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Speaker 11 hey we got a very special guest joining us right now hey see what's up boy what up what up oh you like you about to rob you about to rob something no i'm just comfortable man okay okay

Speaker 11 welcome to the show ram safety cam curl cam how you doing man i'm doing good man i appreciate y'all for having me appreciate you coming on the bye week you guys are coming up the bye week so What did Cam do in this bye week?

Speaker 11 So take us through your bye week. You had the whole week off.

Speaker 11 So you you got out of town boom nah i ain't even leave i ain't gonna lie i stayed here i was tired okay because we did all that traveling like right right baltimore that whole week yeah then we traveled to london and played like within like that certain amount of time so i was real tired from all the traveling and we didn't get i didn't get home till like monday 2 30 in the morning damn like i slept all monday tuesday

Speaker 11 I went to the facility a few days, you know what I'm saying? But I just spent time with the family, really, just trying to let my body rest.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 You ain't do nothing outside of that though? Like to get away, just to get away from the game of football? I mean, yeah, like, you know, I took the kids to the park and stuff.

Speaker 11 Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just a little stuff. I ain't do nothing crazy.
I'm crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I like it.

Speaker 11 You guys are number one, the first, you're first in red zone, defensive touchdowns allowed, third in points allowed, eighth in takeaways.

Speaker 11 What do you think the biggest reason you guys have having such success on the defensive side of the football?

Speaker 11 I mean, I feel like the system we got and the the scheme we got, it's built around our players. And what we're able to do is like, it's built for our skill set.

Speaker 11 And, you know, we've been in this system, it's our second year going on in the system. So we all comfortable with each other, especially in the secondary.

Speaker 11 Like, this is the first place, like the first time I've seen us bring back a whole like secondary unit. You know what I'm saying? Same group came back for a second.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Usually every year the room changes.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 But, you know, since we did that, that just helps us play even faster because we're more comfortable with each other and, you know, know how each other play.

Speaker 11 Yeah. And now that you are in your second year of this defense, how comfortable are you? You know?

Speaker 11 I mean, I'm real comfortable. Like, I'm real comfortable with how Sulaka's game and I'm real comfortable with all my teammates.
You know what I'm saying? And I just like flying around with those guys.

Speaker 11 Like, we out there making plays, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 You know, trying to keep doing that. Hey, does your coach, your defensive coordinator, does he allow you the freedom to do things off script that really, really isn't part of X and O's?

Speaker 11 But because you're the one out there on the field and playing the game and you have a feel for stuff, can you go off script and do stuff based on what you've seen on film?

Speaker 11 I mean, you know, as long as you make the play, you know what I'm saying? It ain't going to be too mad. But now they do emphasize on us not being robots, though.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 They don't want to take the football instincts away from us. You know what I'm saying? So

Speaker 11 he lets us play how we play. You know what I'm saying? We're going to always go within the scheme, you know, in the play call, but, you know, he lets us go out there and fly around

Speaker 11 okay you're known for your physical style of play how'd you get the how you get the nickname cam bam

Speaker 11 uh i got that name like in high school it was a uh i ain't gonna lie you know the uh the females used to call me that you know what i'm saying oh

Speaker 11 but yeah nah you know i you know i bring that boom on the field too you know what i'm saying you know it rhymes you know but like yeah it's just it's just a little nickname hey let me let let me, I got a, I got a question for you.

Speaker 11 Since they call you Can Bam and you, and you're known for, you know, coming down here, coming to the party. You, you, you think, you think you would have been able to hit me if we were playing?

Speaker 11 Like, if I just happened to be in this area, you think you would hit me? Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 11 Like, hey, hold on, you laughing. You see, you think, but hey,

Speaker 11 you a little thin, man.

Speaker 11 I'm 220. What you talking about then? What you, what you were wearing back then? Back then, I was 230.
All right, bro. All right.

Speaker 11 You got it. If you're 230, then then you got it.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I would have ran through you, but oh man, don't do that. Don't do that.

Speaker 11 What was some of the factors? What was so appealing for you with signing with the Rams?

Speaker 11 Honestly, like off the bat, just, you know, Sean McVay, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 Just even before I got here, just seeing him from afar and, you know, hearing things about him and watching his interviews and stuff, like, that's just off the bat, like a guy you want to play football for.

Speaker 11 You know, it's just the type of guy he is. And, you know, I knew it was a winning culture here.
You know, they just won the Super Bowl not too long ago. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 You know, they always get into the playoffs. You know, so it was just, it felt like the right fit.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 It's a bunch of young, hungry guys on the defensive side with some stuff to prove. And, you know, I felt like I fit right in.

Speaker 11 You came in the league kind of like I came in the league. I was a self-round draft pick.
I was 192. You were a seventh round draft pick.
And I never felt

Speaker 11 like I made it. I feel like I had to go out there every single year and reprove myself that like I got to give him one reason.
And I always had this mindset.

Speaker 11 I got to get, when I went to practice camp, I said, I got to give him one reason to keep me.

Speaker 11 Just one. Man, you see that Route Sharp ran? Man, you see that catch that he made? You see how he picked up that blip? Just one, I needed one reason.

Speaker 11 For him to say, yeah, we got to keep him another day.

Speaker 11 What was your mindset coming in? You got

Speaker 11 a seventh round draft pick from the commanders.

Speaker 11 What was your mindset because you know normally seventh round picks don't count bodies they just they just hey they need somebody to fill out the roster they ain't really tried they ain't really tried to give us no look but you got to see me because i'm gonna make you look nah facts nah my mindset i mean i knew getting drafted in the seventh round like i was just talking to myself like you know i gotta take everything to the next level you know what i'm saying just to try to make this team you know coming in because i was the only rookie db they had picked up that whole like draft process you know they ain't picked no fragrance up or nothing so i was the only rookie DB in the room, so like it's like I'm going against vets, I'm competing against vets, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 People already been in, so I just knew how to take everything to the next level.

Speaker 11 And, you know, all my vets there back then, that 2020 season, like, they really brought me in, you know what I'm saying, and showed me the way.

Speaker 11 And I just sat back, watched them, and learn, and you know, started making plays.

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 you look, you've been in two different look, Washington, LA. How similar or how different are the defensive systems that were you were in DC compared to what you are in right now in LA?

Speaker 11 I feel like

Speaker 11 it's a difference. I feel like in Washington, it was more of like, you know, like a straightforward.
This is what we doing. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 11 We not really, we wasn't really doing no disguising. Like, you know, damn.
Man,

Speaker 11 we running button. Why are you just going out there? You ain't got no ski mask.
You ain't got nothing. You ain't got no dark clothes on.
You just. Going.
Like, that's how Dario is, though.

Speaker 11 Like, you know, I like.

Speaker 11 hills. I know Jack.
I played against Jack. You're going to put your position.
You got to make the play. You know, that's all that matters.
And I feel like this Rams defense,

Speaker 11 it's a way more complex defense. You know what I'm saying? We're running tons of different coverages.
Like, it's coverages that I'm learning about this year. I didn't even know it was coverage.

Speaker 11 You know what I'm saying? So it's a real complex defense. And it fits us because we got real smart players on our defense, you know what I'm saying, that can think on the fly.

Speaker 11 You know what I'm saying? And we communicate very well. Like this defense defense communication is key for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 And it's funny when you talk about defenses being very complex and you're able to do more with the defense when you have the right players with this, with the right skill set and can communicate.

Speaker 11 It brings me back to that 2000 Ravens, that 2000, early 2000s Steelers defense. But KC, they used to run defenses.
that wasn't even on film. Yeah.

Speaker 11 It wasn't on film and people were always out of position, but they were so good with a great understanding of being able to communicate.

Speaker 11 And when the ball snaps, they are fly back to exactly where they're supposed to be at. But it was so confusing for me as an offensive player.

Speaker 11 So, the fact that you guys are able to do that to run complex stuff that you really don't see on film, you really don't know what's coming.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and keep an offense thinking all the time, especially at the snap and after the snap of the ball, you always have an advantage, always have an advantage defensively for sure.

Speaker 11 Man, Cam, I'm looking at you guys' schedules. You got the Saints, Niners, Seahawks, Bucks, Panthers, Cars, Lions, Seahawks, Falcons, Cardinals.
Damn, y'all got a lot of birds up in there.

Speaker 11 The Seahawks, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the Falcons, the Cardinals.

Speaker 11 Y'all would try to put some of these birds out there, misery. Oh, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna do that for sure, man. That's that's the menu.

Speaker 11 Hey, speaking of, man, what has it been like, man, to watch Puka Nakua, man, and Devontae Adams, man? Devontae still. I know, you know, we hit we talk about some of the best receivers in the game.

Speaker 11 You know, they mentioned Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, you know, JSN and some of those, you know, those younger guys. But to me, Devontae Adams is still the best route runner in the league.

Speaker 11 Man, what's it like

Speaker 11 playing with him? But it's crazy, man.

Speaker 11 Just starting off like at practice, just watching every day at practice and being able to go against those type of guys every day, it makes us a lot better as a defense.

Speaker 11 Because every team, you're not seeing that every day. Oh, you know, yeah,

Speaker 11 every day.

Speaker 11 So that's, that's just making us better. And then to add Matthew Stafford in the mix with those two, like, it's crazy, but like, it's just, it's amazing to see in practice for sure.

Speaker 11 Yeah. And it's hard to like, oh, why follow the quarterback eyes? And Matthew Stafford looking over here and he throwing the ball over there.
He's looking over there and throwing the ball over here.

Speaker 11 You're like, Coach, why you go there? Because he was looking over there. You still had to follow the quarterback eyes.
He do that to some practice, too. It's not just them.
He do it to us, too.

Speaker 11 Hey, when we saw it on the tape, because in the game, you didn't know it, because I was at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 When he did that in the Super Bowl, when he threw, hey, he was looking like this here, and he threw the ball, and Cooper Cup ended up catching it.

Speaker 11 It was right by the, because the linebacker was dead to the right. If he looks at him, the linebacker's going to pick it.
But because he was looking over here and he threw it,

Speaker 11 he's like, oh, he ain't finna throw it. Like, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 11 Going right off his ear hole. That was nice.

Speaker 11 That's crazy. We see that every day, man.
It's crazy to watch.

Speaker 11 And you know, Coach Yarb's still a receiver coach, huh? Yeah, yeah, my dog. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Coach Yarb. That was my coach at Oregon State.
For real, yeah. Nah, Yar's a cool dude, man.

Speaker 11 That's my guy, man. That's my guy.
Well, Cam, thanks for joining us tonight, man.

Speaker 11 Best of luck. Continue success.
Stay healthy.

Speaker 11 And, hey, you guys got a nice little schedule coming up. But hey, you done got your bye week.
You get your second win. Now it's time to, hey, time to go finish the task.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 11 Already, I appreciate y'all for having me. All right.
Man, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it.
Enjoy the rest of the evening.

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Speaker 12 All right, we got our special guest joining us. He just signed with the Broncos, playing in his 20th season, played a grand total of 285 career games from

Speaker 12 play

Speaker 12 University of California at Los Angeles, aka UCLA. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.
Mar Sadie's Lewis.

Speaker 11 What's up, brother?

Speaker 12 I'm good, man. How you doing, bro?

Speaker 11 I'm doing well, man. Just everything happened so fast.
It was

Speaker 11 like, obviously, I played 19 last year. I didn't get picked up for camp.
Didn't do OTAs. This was the first time I hadn't been in camp.
So

Speaker 11 a, it was a mental,

Speaker 11 it was messing with me mentally for a second because it's something that I've been used to. And I'm one of those that I love camp.
I love building that gristle and getting ready for the season.

Speaker 11 So when I didn't get picked up, it was like, okay,

Speaker 11 you know, how do I want to go about this?

Speaker 11 And so I just was kind of more introspective about it and just kind of was in a state of allowing, meaning like not resisting nor forcing what was meant for me.

Speaker 11 I come back from Joshua Tree.

Speaker 11 I go to a place where I recover at get an asana i get a call from a denver number and i obviously i didn't answer it because i didn't have it i'm thinking it's spam i'm like man what is this

Speaker 11 so so the number calls back probably like three minutes later and i'm like i still look at my phone didn't answer it and then the gm left a message like yo uh big dog give me a call um this is george payton gm uh at the broncos want to talk to you for a second so i called him back and literally right there and this was Monday, he was like, yo, can you fly out here tonight?

Speaker 11 And I was like, mind you, I've never been in this situation before. Like I've always been contracted.
So it was just different

Speaker 11 feeling this, you know, feeling this, right? So I'm like, you know what? Yeah, I could fly out there.

Speaker 11 So I hopped on a flight like around eight, got got to Denver like around 1130 at night, sat on the tarmac for like 50 minutes, then

Speaker 11 went to the hotel. And then literally next day, Tuesday,

Speaker 11 worked out, took took my physical and shit, signed on the spot, man. So it's definitely a different experience.

Speaker 12 Yeah, you tell them, hell yeah, you fly, you buy, I fly. Come on now.

Speaker 12 Will I fly? Hell yeah. You buy, I fly.
No doubt.

Speaker 11 Hey, Mercedes, was it ever the thought in your mind that you will be able to, for one, make it into the league is one thing. You want to play.
You want to have a healthy career.

Speaker 11 You want to squeeze in as many years as you can, obviously. But did you ever think you'd get to your 20?

Speaker 11 man i i thought you know obviously coming out of ucla that 10 was going to be a great career and yep yeah you know and it was a situation where i'm not sure you're familiar with john embry he was my tight end coach at ucla yeah i he was in camp with me my rookie year in 1990.

Speaker 12 okay

Speaker 11 okay so you know embo you know his uh i do his energy and just the type of person he is so uh obviously embo you know he coached tony gonzalez george kittle for a little while remember uh

Speaker 11 um daniel graham uh so as far as like that his resume is dipped in blood when it comes to like tight ends and how he's able to get across to those guys and you know

Speaker 11 100 and um i remember i would say

Speaker 11 he got to ucla my sophomore year then fired the tight end coach we had

Speaker 11 He got to UCLA and the first conversation we had, he was like, look, I didn't come to UCLA to coach for UCLA. He said, I came to UCLA to coach you.

Speaker 11 Gave me a whole rundown of like my family, knew where I was from. I'm from the east side of Long Beach.
My mom had me at 15 years old. I've been through just a whole bunch.

Speaker 11 So he had already done his homework.

Speaker 11 And that kind of, you know, lit a fire under me. And so

Speaker 11 right after that, that formed a connection and just like that vibration that we had. And literally he took me from,

Speaker 11 he said, look. this is where you are now you got the ability to go through here he was like there's a lot of people that can catch the ball and run and look look pretty.

Speaker 11 We know that you're an athlete, cool. We get it.
You want to play a long time in the league, you're going to have to learn how to get your nose dirty. And it starts right here.

Speaker 11 And so he literally took me from, you know, just being able to catch a pass and do nice things with it to like really being a dog and what it meant to being a dog.

Speaker 11 And so I learned how to compete under him. And so by the time I got to the league, this is my rookie year.
I get drafted in 2006.

Speaker 11 Freddie T, Fred Taylor, took me under his wing. Hell yeah.
And Fred Taylor, he called me slim. Like at that time, I was 6'6, like 260, but I didn't have the mass, right?

Speaker 11 So he just always just called me slim. So the first day of Pads, we got the Oklahoma drill, right? So this is like my first Oklahoma drill in the NFL.
We get three DNs up.

Speaker 11 Freddie T's running behind me twice, and then Maurice Drew is running behind me. I pancaked the first two guys, moved the third guy out the way.

Speaker 11 Freddie T jumped on my back, kind of like wrestled me almost to the grass and was like, yo, you keep blocking like that. You're going to be in the league for a long time.
So

Speaker 11 fast forward to when I signed my contract this morning, Freddie T texted me and was like, you remember that conversation we had? I was like, bro, how could I ever forget that? That's something that.

Speaker 11 I always have with me and it's something that's inspired me this whole entire time. So I'm just grateful to, you know, he didn't have to take me under his wing.
He played running back. Like it was,

Speaker 11 it's just been, it's been smooth, man. And I just take it one day at a time and, you know, just get my personal best of whatever it is I'm doing in that day.
And I live with the results.

Speaker 12 You, you, you mentioned, uh, Mercedes, but, bro, that's still a long time to get your body to go through the rigors.

Speaker 12 Look, we know that you don't, you know, situational now, but still, you got to come in there and it ain't Jacksonville where you got nice warm weather. You play, you in Chicago, bro.
Outside.

Speaker 12 You're having to go, and you with the Green Bay outside. So we get it.
So what is the, so once you got past year, once you got past year 10, as you mentioned, I get 10. Then you get to 15.

Speaker 12 Because once you get to 10, you take it one year at a time.

Speaker 11 100%.

Speaker 12 Once you got to 15, you had to be like, hold on. Gonzalez played 17.
Wenton played 17.

Speaker 12 The way I feel right now, 17 is in the bag.

Speaker 12 Was there ever a realistic shot once you got past 15 that 20 would be into the play in the equation?

Speaker 11 Bro, you just hit it on the nose and like this conversation is something that I have pretty often with people because they ask me like how did you like like what in your mind made you think that you can just keep going and keep jumping up to continue your career 15 was literally that magic number once I got once I passed 10 I got to 15 and I was like okay

Speaker 11 I don't want to question it because I don't want to jinx myself, but I still feel really good.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 11 And so I get to 15. I'm in Green Bay.

Speaker 11 And literally, Green Bay is like, well,

Speaker 11 we want to sign you to a two-year deal. Cause I was only doing one-year deals trying to just play it by ear.

Speaker 12 Yep.

Speaker 11 And like at that time in Green Bay, obviously we had Jimmy Graham. He had signed a contract.
He was there for a couple of years. Then he ended up leaving.

Speaker 11 And then I ended up being like the full-time why. Like, so I was the why, which means like the do-it-all tight end for the listeners out there.

Speaker 11 And then we had obviously the pass-catching tight end at that time, Robert Tullyon. So

Speaker 11 I was doing all the dirty work, outside zone,

Speaker 11 power, ISO, all that. Like, gotta set that edge, Marced.

Speaker 12 You gotta set the edge.

Speaker 11 I was sifting. I was doing all that.
And so they,

Speaker 11 I didn't expect them to offer me a two-year deal. I thought it was going to be one year, one year.

Speaker 11 But when they offered me a two-year deal, I felt like it was my responsibility to go out there and continue to give them what they know that I'm about. And

Speaker 11 I signed the deal, didn't look back, got through 17, still felt really good. A-Rye ends up leaving.
Devontae ends up leaving. Cobb retires.
Dave Battiari leaves. And I'm like, okay, it's only me here.

Speaker 11 I know it's about to be my time to go too. So they hit me up like, hey, Sadie's, like, you know, we're kind of changing the regime.
Like, you know, you know, the, the, the,

Speaker 12 yeah.

Speaker 11 So I'm like, all right, like, no doubt, whatever, like, you know, I'll figure it out. And then not too long after that, I would say

Speaker 11 June, Chicago hit me up.

Speaker 11 And then we had had Luke Getze, who who was the quarterback coach with Green Bay and was familiar with, you know, how to use me as far as in, you know, plays and what I'm good at and brought me to Chicago.

Speaker 11 Thinking that was going to be a one-year deal.

Speaker 11 Played that out. Still played about 43% of the plays at 39 years old.
So I'm still rolling. Then the next year, bring me back.
So that's two years. And then here we are now.

Speaker 11 It was just like a, once I got 18, I was like, I have to get 20.

Speaker 12 Got 19.

Speaker 12 I can't end on the odd number. I got to get 20.

Speaker 11 I can't. Like, this is, I literally, it was like the capstone.

Speaker 12 Like, 20 is like when I wake up with a magic number in the NFL. Ain't a whole lot of players that's ever played 20 seasons.

Speaker 12 You get a Jackie Slater and you get a Tom Brady and you get a handful of guys, but maybe, I don't think it's 20 guys. Maybe, maybe it's 20 guys of

Speaker 12 25,000 people, men, that's ever played this game. Daryl Green.

Speaker 12 It ain't a whole lot of guys. So let me ask you this.
Is this it? You tried for 21 or you done at 20? You stopped it on a nice, a nice round, even number.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 11 So

Speaker 11 this will be the first time I've ever said this because I haven't, but

Speaker 11 this is it. Like,

Speaker 11 if I had said that last year, like if I said that after 19, I wouldn't have felt like I did in these months that I was not playing, right?

Speaker 11 Bro, I would wake up sometime, like the season started. It was a few teams hit my agent up, but it was like, just, is he still working out? Does he still want to play? Just a bunch of like fluff.

Speaker 11 It wasn't nothing serious. So I told my agent, Buzz Cook, I told him, I said, look, if it's not serious, like, don't hit me up because it's messing with my head.
Like

Speaker 11 some days I wake up sharp and be like,

Speaker 11 I feel good.

Speaker 11 And then some days I wake up and I feel like I'm in a nightmare because i'm waking up i'm watching ball there and i'm in my mind i'm like there's not 64 tight ends better than me in this league and i know i could be out there helping somebody win

Speaker 11 yeah and like especially for what i do at this point in my career like i'm the best at this right like just point of contact setting the edge rock setting and play pass like you know how it is like it's yeah oh yeah yeah I take somebody.

Speaker 12 I'm unlocking. We flip the thing up.
Hey, we'll scoop it.

Speaker 12 Whatever you want to do. Hey, if y'all y'all want to put, let me be Gilligan, I get on that island if I need to.

Speaker 11 Come on.

Speaker 11 And so, hey, hey, and then that's, and that's kind of where I'm at. And,

Speaker 11 you know, today,

Speaker 11 Sean Payton pulled me aside and was like,

Speaker 11 I've been watching you for the last eight years. Like, even when I was in Green Bay, the Saints kept trying to get me when he was with the Saints.

Speaker 11 He's like, I just want you to know that I've been watching you for the last eight years. I know what you're about.

Speaker 11 Everybody talks about how you are as a person. Like, I get it, but you're not staying in this league for as long as you have just from being a great leader.
You've been dominant.

Speaker 11 We need somebody like you. And so they made me feel valued.
They made me feel welcome. And

Speaker 11 to be honest with you guys, like today was the first time I felt like

Speaker 11 nervous

Speaker 11 because it was like

Speaker 11 I'm 41.

Speaker 11 I didn't do camp. No OTAs.

Speaker 11 What's my reaction time? Like, regardless if if I'm working out, right? Like,

Speaker 12 you ain't playing football. Exactly.

Speaker 11 Exactly.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I really questioned myself. Like, the night before, going to sign my contract and then going to practice, like, I'm in there and I'm like, you know,

Speaker 11 like, you know, they give me the playbook, all of that. I'm looking through and I'm like, okay.

Speaker 11 Every hour that went by today, I felt more and more confident. Like, I get in there and it's just like all my teammates are like, you know, you know, just loving me up bro and i'm just like damn like

Speaker 11 this is where i'm supposed to be you know and it and it feels good and all right once i got on the field bro it was just like riding the bike so i'm i'm grateful for the moment i've always been in gratitude i i lead with um

Speaker 11 just gratitude man and i yeah it's special bro joe you had a question

Speaker 11 Yeah, that's, I wanted to say, first off, Mercedes, man, congrats on 20 years, bro. That's a long time, especially in the nfl uh

Speaker 11 what what's the biggest difference what would you say the biggest difference is from like year one to like year 20 now

Speaker 11 whether it be mindset training obviously you know what would probably be the biggest difference i think the biggest difference for me bro is uh

Speaker 11 the time i had to form a routine

Speaker 11 Because when I first got into the league, right, like those first three years, you're trying to figure out who you are.

Speaker 11 Right? Like you, yeah, you know, you're athletic, you know that like you can do some things, but you don't know if you can consistently get it done at that level, right?

Speaker 11 Like, absolutely, you're playing against guys that got families that

Speaker 11 are not having it. And when I got to Jacksonville,

Speaker 11 dogs in Jacksonville, like

Speaker 11 I was raised with the wolves in Jacksonville, you know what I mean? So, I feel like being in that environment

Speaker 11 made like molded me into who I am today. And

Speaker 11 I would say after year three, I started to form this routine. How like my in-season workout recovery does not change from my out-of-season workout and recovery.

Speaker 11 And mind you, I said out of season and not off-season. I don't take it off, right? Like I,

Speaker 11 it's maybe two and a half weeks of just letting my body heal. And that means infrared and cold tub.
I'm still doing something to keep the blood flow, right?

Speaker 11 Yeah. Once it gets close to February, like right after Super Bowl, I've been training mixed mixed martial arts now for 15 years.

Speaker 11 So whether it's jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling, judo, whatever it is, I would do that from February all the way to May. I do not step on the field until the end of May going into July.

Speaker 11 Once I hit the field in June, I get on the grass straight ahead running. And then we do like 400 breakdowns on the track.

Speaker 11 And then that's really about it. I'll do like cone stuff, but not too many routes.
Even in my prime when I was catching the ball, it wasn't a lot of routes and like putting that pressure on my knees.

Speaker 11 And then when I would get to camp i would be peaking at the perfect time and like i really just feel like that regimen has paid me back right now because i still have my legs

Speaker 11 i went to jacksonville where we were run first play action pass right like yep you know jimmy smith was getting out of there kennen mccardell had just got out of there It was like Freddie T, Maurice Drew.

Speaker 11 Obviously, we had Kyle Brady at tight end. I was backing him up as a rookie.
And then I ended up starting as

Speaker 11 a

Speaker 11 second year guy. Exactly.
And it was like,

Speaker 11 we ran the ball, bro, for at least four or five years straight. And I was still getting my numbers.
You know, I went all pro, my fifth year, Pro Bowl, all of that, but not like I should have, right?

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 I would always be like, damn, man, like, was I supposed to get drafted here? Like, I came out of UCLA, Mackey Award winner, all the records, doing my thing.

Speaker 11 Like, I came to Jacksonville and I'm like, bro, I'm blocking ISO, power. I'm doing, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not really being used.
Like, they drafted me in the first round, so I didn't get it.

Speaker 12 That's the best thing to happen for you, Marcedes. You didn't know it.

Speaker 12 Because had you put up those numbers early, and now all of a sudden you're in year 10, year 11, year 12, and they're not the same as they were in year three or four.

Speaker 12 Now, all of a sudden, they're going to say you losing it. But because you didn't have 80, 90 catches in the beginning, they were like,

Speaker 12 And what we're asking him to do hasn't changed for what he's been asked to do the previous team, the previous 12, the previous 15. We looked it up, Mercedes.

Speaker 12 There have only been 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 players to play at least 20 years or more. Most of them,

Speaker 12 as you could imagine, are kickers. No doubt.
George Blando played 26 seasons. He was a quarterback, but his last couple of years, he was mainly a kicker.
Morton Anderson, 25, kicker.

Speaker 12 Adam Veneteri, 24, kicker. Tom Brady, 23, quarterback.
John Carney, 23, kicker. Gary Anderson, kicker.
Jeff Fiegels, 21, punter. Earl Morrow played 21 as a quarterback.

Speaker 12 Jackie Slater, offensive lineman. Daryl Green, cornerback.
Vinny Tess Diverdi, quarterback. Brett Favre, quarterback.
Jason Hanson, kicker.

Speaker 12 And now Mercedes-Lewis is on this list of guys that have played at least 20 seasons or more and you played a position.

Speaker 12 Now, Jackie, I would say Jackie might have had, because Jackie had to bang every play for 20 years.

Speaker 12 For 20 years, sometimes

Speaker 12 you got to run routes.

Speaker 12 20 years is still

Speaker 12 crazy. Let me ask you this.
Are you mad, Mercedes?

Speaker 11 No.

Speaker 12 Because I was going to say, that's an awful long time to ask somebody like, hey, I need you to make these sacrifices for 20. I need you to pick up the kids.
I need you to be the PTA.

Speaker 12 I need you to be the recitals and the football games and all this and all that other stuff.

Speaker 12 So you understand the sacrifices that you make, but when you have a partner, you're also asking them to make said sacrifices.

Speaker 11 100%

Speaker 11 as well. Yeah, absolutely.
Hey, Mercedes,

Speaker 11 what combo sports you do again? Jiu-Jitsu? Muay Thai, Jiu-Jitsu, a little bit of judo, some wrestling. I don't really.

Speaker 12 I think that's you, right? Ocho. You, hey, Ocho ready.
Ocho, say, he wants to do a little. Ocho say, you know, he.
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 11 Hold on, huh. But you know, I got a black belt and all that.

Speaker 12 You got a brown belt too to hold your pants up. Mercedes, I think you, Hey, that's what we want right here.
Mercedes and Ocho.

Speaker 11 Hey, well, you know,

Speaker 11 I got a black belt in Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 11 I'll submit you real quick, bro.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you heard her. Hey, let me tell you something.
Myself, when I'm done with James Harris and I beat his ass, I mean,

Speaker 11 you welcome.

Speaker 11 I mean, whatever you want to do.

Speaker 12 Ocho, start with somebody like at 140. Look at that man.

Speaker 12 You didn't say he's 6'6, 265, 270.

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 listen to me. Mercedes, I'm 6'4, 230, man.
What you talking about?

Speaker 12 So you not gotta worry about his conditioning. He fight.
He MMA. He trains like that.
So you know his conditioning. And I just threw the rules.

Speaker 11 Hold on. Time out.
Time out, man. Stop playing with me on Sweet Jesus, man.
I trained.

Speaker 11 It's just different. It's just different, though, Ojo.
It's

Speaker 11 like if we was just straight boxing,

Speaker 11 potentially, like, you may be able to land a couple shots, but I'll still fight behind my jab. And

Speaker 11 no, hold on. I ain't landed a couple of shots.

Speaker 11 You see how calm I am right now?

Speaker 12 You see how calm I am right now? How you going to get up? I'm calm right now.

Speaker 12 Let me ask you a question, Ocho. How you going to get up? You never fought from your back.
You don't know how to get up.

Speaker 11 Who you talking about, man? I could fight off my back foot, front foot.

Speaker 12 No, I said your back, not your back. From against me.
Your back. Your back.

Speaker 11 Oh, I'm what you. Hey,

Speaker 11 I was the state champion grappler what you talking about

Speaker 12 your ground game like no my ground game yeah his foot game like that running yeah

Speaker 11 it would be it would be dope to uh to roll with you though ochro if you ever want to roll obviously yeah let me know let me know let me know hey what's wrong with my goddamn camera don't start me light as your camera

Speaker 12 we we got we got mercedes talking about you know hey if you want if you want to bang a little bit he hey he ready he got the gear and everything oh you're logging off now huh nah he is hey hey

Speaker 11 hey spram hey spam mercedes bro

Speaker 11 i don't know no spare me the only thing only spare i know about is a tie and it's in my trunk so let me ask you a question so where where's home mercedes uh sherman oaks now oh okay okay okay so you you stayed you stayed in cali yeah i'm in i'm in la um I bought my mom a house in Lakewood, which is about 30 minutes from Long Beach where I grew up at.

Speaker 11 We spent some time in like South Central. Used a relationship, all that.
You know how it go. and um

Speaker 11 for me i bought a house in the casino and then obviously the fires happened it got close to the crib thankfully i was able to sell sell my house um

Speaker 11 last year and then now it's more so just renting to be more cash-free because i'm not sure what i was going to do was i got to play a 20th year or potentially go to the front office or whatever i just didn't know and so right um now i got to hold that off for another two months or three months and figure that out but that's what so you you you're looking at prop potentially thinking the valley is got probably going to be where you set drop anchor at i think so but it's going to be california not necessarily the valley because we don't want to give out your information right but you know probably california you're a cali kid at heart so yeah that's probably where you're gonna set up shop yeah like california is uh

Speaker 11 you know i i feel like like me and my mom are like best friends too i don't know if i could just you know bounce on her like that and then that far away from her yeah and so like i would probably rather stay there but i'm i love to travel too.

Speaker 11 So even if,

Speaker 11 even if I like got something again in, in California, it would probably be like just a dope penthouse or something, something I don't have to worry about maintenance.

Speaker 11 I want the panoramic and I could just pull up, plug and play, and then I travel because having the house and all that is up to you. The mortgage, bro, I'm over it.

Speaker 11 I'm over paying mortgages and interest rates.

Speaker 11 I'm just over it. Man, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 So I just, you know, the older you get, like for me, I've been more of a minimalist or minimalist, the older I've gotten. And so I realized that I don't need a whole bunch to find joy.

Speaker 11 Like I'm, I'm happy inside, you know? So

Speaker 11 all the other things that like, and mind you, playing in Jacksonville, it's not, it wasn't the real NFL experience, right? Like it's not, there's nothing in Jacksonville, right?

Speaker 12 No. You heard that Duval?

Speaker 12 Come on.

Speaker 11 I mean, when I got to Jacksonville, they robbing players.

Speaker 11 It was barely in a year.

Speaker 11 Dudes was getting stuck up at gas stations.

Speaker 11 No, no swear to god dudes getting stuck up at gas stations it was just not i was like dude what am i what am i doing out here like i was born in long beach i i saw all that in long beach went to ucla right that changed right i'm in brentwood yeah you're in westwood you you you between brentwood and beverly

Speaker 11 i get to jacksonville i'm like okay

Speaker 11 We're going backwards now as far as like how I'm living, right?

Speaker 11 And so, yeah, man, at this point, I'm just like,

Speaker 11 the least that I have to worry about, least overhead that i have to worry about can i just pack a bag and go travel and go see the world because playing ball i've been playing pop warning since i was seven have not stopped i'm 41.

Speaker 11 when i retire after this year i just want to see the world man like in a real way you know yeah yeah well well you know uh at your size you know everybody gonna think you did something

Speaker 12 they're gonna so you go to foreign country they gonna be poor they like you did something

Speaker 12 you ain't just big for no reason walking around nah and i'm and i'm low-key too.

Speaker 11 Like, I've already checked into it. Like, certain places, especially in South America, like, I've been to Costa Rica for my birthday, but like,

Speaker 11 I'm getting NFL to give me some security or something. Like, I'm not.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 I'm not walking around, you know, dilly dabbling and not expecting nothing to happen. So

Speaker 12 you definitely got to be on.

Speaker 12 You got to be on your best behavior, watch your six at all times. And the best thing to do is say, hey, NFL, hey, hook it up for your boy.
Come on, man.

Speaker 11 Set me up, please.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 12 Hey, when you're at the broncos what what number are you wearing i'm wearing 89.

Speaker 12 okay you got cargo i thought you go get 84. i was like man make the 84 look good what last time man nah you uh

Speaker 11 best to ever do it bro and ain't no way ain't no way

Speaker 11 and i and i wouldn't even

Speaker 11 i just wouldn't just out of just the respect and and it was crazy because you came up like i'm in there and they're like what number do you want i'm like 89 and they're looking at the thing i was like yeah there's no 89 and then i looked at sean payton and sean payton was like yeah the best tight end ever played here is 84.

Speaker 11 I said, yeah, he's one of the best ever playing this league, too.

Speaker 11 You know what I mean?

Speaker 11 And that's all positions. So that's not even a question.

Speaker 12 I appreciate that, man.

Speaker 11 100%.

Speaker 12 Hey, man, enjoy it, man. Hey.
Broncos look good. They got a nice defense is in a sensational.
Bo Knicks is playing really well. Cortland Sutton, a Mims.

Speaker 12 Hey, they got guys that can go make play, that can run the football with Harvey and Dobbins. Hey, keep it going, man.
And who knows? Might see you in Sam Fran, baby.

Speaker 11 Hey, let's do it, man. I appreciate you guys.
Thanks for having me, bro. This is the first time, you know, me and Sharp actually had a conversation.
So I was geeked for that.

Speaker 11 Ocho, we always be seeing each other out and hollering at each other. John, it was a pleasure, man.
Respect your current.

Speaker 11 Thank you.

Speaker 12 We're going to sit at whatever, Buu Tai, Jitsu, whatever you want to do, whatever you call it, or Mercedes, you call it. Okay.
And we'll get Ocho there.

Speaker 12 And we'll have the Aramedic pick him up and bring him back.

Speaker 11 For sure, man. Appreciate y'all love, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 12 Appreciate you, bro. Have good.

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Speaker 12 offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply he gave it by justin fields johnson it's hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that we got if we could just complete a pass it would look good according to former teams quarterback jordan travis these aren't the only troubling comments johnson has made to one of the team's quarterbacks.

Speaker 12 Despite dealing with serious leg injury, Travis remembers Johnson asking him, Are you ever going to get healthy?

Speaker 12 Travis, there were things that were said to me, not obviously to that point, because I never got on the field to play about my leg. Just slick comments.

Speaker 12 I don't know if he was trying to be slick about it, or you know, how some older men just say whatever comes to their mind. And that kind of made me feel a certain type of way.

Speaker 12 Now, how you feeling, never that. There was always comments like that.

Speaker 12 It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the Jets' troubles, but Robert Salas seems to be the coach defense really well for the 49ers.

Speaker 12 Aaron Rodgers looked pretty good with Pittsburgh. Sam Donald too.
Ocho, Joe, how much blame should we place on ownership led by Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets failure?

Speaker 11 I mean, listen,

Speaker 11 similar to the quarterback situation with the Chicago Bears, for the long, long history of failures that that position as well, I mean, management is to blame as well.

Speaker 11 for the long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time, the identity for the Jets has always been their defense.

Speaker 11 That has always been the better part of the successful part of their team. Obviously, not this year.
And obviously, offense, not this year as well. But I thought,

Speaker 11 I really thought this was Justin Fields' year.

Speaker 11 I thought it would have been his year. He had nothing to worry about.
He had nobody eyeing over his shoulder. It was his team, his team to win, and his team to lose.

Speaker 11 They're one and seven, obviously, beating my Bengals.

Speaker 11 But it is what it is. But I think at some point they will turn it around.
I think he can be the future for the New York Jets.

Speaker 11 Is he going to get that opportunity to be after Woody Johnson came out and said some of the things he said publicly that most owners would say to themselves or people

Speaker 12 stairs?

Speaker 11 You don't, yeah, yeah, you never say anything like that publicly. But it seemed like since Jerry Jones said what he needs to say, other owners are now having the

Speaker 11 onus and the wherewithal to say, you know what, forget it. I'm just going to say how I'm feeling and let them know.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 it has to hurt to know that your owner feels that way. And I still got to go out there and play for him.

Speaker 12 What you think of Joe? Hey, look,

Speaker 11 I agree kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other guys who don't play for that franchise, man, quarterbacks, and they went off and played for other organizations.

Speaker 12 And they've been playing pretty

Speaker 11 playing extremely well. So therefore, yeah, you got to start up top with the organization and how things have been ran because for whatever reason, they hadn't been getting

Speaker 11 great outcomes. Obviously, Justin Fields played great this past week, but man, you hope he can build confidence from that and try to continue to play at an elite level.

Speaker 12 They got to improve the roster overall, Lojo.

Speaker 11 I mean. Yeah.

Speaker 11 But that's hard, huh? You know how much time that took me.

Speaker 11 Will they give Aaron Glenn the time to improve the roster?

Speaker 12 I think because AG played there, I think he'll probably have a little long, I think he'll have a little longer

Speaker 12 leeway than most.

Speaker 12 I don't want to say what we would normally say a longer leash because everybody say he caught you.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 just try to be politically correct. I think he'll have a

Speaker 12 longer opportunity to stay than probably most because of his history with the organization and how well he's played for the organization and what he knows him personally.

Speaker 12 So yes, I do think he'll have a, but look, I don't care who you are. If your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard hard for you to win in this league.

Speaker 12 It's hard.

Speaker 11 Very. But hey, Unc, hey, Joe, situations matter.
Situations on where you play and where you go and what's surrounding you is very, very important, Joe.

Speaker 11 I can't think of it in basketball terms, but maybe Unc and Joe, you could probably relate to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New York Giants in basketball terms?

Speaker 11 And then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going somewhere else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is succeeding in Indianapolis.

Speaker 11 Who would that be in basketball terms? Who would that be?

Speaker 11 Because Daniel Jones balling. I'm talking about killing it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me see.

Speaker 11 The only thing is that Brunson didn't, I mean, he left the Mavericks and went to New York and he balling in New York.

Speaker 12 But that's his own team. Okay.

Speaker 11 But that was it. Yeah.
He was backing up.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? Ain't nobody, ain't nobody overshadowing Luca. Not now.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he, yeah, he was backing up Luca, but he went off. And, you know, obviously, you know what he's doing in New York right now.

Speaker 12 But trying to think who

Speaker 11 because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just, they, they, they let him walk on a battery, didn't they? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 And he ended up with he go. He went to uh, what did he didn't he go to Minnesota for a year? What did Daniel go?

Speaker 11 Yeah, he was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota.

Speaker 11 Went to Minnesota, they went on down to Kendi.

Speaker 12 Uh,

Speaker 11 In basketball, I don't know, man.

Speaker 12 No, but he played, he was good in Chicago.

Speaker 12 Who was that? Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Jimmy was good in Chicago.
Jimmy has been good everywhere he went on. Chicago, Philly.
He's always been consistent. I mean, what he does well.

Speaker 12 See, the thing is, is that we thought, we thought, if you go back and look at Brunson, when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do if he had his own team. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Go back and look at when Luca missed that time and look at what Brunson was doing.

Speaker 12 So now he got his own team. He's going to be the primary ball handler.
He's going to be the primary shot taker. I don't think anybody's surprised by this.
Now,

Speaker 12 maybe the guy averaged 26, 27 points a game in as many 30-point games as he's had, but I thought he would be really well. Now, did I think he'd be an all-NBA selection?

Speaker 12 I wouldn't go that far, but I thought he could make the all-star team. I thought he could make an all-star team.

Speaker 12 Because the guy that's that's been playing that well in spurts, when he has the ball in his hand, and they say, Okay, and

Speaker 12 kids, like, okay, we need you to do more of a role and not be so. Boom, we saw that.
But look, yeah, James Harden.

Speaker 12 We saw what he was, you remember, he was sixth man of the year. Well, he was.

Speaker 12 I'm sure people thought he could be good, but not averaging 36 points a night good. Not changing the game good with that step back.

Speaker 11 Nah.

Speaker 11 Nah.

Speaker 12 Who else was like that?

Speaker 12 Nah, but Shea just didn't get a chance to play.

Speaker 12 If Shay got a chance to play, and plus, look,

Speaker 12 he was not going to do that with the Clippers. Not with Kawhi.

Speaker 12 You had just gave, you had just think about what you got with Kawhi. Kawhi was going to be the main ball handler.
Shea's in a situation.

Speaker 12 Shea knows he can get as many shots as he wants, and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes.

Speaker 11 The Clippers,

Speaker 11 they weren't going to wait for his defeat.

Speaker 12 No, no, they couldn't because Kawhi and you bringing Kawhi and Kawhi wants to win now. And

Speaker 12 he basically said, if you don't get me, Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi, LeBron, and AD, and then you playing in the basement with that? No.

Speaker 12 They had to.

Speaker 12 They had to do it, Ocho.

Speaker 11 I mean, hold on, hold on. I have a question, Joe.
Joe and Uncle.

Speaker 11 If the Clippers knew what they knew now about Shay and how he was

Speaker 11 never traded,

Speaker 11 how do you not see because

Speaker 12 he wasn't

Speaker 12 a rookie, Ocho, and no rookie, because you got to realize he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wasn't AD.
He wasn't Zion that you're running your offense through.

Speaker 12 So now he's in a situation, he's the offense.

Speaker 12 So there's no possible way. It's just like James Harden.

Speaker 12 People thought James could be good because he was a great ISO player.

Speaker 12 When KD and

Speaker 12 Russ went to the bench, James Harden was sensational. But sensational is averaging 16 points a game.
He averaged 36. He had games where he went like 30, 40 games.
He's averaged getting 30 a night.

Speaker 12 60 point triple doubles. 50 point triple doubles.
But

Speaker 12 he knows. It's a lot easier to play, Ocho, if you're the number one and you know you're going to get 12, 13, 14 targets a game.

Speaker 11 Right, I but I understand that, right?

Speaker 11 But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers' organization, those that have been watching the game, scouts, GMs, and understanding you have an eye for talent.

Speaker 11 There's a certain thing that we can see called the it factor,

Speaker 11 it's called the eye test, even if it's not his team. You can tell when the player is going to be special.
You can look at them, their game, their skill set, what they can and what they can't do.

Speaker 11 And when you look at Shay's game on both ends of the court, that's somebody that you say, this MF is special. Hey, Ocho.
I'm not letting him go.

Speaker 11 I think the Clippers knew he was special. I've seen Doc Ripple.
He's coaching the Clippers at the time.

Speaker 11 He said that was the hardest thing to put in the trade was to add Shay into that trade because he knew that Shea was going to be pretty good. Now, I don't know if he thought he was going to be MF,

Speaker 11 but he knew he was going to be good. And then on top of that, Uncle Ocho, you never know, like for Shea, maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him.

Speaker 11 He's been on the show, yeah. You know what I mean? And be like, all right, they got rid of me.
I'm going to show him. You know what I mean?

Speaker 11 And now he's playing at a level to where I don't think nobody's seen this, bro. He's a bucket.
He's 30 points every night. Give or take.
I don't care how much. I don't care what happened.

Speaker 11 He's going to have 30.

Speaker 12 And plus, OJ,

Speaker 12 the biggest free agent available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers.

Speaker 12 Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in do you really want that to happen was that even possible yes was that even was that

Speaker 11 was that realistic that was realistic he was going home he was going kawhi was going back to la i don't know what team yet but he was going back to la for sure okay

Speaker 11 That's crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go. They can pick and choose where they want to go.

Speaker 11 If they say,

Speaker 11 I want to trade, I don't want to be here anymore. The team has no choice but to move on.

Speaker 12 Superstars.

Speaker 11 Well, you have to, because if a guy only has one year left on his deal, Ocho, and he's telling you, you know, he ain't signing back in so many words, then

Speaker 11 you got to trade him to get something back. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 What doomed OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door and didn't get nothing for him.

Speaker 12 Yep. Imagine if you could have traded him before.

Speaker 12 See, he walked out the door and you didn't get anything.

Speaker 12 Nothing. KD at his prime walks out of your door and you don't get anything for him.
The same thing.

Speaker 12 The Clippers could have tried to play, I mean, it's got the Clippers.

Speaker 12 The Hornets, not the Hornets, the Pelicans could have tried to play hardball, but AT contract was coming up. Do you really want Anthony Davis to walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him?

Speaker 12 And you, the Pelicans? Okay, okay. Ain't nobody coming to New Orleans.
I'm sorry. It's a great city.

Speaker 12 I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but you're not getting superstars to come down to New Orleans. You're just not.
So you have to. You don't have a choice.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 what do I do, Ocho? And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that Shea was going to be good, but I don't know if Doc thought he'd be this good.

Speaker 12 Coach Belichick, the reason why they kept Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach Belichick said with a little work, he thought he could be good.

Speaker 12 You thought he was going to be seven Super Bowls good?

Speaker 12 15 pro bowls you thought he was gonna be the all-time leader in passes touchdowns wins super bowl wins super bowl mvps you thought he was gonna be that good because if you did you'd have taken him in the first round you wouldn't have taken him in the sixth round

Speaker 12 and you guess what you'd have started him from day one so you didn't know you thought he could be good

Speaker 12 everybody like oh yeah we knew shedding bro i was my draft pick

Speaker 12 Me making the team was a feat in and of itself, let alone playing able to play 14 years and having the accomplishments.

Speaker 12 Everybody gets to say that after the fact ocho yeah i knew that boy was gonna make it oh i knew oh i saw him at high school i thought i told such and such that boy gonna make it

Speaker 12 right

Speaker 11 hey it's a lot it's a lot that has to transpire and a lot has to transpire

Speaker 11 along along that journey man you know what i mean the things that mold us uh uh into becoming pro professional athletes the things that we go through man it's it's ultimately uh it determines pretty much your longevity in the game or how you approach the game.

Speaker 11 So when you look at Shea, this is like when I look at Shea, I'm like, damn, can you imagine him in LA in that new arena they got over there?

Speaker 12 And that's, and think about it. That was another reason.
They're getting better to build a new arena. What do you need to go into a new arena, Joe? Superstars.

Speaker 12 Superstars. People would tell me.

Speaker 12 Oh, Kawhi ain't better than SGA. Maybe not now.

Speaker 12 If you think SGA in his first to second year was better than Kawhi, y'all a damn fool. Y'all out y'all damn mind.

Speaker 12 That man was a two-time defensive player of the year and a two-time finals MVP.

Speaker 12 The man is one of the 75 greatest players of all time.

Speaker 12 What do you mean? Okay, if you want to say he's not better than Shea now, I'm not finna fight you. As a matter of fact, I'm going to put my hand behind the chair.

Speaker 12 You know what I'm saying? Joe, I ain't going to fight him. But come on now.
Y'all make it seem like Kawhi was a bum and he was far from it. He's still not.
Is he injury prime?

Speaker 12 yes has injury robbed him of some of his best years yes but to say

Speaker 12 that he was sga was better at that time is just not true because i remember before jaja pacheep shot stuck his foot up under uh uh kawaii

Speaker 12 they had to they had to uh golden state down by like 18.

Speaker 12 yeah yeah kawaii was kawaii was a really kawhi was a great player there's a reason why he's a a two-time champion He's a two-time defensive player of the year.

Speaker 12 He could play both ends of the court and he can play it well. But injuries have robbed him of some of his best years.

Speaker 11 Hey, how tall is Kawhi? I'm Kwai like 6'7.

Speaker 11 6'7? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

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