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Speaker 8 After the Jets dealt Sauce Gardner and Quinny Williams, many assumed the franchise would also deal Brees Hall.

Speaker 8 The Chiefs reportedly offered the Jets a fourth-round pick for Hall, but New York wanted at least a third rounder and turned it down.

Speaker 8 Ocho, can you imagine what the Chiefs offense would have looked like with Brees Hall as its running back?

Speaker 19 Hey, listen, Brees Hall at running back. You got Kareem Hump.
You got Pacheco. I think if the Brees Hall trade would have gone through, somebody in that backfield would have been going.

Speaker 19 Somebody in that backfield would have been going.

Speaker 19 But the kind of speed that Brees Hall has and being to change the dynamic of that offense, you know, especially with play action, hey, that would have been nice. I know Brees, I know Brees upset.

Speaker 19 I know he mad than the U-known.

Speaker 8 He was.

Speaker 19 I know he mad. He got, hey, I can see he, I saw a little

Speaker 19 post joke.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 19 He said, breaking news, Brees Hall courted the airport in Salt's Gardener Locker

Speaker 19 trying to get out of New York.

Speaker 19 It was so funny.

Speaker 8 It was so funny. But understanding how bad they are right now,

Speaker 19 it got to hurt. It got to hurt.

Speaker 8 I'm leaving that team. Hold on.
I'm leaving that team, and I know what the Chiefs represent. Yeah, their record is not the greatest,

Speaker 8 but they still got Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.

Speaker 8 They still got Travis Kelsey. They still got those weapons.
And they have Andy Reed.

Speaker 8 I'm surprised they didn't make it a fourth. Say, okay, we'll give you a fourth, but we'll make it contingent.
We win the division or we make the playoffs or something like that.

Speaker 8 It converts into a third. I was surprised that they just said no.

Speaker 8 But hey, Brett Beach is hard to argue against him and Andy and what they've been able to do. They seem to always push the right buttons.
Remember, they went and got Kareem Hunt, brought him back.

Speaker 8 Remember, Ocho, they brought

Speaker 8 Micole Hardman. They brought him back.
And what did he do? Catch the game with a touchdown

Speaker 8 in the Super Bowl. So it's hard to argue, Joe, but when the Chiefs do something like you, it's hard to find fault.
But

Speaker 8 hey,

Speaker 8 because Pacheco's going to be out, Ocho. He's going to probably be out like two, three weeks, maybe a month.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And you know what? The fact, I think, obviously the Kansas City Chiefs, they value, they value Brees Hall in a sense, but don't value him enough for a third.

Speaker 8 They value picks more.

Speaker 19 Especially from a team that knows how to draft.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 where is he? Is he on the final year of his contract?

Speaker 8 Because, you know,

Speaker 8 the thing is, Ocho, you don't want to have to bring a guy in.

Speaker 19 You got to pick.

Speaker 8 And he's a rental. And

Speaker 8 I gave him a third-round pick for a rental. Right.

Speaker 8 I'm going to want to sign him. So it'd have been interesting to see, but I definitely think he could have,

Speaker 8 excuse me, I definitely think he could have helped the Chiefs

Speaker 8 with their running game.

Speaker 8 But Pacheco's going to be out. We'll see what Kareem Hunt.
Kareem Hunt is not really

Speaker 8 an every down back.

Speaker 8 He's a short yardage. He's a short yardage back, third and one, fourth and one.
He could catch the ball a little bit. I mean, he'll block a little bit, but.

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Speaker 8 Man, Breeze Hall would have definitely helped. Football fans who miss Sebastian Janikowski have a new guy to watch.

Speaker 8 Rams announce they've signed kicker Harrison Mabis to their practice squad dubbed the Thicker. Kicker.
He's 5'11, 243 pounds.

Speaker 8 The move comes after Joshua Carty, Los Angeles regular starter, is 10 of 15

Speaker 8 on field goals and 23 of 26 on extra points. Ocho, what you think?

Speaker 19 I mean, listen, that's a good thing. When it comes down to kicking,

Speaker 19 games are won and lost on your leg. So therefore, you have to be damn near perfect if you are a kicker in the NFL.
And they brought in someone. He played with not XFL.
Did I say that right?

Speaker 19 He's coming from somewhere, Uncle.

Speaker 8 No,

Speaker 8 wasn't he?

Speaker 8 Is

Speaker 8 Mexico?

Speaker 8 Don't they sign a couple of players each year from Mexico and put them on the practice squad? Don't y'all?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, Ashley would be better suited to answer that one.

Speaker 19 But I know, if I'm not mistaken, the person that they did sign is coming from somewhere where I think he missed one kick all season long. So this is something that

Speaker 19 they do need.

Speaker 19 Because I mean, you know, the kicking position is very important, despite that you only have.

Speaker 8 Atlanta just cut their second kicker this year. You remember they had Young Way

Speaker 8 Co.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 he shanked one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They brought this other guy in. He missed the PAT.

Speaker 19 Yeah, they got him out.

Speaker 8 They gave him his walking.

Speaker 19 They don't play because it's too important, huh? It's too the kicking position, it's too important, especially when it comes to closed games and games are decided on kicks that you make.

Speaker 19 So this is tough. They need to bring me in to kick.

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 8 that boy Aubrey got a foot on him, boy. Hey, we got it.

Speaker 19 Hey, you saw Will. I mean, what's the name? Will um Cam Will Will Will Cam? Hit that 68-yarder?

Speaker 8 Cam Little. Oh, I've seen.

Speaker 19 Cam Little. Okay.
Yeah, Cam Little. And then Aubrey had a chance to tie it.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 19 he missed it, though, but he got a leg, boy. AJ.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, that thing might have been.

Speaker 8 That might have been a lot of fun. That's what I actually thought would break the record, Ocho.

Speaker 8 I thought Aubrey, the Dallas kicker. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Because he's indoors.

Speaker 8 And at the end of the half, something like that, you let... But Cam Little kicked a 70-yarder in preseason this year for real yeah yeah

Speaker 19 but um do you know how hey joe you know how hard it is to kick 70 and be accurate from that goddamn far out

Speaker 19 you can't get no height on the ball so you got you got to kick it you got to drive straight be accurate and then you got to worry about the defensive line jumping up and blocking it because you can't put too much height on it because you won't be able to get it out that goddamn far right and you got to worry about you missing it they running it back because you ain't got no you got two guys that really make the tackle no those are the wing guys.

Speaker 8 That's it. And if those guys don't make the tackle, guess what? House call.

Speaker 8 House call.

Speaker 8 He's undrafted out of Missouri in 2024, OJo. He played in the UFL.

Speaker 19 That's what I meant to say. UFL.
Yeah. UFL.

Speaker 8 5'11, 243. That boy built like a running back, man.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Damn.

Speaker 8 Joe, this

Speaker 8 LeBron James will not be traveling for the team's upcoming five-game road trip starting Saturday

Speaker 8 as he recovers from sciatica on his right side, according to Shams. Shams also reported that the next step for LeBron in his rehab is five-on-five live play,

Speaker 8 which could come against the G-League players or when he returned, when Los Angeles returned from the road trip on November 16th.

Speaker 8 Lakers personnel are still operating under the belief LeBron with debut will come around mid-November. Hey, look.
Joe, what you thinking?

Speaker 8 I like what the Lakers have been doing.

Speaker 8 I want to give a shout out to my young boy, Nick Smith Jr., over there, you know, for the Lakers.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's from the crib.
He's from Little Rock.

Speaker 8 Hey, look, look, and they got A.R. over there who from Arkansas, too.
So

Speaker 8 them boys getting down over there, man. Kobe of the Ozarks.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 19 Austin Reed's from where?

Speaker 8 He from Arkansas, New York, Arkansas. That's probably, that's probably like, that's probably like an hour and a half from Little Rock.
Chill out, Ocho.

Speaker 8 Listen, like, Ocho, we ain't got but a few players in the league, so we we all got to stick together you hear me right right right so i root for them i root for all of them but man i've been hearing this about that uh they don't need lebron this man if y'all plan if the lakers plan on going far you're gonna need the king man you're gonna need him it's good that these guys are getting out here and they playing great but when lebron gets back on the floor they're gonna need to keep that same confidence and effort that they have but

Speaker 8 If they plan on going far, man, they're gonna need LeBron to come in and do something.

Speaker 19 And and plus go ahead ocho no i was gonna say the the funny thing is as well as they're playing now offensively with lebron coming back he still fits that dynamic right so the floor the offense still continues

Speaker 8 yeah i can make the go ahead go ahead

Speaker 8 go ahead no i'm gonna go ahead i'm gonna let you finish because

Speaker 8 we want them guys to continue to have the confidence that they playing with right now

Speaker 8 right you know what i mean like without lebron on with lebron on the floor yeah maybe it is a little different maybe you know,

Speaker 8 it's a lot more pressure. But with him not being on the floor, you need, I love the confidence that these guys are playing with.
They just have to keep it up when he does come back.

Speaker 8 You know, they can't defer to him too much. You know what I mean? Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I agree. I think the thing is for me, Joe, is that this helps with the depth.
Because the problem that the Lakers always had with depth. is that what happens when LeBron and Luca is not on the floor?

Speaker 8 Or what happens when those guys are off the floor? Now we can see that now LeBron or Luca or Austin Rees will always be on the floor, so they'll always have somebody that can initiate the offense.

Speaker 8 Yeah, whereas before, like, damn, you had to play LeBron Harry of damn near 39, 40 years old, and you got to play in 40 minutes.

Speaker 8 Guys, party that that old ain't supposed to be playing those kinds of minutes, right? Luca wearing down. And so now you got Rui that's playing really well.
You got

Speaker 8 the guy they got from Memphis that's playing really well the other night. Remember, they went to Parliament.

Speaker 8 what's it what's his name? Uh, uh,

Speaker 8 they got

Speaker 8 Laravia, Laravia, and he's been balling.

Speaker 8 Yes, it's been going under the radar because AR been playing so great when Luca hadn't been playing, but uh, he's been he's been amazing for them, yep. And you get you mentioned, you mentioned uh uh

Speaker 8 Bryce. Bryce came in

Speaker 8 and gave him, what did he give him another night? He gave him him six assists.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Bronny. Bronny.

Speaker 8 Bronny. Yeah, Bronny.
Yeah, Bronny. So what that does is that it's going to give them confidence that they can, like, man, we can do this.

Speaker 8 We can do this. There you go.
Now, look, you know what the expectation is.

Speaker 8 I think sometimes, like, when LeBron is not there and like Luca wasn't there, it's a situation where, like, man, ain't nobody expecting anything of us. Yeah.
But they know.

Speaker 8 When LeBron is there, and they know what the expectations are. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. And it's really that simple.
Yeah, it's championship or bust. And that's it.

Speaker 8 For me, when you look at DeAndre Aiden, he's probably going to benefit the most out of LeBron not playing right now because he's playing at a great level right now.

Speaker 8 They giving him a lot of lives, a lot of

Speaker 8 little chippies right there at the rim. And he's been playing great.
So I think his only best friend. Well, that's what Luca needed.

Speaker 8 If you notice, Luca's at his best when he got a live threat. Yes, sir.

Speaker 8 When he had Lively, when he had PJ Washington, when he had, what's the other guy guy name uh uh gaffer gaffer yeah you see they went to the nba finals once they got pj washington and they got gaffer he needs a law threat long as he got a law threat because no he gonna get to the rim and now when you you least expect it he

Speaker 8 man listen yeah hey deandre ayton there's no reason deandre ayton shouldn't average 14 14, 10, and 5.

Speaker 8 You talking about with LeBron or without LeBron? With both of those those guys, because he's a lob threat. Yeah.
So you got to pay attention to those guys. Look at Zubats.
How many points?

Speaker 8 Look at what Zubach averaged last year and Moulstone with nothing but lobs and putbacks.

Speaker 8 They ain't running because they're not going to run offense for DeAndre Aiden. Just like they don't run offense for Zubats.

Speaker 8 Whatever you get, you get a lob, you get an offensive rebound, and dunk it back home. That's how you're going to get your points.
DeAndre Aiden's going to get his points the same way.

Speaker 8 The same way did DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre Jordan became an all-NBA selection with nothing but logs and putbacks.
Rim running, rim running.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's it. But I think, uh, I think uh, Aiden, he has a lot more to his game as far as shooting a 15-footer.

Speaker 8 He can shoot the three, they just don't want him to rely on it, you know what I mean. But

Speaker 8 listen, let me tell you something. When Luca came back, I

Speaker 8 know he's a bad boy, Uncle Ocho, but man, what that boy doing out there is unbelievable, man. I mean, he's moving at Luca.

Speaker 8 Like, you know, AR, AR was playing amazing. Luca came back, boy, dropped 40-something.

Speaker 8 I,

Speaker 8 but he gets it so easy because the problem, the thing is, Joe, that Joker, I ain't never seen nobody that can get hot like Luca. Luca can have a 20-25-point quarter like nothing.

Speaker 8 You look up, he done dropped four threes, he done got two and ones, and he done got two layups. He got that slow step.
What the hell?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Hey, he's slow stepping them boys out there. Hey, Ocho, he ain't moving fast, Ocho.

Speaker 19 It don't look, hey, Joe, it looks like it's in slow motion, but everything he do work, Joe.

Speaker 8 Everything moves work. It's angles, bro.
It's angles.

Speaker 8 It's the way he take his angles and his brakes. He can stop on the dime and then hit you with that step back.

Speaker 8 He got a lot in his arsenal, man. It's fun to watch.
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 8 The fake. Hey, Joe, he.

Speaker 8 And then when you don't jump, he poop little push shot. And when you, hey, and then he gets you up in there, Didi jumps into you and then kisses off the glass.
Like, man, this is some bullshit.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, and he got some range too because he's shooting two, three feet out beyond the three.

Speaker 8 Yes, on a step back, yeah, yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 19 That's

Speaker 19 you know, you know, they playing, they're playing right now,

Speaker 8 yeah. They play in San Antonio, playing Wimby.

Speaker 8 Uh, Luca got 17, six, and seven.

Speaker 19 No, he got 20, 26, 26 and 17 26 and 77.

Speaker 8 damn yeah

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Speaker 8 Keeping up with the latest on Ja and Nightcap fans have been dying to know what your thoughts on the situation. What's going on with Ja? They suspended Ja for conduct detrimental.

Speaker 8 They played the Lakers. They had a big lead.
AR and Luca go crazy in the second half, and they rake

Speaker 8 a 15-point lead. The Lakers end up having at one point, I think a 13, 14-point lead.

Speaker 8 They ended up winning comfortably, but Ja was, I guess Ja was critical that they asked Ja why didn't he play and Ja was like, ask the coach,

Speaker 8 blah, blah, blah. And then they asked him something else.
He said, well, the coach probably thought it'd be a good that probably helped him win if I was on the bench.

Speaker 8 So what are your thoughts about what's going on with Ja and Memphis? Man,

Speaker 8 if I could tell Ja something, man, you just, you got to watch what you say. You got to watch your attitude.
You got to watch how you carry yourself, you know, because I ain't going to lie, Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 8 I'm watching the game in the last seven minutes of the game. I'm like, what is he doing? He just passing the ball, going to the corner.
He was very nonchalant, and it just looked like he didn't care.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? As a guy who

Speaker 8 ultimately could have been like the face of the league, has a top five signature shoe. Like, to whom much is given, man, much is required.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 So, whatever the, I know they got a new coach in and he's implementing a system that's pretty much taking the ball out of Jai's hands. And I think, I don't really think he, he cared too much for that.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? Because he's been rocking with the rock the whole time, making plays, doing what he do.

Speaker 8 And now they got this other coach who's like almost similar to like Phil Jackson when he came to Chicago. He took the ball out of MJ hands.
We're going to run this triangle.

Speaker 8 It's going to benefit the whole team. Now, you know, it may take down some of your stats, but.

Speaker 8 collectively as a team we're going to be better i think it's kind of similar to that situation but man just watch your attitude, bro. Like,

Speaker 8 everybody's watching it, Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 8 You know, look, you can't just, they are, you can't just be in your feelings about what Memphis is doing when you got 31 other teams watching and trying to see, okay, do we think Jock can fit in our system?

Speaker 8 Because, you know, ultimately, that's what you're doing, bro.

Speaker 8 You're still trying out for other teams, but I think, I don't know, maybe, maybe it's time for him to move on because it don't look like I think so.

Speaker 19 Yeah, Joe, hey, Joe, he needs to change the scenery. Joe, I don't know what else you need to see.

Speaker 19 I don't know what else else you need to see i'm not sure what else you need to see you say he needs to worry about some of the things that he's doing and you know his mannerism the way he carried himself he fed up he tired joe sometimes you get tired where are the memphis grizzlies going where are they going do they have a chance are they going to win with jaw do they have a chance to compete for a nba championship while jaw's there probably not the chance if he have

Speaker 8 probably not if he play if he play if he plays at a level to where we know ja can play at that mega star level right i i think anything's possible for the grizzlies but the the way he's playing now nah no no he don't want he don't want he pouted he don't want to

Speaker 8 it was something it was something that was going on he pouted it was that situation what was that that game seven that kobe had where he just passed the ball oh y'all think i'm gunning the ball too much right i'm gonna show you we're gonna go win

Speaker 8 and he went and stood in the corner and that's kind of what ja did and oh joe you say ja is fed up they kind of fed up with ja they're not gonna have that long leash like they've had in the past okay I think, I think he really liked Taylor Jenkins.

Speaker 8 Taylor Jenkins let Jaw have the ball.

Speaker 8 But as you mentioned, Joe, this guy here

Speaker 8 and y'all look at that Shea, man, I want to have, I want to pound the ball like Shay. Don't nobody be saying nothing about Shay.

Speaker 8 You know,

Speaker 8 the way the

Speaker 8 Warriors play, they play hot potato. The ball don't stick.

Speaker 8 Ain't nobody pounding the ball. Right.
It's popping.

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe,

Speaker 19 I told you. I told you, no, there's a good chance.

Speaker 8 You know,

Speaker 19 I heard Toronto was keeping an eye on the Jaw situation.

Speaker 19 I talked to Pat Riley and Mickey Errison, you know, they keep an eye on the situation. Okay.

Speaker 19 You know, to get to get Josh to come over here in a more structured and more disciplined environment, I think he'll be happy here down in Miami.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe.
Oh, Joe.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe. Go ahead and explain to him, Joe.
With all the ballet dancing y'all got going on down there in Miami.

Speaker 19 Oh, that's called, hey, oh, you talking about adult ballet?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Hello.
There we go. And you know, Pat don't play all that, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Like,

Speaker 8 he run a real tight ship.

Speaker 19 That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

Speaker 8 Well, it depends. If you're going to buy in, it's a good thing.
But if you ain't buying in, then it ain't going to be no good thing.

Speaker 19 Joe, everybody in the NBA, even I know about Pat Riley, you know, but you got to understand, he rules with an iron fist.

Speaker 19 Do what you need to do in court when it comes to taking care of business, and then you can enjoy yourself outside of that. It gives you a chance to relax.

Speaker 8 Nah, he don't really let you do that. Not Miami.
No.

Speaker 8 Hey. Ocho.
Ocho. Hey, Ocho.
Pat got,

Speaker 8 he got people all over Miami. Oh, yeah, I know that.
I know that. He gonna know everything.
He's gonna know everything you're doing.

Speaker 8 So when you think you're sneaking out and doing this and that, oh, yeah, yeah, they already know. They already know.
They already know.

Speaker 19 I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to get make my team better, man, so we can come out easily.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, but what I do want to ask you,

Speaker 8 I want y'all to,

Speaker 8 when I look at y'all and I watch him play,

Speaker 8 I wonder how much does he take the weight room serious?

Speaker 8 You know, because with that frame he has

Speaker 8 and the way he play above the rim, man.

Speaker 8 I've watched him several times when he played the Lakers. Yeah, and I know, I know in football, it's mandatory for y'all to lift weights.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 In basketball, listen, you cannot make it through an 82-game season without being in love with that weight room, bro.

Speaker 8 You have have to be in that weight room. And when I watch him play, he got that thin frame and he's so,

Speaker 8 he has so many great attributes that I don't know if he really taking the weight room serious. You know what I mean?

Speaker 19 You know, you know what's funny, Joe, now that you say that, I think as small as he is, as wiry as he is, I think if he did take the weight room seriously, well, we don't know if he does or not, but there's only so much weight he can put on because his frame is so small.

Speaker 19 You don't want to get too big. You don't want to get too bulky because it takes away.

Speaker 8 It's not about getting the weight. Ocho is about taking those falls.
It's about taking that confidence. Yeah, beginning.
Look at Steph Curry and then look at Steph Curry now. You can see how his body.

Speaker 19 Yeah. Transition.
Yeah, the transition over the years. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he got Steph got some nice cuts. What I'm saying is, Ja has that body to where he can be really cut up and lean.
And I just don't know, man. I don't know if he takes the weight room seriously.

Speaker 8 I think that's probably, first off, you know, that's one thing he has to do, man. You got to take care of the body, bro.
You got to take because it'll take care of you. And you need some padding.

Speaker 8 I mean, I stayed sore because I stayed lean. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, hey, man, hey, you hit me like that. That, Joe, and I'm sore for, I'm sore for three, four days.

Speaker 8 I mean, I hurt, I hurt so bad because I was lean.

Speaker 8 I played it like five and a half, six percent body fat. Yeah,

Speaker 19 I played a two percent body fat.

Speaker 8 That's a that's a gladiator sport, though, with y'all playing, man. Yeah, Joe.
Hey,

Speaker 8 listen, listen, I commend y'all, bro. Like, that's look, I never played football, but I, I, you know, I, man, that's oh, you gotta have a little screw loose, Joe.
Huh?

Speaker 8 You gotta have a little screw loose. It up for everybody.
I know.

Speaker 8 It ain't for everybody. You're right.
You gotta have a loose screw up.

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, I was crazy. I was crazy out there, Joe.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Hey, hold on, hold up.
Hey, oh, Joe, y'all used to be off them. Y'all used to be off them ad bills and Tylenols for the game.
What y'all doing?

Speaker 8 Smelling salt, Joe. Smelling salt.

Speaker 8 Smelling salt. I ain't take no smelling salt.
Right before the kickoff,

Speaker 8 I took Tylenol. I ain't take that, but I took Tylenol.

Speaker 8 I take three Tylenol, and I had, they had in my locker. I had six Tylenol, and then I had

Speaker 8 three five packs of big red. So that was Big Red was my mouthpiece.
Chewing gun was my mouthpiece because I didn't play with a mouthpiece, Joe. Oh, you did one of me?

Speaker 8 Hey, Joe, I ain't playing with no mouthpiece. I ain't got time to take no mouthpiece out.
Hey, Joe.

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe, you know I had a mouthful of goals. I had a mouthful of goals, right? Yeah.
I ain't playing with no mouthpiece because I need to be able to talk.

Speaker 19 I need to be able to talk and I want to make sure you hear me. But before the game, Joe, I take the smell of salt, right? I open the pack, put the smell of salt on my hand right here.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Put it in a little line.

Speaker 19 And I scrap the smell of salt, Joe. All right.
Before the game. Hey, I was crazy.
Hey, Joe, I was crazy, boy.

Speaker 8 What's the little thing that they break? And then you smell sales. That's what's capsule.
That's a small smelling salt capsule. Oh, that's the smell of salt.
Yeah, I used to open mine.

Speaker 19 I open the whole capsule and put it on my hand, you know, like

Speaker 19 it was that stuff.

Speaker 8 That's the That's the thing.

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe, I'm telling you what I used to do, Joe, to get myself ready for the game.

Speaker 8 Well, that stuff is strong, huh? It is. That stuff is strong.
Listen, they used to put it in a cup. They used to break it, put it in a cup, and you smell it.
Man.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 they got the capsule. They got

Speaker 8 the sticks. Now, Ocho,

Speaker 8 that's a stick.

Speaker 19 And you break it.

Speaker 8 You just pop the top off.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 8 and put it back on yeah but hey i ain't that stuff make you hey you get it too much you know it'll make your ass pass pass out. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, see, I needed that before the game, Joe. I need, I need to be wired.

Speaker 8 Hey, we had a guy that did, he saw everybody else doing it, oh Cho and Joe. He's a man, let me get some of that.
And you know, you're supposed to just like, like that, yeah, that joker.

Speaker 8 Oh, one listen. What on your eye roll back in the ass?

Speaker 8 That stuff ain't nothing to play with, boy. Nah, hell, nah.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 I think it's gonna come to an end, Joe. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 8 I think, I, I think Joe, John's time in Memphis is gonna come to an end, I do too, and I think it's gonna be sooner than later.

Speaker 8 I agree, and I, and but where, though, if if we had to take a few guesses,

Speaker 8 where y'all think you're gonna the Kings need a point guard, they just gave up De'Aaron Fox. No, they need a point guard, nah,

Speaker 8 you want him to go down to Sacramento? Come on, man, over there with Schroeder and Westbrook, or obviously, you're gonna have to trade one up now.

Speaker 8 I don't want to see him over there.

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 8 and you got the Rosa and you got Levine over there.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but I don't want to see him now.

Speaker 8 I do like...

Speaker 8 Now, listen, I wouldn't mind seeing him playing next to Ant-Man now.

Speaker 8 Hey, but Joe, you cooking, Joe. Carly ain't going back.
Carly don't want to go back to Memphis. Joe, you cooking.

Speaker 8 It ain't about what he want, huh?

Speaker 8 Hey, Joe, go ahead and cook, Joe.

Speaker 8 Hey, hey, look, uh, if, if, if Minnesota could pull that off, because in the playoffs, you know, Ant-Man kind of wore down, he needs another guy who can take charge, take those of a game.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think that'll be a decent fit. I don't mind seeing him in Miami, but you know, okay, okay, okay, Joe, you cooking tonight, Joe.
It's just a lot of cool with it, Ocho.

Speaker 8 Hey, you see, uh, you see, go bear?

Speaker 8 Go Bear ain't did nothing since he played the Lakers in the playoffs last year.

Speaker 8 They're going to have 27 and 20.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 they had 27 points since then in all the games.

Speaker 8 Hey,

Speaker 19 Miami Heat organization, all the powers that be are probably going to see this. They watch the show.

Speaker 19 They are friends of the show.

Speaker 19 They let me know when I went to the NBA Young Boy concert, which was held with the Heat Play in their arena. Everyone told me to tell you, hello, Unc.

Speaker 19 I'm just bringing that up because now we talk about the Miami Heat. So now, you know, the officials that work there, I know they do see the show.
So therefore,

Speaker 19 you heard what Joe said.

Speaker 19 I think personally, Miami would be a good place for Ja Morant to come to because of the environment, because of Pat Riley and the fact that he rules with the Iron Fist, it would be a good fit for him because you already know when you come here, we don't play no games.

Speaker 19 I'm going to make sure Ja is good outside of that structured environment of the NBA. He's going to be a great representation for the NBA Shield.
and being here in Miami.

Speaker 19 He's going to be all right because he's in good hands with me. What do I like to do, Joe? What do I like to do? What's one thing I never do? I never put myself in the world.

Speaker 8 Were you 50? Huh? Y'all 25.

Speaker 19 You think I can hold on to stay with me real quick. You think Ja comes to Miami? I can't get Ja to sit nine hours a day with me, smoking a cigar.

Speaker 8 Come on, come on, man.

Speaker 19 Hold on, playing a video game all day, eight, nine hours a day.

Speaker 8 We won't need him sitting, smoking no cigar, playing video games all day.

Speaker 8 I'm saying

Speaker 8 I really want to see him in the Eastern Conference because I just feel like the West is so thick. I think

Speaker 8 if he goes to the East, it'll kind of balance things out.

Speaker 8 Because right now, when you look in the Eastern Conference, I ain't looking at nobody but New York and Cleveland probably who's going to come out of the East.

Speaker 8 I agree. So

Speaker 8 you send him over there in the Eastern Conference to Miami. I think they got a fighting chance.
Yeah,

Speaker 8 hey, Joe, you cooking tonight, boy. You my the West Lowe.

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe, what's your cash at? Let me see your goddamn money, boy. Hey,

Speaker 19 hey, you, my dog tonight, boy.

Speaker 8 How much you see it, 200?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I see it, 200.

Speaker 8 All right, all right, all right, I'm gonna shoot it to you.

Speaker 19 I'm gonna shoot it.

Speaker 19 I see you, 200.

Speaker 8 I'm gonna shoot it to you. Oh, Joe, Joe, Jalen Brown strikes again.

Speaker 8 He had he had that Beijing on, uh, uh,

Speaker 8 and uh, it got over rookies, Keyshawn George tonight. Can you see it? Can you see see it on your?

Speaker 8 I can see it. Scroll up.

Speaker 8 Guess what?

Speaker 8 Look at there. I've tried to figure out what happened to that man's hair.
He had twists at one point. What happened? That man had a high top, fade, twist.
Yeah. Hey, hold on.

Speaker 8 So that was a man's unit. That wasn't even his.
I was thinking ready to shit at.

Speaker 19 Maybe it was a unit.

Speaker 8 There wasn't no unit.

Speaker 19 You don't think so? Nah.

Speaker 8 Joe, ain't no way you lose all your hair in

Speaker 8 two years. It's two.

Speaker 19 Yeah, two years.

Speaker 8 That's impossible. Joe, you remember he had had a hot top, and then he had twists, he had knots.

Speaker 8 Hey, look, look, it's just like God cut your hair, God cut his hair. It's time, but it was a gradual process, Joe.
Not over two years. Wait, you talk about you talking about me?

Speaker 8 Yeah, God cut your hair.

Speaker 19 Joe, you don't understand.

Speaker 8 I can, I can grow a full, a full head of hair, Joe.

Speaker 19 No, you can't. I showed Unc before I grew it to be on the show.

Speaker 8 Joe, you ain't your uncle.

Speaker 8 You ain't gonna get me send me, help me send my soul to hell lying for you.

Speaker 19 Hey, hey, no, no, Joe. Hey, Joe, listen, Joe, stay with me real quick, Joe.
I can grow a full head of hair.

Speaker 19 The problem is, when it comes to having hair, with hair comes maintenance. With maintenance comes having to buy supplies to support said maintenance.
What does that do?

Speaker 8 That costs more money.

Speaker 19 How do I eliminate expenses? By not having no goddamn hair.

Speaker 8 Joe, the hair on his head is just like the hair on his face. That thing's splotchy.
We got a match over here. He got a patch over there.
He looked like Patch the Pony.

Speaker 8 No, I'm telling you um there are many pictures of me with a head with a full head of hair you ain't oh i can see you look on the side yeah your hair grow but on the thing that thing smooth and shiny at the top no no

Speaker 8 ain't no hair growing there no you acting like i'm caucasian no no that thing got a shade that thing got shade don't know grass going up in the shade i'm gonna show you i'm gonna i'm gonna grow it out i'm gonna grow it out But I need y'all to tell me how JB did this.

Speaker 8 How did he go from that?

Speaker 8 That joker had the kid.

Speaker 8 He had the kid fade. Hot talk.

Speaker 8 He did. He did.

Speaker 8 I don't know, but I'm going to start blaming his barber too for putting his dry eraser stuff on his head, but he knows he got to go out there and play, man. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 See, you got to get that, what you call it? You got to have that rinse. So you can't put that spray on there because you start sweating.

Speaker 8 You see the

Speaker 8 Baptist minister, the Pentecostal minister, they get up there, that thing be coming down all the shit. They start dripping.
Yeah. Hey, you got a pound.
They come up. Hey, how you doing, brother Sharp?

Speaker 8 Hey, you give me me the pound. You ain't gonna mess up my suit.

Speaker 8 But JB, come on, JB. Hey, you gotta let that go, JB.
Yeah, because he went down. He had called LeBron, talking about LeBron.
How I do. Hey, LeBron said, I can't.
Hey, hey, you see, LeBron let his go.

Speaker 8 LeBron said, you know what? I fought it long as I could. I fought it till I was 40.

Speaker 8 I'm at peace with it now. Yeah, yeah.
But hell, JB in his 20s.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he probably wasn't. He in his 20s.
He late, man. Man,

Speaker 8 I know some dudes when I was in high school who had went bald headed, so it don't matter because he's in his 20s now.

Speaker 8 It do matter because Joe, you got a 300 million dollar contract. You got everything, you get everything you want except here.

Speaker 8 And you better go to Turkey.

Speaker 8 You go to Turkey, and they only charge like $7 follicle.

Speaker 19 And you know what's funny? Everybody keep going down to Turkey to get their hair done, but how come nobody in the U.S. understands what they're doing in Turkey and brings it here?

Speaker 19 So we ain't got to take that long.

Speaker 8 They can do it, but Joe, Joe, they charge $7 follicle and USA charge

Speaker 8 $10, $15, $20 a follicle. Okay, when you do that.
So you know how many follicles you got to pull out the back of your head to get that to grow?

Speaker 19 Do you know what the procedure is called?

Speaker 8 And is it painful? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because they do give you some numbing medicine because they got to pluck it out. You know, they numb the scalp a little bit, Joe.

Speaker 8 But you, hey, they plucking it out at the back and putting it in there.

Speaker 8 Man, look, I'm good. But you know, if you know anything about hair, this hair is different than the hair in the back of your hand.
Yes.

Speaker 8 That's why it looks different.

Speaker 19 Man, listen. And you know what? I won't.

Speaker 8 It's the Ocho Carr K Grocer. See, Ocho got that beat you back here.
Nah. Call to the point that beat you to the back.

Speaker 19 Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 8 See, this is what we're not going to do.

Speaker 19 We're not going to make assumptions about my hair texture when I got good hair in my family. I got

Speaker 8 my kids.

Speaker 19 Look at my kids. Hold on.
This is how you know I got good hair.

Speaker 8 Look at their mama. Because they mamas.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 They who? They mama?

Speaker 19 Nah, no, they mamas got good hair because of me.

Speaker 8 Huh?

Speaker 8 I don't sound right.

Speaker 19 No,

Speaker 19 I'm just saying, Joe, my kids, long, luscious, beautiful black hair.

Speaker 8 You know, that ain't you. You don't got no long, beautiful, luscious hair.
My daughter got long hair. Ain't got nothing to do with me.
Her mom got long, her mom's hair longer than hairs.

Speaker 19 Well, no,

Speaker 19 everyone I have kids from, they bald headed.

Speaker 8 So again. again, no, you bald headed.
They got here. No, see? You got, see, you had, I remember when you were younger, you had police hair.
Roll over the park anywhere on your head.

Speaker 19 Hey.

Speaker 19 Hell nah.

Speaker 8 Hey.

Speaker 19 I'm feeling good.

Speaker 8 But I kept, but I'm just saying, at that point, at that point, and the thing is, he looking at it like, man, I got a full ass beard, a full beard, and I'm about here,

Speaker 8 ball and scalding.

Speaker 8 Hey, man. It happens like that sometimes, man.

Speaker 8 You can't have it all. Yeah, JB, you can't have it all.
You want to have $300 million.

Speaker 8 You want a beard. You want a head full of hair.
Yeah. Damn.

Speaker 19 You can't. Hey, you know what? I want to try, Uncle Joe.

Speaker 8 What?

Speaker 19 I want a beard, like a lace front beard and a full beard.

Speaker 8 They do that for you.

Speaker 19 They put the ball.

Speaker 19 You know how in Philly, you know, the beard in Philly is like a staple, a staple of a. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I want a full beard.

Speaker 8 That'd be be oh Joe oh Joe it's cats out here really getting that unit put on their face man swear to God yeah

Speaker 8 get that little man you need to put to get your whole look

Speaker 19 I mean but it but but I'm talking about the kind that look real Joe I ain't talking about no

Speaker 8 yeah hey man I've been watching they be putting they be putting a uh uh dreads

Speaker 19 that look real yeah hey hey I gotta do that for a show huh Tell me where to go, Joe.

Speaker 8 Do what for a show?

Speaker 19 Like,

Speaker 19 get the unit with some dreads.

Speaker 8 I gotta I got hey I got a guy down here who can get you grab your ass out here looking like predator if you want to

Speaker 8 hey come on hey Joe hey Joe where he at Joe he in he here in Atlanta I got a guy for you I got a guy who no no Joe I'm serious I'm gonna come on the show with the whole look look hey what he looking like looking like a little

Speaker 19 you don't need the dreads okay I'm gonna do the beard I'm gonna do the beard

Speaker 19 yeah yeah hey Joe hey hit your boy tell him let me know how much and I hey you know that hey did you know the flight to Atlanta but it's 45 minutes man.

Speaker 8 Listen, I'm gonna hit them for you. I'm gonna have some.
Oh, yo, don't go to Atlanta, but you don't want to be in that four-hour line going to TSA. You see that?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I saw it.

Speaker 19 Hey, what happened? What happened to TSA?

Speaker 8 God, they ain't getting paid. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Wait, hold on.

Speaker 19 Oh, so they just say forget coming to work.

Speaker 8 Hell yeah.

Speaker 19 How long is the government gonna be like this? What do you think?

Speaker 8 Hey, somebody gotta give. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Hey, will they get back pay for the time that's missed?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 They're supposed to, but probably not. Damn.

Speaker 8 Hey, because this might be an opportunity for them to like, hey, we're going to go ahead and lay y'all off. Go ahead and lay y'all off.

Speaker 8 If you're trying to trim the government, what better way?

Speaker 8 Hey, look, they're going to have them robots in there working in a minute.

Speaker 19 Hey, that's tough, man. That's tough.

Speaker 19 I feel for people that actually have government jobs and they're having to deal with the issues of it being shut down right now and

Speaker 19 see this is a time

Speaker 8 that need no snap and need wick

Speaker 8 hey does the president have power to over oversee and overrule whatever it is that's going on all i know is that president trump said when president obama had a lockdown that it's on the president he got both houses he got senate and he got the house and he got the supreme court and is a republican president right so i don't know whatever y'all want to say all i know is that we've had the longest shutdown in government history on his watch.

Speaker 19 How long we've been shut down, huh?

Speaker 8 How long we been shut down? What? Damn near like 30, almost 30 days.

Speaker 8 We've been shut down a whole month?

Speaker 19 Hey, Joe, see,

Speaker 19 this is why you need people like me as president. This is why you need people like me in positions of power to make some of the calls.
Now, you might not like the jokes.

Speaker 19 You might not like the entertainment, but when it comes to making sure the people are good, that's why I come into play.

Speaker 19 That's why why I come into play. The American people would not have to suffer.

Speaker 8 You hear me? 10 years ago, Ocho, you know what? I remember 15, 20 years ago, that would seem far-fetched. That ain't far-fetched anymore.

Speaker 8 Anybody, you don't really have to have qualifications to be the home office. Oh, I'm qualified.

Speaker 8 I'm qualified.

Speaker 8 Hey, Joe, I can switch it up like a house. You don't have to be.
That's the point. That's my point.
Right.

Speaker 8 It used to be that like, okay, you ran at some local level. You ran, you know, you ran at a state level.
You ran at some level. Now,

Speaker 8 you got a name you can be in. You just need somebody to back you.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor. Clint Eastwood, Jesse Ventur, Al Franken.

Speaker 8 There have been a lot of people just that got into politics, just don't name. The president of the United States, he never held public office before at no level.
So it's not as far-fetched.

Speaker 8 I know you, I think you're saying it tongue-in-cheek,

Speaker 8 but in actuality, it's not as far-fetched as one would think. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, as long as you got the right backing, somebody backing you. That's it.
Now you got, you're going to be bought and paid for it. You do realize that, right?

Speaker 8 You don't run. You don't make no decisions.

Speaker 19 Oh, well, listen, when it comes to the world and how the powers that be work, I know the people that we can visibly see. I know they don't make the calls.
I know they don't pull the strings.

Speaker 19 I know the people that pull the strings. I'm not going to talk about it, but I know how it works.

Speaker 8 I understand that.

Speaker 8 All jokes aside.

Speaker 19 I know who really, who really hits the business.

Speaker 8 36, day 36. We've been shut down.

Speaker 8 Well, we, the government the american government has been shut down for 36 days we we all we all shut down yeah but look i mean look and i think the thing is people are fighting for these benefits to snap programs and and to try to keep uh uh uh uh

Speaker 8 the cost of of of of uh health care down because you got to realize before aca they call it a bomb care it's the american health care situation you do realize Companies can kick you off if you have a pre-existing condition.

Speaker 8 Oh, Joe, you got asthma. Now we're not going to insure you.
Oh, you've had cancer before. We're not going to insure you.

Speaker 8 Now, they can't do that.

Speaker 19 See, you won't have none of these problems with me in office.

Speaker 8 You won't have none of these problems with me in office.

Speaker 19 I'm here for the American people, huh?

Speaker 8 Everybody said they're for the American people until they get in office and then they're for an American self. Listen, is there anything

Speaker 8 anything?

Speaker 19 Is there anything I've ever said

Speaker 19 ever said, and then follow through with it? Think about it.

Speaker 8 You can't, Ocho. you can't because you can't get in there without the backing of that money.
Yeah, so

Speaker 19 I know people,

Speaker 19 can I tell you the people I know that had the money?

Speaker 19 Can I speak real quick, Joe?

Speaker 8 Sure, yeah.

Speaker 19 Listen, I have a very, a very strong

Speaker 19 existence down there in Mexico, right? You know, you know, brother Carlos Slim? Yeah, yeah, very good friend of mine.

Speaker 8 I'm telling you, you need to know Elon Musk. Hold on, you need to know, you need to go, uh, uh, uh, uh, Larry Ellison, you ain't finished.
You need to know Zuckerberg. You ain't let me finish.

Speaker 8 That's who you need to know.

Speaker 8 you need to know peter thieves that's who you need to know so you ain't even let me finish okay i got heavy hitters in my roller deck just like that maybe not to that magnitude but i'm talking about with the with the bees on the end huh you need no no no no no you do real you know how much elon musk is worth yeah i know like 500 million billion yeah okay you know how much you know how much larry ellis is worth yeah that's my homeboy larry you know zuckerberg

Speaker 8 yeah so you got to get in people with that ocho now their agenda

Speaker 8 they want deregulations right they want they want a system of no checks and balances

Speaker 19 yeah talk to me okay hey

Speaker 8 we ain't gonna talk we're gonna move on yeah yeah oh we don't want to make it a political show that matters

Speaker 8 clay thompson has been benched by the mavs d'Angela russell moved in the kids starting lineup didn't matter the mouth the mavs lost to a zionist pelicans tonight Clay has been struggling.

Speaker 8 He entered tonight shooting 31.8% from the field and 26% from the three this season while averaging eight points tonight. He scored 11 points tonight.
The Mavs are now two and six.

Speaker 8 Luca is averaging more points than Cooper Flag, Anthony Davis combined this season.

Speaker 8 Man,

Speaker 8 it's hard when you got a rookie out there playing point guard.

Speaker 8 He ain't no point guard. I know.
That's what I'm trying to say. You got a rookie out here playing point guard who is not a point guard, and Clay needs guys around him who can playmate for him.

Speaker 8 You know,

Speaker 8 he's not a guy now that you can just throw him the ball and be like, man, go get a fucking

Speaker 8 one. That's not what he is.
Nah, so when you got him surrounded by guys who really trying to ISO, get to the cup, and they're trying to get their own.

Speaker 8 If you just want to be, if you just want me to keep it 100. Yes.
And he's kind of, he's,

Speaker 8 he looked lost out there. If you ask me, okay, Ocho.
He does. Because look at, who can get in the ball?

Speaker 8 PJ Washington, that's not his role. Gaffert, that's not his role.
Lively, that's not his role. Cooper Flag ain't no point guard.
He's trying to get his own.

Speaker 8 The only guy really that can get in the ball, he was on the bench. And that's D'Angelo Russell.
Now Russell's on the court. Now he's on the bench.

Speaker 8 So what he should have done, and I understand, he should have took his ass to L.A. and had an

Speaker 8 opportunity to play with LeBron that can find a shooter in the corner that's going to get you excellent shots.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 8 I just think. with the unfortunates of you know kyrie not being there you know is it's it's obviously made his job a lot harder.

Speaker 8 He doesn't get the looks that he normally get because Kyrie can play make not only for himself, but the guys around him.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 man, yeah, like he just, he doesn't, he looks lost out there when I watch him play. I just see a lot of guys trying to get to the cup, going one-on-one.

Speaker 8 It's not really a system for him. No, it's not.

Speaker 8 And I don't know. I mean.

Speaker 8 I don't know whether Pride, I don't know if Golden State, what they offered, but he'd have been better staying in Golden State, taking less money.

Speaker 8 They weren't going to keep him in Golden State.

Speaker 8 Not at the money that he wanted, no. Right.
So that's an insult to him that he's the fact that he done won, what, four championships? Four championships. Man, he's like, hold on.

Speaker 8 He feels like they probably owed him some back pay. And the fact that they ain't want to pay him, he probably thinking.
But you do realize there was two years. He didn't do no play.

Speaker 8 Because remember, he tore his ACL and then he tore his Achilles. And they still kept him $30 million checks coming, Joe.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I mean, hey,

Speaker 8 because you got to realize that Steph, Steph, now they owe Steph because they got Steph on the cheek because his ankles were so bad. Yeah.
So they owe Steph.

Speaker 8 Steph should be able to play until he 40 and say, you know what? I ain't what I once was, but y'all owe me. Because there were times I was lighting it up and y'all was paying me chicken feed.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 Hey, they

Speaker 19 done made up for it, though, huh?

Speaker 8 No, hell no, not with Steph. Don't think so? Look here.
That's the most expensive franchise in the nba right 11 billion dollars

Speaker 8 they owe steph a billion

Speaker 8 they owe steph a billion

Speaker 8 joe lacum and peter gruber they owe steph a billion dollars yeah from what he has done for that franchise absolutely yeah because they were out look golden state they'd have a couple years uh they upset Who they upset?

Speaker 8 Was that the Mavericks? The AC, they upset the Mavericks.

Speaker 8 But for the most part, ain't nobody. Steph Curry really put them.
Look, when they had run TMC, when they had Mitch Richmond and Hardaway and

Speaker 8 Mullen. Chris Mullen.
Chris Mullen.

Speaker 8 But them guys had retired 20 years ago. Yeah.
Longer than. And Steph.

Speaker 8 Steph

Speaker 8 and Clay and Draymond.

Speaker 8 So. Draymond responded to Kevin Durant's recent comment saying that offense, not defense, is the key to winning championships.

Speaker 8 KD, who's two finals MVP alongside Green with the Warriors, recently claimed that elite offense is more important than team success. More important to team success, excuse me.

Speaker 8 But Draymond pushed back saying, if anything,

Speaker 8 it was like a head scratcher. I was like, huh?

Speaker 8 But on the flip side, it wasn't that much of a head scratcher because I know Kevin. I think when you look at any team that has won a championship, they had great defense.

Speaker 8 And if you look at most teams that couldn't quite get over the hump, oftentimes it was because they couldn't get stops. Those who don't believe defense is valuable, it is simply they don't win.

Speaker 8 I don't think anyone ever really been hell-bent on caring an opinion about those that don't win because of your opinion equals zero.

Speaker 8 I think, look,

Speaker 8 both could be true to an extent because when you get in the playoffs, The game slows down. And the teams that do have a guy or two who can go get his own, who can go get a bucket, that's valuable.

Speaker 8 That's very valuable. Also, I understand what Draymond's saying.
Yeah, you got to be able to get stops. You got to be able to guard your yard.

Speaker 8 You got to be able to play defense

Speaker 8 where you don't have to give as much help.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 Let me ask you a question. If I take KD off that 17, 18 team, the Warriors, so there's no KD.
It's Steph, Clay, and Draymond.

Speaker 8 And it's Kyrie, lebron and that staff the warriors beating them braun got he had two more championships thank you

Speaker 8 yeah i don't know if they remember in both game threes what kevin durant did it was kevin durant that hit the shots both games that was heard around the world he was the guy that could he couldn't stop lebron but he could match lebron point for point right now steph could go point for point with kyrie Now, Clay, they really didn't have anybody that could match up with Clay because that was the difference.

Speaker 8 You weren't stopping LeBron. Look at LeBron.
He averaged a 30-point triple-double.

Speaker 8 But everybody stopped KD. KD was going.
KD was the guy that when I needed a bucket, KD, okay.

Speaker 8 1-4. KD, go get your stuff.
Go get what you need. Because guess what, Uncle Ocho?

Speaker 8 You couldn't double-team him. You couldn't double-team KD.
Not with Steph? Not with Steph and Clay out there. You cannot double team him.

Speaker 8 So you have to live with the one-on-ones and you have to live with the results. You got to hope that man missed.
And he was unbelievable in them two finals runs, bro. He gets that ball at the nail.

Speaker 8 You cooked. It's a wrap.
You just got to hope he missed. Because you got Clay in one side, you got Steph on the other.
Now, what you're going to do? Where are you going to bring the double team from?

Speaker 8 He can't.

Speaker 8 That's why he was finals MVP two years in a row. Yes,

Speaker 8 you can't. You pull if he posts up.
He can pull, he could play with his back to the basket. He was the only guy.
He could get his shot.

Speaker 8 No, look, I believe you. Look, I believe Draymond, yes, you need defense.
Yes. But in basketball, you got that dog.
You got a guy that sometimes you don't think they try to play defense on Mike?

Speaker 8 You don't think they try to play defense on Kobe and Shaq?

Speaker 8 Shaq averaging 36 and 18. What defense you got to stop that?

Speaker 8 What you throw at him? Hey, look. And Kobe was right there with him, averaging 30.
Yeah. Mike averaging 36.
Kobe was averaging 30. I'm talking about in the playoff runs that they was having, man.

Speaker 8 That was just...

Speaker 8 Mike averaging 41 in the finals. What you going to do with that?

Speaker 19 Hey, and the funny thing, too,

Speaker 19 the way the game has changed, especially basketball where you play defense, defense is not the same as it was back in the day anyway.

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 19 I mean,

Speaker 19 I always hear the chirps and I always hear the grumblings about they don't play defense these days.

Speaker 19 And so is it really, is defense really that much of a factor when it comes to winning NBA championships?

Speaker 8 They're jacking up a whole bunch of damn shots, yeah.

Speaker 8 It's hey, look, it's almost like it's like the NFL, they done softened the game and made it made it uh possible for you know the quarterbacks, yeah.

Speaker 8 It's the same thing in the NBA, like no, you can't hand check no more. It's you know what I mean, like it's so many different variables to to enhance the game and make it,

Speaker 8 you know, what's happened, Ocho, yeah,

Speaker 8 what has happened?

Speaker 8 These guys are skilled so skilled yes and the game has been taken you know the uh the physicality so now it looks like man this guy better than jerry rice this guy better than uh randy moss this guy better than t o well they've taken the physicality out of the game and these guys are skilled yeah guys i mean guys are skilled i mean you know this thing called evolution yeah you know guys get better at things they they they study the old guys and they add to what those guys could do so now you take a Devontae Adams that can run right exquisitely without the physicality.

Speaker 8 He ain't got to worry about nobody putting that soup bone upside his head.

Speaker 8 Hey, Ocho, think about last week. How many one-hand catches you saw last week? I saw more one-handed catches in the first three, four weeks of the season than I was seeing a whole year

Speaker 19 in the NFL. Hey, Joe, you had to think.
You had to think twice.

Speaker 8 Okay, go up there one.

Speaker 19 Joe, you had to think twice during our day about going across that middle.

Speaker 19 Forget one hand, just having an understanding of where everybody's coming from before the snap of the ball so you knew exactly where it was coming from.

Speaker 19 Joe, I'm telling you, as reckless as I played, without a care in the world, I understood where everybody was coming from, Joe.

Speaker 19 I had to know because

Speaker 19 they're already trying to knock my head off because I talk shit before the game, throughout the week.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 19 I talk shit during the game. Joe, I got to know everything, Joe.

Speaker 19 What they doing out there today in today's game and the way the NFL has handicapped handicapped the game, where it's unbelievable, some of the plays, some of the players are making

Speaker 19 without caring,

Speaker 19 without worry.

Speaker 8 Without consequences and repercussions.

Speaker 19 With none.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Hey, look,

Speaker 8 when I first came into the league,

Speaker 8 there wasn't no fives and fours shooting threes. It wasn't.
Otwan Walker was the only guy.

Speaker 8 and he was a powerful he was the only guy shooting threes now if you can't shoot the three or catch it live you can't can't even play. You can't, nope.

Speaker 8 There's no post-up.

Speaker 8 You don't see many guys post-up now. Now, the guys who post up, they're the small, they're the guards.
You know what I mean? From like,

Speaker 8 you know, when I used to watch guys before I got in the NBA, I used to love watching, obviously, Michael Jordan, Penny Hardaway, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady.

Speaker 8 And those guys post up. Like, your scores post up.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 They're not throwing it down there to DeAndre A no 10, 12, 15 times a game. It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 8 You know what I mean? So if you can't shoot or catch a live now in today's game, it's going to be hard for you to play, brother. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So I think that that's what's happening is that, and these guys are extremely, extremely talented.

Speaker 8 But because of the physicality in both sports, it's been diluted somewhat. I think it gives us a false sense.

Speaker 8 And that's not to take anything away from these guys because I do think they're extremely talented. But, man, physicality, boy, you a you thought long and hard.

Speaker 8 You had a there are a lot of a there are a lot of prehistoric receivers had the T-Rex arm and the maligator on.

Speaker 8 I didn't want that. Hell no, boy.

Speaker 8 You go across the middle with Mike Singletary, and next thing you know, you looking at the ear, you looking at your ear hole

Speaker 8 because they

Speaker 8 I remember the first time I was retired, and I thought I saw a three-step slant route. And I was like, I know that guy just ain't run no three-step slant route.

Speaker 8 Boy, Joe,

Speaker 8 back in the 90s, the 80s, the 90s, you'd have ran that one time.

Speaker 8 I guarantee you, they couldn't have paid you enough money to run it again.

Speaker 8 Listen, listen.

Speaker 8 They put that helmet right here.

Speaker 8 Hey, Ocho, my rookie year, I played against Stockton and Malone.

Speaker 8 Pick it up.

Speaker 8 Ocho,

Speaker 8 I seen, I seen Malone coming down the middle of the lane. I was right up on the goal to take a chart.
I o laid that joint. I let him lay it up.
I let him.

Speaker 8 The man came in there with his knees almost at my face. I said, Look, coach took me right out the game.
He said, Hey, you got to take that chart. I'm like, Man, I need to.
No, I don't.

Speaker 8 I ain't for the same standing in front of that.

Speaker 8 No, sir.

Speaker 8 All right, Ocho Joe, it's time to play fade, play or fade presented by prize picks.

Speaker 8 all right here's the three pick power player ahead of thursday night football joe ocho bow nicks will throw for more than 218 yards who they playing the the raiders Oh, yeah. Hell yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 We'll have to deal with Max Cross because he goes he's going to be an issue.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 8 What they playing at?

Speaker 8 I'm going to take y'all's word for it, Joe.

Speaker 19 Where they playing at?

Speaker 8 They playing in Denver? In Denver. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 19 Hold on, that's your quarterback, and you're taking our word for it. You don't believe in him no more?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I believe in him. Okay, okay.
It sounds like you had some doubt over there. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 8 JK Dobbins, more than 72 yards rushing.

Speaker 19 I don't know about that one. That's on you, Aunt.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 I'm a little lyric about that rushing

Speaker 8 71. 71.

Speaker 8 How he's been playing,

Speaker 8 oh, he's been playing good. Oh, he's been balling.

Speaker 8 Oh, he, I think he's top 10 in Russian.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that man has.

Speaker 8 I got him. I got him at 72.
He'll get y'all at 72.

Speaker 8 Raiders do got a good run defense, though. I think.
What are the Raiders ranked rare defense, Ash?

Speaker 8 Hey, okay, OJ.

Speaker 8 15.

Speaker 8 16. So they're middle of the pack.
Middle of the pack. Yeah, we get 72.
We should get 72.

Speaker 19 That's all we need.

Speaker 8 Come on.

Speaker 8 Okay. Gino, less than 213 yards passing.

Speaker 19 Man, they let Jacoby go too, man.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I don't know if Gino's going to get that. You still got that? I got Brock Bowers.

Speaker 19 You still got Brock Bowers.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm going to say, no, he's going to get, no, he going over that. You think I'm going to have? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Man, I don't know. This I got caught up last week, the other day.

Speaker 8 We might get him, though.

Speaker 8 If we can put pressure on him, we might get him. We might sack him about 10 times, but sack him by 10 times, though.

Speaker 8 You know what? I'm going to go less. I'm going to go less.
We're going to sack it. We're going to sack it.
We're going to get his ass.

Speaker 8 Hey, man.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 we're going more on everything, Ash?

Speaker 8 He said, yeah, less. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, we're going more, more, less.

Speaker 8 I sure hope he ain't watching. $25 to win $150.
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Speaker 8 All right, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time to say Q and A.

Speaker 8 Ardino, Ocho, you can't say foot or ball.

Speaker 19 I mean, why? I mean, it's a new week.

Speaker 8 I mean, obviously, you can't say you can't say that until you win.

Speaker 19 Hold on, you can't say foot or ball after a 24-hour period.

Speaker 8 That goes out the window. No, at least

Speaker 8 foot or ball until you win another game.

Speaker 19 Life resets.

Speaker 8 No, it don't.

Speaker 8 Hannah said, Jalen is three for three from the hairline.

Speaker 8 All cardio said, oh, either the camera's playing trick or that intermittent fasting kicked in real.

Speaker 8 I watched yesterday's show and tuned in today. Like, hold up, what happened?

Speaker 8 What's your mind?

Speaker 8 I did only eat once today, though, man.

Speaker 8 But I don't think they intermittent faster.

Speaker 8 I think I'm going to start next week. Synergy Energy, how do you feel about Nick's opinion from

Speaker 8 the first things first, what he had to say about the Broncos? What do you say?

Speaker 8 What do you say, Sash? The Broncos aren't real?

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. You got to realize, Nick's from Kansas City.

Speaker 8 He's a Kansas City, and it's a great time to be a fan of Kansas City.

Speaker 8 But Nick knows, like I know, we used to beat the breaks off Kansas City.

Speaker 8 So it's by time y'all get some payback. But

Speaker 8 the Broncos will beat Kansas City when they come to Dem.

Speaker 8 Watch.

Speaker 8 Don't G say ranked these receivers one through four over the past 10 years. AB, Mike Evans, Larry Fitzgerald,

Speaker 8 Hopkins. Damn.

Speaker 8 It's close. One is close out of AB and Fitz.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Man, Ocho, this Ocho, this your expertise here.

Speaker 19 I mean, I'll probably go Larry Fitzgerald, then AB.

Speaker 19 And who are the other two?

Speaker 8 D-Hop and Mike Evans.

Speaker 19 Mike Evans and then D-Hop.

Speaker 8 Y'all heard it from the wide receiver extraordinaire. Adab Smith said, Colts got secondary that can compete any passing unit in the AFC.
The move to get sauce was to help stop Pat and Josh. Yeah.

Speaker 8 They can.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 that defense ain't going to mean anything if you turn the ball over six times. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Well, listen, and the funny thing about it, too, Uncle Joey, you think about it, the goddamn Colts turned the ball over six times and only lost by seven lost by seven only lost by seven so you take you take away two maybe three of those turnovers they probably still win the game you're right yeah tino davis said disappointed in my chiefs not getting brief hall yep

Speaker 8 i'm just i mean i'm not disappointed i'm a bronco fan i want them to have as little help as possible Philly talked with PA. High Roseman said multiple times, AJ wasn't going anywhere.

Speaker 8 I understand, though, you need clicks. Find it funny.
Media only tries to bring down Philly players. Love the show.
No, he said he wouldn't trade him now.

Speaker 8 We'll have this car.

Speaker 8 Oh, you think it's going to go away in the offseason? Oh, can you tell Philly talk with me?

Speaker 19 I don't think fans understand how the business works, huh?

Speaker 19 They don't.

Speaker 19 They're so caught up like in right now and what's going on.

Speaker 19 They don't understand how the business side of things work and how owners and those in positions that call the shots, they don't understand how they think.

Speaker 8 sheldon pope iso can coach cow discover and develop the next nba star at arkansas like he did in previous stops memphis and kentucky well y'all see the talent we got down there in arkansas

Speaker 8 hey yeah we we ranked 14 but we got some we got two two hold up or do forums but that money pay it off that chicken money pay it off honjo hello hello but we got some we got some nice we got some nice freshmen uh uh darius a cuff and uh malik Thomas, those freshmen have been, you know, total the scoring low, but we don't just got the freshmen.

Speaker 8 I mean, we got some other guys that's been around the block and know what it takes to win. And, you know, Kyle's going to get the talent down there.

Speaker 8 Now we just got to put it together and see if we can bring another national championship down.

Speaker 8 We overdo it.

Speaker 8 You, the new, you're a new Jorge Castillo said, Ojo, you're a new GM. Who are you taking?

Speaker 8 PS2 or Asante Samuel?

Speaker 19 Asante Samuel Jr. or PS2? I mean, which one?

Speaker 8 The senior.

Speaker 19 Oh, shit. Well, that's a good one there, boy.

Speaker 8 It is.

Speaker 8 Because senior was really good. Very.

Speaker 19 Hey, that goddamn senior gonna go at seven, put them heels in the ground. And dare you, I dare you.
He ain't even gotta be in your face. I dare you to throw it.

Speaker 8 Oh, that's a good one. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 19 Hey, listen, I'm gonna go with Asante.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 19 And great as

Speaker 19 P2 is right now, I'm going with Asante, bro.

Speaker 8 For him to be the size that he is, 6'2, 6'3,

Speaker 8 and the fluidity in which he moves on your plate. He can stab left, he can stab right, flip his hip, drop, drive.

Speaker 8 He's not. I don't know.
I mean, you probably got to go. I'm talking about big corner.
Mike Haynes was that was before your time.

Speaker 8 It was before my times, but I remember Mike to see a big corner like that long rangy

Speaker 8 that had that kind of technique. Aaron Lewis was a tall corner.

Speaker 19 Similar to Bobby Taylor.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Bobby Taylor.
But he was more

Speaker 8 fluid than Bobby. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Maybe more fluid than Bobby.

Speaker 8 Bobby was physical. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But

Speaker 8 the grace and the ease and the fluidness in which, man,

Speaker 8 that joke was portrait in motion, Ocho. Yeah, he made it.
Hey, you watch that joke? Hey, you watch that joke. He just sit there.

Speaker 8 Go ahead and do what you're going to do. Not damn.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 19 he not budging. He's not budging until you go.

Speaker 8 Okay, look, bro, you doing all this thing. Now, you do realize I know you're doing all this dance in this line.
You ain't going deep, right? So I ain't getting about this backpack.

Speaker 8 I just want you to know.

Speaker 8 Philip Turner,

Speaker 8 why the media make it like Sauce washed up? He just got to a Super Bowl contender. Watch how he about to turn up.
And Ward coming back.

Speaker 8 I bet if the Chiefs or the Bills had made the trade for Sauce, they would have been praised for it. The Colts, just not the team they're promoting.

Speaker 8 I'm not so sure one of those teams would have given up what they gave, but the Colts gave up. I get why the Colts did it.

Speaker 8 Bro, you do understand. Let me ask you this, Philip.
You think the Broncos would take two ones for Pat Sertan II?

Speaker 8 Hell no.

Speaker 8 You think the Texans giving up Stingley Jr.?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 you keep talking about that, but you have to ask yourself, in the middle of the season, after they just paid this man $120 million,

Speaker 8 you're not asking yourself the right question. You talk about why ain't nobody hyping it up and everybody done this.

Speaker 8 Because people looking like, well, damn, I'll give a bad person.

Speaker 8 What do the Coach know that we don't?

Speaker 8 What do the Jets know that we don't? They the one that signed him. You're a young corner.
He's a, what, two, three-time Pro Bowl player.

Speaker 8 And the team is willing to get off you four months after they gave you that?

Speaker 8 That's a disciple. Guess what? That's the thing I love about sports.
You get to prove it, don't you? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Every single week, you get to prove it. Yep.
And maybe you're right, Phillip. Maybe being in a different environment, being on a team that's winning, maybe that reignites him.
Man,

Speaker 8 it's hard to stay positive when you're getting your eyes beat out every damn week.

Speaker 19 As a matter of fact,

Speaker 19 speaking of proving it, there's a very, very big game that the Coast are playing this Sunday. I forgot who I forgot who they're playing, but it's a very good game.
God damn it.

Speaker 8 Oh no.

Speaker 19 Damn, it's the big Colts got a good game this Sunday, man.

Speaker 8 What's up, Uncle Ocho? Question.

Speaker 8 If Ocho was on your Broncos team back in the day, would you guys still get along? Would Coach Shanahan? Like, oh,

Speaker 8 oh, Ocho gonna be blocking.

Speaker 8 Blocking who?

Speaker 8 That corner? That safety.

Speaker 8 You know, in the West Coast system,

Speaker 8 look at Debo. Look at Jennings.

Speaker 8 You can't play in that system because that's the only way the running back's going to have success.

Speaker 8 Because you're trying to turn 10, 15-yard routes into 40, 50-yard touchdowns. And sometimes you have to knock DBs.

Speaker 8 Look at T.O.

Speaker 8 People don't realize how good a blocker T.O. was.

Speaker 8 T.O. be 50 yards downfield, blocking his.

Speaker 19 Hey, T, get a handle on you, boy. You ain't going nowhere, boy.

Speaker 8 Uh, yeah, I'd have had Ocho right. I'd had Ocho right.
Ocho to have some jewelry. Ocho to already been in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 8 He probably had to put some nuts inside his head, but you'd have had, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you don't come in here. You know, the Miami boy, they're coming there with some bulljive, man.

Speaker 19 You know what? I like it the way it is. I like, I like, I like it the way it is.
It's cool.

Speaker 8 It's cool.

Speaker 8 No, chill will.

Speaker 8 Do you guys think AD gets injured more from basketball or from celebrating after a good game? All right, nah.

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 he came into camp a little overweight, man. And

Speaker 8 if you use training camp to get in shape,

Speaker 8 you're going to have to deal with them soft tissue injuries. Yeah.
Because your body ain't used to carrying that.

Speaker 8 Hey, look.

Speaker 8 Ocho, in basketball, if you don't enjoy running,

Speaker 8 the game ain't going to be fun to you, man.

Speaker 8 You're going to deal with a lot of injuries, and that's going to take the love away. So

Speaker 8 I tell Cast, man,

Speaker 8 my son in college,

Speaker 8 he got his homeboys who get on the phone. How can they improve their game? Be in elite shape.
Go run it two, three miles. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Listen, I offer everybody my services, regardless of sports you play, to prevent soft tissue injuries, to prevent injuries in general.

Speaker 19 I mean, I've done all I can. I let everybody do it their way.

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Speaker 23 With Avis First, your rental comes with a personal concierge who meets you at arrivals, hands you the keys to a premium car, and refills it for you at market price when you're done.

Speaker 23 You've rented before, but trust me when I say you've never rented quite like this. Welcome to Avis First.
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