Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho CALL OUT Jets Owners for the FAILURES at QB + Anthony Davis INJURED with ACHILLES TENDONITIS

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Speaker 1 Jazz Woody Johnson made headlines last week for some harsh comments he gave about Justin Fields. Johnson, it's hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that we got.

Speaker 1 If we could just complete a pass, it would look good. According to former teams quarterback Jordan Travis, these aren't the only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the team's quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Despite dealing with serious leg injury, Travis remembers Johnson asking him, Are you ever gonna get healthy?

Speaker 1 Travis, there were things that were said to me, not obviously to that point, because I never got on the field to play about my leg. Just slick comments.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he was trying to be slick about it, or you know how some older men just say whatever comes to their mind. And that kind of made me feel a certain type of way.

Speaker 1 Now, how you feeling, never that. There was always comments like that.

Speaker 1 It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the Jets' troubles, but Robert Solom seems to be the coach defense really well for the 49ers.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers looked pretty good with Pittsburgh. Sam Darner, too.
Ocho, Joe, how much blame should we place on ownership led by Woody Johnson for the long, long history of Jets' failure?

Speaker 16 I mean, listen,

Speaker 16 similar to the quarterback situated with the Chicago Bears, for the long, long history of failures that that position as well.

Speaker 16 I mean, management is to blame as well for the long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the jets most of the time the identity for the jets has always been their defense that has always been the better part uh of the successful part of their their their team obviously not this year and obviously offense not this year as well but i thought um i really thought this was justin fields year yeah I thought it would have been his year.

Speaker 16 He had nothing to worry about. He had nobody eyeing over his shoulder.
It was his team, his team to win, and his team to lose.

Speaker 16 They're one and seven, obviously, beating my Bengals,

Speaker 16 but it is what it is.

Speaker 16 But I think at some point they will turn it around i think he can be the future for the new york jets is he gonna get that opportunity to be after woody johnson came out and said some of the things he said publicly that most owners would say to themselves or people to their buddies never published theirs you don't yeah yeah you never say anything like that publicly but it seemed like since jerry jones said what he needs to say other other owners are now having the the the onus and the wherewithal to say you know what forget it i'm just gonna say how i'm feeling and let them know

Speaker 16 and it it has to it has to hurt to know that your owner feels that way and i still got to go out there and play for him

Speaker 16 what you think of joe hey look i i i kind of i kind of i agree kind of with justin fields i mean you got other guys who done played for that franchise man quarterbacks and they went off and you know played for other organizations and they've been playing pretty

Speaker 16 playing extremely well so therefore Yeah, you got to start up top with the organization and how things have been ran because for whatever reason, they hadn't been getting, you know, great outcomes.

Speaker 16 Obviously, Justin Fields played great this past week, but man, you hope he can build confidence from that and try to, you know, continue to play at an elite level.

Speaker 1 They got to improve the roster overall, Lojo.

Speaker 16 I mean. Yeah.

Speaker 16 But that's hard, huh? You know how much time that takes.

Speaker 1 Will they give Aaron Glenn the time?

Speaker 16 Will they give Aaron Glenn the time to improve the roster?

Speaker 1 I think because AG played there, I think he'll probably have a little long, I think he'll have a little longer

Speaker 1 leeway than most.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say what we would normally say a longer leash because everybody say he caught you in the IPF. So

Speaker 1 just try to be politically correct. I think he'll have

Speaker 1 a longer opportunity to stay than probably most because of his history with the organization and how well he's played for the organization and what he knows him personally.

Speaker 1 So yes, I do think he'll have a, but look, I don't care who you are. If your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to win in this league.

Speaker 1 It's hard.

Speaker 16 Very. But hey, Uncle Joe, situations matter.
Situations on where you play and where you go and what's surrounding you is very, very important, Joe.

Speaker 16 I can't think of it in basketball terms, but maybe Unc and Joe, you could probably relate to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New York Giants in basketball terms?

Speaker 16 And then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones, that player actually leaving said team and going somewhere else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is succeeding in Indianapolis.

Speaker 16 Who would that be in basketball terms? Who would that be?

Speaker 16 Because Daniel Jones bowling. I'm talking about killing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me see.

Speaker 16 The only thing is that

Speaker 16 Brunson didn't, I mean, he left the Mavericks and went to New York and he balling in New York.

Speaker 1 But that's his own team. Okay.

Speaker 16 But that was it. Yeah.
He was backing up.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Ain't nobody, ain't nobody overshine Luca. Not now.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 16 he was backing up Luca, but he went off and, you know, obviously, you know what he's doing in New York right now.

Speaker 1 But I'm trying to think who

Speaker 16 because I mean, they let Daniel Jones go. They just, they, they, they let him walk on a battle, didn't they? Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And he ended up with, he goes, he went to uh, what did he didn't go to Minnesota for a year? What did you go?

Speaker 16 Yeah, he was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota.
Went to Minnesota, then went on down to Indy.

Speaker 16 In basketball. I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 No, but he played, he was good in Chicago.

Speaker 1 Who was that? Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Jimmy was good in Chicago. Jimmy's been good everywhere he went on.
Chicago, Philly. He's always been consistent.
I mean, with what he does well.

Speaker 1 See, the thing is, is that we thought, we thought, if you go back and look at Brunson when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do if he had his own team yeah yeah you go back and look go back and look at when Luca missed that time and look at what Brunson was doing

Speaker 1 so now he got his own team he's going to be the primary ball handler he's going to be the primary shot taker I don't think anybody's surprised by this now maybe maybe the guy averaged 26 27 points a game in as many 30-point games he's had but I thought he would be really well now did I think he'd be an all-NBA selection I wouldn't go that far but I thought he could make the all-star team.

Speaker 1 I thought he could make an all-star team. Because a guy that's playing that well in spurts, when he has the ball in his hand, and they say, okay, and

Speaker 1 kids, like, okay, we need you to do more of a role and not be so, boom, we saw that. But look, yeah, James Harden.

Speaker 1 We saw what he, you remember, he was sixth man of the year.

Speaker 1 I'm sure people thought he could be good, but not averaging 36 points a night good. Not changing the game good with that step back.

Speaker 16 Nah,

Speaker 1 nah.

Speaker 1 Who else was like that?

Speaker 1 Nah, but Shea just didn't get a chance to play.

Speaker 1 If Shea got a chance to play, and plus, look,

Speaker 1 he was not going to do that with the Clevelands. Not with Kawhi.

Speaker 1 You had just gave, you had, just think about what you got with Kawhi. Kawhi was going to be the main ball handler.
Shea's in a situation.

Speaker 1 Shea knows he can get as many shots as he want, and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes.

Speaker 16 The Clippers,

Speaker 16 they weren't going to wait for his defeat.

Speaker 1 No, no, they couldn't because Kawhi and you bring in Kawhi and Kawhi wants to win now. And

Speaker 1 he basically said, if you don't get me, Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi, LeBron, and AD, and then you playing in the basement with that? No.

Speaker 1 They had to.

Speaker 1 They had to do it, OJo.

Speaker 16 I mean, hold on, hold on. I have a question, Joe.
Joe and I.

Speaker 16 If the Clippers knew what they knew now about Shea and how he was trading,

Speaker 16 they would have never traded.

Speaker 16 So

Speaker 16 how do you not see it?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 he wasn't.

Speaker 16 How do you not see it?

Speaker 1 He was a rookie, Ocho. And no rookie, because you got to realize he wasn't the first pick in the draft.
He wasn't AD.

Speaker 1 He wasn't Zion that you're running your offense through.

Speaker 1 So now he's in a situation, he's the offense.

Speaker 1 So there's no possible way.

Speaker 1 Just like James Harden.

Speaker 1 People thought James could be good because he was a great ISO player.

Speaker 1 When KD and

Speaker 1 Russ went to the bench, James Harden was sensational. But sensational is averaging 16 points a game.
He averaged 36. He had games where he went like 30, 40 games.
He's averaged getting 30 a night.

Speaker 1 60 point triple doubles, 50 point triple doubles. But he knows it's a lot easier to play, Ocho, if you're the number one and you know you're going to get 12, 13, 14 targets a game.

Speaker 16 Right. But I understand that, right? But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization, those that have been watching the game, scouts, GMs, and understanding you have an eye for talent.

Speaker 16 There's a certain thing that we can see called the it factor.

Speaker 16 It's called the eye test. Even if it's not his team, you can tell when a player is going to be special.
You can look at them, their game, their skill set, what they can and what they can't do.

Speaker 16 And when you look at Shay's game on both ends of the court that's somebody that you say this MF is special hey oh I'm not letting him go what about I think the the clippers knew he was special I seen doc ribb yeah he was coaching the clip

Speaker 16 he said that was the hardest thing to put in the trade was to add Shay into that trade because he knew that Shay was gonna be pretty good now I don't know if he thought he was gonna be in

Speaker 1 30

Speaker 16 But he knew he was gonna be good. And then on top of that, Uncle Ocho, you never know, like for Shay, maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him.

Speaker 16 He's wanting to show, yeah. You know what I mean? And be like, all right, they got rid of me.
I'm going to show him. You know what I mean?

Speaker 16 And now he's playing at a level to where I don't think nobody's seen this, bro. He's he's a bucket.
He's 30 points every night. Give or take.
I don't care how much

Speaker 16 happened. He's going to have 30.

Speaker 1 And plus, Ocho,

Speaker 1 the biggest free agent available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in? Do you really want that to happen?

Speaker 16 Was that even possible? Yes, it was.

Speaker 16 Was that realistic?

Speaker 16 He was going home.

Speaker 16 Kawhi was going back to L.A.

Speaker 1 I don't know

Speaker 16 what team yet, but he was going back to LA for sure. Okay.

Speaker 16 That's crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go. They can pick and choose where they want to go.

Speaker 16 If they say,

Speaker 16 I want to trade, I don't want to be here no more. The team has no choice but to move on.

Speaker 1 Superstars.

Speaker 16 Well, you have to. Because if a guy only has one year left on his deal, Ocho, and he's telling you, you know, he ain't signing back in so many words, then

Speaker 16 you got to trade him to get something back. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 What doomed OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door and didn't get nothing for it?

Speaker 1 Yep. Imagine if you could have traded him before.

Speaker 1 See, he walked out the door and you didn't get anything. anything.
Nothing. KD at his prime walks out of your door and you don't get anything for him.
The same thing.

Speaker 1 Had the Clippers could have tried to play, I mean, Scott, the Clippers.

Speaker 1 The Hornets, not the Hornets, the Pelicans could have tried to play hardball, but AT contract was coming up. Do you really want Anthony Davis to walk out of there and you don't get nothing for him?

Speaker 1 And you, the Pelicans? Okay, okay. Ain't nobody coming to New Orleans.
I'm sorry. It's a great city.

Speaker 1 I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but you're not getting superstars to come down to New Orleans. You're just not.
So you have to. You don't have a choice.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 what do I do, Ocho? And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that Shea was going to be good, but I don't know if Doc thought he'd be this good.

Speaker 1 Coach Belichick, the reason why they kept Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach Belichick said with a little work, he thought he could be good.

Speaker 1 You thought he was going to be seven Super Bowls good? 15 Pro Bowls? You thought he was going to be the all-time leader in passes, touchdowns, wins, Super Bowl wins, Super Bowl MVPs.

Speaker 1 You thought he was going to be that good? Because if you did, you'd have took him in the first round. You wouldn't have taken him in the sixth round.

Speaker 1 And you guess what? You'd have started him from day one. So you didn't know.
You thought he could be good.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, oh, yeah, we knew Sheddo. Bro, I was my draft pick.

Speaker 1 Me making the team was a feat in and of itself, let alone being able to play 14 years and having the accomplishments.

Speaker 1 Everybody gets to say that after the fact, OJo, yeah, I knew that boy was going to make it. Oh, I knew, oh, I saw him in high school.

Speaker 1 I told such and such, that boy was going to make it.

Speaker 16 Hey, it's a lot. It's a lot that has to transpire and a lot has to transport

Speaker 16 along that journey, man. You know what I mean? The things that mold us

Speaker 16 into becoming pro-professional athletes, the things that we go through, man, it's ultimately it determines pretty much your longevity in the game or how you approach the game.

Speaker 16 So when you look at Shay, this is like when I look at Shay, I'm like, damn, can you imagine him in L.A. in that new arena they got over there?

Speaker 1 And think about it. That was another reason.
They're getting built a new arena. What do you need to go into a new arena, Joe? Superstars.

Speaker 1 Superstars. People would tell me.

Speaker 1 Oh, Kawhi ain't better than SGA. Maybe not now.

Speaker 1 If you think SGA in his first to second year was better than Kawhi, y'all a damn fool. Y'all out y'all damn mind.

Speaker 1 That man was a two-time defensive player of the year and a two-time finals MVP.

Speaker 1 The man is one of the

Speaker 1 75 greatest players of all time.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Okay, if you want to say he's not better than Shea now, I'm not finna fight you. As a matter of fact, I'm going to put my hand behind the chair.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm saying, Joe? I ain't going to fight him. But come on now.
Y'all make it seem like Kawhi was a bum. And he was far from it.
He's still not. Is he injury prone?

Speaker 1 Yes. Has injury robbed him of some of his best years? Yes.
But to say

Speaker 1 that he was, SGA was better at that time is just not true. Because I remember before Jaja Pacheep shot, stuck his foot up under Kawhi.

Speaker 1 They had to go to state down by like 18.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kawhi was a really, Kawhi was a great player. There's a reason why he's a two-time champion.
He's a two-time defensive player of the year. He could play both ends of the court and he can play it well.

Speaker 1 But injuries have robbed him of some of his best years.

Speaker 16 Hey, how tall is Kawhi?

Speaker 1 I'm Kwa like 6'7 ⁇ .

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Speaker 1 Michael Jordan had his thoughts on loge management in today's game.

Speaker 1 He called out players sitting out games to risk, saying that he would never miss a game if he could avoid it because of his duty to the fans. It shouldn't be needed, first and foremost.

Speaker 1 I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove. It was something that I felt like, you know, the fans were that like, they're watching me play.

Speaker 1 And I want to impress the guys up top who obviously worked their ass off to get a ticket or get money to buy a ticket.

Speaker 1 Jordan also referenced his iconic blue game against the Utah Jazz in 1997 NBA Finals, where he pushed through illness in a pivotal game five.

Speaker 1 I was going to find a way to get out there, even if I was a decoy. Once I got out there, pushing yourself, you never know what happens, right?

Speaker 16 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I agree with you. Hey, look,

Speaker 16 I agree with him, too.

Speaker 16 Man, I think

Speaker 16 that's why we love him so much, man. Just to see him sit there and kind of,

Speaker 16 you know,

Speaker 16 let people know that low management wasn't cool back.

Speaker 16 They weren't doing that, man. I mean,

Speaker 16 even in the DVDs I used to watch with the come flower me's and all that, he'll tell you, like, his thing was showing up for the fans for the guy who may only get to see him play one time.

Speaker 1 That's all the money he could save up.

Speaker 16 Yeah. He was going to show up and show out.
So that's my GOAT, bro.

Speaker 16 Man, I just, I enjoy seeing him break the game down. I know people thought it was going to probably be a much live setting.
Yeah, yeah, they thought he was going to be going to play.

Speaker 1 He's going to be actually talking about current players. But he's talking, he's giving it from his standpoint of his mindset of what he's thinking.

Speaker 1 He ain't going to be actually talking about a player in particular. Like Barkley and Shaq and Kenny and them, they actually break down the game.
Perk and these other guys, they break down the game.

Speaker 1 That's not what he's doing.

Speaker 1 He's looking at it from a champion's mindset, the mindset that you have to have. And he said, I just couldn't do it.
I couldn't miss no time.

Speaker 1 I couldn't miss a game because somebody paid a boatload of money to watch me. He said,

Speaker 1 even the people that was bullied me.

Speaker 1 I wanted them to see why you buoyed me. Right.
Because I'm protecting your team, you know what?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe, you know, in football, we could never. First of all,

Speaker 1 I don't know how you guys thought, Joe, but in football, we already know NFL, not for long.

Speaker 1 You sit out of the game, and you might not, hey,

Speaker 1 you miss a game, somebody comes in, and you might not get that job back.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 16 Hey, hey,

Speaker 1 you get Tom Brady. Tom, you see what Tom Brady did? He got in, and 23 years later.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. NFL,

Speaker 1 you can't do that. I mean,

Speaker 1 I hated missing the game, Ocho. We'd have the thing play.
I mean, my 96,

Speaker 1 we had the division sold up. We had home field throughout.
And Mike says, 84, I'm thinking about, you know, you've been dealing with some ankle injuries.

Speaker 1 Because at that time, Ocho, I had to have nerves in my ankle, had them frozen, deadened, so I wouldn't feel the pain if I twist my ankle or something like that.

Speaker 1 So he's like, you've been dealing with stuff, 84. You know, I just want you to sit out.
Selfishly, I wanted to play, Ocho. Man, I'm trying to get 1100 yards.
I'm trying to get another touchdown.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I saw the bigger picture. But in a

Speaker 1 but you only got to understand, Ocho, we only played 16.

Speaker 1 16 games in the NFL is like one game in the NFL is like five in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Hey, look,

Speaker 16 that fire really don't die, though. Like, if you're a competitor, you're a competitor.
And think about it. You heard MJ say, man, if I could take a magic pill right now.
You see what I'm saying?

Speaker 16 Like, he still love to compete. He's probably still wish he could get out there and play.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 16 But, I mean, like you say, he ain't willing to risk popping his Achilles to get out there.

Speaker 1 He's not competing. He's just on the golf course in cards.

Speaker 1 He's still competing. Don't let it fool you down.

Speaker 16 Listen, a competitor is always going to find a way to compete.

Speaker 16 It might not be at his profession or his respective craft that he used to do, but he's going to find it through other avenues when it comes to life.

Speaker 16 And the funny thing also about the load management thing and Michael Jordan saying some of the things he said, you have to think about the game that they played back then, mentally where they were back then.

Speaker 16 It's completely different than the game is now. Not only the game, but the players and the way they think.
Everything's a little bit different. They want to rest.
They want to take time off.

Speaker 16 They don't have the same mentality the players had back there. Back then, you know, excuse me.

Speaker 16 It's just different all the way around.

Speaker 1 And with the money where it is, Joe, if I can sell out a couple of games and that's going to give me a couple extra years, I mean, look at it now.

Speaker 1 I mean, by the time Shea is done, Shay and Jason Tatum and Luca, they're going to be able to make a billion dollars in the NBA.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 You're right. A bill.
I for sure.

Speaker 16 Hey, look, I for sure know when we're going to get in.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, Wimby's next contract might be a billion.

Speaker 1 if he can stay the thing is look it his height is always like because there ain't nothing he can't do man that joke he could handle the ball he sham guarding people he going behind the back any out heavily pulling up from 28 obviously he can put it on the four feet off pretty fat the rim he barely dunk he barely jumping and dunking on people here

Speaker 16 man listen okay oh joe yeah guys that big is not supposed to be moving like that yeah nah yeah yeah hey he hold on to be that tall joe he twitchy as hell Yeah. He twitchy.

Speaker 16 I'm talking about like Kevin Durant twitchy.

Speaker 1 85 inches taller than KD.

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Speaker 1 Oh, Joe, Terry Rogier. Joe, Terry Rogier will not be paid while on leave in absence after the rest on federal charges related to the gambling scheme.

Speaker 1 Rogier's salary, which is about $26.6 million this season, paid in installments, will be held in escrow.

Speaker 1 If Rogier is cleared and allowed to return to NBA, which placed him on leave hours after his October 23rd arrest, he will receive the hell payments in full.

Speaker 1 Excuse me, Chauncey Billips will also not be paid while on leave. Billops' salary is $7 million this season and

Speaker 1 won't be held in escrow. He'll just lose it until the outcome of the FBI case.
Joe, when the story broke, what were your initial thoughts?

Speaker 16 Man,

Speaker 16 it was hard for me to believe with

Speaker 16 Chauncey

Speaker 16 because I know him to a degree.

Speaker 16 I know same people, same circle. Me and T.
Lou,

Speaker 16 good friends when T. Lou played here in Atlanta with me.
He was a point guard here in Atlanta when I first got here, Ocho, for like three years. That's my man.
So we used to hang out.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 16 to see all this come out, I'm like.

Speaker 16 You know, it's just, it's unfortunate, bro. But if it's true, yeah, I agree with the harsh penalties, man.

Speaker 16 There's nowhere in the game, whether it's Rosier or whether it's Billips.

Speaker 16 You know, if you're betting on the games, bro, if you're doing the stuff they say you're doing,

Speaker 16 or cheating people, cheating your partners out their money, yeah, man, I mean, I don't know what's the maximum fine you can get or what's going to happen, but

Speaker 16 if you're doing it, yeah, it ain't going to be.

Speaker 1 If they have a fine, you go to jail.

Speaker 1 Defined is the list of your words.

Speaker 16 Yeah, well, hey,

Speaker 16 unfortunately,

Speaker 16 if you're doing what they say you're doing, then you probably deserve a little jail time.

Speaker 1 I was like, man.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 like I hate it, man.

Speaker 1 I just hate it. I hate it.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because I think the thing is, look, I mean, I just in good conscience, I can't, like, people work hard for that money. Yeah.
And to cheat somebody out of their money, Joe,

Speaker 1 I ain't never been like that, guys. I couldn't.
I couldn't.

Speaker 16 Me neither, bro.

Speaker 1 I couldn't.

Speaker 16 It's tough. That's, you know,

Speaker 16 it's hard watching it unfold because I'm like,

Speaker 16 you saying you got x-ray, you, you got these rig poker games, x-ray tables, x-ray glass.

Speaker 1 Face down, Ocho, so now I can see what you got. So I'm betting.
They say guys betting 100 blinds in the gutty. So

Speaker 1 you know what's coming.

Speaker 1 So that's why you betting.

Speaker 1 And dude, think he got

Speaker 1 somebody thinking they got a winning hand. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, I got a pair of keys.
I got two rockets up under here.

Speaker 16 Oh, man. The whole time.

Speaker 16 Hey, Uncle, you know,

Speaker 16 and it's bigger than it's really bigger than

Speaker 16 what people understand it, right? When you in with them people like that,

Speaker 16 when you in with them people, and it gets to that point where you the one bringing in the clients to use the legal stuff to get them, but you in over your head, man.

Speaker 16 You really ain't got no choice at that point. No.

Speaker 16 Honestly.

Speaker 16 So the only way out is for it coming to an end like this. This is the best thing to happen, honestly.

Speaker 1 That's why I don't really talk about it.

Speaker 16 Once you're in over your head like that, I don't talk.

Speaker 1 That's why you got to be careful.

Speaker 16 And they got you as the, I don't know.

Speaker 1 You got to be careful who you talk to.

Speaker 1 You having an innocent conversation, but they getting all the information that they need. Man, Carson, man, Carson.
I don't even think Carson is going to play this with Carson. Man, they practice yet.

Speaker 1 You just have an innocent conversation.

Speaker 1 Man, man, shh, man.

Speaker 1 Man, I don't think Smooth, man. Smooth ankle.
I saw Smooth ankle this morning, and that thing was big, man, big as a ball.

Speaker 16 Man.

Speaker 1 That's why, hey,

Speaker 1 I don't play around like that. I had a dude ask me, said, man, look here, man.
I want to get this car.

Speaker 1 I'll give you the cash. You go pay for it, put in your name.

Speaker 16 She.

Speaker 16 That was.

Speaker 1 When he gets squeezed, what are he going to do?

Speaker 16 Right. You know what he gonna do.

Speaker 1 I'm good, cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 But look, I ain't no gambling like that. Like, I like the friendly competition, gambling, but man, when it gets to the point to where you having the old people all...

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Nah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I read the paper. They say

Speaker 1 Roger had a lean on his house. How you going to lean on your house? And they say at this point in time, you had made $169 million in NBA salary, but you got a lean on your property.

Speaker 1 You can't lean on nothing. You better lean on this coffee table because they got books up.

Speaker 1 That's That's the only thing you can lean on. It's going to fall.
But you ain't going to put no lean. Come on, man.

Speaker 16 Man, listen.

Speaker 1 The NBA did an investigation. Now, what we don't know,

Speaker 1 they said, but like Adam Silver said, they don't have subpoena power. They don't have the ability to threaten somebody to send you away for a long period of time.
You got a wife, you got kids. Hey,

Speaker 1 your kids will be graduated by the time you get out. Is your wife going to really wait for you for another six, seven, eight, nine years? You really,

Speaker 1 you, you willing to trust that

Speaker 1 now they say, oh, oh,

Speaker 1 man, I don't know what I don't know how you got. I know you're in the NBA, but we might think you got some of this money by ill-gotten means.
So we're going to seize it.

Speaker 1 We're going to put a freeze on all of it.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 16 And they can do it.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. They're the government.
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 16 They can do what the hell they want to do.

Speaker 16 Yeah, man.

Speaker 16 The timing of all of it is kind of crazy, too. It's like right before the season, it's like, hold on.

Speaker 16 I don't know. I don't know, man.

Speaker 16 That was the best time to do it. When you got everybody's attention, when can you get everybody's attention?

Speaker 1 During the season.

Speaker 16 When the season starts, when everybody watching. Everybody tuned in.

Speaker 1 Why do you think the sports are so popular? Football is so popular. They think, oh, that's my team.
They betting on the games. I got a vested interest.
You know what, Ocho?

Speaker 1 You watch something a little bit, and Joe, you watch something a little bit more closely when you got a vested interest in it, don't you?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be it your fantasy, be it, I'm betting of, you know,

Speaker 1 who gonna win, how many catches, how many yards,

Speaker 1 how many touchdowns, how many sacks, X, Y, and Z. I'm watching this thing a little bit more closely because I got money on it.

Speaker 16 And look, it's hard for you to enjoy the game when you got money on it.

Speaker 1 Man, they just gave.

Speaker 1 Now, Ocho, now, Joe, you understand what people always say. If they lose, man, the game fixed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the first time you go shop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, it's

Speaker 1 I hate it. I hate it for people.

Speaker 1 I hate it.

Speaker 1 I just, I hate it. Like I said, I know Chauncey.
I've known Chauncey since he was in high school.

Speaker 1 I don't know Rogier. Know him as a player.
Good, solid player.

Speaker 1 Met Damon

Speaker 1 one time.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's tough. It's tough because, boy, look here.

Speaker 1 The government, but they say, what did they say? This is a three, four-year investigation?

Speaker 16 Yeah. Oh, they don't come and get you to your year.
Hold on, Unc. Most of the time, when you talk about the feds, now the feds don't come and get you to year five.
Until they got something.

Speaker 16 Hey, Joe, when they knock on that door, you best believe they done dotted every I had crossed every T before they came and got you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 normally when them people come, both Joe, they knock on your door, you open the door, yeah,

Speaker 1 invite them in. You like something to drink,

Speaker 1 you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to be as hospitable as possible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you like something to drink?

Speaker 1 What would you like to know?

Speaker 1 Hey, man, them people don't play, man. And they get, guess what? Because they can see everything, Ocho.
They see all your money. They see how much you got.
How much you in debt?

Speaker 1 It used to be like, I don't know if it still is, but

Speaker 1 teams.

Speaker 1 Oh, he can't hold out too much longer. He in debt.

Speaker 1 Actually, he a month behind on his mortgage payment. And he got two kids in private school.
And I heard him and his wife not getting along. Don't need to worry about it.
He'll be back.

Speaker 16 Hold on. They know all that anyway.

Speaker 16 They know all that anyway. They know how much we spend.
Hey, chat. NFL teams, obviously, I'm not playing.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 16 The players now, especially the ones that make the big money, they know how much they got in the bank.

Speaker 16 They know how much they're spending. They know exactly who you hang with.
They know where you like to go. They know what clubs you be at.

Speaker 16 Man, they know everything, huh hell they know who you're dating they know who you're messing with when they invest that kind of money in you joe

Speaker 16 they know everything

Speaker 16 yeah i i it's crazy hey it's it's funny it's funny in the offseason i'm down here miami huh i have no contact with the cincinnati bengals when i'm in the offseason

Speaker 16 none at all But Marvin Lewis can call and tell me where I've been and what I've done.

Speaker 16 And this is before I got on social media.

Speaker 1 All them FBI, all them retired FBI agents they got.

Speaker 16 Man, boy, they don't play.

Speaker 16 They got to keep eyes on that investment.

Speaker 16 Oh, well, you know, hey, listen, hey, Joe, I was one you ain't never had to worry about, Joe.

Speaker 1 Well, they're going to make sure

Speaker 1 they worry about you.

Speaker 1 You know what I find funny? When they say, well, you know,

Speaker 1 we understand, but we're going to let this process play out. You already knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 You probably tried to warn him.

Speaker 16 Oh, that might have been like a, hey, They own you?

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 16 He ain't stopped, though, huh?

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but they know. Well, do you know how many? Do you know how many retired?

Speaker 1 What did Mercedes say? When he started traveling, he's going to ask the NFL to get him security.

Speaker 16 To give him security. Yeah.
And they'll do that. They'll do that for you.

Speaker 1 So you mean to tell me

Speaker 1 all these worth billions and billions of dollars, they got money tied up in these athletes. They're not going to know what y'all doing.

Speaker 16 They know everything, boy. It's crazy.
And listen.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 They don't play.

Speaker 1 If they want you,

Speaker 1 boy, they put Martha Stewart in jail.

Speaker 16 That inside of trade. Yes.

Speaker 1 And she should have just held on to the stock because she sold a stock and it was worth more after she sold it. She should have kept it.
Right.

Speaker 1 They put Leona Helvesley in jail. She was worth more money than Martha Stewart.
She said, only poor people pay taxes. Don't worry about it.
Well, you poor now. Come on down here.

Speaker 1 They go, hey,

Speaker 1 they go when they want you, they get you.

Speaker 16 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. I pay them their money.
I overpay them. Send me a little something back.
Send me a little something back. I don't want to be short.

Speaker 1 Anthony Davis came into the game against the Pacers

Speaker 1 with a reported bilateral Achilles tendinopathy.

Speaker 1 He has Achilles tendinitis.

Speaker 16 Who?

Speaker 1 Achilles tendinitis.

Speaker 16 Hold on. Who is that again? You make it?

Speaker 16 Hey, not LA, not L.A. Laker, former L.A.

Speaker 1 Laker AD. Lavs inexplicably let him play.
AD looked like he stepped hard on the ground and started limping instantly towards the bench. He exited the game, went to the locker room, and did not return.

Speaker 16 Hey,

Speaker 16 them type of injuries there, man. You don't play with

Speaker 1 tendinopathy. You don't play with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 You don't play with them. Nah,

Speaker 1 they get all these fancy names.

Speaker 1 It's still saying tendonitis. They get all these names.

Speaker 1 That's what Kwa had. He had Kwa tendinopathy.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. That must be that.
That's a scientific name, huh?

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 Hey, I'm telling you, I could work with all them boys, Joe. They wouldn't be going through none of this, but don't nobody want to listen to me.

Speaker 16 Don't nobody want to listen to me? Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 16 They don't want to listen.

Speaker 16 Listen, it's all good. It's all good.

Speaker 1 They

Speaker 1 said he was grabbing it bad, say it didn't look good.

Speaker 1 Well, normally he limped off, so I don't think he, I don't think, well, probably strained it, but

Speaker 16 Damn.

Speaker 16 Maybe a strain.

Speaker 16 But what, what, what? What we in game what?

Speaker 1 Six, five, six. Six, game, four, five.
I'm happy. I'm half.

Speaker 1 I was dumb. I ain't know no better.
Man, I had tender nitis. I let him shoot it up.
In my Achilles

Speaker 1 in college.

Speaker 16 Oh, nah.

Speaker 16 Damn, huh?

Speaker 16 Nah. I had it.
I caught Achilles tendonitis. I was playing in Miami.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe.

Speaker 16 First round of...

Speaker 1 If they told me, Joe, if they told me, you know, hey, we can put some medicine in it, put it in there.

Speaker 16 Woo! It wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing to shoot that thing.

Speaker 1 Hey, there was not a body part that I would not let them shoot up, Joe, to play.

Speaker 16 I'm going to tell you the worst one, though. Oh, to play.
I thought you were talking about, okay, my bad. Yeah, yeah, to play.
I had to play. I had, I caught turf toe to where I couldn't practice.

Speaker 16 I couldn't do nothing, Uncle Ocho.

Speaker 16 Like, the only thing I could do was play, and I had to get shot up in my big toe toe before every game oh my god yeah the worst pain before every game before every game we went it was in the playoffs ocho we went seven games okay okay okay seven games i had to get shot in that foot oh man that's the worst pain my brother had that same thing he ended up having to have surgery on his though joe he got had to get he did practice he ended up having to put a a plate in there so his toe wouldn't it wouldn't bend like because it normally the toe bend So yeah, they put that steel plate in there so it wouldn't bend.

Speaker 1 But he ended up, he had to get it shot up every game. And then after the season, he ended up having surgery.
Basically the same surgery that Joe Burrow had.

Speaker 1 And Joe Burrow missing that time, my brother had

Speaker 1 that exact.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but... That's painful.
Oh, yeah. That's painful.
But that's what people are like, man, bro. Because I done had shoulders and ribs and ankles and

Speaker 1 Achilles. Like I said, Joe, I ain't no better.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I know, man. You know what? And you learn how to take care of yourself through your own.

Speaker 1 But I'm trying to. That's what I tell people.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to keep Maryport out of poverty. I'm trying to keep making sure my kids.

Speaker 1 Man, look here. I'm shooting.
Damn, dad, I'm shooting it up.

Speaker 1 Why are you letting me do the play? Oh, yo, yo, yo, AD. AD, that time, that was the first time I had ever been because I had never been injured.
This was in college.

Speaker 1 I had never been injured before.

Speaker 1 So, and this is my senior year. Man, scouts coming out, coming, oh, and

Speaker 1 I'm sitting up on the bleachers.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, shh.

Speaker 1 Doctor said, well, we won't go in there, but we can put some medicine in it. It'll calm it down.

Speaker 16 You're sorry.

Speaker 1 Let me get that. I'm with it.

Speaker 1 Shoulders, ribs, I tore some rib cartilage.

Speaker 1 What's that? Right here. Went to catch a pass over the middle, Ocho.

Speaker 1 And the brace, because I knew the hit was coming,

Speaker 1 My reel popped out.

Speaker 1 He didn't hit me. It's just I braced so hard because I knew it was coming.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, you talk about painful.

Speaker 1 I let him shoot me up for like two weeks. Then I said, no, I can't do it.
I can't take it no more. That damn it hurts so bad, man.

Speaker 1 Hey, take a deep. All right, Sharpie, take a deep breath.

Speaker 16 Hey, hey.

Speaker 16 Because then adrenaline only going to get you so low. It's only going to get you so far

Speaker 16 And once it comes down. It's over with.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Both shoulders.

Speaker 1 Shot both my shoulders up, Ocho, for like three weeks.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about during the week, Ocho, I couldn't even lift my shoulders up like this. They put that medicine in there about 10 minutes later.

Speaker 1 Do it jump a jack.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 16 Hey, but

Speaker 16 hey, man, wait, look, everything was wrong with yourself.

Speaker 1 Ocho.

Speaker 16 Ankles, knees, hips, shoulders.

Speaker 1 Didn't I tell you I had the nerves deadening my ankle so I wouldn't feel no pain so I could go out there and play?

Speaker 1 Woo!

Speaker 1 They told us, hey, look, they say, Shanna, you know, might be some, you might have some issues.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 I don't want no issues now. I deal with that issue later.
I deal with them 50 and 60. I deal with that then.
But right now,

Speaker 1 Mary Porter got to eat. I got kids.
You got to eat.

Speaker 1 So if I, hey,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Some days are better than others. Some days I can pop up out of bed and everything feel good.
And other days it feels like I got hit by a bus

Speaker 1 yesterday.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's what, hey,

Speaker 1 they be in the aid, have that need about this long, Ocho.

Speaker 1 Getting your knees drained. I get my knees like two hours before the game, Ocho.

Speaker 16 Well,

Speaker 16 I told you about my brief sack.

Speaker 1 I had to get both of my knees drained. I'm talking about like 40 and 50 CCs drawed off them.

Speaker 16 God damn, mother, what you doing?

Speaker 1 On Sunday, and then go get it to get it done Tuesday.

Speaker 16 Damn. Oh, man.

Speaker 16 Especially in season, it's hard to keep it. It is.

Speaker 1 It is. Because you're running on it, you falling on your knees.
Yeah. And then I had,

Speaker 1 I think it's my left knee.

Speaker 1 If I fell on that knee,

Speaker 1 oh, they getting,

Speaker 1 they getting 50 CC's Monday morning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 16 it's so funny.

Speaker 16 I don't know what happened.

Speaker 16 I had the birth of sack from when I played in the flag football game out there in London.

Speaker 16 Because I hit the ground, I'm talking about hit the ground real hard.

Speaker 16 And two days later, it looked like I'm talking about

Speaker 16 huge. It was huge.
And it's still been going down. It's been two weeks now.
I got on the plane to go to Atlanta day before yesterday, and it was fat that morning.

Speaker 16 It was still, it was still a lot left. I got on the plane and touched my leg,

Speaker 16 and half of it was gone.

Speaker 16 It's on your knee, yeah.

Speaker 16 So I thought I'm not sure. Listen, I don't know.
I don't know if it had to do with anything with being in flight or altitude or anything, but most of it was gone. So now it's just a little bit left.

Speaker 1 Sometimes they'll take it out, Ocho.

Speaker 1 The bursa

Speaker 1 they can take it out

Speaker 1 I had it

Speaker 1 I had one that got somewhat infected

Speaker 1 in Kansas City hit it split my elbow open I ain't no coaching you know I ain't no we playing I'm just playing

Speaker 1 I said Greek I got a little I got a little uh

Speaker 1 hit my elbow he's like uh come back here let me take a look at it

Speaker 1 say Sharpie this ain't good

Speaker 1 So they cleaned it out.

Speaker 1 They packed it with gauze.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the next day,

Speaker 1 it's a good thing that we ended up having a bye week.

Speaker 1 Couldn't go nowhere. Damn.

Speaker 1 But they had to keep it flushed because this ain't Sharpie. If that thing gets infected, that ain't what you want.

Speaker 1 You don't want no staph infection, Sharp.

Speaker 1 I ain't know what no staph infection was. I had never heard of a staph infection.

Speaker 1 yeah but man yeah i i miss some stuff to get on the field that's why people are like oh you don't know what you yeah i i don't put my body through some stuff all right oh joe and joe time to play a fade presented by prize picks

Speaker 1 Joe, I need you to help me out. Cole Anthony, more than four and a half assists against the Warriors.
Cole Anthony to play for the Bucs.

Speaker 16 Hold on, is he starting, though?

Speaker 1 It don't matter. He's going to just feed the ball to Giannis.

Speaker 16 I know, but I think he's been playing well.

Speaker 1 He had 10 assists the other night.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I know. That's how they get you to it.

Speaker 16 Hey, that's how they get y'all.

Speaker 1 He's starting, Joe. He starts.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's starting. Yeah.

Speaker 16 I give him. So he basically got to get five and six in order to win.

Speaker 16 Telling my death's it. Like, five and six.

Speaker 1 Between Giannis

Speaker 1 and Snail and Miles Turner?

Speaker 16 I know. It sounds good.
It sounds real good.

Speaker 16 Who they playing? Golden State? When is this? Thursday. Golden State.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I'm going to give him the overall.

Speaker 1 Devon A. Chain, 58.5 rush yards against the Ravens.
Ocho.

Speaker 16 Tomorrow night, absolutely. Absolutely.
He's getting 58. I'm gonna be there.
Everybody's been running up and down and through him. Like a hallway.

Speaker 16 Up and down through him. That's what it's gonna be like tomorrow.

Speaker 1 So he will get 59 yards rushing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
We're gonna take the over there.

Speaker 1 Rashad Bateman, 35, 31 and a half yards receiving.

Speaker 1 I don't know where he been. They ain't been throwing him the ball worth a damn.

Speaker 1 Lamar has been hurt, huh?

Speaker 16 Lamar has been hurt. Now, when Lamar's in there, then the offense, the offense is able to function

Speaker 16 in the right way. Everybody get to touch the ball.

Speaker 1 So he's going to get 32 yards.

Speaker 16 Now, I don't know about all that, but that's on you.

Speaker 1 You know what? I'm going to say he's going to do it because Lamar is going to scramble around. He's going to get a couple of broken plays.
I'm going to give him 32.

Speaker 1 This is what's going to be hard, Joe. Dylan Harper, more than 22 and a half combined points, rebounds, and assists.

Speaker 1 Excuse me. Versus the heat.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Hey, man, I don't know if y'all been paying attention. Oh, he bought.

Speaker 1 I know we talked.

Speaker 16 We talked about Wimby, but this rookie, this rookie right here, Dylan Harper, man, he nice. And he, you know what it is, Uncan Ocho? He ain't forcing the issue.

Speaker 16 He naturally, he's been super efficient and he getting numbers, what, 14, 15 a game, probably about five, six, assists. Like he he balls.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 I say, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1 All right, we're going to get out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.

Speaker 1 Man, the Lakers losing.

Speaker 16 Let me see.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're down by one with 10 seconds to go.

Speaker 1 They was winning. They were up big.

Speaker 16 Yeah, they, Minnesota.

Speaker 1 Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy, hey, fam, it's almost Halloween. What were y'all Halloween costumes as kids, and which ones were your favorite?

Speaker 1 Man, I'm in the country. We ain't have no Halloween costume.
Everybody was a ghost.

Speaker 1 Cut them sheets. Cut the eyes out.
Everybody was a ghost. They ain't had no damn collar.
What costume?

Speaker 16 Hey, hold on.

Speaker 16 Hey, can Ash hear me? Yeah.

Speaker 16 You got ash got the ash got to put this Halloween costume up for me real quick if she can

Speaker 16 Hold on. I'm going to send it to to her hey my I was I was beauty and the beast with my daughter Joe and Unk when was it I talked about um it was here in Miami but it was the full it was the full

Speaker 16 how do I say it was the full costume like the full character costume

Speaker 16 dog a unknown it was it was so raw hold on see in the ass if you see if asking how long it took ass to put it up if she can

Speaker 16 my daughter was so little she was she was beauty and I was the beast, but it was the actual costume as if I worked at Disney World or something.

Speaker 16 You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 16 Ash, you got that? Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like, give her a second. Hey,

Speaker 16 yeah, hey, hey, I'm talking about the it's about the costume was about seven feet tall. So when I put it on, you know, Joe, I look at it from around the neck, around the neck area.

Speaker 16 There was a place for me to be able to see out. Yeah.

Speaker 16 It looked like I was seven feet tall, and my daughter was so, she was so short. It was, it was baby Kennedy.
She was so short at the time.

Speaker 16 She might have been maybe, maybe three, maybe three three or four and it was that was my that was my favorite costume it was it was so dope it's a place down here in um in pompano

Speaker 16 called costume world

Speaker 16 and you can buy every character costume like the stuff they wear at disney world

Speaker 16 like the the real costume i ain't talking about no no target or ordering online i'm talking about the real thing you gotta you gotta get in it Like it's it's gonna be hot. Yeah,

Speaker 16 they got everything you looking for.

Speaker 16 I don't even I don't even remember dressing up. I'm gonna be real.

Speaker 1 I ain't never had no costume.

Speaker 1 I ain't never had no costume till I got till I was 30.

Speaker 16 Joe, there you go, right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Still your teeth? Yeah.

Speaker 16 No, come on,

Speaker 16 don't do me like that. Don't do me like that.

Speaker 1 Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 16 That's the beast costume, man. That thing was nice, boy.
I was about seven feet tall in that thing. Lakers won.

Speaker 1 116, 115, Joe.

Speaker 16 All right, okay. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 16 That boy A.R.

Speaker 1 over there put it down.

Speaker 16 Yes, sir.

Speaker 16 You say he's going to be all-sound up?

Speaker 1 He's going to get voted in. You know, he could, first of all, you got Luca,

Speaker 1 Steph, Shea, and Ant.

Speaker 1 That might be... I don't think they're going to take five guards.

Speaker 16 Hold on, hold on. So

Speaker 16 you must don't think Braun can be a bad guy.

Speaker 1 But that's what I'm saying. But LeBron would be classified as a front court.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, they go front court to backcourt, not Joe.

Speaker 1 So, Luke, what about Luke? Luke, backcourt.

Speaker 1 Luca backcourt, Ant-Man backcourt, Steph backcourt, and Shea backcourt.

Speaker 16 So you think the Lakers are going to have three guys in the world?

Speaker 1 I think they could.

Speaker 1 How good is their record going to be?

Speaker 16 That's what's going to be to tell. But, man, like, I'm talking about for negotiation purposes at the end of the season.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's getting whatever he wants at the end of the day. It doesn't even matter, all-star not.
He's going to get what he wants, Joe.

Speaker 16 yeah yeah yeah now look this impressive

Speaker 16 this uh Austin Reeve this impressive what he's wow I just saw that you you saw you saw you saw the uh the last shot he just shot Joe who

Speaker 16 Austin Reeve nah uh uh he didn't you know what it's like tonight he didn't have a great shoot tonight he was nine for 24 but he had 28 points but he had 16 assists

Speaker 1 hey he was eight of 23

Speaker 1 now he nine of 24 because he made the last shot oh did he yeah he won the game for him with 6.6 seconds ago.

Speaker 16 But my thing is,

Speaker 16 if your shot ain't falling, man, can you do something, Mel? Thank the man out here. He dropped 16 dimes.

Speaker 16 You know, that's why I tell a lot of those art cats.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I tell a lot of these young cats who want to improve on their game, man. You can't just be no scorer, bro.
Because if your shot ain't falling that night, what else can you do for us?

Speaker 16 Man, dropped

Speaker 16 16 assists.

Speaker 1 Sheldon Pope said, I just read Alan Iverson's book, and ISO you played in the league with him. How was it seeing what he went through with the media?

Speaker 1 and how did you feel when they changed the dress code for the NBA

Speaker 16 man I hated the change in the dress code you know man we used to pull up to the plane I'm talking about you get right off the bus step right onto the plane you ain't have to do no security check they didn't do none of that when I first came to the league you can wear your warm-up suit like And then all of a sudden, man, they were searching for everything.

Speaker 16 Now you got to wear a suit coat or a suit. Like the change was, it was, it was pretty drastic, man.
But AI paved the way for all us. You know what I mean?

Speaker 16 Like you can still see his imprint in the league now. I mean, in some of our mega stars, you know, like Shea, who was, you know, who looked up to AI, got the corn rolls, you know what I mean?

Speaker 16 Like it's,

Speaker 16 he left, he left a mean imprint.

Speaker 1 AI started with the sleeve. That guy ain't no, AI had to burst, had a bursa.
That's why he wore the sleeve. Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody else got a sleeve on you because it looked cool.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah. They don't know.

Speaker 16 he really had to have surge on his elbow.

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 16 He went to uh, I had, I had elbow surgery, too. He went to Andrews.

Speaker 1 James Andrews down in

Speaker 1 Birmingham? Alabama.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 So, uh, yeah, he changed. I mean, tattoos.
Everybody got tattoos now.

Speaker 1 Everybody got tattoos, cord rolls, or tattoos and dreads.

Speaker 1 You got one.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think of a brother that don't have no tattoos.

Speaker 16 It ain't many.

Speaker 1 And if you ain't got no tattoos, you got cord rolls or dreads or locks or whatever.

Speaker 1 You got one or the other. But David Stern, hey, David Stern said, nah, y'all living to scare off these advertising sponsors.

Speaker 1 Y'all finna put some, y'all finna put, y'all finna dress like y'all business people. We are business.
We are not finna let you guys mess up this money.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 So, hey, look, so it was one all-star game I played with AI, and this is the all-star game. He came in.

Speaker 16 He had his do-rag on, but he had to cut his hair and nobody knew so he took that do-rag off we went crazy he had a big split in between his head from from wearing them braids for so long I couldn't even believe I'm like man this ain't the dude I grew up watching what what has happened

Speaker 16 I saw that clip y'all was in the locker room huh yeah yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1 it's uh

Speaker 1 but he uh man he a great dude I bet the dude man he he a good dude he is bro Robert Gomez hey fellas did you ever get in so much trouble as a kid that you started planning or running away so you wouldn't get a whipping?

Speaker 1 I ain't had nowhere to go. I ain't had no money.

Speaker 16 Shit, where I'm going? You could run. I hear in the tree.

Speaker 1 Catch him, Spanky. Spanky ain't catching nothing today.

Speaker 1 Run away.

Speaker 16 I wish I would. Hey, you know, back then, boy, you run away.
Your mama lock your ass out of the house now.

Speaker 16 You play games as you want to.

Speaker 16 Yeah, hey, used to when you got in trouble, though, when she came home, you had that house cleaned.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you do everything.

Speaker 16 Everything clean up. Hey, hold up.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. You clean up everything to hope she gives you some grace to get in trouble.

Speaker 16 Hey, hey, and when she comes in there, you make like you sleep. Boy, please get up.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, Joe, my girl, about come home from working. Grady, you want to go fishing?

Speaker 1 Out of dug base and everything, Joe, Joe.

Speaker 1 Bad please.

Speaker 1 But you know what the worst was, Joe? You get a whipping, and then your grandma tells everybody, yeah, I had to tear that boy's ass up. Ain't nobody asking that, Granny.

Speaker 1 Why are you telling my business?

Speaker 1 She gets on the phone to tell everybody. She called my uncle.
She called her friends. Yeah, I had to cut that boy's ass today.
He been there being married.

Speaker 1 You don't want nobody. you don't want nobody to know you.

Speaker 1 Granted, why you drop snitching? Ain't nobody ask you, did you whip Shannon today? You volunteered that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't kill that boy ass up.

Speaker 16 You never, I'm not sure, Joe, how it was when y'all grew up, but when we had a family function or people came to my grandma's house, she would have those Eastern Star meetings.

Speaker 16 Yeah, my grandma was Eastern Stars.

Speaker 16 She had up Eastern Star meetings, and everybody came over, and here she goes, calling me to come out here, introduce, boy, show him, show them the little dance you used to do.

Speaker 1 Show me the little dance you learned. And I'm like, oh, what?

Speaker 16 And she, you know, she talking nice. And I'm like, I'm rejecting wanting to do the dance.
And she gets like, boy, if you don't show these people the dance you've been working on.

Speaker 16 Yeah, hey, talking with talking with her teeth shut.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, bitch.
That we call Ben Twiligriff. My girl, like, hey, be talking.
And don't move. Not one, don't look, nothing move.
At all.

Speaker 16 They treat me like I'm some little circus family.

Speaker 16 Got me out here in front of all these ladies, man. They got on the all-white, man.
Talk about showing them the dance.

Speaker 1 You know, when we start talking between when they talk between their teeth, I'm going to cut you out when you get home.

Speaker 1 I just start crying.

Speaker 16 Hey, look, that's my grandma in church, boy.

Speaker 1 Hey, yeah.

Speaker 1 El Prey said, Joey, how was your mental experience doing your recovery? What were the adjustments you had to make to incorporate yoga into the healing process?

Speaker 16 Well,

Speaker 16 so when I got, I got, is he asking, how did I get into yoga?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, how did it help me out? That, you know, you went through it and everything. So how you get

Speaker 1 ingratiating yourself back into the process?

Speaker 16 Oh, well,

Speaker 16 I go to yoga three times a week because I'm trying to get that range of motion back in my leg.

Speaker 16 So

Speaker 16 I got to let that heat penetrate it and loosen it up. But I'll be back in business, man, probably by the first of the year.
Meaning, like, I already got, I'm at about 125 degrees.

Speaker 16 We walk around at like 130, 140 degrees. So I'm at like 125.
So I'm close to normal. So

Speaker 16 I think the yoga is definitely helping. Like I got red light therapy and cryotherapy in my studio, Uncle Ocho.
So I use it on the regular. Yeah, I ain't playing.
Hold on. You got that in your house?

Speaker 16 Nah, I say that in my yoga studio.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got it in the yoga studio.

Speaker 16 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, you got a little money, bro. Look, look, look, hold on, chill out.
So

Speaker 16 I took what I used to do

Speaker 16 when I played in the NBA. I used to do the red light therapy.
I used to do the cryotherapy. I just took it into the yoga world.

Speaker 16 And, you know, it just kind of worked for me.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. You got that.
You got that cryo, huh?

Speaker 16 Come on, man. Come on.
I got to get back right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that cryo, man. That thing,

Speaker 1 that look two, three, that look two minutes. That thing, a

Speaker 1 three, three minutes.

Speaker 1 Three minutes?

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 16 you can go a minute and a half. You can go two, two and a half, but like, it's got different sins.
But yeah, it's the three minutes. You do that three minute.

Speaker 16 I feel like you're enough enough of 15, bro.

Speaker 1 Joe, damn. I did, let me tell you what I did.
I did that. I did it twice.
You know, you're only supposed to do it once a day. I did it twice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Joe, my body. I made up.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 1 Because you burn calories. No, it didn't.
You burn calories. But I'm saying, it was like

Speaker 1 I was dehydrated.

Speaker 16 Yeah. What I'm saying is, so when you do cryotherapy, all the blood rushes to the center of your chest.

Speaker 16 All your blood rushes to the center of your chest. And it's like a workout.
You burn calories.

Speaker 1 You can burn your body

Speaker 1 because it's trying to heat up. That's why you burn more calories in the winter than you do the summer because

Speaker 1 your body is rushing so hard to keep you warm. If you notice, Ocho, when people get cold, what do they start doing? Shivering.
That's your body trying to generate heat to warm you up.

Speaker 1 So that thing is minus 180.

Speaker 1 Man,

Speaker 1 I did it like it, I did it like at 10 o'clock, 10:30, then went back at like 6.

Speaker 1 Never. That thing never joke, what?

Speaker 1 J213 said, Glad to finally catch you all. Law school has been a lot of fun, but God has carried me through.
What foods did you ever not touch again

Speaker 1 after you saw how they made some money?

Speaker 1 I can't touch spam ever again.

Speaker 1 Chitlins.

Speaker 1 Sardines.

Speaker 16 Pig feet.

Speaker 1 I eat pig feet.

Speaker 1 I fry some spams. Hey, I'll let somebody get some toast.
You make some toast. Fry that ham or that spam.
I eat spam right now.

Speaker 1 I ain't messing with no sardines. I ain't messing with nobody's chitlins.

Speaker 16 I eat chitlin. Hold on.
You won't eat no chitlin, but you'll eat raccoons.

Speaker 1 I sure will.

Speaker 1 And you won't eat something too.

Speaker 1 Because I got a guy. I done found a guy in New Orleans that's going to make us a raccoon stew.
Me, you, and Joe.

Speaker 16 Oh, oh, oh, listen, I'm going to eat them.

Speaker 16 Listen, I eat anything. You ain't got to worry about me.
I'm going to try it.

Speaker 1 That's all we got to do, Joe. We got to try it.
Joe,

Speaker 1 oh Joe, and ISO Adventure. We got to eat everything.
We got to eat.

Speaker 1 We got to eat mountain oysters.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe.
You and Joe got to try bull dicking onions. Y'all got to try all that.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out, time out, time out, time out, time out, time out, time out, time time out.
Timeout.

Speaker 16 Hey, listen. I tried the onions.

Speaker 1 That's not it.

Speaker 16 I ain't even trying that.

Speaker 1 Listen, man, come on now.

Speaker 1 Hey, people thought I was lying. Go Google it right now, Ocho.
Type in on Google.

Speaker 1 And see what come up. You go see it.

Speaker 16 And this people eat this.

Speaker 16 I ain't heard it this long.

Speaker 16 I'm from some country. I know some country folks, man.

Speaker 1 ask your grandma your grandma your grandma still live yo

Speaker 16 yeah

Speaker 16 grandma 84 yeah

Speaker 1 absolutely

Speaker 16 are you i see how you try to slide that one in

Speaker 1 yeah but you eat pig ear pigtail

Speaker 16 no i don't eat pig ears

Speaker 1 oh you ain't never had no pig ear sandwich I had I had them.

Speaker 16 I just can't, like,

Speaker 16 I don't know if it's how they was cooked, but I could,

Speaker 16 I can't get, you know what I mean?

Speaker 16 It's kind of like, it's kind of, it's kind of like the, the, the, uh, the, what's the, what's the, uh, the pig intestine stuff?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you talking about a hog moth?

Speaker 16 No, the stuff we were just talking about.

Speaker 1 Oh, chili.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 16 I can't even get past the.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you gotta smell bad of that.

Speaker 1 Oh, what about, what about hog? You ever had the hoghead cheese?

Speaker 1 No, I ain't had that.

Speaker 1 So I guess you had a little tribe.

Speaker 1 What about tongue? You ever had a cow tongue?

Speaker 16 I've seen it,

Speaker 1 have mercy.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 16 I'd have had a little cow tongue. I'd had a little cow tongue, little chocolate-covered hands.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah, so

Speaker 1 we're gonna get that.

Speaker 1 We eating eyeballs, yeah.

Speaker 1 Everything, everything, everything,

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 1 Josiah Chuang said, Oh, Joe, let me be your tech guy. I'm being serious.

Speaker 16 Hey, hey, boy, boy, listen, man. If you know anything about

Speaker 16 computers and Sony cameras, I can show you because I can't get my...

Speaker 16 I'm using my laptop camera right now. Hey, Joe, it's still clear?

Speaker 1 It's clear a little bit?

Speaker 1 I mean, you make it do. We make it, do.

Speaker 16 Okay, but yeah, man, I don't know.

Speaker 16 I was invested by the geek squad. They know what to do.

Speaker 16 The lady working

Speaker 16 in the camera section, she sat there with me for three hours, Joe. Sat there for three hours.
I bought a new 13-inch computer because I thought that's what it was.

Speaker 16 No, this still, it still didn't recognize it until they tried something called a cam link.

Speaker 16 And we did the cam link, and the computer was able to recognize the camera with the cam link once I plugged it into the port. But then the Elgato, it keeps shutting off the night.

Speaker 16 So now I'm still right back at square one.

Speaker 1 We're going to have chicken feet, chicken neck, chicken gizzles.

Speaker 16 Okay, gizzles.

Speaker 16 I know know some gizzles. I like, I like gizzles.
I eat some too.

Speaker 1 Gizzles good.

Speaker 1 J just said, oh, how you deal with Ocho, man?

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 Everything.

Speaker 1 JT513 said, Ocho, you from Miami. You can't load that clip.

Speaker 1 And can't. Who can't load the clip?

Speaker 16 I load my clip with my elbow, too.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 1 Tanaj said, Ash, please set up eight ball stream at Fisher Street.

Speaker 1 First of all,

Speaker 1 Joe probably ain't been fishing in 25 years. Ocho ain't really never been fishing.

Speaker 1 Who ain't not fishing?

Speaker 16 It's been a couple years.

Speaker 16 Why didn't we throw my rod, huh? It's been a couple years.

Speaker 1 Boy, don't you go. You ain't going nowhere throwing no rod like that.

Speaker 16 I don't think that boy can do nothing.

Speaker 1 I'm just keeping real. First of all, why are you throwing it with both hands?

Speaker 16 What you mean? I'm throwing it with one hand.

Speaker 1 Oh, you first of all, if you're going deep sea fishing, Ocho, I get it. And you want to get spin it way on out there.
But if you shorty,

Speaker 1 if you fishing, let's just say you fishing in a pond or you fishing in a lake. You just whip it out there like that, Ocho.

Speaker 16 Oh, yeah, because hey, yeah, because that's a little pole, but I got the big pole because I'm thinking we were deep sea fishing.

Speaker 1 Oh, you throwing that big boy out there.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 16 And you see the extension?

Speaker 1 You see how you throw it? Oh, Lord.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 16 you got to wind it up.

Speaker 1 TG's 215. Once you turn 30 in professional sports, what do you do differently than you did your rookie year?

Speaker 16 Shoot, count down the time before they're going to let you go. Nah,

Speaker 16 well, I think that's when a lot of your eating habits, you know, you started to change them. You start to change them eating.
And once you get about 30, man, you got to change them eating habits.

Speaker 16 You can't wake up eating them chips and Zuzus and Wimwham.

Speaker 16 You got to get some real protein, starch, you you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, you got to really fuel that body.

Speaker 16 That was probably the biggest change for me.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I started, I was about 25

Speaker 1 eating, then I started bringing my food. I was eating, you know, chicken breasts, rice, broccoli, black eyed peas, and then I would have a steak.

Speaker 1 A couple of times a week, I'd have eight ounce filet, stuff like that. But you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 I mean, my first couple of years, I was fast food every, I mean, Derrick Queen, Burger King, and McDonald's.

Speaker 16 Man, look, I could be headed to the game with a honey bun and some chips. Oh, those when I was 20.

Speaker 1 I kept that minute-made juice.

Speaker 1 Honey buns and chip. I had about four cards in there.

Speaker 1 Please.

Speaker 16 Hey, you just don't know no better when you're that young.

Speaker 1 You don't.

Speaker 1 The Jordan Rockovic said, Uncle Ocho, y'all played a vicious sport, but do y'all think y'all could make it through SEAL training and Hell Week? Hell no.

Speaker 1 It all depends.

Speaker 1 It all depends. See, that ain't really something I really aspired to do.
Now, what I aspired to do, Ocho, was be a professional football player. So now, if you say, okay, Shadda,

Speaker 1 that's not an option, you know, football an option. And I set my mind to it, you damn right.
Because it's more mental than physical.

Speaker 1 Because there have been guys that was on the swim team, can't make it through SEAL training because mentally they're not strong enough.

Speaker 1 So that's what it comes down to. But, I mean, being sleep deprived, man, you know how grouchy you are when you're sleepy?

Speaker 16 Man.

Speaker 1 And they, you, I mean, they got you going on two, three hours of sleep a day.

Speaker 1 Hey, I'll be OT. I'll be walking there and ringing that bell.
I see y'all. Ding, ding, ding.

Speaker 16 I'll let y'all later.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I ain't much of a swimmer either.

Speaker 1 You can't swim,

Speaker 1 but you got to, hey, man, they got your hands behind your back,

Speaker 1 and you got to stand up for an hour. Oh, Joe, you just got to.

Speaker 16 You got to relax, huh?

Speaker 16 You got to relax.

Speaker 16 Yeah, you know, I did a little Navy SEAL.

Speaker 1 And you can't pay the Navy SEAL training.

Speaker 16 Yeah, you can't. You got to relax.

Speaker 1 That's why, hey, remember we had that discussion about being tied up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The old bed post coming down. Hell, half your apartment coming down.

Speaker 1 Hell no.

Speaker 1 I do not like being restrained.

Speaker 1 Hell to the toe.

Speaker 16 Hey, that's some kingish.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man. Please.
Eagle fans 78. Anthony are the

Speaker 1 home in India after this season.

Speaker 1 If not, where to?

Speaker 1 He's asking if Anthony Richardson will remain in India after this season.

Speaker 16 As a backup,

Speaker 16 they gonna get rid of him?

Speaker 1 I think they'll try to probably move.

Speaker 1 If this season keeps progressing the way it does,

Speaker 1 he has more value to them being traded than

Speaker 1 sitting on your teeth, rock, on your bench.

Speaker 16 Because

Speaker 1 you're not going to guarantee that fifth year option, Ocho. That's not.
You're not doing that.

Speaker 16 Obviously, not for that kind of money, no.

Speaker 1 Tino Davis said, Uncanocho, my uncle passed away today due to congestive heart failure. He loved y'all to death from the NFL to Nightcap.
Nowadays, any words would be helpful.

Speaker 1 Tino, I'm sorry, bro, about your uncle passing, man.

Speaker 16 My condolences.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, death is never really easy to deal with. And

Speaker 1 someone that cared about you, we appreciate the support. We appreciate him following our NFL career.
appreciate him following us at Nightcap.

Speaker 1 But hopefully you have peace and understanding and comfort in your troubled times. So thank you, man.
Thank you for the message. Thanks.

Speaker 1 But our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family and anyone impacted by the passing of your uncle.

Speaker 1 That,

Speaker 1 that concludes this episode of Nightcap. I want to thank each and every one of you guys for joining us tonight.
As you saw,

Speaker 1 A.R.

Speaker 1 Kobe of the Ozarks hit a walk-off shot. The Jays, Toronto Blue Jays, are one win away for winning the third World Series Championship.

Speaker 1 We'll see if the Dodgers can keep this thing alive and force a game seven going back to Toronto.

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Speaker 1 Tight end now for the Denver Broncos playing in his 20th season. He said this will be his 20th and final season.
That's a long time to play in the NFL. I played 14.
Ocho played 11.

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Speaker 16 17, 18. They count the 18 because of the 10-day that I did with Boston, but 17.

Speaker 1 So that's a lot. You understand, that's a long, long time to play.

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Speaker 16 Yes, sir. Appreciate you.
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