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Speaker 2 The game that you just watched, the Eagles defeat the Lions by the the score of 16 to 9 Ocho me personally I think that was a horrible pass interference call that is a play on because you know

Speaker 2 it could have went either way but I don't think in that I don't I personally don't think it was a PI on yes in I don't but that being said the Eagles win this ball game they moved to 8-2 with a 16-9 victory and the Lions dropped

Speaker 2 6-4

Speaker 2 Ocho

Speaker 2 we're going to talk about this a little later, but there was a meeting between A.J. Brown and the owner, Jeffrey Lurie.
We'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 So I chatting didn't happen because you know y'all going to get mad at Ocho and I for talking about it. Because y'all going to say it didn't happen.
Although everybody has reported that it did happen.

Speaker 2 You keep telling Ocho and I, there's nothing going on. But normally, players and owners don't have closed-door meetings.
That's normal. I've never had a closed door.

Speaker 2 I did once I was retired, you know what I'm saying? But anyway, Ocho, the Eagles did what they needed to do. Jalen Hurst was 14 of 28, 135 yards, no touchdowns, no interceptions.

Speaker 2 Again, he didn't turn the ball over. He had one fumble, but they ended up recovering it.

Speaker 2 Saquon was 26 of 83. Nothing to write home about.
40 rush attempts, 148 yards. The wind was gusting, I think, probably excess of 30, 40 miles an hour, which made it difficult.

Speaker 2 And knowing what you know, having played in Cincinnati, Baltimore, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, where the wind swirls and it gets hard, you know, points are going to bring out a premium.

Speaker 2 And we know how Dan Campbell is. He's very aggressive.
But I thought the night didn't call for aggressiveness because points were going to be at a premium.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't going to be a ball game, Ocho, where you're going to get 31, 28, 35, 34, something like that. So points were going to be at a premium.

Speaker 2 But what did you like about what you saw from the night?

Speaker 12 I mean, listen, they were resilient, huh? They were resilient. They obviously

Speaker 12 weren't carried by the offense. The offense did just enough.
AJ Brown had

Speaker 12 somewhat of a down night.

Speaker 2 11 targets. He had 11 targets.

Speaker 12 He core seven of those. He had 49 yards.
I mean, Saquon, you know, had 26 carry for 83 yards, but the defense dominated, huh? The defense dominated.

Speaker 12 The fact that it's as explosive as the Detroit Lions offense is, I mean, they were held in check. They were held in check.

Speaker 12 Golf was what, 14 for 37. He had one TD.
He had an interception. They were able to hold Gibbs, Sonic.
Is Gibbs Sonic?

Speaker 12 Hey, wait, listen, they were able to hold him to 12 carry for 39 yards.

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. Wait, hold on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but he got it in the past. So he got, if you look at it, OJO, he had 107 yards receiving, five carries, five catches.
So

Speaker 2 he got his yards from scrimmage. He just didn't get them the way we conventionally used to.

Speaker 12 Yeah, absolutely. But

Speaker 12 that goddamn Eagles defense on, but them boy and play some goddamn balls, especially that front four.

Speaker 12 Jordan Davis had him a night tonight. Jalen.

Speaker 2 How many balls did they bat down, Ojoe? Five, six, seven?

Speaker 2 maybe if i'm not mistaken maybe about seven eight maybe about seven and eight because jordan davis i think i saw him get three carter got three got two

Speaker 2 uh 97 got one i mean every time i turn around and it's so frustrating oh joe because you know you like oh yeah i got it yeah damn matter of fact listen and and all all it is is is just being able to disengage if you can't get to the quarterback use your eyes Use your eyes.

Speaker 12 Hold the offensive player out and play the passing lane. Play the passing lane with your hands and watch the quarterback's eyes.
And it worked wonderfully. Jalen Phillips had a sack tonight.

Speaker 12 And listen, in the back end, they played very well as well. They played really, really good.
They did. I mean, honestly,

Speaker 12 it was somewhat of a boring game.

Speaker 12 It was a boring game. The elements played a factor in that.

Speaker 12 But I enjoyed it. And the fact that offensively, the Eagles

Speaker 12 didn't look to par as we like them to look, but they still got the most important stat. They got the W.

Speaker 2 That's what they do.

Speaker 2 I mean, they don't, you know, there have been times they need to score 35 and they score 35. Sometimes they need to score 10, they score 10.

Speaker 2 They do what is necessary to win, and they don't put themselves in harm's way. I just felt that Campbell was rolling the dice a little bit too early, too soon.

Speaker 2 There are times that, you know, punt the ball away and pin them down. Make them go to, don't give them a short field.
Goff turned the ball over early,

Speaker 2 and I think they got three points out of that. But Detroit, they better get home field.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because anybody they could potentially play, unless it's the Rams,

Speaker 2 they're going to probably be outside of John.

Speaker 2 And the conditions, you know what the conditions are. In January, they're going to probably be

Speaker 2 like this.

Speaker 2 Maybe even worse. So you don't know because when you look at the schedule, let's see.
Philly is the one seed.

Speaker 2 Probably only going to get one team out of that division.

Speaker 2 Green Bay, Chicago, those are two teams that could possibly get in. Guess what, Ocho? The weather is bad there.

Speaker 2 So Philly is bad. The Rams, Seattle, Seattle.
You know, Seattle is terrible. Although they lost today, we'll talk about them.
But I just thought, look,

Speaker 2 it is tough. I could just imagine because Jalen has to answer questions, not about Detroit, but about AJ.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's starting to bother me. Like, man, I want to focus on Detroit.
Ask me something about Detroit. And it's hard because they're making a conscious effort.

Speaker 2 They're putting plays in the game plan to make me, I ain't going through my progression. Throw it to AJ.

Speaker 2 Throw it to AJ. And that got Golf into trouble.
Because Golf had a time had to tighten on a shallow cross, but he's looking for Almond Raw.

Speaker 2 What happens, Ocho, a lot of times when the tight end blocks, they're taught, unless the guy is covering him, man, unless he's green-dogging,

Speaker 2 he's taught, okay, start looking for crosses, start looking. And so, what happened is that he blocked the linebacker, is not green-dogging, which means he's not pressing.

Speaker 2 So, he starts looking and dropping the coverage. He comes on the shallow cross, but ball.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But he's looking at Ahmed Raw because he'd already made his mind up where he's going with the football. And it's hard to undo that.
And you see, Jay, Montgomery is just

Speaker 2 Montgomery is jumping up in him damn near the middle of the field like i'm open

Speaker 2 the tight end was was scott free uh

Speaker 2 you see golf player with gloves on but i i think it just got frustrating because he had some opportunities and then they backed the ball right back down his face like we were playing volleyball uh beach volleyball and it's it's tough it was frustrating um

Speaker 2 to watch but look the eagles are gonna look the eagles They're not going to win style points. And winning is, this is not gymnastics.

Speaker 2 This is not swimming, you know, platform diving or anything like that where it's subjective no this is about wins and losses and how do we get the win is unimportant the most important thing is that we got the win not how we got it is that we got it and uh that's what the eagles that's what the eagles do ojo the eagles win it ain't pretty

Speaker 12 it's not pretty and the one thing it's also it's also when i'm thinking about a game like this i'm thinking how gan dan campbell's thinking in a sense you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna take some chances i'm gonna go for it on four

Speaker 12 to see if I can get those points in premium due to the elements

Speaker 12 and force the Eagles to play a different style of game. Force them to play a different style of game and put the pressure on them to be able to put points up and keep up with us.

Speaker 12 To me, that's the thinking and the way Dan Campbell might have been thinking on how he wanted to play this game. Let's get up early on him and force them to be able to throw the ball.

Speaker 12 Let's make them uncomfortable.

Speaker 12 Let's put them in a position where they want to do something they don't want to do.

Speaker 12 And that's the only second thing. And the defense, they step up to the challenge.
They step to the challenge and play it extremely well.

Speaker 2 If you got Laporta, I give you that because he's a guy that can win against your linebackers and against your safeties. So I'll give you that.

Speaker 2 But given what you're up against, considering the elements that probably 17 points would win you these ball games, the last thing you want to do is give away field position and let them get easy points.

Speaker 2 If you, oh, if they drive the field and they get a field, they get a field goal, if they drive the field and they get a touchdown, I can live with that.

Speaker 2 But I can't put them on a short field and let them get one field goal and now, excuse me, let them get one first down and now they're in field goal range.

Speaker 2 Or even if they don't score, they're going to have me backed up. And so now I'm constantly trying to swim up.
I feel like a salmon spawning season.

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm swimming upstream and there's a lake full of bears.

Speaker 2 They get full because they hibernate. They got to eat all they can because they're about to go into hibernation.
And that's what happened to Detroit is that they gave the Eagles short fields.

Speaker 2 And even when they didn't score points, Ocho, it kept them backed up. And

Speaker 2 they just needed to start one. I mean, they did a great job of stopping the tush push and got a short field, ended up getting a field goal out of it.

Speaker 2 But like I said,

Speaker 2 it'd have been very interesting to see

Speaker 2 if they don't call that PI call, can they go down and get a touchdown?

Speaker 2 Put it like this: I'm not putting no money that means something to me that they're going to go down and get a touchdown.

Speaker 2 You might put some money on it that means something to you that says, Okay, yeah, Detroit's going to Detroit's going to go down and get a touchdown.

Speaker 12 You know, what's funny is I don't think it would have made a difference.

Speaker 12 I don't think it would have made a difference whether it was a PI or not.

Speaker 12 I don't think they would have been able to get that touchdown as well as the damn Eagles played defense all night long, all four quarters. You know,

Speaker 12 it looked like what it did.

Speaker 12 They were able to get get nine points nine points we talked about uh a ramp talk about the rams we talk about a lions team that's that's able to score you know in bulk there's number two that scored an average of about a little over almost 32 points so for for them to come out today and i'm not gonna blame the elements i'm not gonna blame the weather you know at all because we because both teams had to play exactly and we've seen them play in cold weather before and still be able to to put up points you know at will so i think the eagles they played one one hell of a game um on on all three levels on all three levels they they were phenomenal they did

Speaker 2 and the thing is ojo but you know about dome teams there's a reason why dome teams don't go to the super bowl unless they're in their own building because when you have to go outside and you have to normally late january the weather is bad you go to philly or you go to cincinnati you go to pittsburgh you go to baltimore you go to kansas city if you're a dome weather team it's really not conducive normally you look at the Rams.

Speaker 2 They got to the Super Bowl how they had home field.

Speaker 2 When they didn't have home field, it's tough.

Speaker 2 I mean, the only warm weather team that I can remember going on the road to get to the Super Bowl is Tampa, is when they went on the road to Philly and they beat Philly and Philly.

Speaker 2 And it took a Herculean effort from the defense because the offense really didn't do anything. Ronde Barbie ended up getting like a 90-yard pick six, something like that.
But it's very tough.

Speaker 2 So Detroit got their work cut out for them if they want to get to where they want to be.

Speaker 2 And it's not going to be easy because I don't know if you noticed. Chicago's playing really, really well.
That quarterback is getting more and more comfortable.

Speaker 12 Hold on.

Speaker 2 And Green Bay has found a way to win. I was like, I mean, sometimes I don't know Jordan Love.
Do you need to realize he had to go to the tent because all of a sudden he's like, I'm Derrick Henry.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, you're not.

Speaker 2 Until the tent, he went and ended up going inside until he figured out like, nah, bro, you can't take shots.

Speaker 2 You can't take shots on your shoulder like that.

Speaker 2 If you look at the Eagles, OJo, they've beaten the Lions, the Packers, the Vikings, the Bucs, the Rams, and the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 With the exception

Speaker 2 of the Vikings,

Speaker 2 everybody else theoretically is still in playoff contentions. I mean, maybe the Vikings still are, but the Chiefs, although they're ninth in the division, all you takes is seventh.

Speaker 2 They still, there's an outside chance that they could win the division. But the Rams, Rams, they're clearly in sole possession because

Speaker 2 they beat Seattle today.

Speaker 2 So to beat the Lions, to beat the Packers, to beat the Bucs, to beat the Rams, to beat the Chiefs, that's a good football team.

Speaker 2 Now, you're just not going to just go in there and willy-nilly just go roll over them. So if you think that's what's going to happen, that ain't happening.

Speaker 2 They're very well coached, and I know a lot of people don't like their offense. And Kevin Petula, la la la.

Speaker 2 They're not going to beat themselves. You're going to have to beat beat them.

Speaker 2 Jerry Goff's worst completion percentage in a single game in his career, Ocho, 37.8% tonight. The ninth lowest mark by a quarterback who has at least 35 attempts since 2005.

Speaker 2 The Eagles defense did it again.

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Speaker 2 So basically,

Speaker 2 148,

Speaker 2 and 124. So they had about 270 yards.

Speaker 12 Hey, 270. You know what's funny? We have all this discourse and all this talk about AJ Brown and the offense and it not

Speaker 12 living up to the standards and evolving as an offense as opposed to what they did last year. And Saquon really hasn't had a day yet.

Speaker 12 What we're used to seeing, I think at some point, they're going to hit their stride. At some point, I think things are going to open up.

Speaker 12 That offense is going to change, especially, I think it's going to start clicking when it matters most.

Speaker 12 Not only are they getting wins right now, they're getting the wins ugly, but I think at some point, maybe

Speaker 12 that momentum or they catch fire at the right time

Speaker 12 when it matters most. Now, I mean, obviously, they're winning games ugly.

Speaker 12 The defense is carrying a load, and probably the main or the majority reason why they're winning. But I think once the offense catches up to where the defense is, and

Speaker 12 maybe just halfway, maybe just halfway. I think that they're going to be a force to reckon with, especially once they get to the goddamn playoffs.

Speaker 12 And there's a good chance if they keep playing like this defensively, and if the offense gets any better or any more efficient, especially on the ground and the running, they have a healthy balance of both, man, it's going to be hell.

Speaker 12 It's going to be hell.

Speaker 2 But we know at some point in time, one team offense is going to have their way with that defense. And then the offense is going to have to bail them out.

Speaker 2 We've seen it happen no matter what.

Speaker 2 everybody has a game in which if whatever your strong suit is you struggle and the other side of the ball needs to bail you out and it's normally the side that

Speaker 2 has struggled so the offense has really struggled but the defense has been exemplary so what happens when an offense opposing team offense has their way with that defense and i'm saying you know somehow they get you know 28 get 31 points now we're going to need jalen hurts and we're going to need the offense to go match that and go get 32 get 33 get 34 points.

Speaker 2 So we know that game is coming. We don't know who it's going to be.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's the Cowboys because the Cowboys, that's a division rival game.

Speaker 2 You throw everything out of the window. Don't look how bad the Cowboys are.
I know the Cowboys have played like some stir-fry this year, but against a division opponent,

Speaker 2 you throw everything out of the window. But that was a big win for the Eagles.
8-2 on the season. Dropped the Lions to 6-4 with a score of 16-9.

Speaker 2 Jordan Davis, Ocho, entered the night with three batted balls. He finished with the tie for the league lead with six.
So he had three. Carter probably had two.

Speaker 2 97, I think that's Hunt, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 Had one, but they won.

Speaker 2 They played well. They handled the elements, the conditions, better than Detroit did.
Because, you know,

Speaker 2 how do I practice that, Ocho? I normally practice them and don't. So they probably went outside.
I'm sure they went outside.

Speaker 12 Because it's cold in Detroit right now. It's cold in Detroit.

Speaker 12 Hey, listen, knowing Dan Campbell to get them ready for the elements and what you're going to have to, I mean, what it's going to be like on Sunday, we're going to practice outside Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

Speaker 2 Yep. Before the game, reports came out from ESPN Sal Palantonio, the guy that knows all things Eagles.
He's been covering the Eagles for probably 40 years. A.J.

Speaker 2 Brown met with Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie during practice last week to hash out Brown's public frustration over his role in Philly's offense.

Speaker 2 During the 10-minute meeting, Brown promised Lurie that he would stop complaining on social media. Brown told Lurie that he just wants to be a part of an offense and it's frustrated.

Speaker 2 All right, hey, Eagles fan, me and Ocho didn't know what we're talking about. We just making stuff up.
Now, how many times, how many, how many times have you ever heard of Jeffrey Lurie?

Speaker 2 He's on this team for two decades. Met with a player about something that he was posting on social media.

Speaker 2 Met with a player about his role in the offense, his role in the defense. Eagle, this is, hey, chat, this is only for Eagle fans.

Speaker 2 I don't want anybody else to chime in because Ocho and I, we just doing this for clicks, mainly you, um, because Ocho, Ocho, cool, we like Ocho, but it's mainly you.

Speaker 2 So Eagles fans, I want y'all to tell me the time that your owner has met with a previous player over his role in the offense or the defense. I'm going to give you a couple of minutes to chime in.

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 and I like Cocho, I understood from the beginning. My only thing was, I said, AJ, it's just that when you do this publicly and

Speaker 2 winning, and you say your goal is to win, and you're winning, the fans are not going to look at it like, man, I want to be involved because I want to take this offense to the next level.

Speaker 2 They're going to look at it as you complaining and being selfish because you're not getting stats.

Speaker 2 That's how it's going to be.

Speaker 2 So, my thing was just keep it behind closed doors.

Speaker 12 I mean,

Speaker 2 he probably kept it behind closed door, Ocho, as long as Ocho, using all this stuff. So, yeah,

Speaker 2 absolutely. Until you open the door and all that fish come rolling.

Speaker 12 Absolutely. And the funny thing about it, too, is you know what I think? I think he's had those conversations behind closed doors.
I think he's had those conversations with Jalen.

Speaker 12 I think he's had those conversations with Coach Siriani.

Speaker 2 Siriani,

Speaker 2 he might have.

Speaker 12 He might have because this has been going on since last year. It's been going on since last year.

Speaker 12 So I think the conversations have already been had and he hasn't been heard because nothing has changed. Nothing has changed.
But what A.J. Brown has to understand, this offense is run a certain way.

Speaker 12 It's always run a certain way. And the way that they do it,

Speaker 12 Jalen Hurst does not put the ball in harm's way. He's not going to take the chances like Aaron Rodgers.
He's not going to take the chances like a Brett Favre or a gunslinging quarterback.

Speaker 12 I'm going to make the right reads i'm gonna do the right things with the ball and i'm not gonna put my team in harm's way in harm's way and have us behind the eight ball when it comes to playing football and that's just that's the nature of the business and the way they do things and i think the eagles like the kind of quarterback that they do have it's not pretty it's not it's

Speaker 12 it's not aesthetically pleasing he's not gonna go out there and throw for no 400 500 yards that's not the offense

Speaker 12 it doesn't ask for him to do that but when time come when times come and you put him in situations where he has to beat you with his arm we've seen him do it.

Speaker 12 Hell, a la last year in the Super Bowl, they weren't allowing Saquon to get diddly, diddley squat. What did he do? He used his arm and he won the game.
This year, things don't look like it should.

Speaker 12 They're not able to run the ball. Hell, they're not even throwing the ball well.

Speaker 2 They get in the spurs.

Speaker 12 But what are they doing? They're being carried by the defense. That's why I think at some point, the roles are going to reverse.

Speaker 12 This is going to be a game, just like you said, with a defense, they're going to get had.

Speaker 12 They're going to be a a team that's gonna be able to take advantage of them and the funny thing about it you think about the teams that have the opportunity or have a chance to put up multiple points and and and have a offensive scoring high volume output you think about the chiefs they beat the chiefs here you think about the lions tonight they scoring 27 28 almost 30 a game not yet it's gonna be a team you least expected It's gonna be a team you least expected, and they're gonna have their goddamn way.

Speaker 12 And it's gonna come time where Jalen Hurt is gonna have to step up and either going to beat you with your arm or Saquon going to do what he does on the ground like he did last year that he hasn't been able to do yet this year.

Speaker 2 This offense is built to play with a lead

Speaker 2 because of the way they play is running and pass. A lot of teams pass the run.

Speaker 2 So, OJo, you're afraid of us throwing the football. So now you play coverage, we can run into a lot of box.

Speaker 2 So the way the Eagles are built, they're built to run and then we're going to pass.

Speaker 2 We're not going to to let you dictate when we pass

Speaker 2 but they normally pass and it's third and short what gets the eagles in trouble is when it's third and long and they're having to pass the football see when it's third and short oh cho you you don't know i can run it with saquon or i can use hurts legs or i can do something quick screen to uh uh uh uh jalen uh

Speaker 2 create screen to uh devante quick something quick pop to goddart they get into trouble when you start this start third and 10 third and 12. That's when they get into trouble.

Speaker 2 And so they do a great job of knowing that's where we're vulnerable at, staying out of situations like that. But give them credit.
They won tonight, played the elements better.

Speaker 2 That's what you have to do when you're at home, OJO. Hey, we're in our environment.
We're the Eagles. We play and we practice outside.

Speaker 12 Hey, and one problem I do have about watching the game tonight, the fact that I can still, I don't play for the Eagles.

Speaker 12 I don't play for the Eagles, but I watch a lot of football and I watch the Eagles all season long. Hell, I watch every goddamn team.
But the fact that I can tell you, based on A.J.

Speaker 12 Brown's alignment, I can tell you exactly what route he's running, that's not good.

Speaker 12 That's not good because if I know it and I'm not watching film, I'm just watching the games each and every Sunday, what do you think those that are playing across from him are doing?

Speaker 12 He had 11, I think he had maybe 11 targets or something like that, but it's the same stuff.

Speaker 12 over and over and over, Uncle If he lines up two yards outside the number, if he's by himself, he's running the hitch.

Speaker 12 If he's he's at the top,

Speaker 12 or the slam. If it's two by two and Sweeney's on the side with him or the Titans on the side with him, he's off the ball, he's running the slam.

Speaker 12 It's like the same thing. If he's inside, he's running the quick out.
I mean,

Speaker 12 it's just or the stick, right? It's just the same.

Speaker 12 There's really no creativity. And then putting him in.

Speaker 2 And they like to put him on the left-hand side, Ocho. They like to throw him the gold ball on the right-hand side.

Speaker 2 If you notice that, Ocho, a lot of his gold balls are on the left-hand side.

Speaker 12 I mean, so

Speaker 12 I understand his frustrations. Not only is he not putting up the numbers he'd like to, but

Speaker 12 you know what's actually coming based on his alignment and where he is. Route recognition, formation recognition, and the tendencies, the tendencies are the same.

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Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe. The Ravens beat the

Speaker 2 Browns by the score of 2316.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 what overshadowed that was Shadur Sanders getting his first taste of NFL

Speaker 2 action. Dylan Gabriel got concussed in the third quarter and went out of the ball game

Speaker 2 and did not return. Shadour came in.
Shadur's stats was 4 of 16, 47 yards, zero touchdown, and interception.

Speaker 2 He had a couple of opportunities late in the ball game. He had a couple drops.
He had a couple of drops.

Speaker 2 Look, and

Speaker 2 listening to,

Speaker 2 I found it on social media. For Kevin Stafanski to say the first time that Shadura Sanders had taken a snap with the starters, with the ones, was in this game is malpractice.

Speaker 2 At no point in time, and this is what I said, Ocho. So at no point in time, so you don't think Dylan Gabriel could possibly get hurt.
He can't possibly bang a knee, bring a shoulder, get concussion.

Speaker 2 There's no possible way anything could possibly go wrong that you want to get Shadura like one reps with the ones, two reps with the ones. I ain't saying split it 50-50.
I understand that.

Speaker 2 But even when John was taking the majority of the reps, John, if we did 10 reps in a period, the backup would take two.

Speaker 2 Just in case.

Speaker 2 So for Shadura Sanders, the hair we are in week 11, the man got drafted in May. And at no point in time had he taken one snap with the ones is very, very disappointing.

Speaker 12 You know, hold on, hold on, hold on hold on look not not only is it disappointing right and a lot of people say hey listen yo you and unc we were you were screaming for shador to start you want him to get in there and look at look at his stat line look at look at what he did well obviously i i'm i'm i'm i'm confused and i'm i'm trying to understand uh this this ain't maddening you don't you don't just you don't just take out one quarterback and put another quarterback in and expect success to happen especially when you haven't had any reps with the ones when it comes to the play calling when it comes to the play calling what play calls are you going to be able to call for a quarterback that hasn't had any reps with the ones you don't know what he does well what he doesn't done what he you don't know what he does well you don't know what he what what he what he's not going to be good at because there's there there's there's no chemistry there's no chemistry so you're just out there calling plays all willy-nilly not knowing how the offense can run and i mean i know as a quarterback you're supposed to be you're supposed to be prepared you're supposed to know you know if the opportunity presents itself you got to be able to go in there and do what you can do

Speaker 12 but like come on no no reps at all let me ask you a question no reps huh

Speaker 2 no but let me ask you this

Speaker 2 normally on saturday

Speaker 2 dilly or sunday morning dylan gabriel will tell stefansky these

Speaker 2 that i really like every quarterback does that every quarterback does that huh every quarterback does that So do you think he had any idea of the plays that Shadur likes? No.

Speaker 2 Or he's just going to call plays just, oh, here's my play sheet that I'm calling. Because you build your play, you build your play sheet around the quarterback and what he likes,

Speaker 2 what he's good at, what you know he's good at. You don't even know what Shadur is good at.

Speaker 2 Now, it's going to be very interesting. Look at this play.
Now,

Speaker 2 you got three guys blocking one guy, and somebody about to come in and hit Shadur dead in his right.

Speaker 2 Now, what should have happened was a redirect. You slide the line to the left.

Speaker 2 And now, guess what? You got the guard or the center to hit that guy that's looping around, and now you're protected. But hey,

Speaker 2 the O-line is going to have to make calls until Shadur gets, get,

Speaker 2 get

Speaker 2 in the catch-up thing. He's not there right now to say, no, no, no, no, no.
I want you to go here. Hey, redirect, redirect.
Let's liz this. Let's liz this.
Let's loosey this.

Speaker 2 Now we're going to slide the line to the left. Now we're going to take, hey, you only got one guy rushing on the right.
Why the hell we got three guys?

Speaker 2 And now we got a guy finna come in here and try to put his helmet up under Shadur's Shadur's chin.

Speaker 2 So, it's going to be very interesting this week. Uh,

Speaker 2 I'm sure Gabriel is going to be in protocol. We'll see if he, if Shadur is going to get the start

Speaker 2 against, I think they play the Raiders, Rocho. I think they play the Raiders.
We'll see if he gets the start against the Raiders, and he'll get an opportunity to take all the reps, all the ones, and

Speaker 2 Stefansky will have an idea what he likes and will call plays accordingly.

Speaker 12 And honestly, it's very important too uh for for stefansky to understand and know what his quarterback likes to do because it allows you to call plays and and put them in advantageous situations for you

Speaker 12 it just it just makes your job easier it just makes your job easier as a head coach and for a quarterback to know what he likes so the offense is is able to run smooth I mean, it's really easy.

Speaker 12 It's not about Dylan Gabriel. It's not about Shador Sanders.
It's about putting our players in positions for them to succeed and give us our best chances to win.

Speaker 2 That's all. I'll give you a prime example, Ojo.
When I wasn't the starter, my first couple years, they would put me in the game. But when I came in the game, guess what? I know we're going to run.

Speaker 2 Because it's like, okay, when you come in the game, this is what we're running. This is going to be your opportunity to make a play.

Speaker 2 They got a small cornerback. We're going to throw a fade.
I don't care what the coverage is.

Speaker 2 We're expecting you to go up on top of it. Okay, in this situation, we're going to bump this coverage.
If they bump with it, that means it's man coverage.

Speaker 2 You're going to be one-on-one inside level, linebacker, inside leverage. So we're going to call a play where you're breaking away.
So I knew.

Speaker 2 Now, if I'm just like all of a sudden going the game and they're not calling plays for me, I just got, I just, with now,

Speaker 2 quarterbacks, always, you go listen to Brady, you go listen to Manny, go listen to Breathe and any of the Big Ben, any of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 They say, me and the offensive coordinator we went over that the saturday night or or day day of the game this is what i really like normally it's saturday night and you come and say okay so what do you like so brady and and manny would say i got these well manny called his own thing so let's let's do brady breeze and all these other guys it's like this is what i like this is what i like in this 31 to 3 33 to 5 35 to 7.

Speaker 2 This is what I really, really like. Now, this is what I like in this area of the field.
This is what I like in the red zone.

Speaker 2 This is what I like out of this personnel because I feel out of this personnel, we're more likely to get this coverage, which gives us a benefit or that gives us an advantage.

Speaker 2 So all that's going through the mind. But for a quarterback, Ocho,

Speaker 2 not to get no reps, I'm talking about none. He said it.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 2 See, and I was like, I mean, listen to Mary Kay Cabinet and listen to people that there, they're saying Shadur is not getting any reps. As a matter of fact, Bailey, it'll be very interesting.

Speaker 2 Somebody should have have asked him, well, let me ask you this, Coach Strafansky, did Bailey Zappi get any reps with the ones?

Speaker 2 Because it makes no sense. If Bailey Zappi is getting reps with the ones, and then why would you put Shadur in that situation? Why not have Bailey Zappi as two?

Speaker 12 Yeah, and it's funny. And you know what?

Speaker 12 To piggyback off what you said about quarterbacks, you know, having those conversations with coaches before games start on plays that they're comfortable with and some of the things that they want to do.

Speaker 12 For one, especially early in the game to get them in the rhythm. And you mentioned Brady.
And hell, I was there for that. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Speaker 12 I've seen it the night before in the hotel on Saturdays

Speaker 12 when the meeting ends. Bill O'Brien, the receiver, and the Tom Brady sit there, they go over the plays that he likes.
And Bill O'Brien will run off plays. He'll call out plays.

Speaker 12 And Brady, you know what? I don't like that one. You know what? Let's save that one

Speaker 12 for later on the game in a certain situation when we may need it. And he had those first 15 plays that he really, really likes and he's comfortable with.
And that's what they would go with.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that's how it should be. Because at the end of the day, you got to run what the quarterback feels comfortable with.
You got to set your ego aside. Sometimes

Speaker 2 we want to bring our ego to the party, but it's not your party. So you don't get to dress how you want to.
We said this is an 80 things party.

Speaker 2 Don't you bring your ass in here without a wig, without an afro, and some platform shoes on those choice and bellballs. You know what I'm saying? This is not your party.
So

Speaker 2 you call plays accordingly. Because if the quarterback is telling you what he likes in certain situations, he's going to feel the most comfortable when you call that.

Speaker 2 He's going to be the most assured of himself and the offense if you call that. I'm glad, like I said, hopefully

Speaker 2 Dylan Gabriel is okay. First of all, let's start with that because

Speaker 2 I'm not big and hoping somebody gets hurt and somebody else gets an opportunity. Sometimes that happens.
Sometimes players go down and then other players get their opportunity.

Speaker 2 That's how Brady got his opportunity. Someone went down and he made the most of it.
I got my opportunity. Someone went down and I made the most of it.

Speaker 2 But, you know, somebody in order to seem like in order for Shadur to get in, Dylan Gabriel had to get deaned. Hopefully, he's okay.
Maybe he comes back.

Speaker 2 Maybe he comes back this week and we're back to square one, Ocho. Dylan Gabriel's in there taking all the ones and we're moving forward.
We don't know.

Speaker 2 We'll see how this thing plays out if he's still in protocol. But I think now that

Speaker 2 you're in a situation

Speaker 2 where there's there's a great chance, I believe there's a greater than 50% chance that you're going to start.

Speaker 2 Because I don't care what anybody says.

Speaker 2 You prepare differently as a starter than you do as a backup.

Speaker 12 Not only do you prepare differently from the starter to the backup, but the play calling changes significantly. The play calling completely changes.

Speaker 12 Completely different game plan depending on who you have a quarterback based on their skill sets and what they're able to do.

Speaker 2 I totally agree. But,

Speaker 2 you know, things are a lot faster now in the NFL than they are in college. Guys move faster.

Speaker 2 You got to throw guys open. I like that guy.
He threw the fanning, the tight end, 44 on the crosser on the dagger route. I thought he'd throw that with timing.

Speaker 2 He hit Jew with one, and Jew made a great move.

Speaker 2 He had another one. A couple of guys dropped one.
84 had one in his hand, but give a woozy credit. He's a good player.
A great play.

Speaker 12 Great play by a woozy.

Speaker 2 That was a great play. Great play.
That was a great play.

Speaker 2 But when you have a young player in there, having been in situations where you're the veteran guy and you have a young guy in, you have to make plays for him. You understand that he's nervous.

Speaker 2 I don't care what anybody says. He's nervous.
I've been here before. I've been doing this all my life.
You ain't been doing it on this level all your life.

Speaker 2 You ain't did it like this with those guys all your life.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 hopefully he gets an opportunity, another opportunity. He'll be better prepared

Speaker 2 than he was

Speaker 2 and we'll get a different result. Also, in this game,

Speaker 2 Miles Gay.

Speaker 12 Hey, man.

Speaker 12 Hey.

Speaker 12 Hey, he's the real deal, huh?

Speaker 2 He's the real deal.

Speaker 2 He got seven games to go, so he needs eight sacks to break the record.

Speaker 12 He might very well get that.

Speaker 2 He might be.

Speaker 2 Hey no, they got the Ravens again.

Speaker 2 He might.

Speaker 2 They got the Ravens. Hold on.
I bet they got Pittsburgh. They got y'all again.

Speaker 12 He definitely might because he had three today, right? Did he have three or four?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They got at the Raiders. They get the 49ers, Titans at home.
They're at the Bears. They get the Bills at home.
They get the Steelers at home. They get the Bengals on home.

Speaker 12 Now, the best matchup out of everybody you said will probably be a matchup to watch will be Miles Garrett and Deion Dawkins.

Speaker 12 Miles Garrett and Deion Dawkins. And everybody else on there, and there's no disrespect to them, but you got your hands full.

Speaker 2 Oh, everybody got their hands full.

Speaker 12 You got your hands full. And I obviously...

Speaker 2 What's called Big Trent got his hands full?

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. Oh, shoot.
That's true.

Speaker 2 Big Trent got his hands full.

Speaker 2 Everybody got their hands full. Colton Miller, everybody.
Because he kicking everybody ass.

Speaker 2 He's on one of those. He's

Speaker 2 on one of those tears right now. It doesn't matter who's in front of him.
He don't even see you.

Speaker 2 He doesn't even see you. I'm being honest.
Having been around, having played against great pass rushers, the Reggie Whites, the Bruce Smith, the Derrick Thomas, I played against Leslie O'Neill.

Speaker 2 Go look him up. If you don't know, the Greg Townsend, all those guys, the Michael Spray hands, when they get into a rhythm,

Speaker 2 it ain't nothing you can do.

Speaker 2 Nothing you can do. It's just like a guy shooting a basket like Jordan.
They say Jordan getting a zone or Steph getting in the zone. Does it matter if you put your hand?

Speaker 2 You know, they put the hand in his face like a KZ. He ain't even looking at you.
He's looking at the rim.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he's throwing a pebble in the ocean. That's how big it looks to him.
There's a chance, Ocho. It happened.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's happened since 92 when Cortez Kennedy won the defensive player of the year on a losing team. I think they were 2-14.

Speaker 2 And Tez won the defensive player of the year. That might happen.
Because right now, Miles Garrett's the best defensive player of the year.

Speaker 12 He's easily.

Speaker 12 Without question.

Speaker 2 I mean, he is so, man, he is so for a man his size

Speaker 2 to move like he does, the way he can bend, the way he can change the

Speaker 2 direction, the way he can pose with one arm, the way he can, hey, he's faking. I mean, he lining up and he, ah, ah, he in and out.
He's wax on, wax off. He ripping.
He bending the edge. He can up you.

Speaker 12 He got a night A.

Speaker 2 He has,

Speaker 2 when it comes to rushing the quarterback, he has no weakness because he can turn power.

Speaker 2 He can turn power to speed speed to power he just he can snatch pull you he's just he's just amazing he's he's he's and i just hate i just hate

Speaker 12 that he ain't gonna win not even listen he might not win as a team collectively but he's gonna win individually he's gonna win individually

Speaker 12 every time and sometimes in a in a winning effort defensively sometimes in a losing effort but what you get from miles garrett is you get consistency you get consistency from him, and he's going to be an impact.

Speaker 12 Sometimes that impact results in wins. Sometimes it doesn't.
But

Speaker 12 he's a force to be reckoned with week in and week out.

Speaker 2 And the thing is, OJo, but when we talk about great defenders, when it comes to D-linemen, what did all of them do?

Speaker 2 Win, yeah. What did Reggie do?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What did Strahan do? What did LT do?

Speaker 2 What did Aaron Donald do?

Speaker 2 JJ Watt,

Speaker 2 you've got to wait.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying you got to win a championship.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying you got to win that.

Speaker 12 It's unfair.

Speaker 2 You going three and 14, you go in five and 12.

Speaker 12 But it's unfair. It's unfair.
You have to think about the situation

Speaker 12 those players were in. You better think about the team that they were on collectively, you know, as a group.
So they won because of the team that they were a part of.

Speaker 12 There was an effort on both sides of the ball, you know, especially for Aaron Donald. Michael Strahan, look at the defense back then.

Speaker 12 Look at the offense with Eli Manning, some of the things they were doing, you know, during that time. Hell, Reggie White.

Speaker 2 But you got to realize,

Speaker 2 Ojo.

Speaker 12 With Reggie White,

Speaker 12 man.

Speaker 2 You got to think about what

Speaker 2 the Giants were before they got. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got to realize before they got Carrie Collins and ended up going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 they weren't going to no playoffs in the 90s. They weren't like that.

Speaker 12 Hey, all it takes is a quarterback.

Speaker 2 Stray was doing that. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 12 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 and, and guess what? Reggie got tired of losing. Reggie said, I'm going to Green Bay.
Yeah, the money.

Speaker 2 They had money, but they had more money

Speaker 2 at other places. I want to win.

Speaker 2 Time. Say, babe, Atlanta, y'all trying to get me used to losing.
I want to win. Got it.
So at what point in time does Miles Garrett say, man, here I am. I'm getting 23, 24 sacks.
And

Speaker 2 I ain't even sniffing the playoffs. I'm not even close to the playoffs.
That my season is already over. Think about it, Ocho.

Speaker 2 We ate 10 games into the season, and the Clevelands already know they're limited from.

Speaker 12 I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 You six games, six weeks into the season, Ocho. We got, ocho, we got 11, 12 weeks to go.
All right. Hey, man,

Speaker 2 let me see what I'm going to do.

Speaker 12 And the funny thing about it is there were teams that tried to get him before the trade deadline.

Speaker 12 There were teams that tried to get him, man. And listen, I don't know the details.
I'm not an insider. I don't have the sources, but

Speaker 12 the Browns weren't going to do that.

Speaker 12 I don't think there's anything a team could offer them where they would have done it because I think a team that really needs...

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, not now. No, I don't think, I be personally, I don't think he wanted to leave because

Speaker 2 he's on a great pace right now. I think that's something they might revisit in the, Because

Speaker 2 I'm going to make you tell me like Betelgeuse, Beetlejuice. You're going to have to tell me no.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 You got to tell me, no, Ocho. You got to tell me no.
I ain't going to lie to you. You got to tell me no.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 he's a hell of a, hell of a player. The real deal.
And

Speaker 2 he got an opportunity. He's going to go down as one of the all-time great.

Speaker 2 But I want to see him. I want to see him on the all-time.
I want to see him on a big stage. I want to see him in an AFC or NFC championship game.
I want to see him in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 I want everybody to see Miles Garrett.

Speaker 2 I want them to see just how special he is.

Speaker 12 And not have to see it watching highlights. Because

Speaker 2 you got to think about it, huh?

Speaker 12 You know, as great as he is, I mean, how many people are tuning in to see the Cleveland Browns play outside of Browns fans?

Speaker 12 Unless it's the team that they're playing, unless the team that they're playing that week is playing the Browns.

Speaker 12 That's about the only time.

Speaker 2 Yep. Going back to Shadur, Wyatt Taylor said after the game, this is what he said.
Wyatt Teller said on Shadur, I think I've heard his cadence like two or three times.

Speaker 2 I think going out at halftime, we all got on the line. He said his cadence and we kind of okay, got through it.
Again, a lot of learning,

Speaker 2 but he played his heart out. We just fell short.
Gabriel got practice snaps as a backup with Flacco at QB1.

Speaker 2 Stefanski wasn't even getting Shadur his backup at least minimal reps during the course of the week. I get Flacco to a certain extent, Ocho, because Flacco is a veteran.

Speaker 2 Gabriel isn't a veteran, and you want to try to get him as many reps as you possibly can. But at some point in time, I'm not saying you split it 50-50.
I'm not even saying you split it 60-40. But

Speaker 2 you can't find a way to get that man two reps in a period of period, Ocho. So the offensive line.

Speaker 2 The running backs and everybody can hear his cadence and understand that because that's very important. Some people have a slow cadence.

Speaker 2 some people have a fast cadence, you got, and you need to be able to hear it. So

Speaker 2 I was surprised

Speaker 2 that Stefanski said that, man, since the man got drafted, you know, they had to draft him. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 I know how long ago it was.

Speaker 2 And today is, the day is Sunday. Is the day the 16th?

Speaker 2 November 16th.

Speaker 2 June, July, August, September, October, November. So

Speaker 2 the first time that man got first team reps was today in a national game against the debates.

Speaker 12 But you have to understand that that wasn't their call.

Speaker 12 That is not the player that they wanted.

Speaker 12 They had their mind made up. They had their mind set on who they wanted to be, you know, quarterback number one.
Obviously, it was Joe Flacco.

Speaker 12 When things didn't work out with Joe Flacco, they were going to Dylan Gabriel as their, as their, as their quarterback.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 12 They just didn't see Shador Sanders in their plans. You know, now that that's their business.
That's the way they felt.

Speaker 12 Now things have come to a head where Dylan Gabriel went out with a concussion, hoping, I'm hoping he's okay and he can get back to the regularly scheduled program for the Browns, being that he is the one that they wanted to be their starter.

Speaker 12 So I'm hoping he's okay and he's able to come back once he clears concussion protocol. But now,

Speaker 12 if

Speaker 12 Dylan Gabriel is out, now Shador has a whole week.

Speaker 12 He has a whole week to get all those things down, to get that rhythm, to get that timing, get that chemistry with the receivers, with the linemen, so they can hear that cadence and

Speaker 12 understand

Speaker 12 the sound and and how he's gonna call those plays in the huddle and obviously at the line of scrimmage

Speaker 2 let's take a listen to what shadour had to say after the game ocho

Speaker 29 but it's different when it's different body types going out there different way how people get out of routes like what i seen on uh the the the pick initially was i see his hips turn so i'm like okay we're gonna be able to to get out there.

Speaker 29 But at the same time,

Speaker 29 playing quarterback is extremely hard, so it's like I like knowing every detail about my receivers, I like knowing the small things with the good at, what they're not good at. Um,

Speaker 29 it's like so many details that that that um

Speaker 29 that helps me play confident with those guys, and I know you know, we at the bottom right now. Um, this performance, everything it will never be like this,

Speaker 29 but um

Speaker 29 you know, I'm dedicated to

Speaker 29 being able to get those opportunities with those guys to

Speaker 29 have a relationship, you know.

Speaker 29 I got a relationship with all the hungry dogs, though.

Speaker 29 We let clockwork out there, but

Speaker 29 you just got to see. You just got to see everything a little bit more, you know? Like them come out routes, them do all different type of stuff.
So.

Speaker 2 You want to go to the next sound? Before we respond to this, let's take a listen to what Miles Garrett had to say about Shador after the game.

Speaker 30 Don't be discouraged from one drive or two drives. It's a good football team over there.
So

Speaker 30 just trying to

Speaker 30 keep his confidence high and

Speaker 30 keep on chasing that standard which he set. And we're going to continue to support him.
He spoke after the game and

Speaker 30 he wanted to pin it on himself and his performance, but we're not going to allow him to do that.

Speaker 30 It's a team game. So we're all on this together.

Speaker 12 I said he addressed the entire team in the locker room as hell.

Speaker 12 Hey, you know what, too, Unc, as a receiver, and Uncle,

Speaker 12 you're going to test this

Speaker 12 with great understanding.

Speaker 12 And those of you in the chat that are listening, I don't think they understand how important it is to have a cadence with your receivers, to understand and to work with them throughout the week.

Speaker 12 So to understand their movements,

Speaker 12 their tendencies and when they're going to break, when they're going to get out, and being able to throw the ball.

Speaker 12 I think people think you just, you get out there and you just throw the ball to your receivers, and it's just that easy. It's just that easy.

Speaker 12 But there's a timing and cadence to it and rhythm to it that that's why you always hear players talk about throwing with your quarterback in the offseason and throwing with him in practice and

Speaker 12 getting those reps so everything flows smooth in the middle of a game when everything is sped up times 10.

Speaker 12 And you can tell and you know when a player is about to break based on his mannerism, based on his body language. And I think people watching the game of football thinking just so easy.

Speaker 12 You know, know, you get the ball and you just throw it, and the guy has to get open. But that's not the way it works when you have other players.

Speaker 2 Everything is easy that you can't do.

Speaker 12 I know what you mean. I know what you, yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 Those that can do, those that can't talk about others that can do.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 you're right. You're right.

Speaker 2 Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You played with Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 Do you think Tom Brady would allow some receiver that he didn't throw to during the course of the week to be out there on the field with him on Sunday? Because he wouldn't trust you.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 Neither would Peyton Manning. Neither would John Elway.

Speaker 2 Because if there's a chance that you're going to get your ass in the game, you best believe John Elway is going to see you run a dig, an end cut, an overroute, a slant, a comeback, a stop, a smoke, a shake.

Speaker 2 He's going to see you do it in practice. And guess what? When it comes time to one-on-one, guess what? He's going to say, hey, no, don't worry, AT, let him get up there.
I want to see what he can do.

Speaker 2 I've been with you for seven years. I've been with you.
I know what you can do.

Speaker 2 But he's going to want to see what those guys can do because if I got to go out there and battle with you on Sunday, I need to know I can trust you. I need to see some mannerisms.

Speaker 2 Hey, you tell him, bro, let me know when you're going to break out, bro. I got to know when you're going to break out.
You just can't do that. Make sure you get your depth.

Speaker 2 Hey, I can't. Listen, this is 707.
I can't be,

Speaker 2 pardon the language, chat. I can't be back here jacking his ball off, which means he can't be.

Speaker 12 be angry. All that patting, you get your head knocked off.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 2 You get your head knocked off. No, he can't do that.
And you hear me saying, guys, what y'all think this is? 707?

Speaker 2 No, that ball's got to come out. One, two, three, balls out.
One, two, three, four, five, balls out.

Speaker 2 So to ask your door to get in a game in which he has not taken any snap from the center, he hasn't thrown the Judy. He hadn't thrown the Hannon.

Speaker 2 He hadn't thrown to any of those guys and expect him to work a miracle. We're not making excuses.

Speaker 2 But look, as time progresses he getting more and more time we'll be able to fairly grade him on his performance but i think it's unfair to give him a grade if i were to give him a grade i would say incomplete

Speaker 2 incomplete

Speaker 12 hey listen hey hold on we ask him to take a test we ask without without studying

Speaker 12 without without studying i mean it that that's unfair if you listen if you're gonna give me an assignment right at least give me the curriculum give me the curriculum that I can properly study so I can pass the goddamn test.

Speaker 12 That's all.

Speaker 12 Make it, make it fair. Make it fair for me.
Just don't throw me. Hey, don't throw me out.

Speaker 2 They don't throw me out there blind.

Speaker 2 I give you chat. I don't know how many of you guys went to college.
I don't know how many of you, I'm sure a lot of you guys went to high school.

Speaker 2 Imagine showing up your first day of class and the teacher gave you a test.

Speaker 12 And you don't know what the hell it's on.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no. You know the class.
The class,

Speaker 2 you in the history class. You in a science class, you in a chemistry class, and the first day you show up and you go,

Speaker 2 whoa, whoa, what did you that?

Speaker 2 Damn,

Speaker 2 hell, you didn't even give me the syllabus. You didn't even tell me

Speaker 2 what we're going to be going over this quarter, this semester.

Speaker 12 Hold on, I'm finna act like we're in church now.

Speaker 2 Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's tough, chat.

Speaker 2 And look, y'all know me. I'm not big on excuses.
You either get it done or you don't.

Speaker 2 But having played this game, having been a guy that's been in the situation that Shadore, that didn't get a whole lot of reps, but, and when you don't get a whole lot of reps, it's hard to have confidence going into a game.

Speaker 2 I can just imagine playing the quarterback position and having to go in a game when you're taking no reps. I've never thrown to Jerry Judy.
The only thing I've thrown to Jerry Judy is pat and go

Speaker 2 and warming up. I've never thrown to these guys.
The center has never snapped me the ball. Because normally when I'm throwing pat and go, Ocho, they're throwing the ball underhand.

Speaker 2 The ball boy throwing me the ball underhanded. A center ain't doing that.
The centers are down there. The linemen are down there working on some other stuff.

Speaker 2 So until we come as a team to stretch, then

Speaker 2 they go do, you know, we break up and they go do their thing until we come together and do 907 or whatever we're going to do.

Speaker 2 Or they got the individual periods and then we have our individual periods and then we come together. But I just think the thing is that he just needs some time.
He needs to work with that offense.

Speaker 2 They need to get his used to his cadence. Stefanski needs to call plays according to what his skill set and what he likes, what he feels comfortable in.

Speaker 2 I definitely think we'll see a better Shadur next week.

Speaker 2 If he starts, I guarantee you, we'll see a better Shadur

Speaker 12 than what we saw. It's all about preparation, huh? It's all about preparation.
It is. You know, it's one thing when opportunity presents itself.
If you're prepared,

Speaker 12 it looks different. You're a lot more confident.
But if you don't know what to prepare for, or don't have the tools at your disposal to be able to prepare for, say, a test, this is what you get.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe, you ain't winning war without the proper weapons.

Speaker 2 So, cannons and musket, nah, that ain't how they're doing it now.

Speaker 2 They're doing it with drones.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 hey,

Speaker 2 they

Speaker 2 dropping

Speaker 2 bunker busters from B-52s.

Speaker 2 A bunker buster? It's a whole.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they got those bombs now, Ocho. You dropped it because people, you know, they done dug in the side of the cave.
They drop them and they

Speaker 12 mess up the whole bunker, huh?

Speaker 2 And then explode.

Speaker 12 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 So, oh Joe,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. What happened?

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 Tommy, do me a favor. Do me a favor.
Let's say that. Let's say that for Lad.
Let's say that for Laz.

Speaker 2 No, no, we can't say that for Laz, Ocho. We got to go there.
We got to go now because we got some good stuff. We still got a lot of stuff to go.

Speaker 2 The Pittsburgh Steelers stayed atop the AFC North thanks to a 34-12 victory. Although Aaron Rodgers left the game, what many believed to be

Speaker 2 a break in his wrist.

Speaker 2 Mason Rudolph came in, finished 12 of 16, 127 of the touchdown. He relieved Aaron Rodgers, who was 9 of 15, 116 and a touchdown.

Speaker 2 They won 34 to 12, but that was not the story of the game. Something happened late in the ball game.

Speaker 2 Jalen Ramsey was ejected for punching

Speaker 2 Jamar Chase in the face. They asked Chase, excuse me, they asked Jalen Ramsey what happened.
We have those socks. We got those socks.
Huh? We got those socks. Okay, we got both.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's take a listen to

Speaker 2 Ramsey said after the game.

Speaker 2 He's spelling, so it's up. I don't give a fuck about football after that.

Speaker 2 Respectfully.

Speaker 2 Okay, here's what Chase said.

Speaker 2 Walker still, what happened with Jill?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 21 exchanging words.

Speaker 31 You were saying that you spit on him.

Speaker 26 Did you spit on him?

Speaker 2 I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy.

Speaker 31 What do you think prompted the reaction from him?

Speaker 2 Well, he don't like some of the stories I told him. We've been going back and forth the whole time, so I'm sure

Speaker 2 something got under his camera.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Ocho, all good.

Speaker 2 Here,

Speaker 2 we got Austin Brisket.

Speaker 2 Brisky. Brisky.
Austin Brisky, Fox 19. He got it all on tape.
Let's take a look at this, Ocho.

Speaker 2 That's your guy. I've met him a few times.
I like Chase. He's the best receiver in football.
But he spit on Jalen Ramsey. And you know, and everybody knows I've been abundantly clear where I am.

Speaker 2 The most disrespectful thing you can do. Yeah, we know the N-word.
We know

Speaker 2 the connotations and what it summons up.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 my grandfather used to always say, she said, boy, you don't spit on. If you're telling me I'm the ground, that is the lowest thing you can do.
Oh, Joe, he spit on that man. And he lied.

Speaker 2 And Jalen Ramsey said, Jalen Ramsey said he spit on me. So it's up after that.
F football after that point.

Speaker 2 Take it away.

Speaker 12 I mean, Uno, y'all know how I feel about

Speaker 12 Uno. You know how I feel about Jamar.

Speaker 12 And you know, I'm really critical of players. Very rarely.
It takes a lot for me to be critical of someone, but this is one of those situations where

Speaker 12 I got to let Chase know, boy, you're dead wrong, boy. As much as I love you, you can't do that.
You can't do that. You can be angry.
You can be mad.

Speaker 12 You can say what you want to say to a player on the field.

Speaker 12 But you can't spit on nobody, bro. Young boy, you can't spit on nobody.
Obviously, you know, cooler heads will prevail. But in those situations like that, when you're angry, I know you're frustrated.

Speaker 12 The game might not be going your way. You're not getting the ball the way you want to get the ball.
You know how these division games go.

Speaker 12 Situations like this happen all the time, especially when it's Bengal Steelers. It's just like this.
It's tight. It's tight.
You get angry, you get frustrated, but you can't, you can't.

Speaker 12 You just can't.

Speaker 12 As much as I love you, I'm disappointed, obviously, in your actions.

Speaker 12 I'm going to talk to you. I haven't had the chance today.

Speaker 12 I didn't want to bother you. But if you look back, you think about it,

Speaker 12 you probably won't be in this situation again.

Speaker 12 Knowing the NFL and the way they discipline, they'll probably suspend you for a game. And

Speaker 12 it'll probably never happen again. It'll probably never happen again.
But this is something you just can't do, young bull.

Speaker 12 You can't do this. You can't.

Speaker 2 Just own it.

Speaker 2 Just say, you know, my emotions. Hey, Jalen, I'm sorry.
My emotions got the best of me.

Speaker 2 when emotions are high logic is low ram i'm sorry i let my emotions get the best of me y'all i was wrong i was dead ass wrong for what i did

Speaker 2 it's hard to do something now publicly ocho and nobody sees it because everybody's everywhere huh

Speaker 2 because ocho if they're having a conversation and you know hey sometimes when i get excited i have to come man i'm sorry i ain't mean to spit we've all done that we get excited we start talking and we accidentally accidentally spray them.

Speaker 2 But that wasn't no spray, Ocho. That was not no spray.
That was not a spray. And he did it, and he lied to reporters.
And he said, I ain't open my mouth. You did, Chase.
You're wrong, bro.

Speaker 2 You're wrong. And I know that's not

Speaker 2 what you did.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to define you by that, but you did that.

Speaker 2 I don't believe in Ocho that

Speaker 2 the worst thing that a person person done, that's who he, now, obviously, we got repeat offenders, but there's nothing in his history, there's nothing in his background that would suggest this is who he is.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Now, the NFL,

Speaker 2 they got to sit you down. They've got to sit you down for a game.
That's the least they can do. Jalen Ramsey, you're going to get fine, a little fine, but they're not going to suspend you.

Speaker 2 Because you because your suspension was you got kicked out of the game.

Speaker 2 That was your punishment. And you're going to get fine.
You'll probably get fine,

Speaker 2 I don't know, $12,000, $25,000, something like that. But, Chase, you're going to get suspended.
And I don't know why, Chase. I don't know.
Ocho,

Speaker 2 and I've been mad. Oh, Joe, I know you've been mad at people.
I've been mad at people.

Speaker 2 I could,

Speaker 2 but to spit on somebody, do you know how disrespectful, how degrading that is? As a black man,

Speaker 2 you, Chase, you know the history of

Speaker 2 Louisiana in the South. That's what they used to do to your grandpa, your great-grandpa, your great-grandma.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 2 When they was trying to integrate the schools, come on, Chase. We got to be better than that.
We can't do that to each other. I get it.
Yeah, we get upset. Yeah, we get angry.

Speaker 2 But come on, we got to do better than that when it comes to each other. For us,

Speaker 2 I might disagree with something you said. I might not like what you said.
And like I said, hey.

Speaker 2 But I can't. I cannot do that.
because what happens is, Ocho, if you spit on somebody, whatever that individual does to you after that, I'm good with.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 If you spit on somebody, and that goes for family member or anybody, if you spit on somebody, whatever that person does to you after that,

Speaker 2 Oh, well, you're right. Because, Ocho, the thing is, you get to control your actions.

Speaker 2 You don't get to control the consequences that come from your actions. You're right.
You're right.

Speaker 2 I'm just disappointed because he would have been the last person I would have thought

Speaker 2 that would do something like this. Like I said, I've been around him half a time.
Not like you, Ocho. I don't know like you.

Speaker 2 But he was all, you know, guys normally when they see me, they respect me, hey, uh, what's going on? How you doing? Blah, blah, blah. But man, damn.

Speaker 2 I mean, and then, and I want, and I want, and I wanted to believe, because, like i said i've been around ram a little bit but and he's not like i said now the little bit of time i've been around him and what i've seen him you know we dmed a couple times he don't strive

Speaker 12 honestly you got to think you got to think these boys especially when it comes to jalen when it when it comes to uno you know i'm around these fellas consistently all the time you know whether whether it's working out whether it's hanging out whether it's eating i hang out i hang out with jalen when he's down when he was down here in miami and obviously you know my my my relationship with chase you know since he got drafted now that's something even

Speaker 12 more close. And none of these individuals are like that.
But emotions get the best of us sometimes.

Speaker 12 Sometimes we make mistakes. And I've been in situations where emotions have got the best of me.
And I've done things that are totally

Speaker 12 out of my character. It's totally uncharacteristic.
of who I am and what I represent and everything that I stand for. And I think this is one of those situations for Chase.

Speaker 12 This is something that happened where obviously logic was low because emotions were high i was upset i'm frustrated the game's not going well then they got them trash talking to me we going back and forth and it just it got the best of them and i'm i'm really not the one that's always that that is in in positions to be the voice of reason but i'm probably one of the few people outside of family members that uno will listen to He will listen to and

Speaker 12 actually listen and take heed to what I'm saying because I've been in situations where

Speaker 12 we're not to this magnitude, we're not thinking, we're not thinking straight. You know, it can cost you.
You know, now this is going to cost them.

Speaker 12 It's not going to cost them, you know, as much as it did for me for being in a situation where my logic was low as hell.

Speaker 12 I mean, it was super low and it cost me a lot. Now, this is just on a small scale, still in a very disrespectful manner.

Speaker 2 But that's why you're the perfect person to speak on this, because you've been in a similar situation where emotion was high and logic was low.

Speaker 2 And sometimes when a situation like that, we let our emotion get the best of us. And that's not who we are.
But in that moment, just for a second, you threw caution to the wind. We've all been there.

Speaker 2 And my thing is, Chase, you didn't have to lie.

Speaker 2 Everybody's going to look at you a certain way. But you'd say, you know what? All you had to do is say, Ram, I'm sorry.
You should have went, hey, you should have made peace with that man.

Speaker 2 Hey, y'all get me Ram's number. I'm going to call him.
I want to call him and tell him as a man. I say, bro, I'm going to tell the world that I did.
I was wrong. I was dead ass.

Speaker 2 But I wanted to tell you first, man to man, Ram, I'm sorry, bro. That ain't me, bro.
You know me. That ain't me.

Speaker 2 We're both competitors. You're fighting your ass off of your team.
I'm fighting my ass off for my team. And my emotions got the best of me.
Ram, I'm sorry, bro.

Speaker 2 Man, I really hope you forgive me because

Speaker 2 I don't want your family to look at me in that light.

Speaker 2 And I don't want my family to look at me in that light to know that I did something something like that because i know my family would be very disappointing in me so i'm coming to you as a man but i'm gonna tell the world

Speaker 2 i did what i did i did and i won't apologize to you as a man out of out of five i'd have got him in the tunnel i'd have went to the tunnel i said bro hey i'm i'm gonna go i'm gonna go look i'm gonna do my press conference but i'm gonna find ram and say i'm sorry

Speaker 2 i would have and i think he will

Speaker 2 and hey that's between him and ram i don't have to know about it everybody talk about well he did it. Nah,

Speaker 2 good. Just apologize to the man, and we're going to keep on moving.
But just know, man, Ocho, it ain't like when you and I first got in the league, they got a couple of cameras.

Speaker 2 Bro, they catching everything.

Speaker 2 They catch everything. And that's why you see guys cover their mouth when they talk to one another, Ocho, because guess what? People try to read lips.

Speaker 2 Y'all tried to read exactly what Ocho and I talking about. Man, it seems like he said, remember when Jalen Brown was on the sideline and he and his girl and they was talking about Brody?

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 12 on the side. Yeah, I remember that, yeah.
They did read his lips, that's right, that's right, I remember that, I remember that, exactly, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 And uh, but

Speaker 12 we're gonna get this situation rectified, though. We're gonna get it rectified.

Speaker 2 I know, I know, I look, but let me ask you a question, OJo.

Speaker 2 The league got to step in because we, we, and it happened, it, I mean, but

Speaker 2 to see, I mean, what, I think this is the second or the third time that this has happened this year.

Speaker 12 Uh, yeah, we had with um at the Jalen Carter, we week one of the Cowboys uh a dat i think there was another situation i'm not sure and it was college it was college

Speaker 12 yeah yeah yeah but listen the league's gonna gonna step in they got they're gonna obviously discipline him it probably it probably it'll probably a one-game suspension i didn't i didn't i didn't call i didn't call uno tonight i didn't call him tonight uh he got enough to deal with as it is you know coming off a loss i allowed i allowed 24 hours to go by so tomorrow you know i got to fly to new york tomorrow so when i fly to new york i'm gonna take that time out being that this is this is off day i'm sure they're probably going to watch film, and I'm going to catch up later on in the evening and

Speaker 12 just talk to him. Just talk to him a little bit about, you know, being able to use logic, even in situations

Speaker 12 when you're not in your right state of mind. Because at times it can cost you, and I'm the perfect example of not using your mind in the right state of mind.

Speaker 12 And it's not going to cost you big this time, but it cost me my whole career. You know, so using that example with him in a small situation, which was extremely disrespectful, you know,

Speaker 12 would be perfect because

Speaker 12 I'm a prime example.

Speaker 12 Yep.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe.

Speaker 2 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I told you.

Speaker 12 Before,

Speaker 12 we're going off the

Speaker 12 bang of game already.

Speaker 2 What you want to talk about?

Speaker 2 I don't know what you want.

Speaker 12 Listen, Brother Darnell Washington.

Speaker 2 The way he made

Speaker 12 the way hey, hey, he pissed me off, man. He's supposed to, hey you supposed to be playing with the goddamn knicks or something

Speaker 2 no actually he's supposed to have a 70 number he's supposed to be an offensive tackle hey uh

Speaker 2 but hey i'm joking six seven because guess what

Speaker 12 he got a job yes you see how he bush respectful i'm like why are you pushing on people like that why are you at tight end

Speaker 12 hey hey hey hey darn i was watching it boy you was balling out tonight all steeler fans for those of you that in the chat you know how i feel about you i love you I've always been respectful and shown sportsmanship, and I've shown grace, whether we won or whether we lost.

Speaker 12 I was always respectful. But down there at Washington, what you did to my teammates, I had to avenge them.
So whenever I see you in public in the offseason, just know we're going to squabble.

Speaker 12 We're going to square up and we're going to fight. But boy, you had a hell of a game, boy.
You had a hell of a game. Salute to y'all, Steeler fan.
Congratulations on your win today.

Speaker 12 I love y'all. Y'all got it.
I hope Aaron Rodgers is okay. If he's not okay, I think it's his non-throwing hand.
I think something in his wrist is non-throwing hand that might be broke.

Speaker 12 Aaron Rodgers, do me a small favor. Put your hard cast on there.

Speaker 12 Put your hard cast on there.

Speaker 12 And let's play ball next week now.

Speaker 12 Let's play ball next week. We could play with that, whether it's a small break or a little break.

Speaker 2 I don't know why you're talking about our team. Why are you talking about our team?

Speaker 12 You're not even a Steeler.

Speaker 2 I'm saying, that's not.

Speaker 12 They're in the AFC North. So I feel compelled to be able to

Speaker 2 Raiders. Hold on.
My team.

Speaker 12 Hold on.

Speaker 12 Listen, I feel compelled to support them because my team is out right now.

Speaker 12 That's all.

Speaker 2 Oh, your team beat the told you that.

Speaker 12 Don't do that. Don't do that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 12 I've been told that.

Speaker 2 Don't lose that.

Speaker 12 Because if we won today, if we had won the game today, we would have had a chance.

Speaker 2 But I told you you weren't going to win. I told you you're going to lose your legs.
I told you how many games. Chad,

Speaker 2 how many times did y'all hear me telling, ocho, y'all about to lose out? And although the window is open, open, Joe Burrow is back at practice a little ahead of schedule.

Speaker 2 21 day, the 21-day window is open. He ain't coming back.
Come back for what? It's all good.

Speaker 12 It's all good. It's all good.

Speaker 12 It's all good.

Speaker 2 But I know a team that did one today.

Speaker 2 The team that I told you was going to win.

Speaker 12 Oh, the raid. Yeah, the Ravens did win today.
The Ravens beat the Browns, huh?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 did it. And my other team won.

Speaker 12 Wait a minute. Denver beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 Beat him.

Speaker 12 Hey, it was a beat him. Hey, but field goal at the end of the game, huh?

Speaker 2 Beat him, got the ball, and went down to the bottom.

Speaker 12 Hold on, field goal at the end of the game, if I'm not mistaken, right?

Speaker 2 Okay, yes.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 2 Hey, guess what? They count as points.

Speaker 2 Field goal points, right?

Speaker 12 Yeah, it do. It do.

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