Deebo & Joe - Thursday Night Football REACTION: Bo Nix & Broncos defeat Geno Smith & Raiders

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Speaker 3 Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden.
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Speaker 3 How you doing today, Joe?

Speaker 3 Doing lovely, brother Debo. Lovely.
Always good to be here with you, my brother. Talk this good football.
Always, always. Listen, man, we're going to go ahead and get straight into it.

Speaker 3 The Broncos went on here and beat the Raiders. Yes.
And

Speaker 3 yeah, the Broncos beat the Raiders, but I really felt like it was like, you know, it was just two offense. Like, yo, I don't want to win.
You want to win? Yeah. I don't want to win either.

Speaker 3 You want to win? Yeah, you can have that.

Speaker 3 That's what I felt like. I mean,

Speaker 3 that's what it looked like i understood why the you know the raiders couldn't score denver's defense is good and they offense is trash and you know vegas's defense is mid and i guess the broncos offense is mid so they kind of like just canceled each other out you know yeah that's what it looked like you know raiders get out there on the first drive and they you know they move the ball and They get, I think, was a false start on like the second down, then get sacked on the third down.

Speaker 3 And the punter comes out there dude and nails a fire punt dude out aims it out at the two yard line bro like

Speaker 3 talking about possessions

Speaker 3 get making making them have to go the long way yeah that's wild that was a perfect punt you can't get no better than actually i'll take that back he did get better than that later but i we'll get to that yeah

Speaker 3 Denver get out there. They bust a three and out.

Speaker 3 They don't do nothing. They don't piss a drop.
and then they punter goes and shanks the ball dude he giving the ball i think it was at the denver 41 or something like that bro

Speaker 3 raiders get out there somehow they're able to capitalize on it they complete a third and 10 and i think the next third down dude ran it in uh for a touchdown they up seven and nothing

Speaker 3 Yeah, they up seven and nothing.

Speaker 3 I'm like, okay, cool. Maybe they, you know, maybe they're going to be able to put up some points.

Speaker 3 Short field. They was able to get it because it's a short field.
That shit. Yeah.
Yeah, they was able to get it capitalized with the short field. Denver get back out there.
And dude, like

Speaker 3 second down, he gets sacked. Like, I'm talking coverage sacked.
Like, TB's got them boys locked up. Like, they in, you know, solitary confinement.
You ain't got nobody in there but you and them.

Speaker 3 And dude, dropped the pass on the third down. Like, how you

Speaker 3 he ain't good. He ain't getting that many to you now.
know you go ahead and drop it now y'all gotta punt the rock

Speaker 3 dude the raiders go ahead and i think it was uh second down they break one for like 32 bro

Speaker 3 holding penalty bring it back bring that on back here

Speaker 3 that boy was it bonita he went ahead and got that got that sack on that third down

Speaker 3 And then they punter. That's when they punter.

Speaker 3 He goes and drops the ball. When they go to punt it, he got lucky, wasn't nobody there.
If they was rushing that dude, they would have got to him for sure. Oh, yeah, no question about it.

Speaker 3 Denver get the ball back. First play.
Holden. They get a holding penalty on the first play.

Speaker 3 Them boys went like five, three announcements in a row. Dude, they had so many penalties.
That's one of Denver's issues, too. Like, they just, they, they got, they get penalties to the Lord.

Speaker 3 And then second down, 32, dude, he dropped a pick that Knicks threw straight into his hands, bro. Like, that you should have been up out of there.
You got to have that. You got to have that.

Speaker 3 He got lucky, though. They ain't getting nowhere, no way.
They tried to jump him off on fourth down,

Speaker 3 get the punter back. Hey, man, that punter,

Speaker 3 dude, that punter for Denver, he like

Speaker 3 he

Speaker 3 hits another one.

Speaker 3 Like, dude, I don't,

Speaker 3 they might, they might end up like,

Speaker 3 i don't know

Speaker 3 yes that's what i'm saying they get they gotta give him they gotta give him a raise he was spinning he needs to be on the video game yes it was like on the video game bro when you go to those little punt things you're trying to hit him in the corner you put back spin on it he's hitting them things perfectly no no no you took you thinking of the raiders guy the denver dude stinks he sinks he sinks another he's he shanked the shot that one dude denver dude the denver dude stinks man He's shanked.

Speaker 3 You thinking of the next possession right now? I'm talking about the next dude. Okay, yeah.
Yeah, you think of the next possession.

Speaker 3 The Raiders get it. They go ahead and they hit the tight end on that third down for, I think it was like 30, 31 yards, something like that.

Speaker 3 And like, that was, I believe that was the last third down they completed that whole rest of that game, dude.

Speaker 3 I think the next third down, they tried a quarterback sneak. How you try a quarterback sneak on third down and it's like two yards, dude?

Speaker 3 Like, what is what is you thinking and then they couldn't get it no other way they couldn't get it that way bro

Speaker 3 then you go and you go for it on fourth down you get the touchdown but you get that call back

Speaker 3 you get an offensive pi

Speaker 3 and that's when the punter said you know what i ain't tripping let me go on out here

Speaker 3 I'm going to put that

Speaker 3 on that thing, dropped that thing right there and told the ball, just jump over there at the half-larg line. Yes.
Now he needs a raise. The other dude, I don't even know if he could beat it.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. The other dude might not have got, yeah.
He might not have the stadium. Exactly.
Denver came right back out there.

Speaker 3 They do another three and out because second down, dude, just letting him tackle your running, your

Speaker 3 receiver while you're blocking him. That has to be demoralized.
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 He's a little brother. Look,

Speaker 3 I'm going to hold you and then I'm going to tackle you. Yeah.
Come on, man.

Speaker 3 And your punter go back out there trash.

Speaker 3 I'll give you another trash punt. I think

Speaker 3 he might have been a double agent.

Speaker 3 He might have been working for the Raiders. He might have had some black and silver up under that white and orange.
Yeah, man. Somebody got to watch his parlay.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 The Raiders get back out there, man. They get a first down completion that is taken taken away because dude stepped out of bounds, so they got a

Speaker 3 legal touch-in on that one. And then on second down, I think the receiver, like I think Bonita called that one, he was like, Yeah, y'all run this.

Speaker 3 I'm gonna be sitting here waiting to give you this four or five-yard loss.

Speaker 3 Yeah, y'all, y'all go on here and y'all go on here and take that. You know what I'm saying? Sacking them boys up, dude.
Fourth down,

Speaker 3 it was a sack because the running back, how you missed that blitz pickup, bro?

Speaker 3 Like, how do you miss that

Speaker 3 it's like it's that's in your job description i don't know who it is i don't know like the quarterback knew it immediately like yo yo you you supposed to supposed to have him

Speaker 3 what is you doing bro

Speaker 3 uh oh denver get the short field now they finally got a little bit of field positions Dobbins went on ahead and hit them with 13 on that first one. Then they get a holding on the next play.
Somehow

Speaker 3 they complete a second and like 20. They get like almost 40 because Jamal Adams, I've been looking like he's spying from what I'm seeing.
Nick's going and breaks out.

Speaker 3 You could tell because Sid, as he at Crosby, as he goes, I almost said Sidney Crosby.

Speaker 3 Crosby.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 as he goes and he spins the corner. He's looking.
He sees the dude breaking. He like, okay.
And then he see ain't nobody there. He's like, what's going on

Speaker 3 he ended up throwing one right there they got what about 40 on that one the next time i think he threw one was about a seven yard touchdown they ended up 7-7 now

Speaker 3 it's a fight they in a true fight raiders come out there they go ahead get popped on set on first and third down they get sacked on first and third down punter rock

Speaker 3 don't nobody want to win

Speaker 3 It was bad ball. Dude, it was bad ball all around, dude.
Like that, that's bad ball. didn't reject back out there

Speaker 3 he should have had that completion on that first dude drops the ball like they just were they was dropping the ball they wasn't catching the ball they was having too many penalties man they get another pi on third down on this one dude pushed off they catch him on that one

Speaker 3 somehow they complete like a third and long

Speaker 3 And then Nick's goes here and throw that thing in the double coverage and say, you know what, I know it's only second down, but hell, I'm going to toss it up there anyway.

Speaker 3 That's just, that's just that was that was bad. That's just a terrible play.
You're trying to get points on the board before halftime, and it's second down. You still got another play to live.

Speaker 3 There's he was obviously covered, and you just threw the ball far for no reason. So, like, that, yeah, it's only second down.
It's only second down, man. Throw it out of bounds.

Speaker 3 That might have been fourth or something. I had to look.
Maybe I was lost.

Speaker 3 No, man, that was a second-down play. You, you got to try to get points there.
You haven't been playing right at the end

Speaker 3 for sure. Get it out of bounds.
Let's get another play. Yeah, that was crazy.
Yeah, throw it away. That's all you have to do, dude.
Like, that don't make no sense. Raiders get out there.

Speaker 3 Geno throws a beautiful pass down. Deep ball.
That dude goes ahead and drops that one.

Speaker 3 They end up

Speaker 3 gotta catch the ball. It's hitting you in the hands.
It's on both sides, though. Like, Gino's the son, they weren't playing the best ball, but the receivers ain't helping them.
Like, if the

Speaker 3 hands, you got to catch the joint, please. Like the balls that get in their hand, they ain't even catching.
They like, hey, uh-uh. No, I don't want to win.
You win, man.

Speaker 3 I don't want to win. You win.
In the first half, it's 7-7.

Speaker 3 Ain't nothing popping. 7-7, third quarter, they come out there.
Denver gets out there. And the first play, they get a pill.

Speaker 3 Yes, bro.

Speaker 3 Non-disciplined. Hey, can't

Speaker 3 start behind the sticks. You make plays and the flags come.
How are you going to get anything going?

Speaker 3 No question, dude. Three and out.
They punt the ball. Frader said, You ain't going to outdo us.
We're going three and out, too.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? You

Speaker 3 three and out us better than we can three and out you.

Speaker 3 Denver get back in there. They start moving the ball down the field a little bit, dude.

Speaker 3 Like first eight plays, I think they had like six runs for about 25, 26, even though one of them was just a quarterback sneak and then was two passes for about 20 yards.

Speaker 3 And then, as soon as the ninth play hit, them boys said, Hey, we got to do something to self-destruct. We got to slow this thing down, slow this thing down, false start,

Speaker 3 false start,

Speaker 3 false start, even though they got the false start, you know. But it's like what

Speaker 3 second and eight, something like that, even though they got the false start, they end up getting seven yards.

Speaker 3 Third and one.

Speaker 3 What is the receiver pass for at third and one?

Speaker 3 Why are you trying to do that? It's third and one and you get sacked.

Speaker 3 So you move back.

Speaker 3 Then

Speaker 3 you got to kick a field goal and you miss the field goal.

Speaker 3 Are you calling a receiver pass on third and one right there when all we got to do is just keep this thing moving? We're moving the ball. No, no.

Speaker 3 No, that's trying to outsmart yourself and you do dumb things instead of doing the normal thing

Speaker 3 like yeah i don't understand it and then again they missed the field goal seven seven raiders get the ball back they said hey

Speaker 3 you ain't go out through us we know y'all gotta go ahead and uh

Speaker 3 help y'all a little bit gently went on head and he said i ain't even gonna catch this tip here take it right off the shield first

Speaker 3 First, right off his shield, hit him dead in the face. Hey, man, here, man, take, man, take this.

Speaker 3 You look crazy yeah like that's just i yeah so something when i talked about like bow nicks play bad whatever like his stats 150 yards geno smith bad but these they're not getting helped you're kidding the ball like i like take away the picks like self-inflicted wounds buddy i hit you in the face mask with the rock you know what i'm saying like that's not my bad but it's a pick on gino so that's not good yeah denver come back out there they do another three and out because either nicks ain't get the ball off in time or something was gonna happen if he threw it they get a they get a PI because they start blocking before the screen get

Speaker 3 into his hands. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They punt the rock.

Speaker 3 Raiders get it back. Gino don't get the ball past the line of scrimmage on the second down.
They get an intentional grounding and then

Speaker 3 they go and get their punt block.

Speaker 3 Like

Speaker 3 this dude. like y'all y'all this dude been dropping that thing in there for all y'all all night and then y'all let his punt get blocked

Speaker 3 it wasn't even like it, like a tip like you kicked the man all up in the face with the ball. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, y'all gonna hurt his leg.
Like, I don't even, I don't even know what

Speaker 3 like, ain't nobody, ain't nobody want to block on that play. Like, special teams was in on it, too.
Like, no,

Speaker 3 we ain't gonna let the offense outdo us. They all, they all, we all gotta wash their legs, man.
Hey, we, we, we all gonna be, we all gonna get a part of this.

Speaker 3 So now, oh, though, here's the crazy thing, though. Denver gets the ball on the vegas 12-yard.
12-yard line.

Speaker 3 They go four plays and end up attempting a field goal from the 14.

Speaker 3 Yes, Debo. You go backwards two yards.
You go four plays, negative two. Them boys said, I'm going to outdo you.
I'm going to lose yards. That's just bad ball.
I'm going to lose yards.

Speaker 3 They ended up making the field goal, man. It is 10 to 7.
And now we got the offense. Raiders go three and out.
You ain't go out. Do me.

Speaker 3 Come back with a three and out. You ain't go out.
Do me. The Raiders get out there, buddy.
And I think they go 25.

Speaker 3 I think it was first down and 19. And then

Speaker 3 I think it was.

Speaker 3 Third down. Was that the next third down? They get sacked on that next third down, right? Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 3 yeah because they ain't complete no more third downs after the second quarter they got a punt the rock

Speaker 3 denver they get the ball back

Speaker 3 they say hey

Speaker 3 we're gonna return the favorite baby

Speaker 3 tip

Speaker 3 third down tip pass interception no

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 it hits it, it's hitting people. Like, deflection pass is like, dang, catch the block.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 and you, but I don't know. They can't get too frustrated because it ain't like they always putting it on them.
But I'm like, yo, but the ones that put on you wanted to get there. Come on,

Speaker 3 like, now you're going to make an excuse that you're not used to seeing the ball.

Speaker 3 I ain't used to seeing it in my hands.

Speaker 3 Throw that damn rock. What you doing?

Speaker 3 I'll be down here and low. Okay.

Speaker 3 No, they got to catch them. You know, they got to catch them, man.
They tripping.

Speaker 3 Man. Catch the easy ones, man.
So, Raiders, they started, I think, was the dimmer, what, 30, 45, 45 den

Speaker 3 damn it get uh i think they only get like 15 yards on five plays or so and they go for a 48 yard field goal dude and striking distance and listen they get it i am right right now i'm like yo

Speaker 3 i am like i hope they do not make this field i do not

Speaker 3 watch i've been watch this whole game to sit here and have a tie and be done wasted my whole night on a tie.

Speaker 3 Like, give me some type of satisfaction. Somebody lose.

Speaker 3 Somebody lose. Somebody get out of here.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. You were glad that that man missed the field goal and they got the rock back.

Speaker 3 Able to just do their thing, get it out of there.

Speaker 3 No question. No question.
Denver gets the ball back. I think they get like 18 on a third and one that picks up a first down.

Speaker 3 And then Crosby got an encroachment that dropped it to a first and and five

Speaker 3 that went to a second and one. And then the Raiders started to have to use their timeouts.
Then it was third and one. Knicks did a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 3 Next, they get a first down. I think they might have handed it off one more time, and then they nailed the rest of the game out, dude.

Speaker 3 That was a...

Speaker 3 Although I like defense. Boring game.
Yeah, although I like defense, it was no defense. It was just a horrible offenses.

Speaker 3 It was defense, too. Let me take it back to you.

Speaker 3 It was good defense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But like plays where you were like, yo, I'm seeing 50,000 plays they could have made. I'm seeing penalties that

Speaker 3 stopped plays, that stopped drives, that took away points. Okay.
You know, all that stuff. Like Denver, like, they got issues, bro.

Speaker 3 They need to improve. everything dude they talking about they need to improve early and do better early no man y'all look like y'all need to improve the whole night

Speaker 3 when i sat back and i was you know i was doing some little research looking at it, I guess they have a big issue on their first and second downs, what they call early down success rate.

Speaker 3 I guess they're only 32% on early down success rates or successful

Speaker 3 downs, early ideas.

Speaker 3 Exactly. I had to look that up.

Speaker 3 So I had to look that up. So I was wondering, like, what is what is successful, you know, for first and second down? Yes.
When you look it up, it tells you that you got to gain

Speaker 3 40%

Speaker 3 of the yards that is needed on first down.

Speaker 3 Okay. And if it's second down, you have to get 60% of the yards that is needed to get to the first down.
So basically, if you're first and 10, you need to get four yards. You need four yards.

Speaker 3 If it's second and 10, you need six yards. So, you know,

Speaker 3 same thing. Like, you get behind behind the chain.

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Speaker 3 If it's first first and 20 you need eight yards say you get that eight yards now it's second and 12 then on that second and 12 you would need like

Speaker 3 a little over nine and a half yards

Speaker 3 puts you at a manageable like third mile third down you know

Speaker 3 it's basically a keeping ahead of the sticks right right right right so like

Speaker 3 they need to do that they need chunks dude they like they don't throw the ball downfield i think i saw where like even on that same thing they were saying like on the early downs he's like 70 of his passes are within five yards of the line of scrimmage the dink and dunk yeah yeah the dink and dunk and then like dude he like he needs to improve period like he needs to get better with his decision making his accuracy dude i mean

Speaker 3 Even hell, maybe the calls too. Like y'all, y'all making some questionable calls.
Maybe something different that's going to help him. The penalties is killing them.

Speaker 3 The negative, negative, all them negative plays is killing them. Like they need a, they need a more consistent run game.
Like the offense, dude, the offense needs everything. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's what it seems like to me. What you, what you, what do you take from it? I take you saying exactly what I'm saying and what I'm seeing.

Speaker 3 I'm saying the offense is out there struggling and they've been struggling now for a lot of weeks, but they have a real, they have an elite defense.

Speaker 3 Their defense not only just plays good versus the Raiders, but they've been playing good kind of this whole year.

Speaker 3 They got to be able to, the offense needs to be more of a run, was good, more of a run game,

Speaker 3 more of a pass game. They got to catch the ball when it's open.
Like you said, getting ahead of the sticks.

Speaker 3 But I was just really impressed with the defense, being able to stay out there, being able to make plays, being able to create turnovers.

Speaker 3 And Broncos, just offense, not being able to get first downs, you're going four, three and out for the first four or five possessions in a row. Like, and then penalties too, 11 penalties.

Speaker 3 Like, you can't, you can, you can't keep hurting yourself. So the self-inflicted self-inflicted wounds, that also is why the success rate on first and second down isn't good.

Speaker 3 If you're starting off at first and 15, you know what I'm saying? You got to gain a lot more yards than just that four yards. You're behind the chains already.

Speaker 3 And it smashes down the playbook.

Speaker 3 When you go in there and you got that, you know, you, you got that, that range of that, that second and six or less, like you got a lot more playbook that you can use. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Especially if you're able to, you know, be able to run the ball.

Speaker 3 I don't think people understand like being able to successfully and can and consistently run the ball opens up so much, especially like for pass game, play action, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 When you can successfully and

Speaker 3 continuously like run the ball,

Speaker 3 it just makes everything opens up so much stuff for you. And like you said too, Debo,

Speaker 3 self-inflicted penalties.

Speaker 3 If you're not that good and you just can't make chunks and you just can't do things a certain way, don't set yourself up to already, when you do make a play, you get back by holding.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Your dudes are open and you drop the damn ball.

Speaker 3 Like catch these passes, don't hold. You know what I'm saying? Some of these plays that we do get, let these actually be first downs.

Speaker 3 So self-inflicted wounds on their offense, holdings, passing appearances, and then dropping passes. So the offense definitely not looking good.

Speaker 3 The defense is just holding them down, just making, making plays. You know what I'm saying? Creating turnovers.

Speaker 3 The defensive line, getting after the quarterbacks, not making, Gino sacked them six times. Like they were beating us up.
They weren't giving them time to throw.

Speaker 3 So if you got DBs that's out there, and then the best player,

Speaker 3 the corner, number two, Deuce, Deuce for the Denver Broncos, he's not even out there right now. So they're doing it with

Speaker 3 a backup corner. So if they get him back in there, Moss gets playing right.
Like they, I really like Denver's defense. The offense, they just got to not hurt theirselves, but Knicks.

Speaker 3 not throwing the ball downfield. It's just a lot.

Speaker 3 They got to figure out, look in the mirror, but it's always better when you can go to practice and study this tape when you won the game you know what i'm saying than lose the game yes yes it's it's it's it feels better to fix your your mess ups on a win

Speaker 3 does you know on a loss a thousand percent yeah and they eight and two so they've been doing a lot of fixing with some wins so i mean that that's that's it's not like they're doing too bad but there's other teams that you can't just be playing like this when teams are going to be able to score points on you like big time

Speaker 3 yeah for sure receivers got to catch the rock they got to get the rock to them speaking of receivers my guy aaron rogers responded on if as uh receivers wanted more targets do we have that video can you play the video because this little the video gives you a whole lot more

Speaker 3 content and then

Speaker 3 oh you don't got the video so he says if somebody wants more targets i welcome the conversation but usually i say let's watch the film let's see let's talk about football i love doing that the thing young players learn is that practice

Speaker 3 is very very important and when you show it week in and week out in practice it gives a quarterback a lot of confidence to come your way when it's football time he also said he also said some other things um

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 like

Speaker 3 how do you feel about this what do you what do you think he's saying or or do you what's your

Speaker 3 What's your feeling from this?

Speaker 3 hold on first let me ask you let me ask you this one diva let me get this let me see how you feel about this one first i want your perspective okay

Speaker 3 i

Speaker 3 don't have a problem with it because if you watched and listened to the whole thing he's basically saying

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 if he sees it in practice you do it in practice you do it effectively I'll have confidence in you and I'll get the ball to you.

Speaker 3 But he also in that same conversation says that sometimes I can't can't get the ball to you, and sometimes we don't get the ball to those guys, and that no one is complaining about that, and everybody understands that, and so on, and so forth.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 I'm

Speaker 3 cool with it. That's why, if we had the whole thing, you would actually be very, very cool with it.
Okay, the response, to be honest with you, dude. I think the whole response is about a minute 40.

Speaker 3 Uh, uh, Aaron Rodgers' response, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 So, this is what I would say: I appreciate Aaron Rodgers' response, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't think he's trying to throw shade, he's really, if you're open and let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 I'm the quarterback, I'm not trying to not get people the ball for any reasons. And we can make these conversations in practice.

Speaker 3 You can show me, like, boom, on this, you know, when your head's whipped around on time, you're getting your head around on time, you're ready for the pass to be presented to you.

Speaker 3 Oh, and that was that was something else he was saying: like, yo, it may not get to you because the coverage that we're looking for is not the coverage that it's going to be successful in you know what i'm saying like that's why i said like yeah keep going though no no for sure i appreciate that because it's the quarterback can have in conversations that you can go and watch tape with the dbs you can let him know your progressions not every time you're the one that's like supposed to be getting there it might be getting set up for for this look you know what i'm saying if this that look so being able to have that talk with your quarterback like no if we get this look this man to man and me and you got this thing you know it's coming to you you want the ball there you're You're showing me in practice.

Speaker 3 You're understanding. You're doing all the right things.
You're on your spots. So I can trust you to be there at any time.
So long as just me and you, I want, he needs rapport.

Speaker 3 If you can show it to me, I'm A-Rock. I'm not trying to score touchdowns.
Trust me. I want us to be as successful as possible.

Speaker 3 And if that means getting you to rock a little bit more, like let's, let's talk about it. I can show you where opportunities where I can get it to you, what, where I'm looking for.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? So I think it's all good because he wants to win games. He's a great quarterback.
A great quarterback doesn't want to get the ball.

Speaker 3 He does not want to get the ball to his receivers. So just having conversations and speaking like this, where let's get into it, let's talk, let's watch tape.

Speaker 3 That just like this, yes, that's what football players and teams are supposed to do. If somebody wants the ball, let's talk about this.
Like, let's work together.

Speaker 3 Your goal is to score touchdowns and mine goal is to throw them too. So our goals can both work together.
You know what I'm saying? Let's just, let's just do it constructively.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? So I really appreciate the way Aaron Rodgers did this. It's professionalism.
It's telling him like, look, boom, we're on the same thing together.

Speaker 3 Let's go watch this tape and let's learn. Like, it's important.
Like, Abraham could tell him what he's looking for and he could show them to him in practice.

Speaker 3 So I like the way that they're trying to build relationships. And this is, this is a great answer for me.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like it's, it's no, it's no I and team. And

Speaker 3 and when you look at basketball, you know, they were like, it's no I and team, but it's me. Yeah, it's only five players out there.

Speaker 3 You need guys to do everything that's necessary on that page to get one assignment done

Speaker 3 to make to make one play successful and i think now a lot of these receivers are just so worried about what their numbers are what this is what that is

Speaker 3 the concept of a football team is to win lombardi's so we got to win games like how can you be upset if you're winning games if you're not winning games and you feel like you can go in there and you if you had got more catches, more touches, that they figured out a way to get the ball to you,

Speaker 3 you could have made a different outcome. But guys just crying and complaining about it, and we're winning.
Like,

Speaker 3 and you're still playing. I don't, I don't, I don't understand that.
So, you know,

Speaker 3 no, I think that's a new age era thing, you know.

Speaker 3 Like, when you go back to when we play, you ain't hear Heinz Ward complaining about he ain't getting the rock, he out there knocking people's jaws loose, he literally breaking boys' jaws, blocking in the run game, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 No, no, no, for sure, doing what, doing whatever's necessary, right? So,

Speaker 3 I think that's it i like just this this new this new era speaking of that uh uh rome what's what's this dunes uh i guess his father had something to say um

Speaker 3 uh about the bears he criticized the bears i guess he uh senior he's junior yes his dad yeah so uh he he criticized the bears but the junior, he said, you know, that ain't got nothing to do with me.

Speaker 3 You know, that's his dad's opinion. What do you,

Speaker 3 what do you think of that? You think, you think that's real or you think, I mean,

Speaker 3 I don't know. You tell me, Joe.
You know how this is, Debo. You know how this is.
Some people have more outspoken parents than others.

Speaker 3 Some people's parents know, like at the end of the day, when you're in the league and anything that you say, like John Morant's dad.

Speaker 3 or um LeBar, Levar and LeVar Ball's dad, the Balls brothers dad, whatever you say, you know what I'm saying? You know it's going to be on the media.

Speaker 3 It's going to, your son's going to have to answer about it so sometimes how i feel about this stuff is more you're kind of putting on your kid you're you're the you're the you're the you're that's your son you love your son you're going to root for him you're going to want the best of him regardless but saying things like this out publicly is going to make him have to answer these questions to the media about his dad and the whole time is you're not your dad loves you your dad gonna be able to say what he says and that's what i would i'm like you can't control what comes out of your father's mouth but at the same time you you're his boy he's gonna love you to death And if he wants to see, if he sees you not getting used the right way, he's sometimes those guys want to speak on it, but just know you're putting your son in a position to answer questions about why his dad feels this way.

Speaker 3 Do you feel that way? And you have to answer, like, no, I'm my own man. My dad loves me.
He thinks I could be able to make a lot more plays.

Speaker 3 He thinks I should be able to be used a lot better than this, but

Speaker 3 I'm in the room. I got to answer these questions.
I'm here. So at the end of the day, like, no, I don't feel that way.

Speaker 3 He may feel like he can get the ball a little bit more, but while he's playing for the team, he's in that locker room. He can't make that answer.
He can't say that out loud.

Speaker 3 And what are you going to say to his dad? That's my dad. I love my dad.
My dad is his own man. Like, no, dad, shut up.

Speaker 3 No, your dad's going to say what he wants to say because that's your father, but then you're going to respect him and be like, at the end of the day, that's how dad feels.

Speaker 3 I can only speak from how I feel. You know what I'm saying? So, dad could be talking to his son and knowing what's going on, but end of the day, your dad is your dad.

Speaker 3 I look at it like Lonzo Ball, LeVar Ball. I look at my dad.
If my dad were to say some stuff, I'd be like, all right, Paul, come on, man. But that's the way my dad feels.
That's not the way I feel.

Speaker 3 Or it could be the way that he feels, but just doesn't want to put his team out there like that.

Speaker 3 Are you

Speaker 3 what you think? So I love that positive answer. But I told you, I got a red guy on one shoulder

Speaker 3 and I got a white angel guy with wings on the other shoulder.

Speaker 3 If

Speaker 3 my daddy was a social media guy, he's no longer with us.

Speaker 3 I would have definitely used him if

Speaker 3 i was in that position where i felt like i needed to get the ball more

Speaker 3 and they would go look at my daddy's social media to vent

Speaker 3 my frustrations

Speaker 3 that is any frustrations that everybody could see

Speaker 3 from me playing the game on the field, not in the locker room or with the coaches. I'm going to use him as my middleman.
I don't believe you. I can get off my chest what I want to say.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't believe you.

Speaker 3 When they come to me, you know what I'm going to tell them?

Speaker 3 What you going to tell them, D?

Speaker 3 I ain't got no control over what my daddy said. That's my daddy's opinion.
I don't feel that way.

Speaker 3 Now, listen,

Speaker 3 I'm going to tell you this right now.

Speaker 3 If I said, my daddy said, or my mama said,

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna say I'm lying, but

Speaker 3 I gotta put it off on somebody. And they told me it was okay for me to do that.
So

Speaker 3 time needed.

Speaker 3 Debo, you are funny. So, but for real, for real, though, you, you, you would, if you had, if you had a problem, if you were, let's put you, say you a dozen, right?

Speaker 3 And you don't feel like you're getting the rock, would you tell your part the if he was on Twitter? and was like, would you be like, man, Pop, go ahead and let them know.

Speaker 3 Like, I need to be getting the pill.

Speaker 3 listen

Speaker 3 hold on let y'all see my eye because i'm a little bright but hey

Speaker 3 i'm gonna tell my daddy

Speaker 3 privately

Speaker 3 say everything i say for you verbatim and then add some other stuff in there that i wouldn't say

Speaker 3 that is out of character So they don't think it's me all the way.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Listen, daddy, I love you. You know, I love you.
Yeah, yeah, I love you too, son.

Speaker 3 Hey, bro, and when and when they come ask me, you know, I'm gonna have to deny, yes, son, of course, yeah. I'm your daddy, I got you, hey,

Speaker 3 what you think, what you think, what you think Marvin Sr. did, his son, did know for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 Hey,

Speaker 3 listen,

Speaker 3 I think it's the playing chess over there. The chess move is for you to go and yell and scream about it.
Uh-uh. Chess move is how your daddy do it.
And your daddy, Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 3 That Marvin Harrison got gold jacket. That carried weight.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Now with social media, everybody wants to talk and have a word. So if you got a parent that's on social media and you a guy that's on the bottom,

Speaker 3 all you got to do is put it out there. Hey, and you know what? I'm going to even help him because before he do it,

Speaker 3 I'm going to make sure I start tagging. My daddy, hey, my daddy right here.
We here. We there.
Tag, tag, tag. So when

Speaker 3 you pump it, you pumping this grab. Hey,

Speaker 3 I'm pre, I'm pre-pumping for the dumping. Okay, you pre-pumping.

Speaker 3 Debo, you. I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 I got a red, and I'm just playing David's advocate right here. I

Speaker 3 right now wouldn't do that

Speaker 3 being a position that I am right now and having my relationship with my lawyer. I wouldn't do that right now.
But

Speaker 3 old James.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 my daddy would do it. My daddy wouldn't do it.
My daddy was normally, I talk to you, faith kind of kind of guy. He ain't,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 now listen. No, I ain't gonna say nothing else because I'm gonna mess around.
And yeah. Uh-uh.
Nope. Nope.

Speaker 3 I ain't about to give him no information. No, but that's why I'm saying I think he down.

Speaker 3 I think he downplayed it, though, bro, because I honestly would have think that his dad is going to say whatever his dad wants to say. I don't think he told his dad to say it.

Speaker 3 I ain't saying he told his dad to say it, but I'm pretty sure you venting your frustrations about how they is and ain't using you there you are

Speaker 3 yeah no for sure for sure for sure but i'm saying that but but but then what's the difference then of you putting it out than you having your daddy put it out

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 i am not now a disgruntled receiver employee yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right man my daddy looking at it he's seeing he got eyes he's answering everything right he is answering i'm good I'm happy.

Speaker 3 I'm doing what's necessary. What I like more talk.
Listen, we're playing. This is what it is.

Speaker 3 I got the story out. I got the people talking now.
Look, we're talking. Yeah, you're right.
You're right.

Speaker 3 And he did the right thing. He answered the right way, too.
So Rome is clean. Rome is clean.
Everything clean. Hey, he's clean.
He's everything clean, boy. Cleaner than the board of health.

Speaker 3 You're correct, Debo. If that's the way he did it, he done fooled me.
Hey, that boy said,

Speaker 3 I'm playing checkers.

Speaker 3 Hey, you playing checkers. He's playing chess.
He's playing chess, baby. Yeah, he's playing chess, baby.
That's that's you know, that's that's really all there's to it. Damn, young boy got my ass.

Speaker 3 Yes, he did. I'm telling you this.
The game does the game doesn't change, baby. These boys doing things different.

Speaker 3 The games, dolphins said, you know, they done removed a what is it, a pop-a-shot

Speaker 3 basketball game from the locker room. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you this right here, though.
Yes, so

Speaker 3 on these,

Speaker 3 on these games, like

Speaker 3 being in like locker rooms and all that stuff,

Speaker 3 yo, I don't have a problem with all that stuff being removed. I actually have a problem with it being there.
Like you're not here to have fun at work.

Speaker 3 Like we're not here to manufacture other things that is not work that is fun for you. You should have a job that is fun.
That way, when you go to work, you're having fun and you get paid to do it

Speaker 3 no like when did this

Speaker 3 start where we gotta go to work and when we go to work we gotta have something fun you know when we come in we have something fun for the employees they come in and it's a sucker and it says have a great day

Speaker 3 kiss the back end of

Speaker 3 day

Speaker 3 Debo, they're tripping. You're here to work.
That's it. I'm not spending no, huh? Listen,

Speaker 3 you want to work, get the work done,

Speaker 3 go ahead, get all this. Listen, bonus structure, just like, yo, you know, I'm gonna show the appreciation of what you're doing to me for me.

Speaker 3 Hey, man, Christmas bonuses, stuff like that. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 I'm not here to put the basketball game in here because now,

Speaker 3 you know what? That 15-minute break y'all supposed to get done turned into 30.

Speaker 3 Running late. That that 45-minute lunch done turned into an hour, 15.

Speaker 3 If you're lucky.

Speaker 3 And then if you lost, you're trying to get back there immediately.

Speaker 3 You know, if I lose, I got to get back. As long as I can, I can't leave work with the loss.

Speaker 3 Boy, I didn't even think about the job no more. Come on.
They're talking about, man, I'm two-and-one against so-and-so, man. Yeah, I got to get back in there.

Speaker 3 They can't see me in ping-pong. Can't see me in the ping-pong.

Speaker 3 Man, the little hoop on the the back of the thing, I'm

Speaker 3 wet with that jumper. Yeah, the boy said it's wet.

Speaker 3 It don't matter.

Speaker 3 This is what I'm Debo. I'm with you 1000%.

Speaker 3 Um, the main thing is the main thing. When we go in there, you need to have like, I want to have the you got hot tubs, cold tubs.
Do we have nutritionists?

Speaker 3 Like, those are the main things in the main thing. Yo, that's what they need to do.
Stop getting these little teeny penny games and get real

Speaker 3 help in there. That's that's real third one.
When we come in there and you start getting like the facility, is for the main thing is you're going to be doing recovery.

Speaker 3 As long as they have all nice recovery facilities, like there's no time, honestly, for games or like

Speaker 3 we can go do that after at the crib, dude. That's where you get paid this dough that we have a nice house.
I might got no penny,

Speaker 3 no table tennis. It's no real time.

Speaker 3 When you're in the facility,

Speaker 3 we could be sitting here together, eating, talking about whatever it is the game plan is, adjustments are, all that, getting short on

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Speaker 3 everything that you have going on instead of

Speaker 3 I mean I won't you

Speaker 3 it's no it's not you're not you're in there and when you're in the facilities like you know what I'm saying Debo you got there's meetings there's there's things that you're doing you should there's things that you could be doing at all times until you all time join there's no real time where you can be all right bet now i'm going to go play unless you're not eating you know what i'm saying or instead you're not eating you should be doing some recovery, getting ready for practice.

Speaker 3 Like there's no real time where you be like, all right, I bet I got 30 minutes. You're doing recovery.
You ready to go play some pool? That's it. No.

Speaker 3 I don't have 30 minutes to go play pool. We got practice coming up.
Well, after practice, we have a meeting and then I'm going to go home. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, that's like where nobody's in the facility after everybody's gone. But like, wouldn't you like go to the house or like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, that's when, hopefully you've been there all damn day. I'm not standing here to play pool.
I'm going home to go play pool or go see my kids. Like we've been here all day doing the job.

Speaker 3 And that's what you do there. You work.
And then when you leave, you go, you go play. You can go do what you want to do.
But in the facility, I'm so with like the extracurricular stuff.

Speaker 3 It's mainly, do we have, we need to fix our hot tubs and cold tubs. You know what I'm saying? Like, do we have people that can go stretch us? Is our equipment good? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, that's the thing I feel like money or any of that stuff should be going to. Like, not the other, that's just wasting time.
Oh, no question about it, dude. Like, that, yeah.

Speaker 3 I was, I was never really a, you know, a fan, you know, of uh

Speaker 3 having the extra, you know, stuff in there.

Speaker 3 But this, uh,

Speaker 3 this, what is it, Sunday night? It's Sunday night. We got Sunday night football, right?

Speaker 3 Still his Chargers, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 In LA,

Speaker 3 in LA.

Speaker 3 Listen here, man. This is what we need the defense to do, man.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Defense has to go out there and continue to produce.

Speaker 3 All right. Charles is the number, what, 4-5 offense.
Yes.

Speaker 3 We have to do the first things first, and that's stop the run. We can't be trying to fight a two-headed monster, okay? Okay.
We have to pressure.

Speaker 3 What is it? Herbert? Yep, Justin Herbert. We got to pressure Herbert,

Speaker 3 which has gotten a lot easier or at least a little easier because I think they lost a tackle alt for the season.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 then

Speaker 3 we got to shore up our pass defense, man. We got to

Speaker 3 limit the big chunks. Come on.
DBs. have to play tighter and cleaner no penalties nephew i'm talking to you.
He about the hoop. He about the hoop.

Speaker 3 I'm talking to nephew, Lil Peasy. You got to use your feet and take advantage of your length and your speed.
I'm talking directly to you, nephew. Okay, Lil Peasy, I'm talking directly to you.

Speaker 3 I want to see you put together a whole complete game,

Speaker 3 week in and week out. And I'm doing this on purpose.
You know why? Because I know you're your daddy's son.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 when I call you out, I put pressure on. That don't mean nothing to you.
They don't do shit, but motivate you. Okay.

Speaker 3 And he coming fresh off the, he coming fresh off the full PBUs, pick and a sack. Lil Hanzy, all I'm saying is PC got the ability to be all pro.
He has the skill set to be all pro. I'm just loving it.

Speaker 3 He do that and take away those little, like a little, take away two little grabbies. Like in the day, those pass breakup you, you can have six pass breakups, a pick, and a sack.
Complete game, nephew.

Speaker 3 Do that.

Speaker 3 I like that. We need to continue.
Last but not least, mostly, we need to create turnovers. Hey, nephew, give me a pick or two.
Come on, let's go. I like them to do it.
I need a game ball.

Speaker 3 Nephew, give me a game ball, baby. I like it.
I like them to do it. And then we need the same thing, man.
Same, look, do what we did last week. Can we just run it back? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna say that. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 We need some more. No, no, no, no.
I'm talking about the defense. I'm talking about defense.
I'm talking about defense side of the ball. Defense side of the ball.
Oh, yeah. Only strictly.

Speaker 3 Run it back minus the penalties.

Speaker 3 Yeah, minus the little penalties, but I'm just saying, just stop the run. You know what I'm saying? But now in the past, take away the chunks.
Like you said, take away the little bit of grabbies.

Speaker 3 Take away the chunk plays, the taking the cheese, the biting the cheese, Debo. You know what I'm saying? Don't let it come behind.

Speaker 3 Drop off, come up, make the tackles, and we'll be good to go. Let's do that.
Yeah, we're going to need the offense.

Speaker 3 Now, offensive side.

Speaker 3 Offense, we're going to need the front line. Start with the front line, man.
Start with old D line, man. Yeah.
We need to be able to do it up front. We got to

Speaker 3 be able to run that ball effectively.

Speaker 3 Like, we need to have more consistent run game.

Speaker 3 I don't care

Speaker 3 if it's three, four yards in a cloud of dust. That keeps us ahead of the change.
Yes.

Speaker 3 It burns clock.

Speaker 3 You know, like

Speaker 3 plays defense ain't no bums. What is they? No, they ain't something like that.
They rank second in the league and scoring defense. They're only giving 18 and a half points a game.
Oh, my. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's not, they're not weak. They're not weak at all.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Matter of fact, I think they third against the pass. I think the only thing they, what, maybe 17th in the run.
So we got to take advantage of that. We got to be up.

Speaker 3 We got to try and take advantage of that.

Speaker 3 Like, if we can effectively run the ball again, like it opens up the pass game, it opens up the pass game, it opens up play action, it does a lot of things when you can effectively run the ball because now they got to put something down there to try and stop it.

Speaker 3 You know, and the biggest thing is no turnovers,

Speaker 3 no offensive turnovers.

Speaker 3 We go in there,

Speaker 3 we do that.

Speaker 3 We're going to come away with the dub.

Speaker 3 Facts, We're going to come away with another dub.

Speaker 3 Because we can't, like you said, we can't be turning that ball over. Defense is going to keep giving us the ball back.
You know what I'm saying? We win the turnover battle. We can't.

Speaker 3 We won the turnover battle by five and one by seven. So we just got to be able to offense score when you get into the red zone, even field goal.
But we need touchdowns if we get down there.

Speaker 3 But definitely don't turn the ball over.

Speaker 3 Field goals, you know what I'm saying? And position. If you got to punt that thing, punt it deep.
Let's get it down there because our defense is cold.

Speaker 3 No question. Give us room to work with.
Come on. Give us room to work with.
Hey, hey, Joe, who uh who the Browns play?

Speaker 3 Hold on.

Speaker 3 It doesn't matter who. Oh, you sorry, mother sucker.

Speaker 3 Is it at the Jets, man?

Speaker 3 It is, babe. What y'all gonna do, man? What y'all gonna do?

Speaker 3 You know what?

Speaker 3 This is, this is, this is

Speaker 3 a lot of

Speaker 3 because i because i because you because i don't know what we're going to do debo that's why i'm stuttering because i if i was honest i would tell you the truth i don't know what we're going to do i'm being honest right now you're being honest right now i know one thing i know what's i know what is going to happen our defense gonna go out there and ball out that's what's going to happen miles garrett ward the warden the boys they're going to go out there and do what they got to do My concern is what are we going to do on O.

Speaker 3 Hopefully if we can run the ball right, we can run the ball consistently, get Junkins out there.

Speaker 3 I want to see Junkins running it, and I want to see what Dylan Gabriel, if he's going to help us or hurt us, or is it going to be Shador?

Speaker 3 That's basically what it is.

Speaker 3 He has a game, he hurts the team. Dylan out.
Start Shador next year.

Speaker 3 You start him halfway.

Speaker 3 I'm

Speaker 3 going to let him. Two picks by halftime.
Gone

Speaker 3 yesterday.

Speaker 3 Debo.

Speaker 3 Debo, two picks by halftime. He's killing us.
He's not just hurting us. He's on, he's betting on the other team.
He throws two picks in the first half. He's betting on the Jets.
Hold on. What if one?

Speaker 3 What if one is a great play and the other one is a tip?

Speaker 3 One is a great play, the other one's a tip.

Speaker 3 Man, the table, man, listen, it was not meant to be for Dylan.

Speaker 3 It should have been a tip. It could have been a tip to the ground, a tip, score.

Speaker 3 It could have fell in his favor. Universe speaking, huh? No,

Speaker 3 okay,

Speaker 3 okay, come on, Debo. Hey, I'm just asking, Joe, you really went there.
You said two picks. If he throw two tutties, he's in there, he's in there like swimwear.
But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 He throws two picks, yanked.

Speaker 3 Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 So we're gonna go ahead and call that shador watch. All right, we're on Shador Watch right now, y'all.
Oh, that's

Speaker 3 that's a fact. Yo, Joe, I need you, I need your mid-season awards.
First one is the no-fly zone. Who, who, who you got for the best DB mid-season?

Speaker 3 my best db

Speaker 3 midseason

Speaker 3 for the joe hayden no fly zone

Speaker 3 it's my safety the safety for the um for um chicago chicago oh

Speaker 3 yeah baby for chicago bro i ain't gonna even lie to you you know what i'm saying like people how did you pick the Yes, yo, listen, listen, I was gonna straight up be like, listen, I don't really know.

Speaker 3 I ain't really on it. But I said, you know what? Let me go look at the stat that counts.
Interceptions.

Speaker 3 You know what I found? He leading. You know why? I went ahead and did a little bit of the, you know, a little bit other work and saw a couple other things.
I said, you know what?

Speaker 3 He got to be it. And you know why, too, though? Because not only is he just getting picks, bro, it's the way he's doing it.
He's reading the quarterback. They just not like lucky picks.

Speaker 3 They ain't falling into him. They're not just falling into his lap.
He's going to go getting picks. He's baiting quarterbacks, making picks.
So

Speaker 3 stand up.

Speaker 3 What is it? Kevin Bayard? Kevin Bayard. Kevin Bayard.
Yes, bro. Give Kevin Bayer all the love in the world.
Because he was doing it when I was out there.

Speaker 3 Safety. Safety.
He's doing it, man. He's doing it.
Shout out, Bayer. He's been balling, reading pick, reading quarterbacks like books.
All right. So

Speaker 3 give me your best linebacker, man.

Speaker 3 Best linebacker.

Speaker 3 Shout out

Speaker 3 Brook Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 P. Dub.

Speaker 3 P. Dub.
I'm going P. Dub.

Speaker 3 I'm going P. Dub.

Speaker 3 I'm going P. Dub at linebacker.

Speaker 3 I like it. I like it.
I like it.

Speaker 3 The reason why I'm going P-Dub, because P-Dub is Sean.

Speaker 3 He's walking people down. He's making plays in the backfield.
He's making plays, athletic plays, pass breakups, jumping up, and he's just around the football all the time, 14 tackles.

Speaker 3 And I just love his enthusiasm. I love when he walked down the wide receiver, showing his speed, his effort, and then just making plays all around his excitedness.
He's balling.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to go with P. Dub.
A little homer vibe right there, but I'm going to give P. Dub some love because I think he has nowhere to go but better.

Speaker 3 Um, who are you going? We're going.

Speaker 3 So I was kind of like in between, like two people to be honest with you. So, like, just

Speaker 3 best linebacker, you know.

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna lie, dude.

Speaker 3 Dude, for the Giants, bro.

Speaker 3 Burns.

Speaker 3 Bruh. Yeah, yeah.
Like, zero. You put numbers out there, bro.
Number zero? Yes, bro. You put numbers out there.
Dude, man, got 11 seconds. He got 15 quarterback hits, dude.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 dude, he got 42 total tackles. Along with that, he got five pass defenses and two force fumbles, man.
He impacting everything.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 best, like, he's doing it all. I know

Speaker 3 the record ain't showing that and all that.

Speaker 3 But I was also looking at

Speaker 3 Terrain Edmonds, like, in Chicago. Yes, yes, for the best.
I ain't gonna lie. But, you know, me,

Speaker 3 I'm a sack guy. He got four picks, too.

Speaker 3 He got about 70,

Speaker 3 almost 75 tackles, dude. Like,

Speaker 3 you know, like, this is doing it. Like,

Speaker 3 i like i like that guy you know what i'm saying like so if i had to go with an inside

Speaker 3 matter of fact i would go there there it is if i had to go with that but

Speaker 3 yeah it was it was a toss-up but i i went i went i went with the new york guy but like i said tremendous edmans he there he there he there okay

Speaker 3 who you got for overall

Speaker 3 defensive mvp man right now starting over i gotta go with the man that's halfway to 20.

Speaker 3 My boy Miles Garrett. 31 tackles, 10 sacks, forced fumble.
And I think he's just on pace right now. I'll get 20 sacks.
So him doing that, him going out there, hooping out, he's still on pace.

Speaker 3 Shout out, Miles for 10 sacks right now, you know, leading the league. I mean, it's just, he just, he's just a beast.
He's not leading the league. Dude, leading the league got 11.

Speaker 3 Oh, he must have just played or something. Well, Miles is two, and he deserves one.
Y'all had had a body. He deserves to be one.

Speaker 3 That's why. That's why.
Miles a game lasts 10 sacks.

Speaker 3 Not at one. They're trying to double and triple.
That's a little harmful play by you, but I understand it. Oh,

Speaker 3 but my overall, I'm sorry. Who you go? I have to go with Nick Bonito.

Speaker 3 That man has nine and a half sacks,

Speaker 3 20 quarterback hits, 32 total tackles, and his play is affecting the wins of his team. They are seven and two,

Speaker 3 okay?

Speaker 3 And not only are they seven and two, they are number two defense in the NFL. Who's number three?

Speaker 3 Cleveland.

Speaker 3 Just under

Speaker 3 92 yards a game rushing, 180 passing, okay.

Speaker 3 what's got to give it to a guy whose play mvp

Speaker 3 not

Speaker 3 mv my play is so valuable to my team multi most valuable player his

Speaker 3 though his play is stellar has not been valuable enough to get them wins that's why i would give it to nick

Speaker 3 I can respect that over

Speaker 3 over over my

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 3 who is your best overall

Speaker 3 defense

Speaker 3 are you asking me this do you you do you you know what i'm gonna say

Speaker 3 you know who i'm gonna say debo yeah go ahead why who and why what do you mean why what do you mean why they were number one and all of a sudden they must have just changed the three something i don't know but they've been they were number one they've been hooping the offense hasn't been giving them anything that keeps them on the field they're fighting for their lives i'm going to say they're the number one defense.

Speaker 3 And it just has to be sorry that we have the worst offense. So the Browns defense, number one, Miles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Del Pitt, the boys are balling.

Speaker 3 They've been balling all year, but it sucks when you can't, when you keep repeatedly being out there. So you need somebody.

Speaker 3 You scratch my back, I scratch your back. Okay.
You know what I'm saying? You don't hear the Browns complaining about, oh, no, our offense isn't doing anything. They're not doing shit.

Speaker 3 Even though they're not. Well, I just want to say this.
Even though they're

Speaker 3 Um,

Speaker 3 I don't know how

Speaker 3 you drop in ratings on a bye week on a defense. I could see on offense, I don't see how it must mean other defenses out, other defenses balled out and played very, very, very well.
But but

Speaker 3 the Browns are number three now,

Speaker 3 the overall

Speaker 3 number one defense in the league statistically is actually Houston.

Speaker 3 Okay, okay, I think that's where

Speaker 3 the numbers are.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 with that being said,

Speaker 3 Houston is what?

Speaker 3 Three and five.

Speaker 3 They lost, I think,

Speaker 3 four of the five games they lost by seven points or fewer, which to me,

Speaker 3 I think says

Speaker 3 you may be the number one rated defense, but when it comes time to either stop or make game-winning plays, you're not doing it. So

Speaker 3 again,

Speaker 3 I'm looking at Denver as the number two defense, who is now a league best eight and two

Speaker 3 with five of their wins by four or fewer points. Okay.

Speaker 3 That's telling me

Speaker 3 they made stops when they needed to make stops. Yes, sir, yes, sir.
They made plays when they needed to make plays. Yes, sir, yes, sir.
You can just go with their numbers.

Speaker 3 They performed when the performance was needed, unlike Cleveland. Nope, nope.
Denver's Denver, second best defense in the league. You made a great point just now about that.
Yep.

Speaker 3 Denver's second best defense in the league for sure. They are number two, but for me, they are the best defense in the league.

Speaker 3 Yep. Okay.
No, I could, I look,

Speaker 3 tip for tat, tip for tap.

Speaker 3 But I like them. Like you said, being able to close out games.
I mean, yeah, the

Speaker 3 Browns, I don't think we've been, we've been in a couple of situations where I think we could have closed it out. You know, where we was dang, yep, the last joint in the end zone.

Speaker 3 We could have closed that out. Okay, so yeah, that's the best.
Best defense just closed that out and put that away. No, for sure.

Speaker 3 But, man, we've been in that situation, you know, just so many times, but you got to do it. If you want to be the best defense, the best defensive league, you got to get.

Speaker 3 Stop it. All right.
I'm still going with us denver respectfully number two but i love the way that they close out games we got to start closing making sure we close them out oh

Speaker 3 on on another before we get out of here hey man they went on head and got a b they they they they they got him back up in here they extradited i guess i didn't buy got him back here got to be more careful got listen got to be more careful bro because yeah man that's yeah that's that's wild brody you know it's because it's all from the beginning when hey did they give him bail?

Speaker 3 I think they gave him bail. They gave him bail.

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna lie. I ain't, I ain't think they was gonna give him bail.
Didn't he already take off one? No, no, no, no, no. I don't, they ain't give him bail yet for this one.
Cause this one,

Speaker 3 they gave him bail back in May when the thing originally happened, like

Speaker 3 five, six months ago.

Speaker 3 So they gave him that bail. He paid the 10 bands and now he been out Dubai ever since.
So they trying to get him. And then they just extradited him back for that same jump.

Speaker 3 Boy, you out there tweeting posts and letting them know where you at, man. I've been quiet as a church mouse my man's shaking

Speaker 3 yeah bro that's that's crazy i hope i'll pray a b and see what's up but you know did you see the video of back in the day or what they were they talking about yes yes bro yeah man like what is she it's already done and over with like and you come back like that's what you can't come back and then you can't come back that's what you can't come back

Speaker 3 you just left you out of there because right now we're safe like once you save once they found you brought like they tried to come take your stuff. And then everything broke up.
All right.

Speaker 3 Now they're not trying to take your stuff. Okay.

Speaker 3 But it's just, now it's the situation. It's a quick thing.
Boy, what you about to go do? You could just be like, all right, they tried to get me. All right.
I made it out of here. Safe.

Speaker 3 We can, all right, next. Or go back in and trying to figure someone else.
Like, that's just was the part once it broke down and then started going back left. Now it's like, God.

Speaker 3 Damn, in an instant, bro. Yeah.
In an instant, you can't be on. Yeah.
So we'll see. I hope I'm hoping the best.
But yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, for sure.
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