Nightcap Hour 1: Quinnen Williams WON’T HELP the COWBOYS + Colts GAMBLE on TRADING for Sauce Gardener + Ravens’ Isaiah Likely EXPOSES Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 18 Talk to Timmy. Your squad, show wish you could have joined us on Monday night.
Got the brakes beat off them at home. Watching the televised again.

Speaker 18 But Jerry Jones kept his big trade promise, acquiring Pro Bo defensive tackles Quinn Williams from the Jets and linebacker Logan Wilson from the Bengal. Jets gave up a 2027 first-round pick, a

Speaker 18 2026 second-round pick, and defensive tackle Mozzie Smith. The Jets acquired Williams.
Dallas also acquired Logan Wilson from the Bengals in exchange for a seventh round pick.

Speaker 18 How much better did the Cowboys get, Ocho and Joe, with those additions? Quinn Williams and Logan Wilson.

Speaker 18 Hey, I think we got better. I mean, we've been struggling struggling on the defensive side.
Oh, sure. Y'all know that.

Speaker 18 And you ain't had to bring that up neither. What happened on Monday night? We could have left that alone.
You understand? But I'm on here repping tonight. You know, I got my Cowboy starter jacket on.

Speaker 18 Hey, we got a new start, baby. It's time for us to, you know, buckle down and see what we can do in the second half of the season.
I'm excited about the new additions, man.

Speaker 18 Let's see if we can stream some wins together.

Speaker 18 I don't think that's probably not likely, but I understand. Look, I mean, not a whole lot of teams.

Speaker 18 If you're 3-5-1, Joe, at this point in the season, normally a whole lot of 3-5-1 teams aren't giving up first and second-round picks. They're trying to unload.
They're not trying to acquire.

Speaker 18 And so it's odd. You know, Jerry must believe.

Speaker 18 I guess that means that he doesn't believe in Mozzie Smith. Mozzie Smith was a former first-round draft pick.

Speaker 18 Jerry doing all the picking. You know, Jerry say, can't nobody do a better job than him.
Well, I mean, y'all understand that. Y'all know he's running that shit.
Hey, he's running that ship over there.

Speaker 18 He's going to run it how he wanted to be running. With an iron fist.
Yeah, you already know. They have a 7% chance, Joe, of reaching the playoffs according to ESPN

Speaker 18 Football Power Index. Quinny Williams, four years, $96 million

Speaker 18 that he signed in 2023 with a total of $66 million guaranteed. The contract runs through 2027.
The Cowboys are now responsible for the remaining payments after they're acquiring him.

Speaker 18 The problem is, he really doesn't have a whole lot of guaranteed money on that contract. So, you know what that means, Joe? What's that? He's going to want another contract.

Speaker 18 Hey, look, now you got Quinny Williams on the books, 20 million. You got Kenny Clark on the contract, 20 million.

Speaker 18 You got a Diggy Zua on the contract, 20 million. You got a cornerback on the contract, 23 million.
You got another DB, OJO,

Speaker 18 Diggs, 19 million. You got Dak, 60 million.
CeeDe Lamb, 34 million. You got George Pinkins going to walk $34, $35 million.

Speaker 18 And you just signed those two offensive linemen.

Speaker 18 Ocho, something got to give.

Speaker 19 Something is going to give.

Speaker 19 Them goddamn trades don't do nothing.

Speaker 18 That ain't no but decoration.

Speaker 18 Listen. Come on, Joe.

Speaker 18 Don't play like that.

Speaker 19 That would Jerry just wanting to be a part of the circus. Were everybody else making moves? Well, let me make some move too.
Does it improve my defense in any way?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 19 No disrespect to Logan Wilson, but you're coming from a Bengals team that was ranked 32nd and going to a Cowboy team that's

Speaker 18 ranked 31st.

Speaker 19 Correct. You're playing the Bengals, but you're going to go to the goddamn Cowboys and make a goddamn difference.
The likelihood of that happening? Probably absolutely goddamn not.

Speaker 19 You got Kenny Clark. You got goddamn Quentin Williams, but you let Michael Parsons go,

Speaker 19 who is an impact player on your goddamn defense. Oh, you need to stop the run.
Well, you also need to goddamn sack the quarterback. You need to put pressure on the quarterback.

Speaker 19 Everybody's going to be able to throw the ball on you. We're in a passing league.

Speaker 19 You need a defensive end

Speaker 19 on the outside to be able to get to the quarterback. Stopping the run, eh, you got Kenny Clark.
Everybody's still been running on you, haven't they?

Speaker 18 Whoa, whoa, hey, everybody's still been running on you.

Speaker 19 Now

Speaker 19 you got Quentin Williams.

Speaker 19 Is it supposed to be that much of a difference? Is it supposed to be that much of a difference?

Speaker 19 You will absolutely see, probably not. But what the Cowboys need to do, if I'm that, I'm calling the players only beating only for the offense, only for the offense.

Speaker 19 And I'm going to let them know, hey, listen, in order for us to win, in order for us to win, in order for us to compete week in and week out, we have to raise our level of play.

Speaker 19 We can't have no mistakes.

Speaker 18 George Piggins, I need you to play all hell out.

Speaker 19 CeeDee Lamb, I need you to play all out. Jake Ferguson, don't fumble the ball.
Brother Williams, hold on to the ball because we don't have the type of defense where we can overcome turnovers in games.

Speaker 19 I need y'all boys locked in. We three and five with a 7% chance to make the goddamn playoffs.
I think we can do it. This is just me.
This is just me hypothetically being Dak.

Speaker 18 Listen.

Speaker 19 Let me understand, man.

Speaker 19 They ain't doing nothing on.

Speaker 18 Hey, Joe, Joe, hey, Joe, hey, you about delusional as all the goddamn fans? Ocho, oh Joe, oh Joe. You're a fan, so you expect delusion.
Slow down, slow down, turbo. Slow down, slow down.

Speaker 18 Listen, sometimes, sometimes all you need is a fresh start, man. Look, at least we got a chance to even make the playoffs, all right?

Speaker 18 You know, we got a fighting chance.

Speaker 18 Joe, let me give you, Joe, let me give you, let me give you your next six games. Oh, I seen it.

Speaker 18 At the Raiders, Eagles at home, Kansas City at home, at Lions, Vikings at home, Chargers at home.

Speaker 19 Joe, what you think about that, Joe?

Speaker 18 Hey, that's a tough slate. That's a tough slate.
But listen, I think we can handle it, man. I think we can handle it.
Hey, look, one game at a time, Ocho.

Speaker 18 Y'all looking, man,

Speaker 18 that's how y'all got to be three, five, and one, losing one game at a time.

Speaker 18 Y'all didn't lose. Hey, Ocho, they didn't lose all five of them at one time.

Speaker 18 One game at a time. Hey, look, look, hey, look.

Speaker 18 I know Uncle's feeling good on Monday. I'm glad I wasn't over here with y'all.

Speaker 18 That was embarrassing. Oh, man.

Speaker 18 Hey, look,

Speaker 18 you could just see it.

Speaker 18 I mean, your best corner got cooked. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, he got cooked. That's your best corner.

Speaker 18 That is your best defense. As a matter of fact, all things being equal, he's supposed to be your best defensive player.
Because guess what?

Speaker 18 He's the only player on your defense that's been to the Pro Bowl. So what's he supposed to be, Ocho? Your best player.
You got rid of Micah. Diggs is out.
He's supposed to be your best player.

Speaker 18 Your linebacker, your linebackers are terrible.

Speaker 18 He's out there like a a blind dog in a meeting. Hey, running around.
They know somebody got the ball. They just can't see him in Jacqueline.

Speaker 19 Hey, Uncle Joe. I mean, both of y'all know about fashion.
And you know, when you put your clothes on, you always got to have a statement piece.

Speaker 19 When you have a goddamn defense, you always have to have a statement piece. Most of the time, your statement piece, you want to be a defensive end, and you want to be,

Speaker 19 excuse me, you want to be a defensive end, and you want to be somebody on the back end. There has to be a statement piece.

Speaker 19 in either at the third level, the first level, at the second level, ah, it's a toss-up. You don't have to be a superstar

Speaker 19 unless you're a goddamn Fred Warner. Unless you're Fred Warner, you know, but the Cowboys have nothing of that magnitude.
Nothing, nothing on that defense that can change and impact the game at all.

Speaker 19 They just have, I mean no disrespect, just guys.

Speaker 18 They just have guys.

Speaker 19 Therefore,

Speaker 19 their identity is on the offensive side of the ball. And everybody on the offensive side of the ball has to bring that, you know what, up a notch.
They have to.

Speaker 19 In order to dig themselves out this hole, they have to damn near play almost mistake-free football true can't turn it over they do no hey

Speaker 18 no not when your defense is that bad we saw cincinnati they had two receivers over 100 yards quarterback that got 470 yards he got four touchdowns but if you turn it over Because your defense can't stop anybody.

Speaker 18 So you turn it over, you take points off the board, you might as well put three to seven on the board for them because your defense can't stop them. Right, because Cincinnati ain't even got a chance.

Speaker 19 I mean, wait, we got the same chance y'all got.

Speaker 18 What you talking about? Y'all got the same chances.

Speaker 19 We got the exact same chance y'all got. The exact same one.
And listen, for us, it's our offense. It's the same conversation.

Speaker 19 If Dak was a caller, the player only's meeting for the offense, Joe Flacker will go have that same conversation over here with us.

Speaker 18 Oh, so y'all can't stop nobody?

Speaker 18 But

Speaker 19 Joe, we scoring 38.40 a game.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 18 Y'all putting them up, but the teams y'all playing scoring 45.50 at night.

Speaker 19 That wasn't necessary.

Speaker 18 I didn't need you to bring that part up. I'm just telling you what we're doing.

Speaker 18 I'm just reiterating.

Speaker 18 Does he realize that y'all, y'all, in the light, y'all talking to each other? Y'all neighbors.

Speaker 18 Y'all 30, 131, the other 32. Y'all literally say that one, Joe.

Speaker 18 I don't know why, Joe. I don't know why Joe think he hots in Jenny, Ocho.
It's all good. It's all good.
Y'all neighbors, 131, 132. But look, this is Jay.

Speaker 18 I don't know,

Speaker 18 having played in the league, having been around the league, I can't honestly say, I don't know if I've ever seen a team that's this deep into the season, that's only won three games, that gives up a first-round draft pick.

Speaker 18 Normally, you're unloading those guys, Ocho, trying to get capital in so you can build like, we're not one player away. Jerry said, we're not one player away.

Speaker 18 But you trade a first-round draft pick on a...

Speaker 18 Let's just say you're 7-2-1. Let's just say you're 8-2.
Let's just say you're 6-3-1. Okay, I can kind of see that.
You're right there. You leading your division.
Bro, how,

Speaker 18 under what scenario would you give up at three, three, and at three, five, and one, would you give up a first round, a second round pick next year and a first round pick in 27?

Speaker 18 Because we

Speaker 18 living in the now, we can't, we don't know what that's going to look like. Y'all suck right now.
Yeah, but I'm saying we need help right now.

Speaker 19 We need help right now. But listen, the help you're it in ain't gonna make a difference.

Speaker 18 The help you bring it in ain't gonna move the needle.

Speaker 19 It's not going to do anything for you. It's like a class project, right? You see everybody else, everybody else helping with the class project.

Speaker 19 Everybody putting their two cents and being a part of the project. And Jerry, just so Jerry just there for the extra credit.
You know what?

Speaker 19 I'm going to just go ahead and make some moves just to do what I always do, keep the fans excited.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that should give people something to talk about.

Speaker 18 Come on, Joe. You know that.

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe. The same say we ain't got no, we ain't going no damn playoffs.
Rashid, hey, we love to have you. Hey, we're going to trade you against draft capital.
Offensive lineman, we love to have you.

Speaker 18 You saw what the Jets did. They traded their two best players.

Speaker 18 I don't.

Speaker 18 We ain't going nowhere. Ocho.
Why am I paying? Ocho.

Speaker 18 Joe, I'm not,

Speaker 18 we're not going anywhere. Right.
We got two guys that's eating up 50 plus million dollars and we're going nowhere. You know what?

Speaker 18 Let me go ahead. Right.
It's like, hey, car, I got this car that's valuable. I ain't going to drive it.
I ain't going nowhere. And somebody going to offer me top dollar for it.

Speaker 18 Come on and get it.

Speaker 19 And listen, not only do they offer top dollar, what I don't like and don't understand is how you pay a player in the offseason the kind of money they pay Sauce Gardner, right?

Speaker 19 As highly viewed as he is. I know he's had some struggles.

Speaker 19 you know so far obviously with me believing that defensive back obviously is is equivalent to playing quarterback in nfl being the most difficult position to play probably probably a little bit.

Speaker 18 Those are your most they're the most athletic guys.

Speaker 19 Oh, yeah, yeah, most definitely. But obviously, having to deal with these receivers running at you full speed, these elite fast receivers, it can be very difficult at times.

Speaker 19 So they're going to be ups and downs.

Speaker 19 But to let a player of that caliber go, and I just talked to you, you know, Uncle Joe, about having a statement piece, something that you can build around, something that you can lean on that can actually impact and change the defense.

Speaker 19 And I see sauce in that light in a sense,

Speaker 19 like the Pat Sertange, not

Speaker 19 different, different types of players. I'm you know, you know I mean

Speaker 19 yeah

Speaker 18 You do realize you live in a shack and you got a 30,000 a 30 dollar a $30,000 dividend I know what you mean.

Speaker 19 I know cuz you cuz you won a seven you want to upload it

Speaker 18 but but but

Speaker 19 I just at least I want to be able to compete at least I want to be be able to give myself a chance like what the what the Jets did today was like you know forget it we won a seven we won an eight whatever it may be you know what we getting rid of everything we having a yard sale we letting our we letting our biggest prize possessions go you know and hoping you know for the unknown i don't want i don't i don't want to deal with the unknown i don't want to deal with the unknown how many let me ask you a question with those two players they gave up how many games did they win this year she had one

Speaker 18 let me ask you a question last year with those same two players how many games did they win you know what that's a good question they they weren't very good last year either

Speaker 18 Quinny Williams with an all-pro. Saul's garden, his first two years, he was an all-pro.

Speaker 18 Yes, sir. There have been very many corners that's come in the league.
You go back and study the history of corners. I'm talking about all these corners that's in the pro football hall of fame.

Speaker 18 They've been very few that's come in the league in their first two years, been first-team all-pro.

Speaker 18 Not only was he first-team all-pro, he was defensive player, he was defensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 18 How many times have they been in the playoffs, Ocho? With those two guys, Pro Bowl players, defensive player of the year, all pro players, how many playoff appearance they got, Ocho?

Speaker 19 Yeah, they ain't got nothing, no. They ain't got none.

Speaker 18 So with that being said, I can miss the playoffs and not have to pay $60, $70 million. Yeah, you're right.
They're going to say, you know what, Ocho, and you know this, Joe. We rebuilding.

Speaker 18 We're rebuilding.

Speaker 18 We ain't right now, we're not good enough to compete.

Speaker 18 So, you know what? Fuck it. We don't really want to trade Saul's.
Y'all going to give us two first-rounders?

Speaker 18 So if it takes two first-rounders to get Saul's Gardner, well, you want Miles Garrett, you got to give up four first-rounders. Three.

Speaker 18 I'm just saying, Ocho. Saul's Gardner went for two first-rounders and a player.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 That man right there, uh miles garrett is a defensive player of the year candidate every effing year yeah

Speaker 18 he's gonna get a he's gonna have another year with at least 14 sacks

Speaker 18 which he's done for the last five six years it's crazy work

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 like i said if i'm miles i and i know miles is loyal miles you got your money man say bro you want to go somewhere and get traded quinny will i i commend quinny quinny say man i it losing just it just it just tough man yeah

Speaker 18 Oh, Joe, he said, hey, the money, yeah, I'm getting paid, but I'm a competitor, man.

Speaker 19 You ain't got to tell me, Uncle I had to deal with that for years, huh?

Speaker 18 You hear me?

Speaker 18 Hey, listen, hey, I had to deal with that for years.

Speaker 18 I'll take it off for Jojo. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. I had to deal with it for years.
I think I've had maybe

Speaker 19 one or two winner seasons. So to be able to deal with that, you know, I had to make it fun, Joe.
I had to make it fun to come to work. I had to make Sundays fun.

Speaker 19 I had to give the fans a reason or the people watching a reason to, why would we even tune into them? Well, hell, I got to see what this, I got to see what this motherfucker finna do today.

Speaker 19 Because I want to do something. Hey, Joe, Joe, Uncle, I was going to do something.
I had to make that environment fun for everyone else.

Speaker 18 No, you need to make it voice.

Speaker 18 Hey, Ocho.

Speaker 18 You got to, you go home and think about, man, what about if I score a touchdown this week? What about you? Hey, but

Speaker 18 we losing.

Speaker 18 But I'm saying, you know, that was fun for you to give the people something to come that they came to pay good money to see. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 Man, what Ocho gonna do? man i know ochro gonna act a fool bad please let ocho get in the end zone so he could act a fool

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Speaker 18 The Codes Trade, Coles Trade for Saul's Gardner. The Jets get Adonna,

Speaker 18 Adonna Mitchell. 2026.

Speaker 18 Second round pick. I think it's no, it's the first.
Two first, because they gave it two first. That's quinny.
A 2026 first-round pick and a 2027 first-round pick.

Speaker 18 So two ones and a player to get Saul's Gardner. In July, they signed Saul's Gardner to the highest contract ever for deep for a cornerback.

Speaker 18 Four years, $120 million, $30.1 million per year, and they traded.

Speaker 18 What's that about, though? Y'all got to help me on this one. I think it's a combination.
We're not winning.

Speaker 18 We can't justify paying a corner that is not, they don't believe he's playing to the level that he played his first two years when he was a first-team all-pro, right? And that plus we're losing.

Speaker 18 How can we justify paying that kind of money, Joe and Ocho, and we lose it? Hey, look, sometimes it's the environment, though. Y'all know this.

Speaker 18 Yeah, because I saw Sam Darling get up out of there and

Speaker 18 look like a competent quarterback. He's in the MVP discussion.

Speaker 18 Oh, yes, you're right. And it's the environment.
And it starts with, unfortunately, Woody,

Speaker 18 it's you.

Speaker 18 I'm just saying,

Speaker 18 guys, guys look competent. And

Speaker 18 I think sometimes it's quick to give up. I mean, they give up on a young.
Ain't no patience no more now.

Speaker 18 We're in a society now that

Speaker 18 we want what we want because we can get it. I can order something in Amazon Prime.
They will get that thing a day.

Speaker 18 I say, Shelly, I need some lotion. Man, hey, they'd have took a picture and said it.
Damn, that's a that's my front door. That'll drop it off, Ocho.

Speaker 19 Yeah,

Speaker 18 you want something, you want Uber Eats or grow up, or whatever, how they do it now, Ocho. Guess what? You can get it.
I ain't got to leave how I get everything I want right there.

Speaker 18 So that's the kind of that's what football is, that's what football and sports have turned into. They used to give you time to develop, but the money has gotten so great.

Speaker 19 You ain't got no time.

Speaker 18 I can't.

Speaker 18 Hey,

Speaker 19 you you know hey joe what's up i need a return on my investment

Speaker 19 expeditiously

Speaker 18 they want to return on huh

Speaker 18 hey

Speaker 18 right away

Speaker 19 right away that that's another reason why this is another reason why especially when players get paid big for i'm speaking for the receiver position in general for players that are struggling especially this year i need y'all boys i know y'all gonna see this i need y'all boys to come on down here and see see your boy.

Speaker 19 All I need is for a week. I need you for a week.
If you want to stay longer, I can put you up. I can feed you.

Speaker 18 You know, I can give you

Speaker 19 a stipend. Is that what you call it, right?

Speaker 18 No, per diem.

Speaker 19 Per diem. I give you a per diem.

Speaker 18 Stipend, per diem, yes.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so you'll be able to eat.

Speaker 19 But I want to help you with your craft. I want to help you.
This is for all my NFL receivers.

Speaker 19 If you're struggling, if you're not understanding why you're not getting the ball, why you're not an intricate part of the offense, please, I beg of you, come on down here with your boy.

Speaker 19 Give me a week or give me a month. I just want to work on your game.

Speaker 19 You know, I want you to be able to come back and be able to make a difference, you know, so your officer coordinator didn't have to worry about you.

Speaker 19 He can put you in positions and all you got to do is let your play do the talking. But anyway, let's go.
Back on charge.

Speaker 18 Are you going to send their quarterbacks down to Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

Speaker 19 No, no, but see, that's the thing, huh? That's the thing.

Speaker 19 When you get certain receivers right and you have a certain skill set, at times, at times, because it is NFL, you would love to have a receiver, but the person playing quarterback doesn't matter because you can always get open because you can always get open but if he can't get me the ball what i supposed to do hey listen well whoever's at the helm shouldn't be shouldn't be shouldn't be quarterback

Speaker 18 would he would he rather have a sam darno back or jj mccarthy

Speaker 19 but see when it comes to jetta he's so calm he's so calm when he talk he's so politically correct man talk your shit it don't matter who playing quarterback call or play for me put me inside put me in motion put me on the outside leave me there i'm gonna get open he's one of the few that can get open now i understand what you you're what saying, but when you think about when DeAndre Hopkins with the Houston Texans, right?

Speaker 19 Yeah, you think about the level of talent, the level of skill, the DNA, and makeup of a Justin Jefferson. I mean,

Speaker 19 night and day, nothing wrong with D-Hop, but I'm just saying, we talk about a dude that's on a historic run.

Speaker 18 So, to me,

Speaker 19 to me, an individual like that, man,

Speaker 18 man,

Speaker 19 put anybody out there at quarterback.

Speaker 19 Just give me the ball, put the ball in the goddamn area, put it in the vicinity where I can reach out and touch it i got it yeah they're receiving this nfl joe yeah make a bad quarterback look good

Speaker 19 with good separation if he can create good separation there there are a few receivers i'm talking about a handful yeah a handful can make bad quarterback play look good just put the ball in the area that's it i'll take care of the rest yeah

Speaker 18 you should get me the ball

Speaker 18 Just give me the ball. Give me an opportunity that I ain't got to jump up over seven feet.

Speaker 18 I ain't got to drop 10 feet in the air and do all that other stuff and do a pirouette to come down with the ball. Just get just put the ball in my hand.
Give me an opportunity.

Speaker 18 If I'm going left, just leave me.

Speaker 18 If I'm going right, just leave me. Just give, I just want an opportunity.

Speaker 18 But man, you skipping the ball to me like we're skipping rocks on the water at a pond.

Speaker 18 But that ain't gonna work.

Speaker 18 That ain't gonna work for me.

Speaker 18 But I think that has a lot to do with it.

Speaker 18 At one and seven, Ocho, we ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 we're not.

Speaker 18 And if we're not going anywhere, it's just hard to justify,

Speaker 18 you know,

Speaker 18 paying the kind of money that these guys are commanding.

Speaker 18 You know what?

Speaker 18 I mean, they gave, I mean, and plus, oh Joe, Indy Blue made him an offer they couldn't refuse. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 19 Who won? But you know what, when I think about the foreseeable future, I like what the Colts are doing because the Colts is,

Speaker 18 man, what the hell? The Colts are saying, you know what?

Speaker 19 We all in.

Speaker 18 Yeah, we are right now. We are all in.

Speaker 19 This is our chance. We have a chance to do it.
So I don't know poker, but I understand what putting all your chips in is.

Speaker 18 And that's what the Colts are doing. We have a chance.

Speaker 19 We have opportunity. We found the quarterback of our future.

Speaker 19 And right now, we're playing really well.

Speaker 19 We actually have a goddamn chance to compete for Lombardi. No matter what people may think in general, we just do.

Speaker 18 So,

Speaker 18 where does this trade put end it? Are they at the top of the food chain?

Speaker 19 In AFC? Absolutely. Yeah.
Absolutely. Now,

Speaker 19 offensively, defensively,

Speaker 19 they become really good. You got Kenny Moore, you got Bynum.
Now you add

Speaker 19 Sauce Gardner. When Tadavius Ward comes back, man, hell, that could almost be like a no-fly zone.
Now it looks like that on paper. Now, can they play like that as a unit?

Speaker 18 Yeah. They can play like that unit, huh? They got Buck, Brett.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot about

Speaker 18 double nine. He nice.
Hey, look, the Coach locked in. They said they going for it.
This year, they waiting. Yeah.
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 18 Ballard A.

Speaker 18 Eve, like, hey, this is good. This is a good opportunity that we're going to have.
We're 72. We're sitting at top of the AFC.

Speaker 18 You know, they've beaten Denver. They beat Denver on a walk off.

Speaker 18 I mean, think about it.

Speaker 18 They got sacked six times. They had six turnovers and still only lost by seven.

Speaker 18 So now, what happens if they only have three three turnovers? What happens if they don't have any turnovers? They deal with the way they can run the football and the skill positions they have.

Speaker 18 Now, the right tackle, Brayden Smith, got his ass handed to it. Well, the whole offensive line had got their ass handed to it.
Because TJ Watt was kicking ass.

Speaker 18 High Smith was defensive player, AFC defensive player of the week. So obviously he did his job.

Speaker 18 From sacking him, from forced fumbles, from picking him off,

Speaker 18 they did a hell of a job on that offense.

Speaker 18 And now, what teams are going to try to do, and it's a lot easier said than done, let us neutralize Jonathan Taylor, and we're going to make Daniel Jones beat us.

Speaker 18 That was Pittsburgh's philosophy. Stop Jonathan Taylor, make Daniel Jones beat you.
Now, if you can't stop JT, now they're going to play action.

Speaker 18 It's going to be hard to beat them.

Speaker 18 So I don't have a problem with what Andy did.

Speaker 18 But they gave up a steep price to get soft.

Speaker 18 Two first-rounders, Joe, and a player.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And you see, Ocho, Mitchell really hadn't, since he fumbled that ball at the Rams in the goal line, he had that long touchdown, Ocho, and he fumbled, remember?

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Hey. Had him in a lost and found.
Hey, hey, Arkan, Ocho, but they was, the coach, you know, they needed help with that DB position, right?

Speaker 18 Well,

Speaker 18 Ward was in concussion protocol. He was out there warming up, Joe, and he, you know, he was backpelling, he turned and run, and he ran smack dab into

Speaker 18 a player in warm-ups. Wow.
So he was a pregame. So it wasn't warm-up like we on the field and we're in our uniform.
So he collided heads and he ain't got no helmet on. So

Speaker 18 he's in protocol. They don't know when he's coming out.
So now you pair him with

Speaker 18 him in sauce. Now, I don't know who's going to play the slot.
Maybe Bynum goes to the slot. I think they're cleaning for another

Speaker 18 player, too.

Speaker 19 Kenny Moore in the slot, huh?

Speaker 18 Or the L or the nickel.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 18 they got Frank.

Speaker 18 Zion Franklin.

Speaker 18 They got a nice squad.

Speaker 19 Matter of fact, you know what? It's so funny. You understand who's making the calls over there with the Colts now?

Speaker 18 Ballard.

Speaker 19 Yeah, well, I think Jerry needs to take some notes because I see somebody that's doing a much better job than he is.

Speaker 19 What you say about that, Joe?

Speaker 18 Hey, you got to chill, man.

Speaker 19 I'm not chilling. I'm just saying.

Speaker 19 I'm just saying, we're seeing someone. We're seeing someone.
You know, rest in peace to the great Mr. Ursay and someone actually taking over and doing what AGM is supposed to do.

Speaker 19 You know?

Speaker 19 I mean, that's just me. I'm just saying.
I mean, I can't see.

Speaker 18 The daughters run the team now. But you can see they stay out the way.
They say, hey, you do what you do. I'm just going to stay.
I'm going to stay down here.

Speaker 18 I'm going to have my head set on.

Speaker 18 I just want to know when I hear a play and it don't go right, who eff'd up?

Speaker 18 Was it the quarterback? Was it offensive line? Did the receiver not run the right route? Did the black, was the back supposed to pick up? I just need to know.

Speaker 18 Because a lot of times, you know, you look at a play like, oh, man, what happened?

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Speaker 18 Oh, we'll get back to that in a second. Now, joining us is Ravens tied in, drafted in the fourth round out of Coastal Carolina, the Chanticleers.

Speaker 18 Here he is, Isaiah Likely.

Speaker 25 What's y'all?

Speaker 18 What's happening what's up what's up

Speaker 25 man just chilling man

Speaker 18 all right man y'all went down uh y'all went down took care of business like you guys were supposed to you beat the bears uh uh with the with hunt and then you can you get uh lamar comes back for the dolphins and this is how i'm thinking this is what you thought you guys were gonna look like when you came into the season not not the previous six games but this is how we're supposed to play nah for sure and i mean i feel like that was just you know just everybody just getting a reset after the bye week.

Speaker 25 I mean, everybody knew, you know, back against the wall, going into the bye week, what we put ourselves into.

Speaker 25 So coming out of the bye week, we had to just tell everybody, you know, it's a new season and let's just be who we are.

Speaker 18 I want to listen. I'm looking at you and there are probably

Speaker 18 25, 26, maybe even 27 other teams. You're going to get the lines shift.
You're going to start. Oh, ain't no two tight.
Ain't no eight. Ain't no this, ain't no that.

Speaker 18 You're going to be catching 65, 70, 80 balls. You're gonna be a big part of the offense.

Speaker 18 But for you and Mark Andrews, you guys split a lot. And a lot of times you guys do play a lot of double tight end sets.
But how have you been able to

Speaker 18 say, you know what? I'm going to sacrifice. This is where I am right now.
This is the best situation that I'm in right now.

Speaker 18 Let me make the most of it and not let your mind think, man, I see what Laporte is doing. I see what Hawkinson is doing.
I see what them guys doing. I can do do that.

Speaker 25 For sure. I mean, that's really just, you know, just always just remaining where your feet are and understand that, you know, God don't put you in no moment, but where your feet are right now.

Speaker 25 And I feel like just, you know, the circumstance I was, you know, just drafted where I was, you know, I promised EDC, you know, when he took me, like all the other 31 teams that passed up on me, they're going to regret playing me time in and time out.

Speaker 25 You know, and that was just, you know, the model I had, my whole. you know, rookie contract.

Speaker 25 And now just getting into, you know, the opportunity that I have now is just really just being that chess piece in the offense, whether I'm out wide, in the slot, in the backfield, on the line, and being able to just run all the sets that we have at the tight ends.

Speaker 19 Hey, that's dope. I mean, you guys, you know, you guys have a long way to clown yourselves out of a hole, but if you can do it, you guys have the offense to do it,

Speaker 19 especially with Lamar Jackson coming, you know, coming back and you playing well, likely playing well. And a healthy Lamar gives you a chance to do the unthinkable.

Speaker 19 Regardless of what your record may be, and I look at some of the games you have coming up. I mean, honestly, looking at it,

Speaker 19 you got a nice slate of games, and you can win most of them. I think the most, maybe the most difficult game would probably be the Vikings.
The Browns is winnable. The Jets is winnable.

Speaker 19 Y'all probably gonna lose to the Bangles.

Speaker 18 The Bringles guaranteed win.

Speaker 19 Y'all probably gonna lose.

Speaker 18 Hey, I put all my money. Hey, yo.
Hey, pull the money.

Speaker 25 I just want you at that one.

Speaker 25 All the rest of these ones you talk about. I just want you at that Cincinnati game.
I want you there.

Speaker 19 I want you there. Okay.
Hey, say less.

Speaker 19 I'm going to gonna come i'm gonna come but but but honestly you know the when it outside of the division you know you guys could probably run the table i think with the vikings being the most difficult game for you guys to play you know uh this upcoming sunday outside of that listen even as a bangle fan i i know a great team when i see one you know i know you guys have had your woes and your struggles on defense but your identity has always been your offense and what lamar jackson is doing what you're doing what mark andrews is doing the running game baby zay so i mean

Speaker 19 kudos you guys and i wish you you guys luck climbing out that hole.

Speaker 18 But I just know when it comes to November 27th, it ain't gonna come up.

Speaker 25 I just want you there. I just want you there.

Speaker 18 That's a Sunday night game. I don't know why they keep putting them sorry.

Speaker 18 What you mean? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, slow down. You talk about sorry, sorry.

Speaker 19 We had an 80-year-old quarterback come in and fill in for Joe Burrow, and he throw it for $700,000 a game.

Speaker 18 What you mean, sorry, and you still lose it. It's not about losing, it's about using

Speaker 18 us. It's about us.

Speaker 19 Listen, we want to win, but he gives us a chance to compete in these games. And we're scoring enough points.
It just, we got to get our defense to come around.

Speaker 18 That's the only problem. Man, go ahead and ask the question, Joe.
Right, right. Hey, hey, hey, hey, likely.
Hey,

Speaker 18 you know, we talk about the grind, bro.

Speaker 18 Probably, what's the hardest part of

Speaker 18 being a pro that you didn't expect?

Speaker 25 I really just say,

Speaker 25 you know, after you start making a couple plays, it's really just like getting really like put into that limelight.

Speaker 25 Like, everybody understands, like, when you, especially for me, coming from like a G5 school where it's like, you know, you, you making plays and everything, you know, you kind of that guy on campus, but when you get into that big league, it's like, dang.

Speaker 25 And then when you start making plays at the big league, it's like, okay, you got to watch what you say here, or you got to take pictures everywhere, here, here, here. People start knowing your name.

Speaker 25 People start knowing like who you are around.

Speaker 25 And then it's like, oh, yeah. You could say like a little teeny thing the wrong way and everybody go and spin it.

Speaker 25 and and like you just like you want to say something so i correct yourself but it's like damn bro i don't want to keep acting like i'm trying to egg on a situation i don't really care for and i feel like that's like the biggest thing probably since i got into pros where it's like you got to watch what what you say or like what you do a little a little extra

Speaker 18 definitely it's it's it's a lot different nowadays than when when i played in the nba uncan ocho played in the nfl because we ain't have all this social media nowadays

Speaker 18 you get it y'all exposed y'all are exposed to so much bro like you know i can i can understand how you know sometimes words may get twisted or you know it just it's just the little things like any little thing you do they're gonna scrutinize it and it's just kind of the the times we living in you know

Speaker 18 yeah

Speaker 18 like man

Speaker 18 having been a raven and they have that sign up say play like a raven you know when you come in that building there's an expectation expectation because of the greatness that has walked the halls of those of that building.

Speaker 18 You got an Ed Reed, you got a Ray Lewis, you got a J.O. you got a Suggs, you got an Ed Reed, you got Yandy, you got greatness that have played and permeated.
A lot of it's on the defensive side.

Speaker 18 They don't hold a lot of offensive games.

Speaker 18 You got J-Lou.

Speaker 18 Basically, you got J-Lou over Jamal Lewis

Speaker 18 and Jonathan Ogden. But you know when you come into that building, having talked to Ozzy, having talked to Eric, of what they expect from you and what they expect once you get into that building.

Speaker 18 Talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 18 That when they drafted you and you get around and the players come back, the Ravens do a great job of bringing their old timer, those players that played, that made that organization great.

Speaker 18 They do a great job of bringing them back. And the guys do a great job of communicating of like, hey, bro, hey, we have expectations.
Win. Play hard.
Play physical. Play tough.

Speaker 18 Talk to us a little bit about that and you being

Speaker 25 for sure.

Speaker 25 And I feel like, you know, everybody in the league understands like when you play the ravens their mantra is play like a raven that's just because you know how physical how disciplined and how hard they're gonna play snap in snap out but i feel like the first like

Speaker 25 really wake up i had was rookie minicamp on my rookie year where it was like we got in there and they was already preaching play like a raven you you run around you I say like Ricky Minicam, you get so many plays at one time, you just try not to mess up.

Speaker 25 So you over here kind of like trying to go 60%, trying to see like on the other side, they run the right concept, trying to see and like the first thing that they told us was like if you wrong fly around and i was like hey whoa hold on like hold on they were like nah like you wrong we'll we'll clean it up later play physical play fast and like we'll we'll we'll clean the uh little details later so i'll say like you know, just going into that mindset of understanding that like now, like, when I'm in the building, you was expected to know your job and you expected to win games and win your 111.

Speaker 25 I feel like that's just the biggest thing that they tell you while you're running in the building is when you're 111. And that's everybody's mantra while you're in the building.

Speaker 25 Like, don't let your player make the play.

Speaker 25 Don't allow yourself to get stopped by the player in front of you.

Speaker 18 Man, you got, I mean, look, Coastal Carolina, a lot of people don't know about the Chanticlears, but you had Josh Norman went to Coastal Carolina, Melissa Jefferson Wooden,

Speaker 18 Coastal Carolina.

Speaker 18 Y'all got some little stay out coming out of Coastal?

Speaker 18 Oh, hold on.

Speaker 19 Don't we know

Speaker 19 a fellow receiver that played with me in Cincinnati, Jerome Simpson?

Speaker 18 You know what Jerome Simpson?

Speaker 19 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Oh, he did. Yeah, that was the one that did the same thing.

Speaker 18 So in the end zone, yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, McDogg, when Dog went there, yeah.

Speaker 18 Man, y'all put some, hey, y'all put some players.

Speaker 25 Man, I'm trying to tell, bro.

Speaker 25 When I tell you, my junior year, 2020, COVID, that's probably like when we started, really like putting the world on notice that like a G5 team could really come up in here.

Speaker 25 Obviously, Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but like we was like, one of those teams that beat, we beat BYU that year. We had a good game at state.
We beat at state that year. And

Speaker 25 we started picking up games, picking up steam. I mean, we had a great quarterback and Grayson McCall.
We had a great defense.

Speaker 25 We got about two other players in the league right now that's playing currently, C.J. Brewer and Teron Jackson on teams.

Speaker 25 And I feel like, you know, just that mantra that we had, like, always understand that we're going to be the underdogs and what you going to do about it.

Speaker 25 And from that aspect, it was just like every game was going to be. you know, a dog fight.
And we wasn't expected to win a lot of games.

Speaker 25 So just going in there and showing the world that like you're going to have have to put us above somebody at some point

Speaker 18 right

Speaker 18 what's it like playing with lamar having played with a great quarterback a guy just in the pro football hall of fame do you ever just get in awe and just

Speaker 25 hey i'm not gonna lie this sometimes you'll like my coaches tell me on film especially at like with my rookie year second year where i was like

Speaker 25 You don't really understand the scramble part, like the two-play quarterbacks. Sometimes you'll get lost watching Lamar back there, you know, get out of sacks and get out of situations.

Speaker 25 And he yelling at you, you, like trying to move you around because he's trying to make time.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 25 I say like a big instance was the Cincinnati, like my Cincinnati touchdown where he,

Speaker 25 where he stiff armed Sam Hubbard, like he had from a snap. Yeah.
Yeah. Like a lot of people don't know.
Like he's the one yelling at me, pointing.

Speaker 25 Like before he threw the touchdown, he like yelling at me, trying to tell me go to the other side. I'm just in the back of the end zone tired.
Because we in tempo offense.

Speaker 25 I'm just in the back of the end zone, just throwing my hand up, like, hey, bro, I don't feel like moving. Just throw it right here, bro.
And he like screaming, like, no, bro.

Speaker 25 Like, I did all this work you gonna move bro like move go the other way yeah so like i say like that it's just like you know it's crazy because you'll see him do it in practice and you'll be like man like ain't no way like he just gets out here on sundays and do the same thing but like at this point it's just like

Speaker 25 man he gonna do it so you might as well get open

Speaker 19 yeah hey hey the funny thing about it i l is is being down here in miami you know being able to watch Lamar Jackson back in the day and see what he's doing in the NFL and and it to look exactly like it did in high school when he was when he was at Boyden Beach.

Speaker 19 I used to go I used to go watch him play all the time because you know you hear the names about the star players down here in high school and the first thing you want to do is man let me go see what all this talk is about

Speaker 19 and bro he was everything back then and he's still everything he was he was advertised to be you know it's especially now so to be able to see what he's doing right now man is it's unbelievable um

Speaker 19 is it i mean it's dope it's dope And again, for you guys, you guys have a great chance.

Speaker 19 Y'all could have, y'all could have had one game, one,

Speaker 19 y'all could have been, y'all could have been a goddamn chess.

Speaker 18 I'm not going to say that. Y'all could have been a goddamn chess.

Speaker 19 And if Lamar Jackson is coming back and he's healthy, y'all got a goddamn chance. That's just how good he is.
That's just how much of an impact player he is. So I'm excited for y'all.

Speaker 19 I don't want y'all to beat us, but outside of that, I wish I could.

Speaker 18 We're going to beat y'all. Right.

Speaker 18 We going to beat y'all. We, you a Bronco.
You, you are a Bronco. First of of all, you are all I know is that I got

Speaker 18 piece of that first

Speaker 18 in the building.

Speaker 19 Yeah, hey, did you hear what you said? You are a piece.

Speaker 18 You were there for a small time. It was I was there for two years.
Oh, choke.

Speaker 19 That wasn'thing but a one-night stand. Like, come on, man.

Speaker 25 Also, I thought, I thought.

Speaker 18 Hold on. There was a lot made last week.
All teams have gaming. All teams have ping pong pool tables.
They play cards. They play madness.
They play card.

Speaker 18 And all of a sudden, you go to the game room, ain't ish up. Ain't no pool table, ain't no ping-pong table, ain't no video games.
So you're like, man,

Speaker 18 man, where I gave that, where that ping-pong table, what that pool table, who took that itch out of there? Oh, yeah, good.

Speaker 25 Nah, that's a crazy story because what's crazy is we all play like pig on the little basketball hoop before practice just to like get

Speaker 25 just to get chemistry going, just everybody get, you know, legs moving, everybody getting talking around and then like

Speaker 25 l i'll say like one thing about l's he don't shy away from nothing so like he was like hey we lose this game ain't nothing gonna be in here i might turn the wi-fi off like the wi-fi might be cut because you know the ipad you can use the ipad without the wi-fi as long as you're in that building so he was like hey i i'm telling y'all so we had ended up you know falling short to kc sure enough everything out of there ain't nothing in there wi-fi still on though but he was like yeah we came up in and he's like like, yeah, like, I wasn't playing.

Speaker 25 Ain't nothing in here. We're going to start winning a couple.
We're going to win some games and I'll think about it. He didn't even say he's going to get back.
He said, I'll think about it.

Speaker 25 I'll let y'all know.

Speaker 18 Damn.

Speaker 25 That's the type of, yeah, that's the type of thing.

Speaker 18 Winning is fun. Losing ain't no fun.
So what the hell you playing for?

Speaker 18 What you excited about? Nah, hell nah.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 L Jack knows that.

Speaker 18 The ultimate goal for y'all is to win a Super Bowl, bro. Yeah.
This Super Bowl of bust. So he knows distractions need to be limited.
So

Speaker 18 I commend him on that. That was big time.
Y'all got to lock in. So, hey, look,

Speaker 18 if y'all lose a couple more games now, he probably going to pick up high files. So y'all better get it.

Speaker 25 We ain't got no more to give.

Speaker 25 Hey, everybody ain't got theirs.

Speaker 25 That's all we had to give. Hey.

Speaker 18 Tell us about the 17th annual Jimmy's famous Seafood Talks for Today Toys for Talk Gala, your host.

Speaker 25 And, you know, just to give back to the kids, I mean, it's always, you know, a blessing to be in the position you are to, you know, have younger kids look up to you like a superhero.

Speaker 25 I mean, I remember when I was younger, the ultimate goal was to, you know, get to where I am now.

Speaker 25 So, you know, seeing kids, you know, that might not have it, you know, might be looking forward to it next year, just being able to, you know, have, be able to give it to them this year, be able to look in their eyes, take pictures, sign autographs, be able to spend a little time with them, you know, just to make that Christmas.

Speaker 25 Cause I remember, you know, some.

Speaker 25 some Christmases where you didn't get everything you wanted, but if I can give a kid, you know, something, you know, a smile, or something, or oh my god, there's a Ravens player.

Speaker 25 I mean, that's that's just a blessing in disguise for real.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah, everything you wanted, hell, there's so Christmas, you ain't anything you wanted, man.

Speaker 18 Hey, look at who took over my who took over to my Halloween party. Did y'all do a Halloween party anymore?

Speaker 25 Uh, what I record was, uh, what I record is.

Speaker 18 Oh,

Speaker 25 I'm trying to tell you,

Speaker 25 we had we had last year, though. Hey,

Speaker 18 hey, ain't nothing to say, ain't nothing to to celebrate over there. So, who hosted the Halloween party?

Speaker 25 Lamar?

Speaker 25 Last year. Hey, who it was last year?

Speaker 25 I want to say Bae and another vet hosted it last year. It was lit, though.
But this year, yeah, there wasn't even no.

Speaker 18 After that, it wasn't even talk about it this year,

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 I left it to them, and they kept it going. And now y'all don't cut, man.
Hey, look at like you got to get that thing.

Speaker 18 Y'all got to get that thing crumbled.

Speaker 19 Hey, they need to worry about November 20th.

Speaker 18 First of all, y'all are looking.

Speaker 18 Hey, hey, Lamar, tell your family don't even gotta make no turkey because y'all playing the turkey on the 27th. Them bugs.

Speaker 18 All right.

Speaker 18 Everybody, man, ain't nobody scared of y'all. Oh, Joe.
Hey, what you talking about? He knows that.

Speaker 19 Hey, hey, listen. Hey, Joe, hey, listen.
This is a past happy league, right? Any team that's that's putting up 500 points,

Speaker 19 500 yards a game offensively, there's a reason to be scared there's a reason

Speaker 18 ran for two damn near 300 yards on y'all derrick henry might set the nfl record lamar might have the most rushing yards by a quarterback they might rough a 500 on y'all nah i don't likely gonna have three touchdowns

Speaker 18 i guarantee i got it if the raven if the ravens don't score at least 40 points on y'all I might come do the I might I ain't no telling what I'm liable to do you know I tell you what I'll tell you what make it light on yourself bet something

Speaker 18 you ain't got no I I ain't. Hold up.
Bet something. Did we talk about betting our own money?

Speaker 18 You owe Joe $100. Owe me $5,900.

Speaker 18 Hold up, hold up.

Speaker 18 My $100 and went up to two, man. I mean,

Speaker 18 we in a whole new season. That man, that was last season, bro.
Like, we're in a new season. It's interesting on this.
Oh, Joe. It's interest, baby.

Speaker 18 Hey, that's how I feel. We're going to get you.

Speaker 18 Like, we're going to get you out of this one. What do you guys need to do? You know, hey, look, the regular season, get yourself back into playoff contention and the big winter division.

Speaker 18 That's fine and good. But you know how you guys measure.

Speaker 18 When you got that guy that's a two-time league MVP, when you got arguably one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL currently playing, and you have what you have offensively with King Henry got over 12,000 yards rushing and he got over 100 touchdowns.

Speaker 18 You know you measure by what you do in the postseason. What is it going to take for the Ravens to get to another

Speaker 18 AFC championship and get to that Super Bowl? Because ultimately, that's how Lamar is going to be measured.

Speaker 18 He's got all the individual. He's been voted the number one player by the players.
He's been the all-pro. He's been an MVP.
He has all the accolades.

Speaker 18 He knows ultimately that's how he's going to be measured.

Speaker 25 Sure. And I'll say the first thing that we all talk about is just stop being ourselves.
I mean, that's just, you know, the one thing.

Speaker 25 that I can say off the top of my head that since I've been on the team, that's just what we've been doing.

Speaker 25 And I say whether it's offense, just turning the ball over, mental mistakes, mental errors, you know, just

Speaker 25 stuff you can control and allowing the other team to just play their best game against our best game and see how that go rather than us, you know, playing ourselves and playing the other team and then trying to make miracles happen.

Speaker 25 And I feel like that's just, you know, been the mantra last couple of years where it's just like, I feel like if we play, you know, our style of game, our style of game, play, you know, mistake-free football, and then just letting all of our talents, you know, offense and defense shine.

Speaker 25 I feel like there ain't a team in the NFL that can play with us. So, it's just, you know, just always just harping on the little things and harping on, just stop being ourselves in the post-game.

Speaker 18 Well, man, thanks for joining us tonight, like

Speaker 18 congratulations on everything. Continue success.
Stay healthy. Yes, sir.
Want you to stay a raven, but hey,

Speaker 18 don't get your body going out. You know, 100K season out there, but he's tight in.
They catch an 80, 90, 100 ball tonight. And you like, shh.

Speaker 25 We good, though.

Speaker 18 bad continued success, man. Stay healthy, man.
Hey, y'all win that. Hey, please, if y'all don't do that, but here's what y'all got them.

Speaker 18 I'm trying to tell.

Speaker 25 Come to the game, too. If Ocho is gonna be out there popping it, come come out to the game, huh?

Speaker 18 It's in Cincinnati, right? No, it's in Baltimore. No, I think

Speaker 25 whatever game, whatever game, prime time, you and you in the bank, Ocho.

Speaker 19 All right, all right. I'll be there.
And you give me a give me a sideline pen.

Speaker 25 I want y'all. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I just, hey, listen, I want to roam the sidelines at M ⁇ T Bank. I used to own that stadium.

Speaker 18 You ain't own that.

Speaker 18 Hey, I used to own that stadium.

Speaker 18 Hey, that was before.

Speaker 18 That was after. That was after I left.
Because Cincinnati ain't run nothing.

Speaker 18 They ain't run nothing but their mouth.

Speaker 18 Like, appreciate it, man. Congratulations on all the success.
Stay healthy, man. We'll see you down the road.

Speaker 18 All right, man. All right, man.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 18 Isaiah likely joining joining us uh oh joe what's that oh that game um that game is uh at m and t oh it is yeah okay okay okay okay they play y'all play them on the 14th in cincinnati oh november dad we playing back to back uh oh oh cho december okay okay okay okay okay okay how they gonna play them on the 14th and play them on the 27th you play them on the 27th of November and then you play them on the 14th of December.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I was just looking at the schedule, too.

Speaker 18 You took ass whipping on both of them, but don't worry about it.

Speaker 18 Oh, Ocho, Joe, hours after the Colts acquired Sauce Gardner, the team announced that Gardner would continue to wear his number one with his new team. Josh Downs were number two.

Speaker 18 His brother, Caleb, plays for Ohio State. He also wears that number.
The wide receiver said it was just a little small bit of negotiating between the sides. The jersey number handoff.

Speaker 18 Yeah, just a little friendly transaction, man. Downs said, new teammate wanted to make it easy on him.
We appreciate him being here. I know he's been number one, and I know that number means a lot.

Speaker 18 Ocho, Joe, how much do you think Sauce had to pay to get that number?

Speaker 19 I mean, hey, hey, hey, for one, Joe. I mean, listen, we

Speaker 19 talk about Sauce Gardner, huh? You hear me? We talk about a number that resonates with the individual with the New York Jets.

Speaker 18 50K at least.

Speaker 18 Nah, he ain't had 50K at least. Nah, heck.

Speaker 19 If I'm Josh Downs, I ain't really doing him like that. I'm not doing just off of respecting who you, you know, you that boy.
Yeah, this ain't no just though, anybody.

Speaker 19 Nah, if it just knows it's something, it's old regular.

Speaker 18 50K.

Speaker 19 Okay, now we talking.

Speaker 18 You think y'all think, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 19 Yeah, 50K with the kind of money we're making, Joe?

Speaker 19 The kind of money we making. It's okay.

Speaker 18 50K ain't bad.

Speaker 19 Hey, you hit me here. 50K ain't bad.
That's a good number. Now,

Speaker 19 I can go with that.

Speaker 18 50K, that's a lot, man. Listen, I know.

Speaker 18 Listen, I know cats in the NBA, man, who had, who,

Speaker 18 you know, exchanged numbers and they may pay like 10, 15K, but it wasn't no 25, 30, 20. yeah.
Oh, yeah, it's coming.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 19 That's a good number, Joe.

Speaker 18 We got to get sauce on here to see and see what that transaction was. I don't think he paid no 50K now.
Hey, he don't want a number then.

Speaker 19 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 18 because you like jokes in the NFL, the way it works now, if you change numbers and you don't give the NFL a whole offseason to get all that, because they'll stop you. You got to pay for NFL.

Speaker 18 You have to pay for all the number two ones that got your name on the back of them that's been printed yeah

Speaker 18 but look but but what if downs was just being a great teammate yeah he took he probably he took a little you know he took he took a payment from it but maybe he just wanted to give sauce that 50k that's being a great teammate if i was an asshole it cost you 150.

Speaker 19 hey i'm i'm gonna ask him

Speaker 19 hey hey i'm i'm i'm i'm curious that's that's a good question especially today today today's day and age when i think about the 50k i remember hell when i went to uh when I went to the goddamn Patriots to get 85, I had to pay Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 18 What you paying?

Speaker 19 I had to pay, oh, number 25. It was number 25,000.

Speaker 18 You know what I mean?

Speaker 18 Think about how long ago that's been, Joe.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that was, oh, that was, that was 15 years ago, Joe. Yeah.
And Aaron was like, what I'm saying is.

Speaker 18 Aaron Hernandez probably, he probably wanted, he probably wanted his paper. I'm saying Downs was probably willing to give up their one to go to.
See, you got to

Speaker 19 got money depending on who it is, depending on who it is,

Speaker 19 it's a respecting. Oh, this sauce.
I know the number one resonates with everything he's about based on who he is and all that, but this is by business.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's

Speaker 18 the NFL.

Speaker 19 This is my business. I need me some money.
I got to make something off of this, you know. So, I know Josh Down probably, I'd say maybe 50.

Speaker 18 I bet, yeah.

Speaker 18 What is it? Man, let me be in Atlanta. Had that number two.
Hey, yo, you want that number two?

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Hey, you know, hey, Joe, man, I saw this. What you call about like, man, they got this,

Speaker 18 what they call it?

Speaker 17 That

Speaker 18 pickup, that forward pickup.

Speaker 18 That Shelby. Yeah.
Yeah. That Shelby.
Hey, they got one up there. Let's go to get that Shelby for you, boy.
The one with the black, with the gray stripe down the middle, Joe.

Speaker 18 Man.

Speaker 19 Are you talking about like from the movie going to 60 60 Seconds?

Speaker 18 Yeah, yeah, but it's a pickup truck. Oh, oh, ah, truck.
Okay, my bad. You're talking about you, yeah.
Well, they got a Shelby, but that was an Eleanor. That must have been an Eleanor.

Speaker 18 Shelby, uh, uh, Carol, rest your soul, Carol Shelby. Those cars, you talk about three, five, seven million dollars.

Speaker 18 Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

Speaker 18 the original Carol Shelby? Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 19 Rewind for me real quick and give me a better understanding.

Speaker 18 How's the car?

Speaker 19 what is what, what, 60s, 1960, what year?

Speaker 18 Yeah, 60s.

Speaker 19 How can a car in the 60s, made in the 60s, now be worth five or seven million dollars?

Speaker 18 Restored. They ain't made no more of them.

Speaker 18 Some of them are best if they left alone

Speaker 18 because those cars were made for racing.

Speaker 19 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 18 So think about it, Ocho. The thing is, anytime they're not making more of something, it's really valuable.
That's why the Mona Lisa is so valuable.

Speaker 18 That's why those original Declaration of Independence that Mr.

Speaker 18 Ursaides uh trust is getting ready to sell he has an original copy of the declaration of independence damn they have like 200 of them original original he got one of the original copies of not a copy the original copies

Speaker 18 hey what's he got praise guitar he got grateful dad he got jimi hendrix he got eric clapton

Speaker 18 he got a jimi hendrick guitar and they're gonna sell it yeah they sell a lot of that stuff yeah yeah boy they're gonna give a pretty penny for that.

Speaker 18 That was his passion collecting. Okay.
That wasn't their passion collecting. Right.
Okay. Oh, my bad.

Speaker 18 And that's what he said. He's like, look, I understand.
It's only here because I'm here. When I'm gone, let somebody else enjoy it.
Right.

Speaker 18 So, yeah, I totally get that. But I get it.
Look, look, that one,

Speaker 18 I mean, it wouldn't even look like Sauce being in another number.

Speaker 19 Nah, it wouldn't.

Speaker 18 It wouldn't.

Speaker 19 It wouldn't. It just, other players can leave team and change numbers and you don't blink eye you don't bat an eye right a player like lamar

Speaker 18 uh yeah he can't be nothing but

Speaker 19 a jamar chase um a sauce i mean where the number is is is a representative of who they are and when you see that number that's what you think about yeah you see the broncos did they they talked to the chapuca family they took 18 out

Speaker 18 18 nobody had warned them 18. right that's what payton was like yes

Speaker 18 I mean, can you imagine Peyton Manning on another number that's not 18?

Speaker 19 Yeah, it wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 18 Can you see Tom Brady in another number that's not 12?

Speaker 19 It wouldn't make sense. No,

Speaker 18 I can't. So, can you get

Speaker 19 matter of fact? Hey, Joe, can you imagine Ocho Cinco and another number that wasn't 85?

Speaker 18 No, I can't. I can't imagine.

Speaker 19 Yeah, see, Jay,

Speaker 19 it just don't make no sense.

Speaker 18 Well, you can't be Ocho Sinco if you got on 83.

Speaker 18 Ocho Trace.

Speaker 18 So you you had you had to get you had to get that ojo. Hey, hey, hey,

Speaker 18 oh Joe, they'll get you because you pay top dollar for that 85.

Speaker 19 I ain't listening, listen, Aaron Hernandez, when I, when I got New England, uh-uh, he showed love, you know, he showed love and say, normally, if it wasn't you, you know, I'm gonna hit you across the head, but because it's you, he meant that literally too, though, huh?

Speaker 18 He meant that literally too, though. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 But see, I mean, if you, if you, if you, see, y'all, y'all not, y'all not on this end, but if you, if you knew him, if you knew him and how he was moving, like, stuff like that just doesn't occur because you're in the NFL.

Speaker 19 That's stuff that's been.

Speaker 18 Oh, he's been that. Yeah,

Speaker 18 that's old.

Speaker 18 A lot of people try to get away from that. Nah, he ran back to it.

Speaker 18 But let me take that back. He never left it.

Speaker 19 Right. See, and that's the problem.
That's where most of the time you got to have someone else with the brains around you. When you're the golden goose, and the golden goose

Speaker 19 rather try to stay to being real, someone else has to step in. Nah, man, you good.

Speaker 18 We don't need you to be real.

Speaker 19 You done with this lifestyle.

Speaker 19 You know, but hey, hey, it takes a village, young. It takes a village.
And when you got the right people around you, you know, you'll be all right.

Speaker 19 That's the most important thing, having the right people around you. So stuff like that doesn't happen.

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