not going back and forth with y'all.

I know how y'all feel about me.

I'm going to stay in my, I'm going to keep it moving.

Go ahead.

But

I've been very blessed, Ocho, is that when I travel, and you and I both travel a lot over,

everybody is great.

I haven't met not one person.

It's just people that hide behind their computer screens.

You know,

everybody got thumb muscles.

What kind of muscles?

Thumb muscles.

Because they tight real tough.

Hey, that's funny.

Damn, man.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I know what I did was wrong, and I should never have done that.

Why you shouldn't have never done it?

So now your boss might see that.

It might cost you your job.

Hey, Hey, you change your tone up real quick.

Yeah, he didn't put your name.

Oh, he lucky.

He could have been messy too now.

He could have been very messy.

That's a part of it.

It's always been a bad thing.

Think about this, Ocho.

That's because he played bad.

You used to get this just because

you were that color.

Think about if he went through this, think about what Jackie Robinson went through.

Think about what all the black players went through.

Think about they had a rule.

I ain't gonna even say, Look, but there used to be an NFL, they wouldn't allow black players then.

But we're going to we ain't gonna talk about that, Ocho.

Think about that just because,

just because

I hadn't done anything.

I just want, hey, I just want to make a living.

That's it.

I'm going to feed my kids.

That's it.

Yeah, he when he picked up the yeah.

The statement from the Minnesota Vikings: we are disgusted by the racial slurs directed at Isaiah Rogers following yesterday's game.

As we have said previously, there is simply no room for racist words or action in sports or society.

We support Isaiah and all players who unfortunately experience this type of ignorant and prejudicial behavior far too often.

And we ask our fans to continue to fight to eliminate racism.

Yeah.

Hey, yes.

We've been putting out quotes and speeches and putting

symbols,

logos, and slogans.

Painting the street and

you say, oh, yo, love over hate and racism, all that other stuff that ain't.

It's not stopping.

It ain't going nowhere.

It ain't going nowhere.

I just, how you treat, how you treat me.

I understand it.

I know you don't like me.

Okay.

We ain't got to deal with each other.

We ain't got to deal with each other.

Oh, Joe.

If I know somebody doesn't like me, why do I, why am I, why would I go?

Why would I go to anything that that person is having?

Why would I give, I don't follow people that don't like me.

I don't go to their page.

That's what I don't get.

You, oh, you don't like something that I said.

You on my page.

I didn't say it to you.

I don't get it.

I don't.

And I never would, you know what, Ocho?

Everything is not meant to be understood.

I mean, I had to learn that.

If you understand the history of it,

you know, it's not going nowhere.

Oh, I understand it.

Yeah.

You know, you know, you have some that you have some that are genuinely not like that, huh?

Genuinely not like that.

Don't have a hate and a bad bone in their body.

And yeah, I think, you know, the thing is, and I obviously, clearly, uh, I've been retired two decades, and none of this was out when I was done.

But I'm not so sure I would have been on social media

when I played during the season.

I had a singular focus, and you know, look, I

everybody wasn't happy, everybody's not going to be happy for you.

But I expect, oh, Joe, when I, when you went to Pittsburgh, you expected to

tell me I saw, just keep it, hey, just keep it, just keep it, hey, we're going to keep everything above the belt.

No low blows.

You ain't got to call me in.

You ain't got to talk about my mom and stuff like that.

All that ain't necessary.

Because you and I both know if I'm walking down the street, you ain't going to say, hey, Ian.

All that stuff that you say on Twitter and that you all tough about, y'all not going to say that.

Y'all not.

No.

At least I haven't met anybody.

People look, can my son take a picture with you?

I mean, I get sometimes, hey, bro, I don't want to take no pictures.

And Ocho, you'll see them do this.

Hit the thing, hit the turnaround on the camera and still try to snap it.

Yes.

Or you be sitting in your seat, Ocho, and all of a sudden they pretend like they pretend like they looking at something.

I'm looking just like, oh, you're just like this here.

I'm like, really, bro?

You're not going to ask.

You're just going to take it without my permission.

Hey.

Ocho, I was in the

George was with me the other day.

So this guy coming to me, like, man, can I take a picture?

I was like, bro, he's like,

I don't normally do this.

So why are you doing it?

I said, well, how many famous or semi-famous people you see in the airport?

I've never seen anybody.

That's why you don't do it.

He makes it seem like he just, he just, he's walking down Rodeo Drive and see A-list celebrities and he passing them up.

But he said, yeah, I don't normally do this.

I said, well, how many, you know, famous people or semi-famous people you see in the airport?

I've really never seen no one.

I said, well, that's probably why you don't do it.

A random person's not gonna let you take no picture with them it's so it's so funny when people people say i normally don't do this but listen i hate to bother you

oh but hey i hate to bother you but i'm finna bother you anyway basically

come on man just take the picture but they wait till they get done eating

i'm just about to eat so they getting ready to leave

I'm at the gym.

They done got their workout in.

You mind if I get a picture?

Well, let me get my workout in like you got yours in, and we get one afterwards.

How are you going to get your workout in, finish up?

Then you're going to interrupt my workout.

You didn't interrupt your workout.

Now, when you was working out, not one time did you say, Could you get a picture?

Because you were focused on getting your workout.

Now I'm trying to get mine in.

Hey, you mind if I get a picture?

Yeah, hey, listen.

People already know if you catch me in public,

you good.

You good.

You good.

Hey, I be having people feeling like I done went to high school.

Like, I got people feeling like it's a goddamn high school reunion.

Like, we went to school together or some shit.

I'll put point A to point B.

I'll be booting.

You in and out?

Hey, you mess around and

mess around and stop me, but we'll be sitting there talking for 20 minutes.

I ain't got that kind of time because

we're in a hurry.

We get from point A to point B.

Jordan and I, hey,

I'm in a hurry, OJo.

Because the last thing I boy, I missed my flight.

I mean, one time we almost missed the flight.

We was coming from Houston.

And then we went to

Salt Lake.

Remember, they diverted us to Salt Lake.

Yes.

We had a four-hour delay.

Yes.

And Shelly was on the thing.

Shelly was booked, had her already booked us on another flight.

So, with Shelly, you know, she booked the flight, she'll book one flight and then after flight, and then if we get that one, she'll cancel, you know, she'll cancel it.

But man, I was like, man,

boy, these flights, man, they got to do better than this.