Nightcap Hour 1: Dan Quinn TO BLAME for Jayden Daniels’ INJURY? + Ocho’s BENGALS let him down AGAIN + Bills Mafia NEEDS to CALM DOWN
Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks beating the Washington Commanders, and the Chicago Bears come back and beat the Cincinnati Bengals, and the Buffalo Bills beat the Kansas City Chiefs and much more!
06:30 - Seahawks beat Commanders
20:22 - Bears beat Bengals
56:10 - Bills beat Chiefs
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Speaker 12 You feeling good? You feeling good, huh?
Speaker 2 Don't y'all love it when a plan come together? 42 points, Ocho?
Speaker 2 42? Wait a minute.
Speaker 12 I told you that was a problem. I mean, I explained that.
Speaker 2
The problem is, you played for the Bengal. That's the problem.
The only problem we have here, you played for the Bengals.
Speaker 12 Hold on. Wait a minute.
Speaker 12
Calm down. Calm down.
Listen, we, when I played, we had a decent defense. We had a middle-of-the-pack defense, so we didn't have these issues.
And when we were scored,
Speaker 2 middle of the pack offense, too.
Speaker 12 No, no, I offer. No, no, no, don't do that.
Speaker 12 That 2005 season, we was ranked number two, number three in the NFL. Don't do that.
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Speaker 12 Yeah, that's all that matters.
Speaker 12 You played 14 years.
Speaker 2 You only want you to. I did.
Speaker 12
Okay. You had me, you had maybe as a team, y'all had maybe three good years.
That was it.
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Speaker 2 The game that you just witnessed, the Seahawks beat the breaks off the Commanders by the score of 38 to 14. Sam Darnold was damn near flawless, 21 to 24, 330 yards, four touchdowns, one interception.
Speaker 2 He was not sacked. Oh man, that Jackson Smith and Jigba, it won't be long.
Speaker 2 It won't be long before we're talking about, hey, if you say a Chase and Jeddah are 1A and 1B, right? He damn near one, he won C.
Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Speaker 12 With the way he's performing this season, huh? He's definitely in that conversation.
Speaker 12 Can I tell you something? I just want to throw a little tidbit out there.
Speaker 12 You know, you notice all the players, all the players that came on down to the wide receiver workshop, you know, in July, you notice they having one hell of a season.
Speaker 12 They got damn JSN cut up the day he ate for 129, six consecutive games with a hundred yards receiving.
Speaker 2
I think he might be the next receiver to go get 300. He can get 300 big game.
If this game would have been close,
Speaker 2
oh, he's going to get, he'd had two in this game. Oh, absolutely.
If the game's close.
Speaker 12 Absolutely.
Speaker 2 The Seahawks moved to 6-2. Washington Falls to 3-6.
Speaker 2 And we're going to get into the ballgame, but I got one question that I want to ask DQ Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2 Why in the hell was Jaden Daniels in the game? You're down 38-7.
Speaker 2
This is why you remove your starter, especially. You can't remove all of them.
Some of your offensive linemen and some of the guys are going to have to play.
Speaker 2 But you get Jaden Daniels' ass out of there.
Speaker 2 He's been nicked all year.
Speaker 2 Why was he in the game? So you actually think you're going to score 31 points in eight and a half minutes?
Speaker 12 Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 That was not a hip-drop tackle.
Speaker 2 He was getting spun down and he tried to brace himself and that's normally what happened you see a lot of that happen when a guy if you go back and remember the heat uh celtics game rondo tried to brace himself and he dislocated his elbow that happens a lot just because someone gets injured that doesn't mean the play was illegal right that was not a hip-drop tackle but i just got one question i just need to know why in the hell was he in the game down 31 with eight minutes to go in the ball game that's all i need to know yeah but the seahawks look damn good that's going to be a very tough division the rams look good the rams look good damn near every week the 49ers look good today on the road with a mac jones filling in again for uh brock purdy yeah and the seattle with the way that defense got outfield and sam darnold is dealing right now man that's the cardinals notwithstanding but as a division i'm like man they look good that division is tough whoever comes out of that division right they will be battle-tested.
Speaker 2
And you don't want to play them in the playoffs. But go ahead, Joe.
Watching this game, what we'll talk about Washington after we talk about Seattle.
Speaker 2 What did you like about what you saw from the Seahawks?
Speaker 12
Hey, listen, the Seahawks look good, huh? They look good. They've done everything they can.
And there's a reason they paid Sam Donnell the way they paid him. I didn't know.
Honestly, I didn't know.
Speaker 12 I was kind of skeptical. I know what Sam Donnell did with Minnesota last year, but also
Speaker 12 what he had, the weapons he had with Addison, you know,
Speaker 12
goddamn Justin Jefferson. I'm saying, well, it was easy.
You put anybody, anybody back there, and they would look like that. But that goddamn JSN Unknown, he surprised me this year.
Speaker 12
He surprised me this year. Sam Dahl is goddamn dealing.
And again, I've said it time and time again. I'm like, I'm curious.
I'm thinking to myself, I'm scratching my head.
Speaker 12
I'm like, well, goddamn, what the hell is going on in Seattle? They unloaded off everybody. They let Geno Smith go.
They let Tyler Lockett go. They let DK Metcalf go.
Speaker 12
A player of his caliber, a player of his talent that I see as a number one top 10 in the NFL at that. Well, okay, well, then I'm confused.
Well, who do they got to lean on?
Speaker 12 Who do they have to lean on? And Lord have mercy. JSN has been cutting up since week one.
Speaker 12 I'm talking about cutting up since week one. If we were to talk about the top five receivers in the NFL today,
Speaker 12 JSN's name is probably the first one you mentioned. The first one you mentioned.
Speaker 2
He's playing unbelievable. Crazy work.
Man, he's so quick.
Speaker 2 I mean, he's sudden yes i mean you see him catch that you catch that uh uh he caught what we call a basic cross man you see him explode out of that i mean he's about to get up out of there oh joke yeah absolutely oh and the one uh sam darling hit the tight oh when he shuck him at the line and hat i was like oh my goodness yeah he nice with it and the funny thing about it
Speaker 12 and the funny thing about jsn he's not the fastest in the world he's not he's not a tyreek fast he's not he's not like a uh a jamar chase get the ball in his hands and he got that breakaway speed, but
Speaker 12 he is so good.
Speaker 2 He's more quick than fast.
Speaker 12 He's more quick than fast, and he's so good at the line of scrimmage and being able to manipulate the route running and give the illusion.
Speaker 12 He's doing one thing as opposed to the other, and he knows how to set everything up.
Speaker 12 He understands leverage, he understands coverage, and anytime they got one-on-one, anytime they got one-on-one, you get your late, you get your silly ass up there, you play bump and run, you're going to lose every time.
Speaker 12
And he showed it. That's why Sam Donald trusts him so much.
Anytime they got one-on-one, he checks up out of that. He's going straight to JSN every time.
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 He, uh, JSN is a real deal. Now, they didn't run the ball as well as they would have liked tonight, right? But they got everything they wanted in the passing game.
Speaker 2
Uh, Sam Donald was not under the rest, they couldn't pressure him. Uh, they so they got everything that they wanted.
You saw Horton, his first two catches were for touchdowns.
Speaker 2 You saw JSN, he got a touchdown. Arroyo, I'm just trying to figure, guys, are y'all gonna tackle anybody? What's up? What's up with all this shoulder thumping?
Speaker 2
Yeah, man, put put somebody on the damn ground. Everybody trying to get a big hit.
And what ends up happening is that when you hit him, you carry him, you make him go off somebody else.
Speaker 2 Happened in your game.
Speaker 12 Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 2 all you got to do.
Speaker 12 The tight end in the middle of the field? Yes.
Speaker 2 Just tackle him.
Speaker 12
Hold on. You know what? Then this is the problem.
Let me tell you why everybody's scared to hit. Let me tell you why.
Because the goddamn rules, the rules have handicapped the defensive players.
Speaker 12 They scared to actually play football like we used to play. They scared to hit people.
Speaker 12 Everything, everything is a
Speaker 12 flag.
Speaker 2 You can't hit him, you can't hit that.
Speaker 12 Oh, this is target. I mean, it's like it's reviewed.
Speaker 12 I feel you,
Speaker 12 I understand you, but sometimes we don't wrap up. If you hit him hard enough without wrapping up, you know what they do most of the time? Either they cough the ball up or they hit the goddamn ground.
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Speaker 12 Now you got receivers, you got tight ends. They feel so comfortable catching the ball across the middle because there's no threat and there's nothing to worry about anymore.
Speaker 12
There's nothing to worry about. You got receivers across the middle, hands on the hip, one hand in the air, because you can't hit them.
There's nothing to think about.
Speaker 12
When we played, you have to think about what's to come once you catch the ball in the middle. You already embraced the board.
You ready for it?
Speaker 2 Now, oh, man. I mean,
Speaker 2
think about how many times you've seen Bijan Robinson catch a one-hand pass. Drake London had about three of them today in the Patriots game.
Why? Because there are no consequences and repercussions.
Speaker 2
At all. And there were consequences and repercussions.
See, that's the only way you can learn. The only way you can learn a lesson is there has to be consequences from your actions.
Speaker 12 Absolutely.
Speaker 2 Absolutely. Because without consequences, there are no lessons to be learned.
Speaker 2 That being said, Washington, three and six. They got up to a shaky start.
Speaker 2
Jaden Daniels, 16 to 22, 153, no touchdowns, one interceptions. They had 36 rush attempts, 157 yards.
But
Speaker 2 you can't spot a team 28 points. 21.
Speaker 12 28, 21.
Speaker 12
Yeah, I don't know if you, you see, you don't play Madden, huh? You don't play Madden. Once you score 21 points, the game is over.
The game is over.
Speaker 12 Even the NFL, when you have a good defense like the Seattle Seahawks, that game was over. Once they went up 21 zip, it was a wrap.
Speaker 12 I knew at some point they were going to take their foot off the gas because it happens all the time. Coaches have some kind of goddamn pack where you're not going to run the goddamn score up.
Speaker 12 Hell, you had 28, what? It was 28 at the half, right? If I'm not mistaken, right?
Speaker 12 Yeah, 20 at the half.
Speaker 12 And they ended the game with 38 yeah only man listen they they they came off the pedal they started running the ball a little more and i mean they could have they could have put a 50 ball on if they wanted to mr
Speaker 12 mr mcdonald could have put a 50 ball on him if he wanted to
Speaker 2 it what happens is is that you get ahead and then the points come so easy yeah i mean they fumble the ball and the next play you're in the end in the end zone yeah and then you know you get a pick and the next thing you know the guy goes 60 yards for a touchdown so it's so easy right and it's like, well, damn.
Speaker 2 And then they just,
Speaker 2 and Washington really could, they were shooting themselves in the foot, illegal formation, a procedure. They were just doing a lot of silly, dumb stuff.
Speaker 2 And when a team is rolling like Sam Donnelly and the Eagles off, and excuse me, and the Seahawks offense was rolling, the last thing that you want to do as the opposing offense is put your defense right back on the field.
Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, I mean, they score a touchdown, they kick off, they pull it out, your defense right back on the field. Now, mind you, your defense just gave it up, just gave it up.
Speaker 2
And you don't want them right back out there. Right.
Turn the ball over on special teams. You turn the ball over on offense.
But look,
Speaker 2 this game was a blowout from the jump. The only thing now, I just got to ask DQ, and I'm sure the reporters are asking him, Dan, why was Jaden Daniels in the game at that point in the game?
Speaker 2
The game, for all intents and purposes, was over. I know, look, don't give me that.
It's not over until the whistle blows. Until you saw with Tom Brady, the score was 28 to 1 at the half.
Speaker 2
The score was not 38 to 7 with eight minutes to go. Right.
Jaden Daniels should not have been in that game. There is nothing to be gained.
What you try to do? Get him some cheap stats?
Speaker 2 Nah, hey, Mariota, you're up.
Speaker 2 That's what should have happened. Right.
Speaker 2
The guy, he, hold on. He missed a couple of weeks.
Didn't he miss last? Hold on. Didn't he miss last week's game, Jaden?
Speaker 2
Yeah. He missed last week's game.
He just got back. Yeah.
Speaker 12 Hey,
Speaker 12 what do you think happened to him?
Speaker 2 It looked like he dislocated his elbow.
Speaker 12 Shit.
Speaker 2 Because he's Ocho, he's going down and he's trying to brace himself. So all that weight and plus being slung down and you see,
Speaker 2
I dislocated mine. Yeah.
And the hat bent like this, it bent back up the other.
Speaker 2 It's really, really painful. It's really, really painful.
Speaker 2
I do believe he'll come back. He can come back and play this week.
It's normally a two to four week injury. I was
Speaker 2 four.
Speaker 2
Had to play with a brace. It's his non-throwing, so he should be fine.
The question is, how much pain can he endure and can he protect himself?
Speaker 12 Right.
Speaker 12 And also, also, when you're getting tackled like that, I know about the hip tackle. I mean, players have to learn to be able to fall.
Speaker 12
learn how to fall with the pressure. You go with it.
You don't fight against it. You know, there's no need to brace brace in that instance.
Just let your body go limp.
Speaker 12 Just let your body go and just be free.
Speaker 12 When you're in a relaxed state and you're not tensed up, you will be fine.
Speaker 12
There's somewhat of an art to it. It's somewhat of an art to it.
It's hard for me to explain. But as someone who played very recklessly, despite
Speaker 12 my small frame and small stature,
Speaker 12
I never got hurt. I understood how to fall and how to flow with tackles, understanding the size difference and goddamn physics, you know, for that matter.
And
Speaker 12
I was like Gumby. I got hit.
I got thrown around. I lost every battle.
Speaker 12 Trying to challenge people, but I never got injured because I understood how to fall and how to protect myself.
Speaker 2
The thing is, though, Joe, he didn't want to get thrown on his shoulder. Because you've got to realize they ain't got no shoulder strength.
They don't really do nothing upper body. Up or body.
Speaker 2
Because they want fluidity in their throwing motion. So they can't be tight up here.
So you look at quarterbacks. Quarterbacks got narrow shoulders.
That's why they're good at golf. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Because they don't have tight. We, I have to work, most people work out their shoulder because they want some up there, but that's not what a quarterback does.
A quarterbacks want, he wants fluidity.
Speaker 2
Yeah, you're right. So you can't be all, can't all be all tight up here.
That's why a quarterback, oh, he, no, no, no, no. I don't want, give me, give me somebody that got that shaped like a pear.
Speaker 2 That's what I want.
Speaker 2 I don't want no picture. Shaped like a what? If you're a quarterback.
Speaker 12 Shaped like a what?
Speaker 2 A pear. pair.
Speaker 2
Look at quarterback and pitchers. Now you see who, a golf, when they go to celebrity golf tournaments, you see who win? Pitchers and quarterbacks.
Right.
Speaker 2
A guy like a Steph Curry, basketball players, they don't really be lifting all this stuff up here. Right.
Because they want fluidity.
Speaker 2 But
Speaker 2 most,
Speaker 2
I'm shocked. that they left Jaden Daniels in the game down 31 points with eight minutes to go.
What do you hope the game? Well, you know, he missed last week.
Speaker 2 No, no no no no no no no no yeah hold on bro you better get him some reps in practice because you got to realize you can't control a game right they still trying to tear his damn head off
Speaker 12 yeah
Speaker 2 in a in a game in a practice you can control it they get close you blow the whistle he got a red jersey or a black jersey on meaning he's off limits to be touched right but in an actual game
Speaker 2 They still going full speed, don't you?
Speaker 2 And most coaches, most coaches in that situation would have removed Jaden Daniels from the game.
Speaker 12 Absolutely.
Speaker 2
He should have been removed from the game. There was nothing.
There was absolutely nothing. Nothing to gain.
Except what you got.
Speaker 12 Nothing to gain.
Speaker 2
To be gained. An injury.
That's what could be gained, and that's what you got. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2
Dang. But Seattle looked good, man.
That's going to be a
Speaker 2
Seattle with Seattle and the Rams, them quarterbacks, the way their quarterbacks played. Hey, they did.
And you got Puka back. Now, Puka got dinged too.
Speaker 2
He got slammed on his shoulder. Yeah.
You see, he left. I don't know if he came back in, but he and Devontae was dealing.
Devontae had, I think, another two-touchdown game today.
Speaker 12 See, that's back-to-back that can play.
Speaker 2 Hey, Matthew Stafford's playing as good, if not better, than what he played in that Super Bowl year.
Speaker 2 Ocho, Ocho, Ocho's, hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up. Yeah,
Speaker 12 hey,
Speaker 12 hey, take your time now.
Speaker 12 I know you're feeling good. I know you're feeling good.
Speaker 2 I feel Tony the Tiger. Great.
Speaker 2 Now,
Speaker 2 where were we?
Speaker 2 Now, I mean, I know y'all gonna put that on the defense.
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Speaker 12
Whoa, whoa, whoa, who you gonna wait, wait, wait, wait. You stop right here.
Who are you gonna put it on?
Speaker 2 Please explain who you're gonna put it on. Did y'all have any turnovers?
Speaker 12 Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 How many turnovers did you have?
Speaker 12 Two.
Speaker 12 Oh, it was three?
Speaker 2
Okay, okay, let me ask you a question. Okay, we asked.
Did those turnovers help or hinder your ability to win this game? Did they help or hinder? It hindered.
Speaker 2 It hindered.
Speaker 2 So let's just say, for the sake of argument.
Speaker 12 Talk to me.
Speaker 2 Instead of having three turnovers, you have one and you scored a field goal or you score a touchdown. Could this have been different?
Speaker 12
Yeah, we would have won the game. But you know, it's a game of football.
Uncle, there were three turnovers. We still put ourselves in position to win the game.
We were in position to win the game.
Speaker 12 And you know what happened?
Speaker 12 You know what happened? Our defense let us down again.
Speaker 12
Our defense let us down again, even with those turnovers. We were in position to win the game.
Unknown, the Bengals are the first team since 1960 to score 38 points in back-to-back games and lose.
Speaker 12 Goddamn Joe Flacco, 170 years old, and threw for 470 yards, and we still lost the game.
Speaker 12 Defense, again,
Speaker 12 which has always been our Achilles heel, over and over and over again, time and time and time again, year after year after year. I understand that the offense is our identity.
Speaker 12
It's always been our identity. Even back to when I was playing, we have always been an offensive team, an offensive unit.
But at some point,
Speaker 12 you got to compete. You got to play.
Speaker 12 You got to want to.
Speaker 2 to all your money is tied up on offense it doesn't matter where you have to win the game
Speaker 12 hello hello hello
Speaker 12 let me ask your question we scored 38
Speaker 2 how many let me ask you a question
Speaker 2 how many 20 million dollar defensive players do you guys have
Speaker 2 one you got 330 million dollars you got two thirty million dollars that play the same position just opposite of each other and you got a 50 million dollar quarterback so where is all your money tied up
Speaker 12 On offense.
Speaker 2 I mean,
Speaker 12
hold on. Wait a minute.
Uncle, that's our identity, though. I mean, every team is like that.
There's no team
Speaker 12
that's damn near even like that. Look at the Cleveland Browns.
Where's all their money tied up? On the defensive end. Yes.
Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 So guess what you're going to have to do? So guess where you have to win the games at?
Speaker 12 Offense.
Speaker 12
We're scoring 38. This is the NFL.
Uncle We scored 38 two.
Speaker 2 You got to score 48.
Speaker 2 Huh?
Speaker 2 You scored 42 with three turnovers. If you don't turn the ball over, how many you score, OJ?
Speaker 12 She was about a 50 ball and some change.
Speaker 2 Exactly. 50 ball wins you the ball game.
Speaker 12
But listen, chat is that right? Listen to this. Hey, chat.
Y'all stop laughing, too. I know y'all probably laughing, too.
This ain't no laughing matter because I'm pissed off today.
Speaker 12
Hey, listen, we kicked off. We had a kickoff return for a TD.
We had a block field goal. On-site kick recovery.
We had 500 yards of offense, two wide receivers, 100 plus yards, 15 points.
Speaker 12 We scored 15 points in less than a goddamn minute.
Speaker 12 42 total points scored.
Speaker 12 42 portal points.
Speaker 12
If you were to read off what I just said to somebody who didn't watch the Bengals game, the first thing you're going to say, oh, well, goddamn, all that. I know y'all won.
42 points and we still lost.
Speaker 12 Yes. Despite the turnovers.
Speaker 12
Despite the turnover, but this is the game of football. You want to minimize the errors as much as possible.
That's why we practice. We practice to minimize the errors as much as possible.
Speaker 12 But they happen, huh?
Speaker 12
They happen. It's football.
As much as you practice, you want to be as perfect as possible, but shit happens. And it happened today.
Matter of fact,
Speaker 2
it shouldn't have been that close anyway because, oh boy, Edmonds picked that ball off. Y'all got a touch that man down.
That should have been a touchdown to the house.
Speaker 2 House tall.
Speaker 12 Hey, honestly, I'm numb to it.
Speaker 12 I'm numb to it.
Speaker 12
I'm so numb to it. I'm numb to it.
Like,
Speaker 12 you know how you go through something so much in life and and it happened to you so much often it's like you know what at this point i don't even care no more like i i don't even i don't i don't even care no more like i i care i care to an extent but i mean this is back to back the jets um the jets last week and then on top of that and then on top of that the bears Like, come on, man.
Speaker 12 And listen, the Bears ain't no joke because, hey, um,
Speaker 12 hey, um.
Speaker 12 Talk to me real quick. Before the season started, who are the two teams I said everybody needs to watch out for this year?
Speaker 2 Bears and the Panthers. Okay.
Speaker 12 So again, I'm not talking trash about the Bears because I already said I knew what they were going to look like.
Speaker 12 I knew what they were probably going to do with the addition of Ben Johnson as offensive coordinator and head coach caught in those plays with Caleb Williams and the talent that he has.
Speaker 12
But come on, man. Two weeks in a row.
scored over 38 points and lost both games. And oh, come on, Madify.
Speaker 12 Listen to me.
Speaker 12
they just said, they just had a defensive meeting. They just had a players-only defensive meeting this past.
Who did? They was doing the Bengals.
Speaker 2
They was doing it. They was talking about what costume.
They was talking about the outfits that they were going to wear to the game. They ain't discussed no game player.
Speaker 12 Man, listen, man.
Speaker 2
At some point, when hey. You're talking about the Halloween party.
Hey, what you going as? Yeah.
Speaker 12 Hey, when it comes to tackling, sometimes it's just about want to. It's about want to.
Speaker 12
It's about want to. It's about wanting to get the individual.
Putting the hat on a pad. You're wearing pads for a reason.
Put your goddamn pads on somebody.
Speaker 12
Wrap up. If you ain't going to wrap up, make sure it's clean.
Keep your eyes open. Before you make contact, everybody close your eyes.
Do your best Mike Singletary job as possible.
Speaker 12
Open your eyes wide open. Make the tackle.
Ensure it.
Speaker 12 God damn.
Speaker 2 The Bengals scored two touchdowns in the span of 49 seconds to erase a 14-point lead.
Speaker 2 But the Bears pulled their fifth win of the season season when Williams delivered a 58-yard touchdown to rookie tight end Colston Loveland with 17 seconds remaining.
Speaker 2 The Bingles are the first team in the Super Bowl era to allow 500 plus yards and 38 plus points and have zero takeaways in consecutive
Speaker 2 games. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Chase Brown had to say after this game.
Speaker 18 We just got to play complimentary football. Like we put the ball in the end zone and go up a point at the end, finish the game.
Speaker 18 Like just end it like that's it like that's that's like that's what we need to do just end the game like
Speaker 18 make them make them get us the ball back let us go to 22 victory and let's end the game that's how that's like that's how i feel
Speaker 2 if he said that because let me tell you how how how we are go ahead as an athlete when you're frustrated What you say publicly is not nearly as bad as what you say behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely not. It's not nearly as bad as when you're in the shower or when you walk in the locker room, you a you saw Chase walking off the field in the tunnel saying one F and stop.
Speaker 2 But he said, I can't say too much because I don't want to.
Speaker 2
Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it.
Don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 2 But
Speaker 2 look,
Speaker 2 you're talking to a guy that can speak from experience.
Speaker 12 Yes, sir.
Speaker 2 Because I was on that 2000 Ravens team.
Speaker 2 We went five weeks and didn't score a touchdown.
Speaker 2 Let that sink in for a second, chat. We went five weeks.
Speaker 2 Five. one two three four five we didn't score a touchdown yeah
Speaker 2 and it could have splitted the team but at the time
Speaker 2 myself rod and ray we did everything together and i told me and he i said ray y'all have been outstanding but the thing that i love about football
Speaker 2 They don't take units to the Super Bowl. They take teams.
Speaker 2 So now what you can do is be supportive publicly. Yes.
Speaker 2 We're going to get our things fixed.
Speaker 2
We're not going to be the Minnesota Vikings of 1980, 98. We're not going to score 35.
That's not what we are.
Speaker 2 But we can do a better job of taking care of the football. Give y'all week A.
Speaker 2
Y'all will have to make 14 or 17 stick. Because we're not going to be putting up no 30s.
I'm just going to tell you right now. So if you're looking for a 30-something, that ish ain't happening.
Speaker 2 So get your mind that says, says, hey, they're going to give us a 10-point lead, and we might have to make 10 stick. Yeah.
Speaker 2 But complaining and publicly,
Speaker 2
stick together. Yeah.
Stick together. I know it's frustrating.
Hell, I'm frustrated. Because we're coming out the field and the fans booing, but they don't know I'm booing too.
Speaker 2
They're like, man, you hear him booing? Yeah, I hear him booing. I'm booing right along with him.
Yeah.
Speaker 12 I mean, listen. Because we suck.
Speaker 2 Because we did.
Speaker 12 Yeah. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 12 offensive players have to understand, you got to be be careful what you say, especially, you know, as an offensive player, you got to be careful what you say.
Speaker 12
Because, listen, it's going to come games. We still got a long, we got to head.
We got a long season to go.
Speaker 2 It's going to be games, Ocho.
Speaker 12
Hey, we got a long season to go, and you don't want to be making mistakes. And you have defensive players calling out the offense as well.
So
Speaker 12 it can get real petty.
Speaker 2
It doesn't always work out like that. When guys complain about the ball, they throw it to him.
What happens, Ocho? They drop it. Drop it.
Speaker 12
You drop it. Yep.
I mean, things can get real petty in that locker room. They don't need the splinter.
I think Chase Brown and, you know, Jamar, you got to be careful with some of the things you say.
Speaker 12
Be supportive of your defense, even though you are losing. Some of the things you really want to say, don't say it.
You know, keep it in your head.
Speaker 12
Just be supportive as much as possible because things are going to turn around. Maybe not for the better, but they're going to be games where the defense plays well.
And then the offense is shit.
Speaker 2 It's going to be.
Speaker 2 You remember when y'all went to the Super Bowl? Joe Burrow got sacked nine times at Tennessee. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Defense took the ball away. Look at what they did in Kansas City, took the ball away.
Speaker 2
Look, now the way you guys are set up, you guys are set up, you basically, and it's hard to play like that. I told you this last year.
I say,
Speaker 2 Joe knows that if I leave anything on my plate, they're going to eat it.
Speaker 2 So
Speaker 2 I've got, oh, Joe, I got to clean the plate. Yeah, which means every possession, he got a damn near score.
Speaker 2 He got a damn near score because his defense,
Speaker 2
they don't take the ball away. They don't generate pressure.
I mean,
Speaker 2 I'm looking at this game. I'm like,
Speaker 2 y'all are just bad.
Speaker 2 I mean, they're just bad. Now,
Speaker 12 this nigga, oh, shoot, my bad.
Speaker 2 I'm tripping.
Speaker 12 This dude, Flacco, was 31 for 47, four TDs, and 470 yards.
Speaker 12
470 yards at 47 years old. T.
Higgins has seven for 121 in the TD.
Speaker 12 I don't even know what Chase, two TDs. I don't even know what Chase numbers was earlier.
Speaker 2 Six for 111.
Speaker 2 Brown had eight for 75.
Speaker 2
Iso had five for 66. Hudson had two for 42.
Noah fan had two 28 on a tub.
Speaker 2 And Tinsley had one for 27.
Speaker 12 Hey, that guy, hey, man, that flacco is dealing, boy. Like, it's like,
Speaker 12 for us to play the way.
Speaker 12 For us to play as well as we are offensively, despite the woes, despite the turnovers, you want to do everything you can to minimize those because you understand that our defense is not that good.
Speaker 12 We're not that good on any level, whether it be the back end, hell, the second level, hell, the front level for that matter. You know,
Speaker 12 no disrespect to the boys, but I mean, it just is what it is. Offense is.
Speaker 12 Go ahead.
Speaker 12 I'm going to say, offense,
Speaker 12 as well as they play today, you just can't turn the ball over because you can't make up for it.
Speaker 2 Knowing what you know how poor your defense is,
Speaker 2 what's the last thing that you want to do? Turn the ball over and put this sorry ass back out there.
Speaker 2 Because the thing about it, Ocho, if they're driving the field, if they're driving 75, 80 yards, what's going to happen if you give them a short field? If you can't stop them from going 75, 80,
Speaker 2 what makes you think you can stop them from going 30?
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 You're not.
Speaker 12 You're not.
Speaker 2
I mean, they run it. Man, they run it.
They run it. Hey, it's the first time.
How long? I forgot how long they said it's been. A quarterback caught two passes in a game.
Speaker 2 That's what they're doing to y'all. They're throwing passes to the quarterback, not one, two.
Speaker 12 Understand, you know, that's that Ben Johnson creativity.
Speaker 2 That's that Ben Johnson. That's what I do for y'all because I know y'all can't stop nothing we do.
Speaker 2 Nothing.
Speaker 2 Who would even subject their quarterback
Speaker 2 to possibly getting
Speaker 2 uh uh hold on? Remember RG3 tried to catch a pass against the Steelers? RG3 laid him out on the sideline.
Speaker 12 He got hit, yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, that's what you do. They said, no, they ran a screen.
Oh, yo, I get it. On the goal line, you lose sight.
I mean, they hand it to the guy, and he tossed it to DJ Moore.
Speaker 2
DJ Moore threw a touchdown. Yeah.
They ran a screen
Speaker 2 with a quarterback.
Speaker 12 Hold on, you understand the point of that play is to confuse the defense. You get them going one way and you get him going another way.
Speaker 12 And whoop, the quarterback always sneaks out the back end because eyes, eye discipline,
Speaker 12 eye discipline, you put your eyes in the wrong place, all of a sudden you lose the man you're supposed to have.
Speaker 12 Most of the time, when you see reverse and it go one way, and then the ball comes back the other, you lose the quarterback. You lose the quarterback in where he is.
Speaker 12 That's why he was wide open like that. That's why it's called a trick play.
Speaker 12 I think it might have worked. It might have worked on any team, especially down there at that time.
Speaker 2 Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 Somebody's already responsible for the quarterback. When you run the bootleg, it's the defensive end.
Speaker 2 Or if somebody has the quarterback. Oh, he got
Speaker 12 sucked in.
Speaker 12 Well,
Speaker 12 he done crashed down on the goddamn sweep, the toss.
Speaker 2
That ain't his responsibility. You see what you see? You see what happens? If you try, look here.
If I do my job and something goes awry, I did my job.
Speaker 2 Because the last thing I want to do is do somebody else's job, and then all of a sudden my job goes attended, unattended. Who they gonna blame, Ocho?
Speaker 2 Exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2 that's not your responsibility damn do your responsibility ocho today y'all gave up y'all y'all gave up damn near 300 yards rushing and 300 yards passing hey that wasn't necessary we know that part and did you you didn't have to bring that up we know that we 37 for 283 did y'all pinch them did y'all trip somebody i'd tripped somebody uh i i know i know
Speaker 12 And
Speaker 12 I'm upset too.
Speaker 2 Stop all that running in the hall.
Speaker 2
They don't even get no hall pass. You didn't have a hall pass.
You know, you have to get a pass to be in the hall.
Speaker 2
They're in y'all's house and they got no hall pass. You're right.
They just running. Y'all ain't trip them.
Y'all ain't pinch them. Y'all ain't do nothing.
Speaker 12 We're going to be all right, though.
Speaker 2 We're going to be all right, though.
Speaker 2
No, you're not. No, you're not.
I kept, I told you this. I say, by the time Joe Burrow is healthy enough to come back, y'all might as well leave him.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 You might as well leave him where he is. Hey,
Speaker 12 you know we on the bad week, huh?
Speaker 2 Y'all probably give up 40 on that one.
Speaker 2 I bet y'all give up 40 points in the bye week.
Speaker 12
Hey, hey, boy, hey, that hurt, boy. Hey, boy, watching that game today.
Well, that hurt.
Speaker 12 To be able to come back like that, the score the amount of points we did.
Speaker 12
The scored amount of points we did in a short time span, down 14, come back. Oh, you know what? We got this one sealed up.
And here we go. Three people.
Three people
Speaker 12 surrounding the rookie tight end and nobody brings them down.
Speaker 2 Carl, everybody tried to go for the big hit. Get him on the ground.
Speaker 2 Hey,
Speaker 2
the rule of thumb is Ocho live to see another day. Yeah.
That's all. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Live to see another day.
Speaker 12 Hey, but that's that's
Speaker 12 I don't even know what to say.
Speaker 2 I mean, Tyler Bachet,
Speaker 2 he completed the pass.
Speaker 2 DJ Moore
Speaker 2 completed the pass.
Speaker 2 I mean, even Cole Quebec tried to throw one.
Speaker 2
I mean, how many people that, I mean, think about that, chat, for just a second. They allow four people to attempt a pass in an NFL game.
Not Park Warner, not college,
Speaker 2 not
Speaker 2 intramural in college.
Speaker 2
In an NFL game. Yeah.
With the NFL logo, they allow tight ends and receivers to throw a pass against the Bengals.
Speaker 2 It's embarrassing, Ocho.
Speaker 12
Listen, it's embarrassing. It is.
It is. It is.
There's not much I can do. I've done all I can to try to defend it.
Speaker 2 You can't do nothing.
Speaker 12
I know. And I've done all I can to try to defend it.
I can't even defend it at this point, huh? Like, it's trash. It's trash.
Speaker 12 What we're displaying, what we're putting out there is...
Speaker 12
The players aren't playing well, and it makes Zach Taylor look bad. It makes the coaches look bad because there's no way in hell.
Well, did you practice all week?
Speaker 12 Well, did you do anything defensively? Offensively, they showing up every goddamn week.
Speaker 2 I mean, CJ Gardner Johnson get off his couch and come get a sack. The man,
Speaker 2 he came in and just off the couch.
Speaker 2 Sack.
Speaker 2 Damn.
Speaker 12
I'm numb to it at this point, man. Last year.
Don't be numb. Hey, listen.
Speaker 12 Last year around this time.
Speaker 12
Last year around this time, two back-to-back losses like this, I would have been on the show in tears, man. I can't even cry no more.
I'm all
Speaker 12 hey, listen, I'm all cried out.
Speaker 12 I can't even cry no more.
Speaker 2 I can't even see Lisa Lisa and Cole Jam, all cried out. I am.
Speaker 12 I am. What you know about that?
Speaker 2 What you know about that?
Speaker 12 Hey, what you know about Lisa Lisa and Cole Jam, boy? What you know about that?
Speaker 2 That's my era.
Speaker 2 What I know.
Speaker 12 That's that jam, man.
Speaker 2 I mean, Ocho, the fact of the matter is, and I know, look, defensively, you had the situation, but you know, your defense is porous. You can't turn the ball over.
Speaker 2 You still turn the ball over three times.
Speaker 2 How many points did they score on those turnovers?
Speaker 2 Let's see.
Speaker 2 They were 8 of 15 on third down. They were 2 or 2 on fourth down.
Speaker 2 They had 576 total yards and 11 drives.
Speaker 2 Y'all had three turnovers, two interceptions.
Speaker 2 Y'all had a special teams touchdown?
Speaker 2
They scored three points off of. How many? Three.
Three.
Speaker 2
They only scored three points off. So your defense did do something.
They only held them to three points off the turnovers. Yeah.
Speaker 12 Mr., I mean, A.
Speaker 12 one of those reverses you're going to have to came to.
Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, that we don't count that pick, that pick.
Speaker 2 So they had two turnovers. So we ain't going to,
Speaker 2 we're going to, we ain't going to even count that last interception on. Okay.
Speaker 12
All right. Appreciate that.
So we had two, but still,
Speaker 12 you know, you don't want them. You can't.
Speaker 2 You can't.
Speaker 2 Hey, who, huh? In the red zone, they were four or six. You were two for four.
Speaker 12 Two for four, yeah.
Speaker 12 Damn.
Speaker 2
Kicking field goals in the red zone, get your beat, get your ass kicked, get your beat. Scoring touchdowns in the red zone, you kick somebody else's ass.
Yeah,
Speaker 12 damn.
Speaker 2 Don't cuss. Call Gus.
Speaker 2
I feel good. I feel good.
I know you do.
Speaker 12 I know you do. I know you feel good.
Speaker 12 Listen, there's not much I can do.
Speaker 2 Yeah, they're not. So good.
Speaker 2 So good. I got you.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 12 It is what it is.
Speaker 2 You would the Broncos world
Speaker 2 and it wouldn't be nothing
Speaker 2 if the Bengals didn't suck.
Speaker 12 It's all good.
Speaker 2 What do you mean it's all good, Ocho?
Speaker 12 Our offense is better than y'all.
Speaker 2 Ojo.
Speaker 2 Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's what we doing now?
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 12 I'm just saying. What's our record?
Speaker 2 Oh, look, our record is 7-2. What's your record?
Speaker 12 Shit, we 3-6 now. Huh? 3-6?
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 12 It's all good.
Speaker 2 It ain't looking good for y'all.
Speaker 12 I know. I know it's not.
Speaker 2 You know good.
Speaker 12 It's all good.
Speaker 12 It's all good. We'll be ready next year.
Speaker 2 Yeah. I told you.
Speaker 12 I'm preparing for next year.
Speaker 2
I told you. I say the Bing.
I say y'all will lose to the Jets and y'all will lose to the Bears. Yeah.
Are you able to?
Speaker 2 I just wanted to tell me, hey, chat, do y'all know what happened to Brother Brownie?
Speaker 2 You know, Brother Brownie.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 What happened to him?
Speaker 12 He's right there on the bench.
Speaker 12 Yeah, you see Flacco Dealing each week, though.
Speaker 2 I don't care nothing about that. I don't care about the most stats.
Speaker 2
Hey, it is. Yeah, y'all like my hat.
This is a,
Speaker 2 I think, Hispanic Heritage Month for the NFL.
Speaker 2 I'm be giving this hat away.
Speaker 2 See, I signed it:
Speaker 2 84, HOL, three-time Super Bowl champ.
Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't nobody want that.
Speaker 2 Whoa, I guarantee you, don't nobody want no bingles merch.
Speaker 12 Yeah, if my name on it, they do. They don't want no bingles merch.
Speaker 12
This is the thing. Hold on, stay with me real quick.
As bad as we plan, right?
Speaker 12 As bad as we plan,
Speaker 12 defensively, however it is, whatever it may be,
Speaker 12 like that, that A5,
Speaker 12 that A5, any memorabilia, hats, jerseys, it's still a great representation
Speaker 12 of that organization, whether they're winning or whether they're losing.
Speaker 2 Do you know what the number one selling thing is in Cincinnati right now? Ocho?
Speaker 2
Brown paper bags. Because don't nobody want to know that they're a Beagle fan.
They put bags over their head. That's the number one selling thing in Cincinnati.
Wait, wait a minute.
Speaker 12 No, no, no, no.
Speaker 12 No, no.
Speaker 12 not the not with the offense playing as well as it is.
Speaker 2 You losing. Hey, chat, you hear? You see how he separates? You see the difference.
Speaker 12 I don't have a choice but to separate it. I ain't got no choice.
Speaker 2
So what did you do? So let me ask you a question. Y'all scored 42 points.
Y'all was two or four in the red zone. So what happened on those other two possessions?
Speaker 12 And every time we come on here, we talk about the Bengals. I say, what's the problem that we always have? What has always been our Achilles heel? It's been our defense.
Speaker 12 If we score 50, the other team scored 55. If we score 60,
Speaker 12 the other team score 50.
Speaker 2
How did you get that 50, though? So let me ask you a question. When you was in the red zone, you scored 50.
If you scored two more, if you scored two touchdowns on that, now you got 60.
Speaker 12
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The other team gets paid too.
Every time you get to the goddamn zone.
Speaker 2
Y'all get paid. You should have scored in the red zone.
I mean, field goal. Kicking field goal.
And remember, Chicago missed the field goal bad.
Speaker 2 Bad.
Speaker 12 You didn't hear me, though.
Speaker 12 Every time you get to the red zone, you know, it's that much more difficult to score once you get down there.
Speaker 2 There's not much that.
Speaker 12 Why would it be so difficult when y'all got piled off wait a minute y'all got chase y'all got higher wait a minute y'all got iso y'all got north fans y'all got chase brown y'all got flacco wheeling and dealing why would it be so difficult i'm gonna tell you why i'm gonna tell you we wheeling deal in the open field when you get down in the red zone there's not that much room as though it's only so much you can do it becomes that much more difficult to score in the red zone you know that once you go inside the 20 oh it gets tough You understand that?
Speaker 2
I don't want to hear nothing about no labor pains. Okay, it's cool.
Deliver me a healthy baby. I'm going to rub your head, baby, and tell you everything's going to be okay.
You're doing amazing.
Speaker 2
I got this Range Rover lined up for you. You got a Birkin bag coming.
Just bring me a healthy Shannon. That's all.
Okay. I don't want to hear nothing about what you're talking about.
It's all good.
Speaker 12 It's all. Listen,
Speaker 12 I'm like a chick in a relationship that checked out, man.
Speaker 12 I'm mentally checked out.
Speaker 2 But you already do.
Speaker 2 I do that. When you checked in, I know you came for no good reasons.
Speaker 12 Yeah, I'm checked out. Hey, it's still my team.
Speaker 12 It's still my team. It's just like, it's just.
Speaker 2
Well, it's just what? It's never just. No, my heart.
It's never just. There's always a reason.
Is it my heart? Do you get in your car and just sit there? Or do you get in your car to go to the gym?
Speaker 2 Or do you get in your car to go to the airport? Or do you get in your car to go take your lady out to eat? So it's never just. There's always a reason.
Speaker 2 So what is the reason you giving up on your team?
Speaker 12 We playing bad.
Speaker 12 It's hurting me. It's hurting me.
Speaker 12
Yeah. You know, sometimes, sometimes you got to learn to let go.
Sometimes you got to learn to disconnect. Like Wi-Fi, like Bluetooth.
You got to.
Speaker 2 No, don't let go. Don't let go.
Speaker 12 No,
Speaker 2 I'm saying letting out
Speaker 12 letting go to the point where the losing, it doesn't affect you personally. See, because it was
Speaker 2 in you.
Speaker 12 Listen.
Speaker 2 I just want to know: is the bingo, is it on you or is it in you? Oh, it's because if it's on you, you can brush it off. But if it's in you, it hurts.
Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2
It hurt. It hurt.
Like Shade say, it hurt like brand new shoes. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2
You know how brand new shoes hurt. Yeah.
You couldn't wait to get somewhere you could take your shoes. Make sure you feel fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.
Most definitely. Yeah, but listen,
Speaker 12 once you become numb, huh?
Speaker 2 No, you ain't numb. Because ain't no Novocaine.
Speaker 2
You ain't got no Novocaine. You ain't got no Xylocane.
You ain't got no Marcane. You ain't got no...
No, none of that.
Speaker 2 I need you to feel this.
Speaker 12 I can't. I can't feel it no more, huh?
Speaker 2 Huh?
Speaker 12 Huh? I can't, I can't. Hey, Uncle I can't
Speaker 2 i can't feel now i pinched myself i can't even feel that i can't feel pain right now you love your bangles i do i do see love is the only thing that's worse than death because you allowed to feel that hurt yeah to feel that pain let me tell you something that suffering let me tell you something you think about this
Speaker 12 you can only put a person through so much
Speaker 12 Before what you do don't bother them no more.
Speaker 2 Huh?
Speaker 12 We done all been there before I you know I don't need to explain this in depth. We done been there before.
Speaker 12 You done did this, you done got away with it, you didn't apologize, and you keep doing it over and over and over and over. And at one point, that individual,
Speaker 12 mentally, they're not even there.
Speaker 12
You know, so I'm at that point now. Well, goddamn, we're getting the same results every week.
I get hyped up. I'm hyped.
Okay, one o'clock, we're playing so-and-so.
Speaker 12 And at the end of the day, it's the same result. I become numb.
Speaker 2 I become numb. I can't.
Speaker 12
Hey, I can't. I ain't even got no tears today.
I ain't even got no tears tonight. That's how you know it's something wrong with me.
Speaker 2 You got
Speaker 2 25 years
Speaker 2 invested.
Speaker 2 See, when you got that kind of time,
Speaker 2 even though you say you checked out, it still hurt. Because you're like, I just spent 25 years of my life with this person and it's coming to an end.
Speaker 12 Well, you know what?
Speaker 12 If you know
Speaker 2 you, if I cut you right now,
Speaker 2 you bleed orange.
Speaker 12 I bleed orange and black.
Speaker 12 Oh, excuse me bless me
Speaker 2 bless me yeah excuse you excuse you
Speaker 2 i don't know what hey i don't know what he got but i want him to keep it chat i ain't got nothing i ain't got nothing it's all good but that being said your bangles oh the bangles gonna do so much you get over here every year and pontificate you bloviate about how your bangles yeah
Speaker 2 and every year yeah disappointment See, and see, you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 12
Disappointment. Expectations.
Expectations make a fool of us all. I learned that real well.
But listen,
Speaker 12 there's something that, if you know me real well, right, there's something that I'm really good at doing. You hear me? Stay with me real quick.
Speaker 12 If you know me,
Speaker 12 I can love
Speaker 12 like no other.
Speaker 12 But on the other hand, when it's time to disconnect, but unplug that bitch so fast and be gone.
Speaker 2 But that's one thing about you. Ultra, I don't know.
Speaker 2 I ain't so sure. You love the woman like you love them bangles.
Speaker 2
So I'm not sure. Nah.
Now, I could be. I'm just sitting over here.
Hey, listen.
Speaker 12
Hey, I never love. I never love nothing like them bangles.
You hear me?
Speaker 12 Hey, cuz, hey, hold on. You got to understand what them bangles did for me.
Speaker 2 I know what they did. Hold on.
Speaker 12 From four years old, I had a dream, huh? I had a dream as an adolescent.
Speaker 12
I wanted to be an NFL player. I wanted to make it to the top, to the pinnacle of my childhood dream.
I didn't care nothing about the money, but making the millions was pretty cool.
Speaker 12
That was pretty cool. Made me feel good about myself.
You know,
Speaker 12 it gave me a little power. It gave me a little control to be able to
Speaker 12 take care of those that sacrificed for me when I really couldn't do nothing for them.
Speaker 12 So that is where that love comes from.
Speaker 12 I'm numb, man.
Speaker 12 I'm numb.
Speaker 2 Don't be numb.
Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, man. It's like,
Speaker 2 damn, man. I gave you some medicine so you could feel all that pain.
Speaker 2 I don't want you to be numb.
Speaker 2 I don't want you to be desensitized.
Speaker 12 Well,
Speaker 12 let me tell you something.
Speaker 12 Let's talk about my goddamn Panthers. Let's do that.
Speaker 2 Whoa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you ain't never been to Carolina.
Speaker 2 Let alone your Panthers.
Speaker 12 Hold on. Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 You got the cuppies?
Speaker 2 You got the cuppies.
Speaker 12 Time out.
Speaker 12
That's what we're not going to do because I was the only one. I've been standing.
I've been standing on the table. I've been pounding on the drum.
Speaker 12 I've been pounding on the drum about the Panthers before the season even started when everybody else was counting them out because they weren't that good last year. And I said, I said, wait a minute.
Speaker 12 I see how they drafted. I see what they did in the offseason.
Speaker 12
I saw the vision. I understood what they could do.
Okay?
Speaker 12 And again,
Speaker 12 they proved me right yet again.
Speaker 12 I'll wait till we get to that, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 Yeah, but you also said, oh, we got T-Mofo Higgins back. Oh, you know what that means,
Speaker 2
Super Bowl. Oh, the Guppies.
Oh, Tua, Cheetah, Waddle, A-Chan. Woo!
Speaker 12 But
Speaker 12 we had injuries. Tyreek got hurt.
Speaker 2 So I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. There are no other team in the NFL that's dealing with injuries.
Speaker 2 Just the Guppies.
Speaker 12 No.
Speaker 2 I mean,
Speaker 12 obviously the quarterback hasn't been playing well. He's been inconsistent, you know, week to week.
Speaker 2 So let me ask you a question. Based on what you know, the last five years,
Speaker 2 dealing with the Dolphins, dealing with the Bengal, what do you know to happen? What do you know to be 100% for certain?
Speaker 2 Quarterback play for the Guffies have been inconsistent. He gets hurt.
Speaker 2 The quarterback played... In Cincinnati, what happens? In three of the six years that he's been in the NFL, tell the people at home home what's happened, don't you?
Speaker 12 You got hurt,
Speaker 12 you got hurt. It's all good, though.
Speaker 12 See, now you now you understand why it's so easy to disconnect when you can take when you continuously get hurt over and over and over. And the problem is, sometimes we don't know when to disconnect.
Speaker 12 That's the problem in life.
Speaker 12 Something, anything that continuously lets you down all the time, no matter how much you love it, you got to learn when to let go.
Speaker 12 It's not good for you. And I've been able to do that i'm able to compartmentalize y'all you hear me yeah i mean i'm able to god damn it
Speaker 2 uh
Speaker 2 there was a tweet went out the locker room is showing its cracks the ones to laugh or decline saying catch you on monday were jordan battle shamar stewart tj slayt also declining with chris jenkins jr and miles murphy
Speaker 2 got another you got another anything up there no wait what what what'd that say what that that say?
Speaker 2 The locker room is showing gets cracks. The defense guys on the defensive side of football refused to talk or had
Speaker 2
a sly laugh. Catch on Monday.
Jordan Battle, Shamar Stewart, TJ Slayton, Chris Jenkins Jr., and Miles Murphy.
Speaker 12 Oh, well, they didn't want to talk for a reason, obviously.
Speaker 2 I mean, I mean,
Speaker 12 I wouldn't call them.
Speaker 2
They should have plenty. They should have plenty.
Obviously, they ain't do ish on defense. Yeah.
So what you tired for? What you ain't want to talk about?
Speaker 12 Yeah, listen.
Speaker 12 I'd rather them not say anything at all.
Speaker 12
I don't see that as showing cracks with frustration. Were they in play? Hey, yeah, yeah.
I mean, what is there to say? Shoot the reporters.
Speaker 2 You gave up damn near 600 yards and 50 points.
Speaker 12
Hey, the reporters watched the game. They saw the game.
What is there to say? Man, don't put no camera in my face after that shit.
Speaker 2 Oh, but let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 If you got six sacks and six turnovers, you talking yes or no?
Speaker 2 Oh,
Speaker 2
yeah. I see how this thing works.
Okay, yeah. No,
Speaker 2 It's all good. It's all good.
Speaker 2 Front runner.
Speaker 12 Nah,
Speaker 12 I ain't no front runner, but I just understand.
Speaker 12 You put that camera in some of the young bulls' face right now. They're going to say the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 If y'all put that camera in front of Shamar Stewart's face, and he got three sacks and a force fumble, he talking? Yes or no?
Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 Jordan Battle, if he gets a pick, Slayton, Miles Murphy, if they do anything defensively, they had a lot to talk about. Hold on, who did they they beat? Did they beat the Steelers?
Speaker 2 Did y'all beat the Steelers?
Speaker 12 Who y'all beat? Yeah, we did. Steelers.
Speaker 2 I just want to know, did anybody on the defense talk when they beat the Steelers? Yes or no?
Speaker 12 Yeah, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 2 Why are they talking?
Speaker 2
That was just one game. That puts you at two and whatever.
That puts you at two and three and whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Now you don't want to talk. Don't worry about it.
It's all good. It's all good.
It's all good.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 I see. I see how y'all do it.
Speaker 12 Hey, that's messed up, man.
Speaker 2 The Bills beat the Chiefs by the score of 28-21, the fourth time this season the Chiefs have lost a one-score game. Remember, last year, they were winning a lot of these one-score games.
Speaker 2
When pressure, Mahomes was three of 16 for just 61 yards and an interception. Overall, he completed 15 of 34 passes.
This is the first time in his nine-year career that he was held under 50%
Speaker 2 passing, a streak of 142 games, including the playoffs, which was an NFL record to start a career. They got after him.
Speaker 2 That's why you go get a Joey Bosa. They couldn't block him.
Speaker 12 Nah, at all.
Speaker 12
He caused havoc. He was disruptive.
He was disruptive all night.
Speaker 12 He forced Mahomes, made him uncomfortable, get him off his spot, had him having to throw in the run, use his legs a lot, and
Speaker 2 spare him.
Speaker 2 Jawan Johnson, I already know.
Speaker 2 He gonna get illegal formation because he's gonna line his ass up in the backfield.
Speaker 2
He's gonna get a holding call. I already know that.
Going into the game, Andy Reid is already counting that. Like, okay,
Speaker 2 he's gonna get to this guy is gonna get to is going to get two penalties.
Speaker 12 Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2 So now,
Speaker 2 let me call plays according, knowing that he's gonna get those two penalties.
Speaker 2 But they harassed him all night. They did a great job of pressuring him,
Speaker 2 making it very, very uncomfortable. Where'd the score?
Speaker 2 But looking at, what did you like about what you saw from Buffalo?
Speaker 12 Hell, Josh, goddamn Allen, huh? Man, got Josh with a goddamn
Speaker 12
23 for 26 for 273. A TD.
James Cook out there cooking. 27, 2-7 carries, but 114.
Ken Cade had six for 101. Obviously, Joey Bosa, we saw what he did defensively.
But the goddamn Chiefs really
Speaker 12 couldn't get nothing going. Kareem Hunt had 49.
Speaker 12
Rice, I almost said Rashid Rice. It is Rashid Rice.
Rashid Rice, yeah. Rasheed Rice.
I mean, you only have four for 80. So
Speaker 12
the Bills' defense kind of kept the Chiefs in check. Mahomes was, what, 15 for 34, 250.
He had an interception. And listen, goddamn,
Speaker 12
it's the regular season. It's a good win for Buffalo.
It's a good win, but it's the regular season. In the regular season, Josh Allen is 5-1 against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 12 But that is not where it matters.
Speaker 12 It's not where it matters. What are we going to do when they get to the AFC championship? Can you get over the hump then?
Speaker 12 And they're going to see each other again.
Speaker 12 And that's probably going to be the two teams that come out of the AFC unless for some crazy reason the Ravens have a resurgence and Lamar is a magician
Speaker 12 and just bring and just brings them back from, I mean, what's what? The Ravens, what, two and two and what?
Speaker 2 No, they like, I think they were like three, three games.
Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, three, yeah. That means they might be three and six, too.
Speaker 2 I thought Buffalo did a great job.
Speaker 2 First of all, the Chiefs really didn't stand a chance because the Chiefs like to stop the run. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2
This is the first time they've given up a 100-yard rusher in, what, 20-something games, which was the longest current active streak. Right.
Okay, now we can't stop the run.
Speaker 2
Buffalo did a great job of doing what? Getting tranquil to cover tight ends and slot receivers. That's not what he is.
He's a run stuffer.
Speaker 2 He's not a coverbacker. So he didn't, you see, Dawson Knox, you see Kincaid, you see they get Shakure matched up on him because they motion and they know it's man coverage.
Speaker 2 If Kansas City can't stop the run, they can't win.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 Because now you're at the mercy because they're going to play action you and guys are going to
Speaker 2
dunk the ball and they got two tight ends. They got two tight ends that can really can make a difference in the ball game.
Knox and Kincaid.
Speaker 12 Boy, it's nice, boy.
Speaker 2
And like you said, Josh Allen did a great job. He was 23.
Think about it. 23 of 26.
26.
Speaker 12 That's damn.
Speaker 2 You know how hard it is to have three incompletions in an NFL game?
Speaker 12 The whole game.
Speaker 12 Only three.
Speaker 12 That's crazy.
Speaker 12
What I do want is I want... I don't know what's going on.
But I would love for the resurgence of my young bull, Keon Coleman, to be
Speaker 12 a little bit more.
Speaker 2 You can't separate, Ocho. Huh? He's a big body guy that needs to elevate.
Speaker 2 It's hard.
Speaker 2 I mean, look at him.
Speaker 12 Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2 He doesn't win against press coverage.
Speaker 2 And the thing is, if he can't use his athleticism.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2 You keep saying the same thing. Keep saying the same thing.
Speaker 2 If you go back and study him at Florida State, look at what he's doing. He's leaping over people, making catches.
Speaker 2 You can't beat, if you can't beat man coverage in the NFL, and you're not Uber, Uber, I'm talking about like elite of elite of elite. Right.
Speaker 2 If you can't beat man coverage, there are two jobs that's available for you. Car salesman and coaching.
Speaker 12
We're going to get him right. We're going to get him right.
I just, he has too much talent. He has too much talent not to be.
not to be being used.
Speaker 2 He got to be, well, you got to work on his quits tits because he got to
Speaker 2 get off man coverage.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 can't separate.
Speaker 12 Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna get him right, we're gonna get him right, we're gonna get him right.
Speaker 2 Yeah, but I saw early on that what they were trying, what they were doing, yeah, is that they were getting those tight ends matched up on Tranquil, yeah, getting their linebackers matched up on the linebackers, right?
Speaker 2 Those are those are run-stuffing linebackers, and Josh Allen is a guy. I mean, they got him down three times, but he's so tough, man, because
Speaker 2 at 6'6, 255,
Speaker 2 he's gonna break and tain.
Speaker 2 It's a rap. And even when you think you got him, he's gonna do something.
Speaker 2 He's a magician with the ball.
Speaker 2 He's
Speaker 2 man, I rude the days that he was supposed to be in Denver. And we took Bradley Chubb over Josh Allen.
Speaker 12 Well, he could have been in Denver, huh? Yep. Damn, that's crazy.
Speaker 12 I mean, I think if you can go back and do the draft,
Speaker 12 there are a lot of teams that regret some of the players they've taken.
Speaker 2 But my thing is, Ocho, we needed a quarterback. Why would you, you don't never.
Speaker 2 I get it. You wanted to pair Bradley Chubb with Von Miller.
Speaker 2 I'm not, you need a quarterback.
Speaker 2
Wait, hold on. Without him, I don't give a damn who you pair with Von Miller.
You can pair Pat Sartan with Von Miller. Without a quarterback, you're not going nowhere.
Speaker 12 Who was a quarterback that year where they chose Bradley Chubb instead of going to get a quarterback?
Speaker 2 Oh, man, please. Who was it?
Speaker 12 It must have been somebody.
Speaker 2 Was it the guy from Northwestern?
Speaker 12 And you know what, also?
Speaker 12 When that draft happened, you know, GMs and scouts,
Speaker 12 they didn't really think Josh Allen would be who Josh Allen is now.
Speaker 2 He was a project. He was listed as a project.
Speaker 12 If they knew
Speaker 12
he would have turned out to be what he is now, oh, they wouldn't have hesitated, man. They wouldn't have hesitated.
but you just didn't know.
Speaker 2 Case Keenum?
Speaker 2 We had Case Keenum, the journeyman.
Speaker 2
Case Keenum been with the Texans. He had been with the Vikings.
Yeah, yeah. He's been with like several teams.
Speaker 2 And
Speaker 2 you thought Case Keenum.
Speaker 2 You thought Case Keenum.
Speaker 12 Hold on. But
Speaker 12 remember, we talked about you talking about identity, right?
Speaker 2 Yes.
Speaker 12 Your identity was on defense back then, during the time you're speaking of.
Speaker 12 Your identity was defense.
Speaker 12 So your offense wasn't going to carry you because it wasn't no quarterback you were going to get.
Speaker 12 It wasn't no Peyton Manning out there.
Speaker 2
No, but you got to have a quarterback. I don't care how good your defense is.
You don't got no quarterback.
Speaker 2 It ain't happening. Unk.
Speaker 12
Y'all had a great defense in Baltimore. Yes.
You just need a quarterback that can't turn the ball over.
Speaker 2
Ocho, they don't allow you to play like that. That was 20 years ago.
You're not winning a Super Bowl playing that style of football. First of all, the rules prohibit it.
Right.
Speaker 2 The incidental contact, the roughing the passer, the defenseless receiver,
Speaker 2
ain't none of that. Yeah, I understand.
They deter that now.
Speaker 12 But I'm saying a defense that good. The Broncos defense
Speaker 12 that year, the no fly zone.
Speaker 2 No fly zone Broncos.
Speaker 2 They were gone then.
Speaker 2
There was no more DeMarcus Ware. There was no more all those.
Those guys were gone.
Speaker 12 Okay, my bad. No.
Speaker 2 And you get an opportunity to get a quarterback. Yeah.
Speaker 12 You take him.
Speaker 2
That's a 15-year guy. You plug him in.
Oh, yeah.
Speaker 12 You don't know he's a 15-year guy, though.
Speaker 2 Let me ask you a question. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, even as great, as great as
Speaker 2 Aaron Donnell was,
Speaker 2 he didn't win no championship until they got Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 2 Three-time defensive player of the year.
Speaker 2 Eight, nine-time first-team all-pro.
Speaker 2 One of the greatest defensive players ever.
Speaker 12 Yeah.
Speaker 2 It took a quarterback.
Speaker 2 Without him, you're not doing it.
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