Best of NFL News Part 2: Browns DODGE Shedeur, Jets STRUGGLE, Richardson DISSED?!

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Speaker 11 The Browns bench Joe Flacco after a one and three stint as a starter. Rookie Dylan Gabriel is one in three.

Speaker 12 Many in Cleveland are wondering if Shadur Sanders now deserves his own shot. Well, today, Kevin Stefanski was asked by Mary Kay Cabot whether he's considering the possibility of playing Shadur.

Speaker 12 His response, the focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay. That's not my focus.

Speaker 12 Guys, can we stop asking these questions? Y'all know this man don't want to play Shadua. You know that.

Speaker 12 People, we know that. And people,

Speaker 12 I see people, you know,

Speaker 12 in the chat, not in the chat, but just in general, when we talk about Acclaim the Browns, they talk about, oh, it's,

Speaker 12 damn, what's the word?

Speaker 12 When they don't like someone and they, they,

Speaker 12 they're doing them wrong. I forgot the word to use.
But listen, we already know what the play was. We already know what the play was.
They didn't want him.

Speaker 12 It was Drew Berry. No, Andrew Berry.
Andrew. It was Andrew Berry's pick.

Speaker 12 It wasn't the owner. It wasn't Sefanski.
So, this is exactly what they want. This is exactly what they want.

Speaker 12 It seemed as if someone forced their hand to take this pick and they don't want to give him an opportunity to play the game.

Speaker 12 From the small sample size that we've seen from Dylan Gabriel, he has now had, he's played four games.

Speaker 12 They're one and three. He won't push the ball down the field.
It's hard.

Speaker 12 You can't run the ball, and all you do is that

Speaker 12 you short fish.

Speaker 12 You catch the the big fish the big fish don't swim close along the shore they're out in the deep and so to get points you got to push the ball down the field at some point yeah but i maybe he's maybe he's not he's not that comfortable doing just that yet because we saw him push that push the ball down the field in the goddamn preseason we saw him push the ball down the field i see him i saw him throw short balls i thought i saw him throw idy meeted i saw him throw dig routes I didn't really see him throw anything deep, but I think there's a certain level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively, they're not calling plays for him to push the ball down the field.

Speaker 12 Because obviously, maybe that's not what he's good at.

Speaker 12 That's the only thing I think of. But if he was good at doing it, you will call the plays that call for him to do just that, what we're asking of, in order for you to win games.

Speaker 12 He's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games.

Speaker 12 And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understands that my job is on the line because this is the guy I stood up on the table for and who I wanted to make the starter of our team.

Speaker 12 At some point, you're going to lose the locker room too, huh yeah

Speaker 12 and you're going to lose the locker room it just take the right person to say something like denzel ward or miles garrett you know you know your captains you'd be like listen we need to do something

Speaker 12 i mean to see miles garrett frustrated like that the way the way he was understanding that uh offensively we not getting it done knowing the change needs to be made I mean, but I think that's a hill that Kevin Stefan is willing to die on because this is my guy.

Speaker 12 And he knows, I mean, his job ain't in jeopardy he's not in the hot seat not in the hot seat so you don't think so no hell no absolutely not

Speaker 12 joe flacco training cam completion percentage was 58.7 in his first in his four starts he was at 69

Speaker 12 then he went to 56

Speaker 12 58 in his last game as a starter he was 47 percent um

Speaker 12 Hey, somebody in the chat, funny as hell. Tell me about, yeah, Dylan Gabriel did throw it down the field, but it got intercepted.

Speaker 12 And look, man, look, I'm just tired of like, man, push a door.

Speaker 12 They don't seem as interested in putting Shaduri in as we're interested in seeing him.

Speaker 12 And who knows what would happen if he got in there? But I think we want to see what would happen. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And my thing is, you're like, well, he didn't play. He wasn't even the number two.
Bailey Zappy was the number two on Sunday. So he had to deal with a back injury.
Well, how you heard it?

Speaker 12 Well, he just stayed on the sideline so I could get why his back was tight. Hold on.

Speaker 12 Hi, how he had a back surgery, but he was out there throwing balls in pregame. I'm just, uh, I'm just saying that he's out there warming up throwing balls.
Look, you know, ain't nothing wrong.

Speaker 12 Ain't nothing wrong with him. The same way it ain't nothing wrong with JJ McCarthy.
There's nothing wrong with him. This is just the game that they do play.

Speaker 12 If you understand the game and understand what they will do and what they will report, knowing that there's nothing wrong with you to cover their you-know-what

Speaker 12 and get us on the outside to shut up. But listen, I played the game.
I understand some of the things that you will do when you don't really want a person to actually be in the game and a contribute.

Speaker 12 You don't want to look wrong. You don't want to be wrong in the decisions that you've made.
Of course, you're not going to play him because you know he probably will go in there and succeed.

Speaker 12 Shador Sanders works and operates very well in a chaotic environment. And that's the environment that has been created for him because of who he is.
And obviously, also because

Speaker 12 they didn't want him. But he will operate very well in this type environment.
And they don't want that to happen. So what do we do? We say he's hurt.
His back is messed up.

Speaker 12 You tell the reporters, Kempston Fancy says, hey, don't ask me.

Speaker 12 The focus is what it is right now. It's Dylan Gabriel and doing everything we can to make sure he improves week to week.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 12 the clock is ticking. because the next thing that's going to happen, it ain't going to be the reporter saying something and asking questions.
It's going to be the own players in your locker room.

Speaker 12 Dylan Gabriel, his training camp completion percentage was 55%.

Speaker 12 In his four starts, he was at 58%, 56%, 72%,

Speaker 12 60%.

Speaker 12 Yeah. So it looks like he's right about where he was in training camp.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And because

Speaker 12 they don't have the best playmakers,

Speaker 12 they don't have the Detroit skilled position players. They don't have Green Bay skill position players.
They don't have

Speaker 12 Senses.

Speaker 12 They don't have CD and pick.

Speaker 12 That's not what they have. So when you don't have that level of talent on the outside and you have a marginal quarterback, what do you think you're going to get?

Speaker 12 Listen, you know what? Then the onus, the onus at that point, is on the office of coordinator. Who's calling the plays? Mr.
Van Etsky.

Speaker 12 Okay. Well, listen, I understand I have a quarterback right here in Dylan Gabriel.
There are certain weaknesses that he does have. I have Njuku,

Speaker 12 Tillman, Jerry Judy. I know what they can do.
I know what they can do. I know what their strengths are.

Speaker 12 How can I put them in the positions creatively, creativity,

Speaker 12 in a creative way? Creatively.

Speaker 12 Yeah, creatively.

Speaker 12 What's wrong with me? I'm talking too damn fast. Creatively to hide some of the things and the flaws that Dylan Gabriel is not good at.

Speaker 12 So now you

Speaker 12 can't make him taller. So

Speaker 12 you can't make him grow four inches.

Speaker 12 So you can't do anything about that. You can't make him have a stronger arm.
You can't do anything about that. No.
His offensive line is not the best.

Speaker 12 There's not anything you can do about that because you have what you have.

Speaker 12 So I don't really know where you, I don't know how much better it can get for the Browns based on what you have currently. Yeah, I listen.

Speaker 12 I don't don't know.

Speaker 12 I'm all out of suggestions. I mean, everyone else has suggested, you know, do this, do that.

Speaker 12 What everybody wanted, you got what you wanted. You got your quarterback.
You got Joe Flacco going, now having success, you know, in the air, throwing two of the

Speaker 12 greatest duo in the NFL. Now Dylan Gabriel is your quarterback, but you're still in the same, you're still in the same place.
You're still in the same position.

Speaker 12 You think your duo better than Dallas a duo?

Speaker 12 Come again,

Speaker 12 ask me that one more time. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Before you ask me, think about what you asked me, then ask me again, then ask me.

Speaker 12 I will ask you, do you believe that your duo is better

Speaker 12 than Dallas' duo? Well, not only do I believe that our duo is better than Dallas' duo, but

Speaker 12 it's

Speaker 12 we are better. We are better as a whole.
And this is no disrespect to CDN pick, but they right below us. And it's close too, huh? You hear me?

Speaker 12 me yeah he down right is close i mean let me stay with me man it's it's it's close but because of jamar chase

Speaker 12 it edges us out okay and tt is very good you know george picking can do what t higgins does yeah i think you do a little better yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah

Speaker 12 i think so bad that pick they they they they about they about equivalent now he can go up and get it you know uh t could run them routes them them them 50 50 balls turn to 80 20 when it's them two yeah

Speaker 12 And the thing I like about Pick is: Pick is angry. He gets his ball hands on the ball.
He's like, You got to tackle me. I ain't going down.
I ain't running out of bounds.

Speaker 12 You're going to have to tackle me.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I love that. And I love the focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas.
I love that.

Speaker 12 I love that. I told you.

Speaker 12 It was a simple question. I just

Speaker 12 Shadur has been liking IG posts today that are calling for him to start for the Browns after after the bye week.

Speaker 12 We'll see. Whatever you got to do.

Speaker 12 Whatever you got to do. And obviously, going into the bye week, this is the Browns bye week, right? Yes.
They definitely not.

Speaker 12 They're definitely not going to name the starter doing the bye week, but we're going to see what happens.

Speaker 12 We're going to give Dylan Gabriel another week, another week to get to get better, to improve himself based on what he's done so far with the four stars he's had.

Speaker 12 I wonder who they got coming out the buy, huh?

Speaker 12 That's as shoot they have coming out of the bye oh man and my thing is ocho is that

Speaker 12 no you don't have to do anything it's just like who

Speaker 12 they got the jets coming out of the bye

Speaker 12 ain't no telling i think that's as good that's as good as any time to let should do a start well in the jets yeah Yeah, I think Dylan Gabriel will be the start against the Jets. Ain't no telling.

Speaker 12 Jets might come out there and mollywalk. you know what?

Speaker 12 Oh, they already beat y'all, so they got confidence now. Don't do that.
Don't do that. Let's not bring up the past.
Let's not bring up the past.

Speaker 12 Let's look forward because in the Bible, it said, do not look that behind you. Therefore, so you can see where you go with.

Speaker 12 I don't know. Your eyes closed the way they beat y'all up.

Speaker 12 You know, look, there's only so much because I think the thing is, I think for the most part, he's done, he said all the right things.

Speaker 12 I'm a support Dylan, you know, hey, he's blocked, you know, we're in that room. I think everybody, when Joe is in the room, I think Shadura is saying all the right things.

Speaker 12 I think he's been coached up. I think he's been groomed to play that position, to say all the right things, because you are corporate when you're in that position.

Speaker 12 But I think deep down, he believes he's better than Dylan Gabriel. You know, he believed that.

Speaker 12 Every player that has competition at a specific position believes they're better than the person that's in front of them. yeah

Speaker 12 you know and and unfortunately y'all won't he said unfortunately y'all won't give me an opportunity to show you that i'm better

Speaker 12 i mean look there's only one way there's only one way to prove it give him go let him go out there and and give him four stars and let's see i think the thing is ocho i think they're gonna let this thing with dylan gabriel go a little longer for the simple fact you don't want to play you've already moved on from joe flacco joe flacco got four starts are we really trying to give dylan gabriel four stars okay give shadour four stars it don't work out with shadour go back to dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 12 It don't work out with Dylan Gabriel, go back to Shadur.

Speaker 12 I don't know if that's where you want to be at, Ocho. I don't.
I don't think that's where you want to be. Listen, listen,

Speaker 12 Defanski is in a tough position, though.

Speaker 12 He's in a tough position.

Speaker 12 Damn it, you do, damn it, if you don't. Yeah, basically, that's exactly what it is.
But I think it's okay for them to have a quarterback carousel and being able to make

Speaker 12 those changes when necessary, because you need to find out what you need to do for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 12 They're probably going to go back in the draft and get a quarterback. But I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, I'm looking around the

Speaker 12 college right now. I don't see anybody.
I don't see anybody that blowing my socks off like, oh, I got to get them. I got to have him.

Speaker 12 And I'm glad you just say that because obviously everything at the quarterback level, there's been some great quarterback play in college football, but there's none that's going to come to the Cleveland Browns and be like, oh, shoot, we found the one.

Speaker 12 There's nobody. Cleveland's more than a player away, though, Joe.
That's the problem.

Speaker 12 They're more than a player away what do you mean but they're more than a player away but if they can get the right quarterback which is the problem for the past now 36 years

Speaker 12 then you're a little closer to where you want to get to but you can't even get past you can't even get past step one no you ain't been able to well you had the quarterback in a minute you had the quarterback you just needed to get some pieces around bed and let him heal yeah but you know the damage was done uh you you you you know i guess conversation you know he felt like

Speaker 12 they wanted him to be something that he wasn't. They wanted him to be more buttoned up, more structured.
And he's a guy that he wants to dance. He, he cool with the locker room, the guys like him.

Speaker 12 And so that wasn't their cup of tea.

Speaker 12 Well,

Speaker 12 if the guy's gonna win, damn your cup of tea. I'm trying to win.

Speaker 12 Yeah, hey, that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Speaker 12 Especially for quarterbacks, it's based on wins,

Speaker 12 wins and losses. Yes.

Speaker 12 So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think, you know,

Speaker 12 Cleveland goes quiet for a minute. There's no games.
There's nothing to report.

Speaker 12 I don't know how much they're going to. Oh, they get the whole week off of the bye week.
They gone.

Speaker 12 What you mean gone? They practicing. They ain't practicing.
You got to get the week off.

Speaker 12 Wait, they changed the rules or something? Yeah. Ash, look up and see.
I think that's a rule. You get the whole week off.
Oh, man. I ain't never see.
Man, what? No, hell no.

Speaker 12 We got Thursday.

Speaker 12 Man,

Speaker 12 normally we got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. We had a half day Thursday.
If everything went good, you know, we got a half day Thursday. But it was, I hope, now we got a week in Baltimore.

Speaker 12 But Mike Shanahan went playing that. I don't know.
I don't know. I was like, damn.
I was like, man, they, man, such a sub. Yeah, we getting a whole week off.
I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 12 We ain't got no week off.

Speaker 12 They get the whole week off, yeah. That's crazy.
So they got to do any work they want to do all by yourself. But obviously during the bye week, you want to get away from football.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You want to reset mentally. You want to reset mentally.
Get yourself away from anything football related. Go home.
You know, get in your game. I mean, just do whatever you did.

Speaker 12 Detach from the game of football in your bye week. That's the point of it.
And when you do come back, you'd be ready to hit it.

Speaker 12 All I know is I heal a lot of my own injuries. You're nothing to keep me here on the bye week because I got something.
I'm nicked. Oh, hell.

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Speaker 12 End of the day.

Speaker 11 Like your quarterback Carson Wentz is set to undergo season ending shoulder surgery on his non-throwing shoulder, Ocho, and will be placed on injured reserve.

Speaker 12 J.J. McCarthy began the season as the starter, but has missed the last six games with a high ankle sprain.
He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit.

Speaker 12 The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer.

Speaker 12 JJ is not. Uh-uh.

Speaker 12 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 12 uh he was undrafted so you know even less about him jj mccarthy has now only played two of 24 regular season games since he was drafted with the number 10 pick in the 2024 draft oh joe i got how bad are the vikings missing sam darno listen they missing sam darno very very much so very much so listen the way sam darno played last year i still for the life of me can't understand why you let him walk out that door i just don't understand for the life of me and not knowing what you were getting with jj mccarthy understand he was a high-round high-ground pick.

Speaker 12 I know what he did in Michigan. I get that.
But listen, there's no problem with him sitting behind and learning from Sam Donald with the way he played last year.

Speaker 12 You don't let a quarterback, as hard as it is, to come by quarterbacks that you can find that can maximize everything you want to do offensively.

Speaker 12 He did everything well. He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets.
He didn't look like the Sam Donnell in goddamn Carolina. But for some reason, everything in Minnesota, it looked good.

Speaker 12 He looked very good, similar to how Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn Indianapolis Colts, like a completely different person. Oh, yeah, a completely different person.

Speaker 12 And the same person is still carrying on right now in Seattle. He's still on the same thing.
Yes. And now you're struggling.
Now you're having quarterback walls. He didn't know what to do.

Speaker 12 And I think they're not playing JJ McCarthy on purpose.

Speaker 12 It can't be nothing wrong with him. Can't be.
I mean, he was out a long time with a high ankle sprain. Normally, guys, guys were getting back in three high-end, four-week.

Speaker 12 This would will be six weeks that he's missed. I'm just saying.

Speaker 12 You know, Goodwill ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle.
You know that. Boy, JJ, hey, Justin Jefferson, boy, he's going to cut up this week.
You hear me?

Speaker 12 But let things don't go right. Let things don't go the way they should be.

Speaker 12 You know, they love calling players divas and all this that are passionate and want to win and understanding that in order for me to have success, in order for us to have team success, we got to have the most important position, have a good person, a good player with the ball.

Speaker 12 And we don't have that, hey, them great players that we all love, they start to act up now.

Speaker 12 You laughing.

Speaker 12 They love the, I'm not sure where that, what that, with that term diva came from. I'm not sure, you know, but you know, when certain, when some.
Circ came from y'all misbehaving.

Speaker 12 Yeah, hey, we don't misbehave. We're just passionate about the position that we do play.

Speaker 12 What y'all call it?

Speaker 12 Yeah, we like to show a little enthusiasm, you know, a little in it, a little energy. You know,

Speaker 12 when we do it, it's called deals. When they do it, it's called

Speaker 12 passion, huh? Called passion. Yeah, it's called, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, the word, the definition change depending on the, let me, let me, I'm not going to go there.

Speaker 12 It's been reported that Wentz tore his labrum and dislocated his shoulder in week five, and they still played. Let that sink in.

Speaker 12 So he's got a torn labrum and his non-throwing shoulder, and it's dislocated.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 you're asking him to play through that.

Speaker 12 You got a guy that you took with the number 10 pick last year that you were so set that he was going to be your guy that you let a guy walk out the door that had thrown like 30 plus high 30 touchdowns for you.

Speaker 12 And fewer than I think fewer than 15 interceptions, if I'm not mistaken. So you let that guy walk out the door.
But now you got a guy that's a journeyman. He's turned into a journeyman.

Speaker 12 Yes, he was the number two pick in the draft. And yeah, he had a nice two, three year run and Philly and then it all fell apart.
And he's bounced around ever since.

Speaker 12 But so now he's a journeyman quarterback. You're willing to keep a journeyman.
You're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn labrum and a different, what's being reported? I don't know.

Speaker 12 I'm just reading what's being reported. You're asking a guy that's a journeyman quarterback that has a torn labrum and a dislocated non-throwing shoulder to go out there and gut it up.

Speaker 12 Instead of putting a guy out there that was a high draft pick that you believe so much in, a guy that you saw go through the totality of a season and play exceptionally well, you let him walk out the door.

Speaker 12 Hey,

Speaker 12 I know what Sam Donnell looks like before he left. Might have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, but the position he put you in in the regular season, to even be in contention,

Speaker 12 to be in the playoffs, was phenomenal. It was a great run.
And it was the kind of run. where you bring someone like that back who gives you a chance.
He puts you in position.

Speaker 12 He allows you to maximize what you want to do offensively with his decision making and chemistry that he built with Hogginson, Addison, and Justin Jefferson. You don't

Speaker 12 let that walk out the door because now you have a situation like you do now where we're saying, God damn, J.J. McCarthy has been injured on the sideline with a high ankle sprain for six weeks.

Speaker 12 I know that's a lie. I know the devil is a lie.

Speaker 12 Somebody lying. I don't know who it is because now you're not sure.

Speaker 12 Now you really don't want to put him out there based on what you saw already when when he was, when he had the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like it should.

Speaker 12 It doesn't look like you guys made the right choice. So now you're relying on Carson Wentz to save the day.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 look, and he look, Ocho, he's only in his second year, so he could get better. But I have my questions about him because they ran the ball way more at Michigan than they threw it.

Speaker 12 So I was always like, okay, what happens when they're going to require you to throw the ball?

Speaker 12 The days of you just being able to run the football, you got to throw it in this league. I don't care care who you are.

Speaker 12 They're going to come a time that you're going to have to, and more times than not, you're going to need to throw the football. And so I was always a little leery on that part.
Now, I will say this.

Speaker 12 Look, I thought they could have kept Sam Darnold, but I knew they wouldn't keep Sam Darnold for the simple fact of the money and they tied up into J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 12 He was the number 10 pick in the draft, Ojo.

Speaker 12 And, but it wasn't a lot of money. Now, if Minnesota had backed the Brinks truck up and said, okay,

Speaker 12 we got 40 45 50 million i get minnesota but this is a very digestible contract this was almost like a baker mayfield contract yes 30 million is is is is is is is the is the lower level of a starting quarterback yep and so i was a little surprised that they didn't that it didn't go to 30 that they didn't look at least for another year or two Hell, if,

Speaker 12 and I get it, this is not a very fair assessment, but Jordan Love rode the bench. Now he's backing up somebody much more substantial and proven, but he sat his ass on the bench.

Speaker 12 Aaron Rodgers sat the bench. So there's no harm in that.
And look,

Speaker 12 if Sam Donner doesn't make it this year,

Speaker 12 but Sam Donner is not old. Sam Donnell is 26.

Speaker 12 So if he continues to play well, hell, I'll move on from J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 12 I ship his ass out.

Speaker 12 Because J.J. McCarthy is what? How much younger is J.J.
McCarthy than

Speaker 12 Sam Donald Ash?

Speaker 12 Because I think Sam Donnell is 26 years of age.

Speaker 12 So it's not like he's 30, 32, and plus you're dealing with a quarterback. So they, they, you know, they like dog years.
That 20, that 20, that 26 is really like 14. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 So it's not like other positions. How old is J.J.
McCarthy, and how old is Sam Darnall?

Speaker 12 Okay, Sam Darnley is 28. JJ McCarthy is 22.
He's only 22. 22, yeah.
Oh, man.

Speaker 12 Listen,

Speaker 12 I'm not a GM. I'm not an owner, but I understand.
I know who gives us our best chance to win. And I'm not gambling regardless of him being the number 10 pick.
There's no problem with him sitting.

Speaker 12 He has a team-friendly contract. Even being the number 10 pick, I'm bringing Donald back and giving him that lower tier, no disrespect.
I'm speaking in football terms of quarterback. Quarterback down.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and quarterback money to see what he can do for us the next two or three years.

Speaker 12 At least the next two before I have to, because I really don't have to make a decision on Sam,

Speaker 12 on JJ McCarthy, OTO, until year four going into year five. I got to make a decision.

Speaker 12 So I don't have to do a deal with him. I mean, obviously, guys that are playing get deals done after their third year if they're that guy.
So I get that. But theoretically,

Speaker 12 I could go into year four. Says, okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Darnley.
I think we've maxed him out okay jj i'm gonna give you a year to prove it and then

Speaker 12 with a

Speaker 12 but i'm not in a situation but i think the thing is ocho going into that year that year four now i got to pick up his fifth year option yeah hey and one thing about it too you know what i don't like you know i think it's the perfect situation for him you played at michigan so you used to be in that type of environment Obviously, you come from a school where you ran the ball, you know, a high percentage of the time, but you're a quarterback.

Speaker 12 You're a quarterback. you're in the nfl now and if you can't throw the ball to jordan addison hawkinson and justin jefferson you don't belong

Speaker 12 you you you just don't oh yeah

Speaker 12 you you just don't belong because that's one of the better receiving cores in the nfl and even if even if you can't bring yourself to their level of play they're so good they can hide whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback and the fact that he can play going at the week six and we talk about it's still an ankle sprain something ain't right and they're damn sure no high ankle sprain it that that's not it i mean we we know that and i'm not sure what they're trying to hide but whatever weakness it is that he may have as a quarterback they have to find a way to hide it because you have the players around him that can hide it you have the players around them can hide it

Speaker 12 well i i think the thing is ocho you can only hide it for so long it's like an easter egg they might not find it but somebody gonna find them eggs So whatever your weakness is as a quarterback, Ocho, we're gonna find it sooner or later.

Speaker 12 Because as long as you continue to play, we're going to find out where you weak at.

Speaker 12 That's just, that's just how, that's just how,

Speaker 12 that's just how it is. And so I agree with you.

Speaker 12 I just knew based on the NFL,

Speaker 12 the number 10 pick, they really like this guy

Speaker 12 that,

Speaker 12 but and also, I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that he wanted to be guaranteed a starting job Seattle guaranteed him a starting job.
Okay. Oh, you talk about Sam Darnold.
Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 12 Okay. Okay

Speaker 12 And so under that those circumstances, but it's hard for me to believe Ocho somebody gonna pay you $30 million and you don't start. Yeah

Speaker 12 And there aren't very many places that he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where they weren't going to

Speaker 12 guarantee him the starting job. It wasn't anybody there.
You're going to have to look over your shoulder and understand, okay, the pressure is on me.

Speaker 12 If I don't play well, they're probably going to put this guy in.

Speaker 12 You're in a great spot. I think Minnesota would have been a great spot for him to come back.
I'm not sure what management was thinking.

Speaker 12 There's a reason why I'm not a GM. There's a reason why I'm not an owner because that's the choice of the decision I would have made.
And now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is flourishing.

Speaker 12 The CSN are having a effing ball.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 and I think, Ocho, when they moved on from they moved on from gino yeah um now you look at a situation they moved on from dk they moved on from locket it seems like locket went to tennessee now he's going to be reunited with pete carroll and uh gino and and and in las vegas uh

Speaker 12 maybe a lot of people like man what do they have they got jackson smith and jigba they got jsn and he is phenomenal

Speaker 12 and listen

Speaker 12 what we can do as well because he's not too far removed from winning a triple crown. I love Cooper Cup.
He might not be the Cooper Cup old.

Speaker 12 Cooper Cup at

Speaker 12 plays.

Speaker 12 He's still one of the better route runners, one of the better creatives of what I like to say, artistry when it comes to running routes.

Speaker 12 He's still one of those, despite what people may think.

Speaker 12 He's not going to be used like that.

Speaker 12 That's not Sean McVay's system. Sean McVay, if you look at the way Sean McVay used Cooper Cup, you look at the way Sean McVay used Puka Nakua.

Speaker 12 That's not what he is. They're not going to use him like that because first, he's not the number one.
That's JSN. Yes.
So now the JSN, he's going to get the favorable.

Speaker 12 He's going to get the favorable play calls. He's going to be the first target.

Speaker 12 And so, but if you go back and look at it, Locho, I think Cooper Cup only had one 1,000-yard receiving season. That was the triple crown season season.

Speaker 12 That's funny how that works, right? That's funny.

Speaker 12 And I saw that before with understandable, damn you won the triple crown and i remember going back and looking at some of his numbers me and tj hush mizada were talking about it at one point and he told me well go look at all the stats from from before that and it's unbelievable with the right system with the right coach and putting you in the right position and right position to make certain plays they can manipulate the offense to where you can succeed no matter what yeah no matter what yep you can do it and obviously when it was time to work and wiggle him out that system here comes puguenokua yeah you you draft players, you draft players, you need smart players.

Speaker 12 Those guys on the bigger side, they're not your typical slot.

Speaker 12 You look at Puka, you look at Cooper Cup, they're not these, they're not the Julian Edelman, they're not the West Welkers, they're not your typical slot receivers.

Speaker 12 They're on the bus on the bigger side, which means they're going to have to be able to take more punishment. Because when you catch that many balls, Ocho, you got to get a damn assload of targets.

Speaker 12 Because Cooper Cup caught 140-something balls, that means he's won 9,200 targets.

Speaker 12 1,900 and what, 1,930-yard receiving yards? He was well over 2,000. He was probably that, he was damn near 200 catches on the season.

Speaker 12 When you tally up what he did in the postseason and you look at the yardage, he was what he was like, I think he was like 2,3, 2,400 receiving yards. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 12 And you look at what he did in the playoff games.

Speaker 12 So he probably had another 30, another 30-plus catches. So you figure to tackle another 30, 35 catches with another 45, 50 targets.
Now you see,

Speaker 12 hell, he might have had 230, 250 targets and caught 190 of them. When I think about it like that, as dynamic,

Speaker 12 as dynamic of a playmaker as he was, I would always, I always sit back and hypothetically think, damn, I wonder what my numbers would look like in that situation.

Speaker 12 Being that, you know, I'm, but we're, we're, we're a lot of punishment, though, Joe. Huh?

Speaker 12 That's a lot of punishment hey i i could take punishment you know i ain't got no problem going across that middle and doing some of doing some of the things that really made me uncomfortable i can sit there and tell you now i mean i wasn't comfortable you know sitting there running running screens i i don't like that i i like to be having a somewhat of a no you're not gonna catch that many balls getting pushed down the field ocho

Speaker 12 they can't throw that big ball pushing you out of the field not no not no hundred and you know he caught 140 something balls so think about how many how many how many screens bubble screens that he actually caught i don't like how many how many how many little smoke routes yeah i don't like those huh i mean i'm gonna be honest with you it that it it it gives me a certain level of uncertainty a certain level of uncomfortability with with me not being able to have my eyes on what's in front of me and me having to focus on the ball now having to run a route and understanding being able to read defenses and knowing where everybody's going to be and what their job and knowing when I can get out of breaks, I can protect myself.

Speaker 12 I know what's coming. I know where you're coming from.
I know where the the pursuit is coming from.

Speaker 12 But having to turn real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm a damn pump return, that makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 12 I'm like that.

Speaker 13 Through the first eight weeks of the season, the Colts and Daniel Jones have been the biggest surprise.

Speaker 13 With Andy signed Jones this offseason, he was widely viewed as another option behind 2023 number four pick Anthony Richardson. But Jonathan Taylor realized the job with Jones after the first practice.

Speaker 13 When he first got into training camp and he called check

Speaker 13 that's in the playbook. But if you've been here, one of those checks that's like, oh yeah, we call that sometimes.
The fact that he called is like, did this guy have the playbook six months ago?

Speaker 13 That's what I understood. Oh, okay.
His level of preparation is different. For him to come in day one, day two, and make that call, make that check.
He's been studying.

Speaker 13 It's day one of install, and he's already that far ahead. I'm like, this guy is legit.

Speaker 13 Yes, sir.

Speaker 13 I don't know how. I'm going to ask you.
I know how I took that.

Speaker 13 I know how I took that.

Speaker 13 He didn't say it. He heaped from praise.
But that was a,

Speaker 13 I think that was a shot at the.

Speaker 13 Go ahead. But you go ahead.
What you think, Coach? What you think?

Speaker 12 I think players don't intend to take shots at other individuals that play the same position when praising another. I think just

Speaker 12 praising the fact that Daniel Jones was so well informed with the offense to have already been there.

Speaker 12 To know it the way, to know it, the ins and outs and the nuances of it after just getting there. It's like, well, golly.

Speaker 12 But you also have to understand what Daniel Jones is fighting for.

Speaker 12 He's fighting for a job, an opportunity to start after leaving somewhere. It just didn't work.

Speaker 12 And maybe this could have been a good thing for Anthony Richardson in the seat. Okay, now

Speaker 12 I have a better understanding of what I need to do, the way to conduct myself, not only as a pro, but as quarterback number one. Well,

Speaker 12 was quarterback number one of a team. This is the stuff I needed to do.

Speaker 12 Make sure I succeeded, not just in the classroom, not just in practice, but the results of doing so and putting the work in is going to show up on Sundays where it mattered most.

Speaker 13 I don't think. Jonathan Taylor was intentionally trying to take a swipe at Anthony Richardson.
He was heaping praise, but in the process of heaping praise, people are going to look like, well, damn,

Speaker 13 he just got there a month ago, and you got a quarterback that's been there for two years and he never did anything like this. And he had the playbook.

Speaker 13 So that's the thing, though, Ocho. No, was he out there trying to say, well, hey, we've heard stories, he used first elite, first in, he used the last in the first out.
They benched him

Speaker 13 for a reason.

Speaker 13 But that's what, I mean, the quarterback, the preparation has to be so intense.

Speaker 13 And if you, and a lot of times, that's why they go ahead and get mad because they're like, I can't be out there. I need to be home.
I need to be in front of this projector.

Speaker 13 And I need to, I want an iPad now, Ojo. And I need to be going through and I need my mind focused on how I need home.

Speaker 13 And so they're going over and over and over and over.

Speaker 13 I told you from day one, once I saw what he was getting paid, I said, oh, he's going to be a starter.

Speaker 13 He ain't going to be a starter, OJ.

Speaker 12 I'm not even sure when I saw that too. Obviously, it's what it's just having common sense and understanding the game, understanding the business at that.

Speaker 12 Yep, damn.

Speaker 13 What? What I didn't understand

Speaker 13 if you got a project, okay? Somebody say you got a project car or you got a project home. Oh, Joe, you don't try to drive the car.
You say you got to fix something. You got a project.

Speaker 13 It's going to take work. It's going to take you six months.
It's going to take you a year to get it operational. You got a project home.

Speaker 13 You're like, oh man, I got this. I bought this home, but I'm going to fix it up.
You don't try to live in it.

Speaker 13 You said this guy was a project. He had immense talent and he does.

Speaker 13 And you start him?

Speaker 13 What changed?

Speaker 13 Bait, just go back and look at his tape from high school. Look at his tape from college.
And you tell me this man should have been a starter from day one?

Speaker 13 No, Ocho, no.

Speaker 13 You did him a huge disservice.

Speaker 13 Can he go somewhere else? It's going to take, I mean, he's got something. He needs to go get with someone to understand mechanics of throwing everything.

Speaker 13 You can't be throwing the football like you're trying to throw it through a hurricane because nothing has touched. Everything is 100 miles an hour.

Speaker 13 Shallow cross is throwing it like he's throwing a far cross or deep over.

Speaker 13 No, bro.

Speaker 13 And look, give Daniel Jones credit.

Speaker 13 He's come in. And like you said, the situation didn't work out

Speaker 13 in New York. He had to sit the bench in Minnesota.

Speaker 13 But he got an opportunity. And he says, if I get another opportunity.

Speaker 12 You got to take advantage of it.

Speaker 13 I'm not letting you.

Speaker 12 You're not going to get too many.

Speaker 12 Not to be a starter.

Speaker 12 Not to be a starter. Not to say, okay, this is my team.
I have nothing to worry about. You don't get too many of them chances, especially coming from New York.

Speaker 12 Shoot, if you can't get it done in New York, you know, which is obviously what I would consider. I mean, the big, one of the biggest markets, maybe the biggest market.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, if you could deal with that media, you could deal with anything.

Speaker 13 Do you?

Speaker 13 It's just like, you know, Trey Lance. He was a project.

Speaker 13 He played.

Speaker 12 I forgot about Trey.

Speaker 13 I just, I don't get it.

Speaker 12 Where's Trey Lance at as a backup, huh?

Speaker 13 Is he in Dallas still?

Speaker 13 Or Houston?

Speaker 13 Because I know he was a. Oh, no, the Chargers.
Oh, he's on the Chargers.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 13 Because he played, basically, he played all the preseason, the Chargers.

Speaker 13 Carl Banks, who's the radio analyst for the Giants, was extremely critical this week of Dexter Lawrence on his podcast with Bob Popper. Pop!

Speaker 13 Dexter Lawrence, nobody respects you anymore. Nobody, Banks said before going on, going in on to say Lawrence wasn't playing at the same level as previous seasons.

Speaker 13 Lawrence strongly disagreed with Banks' assessment, citing at the rate in which he gets double team. Those are strong words.
That's how you feel? F it. He's delusional.

Speaker 13 Lawrence is getting double team a league high, 75% of the pass rate,

Speaker 13 75% of the rate on his pass rush opportunities.

Speaker 13 I know Banks. I played against Banks.
Obviously, he's older than me, but I played against Banks. I think he was still at the Giants.

Speaker 13 I know I played against him when he was at Cleveland because when Coach Belichick went to Cleveland,

Speaker 13 he took Banks with him. Banks was originally one of the Giants.
Him, it was him, Pep,

Speaker 13 Harry Carson, and LT.

Speaker 13 So that's why I know him for him. So

Speaker 13 I know Banks. Yeah.

Speaker 13 What do you think, Ocho, when analysts come out, played the game, he played the game at a high level?

Speaker 13 I think one year Bates was the first team all-pro.

Speaker 13 As a matter of fact, I think he beat

Speaker 13 LT that year. He was the first team all-pro.

Speaker 13 What do you say when guys are critical? I mean,

Speaker 13 this is his opinion, that he doesn't believe that

Speaker 13 Dexter is playing at the level in which he's played in years past and playing at a level in which he got the big contract that the Giants giving him, which he earned.

Speaker 12 I mean, honestly, you got three defensive deep defensive tackles in the nfl that are considered the best right now chris jones is one of them

Speaker 12 yeah jeffrey jefferson is another and that third is in in no particular order and the third

Speaker 12 is dexter lawrence now i'm not sure what mr banks is watching when it comes to football especially the new york giants i'm sure he probably watches all the giants game being that he had yeah he's hellis yeah yeah he and bar papa yeah that he has a podcast that he's doing with Big Papa.

Speaker 12 But you can see and understand that they scheme

Speaker 12 ways to stop Dexter Lawrence. Every play, first down, it's gonna be a double team,

Speaker 12 second

Speaker 12 down, it's gonna be a double team. So, you understand how difficult it is for him to have

Speaker 12 the efficiency that Carl Banks is looking for, saying that nobody's scared of you anymore. If they weren't scared of him anymore, they wouldn't be double teaming, huh? They just

Speaker 13 one-on-one.

Speaker 13 Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 13 How many times do you think AD got doubled?

Speaker 12 Now we talk about two totally different dogs.

Speaker 12 We talk about two totally different dogs.

Speaker 13 You and I both know when you become that guy, you can't give excuses. You can't say, hey, man, get up on Ocho, man.
They doubling me.

Speaker 13 We pay you to be though.

Speaker 12 You've been in them trenches, right?

Speaker 12 Yeah. You know what it's like dying at.
Now,

Speaker 12 I know I play around a lot.

Speaker 13 I don't, hey, I don't beat I know,

Speaker 12 but I know what them strong jokers could do. And I know what it's like.
And having

Speaker 12 having to take on two of that every time,

Speaker 12 no matter how strong you are, you mean I got to get I got to deal with two of me.

Speaker 13 What we do, Ocho, is that we don't do it every time, but we do it enough that when we don't do it, you're anticipating it. So you hesitating.
That's all I need. He who hesitated beats.

Speaker 13 So that's all I need to do, Ocho. I'm gonna double your ass enough that now when I don't double, you're anticipating the double to come.

Speaker 13 What do they do to receivers that used to get the ball? What I'm gonna do is double you early on, I'm gonna get you frustrated.

Speaker 13 I ain't gonna double you the whole game, I just want to do it just the first quarter, get you frustrated. Then I got you,

Speaker 12 damn.

Speaker 13 So, I look, I get it. Um,

Speaker 13 you look, I think, when when you're losing,

Speaker 13 okay, what's going on? Why aren't we winning? Because I think you look at it. They got Law.
They got Thibodeau. They got Carter.
They got Brian Burns. Ain't no reason.

Speaker 13 You give up 33 points in the fourth quarter. I don't give a damn what you say.

Speaker 12 They got a nice squad of names, huh? They got a nice squad of names.

Speaker 13 Man, Brian,

Speaker 13 Brian,

Speaker 13 what's his name? Brian Burns, been to the Pro Bowl. Desk DeLawrence was an all-pro.

Speaker 12 The boys night.

Speaker 13 Thibodeau.

Speaker 12 Kayvon.

Speaker 13 They got guys that can play.

Speaker 13 Now, their back end leaves a lot to be desired, okay?

Speaker 13 Because if they don't get there, it's going to be a completion.

Speaker 12 Absolutely.

Speaker 13 He says it's been double.

Speaker 13 But it's hard, OJo. I mean, people like people talking.
And the thing is, Banks knows football. Banks studies the game.
He's a student of the game.

Speaker 13 This ain't no anybody.

Speaker 13 No, no, no, no, it's not. It's absolutely not.

Speaker 13 All I can tell

Speaker 13 Dex,

Speaker 13 hey,

Speaker 13 just keep plugging, bro. That's all you can do.
Just keep plugging away.

Speaker 12 That's all you do. That's all you can do.

Speaker 12 But that goddamn double team, boy, that's just what a thing hell, bro.

Speaker 13 It is. I mean, you got to realize they got 600 pounds rooting your ass up out of there.
You know, he's, you know, he's under or he's shade, nose. All right, bro, you got the center and the guard.

Speaker 12 oh they're gonna get your ass up out of there that's tough and it's so funny speaking of that and watching aaron dono and some of the clips with him and his ability to get off so fast and make his make himself skinny to where yeah he's only dealing with one man out of the double team hey that that that's i'm oh that's crazy and every blue moon you'll see him he'll grab one in the middle of the chest with one hand and have the other one in the middle of the chest with the other hand and he and he looking he controlling everything i'm like how the hell is he how the hell he doing all that

Speaker 13 a lot of times you have to you have to be able to feel the double team you see how the guy how how if he trying to reach me they're trying to scoop me or they sift it they're trying to call you know they're trying to power they're trying to combo block me

Speaker 13 but that's instinct that's years and years of playing that double team and understanding

Speaker 13 Because, you know, like you said, hey, you got to make a pile.

Speaker 13 But he was so good at playing on the edge.

Speaker 13 So he's not. And the same thing I tell tight ends, bro, don't let that man square you up.

Speaker 13 You give him a side. You give him, hey, you decide.

Speaker 13 Don't let him put his hands in your breastplate.

Speaker 12 Oh, it's a wrap.

Speaker 13 You're not going nowhere.

Speaker 12 And don't let him be strong. You definitely move.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 You better be able to whack. And that's what the good D tackles.
Look how Aaron Donald Rush. You see he's doing like a wide receiver tight end.
He's up there doing this.

Speaker 13 Trying to get skinny, trying to trying to run the rim. What we used to have a circle and guys run around it and see how low they could get and get around there.
I remember that.

Speaker 13 It's frustrating when you lose, OTO, you know that. And when you lose, okay, who makes the most money?

Speaker 13 Because

Speaker 13 God making $750,000. Why are we talking about him?

Speaker 12 No attention to that.

Speaker 12 And listen,

Speaker 12 and the funny thing about it is a lot of people will see this as Hayden.

Speaker 12 Obviously, when it comes to probably the best player on the defense, it's

Speaker 12 next to Lawrence. And to come out and say something like that, well, people know people aren't scared of you anymore.
When obviously,

Speaker 12 statistically,

Speaker 12 based on the numbers that you just said, that anyone that's being blocked on a double team 70% of the time or more,

Speaker 12 I mean, there's your answer.

Speaker 12 There's your answer.

Speaker 13 uh-oh oh joe the eagles are reportedly interested in a potential blockbuster trade involving star pass rusher miles garrett according to yahoo sports charles robinson i've heard it from a couple of other super high-ranking people in other teams that are clearly on the phones that howie roseman and the eagles are super hot after miles garrett that Howie Roseman would give up like three first-round picks

Speaker 13 and a player.

Speaker 13 you know i you know what

Speaker 13 i think they'd probably be willing to give up three first-round picks and probably jordan davis or one of those superstars you know one of those young players i don't think they'd be willing to give up carter but i think they'd be willing to give up davis but it would it's going to take three first rounds absolutely and it's damn well it's damn well worth it one thing about harry roseman

Speaker 12 if you watch the way he maneuver the way he conducts business When it comes to getting players and building a team, building a roster, you know, and obviously right now, the main thing thing is the main thing with the Philadelphia Eagles, despite what everybody's talking about, they're trying to go back and repeat, huh?

Speaker 12 They're trying to go back and repeat. And goddamn, Harry Roseman is pushing all his chips in on the table.
I know what I need, I know what piece can help us, and that's going to get goddamn.

Speaker 12 What happened? What happened if with that trade through three first-round picks and a player? What if they want AJ Brown in exchange?

Speaker 13 Hey, they want you can have him. What, what?

Speaker 13 Yes.

Speaker 13 Because the way I look at it, Ocho, if I get him and I'm and I'm the Philadelphia Eagles that I believe I can be,

Speaker 13 where are we going to be picking? The bottom half. You're going to get somewhere between 28 and 32.

Speaker 13 We're not going to be in the top 10, so it's not going to hunt us. It's not going to hurt us.
See, now you mess around and you're picking in the top 10. A la Chicago.
Who's that?

Speaker 13 No.

Speaker 13 Carolina. Remember, Carolina wanted the first pick.

Speaker 13 And the next year, boom.

Speaker 13 That pick that you gave up is Caleb Williams.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and honestly, me, just thinking about it, the only thing that makes sense, okay, you're giving us three first-round picks, and we need something of equal value if we're letting, if we let.

Speaker 13 But I wouldn't give up both, though, OJo. I would give up three first-round picks.

Speaker 13 You don't get AJ and Carter, AJ, and Wright. you can get you can get AJ.

Speaker 13 You know what? I might be willing to give up Carter and keep Jordan Davis.

Speaker 12 No,

Speaker 12 no,

Speaker 12 absolutely not.

Speaker 13 I would know

Speaker 12 I'm going the opposite way. And obviously it might not be anybody defensively.

Speaker 12 With all the smoke, with all the talking, you know, they might let sticks go. Because I think that's the value.
Who, Devontae? No, I say sticks, I mean them 11.

Speaker 13 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see that.

Speaker 13 But I think, Ocho,

Speaker 13 Carter hadn't been the same player in the injuries. He wasn't in shape like he was supposed to.
See, teams factored that in.

Speaker 13 Ocho, your kid's 24.

Speaker 13 So if he's not in shape at 24, what makes me think he's going to be in shape at 26, 27, 28?

Speaker 13 And now, Ocho, I got to get a big car. I got to put a big contract on the table.
Now, he's going to want 30, 32, 33, 34 million. Am I willing?

Speaker 13 Is that someone I can trust to invest that kind of money in? I already know what I'm going to get Miles Garrett. I'm cool with that.
I already know. Miles Garrett's going to play like he's broke.

Speaker 13 And he's one of the highest-played defensive players in football. So I'm not ever worried about him being in shape.
Now, I got to worry about him speeding a little bit.

Speaker 13 Hey, damn, Miles slowed it down. Damn, broke.
But hey, I'm sure they've had, I think Andrew Barrett has had a conversation with with him.

Speaker 13 I think he's got like six speeding tickets, a couple of them excess of 100 miles an hour. That's something that he needs to work on.

Speaker 13 But I don't have to worry about him when it comes to being in condition and being him playing hard. I don't have to light a fire up on him.

Speaker 13 Ocho, if I pay you that kind of money, oh Joe, I don't need to give you no pep talk.

Speaker 13 I don't need to say, come on, son, we need it today.

Speaker 13 What?

Speaker 13 I need you to say, hey, say, hey, son, I don't need, you can't practice today

Speaker 13 because I don't want you to hurt nobody.

Speaker 13 That's how it should be. Look,

Speaker 13 all we can go by is, Ocho, by body language, what's being said.

Speaker 13 Something is going on that AJ doesn't seem happy. He doesn't feel like he's getting the targets that, because he's, oh, he's looking at

Speaker 13 one Uno up in Cincinnati.

Speaker 13 That man got 42 targets. I haven't got 42 targets all year.
This man got 42 targets in two games.

Speaker 12 It's different.

Speaker 13 He's looking at Puka. He's looking at Jeddah.
He's looking at all these guys. And he said, if I'm a number one, and I see number ones, they get their targets.

Speaker 13 They get seven, eight, ten targets a game. I get three or four, and I'm supposed to be okay with that.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but you're supposed to be okay with that when you win it. And that's what everybody says.
But you got to be careful what you wish for, huh? Because you got to think.

Speaker 13 You got to tell me.

Speaker 12 Think about the situation. The trade deadline ends what?

Speaker 12 the fourth november fourth so tuesday tuesday at four uh four o'clock eastern you got to be careful what you wish for because you you're coming from a perfect situation and what happens if you end up in cleveland

Speaker 13 oh yes

Speaker 12 because there's this inconsistent play at the quarterback position uh and it's just you i i think if you you you put a j brown in that system now i think they will put you in position to be able to get 42 goddamn catches a game

Speaker 13 But who can get it to him?

Speaker 13 You trusted, you trusted. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 13 It takes a veteran quarterback

Speaker 13 to target somebody 23 times.

Speaker 13 And the guy caught, what did he catch? Like 16 of them? He got targeted, what, six, 19 times. He caught 12 of them.

Speaker 13 Everybody doesn't know how to do that.

Speaker 13 But the thing that I love most about the Eagles,

Speaker 13 and and I love this about

Speaker 13 the Lions also,

Speaker 13 is that not only are they developing players, they're not afraid to go get somebody that they feel that can really help them get to that.

Speaker 13 You see, you look at, and

Speaker 13 where is,

Speaker 13 oh, we're going to talk about it a little later. I'll touch on it right now.
You look at Detroit.

Speaker 13 They say, man, we need to look, Matthew Stafford, he wants to go block. Okay, we'll make a trade.
AK Rams. Give us two first-rounders and Jerry Goff.

Speaker 13 now they go get pine suit they get jameer gibbs now they get uh uh uh j-mo they get amon rossay brown they get a hutchinson and guess what they've done ocho we drafted them we developed them we paid them

Speaker 13 Look at the money that they paid all these guys. You see four years, 212, four years, 180, four years, 120, four years, 112, four years, 93.

Speaker 13 You see a real current thing?

Speaker 13 Guys know now, if I come here and I work my butt off, I'm going to get paid. Ain't no dilly dalling around, ain't playing no mind games, and the buck stops with me on my desk.

Speaker 13 And don't nobody get this or that. Ain't about no egos.
Brad, kudos to Brad Holmes, the general manager.

Speaker 12 And also, kudos to him for drafting, too, for drafting well.

Speaker 13 Because Brad Holmes, that's it.

Speaker 12 Sometimes you draft players and hope they pan out, and they actually don't pan out.

Speaker 12 But it's like everyone they drafted to date, it always just seemed to pan out, which is why they've been able to pay players and develop them and and they get the money that they get because kirby joe yeah they drafted really well man

Speaker 13 uh you know they i mean they've done they've done a great job you look at that d line you look at those linebackers campbell and you look at uh what's the the big d lineman that just came back they've done a great job of identifying a player that fits their system you know coach belich used to take a lot of criticism for guys like who is this guy but coach belichick knew what he was looking for he's looking for two gap defensive linemen you're not gonna get no sacks.

Speaker 13 Remember, Chris Long left. He said, Yeah, it's fun to win, but I want to be a player.
I just don't want to hold up so the linebackers can make plays.

Speaker 13 My job as a defensive, as an edge rusher, excuse me, chat, I want to hunt the quarterback.

Speaker 13 I don't want to just sit on the porch and bark. Let me hunt.

Speaker 13 And so you identify the player that's going to fit the system, a player that personality-wise will fit your system

Speaker 13 because it don't do any good if the guy fits the system, but he's a jackass.

Speaker 13 You have to identify that. You identify that, you do your homework.
Now, you're going to miss some because sometimes guys can fool you, absolutely.

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 I just love what they do.

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