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Speaker 2 The Eagles move to 7-2. The Packers fall to 5-3-1.
And their defense has to be ticked off. You gave up 16 points and you lose to Cleveland.
You gave up 10 points and you lose to the Eagles.

Speaker 2 That's not good enough offensively, and they're going to have to get that fixed.

Speaker 2 I don't think anybody played particularly well on the offensive side of the football, Locho, but we'll dive into that in a minute.

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Ocho Eagles, 10. Packers, 7.

Speaker 2 A scoreless first half. The first time in nearly two years that the NFL has had a scoreless first half.
But the Eagles make enough plays. A big play over the top of 36 yards.

Speaker 2 Jalen Hurts to Devontae Smith, former teammates at the University of Alabama. And that was really the difference in the ball game as they win 10-7.

Speaker 2 Ocho, I'm going to let you take it. Go ahead.

Speaker 10 Unless you're a defensive guy.

Speaker 10 Unless you're a defensive guy, that's the only way you enjoy.

Speaker 2 Your microphone, where you're microphones, you muffled.

Speaker 2 Oh, shoot, my bad.

Speaker 10 Anyway, hey, I'm glad. Yeah,

Speaker 10 I'm glad you said something.

Speaker 2 Can you hear me now?

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah. I say, unless you're a defensive guy, that's the only way you enjoyed this game.

Speaker 2 That's the only way you enjoyed this game.

Speaker 10 You expect, you expect a lot, you expect a lot of points, especially from the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 10 The way we talked about them before the season started with all the weapons that they have, Jordan Love actually continuing to get better, you know, year to year. And it was bad, huh? It was bad.

Speaker 10 Saquon almost got loose a little bit.

Speaker 10 So I expected him to to finally make make make his uh his visit to the party and have it a big game and do some and yeah and do some of the things that jonathan taylor's been doing as of late but that didn't happen um it was a close game it was a game where the team with the fewest mistakes was going to win the team with the fewest mistakes were going to win and in the end there was an opportunity for green bay to be able to tie it and it just it just didn't happen it they they missed i'm not sure if you enjoyed this game maybe you might have liked it uh based based on what you saw but I'm not going to call it a snooze fest because

Speaker 10 I was hyped before the game started. Oh my goodness, the Packers playing? Oh, the Eagles playing.

Speaker 10 I thought maybe it would have been a ball. It's going to be a Barn burner.

Speaker 10 Hey, it was upsetting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it left a lot to be desired. I mean, we're thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to the Pro Bowl, one quarterback

Speaker 2 that's won a Super Bowl. He's been a Super Bowl MVP.
I don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game.

Speaker 2 I thought Jalen Hurts made the throws that he needed to make, especially that big one to Devontae Smith.

Speaker 2 Could have put a nice

Speaker 2 ribbon on that

Speaker 2 nice bow on the box had he hit to drop that one in the bucket to AJ.

Speaker 2 AJ, yeah. I don't care what y'all say, Eagles fan.
Ain't no way AJ coming back next year. But we'll talk about that at

Speaker 2 another date in time. Oh, John, I just don't get Jordan Love.
The mistakes that he makes. They got a third and seven.

Speaker 2 You run the over concept. I'm going to dangle this cheese cheese out here in front of you, hoping somebody go to the short route.

Speaker 2 Boy, don't you throw it. They did.
The Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up.

Speaker 2 They dropped Musgrave on the short route, and you got the end cut coming in behind him for the first down. And he take the seven yards when you need nine.
I'm confused, bro.

Speaker 2 And I was like, damn, I wonder what.

Speaker 2 what LaFleur is thinking. And then he went and looked at it on the iPad.

Speaker 2 He said, you got to be eating me you got to be getting me and then he's getting I mean he steps up in the pocket instead of all these guys breaking free all I mean he got the shallow cross breaking free he got the end cut breaking free he got the over breaking free and he takes off running like he Lamar Jackson bro throw the ball ocho yeah the contract that he got he earned that but he's not meeting expectations of what they happen and i told you i said even with this mica trade are we sure they're better than the Rams?

Speaker 2 I've asked you that. I said, Ocho, are we sure?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And that was a hard one back then.

Speaker 10 To answer that question, honestly, it was a hard one, especially with the way the season started, the expectations that they did have.

Speaker 10 The expectations that we had watching Jordan Love and what he's been able to do

Speaker 10 as of late, I mean, you would think, yeah, they're going to be right down and running.

Speaker 2 Jordan Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for my fancy. And the throws that he's missing on Joe, if that's a rookie quarterback or a second-year quarterback, I'll kind of give him a little

Speaker 2 bit of a

Speaker 2 little grace.

Speaker 2 But when you've a Pro Bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes.

Speaker 2 Bro, you're getting sacked and you're going to do what you do. You try to pat the ball to Josh Jacobs.
Josh Jacobs, okay? They coming on a blitz. You hit the guy and leak out.

Speaker 2 Either break out or break in. You can't keep straight up the field, bro.
You got to give him an angle. He'll throw you the football.

Speaker 2 This is why I can't coach, Ocho. Some things they shouldn't have to tell you.

Speaker 2 You know damn well, Josh Jacobs, you're not going to run no route if you're sleeping out and you're going to keep straight up the field.

Speaker 2 You're going to break out or you're going to break in because you got to give him an angle to throw you the football.

Speaker 2 So I don't blame Jordan Love for that for missing that throw because it's like, bro, if you break out, you give me, I mean, think about it. You got brawn on your hip.
You catch this.

Speaker 2 Ain't no telling how far you're going to go.

Speaker 2 Right. The Eagles, the one thing they're going to do, they're going to make plays.
They're going to find a way to get the ball.

Speaker 2 I thought Green Bay did a great job of Jalen Hurts, get the ball, gets going, picks up a big, and the guy comes in, punches it out. I was like, okay, Green Bay, you might be on to something.

Speaker 2 But you know, you've got to protect the ball for four quarters when you play the Eagles because they're very opportunistic. They'll find a way to get the ball out.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, I just need you to help me with one thing, and then I'm going to let you go take it.

Speaker 2 It's fourth and one.

Speaker 2 Why are you trying to go in a hurry when you've already got, first of all, they missed their first fall start on the quarterback sneaking in the first quarter. They missed that one.

Speaker 2 They damn sure missed the one on the twosh push. I'm trying to figure out how can I see things in real time.
The officials at the damn game can't. We'll get to that in a minute.

Speaker 10 They're not supposed to call it.

Speaker 2 They're not supposed to call it.

Speaker 2 He got fourth and one. This is the money down.

Speaker 2 Take a timeout. Give me your best fourth and one.
Give me your best fourth. Okay, what do we like on fourth and one?

Speaker 2 Hey, George, what do you like on fourth and one?

Speaker 2 We got three options right here. I like this.
Which one do you like?

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Speaker 2 Receivers.

Speaker 2 When they go double tight, when they go jumbo formation, they got four line. They got one center, guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 That extra offensive lineman is a tight end. You got to back your ass up.
You're the Z receiver. The guy to the open side now, he's the X receiver.

Speaker 2 Boy, look here. Sometimes, Ocho, what I get upset about, sometimes I'll be watching these guys play.
If Dynamite was brain, they couldn't blow their nose.

Speaker 2 Boy, look at here.

Speaker 2 This is why, chat. I mean, it's common sense, Ocho.
You got an extra lineman.

Speaker 2 He's on the ball. He's now the tight end.
You got to back off.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 2 The open side is now the ex-receiver.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's just common. It's just so.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's me because

Speaker 2 some things you just like, oh Joe, it's just common knowledge. I could just like really think on the fly and just like, okay, man, I'm supposed to be on the ball.

Speaker 2 I made the mistake one time and it cost us a big play and i promised i'd never be in that situation again i know who's supposed to be on the ball but if he lines up on the ball locho ain't no harm no foul i'll back up off the ball instead of having a play where now all of a sudden we have an illegal formation because me i'm supposed to be on the ball you're supposed to be on the nah nah nah nah you get on the ball I'll get off.

Speaker 2 A lot of times, guys, I like to be on the ball. A lot of times, guys don't like to be on the ball because you're closer to the defender.

Speaker 2 I like being on the ball because it's going to give me an opportunity to get my hands on you. Because I'm going to throw your ass out the lake.

Speaker 2 I ain't going to be doing it.

Speaker 10 You know what that tells me, too, Uncle?

Speaker 10 After one, two, three, three, four, four days to prepare, after three days of two days of real practice, five days of Fast Friday, I mean, one day of Fast Friday, that actual play that they did call in that fourth and one is one that they didn't go over many times.

Speaker 10 One that they didn't rehearse very many times. One that they didn't go through and walk through on Saturday on Saturday mornings, you know, when we talk about situational football.

Speaker 10 In case this comes up on four down, and these are the plays we choose from, this is the alignment that we need. That's that's why that happened.

Speaker 2 They rushed it, ocho. Why are you, ocho? This is the most important.
This is this is for the game. Oh, yeah.
Why would you rush it?

Speaker 2 I would rather take a timeout because the likelihood of you getting the ball back, if uh uh and if you do get the ball back, oh, you're not going to get it back with a whole bunch of time.

Speaker 2 So now, and you look look at the position that you're in, look where you are.

Speaker 2 Bro, I'm like, you got to be kidding me. You rush that on fourth and one.

Speaker 2 Normally, Ocho,

Speaker 2 if I'm going to invest something and this is my last, I ain't just finna go, hey, put it down right there. Ocho, I'm going to think about this.
Okay, let me think about this.

Speaker 2 Okay, this is my absolute last here.

Speaker 10 You got, and it got to be, it got to be your best.

Speaker 2 It's got to be the best option.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 the Eagles, the one thing they

Speaker 2 they're not going to do, and you can think about Sirianni whatever you want, they're not going to beat themselves.

Speaker 2 They're not going to beat themselves. They're going to line up properly.
Their alignment is going to be where they're supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's going to be on the ball.

Speaker 2 If the guy's off the ball, he's going to be off the ball. Defensively, they're going to be where they're supposed to be.
Man, I watched the situation where they had, they ran 22 men.

Speaker 2 They ran what we call cover five, Ocho, 22 man. Yeah.
Man, I watched

Speaker 2 Mitchell.

Speaker 2 Man, I thought it was a Kong Ku movie. Romeo Dobbs ain't moved.
He ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Speaker 2 Ain't move nowhere, oh Joe. I'm like, damn, son.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, don't laugh, man.

Speaker 2 Man, oh Joe.

Speaker 10 What kind of movie? Hey, hey.

Speaker 2 I thought it was a Kong Ku movie. Ha, ha, ha, whoo, ha.
And he ain't moved. Quick, and Mitchell, like.

Speaker 2 Stabbed him with one and he just standing up there like, bro. You got to be getting

Speaker 2 all that dancing is fine if you're at the disco. But when you're on the football field, you got to be moving forward.

Speaker 2 Because the quarterback, because as he's going back and you're still at the line of scrimmage,

Speaker 2 remember we had the conversation.

Speaker 2 Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog. We got some good.

Speaker 2 And all the receivers got mad. And they need a dog, Gojo.

Speaker 2 They need to go.

Speaker 2 They got good. They got quality receivers.
I think Watson is the best, but he can't stay healthy.

Speaker 2 He got so much speed. He got hamstrings.
He had his knee. He can't stay healthy.

Speaker 10 Well, listen. Listen.
What are we looking for when we talk about a dog? They have such good quality wide receivers that are really good at doing different things.

Speaker 10 All is a little fine-tuning up. It ain't nothing but a little fine-tuning.

Speaker 2 Well, they need to come see you so

Speaker 2 they can fine-tune it.

Speaker 10 Hey, let me tell you something. Everybody, every, if you think about it, everybody that came to that wide receiver workshop in July, you see what they're doing this year, right?

Speaker 10 A JSN, JSN had my eyes wide open, being able to see him in person. I saw him at Ohio State.
I seen him at the Rose Bowl. You know, I saw him.
I saw him.

Speaker 10 I saw him a little bit last year, but I was not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm seeing now.

Speaker 10 And just, listen, Dobbs,

Speaker 10 Wicks,

Speaker 10 Jaden Reed, come on back down here, man.

Speaker 10 Breen them boys with you, man. Let's politic together, together, continue to work on our craft, continue to work on our game, and get better for situations like today, for nights like today,

Speaker 10 where plays, where plays don't come often, and the ones that you do make, you got to make a difference. These are the reasons why you get paid the million.

Speaker 10 These type of games are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 for me,

Speaker 2 I think the way the Eagles are going to have to win, they're going to have to win the game more on Jalen Hurts' arms than Saquon legs, as opposed to what it was last year teams are not going to let him run wild uh last year it seemed like every game we've come in out here and we're like man how y'all keep letting this man hit his head on the goal post from 60 yeah how y'all let him hit his goal head on the goal post twice from 50 plus now they're like we're going to shut this water off You're going to have to get water elsewhere.

Speaker 2 And the elsewhere is going to be in the form of Jalen Hurts, his legs, and his arms. But they do a great job.
Jalen, it's rare that Hurts turns the ball ball over. They got it out tonight.

Speaker 2 You know, they got him going down, and then boom, dude, get a get with the peanut punch. He did a great job of getting it out.
But if I'm the Packers,

Speaker 2 it's a team game, but you know, the frustration is starting to get built, Ocho. Bro, we held that team to 10 points.

Speaker 2 We held that team to 10 points. We held Saquon Barkley to 60 yards.
We held the quarterback to under 200 yards passing.

Speaker 2 That's got to be enough. Well, it wasn't enough.
So you're going to have to find ways that, like, you're going to have to create more turnovers.

Speaker 2 You're going to have to put him, you're going to have to put the opposing quarterback under the rest. Now, granted, that's a good offensive line.

Speaker 2 The big right tackle, he got nicked, came out, but you see, when the rubber needed to meet the roll on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in the game because Lane Johnson, because that's how much it means to him.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 this Green Bay Packers team, man, they got to do some soul searching. Because the Lions, hey, hold on.

Speaker 2 They play the Lions on Thanksgiving, don't they? I think that's the Thanksgiving Day game.

Speaker 10 I believe so. Yes, three games at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 The Packers, Packers, they got at Giants. They got at Vikings at home at Lions on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 just so you know, they got the Bears twice. The Bears ain't no easy win.

Speaker 10 Oh, no, not no more.

Speaker 2 No, no. No, not.

Speaker 2 Oh, and you go to Denver.

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 they're going to beat you.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You see that pass rush? Who you think got a better pass rush?

Speaker 2 Us or the Eagles?

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 you know, the Broncos pass rushes is number one right now.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 10 Hey, talk about it. Forget the pass rush, defense, defense as a whole.

Speaker 2 And on all three levels, they got the raid game.

Speaker 2 And the Vikings.

Speaker 2 The Eagles remaining schedule. Lions at home.
At Cowboys. Bears at home, at Chargers, Raiders at home, at commanders, at bills.

Speaker 10 Ooh, hey, they

Speaker 10 are two games where you kind of can almost, you know, with the way the Eagles play and knowing Jalen Hurts, how opportunistic he is, and that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Speaker 10 It's two games you could already knock off right there. The Raiders and Commanders, you would probably say, you know what? They're going to win those two.
Now, everything else, boys, up in the air.

Speaker 2 They got the Lions

Speaker 2 at home Sunday night.

Speaker 2 Then they go on the road at Cowboys. They get the Bears at home.
That's a Thursday night game. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's a Friday game.

Speaker 2 It's Black Friday game.

Speaker 2 Then at Chargers, which is a Monday night game,

Speaker 2 again, Raiders and the Commanders.

Speaker 2 The Bills, we don't know what bills we're going to get. Will Josh Allen protect the football? Because when he doesn't protect the football, they're very average.
Look at the games that they lost.

Speaker 2 They lost to Atlanta. Josh turned the ball over.
They got blown out. What, 30-0? They lost Sunday to the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 What happened? Turned the ball over.

Speaker 10 They had not only turned the ball over, but the goddamn Dolphins jumped out on them.

Speaker 10 They jumped out on him. And having to play from behind, how did they jump out on him?

Speaker 2 Got a turnover. Turnover.

Speaker 2 You got to take care of the football. Look, I think the thing is,

Speaker 2 we've kind of built these games up, Ocho. We saw early on.
We see how the Packers look. We see all the Eagles look.
And we were expecting, same thing last night.

Speaker 2 We thought, oh, man, we're going to get some points. No, no, no, no, we're not.

Speaker 2 So I'm just going to like, you know what? I'm going to have no moving forward, chat. I'm going to have no expectations of games going in.

Speaker 2 If they score 75 between the two of them, I'm happy. If they score 12 between the two of them, I'm happy with that too.

Speaker 2 So I'm done with the expectation to get my hopes up because this was some bull drive tonight.

Speaker 10 Hey, let me tell you, it was some bull drive.

Speaker 10 And one of the things you said, one of the reasons why you can't coach, but in the Bible, in the Bible, it says, order my steps and buy in which way I should walk. And God,

Speaker 10 these people, Brian Dayball, Brian Kelly. You know, these people keep getting fired and we keep talking about it.
And you really not seeing God's vision.

Speaker 10 You're not really getting the message because he's not sending it clear enough to you, but it's clear enough to me.

Speaker 10 And he's trying to order your steps, but you refusing to walk in the path in which he's creating for you, which is a head, which is a head coach.

Speaker 2 That ain't for me. See? The Eagles remaining scheduled chat is

Speaker 2 the Lions. They got the Lions

Speaker 2 Sunday night, and then they're at the Cowboys. Then they get the Bears on Black Friday.
And then they got the Chargers on Monday night.

Speaker 2 And then they have the Raiders and the Commanders. And then they're at the Bills

Speaker 2 on the 28th.

Speaker 2 That's definitely oh, and then they're commanders, and then they're commanders, which will be, we don't know where that's going to be, probably nothing,

Speaker 2 because at that point in time, the commanders will be eliminated from the playoffs, and so nobody's going to, they're not going to get flexed into a Sunday night or anything else of that nature.

Speaker 2 So that's where the Eagles are. The Eagles have the Lions Sunday night, at Cowboys, Bears at home, at Chargers on Monday night,

Speaker 2 Raiders at home, at Commanders, at Bills, Commanders at home. So they got a formidable schedule, but they have the type of team.
They've been here. They're battle-tested.
So

Speaker 2 they're not going to get too high. You know, look, it's a big-time win on a Monday night.
It got, hey, I'm sure Sirianni is telling me it doesn't get any easier.

Speaker 2 We got a tough one again next Sunday night. We played Monday.
We got a short week.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 and the thing is that, you know, the thing with the NFL now, Ocho, they breaking down film.

Speaker 2 So you can, hey, you can get out, but you can get you can get your iPad, you can get on iPad right now and start going over what the Lions like to do.

Speaker 10 Hey, on a

Speaker 2 play, we didn't, we didn't have it like that, Ocho. We weren't able to get stuff until Monday.

Speaker 2 You know, they'd have a couple of uh cut-ups already broke down for us, and we could see certain things. Now, right, you get a head start.

Speaker 2 They don't got a head start, they're working ahead of schedule. But the Eagles moved to seven and two.

Speaker 2 Uh, the Eagles have, if the playoffs were to start now, the Eagles would be the number one seed. Seahawks would be number two.
Lions, number three, Tampa, number four.

Speaker 2 Rams, even though they have a tie for the first best record,

Speaker 2 Seahawks would, actually, Seahawks have the tie break over them. So the Lions would be in the fifth seed.
The Bears would be the sixth seed. And the Packers

Speaker 2 would be, because of 5-3-1,

Speaker 2 they would be the seventh and final seed.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's where we are with that right there packers remaining schedule at giants vikings at home at lions on thanksgiving bears home broncos on the road bears uh at bears that's packers ravens at home at vikings

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 That's a formidable schedule right there.

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Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, we talked about this last night.

Speaker 2 We didn't see it coming so soon, but the Giants head coach, Brian Dayball, has been relieved of his duties after blowing another double-digit lead Sunday in Chicago.

Speaker 2 Giants co-owner John Marrow and Steve Tisch said today, the past few seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have not met our expectations for this franchise.

Speaker 2 We understand the frustration of our fans, and we will work to deliver significant improved product.

Speaker 2 Assistant coach, offensive coordinator Mike Kafka Kafka will serve as the Giants interim head coach. Dayball, 20, 40, and 1 as Giants' head coach.
His 336 winning percentage puts him behind

Speaker 2 Ben McAdoo. No, he had a butcher cheesecake factory, that big menu he had.

Speaker 2 And Ray Perkins

Speaker 2 fired two of

Speaker 2 two of the three head coach coordinators and flip-flop play calling with others, replaced five of nine position coach, started seven different quarterbacks, had a running record with none of them.

Speaker 2 He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win. It's really, it's really that simple.
No, owners, John Maron, Steve Tisch, you fail.

Speaker 2 How is the general manager still there? Because he hired him.

Speaker 2 How is he still there? Daniel Jones is gone. Saquon Barkley is gone.
He drafted Evan Neal. So

Speaker 2 you think you're going to get an improved product when the general manager, the guy that's making all the decision, he's still there.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying Brian Dayball should or should not have been fired.

Speaker 2 We'll discuss that in a minute. But I'm trying to figure out how

Speaker 2 Sean

Speaker 2 has been able to keep his damn job.

Speaker 10 Hey.

Speaker 10 Honestly,

Speaker 10 regardless of what coach comes in there,

Speaker 10 they're probably going to get fired. They've gone through multiple coaches.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 They've been going through multiple coaches. And Brian Dayball to get fired, it's kind of somewhat understandable.

Speaker 10 He's had leading games and multiple games this season.

Speaker 10 He had leading games early in the game and they lost on the back end.

Speaker 10 They lost on the back end. I'm talking about bad game that they should have continued to be able to have some type of success after having the leads they've had and they squandered every lat everyone?

Speaker 10 You mean you didn't win not one of those.

Speaker 2 I think they had four double-digit leads going into the fourth quarter, right? Yes. I mean, they had a 26-8, 26-9 lead over the Broncos.

Speaker 2 They had a 20-10 lead over the Bears.

Speaker 2 They had the lead with the Cowboys with like 14 seconds. The guy comes on, you a big field goal, and they end up winning in an overtime.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 Week two, they led 13-3, lost 40-37. At the Saints, they led 14-3, lost 26-14.
The Broncos, they led 26-8, lost 33-32. With the Bears, they led 20 to 10, lost 24-20.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And one thing about it, we always say coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches.

Speaker 10 You could have 100 coaches, 100 different coaches coming there, and all 100 are going to get fired.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 All 100 are going to get fired. And listen, some accountability has to be

Speaker 10 put on the players as well, you know, but obviously the coaching staff too. And the one person who

Speaker 10 oversees all that is Brian. So at this point, it was time.

Speaker 2 No, Brian don't coach the team. He ain't got no say.
He probably didn't have any say over the Final 53. He probably had no say in free agency.
He probably had no say in the draft. Hell no.

Speaker 2 He happy to have a job.

Speaker 10 Hold on. So it sounds like somebody, they run the show over there.

Speaker 10 Like that team, they got that starting off.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yes. That's why I laughed when Jerry told me he thought about hiring Sean Payton.
Man, you actually think Sean Payton's going to come in there, and the only thing he's going to be is a coach.

Speaker 2 He ain't going to have no say over the final 53. He's not going to have any say over the draft.
He's not going to have any say of free agency. He's just going to stand there and coach.

Speaker 2 And then when things go wrong, they're going to blame him.

Speaker 2 Just like all the coaches he fired. How many coaches has he had since he fired Jimmy?

Speaker 2 Who took over at the gym with it? He had, who's that? Dave Campo? He had Dave Campo. He had

Speaker 2 Chan Galilee, who was my old position coach. He had Wade Phillips.
He had Jason Garrett.

Speaker 2 Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 2 Now, he's probably had more than that.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Until... Damn.

Speaker 2 You know, hey, John Marrow, you know what I mean? You know, when you had a lot to say about

Speaker 2 what the fans was saying, because you was reading all their mail when they was calling in and talking about cap and all that. You read the mail.

Speaker 2 Let's read some of the mails what they're saying about you.

Speaker 2 See if they happen with you and what you've been able to to do with this franchise.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because y'all ain't, y'all, look, y'all ain't been close. Since y'all got rid of it, since Eli retired,

Speaker 2 you bungled that.

Speaker 2 Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you start Gino, and then you start Eli again after you don't break the man streak.

Speaker 2 And they did that.

Speaker 2 Of course they did.

Speaker 10 You know, you know, you know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 Oh, Bart, Barry Swift. Baron Switzerland came after Jimmy.
So it was Baron Switzer. Then I think it was Parcells, Campbell.

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, they had 10 coaches. Okay.
So Jimmy Johnson, Baron Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Brian Schottner.

Speaker 2 Jimmy Johnson had a 550, a

Speaker 2 50-winning percentage. Baron Switzerland had 625.

Speaker 2 Chan Gailey was 18 and 14.

Speaker 2 Dave Campo was 15

Speaker 2 15 and 33. Bill Parcells was 34 and 30.
Wade Phillips was 34 and 22. Jason Garrett was 85 and 67.
Mike McCarthy was 49 and 35. And Brian Schottenheimer right now is 3, 5, and 1.

Speaker 2 No, but no, but what we're saying is that ownership. Plays a large part in the success of a team.

Speaker 10 i i'm glad you just said that huh look at all the teams that consistently win the chiefs look at the chiefs

Speaker 10 look at the ravens look at the patriots yep the ravens um

Speaker 10 well obviously i'm gonna throw the package in there because they're a winning organization not actually going not actually you know getting

Speaker 10 lombardi trophies but always being always being in contention

Speaker 10 Always being in contention. And another thing,

Speaker 10 one thing that can overcome bad ownership is a great quarterback.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you got to pick him, and sometimes they'll mess that up. Hey,

Speaker 10 yeah,

Speaker 10 that too. But

Speaker 10 having the elite quarterback can overcome some of the bad decision-making that happens all the way up to the basement.

Speaker 2 I think the problem that Coach Daybar ran into, Ocho, is that he realized early on the only guy that can save my job is the quarterback that we drafted in the first round.

Speaker 2 But in the process of doing that, he put him in harm's way. Because, Ocho.

Speaker 2 If I'm drowning, I don't give a damn about drowning you to save myself.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to keep my head above water. So if that means you got to go down, I got to stand on your shoulders.
So be it.

Speaker 10 And that's

Speaker 10 what he did.

Speaker 2 He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying to save his job. Because at the end of the day, yeah, I drafted him.
Hell, I want to coach him.

Speaker 2 So, and so in the process of putting him in harm's way,

Speaker 2 he subjected him to some hits. Jackson Dartin, I said this.
And now I was early on. Man,

Speaker 2 the chat, they always want to let somebody live. Now you got your guy in the blue tent damn near every game.
Because you want to let him live. You like that fire.
I want my quarterback to have energy.

Speaker 2 Okay, now look at your quarterback. Y'all still like that, Giants Flander? Because you had a lot to say.
I said, you can't run like that. You can't.

Speaker 2 You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind of hits. That's why they're protecting his ass in the pocket.
Once he leaves the pocket, tee off on him. He's a running back.

Speaker 2 Now look at him. But y'all have a lot to say.
We ain't had that kind of energy in a long time. And you might not have it again.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen. Hey, honestly, too.
And as a fan of the game,

Speaker 10 but watching Jackson Dart once he came in, but that

Speaker 2 affected his own. Absolutely.
You got to be smart, though.

Speaker 10 Now that comes on him, and that's going to come. He's going to get that with experience and understanding.
You got to pick and choose your battles. And when you pick me, but you got to pick him wise.

Speaker 2 Well, I hope they knock some sense into it because they damn sure knock tomorrow's out of it

Speaker 2 oh yeah you got you got to make business decisions you got to make business decisions when you got that ball in your hands and you cross that threshold and you become a runner man them a them boys is not playing with you out there man this is not college them and them grown them grown men they're trying to break you because that's their opportunity because they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they want to but what they can do is tee off on your ass when you're out of the pocket but they give you something called a protection where you can slide and they can't touch you now you try to be a hero and i get all that you you get up and get the fire get the first down and you do all this and you get the crowd hype and all that okay

Speaker 2 yeah okay billy badass

Speaker 2 i'm i i've seen it i know what they're gonna do

Speaker 2 oh yeah

Speaker 2 quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that They're not built to take hits like that. So why would you subject yourself to taking that kind of punishment, ojo?

Speaker 2 You cannot go take that kind of punishment.

Speaker 10 Hold on, and it's a funny thing about it.

Speaker 2 And some of the play calling ain't helping. No,

Speaker 10 some of the play calling, dude.

Speaker 2 I just tell you, I'm drowning.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. I'm trying to save my damn self.
So if you drown in the process, so be it, Ocho.

Speaker 10 Yeah, as long as you save my ass. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Why do you think he's calling no flays, Ocho?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and

Speaker 2 I get it. I get it.
But Jackson Dart needs to be smarter and they need to put an emphasis on it also. Hey, son, get down.
You get the first down. Hey, I get it.

Speaker 2 It's the crowd gets energized, but the crowd will get you effed up.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They get you.

Speaker 10 Hey, trying to do what they want, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you're exactly right. Let me ask you a question, Ocho.
Who do you think will be a good fit?

Speaker 2 Who do you think will be a good fit for the Giants?

Speaker 2 Nah.

Speaker 2 Okay. I see how much money they take from your New York.

Speaker 2 You bet. Oh, 1.5 million, you bring home 747,000.
Kick rocks.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 Can I coach from a Vegas?

Speaker 2 I do have all my meetings from Zoom.

Speaker 10 I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would resonate very well with grown men that are in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Hell,

Speaker 10 brother, Lane Kiffin, huh?

Speaker 2 Lane?

Speaker 2 You like John Gruden? Yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, Lane Kiffin and John Gruden?

Speaker 10 That's the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 Mike McCarthy. I heard Mike McCarthy's name thrown around.

Speaker 2 What about...

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 10 for that city, though,

Speaker 10 that city need

Speaker 10 a coach like a Lane Kiffin, a John Gruden. That's a little bit fiery.

Speaker 10 You know, a little bit has a little personality to him.

Speaker 2 The offensive coordinator. I think they would

Speaker 10 for Washington.

Speaker 2 He was the head coach

Speaker 2 in Arizona.

Speaker 2 Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury.
What about Cliff Kingsbury? Now, he normally works really well with mobile, athletic quarterbacks. We saw what he did with Kyler.
We saw

Speaker 2 what he's done for Jalen, Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 would he work with a Jackson Dart? A guy that's mobile. He's not quite as athletic as Daniels and Kyler.
But that might, that, hey,

Speaker 2 what do you think?

Speaker 2 Whatever it made for that?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, the thing is,

Speaker 2 it might be a part of it. I mean,

Speaker 2 the question is, his thing is they threw it out because, you know, the commissioner wanted to hear it. It's like, no, you're not going to do that.

Speaker 2 You're not going to be the arbitrator, the man suing you, and you hear your own opinion. No, hell no.

Speaker 2 So the question is with the NFL, how is that going to play out? Because this thing's going to court.

Speaker 2 So, do they get a settlement and a part of the settlement?

Speaker 2 He can come back and coach, or is it a situation where we're going to give you money and you done, you can cover the league, but you're not going to coach in the league?

Speaker 10 I like the John Gruden route. John Gruden, and obviously, Lane Kevin, who coached him in college.

Speaker 2 I think that did you just not hear what I said?

Speaker 2 He has a pending lawsuit against the NFL.

Speaker 10 Let me tell you,

Speaker 10 there are certain rules that are bent, regardless of stuff like that going on. Well, they can make it happen.

Speaker 2 If the NFL says, we're going to offer you a settlement, but you cannot coach in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 10 Well, hell, you know who else has had a lawsuit against the NFL and is still coaching?

Speaker 2 Brian Florence. BF over there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's coaching.

Speaker 2 Is he a head coach?

Speaker 2 Okay. Now, the question is,

Speaker 2 he's had good defenses.

Speaker 2 You think he's going to get a job with that lawsuit? Who's going to hire him? Because you do realize if he sued the league, who is he suing? One of those owners.

Speaker 10 One of the owners, yeah.

Speaker 2 So it's going to be a very interesting situation to see how this plays out. It's kind of like, oh, Joe, I got a lawsuit against you, but I want my job back.

Speaker 2 Nah, you're going to take this money and go head on.

Speaker 2 You ain't getting no job back.

Speaker 10 Hey, but honestly,

Speaker 10 knowing how the NFL works, understanding the ecosystem that they do have,

Speaker 10 that brotherhood they have amongst each other, I can still see

Speaker 10 things working itself out in ways that we won't be able to explain.

Speaker 2 Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained. But it's just hard for me to see a scenario.
Oh, this man down, he wants 60, he won 100 million.

Speaker 2 They say, you ruined my reputation by leaking this stuff.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 2 And you cost me $60 million, $60, $70 million that was left on my contract.

Speaker 2 Oh, all that was

Speaker 2 all that's off the table. He signed a 10-year, $100 million deal.

Speaker 10 $100 million deal. Yeah, I remember that.
But I thought he was still getting paid for yourself.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 You don't get paid.

Speaker 2 They bought his. And the thing is,

Speaker 2 Mark Davis didn't want to. He said he didn't want to.
He said the NFL forced him to.

Speaker 10 Forced him to do it? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who else?

Speaker 2 I hear people talk about Clint Kubiak,

Speaker 2 the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was the offensive coordinator in

Speaker 2 Minnesota last year. With who was his quarterback in Minnesota? Sam Darno.
He's the offensive coordinator in Seattle. Who's his quarterback?

Speaker 10 Ooh, Sam Darno. It's funny.
It's funny how that worked, too, right?

Speaker 2 He's going to get some strong consideration.

Speaker 2 Yeah, coach.

Speaker 2 Hey, Clint,

Speaker 2 let me get a job.

Speaker 10 Do you really, you have to understand also, Clint has to look at the landscape of the New York Giants. Understand what you're working with.

Speaker 10 Understand what you had when you were out there in Minnesota. It made things easy.

Speaker 2 Mocho.

Speaker 10 You know, understand, understand the weapons you have around you now that you were over there in

Speaker 10 goddamn

Speaker 2 Seattle.

Speaker 10 Yeah, now do you do you want to come and and start all over in New York? You do have Jackson Dart, who is very exciting. Scatterbowl will be back next year.
Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 he should be fine by the start of the season.

Speaker 10 Who?

Speaker 2 Malik. Yeah, he should be.
He definitely should be. But here's the thing, though, Ocho.

Speaker 2 Ocho,

Speaker 2 that's still a gold standard franchise. And my first head coaching job is going to be with the New York Giants.
Who turns that down?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 you just saw what's

Speaker 2 the guy that was at Philly last year?

Speaker 2 The OC. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was at Dallas OC for a long time.

Speaker 2 Kellen Moore.

Speaker 2 I know. Oh, Joe.
He took New Orleans.

Speaker 2 He took the New Orleans job. If give it a choice, you take New Orleans or you taking the Giants.

Speaker 10 I got you. But see,

Speaker 10 it's so few times times that those opportunities present themselves. You have to take them when they do come.

Speaker 10 You have to take them when they come.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 2 that's a bad one to go.

Speaker 10 Hey, that's a bad one to go into.

Speaker 2 Where was Klein Kubiak? Because Kube got three or four boys. I know Clinton and Klein, both of them coached, but Klein.

Speaker 2 He was play calling somewhere.

Speaker 2 He's at the Cowboys?

Speaker 2 Where was he last year?

Speaker 2 Say his client Pubiac joined the Cowboys personnel probably in 2019 as a scout after spending the previous five years at the Broncos. So he's still there?

Speaker 2 He was promoted in 2010, but he's still in the Cowboys. Okay.
He's on the website.

Speaker 2 He's their National

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 He got any other any other

Speaker 2 sons coaches?

Speaker 2 Would you say the other animals? I don't I don't know. I just know I just know those two because they were little kids when I was uh with when Cool was with me in Denver.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They were probably like

Speaker 2 five or six when I got to Denver.

Speaker 2 Maybe they were they were small, really, really, really young.

Speaker 2 But it's hey, look,

Speaker 2 there are going to be some names that's going to be play. He's the OC at the Niners.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 has he been at the Niners?

Speaker 2 He was,

Speaker 2 you know, he's been there since 21. Okay.

Speaker 2 The Niners are OC. Okay.
You see how, you see how you see how that thing, you see how, you see how that ecosystem feeds itself, Ocho?

Speaker 10 Oh, Oh, hey, listen.

Speaker 10 I'm listening to Ash run off all the names in the different places that they're at.

Speaker 10 Hey, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 All those guys, hey, Coob, hey, Mike gave Koob his start.

Speaker 2 When Coop got the job at the Houston, Texas,

Speaker 2 Kyle was his OC.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 Now, then everything.

Speaker 2 Funny how that is. He had, when they was in Washington, Kyle was the OC.
Sean McVay was there, Mike McDaniel was there, Raheem Moore was Raheem Morris was there.

Speaker 2 Go back and look at that, uh, all those guys that were there,

Speaker 2 and all they do is, hey.

Speaker 2 So, if you're a coach, do you travel on babies? Yeah,

Speaker 2 they do.

Speaker 2 Well, hey, it's easy on them because the wife takes care of them because

Speaker 2 they may not won parent-teacher conference. They ain't been to no recital, they've been to jack.

Speaker 2 But it's tough, man, because the coach is like, hey, you you leave home, and the next day, they graduating high school.

Speaker 2 You done missed damn near everything.

Speaker 10 Hey, it goes by fast.

Speaker 2 It does. And so, but I think

Speaker 2 there are going to be a lot of available candidates.

Speaker 2 It's going to be interesting to see how these lawsuits play out with Brian Flores, how they play out with

Speaker 2 John Gruden.

Speaker 2 I think they're going to be, you know, Clint Kubiak is going to get, he's going to get

Speaker 2 some looks.

Speaker 2 The way that offense looked

Speaker 2 last year,

Speaker 2 the way it's looking now.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, but will you be able to make that offense over there in New York look like that?

Speaker 2 Rams defense, the Rams D coordinator.

Speaker 2 They ball it out.

Speaker 10 Hey,

Speaker 10 it just makes sense. Pairing the quarterback

Speaker 10 where he had success in college,

Speaker 10 it makes too much much sense to me

Speaker 10 right and bringing in brother brother kiffin from from old miss no i wasn't okay with

Speaker 2 y'all hear what y'all want to hear

Speaker 2 no no they oh but you was okay with the broncos scoring 10 points no i wasn't i was living it they only scored 10 points against that team

Speaker 2 but i get it i get it i'm a bronco you didn't tune in you didn't tune in that night but you tune in now and so you hear me talk about the offense scoring uh uh the offense only scoring 10 points or 7 points.

Speaker 2 I get it. I get it.
I get it. You're right.
I didn't. I did, though.
Everybody that was here saw, heard me say, this is Bo Nick's. That ain't good enough.
That's not good enough.

Speaker 2 You never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't in a loss.
Y'all heard me say that over and over. And you tell me, we tired of hearing that.

Speaker 2 But y'all hear what y'all want to say. Yeah, I know.
Win is a win. Anybody that's really never played sports and only looks at,

Speaker 2 I get it. That's why a lot of times, though, Joe, like, I used to be like going back and forth.
I was like, hold on, what the F am I doing?

Speaker 2 I'm going back and forth with somebody that never played football, let alone played on the level that I played or played at the level at which I played. Why am I talking to y'all about football?

Speaker 10 Sometimes they don't understand.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, I had to catch myself. I said, I'm trying to explain when we got this concept.
They're doing this, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, wait a damn minute.

Speaker 2 They don't know the difference between a screenplay and a screen porch. And here I am on goddamn social media debating them.

Speaker 10 Going back and forth?

Speaker 10 Hey, sometimes the way you see the game, they don't see it.

Speaker 2 I know they don't.

Speaker 2 And that's why, see, that's why they have to have sound. They need somebody to tell them what's going on.
I don't.

Speaker 2 I know formation. I know personnel.
I know coverages. I know all of that.
I'm not interested that they scored. Congratulations.
I need to know why they scored, how they scored.

Speaker 2 What coverage was the defense in? That's what I'm looking at. Okay, were you in 21 personnel? Were you in 12? Were you in 11?

Speaker 2 Were you an empty set? Was it a 50 protection? Was it a jet protection? Was it a 70 protection? Was it a scat protection? Were you in jumbo?

Speaker 2 And then I try to,

Speaker 2 what is that? Well, we didn't play the game. Okay, then we.

Speaker 2 But then they're quick. We didn't play the game.
You should know. Captain Obvious, well, it was Captain Obvious.
Why didn't you see it?

Speaker 10 Hey, that's funny.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's why, you know, hey, and when I tweet some, Ocho, it's not that I care

Speaker 2 either side. I'm just saying what I noticed.
I tweeted in real time. I was like, how can I see that in real time? Official at the game, they can't.

Speaker 2 That guy moved. Oh, Joe, that guy was, that the guard before the center had even snapped the ball.
He was damn near colliding with the Packer defender.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Hey, that tush push, I don't know. I don't know what the refs are looking at, but it was something that they said they were going to be paying attention to.

Speaker 10 They were making the call early in the season. It seemed they've stopped calling it.

Speaker 10 And it's plain as day, especially if you got if you got two good ass. If you got two good eyes, you can see.

Speaker 2 How did it move him before the ball snapped?

Speaker 2 That's all you got to look at, Ocho. Hold on.
His head is in front of the ball. How is that possible?

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 2 but hey, he must have been looking at his menu, like, okay.

Speaker 2 Why say she wanted General Joe's chicken, some Moomu Gao pan,

Speaker 2 fried rice,

Speaker 2 some egg fuo young, some boo moo.

Speaker 2 I had the General Joe's chicken. I don't like the Boo Moo Gao Pan.

Speaker 2 What the hell is that?

Speaker 2 at the Chinese restaurant?

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 Ocho, Mike Tomlin was asked to assess his quarterback Aaron Rodgers' performance last night. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 2 How about you?

Speaker 2 See, Ocho,

Speaker 2 when I come in here and I say Aaron Rodgers didn't play well, so forth and so on, as you get older, you just cannot allow, you can't summon it up like you once could. Game in, game in, game in.

Speaker 2 You can have those flash games, but they come far and few and far between. Oh, you just, man, you don't like that man.
You just, ever since he didn't take the vaccine, you got a problem with him.

Speaker 2 It's like,

Speaker 2 I'm just telling you, based on Aaron Rodgers having watched this man for 15, since

Speaker 2 2004, I retired. Aaron became the starting quarterback, I think, in like 08.

Speaker 2 So for the better part of 17, 18 years, I watched this man.

Speaker 2 Y'all make it seem like I'm just dumb. Like I just be talking out my tail.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 I like Tomlinson, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I like it.

Speaker 10 Hey, listen.

Speaker 10 Yeah, there's no need for me to go in depth. You know,

Speaker 10 you watched his performance.

Speaker 10 It was lackluster.

Speaker 10 We can't win with you playing like that

Speaker 2 no aaron said it aaron said i've got to play better so if i say aaron needs to play better he's not playing like he's playing like an an old aaron rodgers not the old aaron rodgers oh you hate it he come out and say exactly what i said last night

Speaker 2 now

Speaker 2 Let me let me mispronounce somebody's name.

Speaker 2 Let me be wrong on something. Boy,

Speaker 2 they kill my food. They flood my timeline but when aaron rods say exactly what i said

Speaker 2 you can hear you could hear a mouse peeing on cotton a bail of it

Speaker 2 that's how quiet it be ojo

Speaker 2 mm-hmm

Speaker 2 aaron's not if you watch the game if you watched aaron rodgers and you watched last night game i was like aaron rogers missed some throws He missed DK early in the game.

Speaker 2 There could have been a big play. Because you know, on the road, get a big play on the far across.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, that's a big play.

Speaker 2 A 40-yard, 40, 50-yard touchdown.

Speaker 10 Touchdown.

Speaker 2 On the road,

Speaker 2 now you got

Speaker 2 the crowd sitting on their hands. Ain't nothing to cheer about.

Speaker 2 He underthrew Austin. I don't know the way Austin was catching the ball last night.
He probably threw it back at him. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know, Joe.

Speaker 2 I'm a little nervous. I'm a little hesitant to say it was a short fire.
It was a short fire catch. I'm just saying, he might have

Speaker 2 held on to it but if you watch the game i mean look maybe you don't know if it's a three or five step drop you don't know if it's a zone read you don't maybe you don't know all that stuff but you know if a quarterback's playing well and you watched the game last night even if you're a steelers fan even if you're the biggest aaron rodgers supporter you know he didn't play well last night and it's okay to say that

Speaker 2 but it's almost like

Speaker 2 Don't say anything bad about my quarterback. Speak honestly about everybody else's quarterback.
Just don't say nothing bad about my quarterback. I'm not saying anything bad.
He just didn't play well.

Speaker 2 I didn't say he's a bad person.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying he was a bad quarterback last night. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and the good thing about it, too, with him not playing well,

Speaker 10 it looks good on him. Obviously, you can tell he's actually at the Steelers and him taking accountability on not playing well.
You know,

Speaker 10 there were no point in the fingers. No.
There were no point in the fingers. I like that.

Speaker 10 Which were some issues that he did when he was with the Jets, when certain plays weren't made. And when those plays weren't made, and he spoke about it after the game, he actually pointed the finger.

Speaker 10 You know, so I'm glad he's playing.

Speaker 2 The problem what he has, Ocho, is that he doesn't have enough players on the offensive side of football to lift him up when he's not playing well. See, that's the problem that you run into.

Speaker 2 Because sometimes, you know, you get guys that can take a simple route. You're not playing well.
They can take a simple route. They can make a touch, an acrobatic catch.
Give you a prime example.

Speaker 2 Devontae Smith tonight. You see that catch that he made?

Speaker 10 Say he saved you every time.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Sometimes guys make plays.

Speaker 2 You're having a bad game, but a guy can make a play here or there, and all of a sudden you get the win and you didn't play well, but you get guys to elevate you and help the ship rise.

Speaker 2 He didn't get that last night. I don't think he has enough of that.
Outside of DK,

Speaker 2 nobody puts fear in my. I think Fry Mooth

Speaker 2 is a quality tight end. Now, I'm not taking over McBride

Speaker 2 or LaPorte or anything like that.

Speaker 10 He's tier two.

Speaker 2 He's a tier tier two. I'm not taking over any of those top guys, but I think

Speaker 2 he's a solid tight end. But DK is really the only guy.
And if you double him,

Speaker 2 does Austin or any of those other guys put fear in you? No, they don't. They don't.

Speaker 10 I mean, listen, Calvin Austin, the third, as fast as he is, as explosive as he is, he should be one that puts fear in defenses. He should be one that they just,

Speaker 10 I don't know if they use him the correct way

Speaker 10 to do that.

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 10 if I'm not mistaken, he was 4-2, if I'm not mistaken, maybe 4-1, something like that.

Speaker 2 Austin III.

Speaker 2 He doesn't even play like Austin I, because I can't tell he 4-1, 4-2.

Speaker 2 Man, go ahead on.

Speaker 2 I can't tell you that fast. But see, here's the LJ.
There's a difference between being fast and playing fast because we've seen guys run 4-2 and they play like they run 4-6.

Speaker 2 And I've seen guys run 4-6 that play like they're 4-3-4-2.

Speaker 2 So running fast and playing fast. Jerry played fast.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Jerry ran 4-6-7, but he played fast. It's one thing to run 4-2 in the shorts and a t-shirt.
It's another thing to run 4-6-4-5 with shoulder pads and cleats. Right.
Because that's what you play in. So

Speaker 2 yeah, I get it. It's nice.
Oh, boy. Hey, he ran 4-2.

Speaker 2 I put him in a helmet, put him in some shoulder pads and cleats. And now all of a sudden, Ocho, he played like he run 4-7.
Damn, son. I know you faster than that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 10 There's a thing called, you know, players that carry their pads real well. And the thing,

Speaker 10 can you carry your pads? Can you still be as efficient when you're in shorts and shirt when you had a helmet and pads on?

Speaker 10 Man,

Speaker 10 that is a thing, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 But guess what, Ocho? When you run that 40, ain't nobody trying to tear your damn head off.

Speaker 2 See, when you 4-2,

Speaker 2 4-2, 4-3, all you do is get to the safety quicker so we can knock your ass out.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 10 That's it.

Speaker 10 And one of the funny things I ever heard,

Speaker 10 I forgot who said it. I'm got to make sure I say it right.
Is

Speaker 10 I'm just fast enough to make sure the person chasing me can't catch me.

Speaker 10 I don't care nothing about no 40 times. All I need to do is be faster than the person that's chasing me.
That's it.

Speaker 2 That's as fast as you need to be. It doesn't do me any good to have all that speed, and I don't know how to use it.
You could have an arsenal of guns, don't know how to shoot one,

Speaker 2 can't hit nothing.

Speaker 2 So, what good is 4-2 speed if you can't use it? You can't control it. Right.

Speaker 2 And I'll run you sharp. You probably can.

Speaker 2 But I bet you'll chase me in the end zone.

Speaker 2 I bet you that.

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 2 But everything, you know how everything is made. But I love the way because a lot of times this has rubbed me.

Speaker 2 This is what's rubbed me wrong about Eric Rodgers is not taking accountability when he played poor or showing up to receivers and talking about do this and do all that. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 That's what rubbed me the wrong way about him was a lack of accountability. I got no problem with what he said.
He owned it. He didn't play well.

Speaker 2 He realized in order for them to get to where they need to be or where they want to be, he's going to have to play better because he's the only guy that touches the ball every single snap.

Speaker 2 And in order for them to get to where they need to be, Ocho, he's got to play better. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 as you said last night, they got a bunch of names, but them names ain't playing well. We'll leave it at that.
Ocho, a photo going viral.

Speaker 2 Aaron Rodgers taking a sack last night, captured by Martio Sanchez of the AP.

Speaker 10 And we got hit in that jaw, too. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's a good thing he got the new helmet on.

Speaker 2 Man, you better get a motorcycle helmet.

Speaker 10 Hey, that's a good hit, too.

Speaker 2 Boy, look here. At 41.
Oh, John, I wouldn't try to take no shots like that in my 20s. You think I want to take a shot like that in my 40s?

Speaker 10 Like that in the 40s. Yeah.

Speaker 10 That's a good picture right there. Ooh,

Speaker 10 that's a good picture.

Speaker 2 Was that in the pocket? Because I'm surprised they didn't call that.

Speaker 2 Because you know,

Speaker 2 you can't hit a quarterback with your helmet. So he had to be scrambling.

Speaker 10 Nah, not, yeah, not not the crown of your head.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 That hurt. He doesn't even look like Aaron Rodgers.
Nah.

Speaker 2 He'd be probably thinking, I wish I wasn't Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 them ear hole shots hurt, man.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe. Them the ones that knock your ass out.

Speaker 2 When When you get hit, when you get caught, or you get knee.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah, in the right place, right here. Right here around the decal.

Speaker 2 That knee by accident.

Speaker 10 And it don't even look like it's hard either.

Speaker 10 Hold on. Let me get this out of the door.
Man, that joke.

Speaker 2 Aaron's like, this ain't what I signed up for, man.

Speaker 2 Is Aaron 40, 41? He's about to be 40. Is he about to be 42? Is he already 40? Is he 40?

Speaker 2 He's 41, then he'll be 42 on December 2nd. Damn! Yeah, Aaron said, damn this.

Speaker 2 Aaron said, I don't made me $300 million. I ain't got no sense.

Speaker 2 I'd have made $3, $350. Man, later for this.

Speaker 2 I ain't tried to do all this.

Speaker 2 The accumulation, those, Chad, you know,

Speaker 2 those hits lad up. Aaron Rodgers, probably, what, 215?

Speaker 2 You ain't ain't trying to take no hits like that. Hell running backs I mean Derrick Henry ain't really trying to take no ear hole shot no jaw shot like that man

Speaker 2 those those those ish adds up

Speaker 2 man

Speaker 2 I know that hurt that hurt my got my jaw hurting I'm thinking about it

Speaker 2 oh he he bracing for that I mean at the last second you feel that hit coming you try to brace for it but hey

Speaker 2 nothing ain't nothing you can do with look oh that's the close-up oh you got to close ooh weeks

Speaker 2 yeah i don't blame i don't want to look i don't want to see that either

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