Trevor Jackson Speaks On His Recent Break-Up, Bringing Back Love, & His New Album | Truth After Dark

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Speaker 3 she ain't

Speaker 3 she loves me for me? Like, like, what had to happen?

Speaker 3 We gotta see because I don't, hey, man.

Speaker 3 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Has your ex text texted you since this song has hearing it since hearing it?

Speaker 4 No, no, she hasn't.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. I'm definitely reaching out, like, wow, you writing all this shit about me.

Speaker 3 We don't want to break up. Yeah,

Speaker 3 we don't want to break up.

Speaker 1 Women don't want to break up either, but unfortunately, we're pushed to that at one point.

Speaker 4 And I want to make sure that a lot of older men understand that my dad is one of those people.

Speaker 3 This is an older man.

Speaker 4 I know a lot of people that

Speaker 3 she be on his hand.

Speaker 3 No, he's on me.

Speaker 1 I have to get him back. I meet on older women every time.

Speaker 3 I'll do that too.

Speaker 4 No one watches this and says, she's not feminine.

Speaker 3 No, we

Speaker 1 do. No, they do.
They come from me all all the time well don't listen to those people

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Speaker 1 who are you guys doing now well this is the remote strong yeah like this is blowing me stop this like i'm not giving bodybuilder

Speaker 3 This is the taking over the game.

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Speaker 1 The Truth. And tonight, we are joined by an incredible actor with an incredible voice.

Speaker 1 You've seen him on Grownish, you've seen him on Gray's Anatomy, and he just dropped the EP, I Love You Goodbye, with a breakup album on the way that everyone's waiting on.

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Speaker 3 Bro, definitely. Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're super excited to have you. So you have a new album that's coming out

Speaker 1 in about like a week or so, right? Nine days. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So how are you feeling? I know that it's a breakup album, right?

Speaker 3 Yes. So

Speaker 1 yeah, like we got to get into this, okay?

Speaker 1 Because, you know, we

Speaker 1 feel like to be creative, you have to have that pain a little bit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm excited about it. It feels like there's a weight lifted.

Speaker 4 You know, I have other music that I have done, but I was like, I want to be able to move forward in life and not have this thing that I made in a place of healing, you know, still resting on me.

Speaker 4 So the fact that I get to put it out into the world and could potentially, you know, help somebody through their breakup or whatever,

Speaker 4 then my job is done, you know. So, okay.

Speaker 1 Can you talk to us about the breakup a little bit?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I guess it just, it just didn't work. You know what I mean? I think we were just two people young trying to make something work that just didn't, you know, trying to put a triangle in a circle hole.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? Like it just, it didn't work.

Speaker 4 And, you know, it ended. She broke up with me, which is, you know, it's fun.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Women always break up with women.
This is what we always say. Men don't break up with women.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Women usually do the breaking up, but men will do a lot of shit to make her break up.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's the the truth.

Speaker 3 How long were you guys together?

Speaker 4 About six years already.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's a minute.

Speaker 1 Were you holding on and fighting for it?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think even when I maybe knew it wasn't the right thing, just because I'm that type of person, like my whole life I've had to just kind of, you know, swallow my pride and just, you know, even every, if everything doesn't fall perfectly into a line, I still know how to work through and push through.

Speaker 4 And I think that was also to my own detriment in this situation. You know, I'm just like, I want it to work.
I want it to be right, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you live, you learn and you, I'm thankful for it. You know what I'm saying? Where I'm at now, I would go through it a billion times again.
I was able to create some incredible music.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I think, again, I'll be able to help a lot of people through a tough time.

Speaker 3 See, that's what I'm talking about. I've been through that before.
I've been through a whole relationship breakup. Like the first girl I was with, I was with like seven, eight years.

Speaker 3 I felt like it was over three years before it actually ended. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
But you try to make it work because, like, like you said, like we say, guys, we don't want to break up.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Generally, we don't want to break up.

Speaker 1 Women don't want to break up either. But unfortunately, we're pushed to that at one point.

Speaker 3 It pushes a woman to break up.

Speaker 1 I would probably say...

Speaker 3 Where's the specific final straw?

Speaker 1 I would probably say that there isn't a specific final straw. I think women check out emotionally far before the relationship ends.
Men probably do the same thing.

Speaker 1 But I think it just, for women, it's like, for me, I'm just like that.

Speaker 3 I'm holding on.

Speaker 1 I'm trying so hard. And then eventually you're just like, damn, like, I can't keep doing this.

Speaker 3 I got to have one question because we talked about about this.

Speaker 3 Did y'all live together?

Speaker 4 For a period of time, but not like actually, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 It was like, you know, she'd say over for like months at a time, or then, you know, during a pandemic time.

Speaker 3 What do you think about if you're like,

Speaker 3 say during the pandemic, if you slept on the couch or she slept on? Yeah, we talked about it.

Speaker 3 Is that a thing? What do you mean? Like, if you just was like, all right, y'all usually sleep in the bed together. Oh, oh, oh.
But you just slept on the couch. Is that a thing? Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 3 You think that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 4 we just had this conversation now i think also i'm huge on communication like i'm an over communicator right because i want there to be clarity and you know i've learned my lesson from not communicating so if i am wanting to sleep on the couch i will make sure the person knows hey this isn't because i want to be far from you this isn't because you know i'll make sure that i explain it properly to her it's like hey i just want to have a night on the couch and watch me a little movie loud i know you're trying to sleep right i'm just trying to maybe mind you know what i mean i'm just trying to chill and relax right and want to be able to be the most you know but i would never just do that now i've been on the other end where people may just do stuff and not communicate.

Speaker 4 I'm like, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 Like, why are you, you couldn't tell me?

Speaker 4 And then, oh, it's fine. I just want, okay, but as your partner, I feel like I'm old that, the communication, especially if we're always, if we're always, you know, sleeping together.

Speaker 4 I'm old communication.

Speaker 1 You know what? I feel like the younger generation, because how old are old are you, 29?

Speaker 3 Yeah, 29.

Speaker 1 I feel like the younger generation of men, like G. Herbo, he's your same age.
He came on here. You guys are more vulnerable and like communicative.
Yeah, yeah. And like very open.

Speaker 1 I think older generations are not that way because it was more stigmatized.

Speaker 4 And also they couldn't be.

Speaker 3 They didn't have the space to be.

Speaker 4 And I want to make sure that a lot of older men understand that my dad is one of those people.

Speaker 3 This is an older man.

Speaker 4 I know a lot of people that

Speaker 3 she be on this.

Speaker 3 No, he's on me.

Speaker 1 I have to get him back. He calls me an older woman every time.

Speaker 3 I'll do that too. Go, go, go, go, go.

Speaker 3 We got insults.

Speaker 3 I'm letting her get her shot.

Speaker 1 He does it to me all the time.

Speaker 4 But I think that they just weren't gifted that space, and a lot of people blame them and throw a lot of shade in their way. And it's like, if you were in that place, there just wasn't room for that.

Speaker 4 There were so many other things that we had to overcome. It's like, I can't be worried about this thing.
Even if my heart hurts a little bit, I don't have room. I got to carry this family.

Speaker 4 I got to carry this situation. And so, yeah, there's not a lot of space.
And I think now it's been a lot more accepted.

Speaker 4 And we're seeing the benefits of how sharing your feelings can, you know, improve your mental health and your peace and all these things.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I agree. But I think it's because of the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're absolutely right. It is about the times.
Because like as, like me as an older man, like you said, like us growing up, we had to like shoulder, like being

Speaker 3 a tough guy. Yeah.
You can't show emotion. Yeah.
You know, we got, we looked upon as that rock of the family. And it was frowned upon if you showed a little emotion or you cried.
Mana. It was sad.

Speaker 3 It's like, man, you'll get punched in the chest if you're a kid.

Speaker 3 Like now, it's just like more outlets for it.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it's like a freedom. It's like an emotional freedom.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 My dad now is crying more than he ever has. He's like, son, what's wrong with me? I said, dad, you've held in for 50-something years.
What do you expect?

Speaker 4 You know, so now everything that happens, and he'd get a little tear. He's like, he's like, I don't know why I'd be like this.
I'm like, dad, you spent your whole life not crying.

Speaker 4 And I always think, I push him. Like, one time I said, dad, sit in your car.
I'm going to send you a song. Just lay your seat back and listen to this song.
And he'd call me back.

Speaker 4 He's like, why'd you do that, son? I was like, because you needed to let that, whatever. I don't know what he was going with.

Speaker 4 But I was just like, because I was in the car that day and I listened to it and I was crying while I was driving.

Speaker 3 I was like, wow.

Speaker 4 And I said to my dad, I was like, in case you need this, you know, and he did it. And there's just a lot of healing in that, bro.
There's a lot of healing.

Speaker 4 But I also think there's a balance where I do think some younger generations, like younger than me, they don't have enough. But hey, get that, carry that.

Speaker 4 Because, you know, me being and doing the things I've done for as long as I can, I could have a trillion times given up. I could have a trillion times not.

Speaker 4 But because I was kind of raised with a little bit of both, you know, I feel like there was a time where it was like, I don't care how you're feeling about that. You have to get this done.

Speaker 4 There's no, there's not like what can you, it's like, what you, what must you do, you know? Okay. And I had to look at my life like that.

Speaker 4 So so I think it's a gentle balance yeah but I do think now I think there's a lot of people who I'm just like you're you're crying over that you're giving up over that or you know they're not resilient yeah and I think there's a definitely a change in the generation okay I got it

Speaker 3 what makes you laugh what makes you smile what makes you cry

Speaker 4 that's a loaded question only because only because I'm so like I love so many things like I could laugh at a baby you know falling down and like jokingly and obviously not dying or the baby hurting themselves but like you know or a baby surprise themselves or a dog doing so i have two dogs um and i love comedy so maybe a stand-up comedy show um what makes me cry probably the same thing seeing a baby

Speaker 4 or like a dad and the son having a good talk you know what i mean i probably would cry some like that

Speaker 4 um i'm a i'm gonna cry baby i i love it it's it's yeah

Speaker 1 feels good feels good okay and what was the other one cry laugh laugh and

Speaker 3 said comedy laugh smile oh smile Oh, smile. If you're just sitting there and you're on the couch and you just start thinking of this, you're just like.
Being a dad?

Speaker 3 Bam. Okay.

Speaker 1 And you are not a dad yet, correct?

Speaker 3 I'm not. Okay.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 4 I want like four kids.

Speaker 3 You just four six. Four kids.
Okay. I love that.

Speaker 4 That's one of my main goals in life is just to be a good dad.

Speaker 1 So speaking of being a dad, you have a song on your EP called Kept It.

Speaker 1 So is that about a woman having an abortion? Yes.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you've been through that. Yeah, I have.

Speaker 4 It wasn't easy.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of people neglect the man's feelings when that abortion happened. I agree.
Was it a mutual decision that you guys both did?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's funny you said that. It was a that, but you just said it was like the first sentence of the second verse.
It was a grown-up decision that we both had to make.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you did say that. I do remember that.
That is part of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You did.

Speaker 4 But yeah, exactly. It was a thing that we both had to make.
And like, looking back on it, now I think we did the right thing.

Speaker 3 That's also in the song.

Speaker 4 But it's true. It's like,

Speaker 4 but I think the whole song, it was off of my experience, but also a friend of mine who had said something like to me when we were like talking.

Speaker 4 And he was like, sometimes it makes you feel like you wish you would just.

Speaker 3 I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 4 I was like, yeah, right. Cause you can still see them even if it's, it's like, they may not be with you, but they're around.
And it's like, maybe that's selfish. Maybe that's whatever.

Speaker 4 But these are just the honest feelings that go through someone's head. And it's like everything that someone thinks isn't.
what they do and isn't who they are.

Speaker 4 But I think going through that thought process is important. That's why I put all of these songs on this album because they're all different ideas or thoughts I may have had.

Speaker 4 I may not have acted on all these things, but I had to go through all of these to get to boom, you know what I'm saying, where I'm at.

Speaker 4 But if I neglected those thoughts and allowed myself to feel those things, I would be here, but uncomfortably. You feel me? So like, I get that.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like breakups to me are sometimes harder than death because the person is still there. You know, it's very, very hard.

Speaker 4 I hate it. I think I feel slightly differently.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 I feel like death is, it's like, it's even worse. Because they're gone.

Speaker 4 They're gone like forever.

Speaker 3 And I'm only saying that because I get that.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? But I I get what you mean. Maybe in relationship stance, yeah.

Speaker 1 I get both. Like, I've been through both.
And I know they're both really hard. But with breakup, it's like you know this person is still there.
You're just not with them. It just hurts.

Speaker 1 It's, I hate breakups.

Speaker 3 Like, I'd rather go through anything else.

Speaker 3 Has your ex texted you since this song?

Speaker 4 Has hearing it since hearing it? No, no.

Speaker 3 She hasn't? No, no, no. I'm definitely reaching out like, wow, you writing all this shit about me.

Speaker 3 But that's just my story, right?

Speaker 4 You know, there's so, this is for everybody. You know what I mean? This is, I know a lot of people who have been through this situation and I haven't heard it come from a male's perspective.

Speaker 4 And I felt a certain way about it. And I wanted to write about it, you know, but yeah, it was a difficult thing.

Speaker 4 I called my pastor, you know, had him pray over me and her and, you know, trying to figure out what to do.

Speaker 4 And, you know, even after it was done, I remember being in the car looking out the window and like trying not to break down because I didn't want this person to break down.

Speaker 4 But I'm like, damn, you know what I mean? Understanding, you know, the depth of it all. And

Speaker 3 hey, man,

Speaker 4 Never an easy thing to navigate, but

Speaker 4 I'm definitely glad music is there for me because I can always, I lean into it. Whenever I go through stuff in life, I just lean in.

Speaker 3 I lean in. Yeah.
What do you love more, creating music or acting?

Speaker 4 I'd say music only because it's mine.

Speaker 4 It's so me that it's going to be the most...

Speaker 4 It's going to be the closest thing to me if people a million years from now wanted to know who I was. You would listen to my music.

Speaker 4 Now, when I'm acting, I'm taking somebody else and trying to make them, you know, believable as me, right? I'm taking someone else's words, I'm taking another character, and I'm diving into that.

Speaker 4 And when I'm writing, it's the words are mine, the stories are mine, and even the harmonies, the way I cut myself, I engineer myself. So it's like all of it is me.

Speaker 4 Even in the, you know, the quickness to how I work, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 That makes sense.

Speaker 3 Because I know you have a passion for both. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 4 They both have saved me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, I say this story every time, so I may sound like a broken record, but like there have been times where I go to set and maybe like, you know, let's say I didn't read the script the day before or whatever, and I show up, but the day before I went through a breakup and I get to set and the scene's about me breaking up with somebody.

Speaker 4 You know, like, and I had said the words that I'm saying in the script the day before, not knowing I had this to do.

Speaker 4 So like they both have just showed up kind of like spiritually in my life and have been like, hey, this is for you. This is to help you.
This is to, you know, process.

Speaker 3 Have you ever lost yourself in a role? Like, and what I mean by that, like, you just find yourself becoming that person?

Speaker 4 I'd say, uh, Burning Sands was probably the closest I felt to, like, a little bit out of myself.

Speaker 4 Um, I just, yeah, I played a guy in a fraternity, and I just really was trying to deprive myself of sleep and

Speaker 4 just go through, you know, some of those things that were happening. And I was committing to that, you know, and I just noticed it.

Speaker 4 Even when I came back from filming that, people that I knew, they're like, yo, you're a little different. You know, you're the same.
Like, yeah, look, you even look a little different.

Speaker 4 You know, and it's not like I've changed drastically, but you know, going through that process, I definitely grew as an actor, as a man, but also I did experience that kind of like, whoa, this is a different, different body.

Speaker 3 Do you have to see somebody? Do you have to talk to like,

Speaker 3 what is it, a psychiatrist? Do people go to a therapist or a psychologist? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I do go to therapy. I love therapy.
I think everyone should do it. I think it's very positive.
I love therapy.

Speaker 4 But it wasn't to that extreme. You know, I wasn't like, hey, I need help getting out of here.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm in this room. And I can't see.
It wasn't that.

Speaker 4 But guess what? I do, I don't want to wish that on myself, but I do want to get into that space of a role that I feel that way.

Speaker 4 You know, like I really want to go, I always want to push myself in whatever I'm doing. So whether that's music or acting, I'm like, what's the next thing? What's the next level? How can I go harder?

Speaker 4 How can I be better? And I think actors like Joaquin Phoenix, actors like Leonardo, like, you know, Daniel Day-Lewis, these guys switch. Sean Penn, they switch.
They turn into, and I want that.

Speaker 4 I want to watch a movie and be like, that ain't Trev.

Speaker 1 Even Lady Gaga does that. I feel like it's method acting, right? Just becoming a whole different person, Denzel.
Like, there's a lot.

Speaker 3 Denzel's great. Yeah, but you got to understand some of the characters he said, they've been in dark places.
Yeah, yeah. They've went into some dark places.

Speaker 3 Like the three actors he said have played some dark characters.

Speaker 3 They're cold, though. They're cold, you know?

Speaker 4 And it's like they sacrifice, you know, sometimes. Sometimes you do, I think it's important to pray over yourself, whatever you do.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Cover yourself, but some people don't, you know what I mean? And go dive into a space and be like, hey, what's kind of running this, you know, ship?

Speaker 3 And you got to know.

Speaker 1 But, you know, Lady Gaga, when she played in House of Gucci, said that she, like, lost herself. She didn't know who the fuck she was.
That movie was so good, yeah.

Speaker 1 And she was dark, it had dark things.

Speaker 3 And she said she thought she was that person, like she lived that person every day.

Speaker 1 You know, like that's crazy.

Speaker 4 Jim Carrey did that for that one comedian. I forget his name, forgive me, but Jim Carrey played a comedian and something.

Speaker 4 And there's a whole documentary about that on Netflix, which is pretty interesting. I love Jim Carrey in general.
I think he's an

Speaker 4 intuitive dude, but the documentary was dope.

Speaker 1 So, top five actors, what would you say?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 4 I always have, look, I always have this because I have my top 10 actors in here.

Speaker 4 I watch this thing every day and I'm always like, okay, top 10, hold on.

Speaker 3 We talk about this all the time.

Speaker 4 Okay, okay. Top five is hard, okay? But I'm going to try and break this down.
Okay. I'm going to try and break this down into only five.

Speaker 4 You're only giving me five of all time favorite actors of all time. Okay.

Speaker 3 Denzel. Yes.

Speaker 3 Woo-hoo.

Speaker 3 He said, whoo, after the ball.

Speaker 4 Okay, Denzel, Daniel Day-Lewis.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Say that.

Speaker 4 Colin Farrell.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Okay.

Speaker 3 How many is that? Three. Three.
Oh, shit. Daniel Day is good.

Speaker 4 Colin Farrell, I'm going to give Sean Penn up in there.

Speaker 3 Okay, Sean.

Speaker 4 And I want to split the last one between Leonardo and Shila Buff.

Speaker 3 Wow, Shia LaBeouff. Yeah, he's up there for me.
He's up there for me.

Speaker 4 He's top five.

Speaker 3 Really?

Speaker 4 Okay. I might have said six to cheat a little bit.
I got six in there.

Speaker 1 Do you know who Shila Buff is?

Speaker 4 Yes, you do. Transformers.
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 Transformers movies. Yes.

Speaker 4 And every, I mean, he's a beast, bro. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's somebody, so he's one of my heroes that I got to work closely with. You know, in life, when you're like, hey, man, this person, person, right? And I got to work with him.

Speaker 4 The movie didn't end up coming out. We didn't film it, but we rehearsed for it a bit.
And he was one of the most

Speaker 4 inspiring, that was one of the most inspiring encounters I've had as an actor because I admire him so much, but I didn't know his process.

Speaker 4 And to see how extensive his process is and how seriously he takes it and gets into it, I'm like, oh, I had a whole new level of respect.

Speaker 4 I loved him since, you know, even Stevens, Holes, but then you got Lawless, his performance in Lawless, Honeyboy, like

Speaker 4 Peanut Butter Falcon. I've never seen that.
This guy's a, I mean, he's a monster. And all the transformers also show

Speaker 1 my top five is Denzel. Yep.
Um, Leonardo, yep, um,

Speaker 3 Brad Pitt, okay, because I love Fight Club, classic, um, Viola Davis,

Speaker 1 and um, damn, I can't remember my last one.

Speaker 3 You go, I have to think about it. All right, I guess the consensus amongst us is Denzel.
Yeah, yeah. All right, so I got Denzel.

Speaker 3 I also got uh Johnny Depp. Yeah, oh,

Speaker 3 that was a good one.

Speaker 4 That's a good one.

Speaker 3 I know he has one that's a couple movies that he's Blow. He loves Blow.

Speaker 4 Partial Caribbean, Charlie Factory for Loving in Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 Definitely, I got Leonardo's in there too. Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's another one because this is.

Speaker 3 I have to say Eddie Murphy, man. Up there.
Up there. Eddie Murphy.

Speaker 3 Up there. Like, he plays, because he plays so many different roles, like the lover boy.
He played like the comedian. He played the cop.

Speaker 4 I think comedians deserve a category in having an Oscar because I think comedy is actually to me a little bit more difficult than drama acting. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Will Ferrell's in when you said top 10? He's in my top 10. Will Ferrell.
Okay, Will Farrell.

Speaker 3 And then for my fifth one, I'm going to go with Nicole Kidman. Cole.
She's cool.

Speaker 1 You had Octavia Spencer on yours last time.

Speaker 4 He just be switching it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he be switching it.

Speaker 3 The hair, the hair one.

Speaker 3 The hair lady.

Speaker 3 I love Octavia. I do.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, those are good. I can't think of my last one at all.
So I don't know. I want to give it to like someone black.
Maybe Jamie Fox. Ray Chamberlain.

Speaker 4 Jamie Fox is crazy.

Speaker 3 He's amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was, that was, I mean.

Speaker 3 Ray is one. Yeah, Ray is still one of the most talented in Hollywood.
In Hollywood? Wow, that's a strong song.

Speaker 3 Because of singing and acting and performing on stage and hosting, like he has no weaknesses. Yeah.
Like Jamie has that no weakness.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's definitely one of, you know, one of the few that can do it all.

Speaker 3 He can do any role. And do it well.
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 So back to me.

Speaker 3 Are we going to spawn or we bought it? No, no, I love that.

Speaker 1 I love that. But no, I know that acting is not easy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 And you've been acting for a long time since you were young, right?

Speaker 4 Since I was seven years old.

Speaker 3 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 I acted too. I'm not successful at it, but I was.

Speaker 4 Hey, definitely because you didn't keep going. If you're younger.

Speaker 3 You didn't keep going.

Speaker 1 I was in commercials and everything.

Speaker 1 plays, but I can't sing. I think being a singer and an actor is a just, you're a triple threat, double threat, whatever you call it.

Speaker 1 So is it true that you and Zendaya were in a relationship?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 Zendaya deterred.

Speaker 3 Yes, I know.

Speaker 3 No, no.

Speaker 4 Dear friends, you're dear friends.

Speaker 1 Okay, good friends, never been together.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 So the rumors were putting them to rest.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. You're not, it doesn't seem confident, but I'm going to go with it.
Really?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Just kidding.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I know that you talked about like, you know, you've been afraid of being alone. Yeah.
So what would you say the craziest thing you've done to avoid being alone?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I think.

Speaker 3 Ask somebody to be with you, right? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think someone, I think maybe trying to stay in a situation, maybe that might be.

Speaker 3 Probably

Speaker 3 like just staying there because you're afraid of it.

Speaker 4 Just because, yeah, nobody wants to redo it. Everybody, you know, time is a, and you only learn how valuable time is the older you get, right?

Speaker 4 And you're young, you kind of don't get it, but it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I only got how much time I just lost my granddaddy.
I just, you know what I mean? Now I got to start.

Speaker 4 Let's figure it out. You know, I can't really play no more.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I definitely think that's the craziest thing I've done is maybe just try and stay in something and knowing maybe something wasn't right for me.

Speaker 4 Or, you know, that can even go like friends too, hanging out with friends because you just don't want to be alone, but maybe they aren't the best influences for you.

Speaker 4 That's been a thing of mine as well.

Speaker 3 That's true. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's real. I think I learned at an older age, now that I'm an older woman, that

Speaker 1 being alone, actually staying in a relationship that's not for you is making it.

Speaker 1 You're going to more say be alone than not because it's inevitable that it's going to end. So now you're just getting older.
Time is getting, you know, time keeps going.

Speaker 1 You're staying in a relationship. You're staying in a relationship.
You're afraid to be alone. But the longer you stay, the more likely

Speaker 4 that you will be alone because you ain't going to to look for someone else in another relationship.

Speaker 1 That's actually for you. So it's like, I don't regret any of my relationships.
I regret staying longer than I should have because it would have brought me to where I'm supposed to be quicker.

Speaker 4 So how I feel about that is I don't want to regret any part because maybe in that you staying longer than you should have taught you a lesson that you wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? That's how you say that. It's hard because it's like...

Speaker 4 It's true. It's like you can never, if you feel like that, you may never be able to actually have an opinion because it's all relative.
But I know what you were saying.

Speaker 4 But I was just saying in general, it's like, yo, where you are is because of the things that you've been through. And if you change anything, it may be a little different.

Speaker 1 So, a few questions. Yes, please.
Paul is going viral per usual, and he said that

Speaker 1 in order to know if your woman loves you or not, you should cheat on her.

Speaker 1 That's how you'll know she loves you. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 Yes, he said,

Speaker 1 to find out if your girl loves you or not, you should cheat on her.

Speaker 3 I would like to know what your evolve therapy

Speaker 3 response is.

Speaker 3 So let him answer before you do your explanation.

Speaker 3 Before it gets taken out of context, yes.

Speaker 3 I don't believe that a man should intentionally find that out. Yeah, right.
Like, and

Speaker 3 I said it in the conversation talking about the men who said, I found out unintentionally. Yeah.
You know, like, damn, she, I guess she really loved me because we've done been through some shit.

Speaker 4 I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying. I know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 He's cleaning it up.

Speaker 4 So here, no, I get it. I get it.
So here's what I want to say, right, in response to that. He's cleaning it up.
You're taking something that matters a lot.

Speaker 4 Take out the cheating. It's something that matters a lot to the partner, right? It's from you, right?

Speaker 3 She feels a certain way.

Speaker 4 It's a man cheating. I think

Speaker 4 whatever the level of intensity that is, if this person can love you through that for him, like whether it's cheating, whether it's something like, let's say. He said, this really bothers me.

Speaker 4 Please never do this. Let's not say it's cheating.
Let's say it's, I don't know, drove the car and wrecked it, or maybe I had a DUI.

Speaker 4 And this stuff is literally, I would leave you if you did this because this matters this much to me and this shows me a sign of mistrust or whatever and that person does that and he can love you through that you know i think it should go both ways i think

Speaker 4 it's a hard thing but what i'm trying to say is you're agreeing with him i'm not agreeing with him i just think if you really love somebody

Speaker 4 there is a way through and that goes both ways i agree that goes both ways and i think that the

Speaker 4 There's just a lot of TV, there's a lot of movies, there's a lot of stories we hear that kind of tell us how the path should go between men and women.

Speaker 4 And I think it should go however it works out in your own life. And you get to create your own reality with that.
You feel me?

Speaker 3 Go ahead. No, no, no, let's just finish this.

Speaker 4 No, but that was pretty much it. And I'm just saying, like, because there are other things for a man that may mean that much, that may matter that much.
And we're like, I love you. It's good.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? And that doesn't, I'm not saying like he's saying, don't go out and do it just so she can say that. And

Speaker 4 no one should do it, right? Yeah, I get what you're saying. But you know what I mean? I think there's a way through.
And a lot of people feel like you do this, you don't love me.

Speaker 4 And sometimes people aren't perfect or aren't fully grown when you meet them. And

Speaker 4 it could be reversed in another area of life. You know what I mean? Like maybe in this area, you aren't as, you get what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I get what you're saying. Just trying to.
So listen to this. You've been a child star in the limelight your whole life.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you're meeting people, you know, maybe not so based on like the stardom. I mean, of course, handsome guy, you can, you know, attractive, you can get girls to come your way.
So, at what point

Speaker 3 did you say, like,

Speaker 3 she ain't,

Speaker 3 she loves me for me? Like, like, what had to happen?

Speaker 3 We gotta see, because I don't, hey, man,

Speaker 3 amen. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna say this without saying this.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna say this without saying this, fully, because I'm trying to hear the question.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to answer this properly. How do you know?

Speaker 4 I think,

Speaker 4 you know, I want to speak on.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to speak.

Speaker 4 I want to say this. I want to say, like,

Speaker 4 you can think something. Like, I can have an idea.
And then that could be totally flipped on its head, right? So I feel like I've been in situations where I'm like, oh,

Speaker 3 she would never. It's not that.

Speaker 4 And find out when we break up. Oh, it was that.
I was just another one of that. Right.
You know, and that's kind of the vibe that's been going on. You know what I'm feeling? And I'm like, whoa,

Speaker 4 I'm like whoa i thought that you know and you can hear it from your brother you can hear from your mama you can hear it from your daddy i'm like you guys are wrong you guys have no idea right she loves me

Speaker 4 she's mine okay and we understand each other all this stuff

Speaker 4 and then you know life goes on and you start seeing patterns of people you're like oh whoa whoa whoa and and and almost i was more mad at me because i'm hard on myself in every aspect of my life you know as martial arts is acting and singing i'm trying to be great i'm like how could you let this you know and i was pissed at myself for all i'm like trevor it's okay.

Speaker 4 You know, you're not a mind reader. You're not, you're not a, but that was a hard pill to swallow because I felt like I had a good gauge on that, you know, I felt like I could tell the difference.

Speaker 4 And for me, a lot of time when I first started,

Speaker 4 you know, if I was dating, if I was singing or whatever, I'm not a gift giver. That's, that's the first thing I did to ensure that you were here because you want to be around me.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And also, I don't want nothing from you.

Speaker 4 Hey, we're going to do stuff together and feel like if we spend time together, do we like that?

Speaker 4 But this gift giving stuff, I've never been been this guy i've been asked you're not gonna give me back absolutely not sorry that's not how i get down and they'd be like whoa well i'm like it's not like that it's just you know this what is month one we ain't building it on that you know i'm saying we can't build it on that because guess what if that stuff stops coming then you leave right you know right that's a bar if that stuff stops coming you leave and i've seen it happen i've seen it happen people will suck people dry and then the minute that they're at their lowest or the minute that you know they show a human side because they're supposed to be super humans and you can understand this you know what i mean being it i got to be carry everything talk you know, because of the position that we've been put in in life.

Speaker 4 It's difficult. Yeah.
It's very difficult. There's only

Speaker 3 there's only one way to find out if a woman or a man truly loves you. You have to go through something.
Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 3 Like, and it doesn't have to be like the cheating things or whatever, but like, I don't know if it's like

Speaker 3 you dealing with a disease like cancer. Yeah, yeah.
You lose a leg or you in a hospital.

Speaker 3 I don't, I'm not even saying it has to even be that deep, deep, but there has to be like a bump in the road to where you kind of like took a step back to realize like, damn. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, I also would say it's an I thing too for me. I've noticed, you know, in life, the way people look at me, you know, especially people that are close to me.

Speaker 4 And I've noticed the difference, right? Like maybe I thought something was like, hey, I love you, but really was like, I want to be you, right? I've seen that before. And I'm like thinking, oh, like.

Speaker 4 This person loves me, but it's like, no, they either want to be you or want what you got. You know what I mean? I've kind of maybe felt that.
And then when someone does love you, you can see that.

Speaker 4 i've seen like

Speaker 4 the way someone that's looks at me i can be like oh

Speaker 4 you know i don't know how to explain that i know i think what you mean and i'm telling you i've only gotten that like within the last few years i'm like oh the way she looking at me i ain't never been looking at like oh you you want to help you and but you know i mean it's just constantly i care about this creature this thing i want to be you know i mean and i can see that without her having to say it

Speaker 1 and do you think that like for instance like someone having like a being in your position specifically too i feel like love can also be determined by the type of woman that you're with.

Speaker 1 And like, does she want to help you be better? Does she have your best interest in mind?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is she trying to make you grow? And is she trying to do it, even if it's not beneficial to her? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, there's ways in which, even with me and my relationships, where I can be like, look, I think you should do this, even if I know like that doesn't really make me feel comfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I know that it will be better.

Speaker 4 That's called maturity and that's called strength. A lot of people don't have that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's beautiful.

Speaker 4 That's that you think like that is actually beautiful. A lot of people are so

Speaker 4 um in their own life, which we all should, right?

Speaker 4 We should care about what we're doing, but I'm very big picture-oriented, and it's kind of like effed me over in relationships because I'm like, How are we tripping and talking about this?

Speaker 4 Like, we're on a planet, like, I just think big picture, we're on a planet in the middle of space.

Speaker 4 There's things that I'm trying to do within the world, trying to shift, I'm trying to put love and life into it.

Speaker 4 And, you know, so how are we arguing about like the way that the thing is, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Like, stuff like that.

Speaker 4 But sometimes I can come off maybe inconsiderate or insensitive in that, but it's just because I'm thinking, you know, big picture, large scale.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 That makes sense.

Speaker 3 Well, listen, no, I don't, no, I just want to go back before we move forward again. No, before we move forward again, just know you got an album coming out.
Oh, thanks, man. Appreciate it.
I love you.

Speaker 3 Goodbye.

Speaker 4 That's the last thing she said to me on the phone.

Speaker 3 That's why the album's called that. I love you.
Goodbye, Mac. That was the last thing on the phone.

Speaker 3 I'll give you a little story.

Speaker 4 So that's why I kind of wore this shirt. Man of Steel is one of the focus tracks on the album.

Speaker 4 But I wrote it because when I go through any type of emotional or depressing time in life, I'm watching superhero movies. I'm a nerd.
We were just talking about video games. You know how I get down.

Speaker 4 I'm Predator. I'm Superman, all this stuff, right?

Speaker 4 So I was watching Batman versus Superman, and

Speaker 4 she called me for us to have like this last kind of conversation. And basically on the phone, I was like, look, just like, you know, I don't want this, but this is something you want.
I understand.

Speaker 4 And she kind of went through a whole spill. And kind of what I took from it was, hey, you can't love me and

Speaker 4 be this guy that you feel like you have to be for the world. You can't do both, right? And I don't want to stop you from doing it.
So I think it's just best.

Speaker 4 And I was like, all right, if that's what you want, then she's like, all right, I love you.

Speaker 3 Goodbye. Boom.
Right.

Speaker 4 Go back to watching the movie. The very next scene, Superman walks in the bathroom.
Lois Lane is in the bathtub. Superman is like, what's wrong? And Lois Lane's like, she's like, it's impossible.

Speaker 4 And he's like, for what? She's like, for you to love me and still be you.

Speaker 3 I said, oh,

Speaker 4 ran downstairs, told my mom, I was like, look, man, you need to know that this shit, this just happened. You need to make sure that you know this.
I didn't just make this shit up.

Speaker 4 This really just happened to me.

Speaker 3 And she was like, What?

Speaker 4 And I went downstairs and made a song called Man to Steel. But basically, it's just representing that.
It's like, I'm supposed to be a man of steel, so it's hard to say how I feel.

Speaker 4 I don't want to cry because it makes it real. The world, all they see is a man to steal, the one that they can't kill, but they don't know that I die to be your man still.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 So it's like that's the song, but that's how it came along. And all of the records kind of have that kind of weight to them, you know.

Speaker 3 All right, I just figured out another thing to really find out if a girl or a guy loves you.

Speaker 3 What is it?

Speaker 3 All right, here's another thing. And it's not, you have to cheat.

Speaker 3 You have to be willing to give up something

Speaker 3 that you

Speaker 3 probably really enjoyed or loved compromise

Speaker 3 for that person. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, is it most people doing that? Because

Speaker 3 most people don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, committing to a relationship, men like to have sex with women all all the time.

Speaker 3 Don't say that. Say, like, she likes to go to the club all the time or she was a dancer.
She won't give up.

Speaker 4 What about even time when she wakes up?

Speaker 4 But because, you know, we wake up, maybe I don't sleep in as much because I want to wake up and blah, blah, blah. Vice versa.
I think, yeah, a change in habit or something like that.

Speaker 3 That's something that's

Speaker 3 that's another thing to show. Like, if she's willing or he's willing to like change that, yeah.
And you know, it's kind of like either

Speaker 3 habit or

Speaker 3 a habit that you like,

Speaker 3 you've been doing your whole life. Yeah.
Willing to change it.

Speaker 4 There's another strength that it takes for that.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of strength.

Speaker 4 It's a lot of strength and it's a lot of, like you're saying, love, right? I'm altering this thing, maybe this habit, this part of my life for you.

Speaker 4 And I feel like sometimes, maybe I'm speaking because I'm biased. I'm a man.
I feel like for a man, it is like overlooked sometimes. Like a man

Speaker 3 who smokes weed every day and he wants to be with this girl. He quit smoking weed.
For her, that's love. Yeah.
For sure. I know what you mean.
That's what I really said. No, for real.

Speaker 4 Just something that's a habit and you put it for that person that proves love yeah okay just to be a devil's advocate because now we're just talking yeah all right could that be could that be something to gain something else if someone is in a race to gain something and the thing they're trying to gain is more important than this thing they'd have to give up they'd easily give that up right so let's say

Speaker 4 let's say smoking weed may be her thing right but she'll easily stop that because she wants to live where she's living at she wants to sit where she's sitting at she want and it doesn't even have to be that she loves you she might love that life more.

Speaker 3 That's very true. I get what you're saying.
You're just throwing a wrench in it. Like, like, no, it's true, but like, habits is hard to break.

Speaker 3 Because then now, if they, okay, so say they, they, they give it up in front of you. They'll sneak and do it.
And then if you catch them doing it, that's cheating. Right.
I agree. I do agree.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? I do agree with that. Honestly, I do agree with that.

Speaker 1 What have you given up in a relationship?

Speaker 3 Oh, man.

Speaker 3 And do you feel the difference between compromise?

Speaker 1 Do you feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice?

Speaker 4 I think men always have to do a little bit more, honestly. That's my honest opinion.
Men always have to do a little bit more compromising, a little bit more.

Speaker 3 And it's not by a lot.

Speaker 4 It's not like, oh my God, we just, but it's a little bit more. We got to swallow the pill a little bit more than you guys.

Speaker 1 Explain, expand.

Speaker 3 Wow, we, I mean, he's just true. It's just a little bit more.
I, okay. I want to hear why.

Speaker 4 Um,

Speaker 3 okay, because we got more ego to like to that stuff and that. You know, being the king.
I think the strength.

Speaker 4 Yes, I agreed. 100%.
I think the strength is in that. I feel like, you know, I've been able to be very

Speaker 4 apologetic and accountable. And I feel like a lot of times, the majority of the times, my partner has not been, you know, even over something small, right?

Speaker 4 Like, I've done something small and I've been like, look, I want to apologize to you because I kind of had a bad day. And I can do that.
right?

Speaker 4 It's easy for me because I want you to know that you're not the issue. I'm going through something and I allowed that to hang on to you and I apologize.

Speaker 4 I've been in situations where that can linger for days, four or five days. And now I'm

Speaker 4 effing, feeling weird because you're having an issue, but you don't know how to communicate that issue to me. And so I got to swallow more pride than you.

Speaker 4 I got to, I got to, and it's because you don't want to maybe, or I don't know. I'm speaking about a multitude of situations, but the consensus I've gotten is I've always had to just kind of.

Speaker 3 Sorry. All right.
Yeah. Let's go.

Speaker 4 Because I'm driving the shit. We got to go where I have to go because I'm making the money, right? We have to go to this thing.
We have to go to this event.

Speaker 4 I can't go to this event and you have a problem. So I need to clear the problem and make sure that we're straight before we go in here because I can't have any issues in here, right?

Speaker 4 I don't think that, you know, on the other foot, it's the same.

Speaker 4 I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 Do you think that women have a tough time being accountable and apologizing, period? Yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I think everyone does.
I think I'm going to say, for me, I think I'm actually a lot better

Speaker 4 than, you know, some people that I know in terms of just apologizing and owning stuff up and you know just trying to get through it because I've been through so much and I actually have seen the benefits of it.

Speaker 4 And I feel like a lot of people who don't do it, so they don't see the benefits of it. But once you do, you're like, oh, if I just do this,

Speaker 3 we're good.

Speaker 4 But if I sit up here and I can't speak what's on my mind and I'm mad for the next week, I'm ruining my quality of life.

Speaker 4 I'm wasting my time also.

Speaker 4 I'm wasting my time because I love you. You love me.
We want the same stuff. Why would we spend these four days, four hours being mad?

Speaker 4 and i'm not saying every issue can be fixed like that oh you just want me to blah blah it's like no but if i'm hearing what you're saying i'm understanding it i'm on your side i'm not against you i want to hear what you have to say i want you to say what you have to say now what are we gonna do right what are we gonna do now like let's not so that's a big thing for me when it comes to partners i can't do the childish you know that's very hard for me it's very hard for me to like deal because i'm like i already got enough on my plate my brain's gonna explode the amount of stuff that are that's in it all the time so it's like i need you to

Speaker 4 and I've, you know, it's,

Speaker 4 it's not like a, it's not a horrible thing to have to deal with, but it's an annoyance. It can be sometimes annoying, but it's, you know, you take the crookeds with the straights in life.

Speaker 4 Again, that goes back to there's stuff I don't like, but I've yet to be in a situation where it doesn't exist, which I'm fine with. But it is something that can be agitating sometimes.

Speaker 1 So you mentioned that you have to go to sleep with the TV on because your mind is always loud.

Speaker 3 She's, what the heck?

Speaker 3 What's these questions? Great.

Speaker 3 Very true.

Speaker 3 That's a very true statement.

Speaker 3 I will project your fucking TV. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 So, would you compromise that in a relationship if you were with a girl? That's something you can't compromise.

Speaker 3 I'm not sleeping on dark.

Speaker 1 So, the girl, that's a compromise the girl's making.

Speaker 3 She's like, I'm going to sleep with this man, even though I hate the TV being on. I hate the TV being on.
Yeah, exactly. It kills me.
Most partners that I've had hate it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But I'm like, listen, I'm not going to be able to sleep. Like, it, because I said regardless.

Speaker 4 I'm like, the darkness is louder to me than the TV.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 4 Like, and my TV's blasting.

Speaker 3 Like, I got the JBL. I got the projector.
That mug is blaring in my face. And that's the only way I can go to sleep, but if it's quad

Speaker 4 and it's not like I think something's getting me, but my but, like, the things I'm thinking about is so, I'm like, damn, I got to shoot my life.

Speaker 3 Right?

Speaker 4 But if I, if my brain can catch on to the movie, I slowly slip off

Speaker 3 and I'm into sleep. Damn.
You know what I mean? That's crazy. That's the only way.

Speaker 3 that.

Speaker 4 And I also, I'm also studying. Whenever I'm watching movies or TV, I'm studying every second.
And it's hard for people

Speaker 4 that I'm with to be like, you know, you just watched this movie yesterday. I was like, I know.
I'm watching it again two times today because I want to see what I missed.

Speaker 4 I want to see why that role was set. You know what I mean? That's how I be.
And that is a sacrifice.

Speaker 3 So look, I would be watching the movie and say, like,

Speaker 3 if I'm with a partner

Speaker 3 and I turn over and they see me turn over, not watching the movie, and they like, turn the TV out. I'm like, I'm listening to it.
Yeah, for real.

Speaker 3 I'll wake up if something changes. Even if, you know, sometimes it's just the battery or whatever, it'll just go to the save screen.
I'll wake up and be like, you're not watching it. Put it back on.

Speaker 4 But you know what's funny? My mom told me that my dad used to have VHSs and he would always watch, you know, the same movies.

Speaker 4 And she said he would wake up out of his sleep if it popped out to pop it back in, hit play, and go back.

Speaker 1 That is a man thing, I feel, because I mean pitch black and silence.

Speaker 3 That's scary to you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 so if i'm like that's a compromise you don't hear nothing like no i hear this peacefulness of just my life oh my gosh i'll be here

Speaker 3 i don't know i'll be here

Speaker 1 i can't i have to be like in the dark so that would be definitely so do you feel like because i always feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice like compromise is i'll sleep with you in the bed with the tv on even though i hate that yeah sacrifice is changing the core of who i really am i don't believe that you should sacrifice in a relationship because that leads to resentment Can you sacrifice a part of you that isn't good for you, but maybe that is a part, right?

Speaker 4 Because that's where I've experienced, right? It's like, yeah, this is my normal. This is a part of who I think I am, but it also doesn't produce the best side of me.

Speaker 4 Right. Okay.
And this person may be, you know, and I do feel like it's a sacrifice.

Speaker 4 I do feel like I'm cutting something or something that is very whatever to me, but it's like, this thing is morphing me into something that's so much more than that, right?

Speaker 4 But I guess that is a, I guess, a compromise, then, if it doesn't feel too much like that.

Speaker 4 But I do feel like there's something I sacrificed, and the more I sacrificed it, I realized it wasn't really a sacrifice

Speaker 4 in comparison to what I was gaining in the relationship, in comparison to who I was becoming, how the person was pulling this person out of me.

Speaker 4 Didn't feel like a sacrifice anymore, but it took me some time to do it for a while.

Speaker 3 I'm like, whoa, look how I've been living. Look how I'm walking around.

Speaker 4 Look at my shoulders. I feel like I'm getting bigger in the gym.
Like, you know, but because I made certain sacrifices for this person,

Speaker 4 and again, I want to go back to the love. I think the right person, even if they know, they'll tell you, like, hey, that's not, you know, that's not you.

Speaker 4 They won't let you live any lower than yourself.

Speaker 1 Ooh, they won't let you live any lower than yourself.

Speaker 4 They won't let you. They won't let you.

Speaker 3 Now, I've been in a relationship

Speaker 4 where I thought the person loved me and would influence the lowest version of me. You know,

Speaker 1 I've had that.

Speaker 3 And that's because now I'm tangible.

Speaker 4 Who I'm supposed to be, who God brought me here to be, sometimes it can't be tangible, right?

Speaker 4 And when people see that, it's like, how do I make it, how do I make them more, you know, come back down here, you know, and that's how it felt.

Speaker 3 And that's with friends, too.

Speaker 4 Got a bunch of friends, you know, that I felt that energy from. It's like, yo, let's make him human again.
Cause right now, you know, he's too

Speaker 4 shit popping off. Shit's feeling good.
Hey, man, come on.

Speaker 3 Dim your light.

Speaker 1 That's what I've been in a lot of my relationships. Dim your life.
You can be in relationship with people who are in competition with you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's horrible. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Why are we here?

Speaker 1 Like, seriously.

Speaker 3 That makes me mad.

Speaker 1 Or they want to, like you said, they want to keep you here because when you're here, you don't understand your power and who you are.

Speaker 1 And if you understood your power and who you are, you wouldn't be with them.

Speaker 3 Right, right.

Speaker 4 That's why they don't want that. They don't want that.

Speaker 1 So you have to stay down here.

Speaker 1 I'm going to influence all the worst parts of you so you don't know who

Speaker 3 you are. Well said.

Speaker 1 Period. You know, and then when I do that, I'm going to continue coming back to you because you're feeding that.

Speaker 3 And I need you.

Speaker 4 Man, I've seen friends do that, even just not to me. Like I know someone and her best friend was on that.
Like, just

Speaker 4 in the minute that she started, it's like who are you like what and was getting mad at her for being a better version of herself yeah yeah they always want to take i've been in a relationship where someone literally told me i have to bring you back to reality because people pump you up too much and they make you feel that's horrible and that should be your number one support system yeah that should be your number that should be your source you should be telling him to chill out baby you should be out in public you should be like babe don't say that he's like no my girlfriend you know i mean that's how it should be i feel like she's the yeah she's incredible y'all ain't even seen the best part you know all of my past relationships have been exactly that.

Speaker 1 Like dimming, never felt good, never.

Speaker 4 And that's also just because they don't feel, like you said, worthy to be next to you. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 It's like,

Speaker 4 and unfortunately, I think it is hard for a woman in that space. Yeah, I know what it is.

Speaker 4 You know, because especially when you're a successful woman, you're a beautiful woman, you got a man, might feel a little intimidated. That's the only way you feel like he has that.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, the man culture.

Speaker 3 I can see how God's been intimidated by you, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think, too, it's been also my fault because I've attracted. I was at a certain frequency where I wasn't feeling myself, you know, so I attracted at a certain level.

Speaker 1 So I always put it back on me. Like, what I was attracting was how I felt internally about who I was.

Speaker 3 You know what you're saying. You know, so she used to be intimidating.

Speaker 3 Not

Speaker 3 a strong voice. You see how she's very opinionated, just strong.
Just very, just

Speaker 3 trying to come at me.

Speaker 1 I was strong.

Speaker 3 I'm not no buff ass, strong man.

Speaker 1 Like, don't piss me off.

Speaker 3 She Shibbat says, Pokénice, strong shoulders.

Speaker 3 It's intimidating.

Speaker 1 He's just trying to say, I used, I gained a lot of weight when I was a little bit more.

Speaker 3 I didn't even say that. I wasn't even all saying that.

Speaker 1 He doesn't probably know, but I was 280. Every episode he has to reference when I was 80.

Speaker 3 No, I'm not. You're not even saying.
You said

Speaker 1 big, strong boy.

Speaker 3 No, strong. No, he's not talking about your voice.

Speaker 3 Your energy.

Speaker 3 He's talking about your energy.

Speaker 3 Exactly. It's strong.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying I used to be.

Speaker 3 So I said now, you still are. You still are.

Speaker 4 That was just a slip of the tongue.

Speaker 3 You know, we make mistakes yeah okay well you you because like you used to come off like

Speaker 3 a little more masculine now you you showing your femininity side of yourself you know which is great you got a good balance of it but you could be a strong intimidating voice like like and that's real it's a compliment i think yeah i don't think it is but i'm gonna get it's nothing wrong with a strong and like i'm gonna continue like powerful boy like think about like certain like like like michelle obama has a strong pilot pilot davis your favorite actor davis is very strong yeah

Speaker 1 when you like you like damn you know well i will say this and i'm just gonna make it very quick i think that and women in a career space have to tap into a lot of their masculine side to be noticed agreed to agree to succeed like i've been very successful in the podcast space and it's because of my voice it's because i demand people's attention when I talk.

Speaker 1 And I feel like in my real life, I'm very feminine in my relationships. I'm very feminine.

Speaker 4 Can I just say you're very feminine? You're not feminine. Let's just make sure we say that.

Speaker 3 Because it sounds like you say it.

Speaker 1 Yes, because everyone always comes for me.

Speaker 4 No one watches this and says, She's not feminine.

Speaker 3 No, we

Speaker 1 know they do. They come for me all the time.

Speaker 3 Well, don't listen to those people.

Speaker 3 You don't listen to those people. Damn.

Speaker 1 Well, you're the one saying it, don't you think?

Speaker 3 He didn't say it. He didn't say it.
He just said strong. Strong voice.
Strong voice.

Speaker 3 This is blowing me.

Speaker 1 Stop doing this, though.

Speaker 3 This is blowing me.

Speaker 1 This right here is like, what in the

Speaker 3 room is strong. Yeah, like this is blowing me.
Stop this.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not giving bodybuilder.

Speaker 3 What's up, nigga? Like, let's give that.

Speaker 3 Stop doing that. You're blowing me.
You're blowing me. You're blowing me.

Speaker 3 That is hilarious.

Speaker 3 I'm cool with it, but it's this

Speaker 3 masculine.

Speaker 1 And the masculine title, because I just feel like women, we get that when we're successful, strong.

Speaker 4 Men, they're being sassy and feminine now when they say how they feel. I can't stand this.

Speaker 3 This sassy dude stuff is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 I've seen videos and I got you like, hey, I don't rather you're not. Oh, you're sassy.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I was out one time and somebody, and I was like, hey, excuse me. Like, it was a fan approach, and I was just like, hey, maybe, like, in the way you just, you know, you kind of just came.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're sassy.

Speaker 4 I was like, I'm just trying to share with you how I feel. If that's cool, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 But it's like, that's what I got when I had an issue with something. I'm like, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 I don't like that either. And they say that about men a lot.
Like, even with men smoking hookah, they're like, any man smoking hookah is sassy. Any man doing drinking a lemon drop is sassy.

Speaker 1 Like he can't like a little lemon in the drink.

Speaker 3 Like, you know what I mean? Or when something tastes good?

Speaker 3 That's why I say, why girls get all the good favorite drinks?

Speaker 4 And if I drink.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like the men can't.

Speaker 3 Because it's delicious. It tastes like tribal cool oceans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everything is sassy apocalypse now. Like men, I hate it.
I hate it. I don't go for that.

Speaker 3 All right. I'm going to get back to the music.
Let's do it. You got.
Music dropping in another week. Yeah.
I love you goodbye.

Speaker 4 The greatest breakup of all time. That's the full title.
I love you goodbye, the greatest breakup album of all time.

Speaker 4 And I also wanted to tell you too, just kind of like, I don't know if you guys saw the suit I was wearing and all this stuff. I did.

Speaker 4 So I said when you get broken up with, it feels like you show up to the altar by yourself. So I wanted like an 1800 groomsman because a lot of, you know, amazing poets in those olden times.

Speaker 4 I'm really inspired by those people. And you'll never see a video of those people, but you'll hear their poems forever, right? It lasts.
And I feel like that's how I felt about this project. And I...

Speaker 4 Yeah, I had that design. So Apooje is my stylist.
And then Lionel is an incredible designer. He's done stuff for Siza and a bunch of other people.

Speaker 4 He helped design the suit, and yeah, that was like my main thing for this. Everybody's like, Trevor just keeps asking me, I said, I need the suit made.
We had it made.

Speaker 3 I was like, this is all wrong. Start over.

Speaker 4 Right. And then I finally got it the way I wanted it.
But it's a huge part of that. And I also feel like, you know, someone that looked like me back in that time couldn't afford garments like that.

Speaker 4 So I'm like kind of flexing for them too. I love it.
And that's kind of the birthplace of the whole visual. And, you know, and it's like, you know, funeral.

Speaker 3 Staying on the music side.

Speaker 3 I want to talk about today's music. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, what do you think? And how do you think that today's music is affecting our love and our relationships? Like,

Speaker 3 this is so great. I would say this.

Speaker 4 I'll say a lot of people's issues with music, those same people are the reasons the issues exist.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 4 So it's like, I'll see a lot of women maybe have an opinion about, you know.

Speaker 4 how a woman is being treated or whatever, but they're the same ones, you know, singing the songs that are, you know, exactly. And it's just just hard to gauge, right?

Speaker 3 And for men too.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Men will be singing songs like this, and you're like, how do you expect someone to take you seriously?

Speaker 4 You just said you had five baby mommy and you're trying to do this and you're trying to do that.

Speaker 4 You know, so I do think it's hard. And I will say the one genre of music where they talk about family, wife, and husband is country music.
And I do think this is all agenda-based.

Speaker 4 I think this is all, if they're black, let's make sure that we keep the shit going, right? We want to keep only one mom in the household.

Speaker 4 We want the dad to be, you know, and that is, that is perpetuated by the music. That's perpetuated by certain movies.

Speaker 4 And white people, a lot of white people, listen to country music and pop music, and it's very family-oriented, it's very husband, wife, can't wait to get home to my kids-type records.

Speaker 4 So, I think that's something that's missing, and something that I'm trying to create. I think this is just the beginning of, like, you know, my

Speaker 4 story that I have to tell. Yeah, I have a lot more albums that I'm sitting on and I'm going to release, but I want to get to that point, right, to where

Speaker 4 the biggest artists can also be the healthiest lifestyles. A lot of people want to be,

Speaker 4 quote-unquote, successful, which is money, cars,

Speaker 4 big house,

Speaker 4 career, but no one's happy, right? So I think there should be,

Speaker 4 that has to be in there. And I would like to bring that, you know, to the forefront.
I'd like to do more of that. And that only comes with honesty.

Speaker 4 And that's what I think this album is, is just me being completely honest about where I was at and, you know, what I was going through.

Speaker 4 But I do believe that. I do believe that.

Speaker 1 Do you believe? I know you said boys to men is one of your

Speaker 4 complimented you yeah that was a deep deep moment for me i could imagine i was going through a lot already that day just mentally and then you know i walked in there and i seen one i seen them and i'm like first of all i'm i'm the type of person like although i've been in this for a long time i'm a fan first like even me sitting across from paul pierce is i'm like now you know we met a few times but still i'm kind of like oh shit you know what i mean this is happening so

Speaker 4 that'll never go away from me i'm always a fan and then turned artist yeah so when i saw them i was like getting teary. I was like, I'm just crying.
And they were like,

Speaker 3 like, everybody thinks I'm playing.

Speaker 4 I'm sure when I met you, and I'm like, Paul, you're probably like, this dude's a lot, but it's because I really feel this way. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I told him that, and I was like, guys, like, this is, this is my dream come true. I mean, y'all, like, I've listened.
You're the reason I know how to sing. Like, I listen to your records.

Speaker 4 You know, like, you're making us proud. We see everything you've been doing, man.
Keep going. Keep.
You're making us proud. You're doing us justice, right?

Speaker 4 And to hear that from them, to, you know,

Speaker 4 Co-Sar was doing a podcast, and he had said, I feel like Trevor Jackson suffers from being too good, right? Quote unquote.

Speaker 4 And I feel like I have been overlooked as an artist because maybe I look good or because maybe I'm a successful actor.

Speaker 4 So it's hard for people to give me my flowers when it comes to music, but I do this shit. Like I'm writing the shit.
I'm recording myself and I do it at a very high level.

Speaker 4 And to hear them say it, I didn't need nobody else to say it. Right.
Voice to men.

Speaker 3 Validated. What? Right.
I was like, oh, okay, I'm straight. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Genuine was putting fire signs on your.

Speaker 4 Genuine, that's another thing. That's amazing.
That's amazing. Yeah, these people.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's huge.

Speaker 4 It's an honor. It's an honor, man.

Speaker 3 And yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead.

Speaker 4 I was just saying, like, I still trip out to be in spaces with these people because I'm a student.

Speaker 4 When I want to do something, just like I'm sure how he's studying game film or anything like that, I am studying these music videos. I'm studying the voice.
I'm rewinding it.

Speaker 4 I'm press playing for hours at 11 years old. You know what I mean? At eight years old, I was just always trying to, and then I'm meeting these people.

Speaker 4 Like I ran into Amarion the other day and I'm like, bro, you don't understand. When I first moved to LA, I was 11 years old.
I walked by in the Beverly Hills Mall. I screened my ass off.

Speaker 4 I ran down to the food court. I begged them for a pen and paper.
I said, oh, Marion's over here. I ran back and you signed my shit.
And I got in my house right now.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's dope. It's in my house right now.
That's dope.

Speaker 4 But it's like, I'm not, and I feel like a lot of people lose that.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 4 You get into it and you start becoming numb to the shit. And it's like, yo, we are superheroes in a way.
And we have to remember that and carry that.

Speaker 4 You know, when people, when people walk up, I remember being a fan. That's why I'm always like, hey, how you doing? What's up? Hey, I'm nice to meet you.
I'm never, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I'm always just, because that could create the next Michael. That could create the next, you know, Kobe.
That could create the next Paul. That could create the next, you know what I mean? 100%.

Speaker 4 Just by being like, hey, man, keep going. All of that.
This right here. And that could take someone who will imagine that when they go to sleep.

Speaker 4 And the hardest day of their life, they will be like, he said, keep going. That boy said to me, I'm going to remember that.
I'm going to go through more shit in life. That's life.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go through our shit.

Speaker 4 And I might question who I am. Trevor, and I'll remember that moment of boycott.

Speaker 3 Boyce to man told you that, bro.

Speaker 4 So, you know what I mean? That's dope.

Speaker 3 That's real. That's real.
That's real. That's real.
And I love that.

Speaker 3 Because I have that moment, you know, where like I'm out, and someone like Kevin Hart is like,'You're dope, keep going.' Like, you know, and I'm like,'You know who I am?' That's real, yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, just little stuff.

Speaker 1 You do think about things like that.

Speaker 1 You have to stay humble and remain humble, no matter who you meet or who you're around. Yeah, yeah.
So, one last question: What do you feel like?

Speaker 1 Because I know you spoke about country, but I do also feel like, and Paul talks about that, that RB ⁇ B from back in the day, boys to men, jagged edge,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 1 all of these people, they were singing about loving a woman, wanting a woman, needing a woman. Like, where do you feel like that transition? What law? Like, what happened?

Speaker 1 And then I noticed more women like Cardi B

Speaker 1 is, you know, city girls and broke boys don't deserve no nothing. Like this whole thing.

Speaker 4 That's not a production of happiness. Let's just be real.
Even though you're saying those sentences out loud, it's like you can't possibly believe that that will bring you happiness.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 Where did the love love go? Where did love go in music? Yeah, and I'm here.

Speaker 4 I'm here to bring it back.

Speaker 3 Okay. Okay.
Even in the breakup albums, you hear the love, right? It's not, hey, F you, bitch, I'm sick.

Speaker 4 I'm dead. That's how I felt.
And also, after the breakup, I tore my Achilles. I was down, bro.
Then I had stuff. Two weeks after she broke up with me, I tore my Achilles.

Speaker 4 Then I had stomach issues while my Achilles, I was in the hospital. Then I had back issues.
I was going through everything in my life, right? Me and God was talking, right? God, what's happening?

Speaker 4 Why is this? And I have to go film Gronish in a week and I have to go be on tour. So I went on tour with the dang boot.
I was shooting Gronish with the boot on, going back.

Speaker 3 What side, left or right? Right side. Okay, because you know that correlates.

Speaker 3 You know, if you see an energy person, like if you have injuries to one side of your body, that has something to do with like kind of relationships I had to go through. For real.

Speaker 3 You should see an energy person. I didn't know that.
That has something to do with relationships.

Speaker 4 Because it was literally two weeks after.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Two weeks after.
You might have like just one side of your body going through stuff. Yeah.
It was the day after Christmas.

Speaker 4 I tore my Achilles. Day after Christmas.
I only get to see my family once a year. I was there.

Speaker 3 It's a thing. Yeah.
Tore it.

Speaker 4 But wrote this whole album in the cast. I had to keep raising my foot up because all the blood was rushing.
So I'd have to wait between verses, writing down, put my foot back up, you know.

Speaker 4 But the result is this project. And I think you can really hear it.
I hope you guys get a chance to top to bottom. And then the album release will be next week.
Hopefully, you guys can come.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That would be sick.
Of course. I would love to come.

Speaker 4 But just to hear it in its order, because the reason why I did this breakup, uh, broke up the project like that is because I did it on my last one, and it helps. You know, fans want more stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but I make albums and I make them to go in order.

Speaker 4 I'll sit there for days at a time, be like, no, this song, no, no, trade that back up, you know, so it can go through all of the stuff the way it's supposed to be done.

Speaker 1 I love how you did I Love You, EP, and then Goodbye, EP. That's really dope, actually.
Yeah, it's good, it's really good, it's vulnerable, it's open, and I feel like we need so much more of that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we need more love back. We need it, we need it back.
I'm old school, I got you. I got you.
Come on, man. Yeah, we appreciate that.

Speaker 1 So before you leave, I'm going to have you answer one of these questions with one word only.

Speaker 3 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Okay. One word.
Why do men cheat?

Speaker 3 One word.

Speaker 4 Freedom.

Speaker 1 Okay. I would say ego.

Speaker 3 One word.

Speaker 3 What did I say?

Speaker 1 You said ego too.

Speaker 1 Is that what you would say?

Speaker 3 I forgot. We did this before.
I forgot what I said.

Speaker 1 What about one word? Why women cheat?

Speaker 3 Revenge.

Speaker 3 Ooh, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 I could see that.

Speaker 1 One word: what scares you most in love?

Speaker 4 Leading.

Speaker 3 That's good.

Speaker 1 One word: what makes you lose feelings?

Speaker 3 For me, disrespect.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I was going to say,

Speaker 4 this isn't one word, but it's like lack of consideration.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, kind of the same thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I can get that.
Yeah. Now, if you had to give one word to describe I Love You Goodbye album, what would it be?

Speaker 1 You could just say your ex's name if you want.

Speaker 3 Pudooch. Yes.

Speaker 1 You'll for sure get that text.

Speaker 3 Rebirth. Ooh, I like that.

Speaker 1 If God could send you a text message right now, what would it say?

Speaker 4 Stay the course.

Speaker 3 Stay the course.

Speaker 4 Man. Stay the course.
I love that. I also don't want to know too much, right? And I found this out throughout my life.
And I saw this said one time and it stuck with me for a minute. It was like,

Speaker 4 if God told you everything you had to go through to get to what you want in life, you'd probably change what you want.

Speaker 3 Oh, I've heard that.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 4 I heard that. And I said, oh my God.

Speaker 3 That's good.

Speaker 4 And this is, I heard this after the tearing stuff. So I'm like, if God, when I was young, was like, you're going to break your leg.
You're going to go through one of the worst heartbreaks.

Speaker 4 Maybe go to three, through three heartbreaks. Who knows? Right.
Then this is going to happen. This person's going to lie.
Your best friend's going to do this.

Speaker 4 And then your friend, you know, then you're going to lose this person. And your grandma's going to, you might be like, hey, dude, I'll just go to 7-Eleven.
I can be the dude at the front.

Speaker 3 Like, you know what I mean? I can be the traffic guy. Like, I don't care.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, you might change your dream, but God, God knows. And he does it in his own time.
And I'm super thankful for it. So I just say stay the course because I don't regret anything I've done.

Speaker 4 Sure, I maybe wish I

Speaker 4 whatever, but I'm thankful for where I'm at. I'm thankful for who I am.
And I know I got a lot more to go, but the only way to lose is to stop or to give up.

Speaker 4 And I'm not that type of, I'm not cut like that.

Speaker 1 That's real.

Speaker 3 You must be a love

Speaker 3 album coming out.

Speaker 3 F did you know that?

Speaker 1 I'm good at this. We did this with Kevin Gates.

Speaker 3 How the F did she know that?

Speaker 4 And she waited till the end so she could get all the information and then use it in that second.

Speaker 3 I'm good at that. Tell me whatever.

Speaker 4 You can can ask my friends i guess every okay i need you to guess my brothers when we're done here because

Speaker 3 you will um i okay well thank you trevor please you guys awesome man you were great we're so grateful to have you we're so grateful to have you amazing um

Speaker 1 i hope my handshake wasn't too

Speaker 3 no it was strong it was a little too strong for me but not that strong

Speaker 1 Oh, you guys, Trevor has the best breakup album ever coming out. I love you.
Goodbye.

Speaker 1 If you're going through a breakup, if you're feeling down about yourself, or if you're even feeling good about yourself and you want to get back to the love and music, make sure you guys check out his I Love You EP.

Speaker 1 Goodbye, EP. And in about a week, he will be dropping

Speaker 3 goodbye.

Speaker 1 November 21st, make sure you guys tune in. It looks fire.

Speaker 1 We'll put all the information below so you guys can click everything, follow Trevor and all that.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 3 I appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 Of course. Thank you, Trevor, so much.

Speaker 3 Let's go.

Speaker 3 Got it. Paul Pierce.
Sorry, I'm so freaking out. Okay, Okay, I can do it now.

Speaker 4 The interview is over.

Speaker 3 It's Paul Pierce. So, thank you.

Speaker 3 I'm only picking him, okay? That's what it was.

Speaker 3 Thanks for joining us on Troops After Dark. Yes, appreciate y'all.
Peace.

Speaker 3 Peace.

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