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Speaker 4 Yes, yes. Welcome back to Deboy and Joe.
I'm your host, James Deboy Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Haid.
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Speaker 4 Hey, how you doing today?

Speaker 4 Today, Joe, you kind of like this or you like this? Because I'm like this. You feel me?

Speaker 4 joe you muted baby

Speaker 4 damn i'm feeling good

Speaker 4 no i'm i'm my bad i'm feeling great i'm feeling great good day good vibes i'm so happy i love your how you feeling great how you feeling great because you know it's kind of you got one that did this you got one that did this and yeah i mean what because look because i i i i know i know what we're starting the show with so I know we're starting the show with the good ones.

Speaker 4 So I'm gonna go ahead and pop up how I'm feeling. You know what I'm saying? I looked, I said, okay, if we're starting off with the Browns, I would start off with a little different energy right now.

Speaker 4 Stillers won. That's the main thing.
It's the main thing. That's what we're going to talk about.
That's the juice I'm coming from. Okay.
Okay. See, I like the synergy right here.
I like the synergy.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? You told you. I want to talk.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 I ain't going to never apologize for winning. Ain't that how it go?

Speaker 4 Never. Never.
It's too hard in the NFL.

Speaker 4 Hey, y'all, look here. I don't know if y'all heard, but

Speaker 4 still is

Speaker 4 still

Speaker 4 beat the bangle by 22, 22. If you get 21, you're supposed to get a sticks up, right?

Speaker 4 Big sticks up.

Speaker 4 Hey, look here, man. Still is still starting the thing off right, though.
They went on up in that thing.

Speaker 4 Got that ball. Hey, first down, they hit DK for five.
Second down, Jalen hit him one for five. Third down, kind of came in there, get a good old tush push.

Speaker 4 He had DK on the next one for 17, baby.

Speaker 4 And then, hey, hey, on that next second down, though,

Speaker 4 that boy Warren said, hey,

Speaker 4 35,

Speaker 4 he ain't playing with him. Can't well went on here and finished it off with an 11-yard touchdown.

Speaker 4 Hey, yes, sir. Seven,

Speaker 4 zero, seven,

Speaker 4 eight plays, seven, seven, yard, almost five minutes of work. Hey,

Speaker 4 that's what it's supposed to look like when you play in the 30 seconds. That's exactly what it's supposed to look like, Debo.

Speaker 4 That terrible defense, they made him look like they were supposed to.

Speaker 4 That's what you do. That's what I was expecting.
I was supposed to do. Hey,

Speaker 4 still, let's get on out there, man.

Speaker 4 First play. TJ wrapped that boy up.
Negative one. Yep.
Negative. Dropping for a loss.

Speaker 4 Hey, Pierre was hitting all night.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 4 We're going to talk about him. We're going to talk about him throughout this segment.
And then we got to. He was.
No game.

Speaker 4 And then on third and 11, we do what we do. See, we give him just enough.
11.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm talking about right there, Debo. We did what we had to do, but on this third down, guys, we got to drop to the sticks.
If it's third and 11, why do we drop 13 yards?

Speaker 4 We drop 11 yards because we know they're going to run. They're going to have to, they're gonna they're running sticks patterns so that's just like we get to the position where we need it

Speaker 4 stop like stop dropping so deep simple for sure for sure they end up being able to stay a little ahead of the sticks the next few downs whatever it is and then on second down

Speaker 4 we jumped off sides

Speaker 4 so that kind of gave them the opportunity to have that that short, you know, they go past it or run it.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 they hit us for 15, bro, on a run. Listen, the whole D-line on that play was three yards back.

Speaker 4 They got pushed three yards back, bro. Look at that play.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Jalen came up, made the short tackle. They still got 15 out of it.
And then I believe, what was it, the next

Speaker 4 we get some pressure on it, but I think it was like a 28-yard touchdown to Higgins. Yeah, he didn't have no pressure on that one.

Speaker 4 He was sitting there waiting because Higgins ran a damn drag route, which turned into a

Speaker 4 one he had all day.

Speaker 4 Yeah, all day on that one. So he was sitting there patting the ball, patting the ball, so he was able to turn up.
Yeah, so now we 7-7.

Speaker 4 So now we're 7-7, man. And

Speaker 4 I'm thinking, like, what, what, you know, what the freak is going on? Like,

Speaker 4 oh, but then they went on head and tried to go for two points because they got a penalty, yeah,

Speaker 4 yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 So they go for the two

Speaker 4 rough the holder, they miss it. That was a good hit on that one, too, though.
That was there,

Speaker 4 that was good, that was a good hit on that one, too.

Speaker 4 Man, is that the direct snap? Thought it was sweet, caught it right in the hole. Fam, we get the rock back.

Speaker 4 I think it was like uh, what was it, that second and eight gangwell hit him with that one hand like smooth

Speaker 4 went on on ahead, got the first down. And then I think it was like second and 10, we jumped off sides.
And then we go on ahead, get the fourth and one.

Speaker 4 Connor does his thing. You know, we're able to make it up, you know, make the first down, but we end up stalling out and

Speaker 4 got a punt the rock. I don't even know how we stall out on the defense that bad, bro.
I ain't even lie.

Speaker 4 That's what I wasn't understanding that part, too. I thought we was going to be able to just walk it down the field, take advantage of that defense.

Speaker 4 The rank 32, they was kind of getting some stops on the field and then like even the offense they get the ball back first down they they hit us with five yards you know so now they're staying ahead of the change third down chase ended up getting i think 10 or something like that yeah the next third down you know it was incomplete dude that roughing was weak

Speaker 4 That was

Speaker 4 the TJ was, you say he fell in with full body. He was falling on the side.
And he hit the ball.

Speaker 4 did you see the other game where dude just made a straight up clean tackle like just if you tackle it which one i think it was um la

Speaker 4 uh or was it the chargers one or the other it was i think the chargers dude clean good tackle on the quarterback i mean shoulder to the side all that no head no nothing he landed down tackled him if it's a hard hit on the quarterback now they they just they just want to throw

Speaker 4 you can't do that

Speaker 4 it's already hard enough it's already hard enough to get to the quarterback and then they're saying when you're falling into him you're hitting them you're tackling them low you can't like if you're stumbling to him as a defensive lineman you just can't touch him now like you can't just hit his leg

Speaker 4 it was a clean like form tackle on the other cat dude like clean i mean

Speaker 4 i could see what they're trying to say because you know how you scoop a guy in trying to get him down but yeah like you want us to make sure that we put our hands out to protect him, but you got to make sure you shore that tackle too.

Speaker 4 Because what if he stays up long enough to throw it before you get him down? They don't understand that, though. They don't understand.

Speaker 4 They ended up giving him a first down. Again, the next play,

Speaker 4 we go ahead and give her five yards, like keeping them ahead. But they end up getting a false start.
And boy, on that third down, who was there, man?

Speaker 4 Who was there on that third down, man?

Speaker 4 James Pierre.

Speaker 4 Man to man.

Speaker 4 And the good part was, they talking about something. His other hand,

Speaker 4 he's just touching them, making sure that when he jumps, he's making sure he touches the ball, hits it. and just in case he got a grab, because

Speaker 4 you got to secure the tackle. So he's not grabbing them or holding them down.
He's just placing his hand right there, making sure that if I do miss this ball, now I can secure the tackle.

Speaker 4 Beautiful play.

Speaker 4 The DBs played clean all night. I ain't gonna lie to you, man.
I don't even think we got a penalty this week, dude.

Speaker 4 No, I don't think so. No, not at all.
We end up forcing them to punt and get the ball back, and we go with three and out.

Speaker 4 Like, bro,

Speaker 4 three and out. That ain't something that you do against a 32nd ranked defense.
That's just, that's just not something you do. The first play, though,

Speaker 4 when the Bengals got the ball back,

Speaker 4 I think that's when they had,

Speaker 4 you know, a little, that's when the issue built up right there with Ramsey letting know, man, listen, you ain't coming across here nowhere and having any touch on the ball, whether you catch it or not.

Speaker 4 I'm going to make sure you feel me. I love that safety, man.
We need that. We need that.
Yes. Yes.
Jalen was balling, bro. I mean, he's playing the safety position, coming downhill.

Speaker 4 And, you know, as a corner, you can see

Speaker 4 he's faster. But as a safety, things are happening.
You know what's developing in front of you. And I love the home to

Speaker 4 see the whole field. And he knows concepts.
He's coming in there and laying the wood. I love that.
He came and saved. Yeah, we ended up forcing the three out and dude, we hitting.

Speaker 4 Like the DBs is hitting, dog.

Speaker 4 They up there. They don't want to head and put their foot in the ground.
They laying wood. You know what I'm saying? Yes.
dude it's nice nice

Speaker 4 you'll decide back out there though we lose we lose a yard on the first on the first first down run

Speaker 4 again to the worst run defense in the league but you know

Speaker 4 that that guy fryer move

Speaker 4 yes hey he gave that db that work oh snap them sight boy them sight then started getting activated for sure for sure. For sure.

Speaker 4 And then they got, I think Rogers ended up missing old dude

Speaker 4 on that first down, though. And then we got sacked on the second.
We ended up punting.

Speaker 4 No, heck no. This is when we get to know.

Speaker 4 This when Mount Washington started going crazy. No, I don't think that was it.
That might be the next one, buddy.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 Because that was when they ended up still, I mean,

Speaker 4 Bengals get the ball back. And I think it was like a third and six.
We ended up giving up 17. And then that next third down, I think is when

Speaker 4 Duggar dropped that pick six. He could have had.

Speaker 4 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, and

Speaker 4 they end up punting the ball. And they came back around to him, but we get to that, babe.
We get to that, man.

Speaker 4 Still, let's get out there, man. Hey, Aaron Rogers said, he ain't that old, man.
He went on ahead on that third down, man. He went on on head scrambling for a good one now

Speaker 4 that man that man better get down you saw his chest strap fell off and everything he usually want chest strap man you know old school man old school man

Speaker 4 single single button yeah we able to you know they get a pi on that on that first down and then like we give it back to him dk ends up getting a pi but they come on here give it back to us they get a roughing you know what i'm saying that that's when that man washington hey hey he went on head got 31.

Speaker 4 listen he just stitched armed the first dude into hell that was all that was

Speaker 4 the second dude hey he made he made a business decision man

Speaker 4 second dude could have just pushed him out of listen he did not want to get in front of that he made a business decision okay and the third dude he just little boyed him that's how you play with your kid what you doing get out of here

Speaker 4 Yeah, the third dude, I felt bad because he just trying to, he's trying to punch the ball out, like getting in the way got speed bombed so that

Speaker 4 that jump was just disrespectful game well came back went on here for a high 12 dude and we got another roughing the quarterback listen i understand like you got to protect the quarterbacks and i want to protect mine but he hit like the middle of his back bottom of his back butt hot top of his butt like

Speaker 4 Yeah, we got it. I ain't tripping, but being a defensive player, like it's getting

Speaker 4 honest. Just being honest.
It's getting out of control. We end up, bro.
We end up, what was it? First in goal at the nine

Speaker 4 and have to settle for three points against the worst defense in the NFL. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That, that,

Speaker 4 that's bad ball.

Speaker 4 And that's, that's supposed to be, that's supposed to be damn near routes on air. We got enough talent.

Speaker 4 We got Aaron Rodgers at the the quarterback standing right there we need to score dude the one play i've seen four of us within like a a a a a 10 yard circle in the end zone at the same spot

Speaker 4 not spacing

Speaker 4 we don't and i thought i know we always run what's the uh thing that we would do um

Speaker 4 seven shots so i know like what are the do you gotta have some plays set up to be in the red zone like whatever man i ain't tripping i'm tripping but i ain't tripping you 6'10 at the half

Speaker 4 you know we winning winning i ain't tripping i ain't i'm tripping but i ain't tripping you know what i'm saying

Speaker 4 bro

Speaker 4 first down

Speaker 4 beginning of the third quarter we let brown explosive

Speaker 4 explosive 35 bro

Speaker 4 what

Speaker 4 yeah hold up and then

Speaker 4 I think it ended up being a little while later, like second and five, six, something like that, we gave him, he was six, seven. We gave him enough to get it.

Speaker 4 We gave him enough to get it.

Speaker 4 You know, we end up holding the next three plays after that. Force a field goal.

Speaker 4 I mean, we don't give it a 35. We don't even have to force a field.
But anyway, dude,

Speaker 4 it's nine to 10. A

Speaker 4 and this,

Speaker 4 I think, is when I

Speaker 4 find out

Speaker 4 that Rogers is out the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 in comes my dog. In comes my dog, Mason.

Speaker 4 Good old.

Speaker 4 I ain't gonna lie to you. I was nervous.

Speaker 4 I was more nervous than a hooker in church. I ain't gonna lie to you, baby.

Speaker 4 See,

Speaker 4 I believed.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I believed. I believe.

Speaker 4 You know, we get up out there, man. First down, we get a nice five, keeping it good, you know.

Speaker 4 Second down,

Speaker 4 we get a second and i think it was two we only get like what was it one or something like that

Speaker 4 maybe we got the first but that no that was uh that was the play that jalen uh warren he got hurt dude like oh yeah with his aim like he looked like oyd it looked crazy listen here bro no we got this this play right here bro is a prime example while why every nfl team should have grass that is turf his foot don't slide and cut through that turf.

Speaker 4 It don't move. It totally sneaks there.
His foot don't slide through it.

Speaker 4 Everything is young.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 4 Debo, you speaking facts about that, brother. That's for sure.
If it wasn't for that, his whole thing could have his whole knee would have been,

Speaker 4 it wouldn't have slept.

Speaker 4 The cleats wouldn't have cut through the grass, cut through the grain. You know what I'm saying? Like, man.
And that little bit that it did was enough to save him. Obviously, he was back out there.

Speaker 4 Third and 11 hit Wilson, I think it was for 17.

Speaker 4 Man, that's, but listen here. Then we can't skip that.
We can't skip that because

Speaker 4 as a backup quarterback coming into the game, you were worried. You know what I'm saying? You just said you're, here comes Mason.
It's third and 11. What you going to do?

Speaker 4 He standed tall in the pocket and dropped a dime to Wilson on that seven route. Like chilling.
You know what I'm saying? And that could just calm everybody's nerves. I know it calmed my nerves.

Speaker 4 It calmed like this. That's what I'm talking about, Mason.
That's how you step in there. It wasn't going this like just running game.
It's third and 11. What you gonna do?

Speaker 4 You're gonna just look flazzled? You're gonna look flustered, or you're gonna make a pass.

Speaker 4 So I'd like to just say, for him, you know what I'm saying, watching, I know with just people just shaky, what it's gonna look like.

Speaker 4 Stand in that joint, drop a dime on third and long, you know what I'm saying, as soon as you come in, it can calm down a lot of people and get some, get some vibes going. I know it did for me.

Speaker 4 Oh, no question. Then the third down, I'm thinking we got a catch.
They get they get DK on the PI.

Speaker 4 um i ain't gonna lie i'm not upset with that even though i am upset with it as defensive person i'm not upset with it like at some point you know

Speaker 4 yeah dk you got to be a little more subtle just a little he's he's he's strong as a mug and he's double hand pushing you need to go chicken wing you know what i'm saying you're strong enough to where he's stay keep him close to you the ball's coming you see it huh and then you can go up and get it so like receivers are really good at just doing this instead of doing double obviously we know you this is still pushing off this is affecting me just as much as this is right you know what what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 As a DB, just wait till it comes, boom, and you're going up. And you can't really tell nothing, but it's a way you got to be subtle with it.
Instead of you put two hands on me, you're pushing off.

Speaker 4 Now, obviously, I can't get back and make a play. That's a pass interference.
But if you chicken wing me, you still push me off, but like, I gotta smack that. It is what it is.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? Just little something, yeah, yeah. Hey, man, don't be off

Speaker 4 on that third 17, though. Hey, he made

Speaker 4 that's what mount. That's the one you're talking about.
Hey, if that boy wasn't so tall, we we might have been shooting because buddy had it.

Speaker 4 He didn't he reached, he reached a good eight yards, body length. Yeah, they done already seen what he did the previous, you know, to the to the other three DBs.

Speaker 4 That boy was just holding on for life, like, yo, let me just hold them boys. Went low, let me just hold on for life.
I'm just trying. I'm just trying.

Speaker 4 Hey, Mason went, I think, on the next two, the first and the second down hit DK for both, on both of them for nine each one.

Speaker 4 Yep. Hey,

Speaker 4 marching it down there. Taking time off the clock.
Chilling. You know what I'm saying? Doing what a quarterback's supposed to do.
We get seven yards on that next first down and stall out again.

Speaker 4 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 4 We still couldn't get no points there.

Speaker 4 We got points. We got a field goal, but we won touchdown.
That's so bad. That would have topped it.
That would have topped it.

Speaker 4 That would have finished them off. Yo.
Bangles get back out there. Hey, again, on that second down,

Speaker 4 hey, the boy Ramsey came on up down that thing, bad. Put that on him, made him say, get that ball up.

Speaker 4 Get that ball up. And then on third and 10, we give up 15 because of Miss Tax.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Trying to just bump people.

Speaker 4 I don't know what that is. I don't know what it is.
Wrap them up. You got to wrap up.
We got to wrap up.

Speaker 4 And then on the second down, I think Higgins got, what, about 15 on that one.

Speaker 4 Like on the on, and then the next one,

Speaker 4 my guy came through, though. My guy came through.
Here we go. Here we go.

Speaker 4 We in Bidow Break. We in the spice.
Did we in the spice?

Speaker 4 Tip.

Speaker 4 You know what? I don't even know what happened on that next third down. I guess I must have fell asleep.
You tell me, Joe. What happened on that next play after TJ? tipped that ball.

Speaker 4 I don't know what happened. You tell me.

Speaker 4 Was it a pick? Was it a pick six?

Speaker 4 Was it a pick six? The digger sitting right in the spot that he needed to be.

Speaker 4 I ran that thing all the way back. Hey, hey, it was a return

Speaker 4 for a touchdown. It was beautiful.
Dunger said, Hey, I made it. I missed that one.
I missed that one, but I ain't go miss this one.

Speaker 4 Great. Great play.

Speaker 4 Great play.

Speaker 4 Pick six. You thought it was sweet.
You thought it was going to be sweet over here.

Speaker 4 We dropped people into the hole right there to make sure.

Speaker 4 And you threw it straight to him. Leverage everybody outside.
Funnel them inside.

Speaker 4 Hit him in the chest. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You

Speaker 4 pick six.

Speaker 4 Everybody get lucky once in a while. That last game you played, Joe.
You got lucky. You hear me? You got lucky.

Speaker 4 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 That defense stood up, brother. That defense was standing up.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They was giving up some runs, like you said, but you know, Benba don't break. Obviously,

Speaker 4 they get 9 to 20. Hey, Joe, it's 9 to 20.
Now we score.

Speaker 4 Okay. First play out the gate.
Bengals get the ball back.

Speaker 4 They get paid too. We give up 22.

Speaker 4 We give up 22. And then

Speaker 4 we stop them balls on the third one.

Speaker 4 And Ramsey gets a PI, gets a personal file.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 he

Speaker 4 gets

Speaker 4 tossed out the game. Now, listen, I don't know what happened at that time, but I'm going to tell you what I'm saying to my son.
And I'm going to apologize to you, Ramsey. Off rip right now.

Speaker 4 We'll get to the whole subject later after we get done with this. But

Speaker 4 I'm like, oh, my God.

Speaker 4 I can't believe this man just hit this man for no reason.

Speaker 4 And my son is like, well, you know, he did that and he didn't know. No, listen, it's nothing he could have said to him that would have made him.

Speaker 4 I'm like, it's nothing, dude. I'm like, I'm like, he is selfish.
He is putting himself ahead of the team. I'm giving all that right to my son.
I got to get some good advice. I got to let him know.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure.
But at the same time, I am pissed because that gave him a first down, right? Right. But like I said, I don't know none of the other stuff.

Speaker 4 So we're going to move forward from here. They're able to stay ahead of the change for longer.

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Speaker 4 her big.

Speaker 4 Everybody's calling her big.

Speaker 4 Big came in with that big sack.

Speaker 4 We ended up liking him. We end up making them settle for a fear, though.

Speaker 4 That dude's a baller. Stepping there for Ismail.

Speaker 4 Don't lose the beat. 20 to 12.

Speaker 4 Now, look.

Speaker 4 Look.

Speaker 4 I ain't going to lie to you.

Speaker 4 I'm just nervous because there's a lot of time left. And I'm like, yo,

Speaker 4 offense,

Speaker 4 all I need y'all to do is burn some clock.

Speaker 4 Burn the clock. And you know what they did for your boy? They did one battle.
They did more than that. They did one battle, brother.

Speaker 4 They put together 12 plays, 65 yards, six minute touchdown drive, brother.

Speaker 4 Hey, Mason

Speaker 4 on that one. He went 674, even after we had got a 15-yard face match.

Speaker 4 Brother, that's a lot of, and you know, at the same time, that's a lot of yak.

Speaker 4 That's a lot of game well catching and making people miss and getting yards after the catch because some of those you know it was some dump downs but game well being able to make moves you got to be able to see the dump down now you got to make sure that no no no no no no no no no no no no no it's still your responsibility to do it

Speaker 4 i'm not taking away from mason rudolph at all i'm loving the fact that he was able to make the dump off too i'm just saying it's a team sport and we got players making plays him getting it into the playmaker's hands.

Speaker 4 I'm geeked.

Speaker 4 I would speak. I'm a Mason Rudolph fan.
So I'm saying he's doing doing exactly what I was hoping for and what you were hoping for, yes, sir. And it happened right in front of our eyes, evo.

Speaker 4 Hey, mount the bongos, get back out there. Hey,

Speaker 4 force what we do on defense, Joe.

Speaker 4 Man, we're opportunistic. We do, Joe, we

Speaker 4 create turnovers, we get interceptions, we get strip sacks, and we strip people of the ball

Speaker 4 and we score. Score,

Speaker 4 my man, Pierre in a scoop

Speaker 4 come to the house. TD 34.
Yeah, I touched down to the house.

Speaker 4 With a front flip. With a front flip, he could have landed on his

Speaker 4 almost could have.

Speaker 4 He got scared. He ain't know if he was going to rotate all the way through and hit his face.
I need a little bit more rotation. He got scared.
He was trying to find the ground.

Speaker 4 34 to 12, you know.

Speaker 4 Hey, man, the game basically over, man. It ain't nothing, but like, what is it, a little over three minutes left?

Speaker 4 They, look, the little dead balls, they marched down there, but guess what? At the end of the day, who ended it again?

Speaker 4 Pierre almost had another pick.

Speaker 4 Fourth and one. You want to throw a little bit of over there? Pier almost played.

Speaker 4 Stop playing. Game over.
Ball.

Speaker 4 Game over. Listen here, man.

Speaker 4 We the Pittsburgh stars.

Speaker 4 This is what we do. Now, let's go on here.

Speaker 4 Hey, I ain't going to sit here and make like we ain't got no problems.

Speaker 4 While the defense did perform better, oh, especially the DBs. Like these dudes was hitting.
They was playing clean. You understand?

Speaker 4 And they're going to have to hit and tackle

Speaker 4 because looking at this dude, just looking at how we're lined up, what we're doing, who has to do what.

Speaker 4 These DBs are going to actually have to tackle like linebackers, dude. The defensive line, for the most part, is consistently getting pushed back.

Speaker 4 Like I told you before, I saw the one play where the whole D-line was at least three yards back, but nobody nowhere else. Like

Speaker 4 the defense,

Speaker 4 from me looking at it, dude, it's no way it's gap sound, it's no way they're gapped out properly. I'm seeing things that's impossible to even gap out just from how you're lined up.
So

Speaker 4 from a just alignment assignment,

Speaker 4 it is adequately trash.

Speaker 4 I'll ask you this about the D-line then with the one game. What do you think would make it different when they played against the Colts? Because we've seen that they can do it.

Speaker 4 They did it for Jonathan Taylor, the best running, you know what I'm saying, the best running back in the league.

Speaker 4 Why do you think that it worked so good that game? Because they showed us, you know what I'm saying, that they can do it. You know what I'm saying? So, like, why do you think it's just game by game?

Speaker 4 Consistently, we do not do well on the D-line.

Speaker 4 That has been day one period we've been getting pushed off the ball either here or there and when you have a guy that it's nowhere where our whole d line is playing on their side of the line it's nowhere where you know on a consistent basis i'll say where our whole d line is is you know they're they're they're trying to the deep the offensive lineman is trying to operate from a yard deep they're getting our ground okay the best that we I have seen is we get a stalemate or we get a guy here or there that penetrates through the line.

Speaker 4 And sometimes they still make it through because that creates a vertical hole. You got this guy who actually did his job.
He's a yard deep, but you got this dude right here who's two yards.

Speaker 4 He's getting pushed back. Yeah, the vertical hole

Speaker 4 through.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 like

Speaker 4 I said, just the alignment assignment as it is instructed from the defense itself. Like,

Speaker 4 Yes, a man has to whoop a man, but I'm looking at this. And from an alignment assignment standpoint, you're asking a man to whoop a man and then whoop another man too.
He got to two men.

Speaker 4 Like, it's that's not. Yeah.
So you think it's something wrong with the defense, period. It's not.
I got you. The D coordinator needs something, something ain't right.

Speaker 4 It ain't. It's too many times I'm seeing a guy do the same thing.
And if he's doing the same thing and you still keep him out there.

Speaker 4 The dude behind him got to be horribly trash or he's doing what he's supposed to do, which don't look like it's supposed to be done because we keep getting hit

Speaker 4 no i i i see what you're saying with the running game it's just too many times where it's explosive plays too many gaps too many verka holes not even explosive plays all the time it is consistency dude the the running back almost had 100 on 18 carries bro that's oh yeah no that's what i'm saying

Speaker 4 No, that's what I'm saying. It's supposed to play.
It's just 10, these like 10-yard runs. Anything over a 10-yard run is explosive.

Speaker 4 I'm like, they're busting, getting first-yard runs on first down, running for damn near a first down, like 12-yard carries, 15-yard carries, and then they'll bust out one for 30-something.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? Eventually, if they break too many breaker tackles

Speaker 4 in the secondary, but I'm with you a thousand percent on that. I think the good thing is with the defense, our secondary, like you said, stepped up a whole lot.
And it's just a lot of things is with

Speaker 4 situationally better. Third down.
Situationally. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 With the long long third downs so i would say the first third down when queen we just got to get our situation it's third and 11.

Speaker 4 don't drop back past 11 don't drop to 13 drop to 11 where your feet are meshed on the sticks so you can react down and make sure they drop it short or you can make a play on the ball then on the so on the third and six the man to man some ones they're going to get rub routes but on the long ones we need to be situationally aware to where we're dropping to the sticks and making sure they can come back down and make those plays uh the run game like you said i i've seen them do it So I know that they can.

Speaker 4 I just think that that's every man, whooping man. And when you're saying sometimes alignment, sometimes schemes might be a little off.
I'm seeing stuff where it can't be filled.

Speaker 4 You don't have enough people there to fill the gaps that are available.

Speaker 4 So that means

Speaker 4 you got somebody that got a whoop two

Speaker 4 that

Speaker 4 shouldn't be the case. That shouldn't be the case.
That shouldn't be the case.

Speaker 4 That shouldn't make no sense.

Speaker 4 The offense, though, hey,

Speaker 4 they just got to improve all, all, all over. 30-second rate defense.
And

Speaker 4 that's what we get. Like,

Speaker 4 I'm not,

Speaker 4 they didn't, they didn't, yeah, you know, they didn't look like a 30-second rate defense, you know. I mean, but hey,

Speaker 4 what'd they say? I ain't never gonna apologize for winning, baby.

Speaker 4 I ain't never gonna apologize for winning. I ain't gonna never apologize for winning, baby.

Speaker 4 Now, look here, man. That's a fact.

Speaker 4 They ejected. Hey, Ramsey, I told you I was gonna go apart.
I gotta apologize to you.

Speaker 4 They

Speaker 4 ejected my guy Ramsey for punching. And I'm like, this got to be the illest brother in Nebraska for just taking off on this man.
But

Speaker 4 hey, Jamar said

Speaker 4 he didn't spin on him.

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 we got that. Listen, we got that.

Speaker 6 What do you think property the reaction from him?

Speaker 6 Um, well, you don't like some of the stories I told him. We've been going back and forth the whole time, so I'm sure some shit something got under his skin.

Speaker 4 He said something got under the skin. He ain't did nothing to that guy.
He said he ain't opened his mouth to that guy. But you know what's so crazy, man? I mean, the eye in the sky don't lie.

Speaker 4 It's about 1,000,000. 50,000 cameras are, and you got other people.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 855, 75K, 50 million K, 30,000, 34, 50. Hey, it's more cameras in this game now

Speaker 4 than you've ever had in the history of the world. Hey, now

Speaker 4 I know I'm older than you and my vision going, but tell me if you can see

Speaker 4 what I saw. Can you please show the video?

Speaker 4 Yes, let me check.

Speaker 4 Smith,

Speaker 4 Smith,

Speaker 4 a lot, a big,

Speaker 4 right? Yep. Yep.

Speaker 4 It don't matter.

Speaker 4 It wasn't like I was talking and, you know, but you know how you be talking and something just fly like BC when he talk.

Speaker 4 Just fly out. Yeah,

Speaker 4 Dang, did the motherfucker just

Speaker 4 say that? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 It wasn't to say it, don't spread it. And tried to do the slope, bro.

Speaker 4 You spit on that man. Listen, it ain't nothing more disrespectful than spitting on somebody.
This stuff,

Speaker 4 dude, Jalen,

Speaker 4 you better than me. I would have still been trying to get him.
And listen, I don't even think this is going to stop here. If you spit on me, I'm going to find out where you're at in the offseason.

Speaker 4 Period. It's no other way.

Speaker 4 NFL, y'all need to make an example of this cat and give him full six games to let these dudes know. Cause this is really something that can spill off of the field on into the offseason, dude.
Like,

Speaker 4 even if I can't beat you, if you're a mix of John Jones, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali all together.

Speaker 4 Bruh, everybody got somebody.

Speaker 4 If I don't do nothing else, but have somebody lay on you for two weeks, find out where you go going to offseason, where you go to kick it, and all of a sudden it was a random attack.

Speaker 4 Somebody in a ski mask slapped so-and-so on the head with a bottle as he was leaving, whatever.

Speaker 4 I got to get my.

Speaker 4 I'm dead serious, bro.

Speaker 4 I know, I know you are.

Speaker 4 I know you are,

Speaker 4 I mean, that's not me now. I ain't gonna lie.
That might still.

Speaker 4 This,

Speaker 4 you know, it's that's you. That's not you right now.
That's not you right now. I hope it was.

Speaker 4 I hope it ain't.

Speaker 4 I hope it ain't.

Speaker 4 Don't nobody.

Speaker 4 Hey, look.

Speaker 4 Don't

Speaker 4 find out. Don't nobody try to find out.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I got to lose everything.

Speaker 4 This is what I have to say on the situation. One thing is when the freak did it become cool to start spitting on people.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Like we always say, keep your hands to yourself, keep your feet to yourself, treat people the way you want to be treated.

Speaker 4 Slapping somebody, open hand smacks all this stuff is nothing is more disrespectful than spitting somebody yo like this it's like the best time this year

Speaker 4 it's and like it's not cool it's disgusting you know i'm saying it's very very disrespectful and it's just something that shouldn't be in the league i love jamar chase great player amazing receiver my favorite receiver in the league but what the makes it cool that and then go on the line about it we're blatant on 4k everybody sees what the hell's going on everybody sees the situation jalen Lambs, you had every right to do exactly what you did.

Speaker 4 And like Debo's situation.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? But like,

Speaker 4 that's just disgusting. And I hate seeing like people keep doing it.
Like, oh, yeah, they went ahead. Spit on.
Like, what are we doing? You know what I'm saying? I don't, I just don't watch this

Speaker 4 live. Like,

Speaker 4 they ain't going to find you. There you go.
Like, that's like people who steal and think they ain't going to get caught. They got five.

Speaker 4 cameras pointed at you right now and you think you cupped it in your hand. No, they saw you grab it, and it never left your hand to get back on the shelf.
They saw the spit fly out of your mouth.

Speaker 4 Like, come on.

Speaker 4 We got the footage. That's you, and you got the Jamar Chase.
It says Chase on the back of your jersey. You got your helmet on.
As you looking at the other

Speaker 4 guy, the assailant that said Jalen Ramsey, he says you spit on him. Did you? No.
No. All right.
We'll go to the

Speaker 4 little kid.

Speaker 4 You lying like a little kid, man. That's a shame, man.
You're a wrong man. You lying like a little kid.
You got caught.

Speaker 4 You lying like a little kid.

Speaker 4 You scared. What?

Speaker 4 No, for sure. Cause you know you did wrong.
You know, you wrong.

Speaker 4 Dude.

Speaker 4 I'm up here hot. Like, yo, Ramsey, you done went on here and did this for no reason.
You done, you done put us in jeopardy. Like now, no.

Speaker 4 Listen, I see why they couldn't get him off. They wouldn't have been able to get me off the field.

Speaker 4 The locker room that they at for our locker room is directly right there. I'd be like, yo, I'm leaving.
I'd have been sitting in his locker under something waiting

Speaker 4 and especially i know why jalen was sitting there because he liked this he spit on me and now this because this was the first the first thing they had the first little scuffle they talk and they get the people so they both have the warning and now when i see jalen still off on i'm like dang and jamar chase didn't even move his arm i'm like man you let he did something to add

Speaker 4 i know but i'm thinking it's just words at that time for sure same thing that i was thinking at the same point so now we're looking at it, but then Jalen, for him not to want to go off the field, he like this

Speaker 4 could just spit on me, and now y'all kicking me out of the game. I'm not going nowhere till he leaves the field.
Like, I got spit on, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Obviously, I'm going to spazz and retaliate, but like, nah, he then he's sitting there like acting like nothing happened. But Chase was like, Just, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 4 I'm like, yeah, you know, of course, you good.

Speaker 4 Telling you, you chilling,

Speaker 4 yep, yep, yep, anyway, man. But hey,

Speaker 4 that's what we do, man. You know, we go win, win, win, no matter what.
You know,

Speaker 4 hey, man.

Speaker 4 I'm going to tell you right now, man, I 100%

Speaker 4 think that the Browns just

Speaker 4 hate the Stillers so much, they're willing to kill themselves.

Speaker 4 What happened?

Speaker 4 With your

Speaker 4 Browns, Joe.

Speaker 4 Did you watch the game? I can't say I watched the game.

Speaker 4 I can't say they got a legal formation, you know, when they went for that fourth for one even though after they made it i can't say that they got a field goal off that i can't say a lot of things but did you i mean you tell me what happened yo

Speaker 4 everything you said happened exactly like act right uh the thing is the sometimes the just the browns offense like you said when you're not that

Speaker 4 when you don't have too much when you're not just abundance of talent you can't do you have to do little things right you can't hurt yourself you can't be setting up penalties so long story short like you said, Debo, first drive,

Speaker 4 we get it down to get ready to go for the fourth, fourth and one. We go for it.
We convert it. And we are in an illegal formation.
Like somebody's covered up.

Speaker 4 That's what bad teams do. You're expecting.
You're supposed to plan for this, practice for this, knowing these situations. Knowing you're going to be in this,

Speaker 4 this is our short yard of the situation. This man needs to be on the line.
This person needs to be off the line. You know what I'm saying? So that happened.
Punt the ball. Starts off bad.
So get Debo.

Speaker 4 I know you, I know you found it.

Speaker 4 What are you talking about? I'm just trying to hear. You know, just, you know, just give me a synopsis, baby.
You know what I'm saying? You know, what happened next? Did anybody

Speaker 4 score?

Speaker 4 I think the game was started off 3-0. I don't know.
I didn't watch it.

Speaker 4 Ravens got a field field goal because then Miles Garrett,

Speaker 4 we bin, but don't break.

Speaker 4 They got some runs, they got down there. Miles got a sack, his first sack of the day.
Well, you're going to hear about that a lot throughout the day. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 So they ended up getting three.

Speaker 4 Browns get the ball back.

Speaker 4 13-yard run. Starts off right.
Jukins. You know what I'm saying? Juckins again.
This is when we started just handing the ball to Juckins. Jukins started running the ball good.

Speaker 4 We did some Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 4 once in a while. Go ahead.
Well, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Dylan Gabriel, he has a chance to do

Speaker 4 he does a rollout. So then the first time we passed it with Dylan Gabriel, he just on the out route just throws the ball out of bounds.
Did y'all get a touchdown?

Speaker 4 I'm no, we didn't get a touchdown. We got a field goal.
Okay. Oh, so it's 3-3.
Okay.

Speaker 4 We got a field goal. It's 3-3.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Go ahead, Joe.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 We get it to the Ravens. Great coverage, defense doing what they, doing what they normally do.

Speaker 4 They punt.

Speaker 4 Browns get the ball back.

Speaker 4 But a punt, right? What happened? What happened?

Speaker 4 What happened on the...

Speaker 4 I want to get to a punt.

Speaker 4 What happened on the,

Speaker 4 what happened on the punt where?

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I heard somebody was on the six-yard line

Speaker 4 and they only got a field goal from it.

Speaker 4 That's what it told me. The Ravens, this is when this is when I started telling you two: the Ravens was trying to help us out a little bit.

Speaker 4 Our special teams ball, when they punted the ball off, they fumbled it, and we get the ball at the six-yard line.

Speaker 4 You got a touchdown?

Speaker 4 We don't get

Speaker 4 no, we don't score

Speaker 4 first down. We first, we don't get, we don't, we ain't saying what they did to that dog.

Speaker 4 What you, what, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 You get a field goal. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 So then punt the ball off. I mean, we kicked the ball off.
Ravens get it.

Speaker 4 What do they do, Debal?

Speaker 4 What do the Ravens do? Ravens went on here and said, hey, let us spot your seven more. We don't care.
Here, interception touchdown. Here.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 Here. They gave it to you.
They like to make it tough because they know if they go ahead and play you up front and don't give you a lead, it ain't going to be entertaining for the fans

Speaker 4 off the easy and then what they do immediately after that when they got that ball back though

Speaker 4 they said we don't want y'all to think you're actually doing this on your own we helping you they went on here scored the touchdown

Speaker 4 they said we're gonna keep it within three hey and let most we're gonna let y'all do is six ever you know what i'm saying

Speaker 4 What's it score now? 13-10? 10 right now. And then they say, hey,

Speaker 4 let's make it exciting again. They let y'all get a field goal, man.
They let y'all get a field goal, you know.

Speaker 4 And then on top of that, they said, We ain't gonna even score on that next possession. We're gonna go into halftime and we're gonna let you boys go ahead and be up.

Speaker 4 I don't know why we started calling timeouts before the half, like we were like our offense was about to do something.

Speaker 4 I don't know what, I don't know what he was thinking. So, that, yeah, that just threw me all the way off.
Dylan wasn't.

Speaker 4 All right, let's go. So second half.
Hey, man, I ain't going to lie to you, man. It wasn't nothing.
You know, it wasn't nothing but a little bit of a punt fest, you know, going back and forth there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and then Shador came in there.

Speaker 4 So, yeah.

Speaker 4 Shador came in. So, can we start the third? Yes.

Speaker 4 Shador came in when they started the third. So this is when, let's get to, so we're 16-10 halftime, right?

Speaker 4 Ravens get the ball. Miles Garrett comes in there, gets a tackle for loss.
Then he gets a sack, his fourth sack of the day. Then the Ravens got a punch.
100 sacks, it ain't gonna matter.

Speaker 4 All right, look. So then Shador comes in there.
I get very excited. I'm happy.
I want to go. I hope.
I'm hoping that he comes out there and does well. But at the same time,

Speaker 4 he hasn't practiced. We're going to get to when he hasn't practiced.
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Speaker 4 Go ahead, go ahead, man. You give me a lot of excuses.
I'm just hoping that.

Speaker 4 He ain't no, not off. I mean, it still not off the rip.

Speaker 4 Not off the rip. I mean,

Speaker 4 not off the rip. He was out there.
He got a strip. He got strip sacked, and they had to punch on his first drive.
The Ravens get the ball back.

Speaker 4 They get the fourth and eight.

Speaker 4 What's up? Listen, at least Lamar gave it right back to you. right after that yeah okay so yeah we screwed up scratch okay

Speaker 4 yes Shador second series. Shador's second drive.

Speaker 4 First and 10. Jucking slips and falls.
Second down.

Speaker 4 Incomplete pass. Corner jumped around.

Speaker 4 Third and 10. Third and 10.

Speaker 4 I don't know if it was, if he knows how to slide the protection,

Speaker 4 who missed the block, but it was three people blocking one person.

Speaker 4 Joe, Joe. Okay.
What's up?

Speaker 4 We'll get to that, Joe. Nothing happened, Joe.
The Ravens came back out there. They got another field goal, okay?

Speaker 4 You see?

Speaker 4 Do you see this picture I'm talking about? This is when he threw the pick.

Speaker 4 He gets smacked. Like right here, it's one person over there to the right blocking.
And we have three of our players. So you're saying he called that protection like that.

Speaker 4 No, I'm saying I don't know who called the protection. I don't know if he knew that, like,

Speaker 4 this is his first time in. We need to know, like, hopefully the lion is sliding into this side.
Some, there was some miscommunication, something's going on right here.

Speaker 4 Where well, considering you don't get a chance to practice with the ones, we'll get to that, but anyway, we'll get to that.

Speaker 4 But I'm just saying, this does not look right for either the lineman, the quarterback, the sliding, the protection, obviously.

Speaker 4 So, he sits right there, stands in the pocket, throws a pick, and it doesn't doesn't look good for my man. Ravens get the ball in the 16-yard line.

Speaker 4 Um, and then Browns defense again, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Lamar Jackson throws the ball, ball hits off somebody's head and then my young bull 49 jumps up makes a pick makes a play gets the ball right back for us so now shadow goes back out there

Speaker 4 right

Speaker 4 so now um

Speaker 4 on the first and 10 on this when he gets to scrambling out you don't throw the ball back behind your body like this he could have thrown a pick on the first play so i'm not here for like to to say like i'm i'm i'm gonna be honest when everybody plays like dylan at the beginning of the game too he had passes, he threw one good pass, and that's the one thing about Dylan.

Speaker 4 He threw a good pass to Tillman. And you said,

Speaker 4 Listen, Joe, like, this is what I'm gonna do for you, Joe. But

Speaker 4 what you gonna do? Just go ahead and let you get to Shador, okay?

Speaker 4 Okay, so this is what we go do:

Speaker 4 okay, y'all stall out all day. They kicked two.

Speaker 4 Hey, man, I could have sworn like I seen a dude take off, like, he was running forever. Big dude, big giant dude.
And they could

Speaker 4 it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 It's 16, 16, right? At the field goal, hey, to push you, fake the push, fake touch.

Speaker 4 Got to get y'all go out there, turn it over on downs. Now,

Speaker 4 let's go ahead and get to the Browns' issues. The Browns' issues is y'all's offense is trash, trash.
It's nothing else I can say. Period.
Okay. Now, let's get to

Speaker 4 my guy or your guy,

Speaker 4 Shador.

Speaker 4 How do you think Shador played, man?

Speaker 4 I don't think Shador played good at all, honestly.

Speaker 4 Four for 16, 47 yards, sometimes just standing back in there. You know what I'm saying? Like

Speaker 4 just moving a little bit too slow. And I'm not going to blame him too much because at the end of the day, how many reps has he got? This is his first time out there at all, getting any snaps,

Speaker 4 being able to throw the ball to Judy. This is crazy talk, though.
Him being there

Speaker 4 since being drafted, rookie camp, everything, and not being able to have any time to throw the ball to these, to these players is crazy.

Speaker 4 So the ill-preparedness of him and not like, if you're a backup quarterback, we know he's going to get, you're not going to get a lot of reps at all. But when.

Speaker 4 Dylan Gabriel was the backup quarterback, was he getting any reps just in case something were to happen?

Speaker 4 If your starter goes down, your backup needs some type of reps. So him not going to.
Never heard in my life.

Speaker 4 in your life, in your life, extreme quarterback, never getting any time with the one

Speaker 4 in history of a season ever.

Speaker 4 Ever, ever in life. Now,

Speaker 4 listen, it's two levels. So notice two levels of people, man, that are looking at

Speaker 4 that want him. Hold up, hold up.
Hold up.

Speaker 4 I'm not done. because it's not and this is the thing too i'm i'm not here to be a shador i'm i'm i'm i'm going to be honest.
So you can't stand up here and say the four for 16 was great.

Speaker 4 I don't think it was, wasn't a good performance. He did a little things a little too slow.
Some of just the intentional groundings, stuff like that, we just can't have.

Speaker 4 But the deep ball, the dig when he did have time, throwing that dagger on time, standing up in the pocket, like being able to be a really a quarterback, throwing the first two passes he did, like rolling out to the pocket, throwing it on target, not high.

Speaker 4 Some of the passes that were dropped, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 that were dropped so i'm not here to say he didn't like he played like a horrible game but that wasn't that wasn't shador's best and he knows that too you know what i'm saying he's like man how did you play i didn't do good so i'm not here to be like no shador played great there's a lot of reasons why he played the way he did but i'm i'm really excited because now he at least gets to could for the shador haters like this man you throw shador in and just are they just trying to bash him like this now look what you got this what you got now be happy with i'm like no no no no shut your mouth we we let we watch dylan gabriel he's been able to get his first 15 plays.

Speaker 4 He's been able to sit, get reps with the coaches, been able to get reps with the coordinator, be able to find what plays I like, what I feel comfortable with on third down, what I want to, what plays I want to, what plays I feel comfortable with.

Speaker 4 So this was not good, but let's give him a leash. He's going to get his time.
We able to see Dylan Gabriel throw one good pass a game that I saw and just a lot of errand ones. So I've always been.

Speaker 4 brutally honest of just if it's a bad pass you throw something in the ground that's what it is if you throw a good pass it's a good pass so dylan's been able to throw like it's consistently two good passes per game.

Speaker 4 Not everybody just, that's a nice pass. That's not good enough, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 If you want to be a professional quarterback, so with Shador's performance today, that was not the other day, that wasn't good.

Speaker 4 But for him to now be able to finally get to go in there, for him to now finally be able to throw the ball to the starting receivers, be able to meet with the line and get his cadence, be able to know protections, being able to get who's calling these protections, being able to just get a feel, being able to get his feet wet, like he said, for this game, unexpectedly just getting thrown in and to Dylan Gabriel's playbook, you're not gonna, you may not perform well.

Speaker 4 So, I don't think he played good at all, but I'm very excited for him now to be able to get some plays and be able to get out there and be able to

Speaker 4 play with his stuff, be able to get some plays that he likes, be able to get some practice under his belt, and get out there with a clip with a clean opportunity. So, I'm geek.

Speaker 4 It's two levels of people, it's two different kinds of people

Speaker 4 that want to see Shador do something.

Speaker 4 It's the Shador haters who hate him because of his father, who hates him because they feel like he got an opportunity they didn't, that hates him because he

Speaker 4 is who he is.

Speaker 4 Okay? Period. And it's other people who are like, yo, I want to see him do well.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I want to see him do well. I just don't want to see him do well against us.
Now,

Speaker 4 that being said, I'm 100% with you. Shador did not have a good game, but Shador did make throws.

Speaker 4 He did make decisions that were good and bad. Could have made better decisions.

Speaker 4 Again, at the same time, you're trying to make like, oh, he's supposed to come in here.

Speaker 4 As the backup quarterback who has never had a snap with the ones, he has never seen real game time speed because preseason is not game time speed.

Speaker 4 And you're going to judge him as if he's stepping in there as Tom Brady coming through and just supposed to come in here and lace and light everything up.

Speaker 4 And you done gave this boy that's in front of him more than enough time. And he is still not able to do it.
The comparison of the two is very close with one guy getting no snaps.

Speaker 4 and i'm just talking about right here in this half period

Speaker 4 so all you shouldor haters y'all keep hating

Speaker 4 They keep Shador in there. He go get time.

Speaker 4 He go get a chance to be like, oh, this is how fast my dude is running the route. This is where I need to put the ball.
Oh, these guys are going to get to me faster.

Speaker 4 This is, I need to throw this ball faster. He breaks here.
I can throw it faster as soon as he cuts to there because I know where he's going. He ain't had the timing to get all that together.
Okay.

Speaker 4 He ain't had the time to work with his lineman and realize, hey, a crazy,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 I might need to know if so-and-so is over here this you know everybody knows who the lineman is that may let somebody slide through on you somebody know who

Speaker 4 you got to adjust to same thing your receivers hey you got to go ahead and know hey how he likes to run his route how where he cuts on his route is he going to adjust to his route like the one like he could have hit the he could have hit the tight end but dude he's reading probably his primary and he don't even get time to really get to it but if he knows the bliss come in he done had time to play and know that you know you're hot Boom, right to the tie-in.

Speaker 4 Come on, stop hating on the man. Come on, give him time.

Speaker 4 Then Debo, he threw the ball at the end of the game too, in the end zone. That was a great play by the defensive back.

Speaker 4 That was a great play. It was in his hands.
If they catch the ball, oh, but he threw a ball across his body.

Speaker 4 Yes, that's the decisions that you make when you're you haven't had the time to be out there and he's trying to make a play, he's trying to win the game.

Speaker 4 I've done seen your boy Dylan Dylan, whoever he is, do the same thing persistently, at least one time every other game. This man had one half and never had a snap, never had a snap with the ones.

Speaker 4 If you, as a Cleveland Brown fan or an owner, or the GM and he ain't had a snap and he your two, y'all need to fire your head coach now.

Speaker 4 It's crazy. It's crazy.
That's putting in a position to lose.

Speaker 4 Just put Dylan back in when we play.

Speaker 4 yeah. See, look, I appreciate your honesty with that, Debo.
I appreciate your candor,

Speaker 4 you know, but but for real, for real, because when I look at Shador, when you look at Shador, and I just don't like when people get done wrong, I like when it's a fair NFL is the game where the best players get the most opportunity, and nobody's trying to set you up for failure.

Speaker 4 I just don't want to feel like he's getting set up for failure. Oh, I want her to be

Speaker 4 thinking that he is not being assisted the same way as they assisted Dylan, period.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 so I just hope now being able to get out there.

Speaker 4 And the smart thing is, you Shador is a baller. He knows when he didn't play well.
He was like, Man, I didn't play well.

Speaker 4 So now, when I get the chance to go out there, prep for the game, you know, you're going to be starting. You know, you're going to be out there.

Speaker 4 It's a whole different type of prep, and you're going to get reps, and you know that you're going out there for a purpose. So I'm geeked for it.

Speaker 4 What the first thing?

Speaker 4 What's the first thing he did when he got in the locker room? Hey, guys, that's on me. Hey, that's he tried to take the full blame for it.

Speaker 4 But, like, you know, it's a team game, and you know, like you said, hey, that's that's leadership. And what's your other leader telling?

Speaker 4 What would Garrett say?

Speaker 4 This ain't just on you. What are you talking about? This is a team.

Speaker 4 Come on, bro. It's a team.

Speaker 4 The locker room already got his back.

Speaker 4 Stefansky.

Speaker 4 Huh?

Speaker 4 That was the most, that was the most.

Speaker 4 did you and did you did you hear his response to how when he was saying how the crowd was the crowd started booming for dylan when he threw that third and five yard route out of the game tell me about i will i ain't my bad i personally ain't seen the game go ahead

Speaker 4 No, no, no. You seen just the out route.
I'm like, you can't not just throw that out route. I'm sorry.
That's just bad pass. He's wide open.
And then the crowd started booing.

Speaker 4 And then Shador was like, I ain't going to lie. Like, I just don't like when the crowd like with booze because at the end of the day, it's support, but you don't want to feel Dylan uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 I'm loving his just trying to have his man's back because, at the end of the day, he's not rooting for his downfall.

Speaker 4 But when you get out there, it's like the crowd wanted the Charlot wants your door, they said enough. You've seen him for five games.

Speaker 4 I've been watching and trying to be as honest and like, man, when he makes a good pass, I'm not just saying get him out of there, like, give him a chance, let him start.

Speaker 4 Like, we give him like four more, like before he gets four games, gets five games. All right, no, now he's out, he's concussed, and he wasn't doing that well.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you this right now. I'm gonna tell tell you this right now

Speaker 4 from the performance the boy had

Speaker 4 i'm talking about dylan leading up to now

Speaker 4 and him

Speaker 4 getting put out with concussion

Speaker 4 if they bring him back next week stefanski hates shador

Speaker 4 facts facts one debunk if he brings him back he needs to let that man get his noggin right go through the protocol You know what I'm saying? Don't be protocol.

Speaker 4 You're rushing him for what? At least a week. He ain't won.
You're not one game.

Speaker 4 Rushing him back to not let Shador get his first dick.

Speaker 4 We play the Browns.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I think we played.
They played Vegas this week coming up.

Speaker 4 And then I don't next one.

Speaker 4 I'm going week by week with the Browns. Listen, I'm going week by week.

Speaker 4 Get a man time to rest his head. Okay.

Speaker 4 He obviously has trouble figuring out things. His accuracy is trash.
So now his eyes go be a little woozy. Like,

Speaker 4 but it's crazy.

Speaker 4 But it's good. Listen, I don't care what you do.
I hope you get fired. You deserve it.

Speaker 4 Just from the comments that you said about him, like, you don't know who your backup, who your number two quarterback is, and you just got rid of Joe Flacco and you only got one other quarterback on there.

Speaker 4 You're a piece of trash.

Speaker 4 Shout out to DMA, man. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're right. Shout out to Devin Bush with the pick six.
Hold up. I got to show you real quick, Debo.
We go. It's a D.
Bush jersey. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 4 We did time. That's another good man.
He did.

Speaker 4 He got drafted by the killers. Now he's with the Browns.
He's another one of my cross-contaminated brothers. He cross-contaminated.

Speaker 4 Yep.

Speaker 4 Right, man, bro. Oh, my.

Speaker 4 Dude, we out of time, bro. It's 12 o'clock.
We're going to have to catch up on the rest of these, man.

Speaker 4 Tomorrow. But what we're going to do right now, man, is Joey, we got a super chat right there, Joe.

Speaker 4 Let me see that. I don't got the super chat online.
Let me check and see, brother.

Speaker 4 Checking your vibes.

Speaker 4 Oh, we got a super chat.

Speaker 4 We got a super chat.

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Speaker 4 I'm going right to the point.

Speaker 4 If any player spit on you, Depot,

Speaker 4 would you have the same reaction the same way? Nah, bro. I'd have went to jail.

Speaker 4 Dude, I would have

Speaker 4 like... I'd at least tried to get all the way, rip his helmet off.
Jalen actually kind of, you know,

Speaker 4 he subdued himself after he got a couple off and he realized Duke wasn't fighting back.

Speaker 4 And he was like, kind of like, no,

Speaker 4 no, it wouldn't have been no stopping.

Speaker 4 Helmet would have been off. Like, it would have been, dude, I honestly, the old me would have gotten the ground.
The old me would have cleared both, both, both sides. Would have cleared both benches.

Speaker 4 They wouldn't have let, you wouldn't have let go. You would have ground the pounder deep.
No, bro. I would have, bro.
I would not have let go, dude. I would not have let go.

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Speaker 4 he said with dick labois as your d coordinator pick a head coach to play your entire career for cower or tomlin

Speaker 4 oh that's a hard one

Speaker 4 that's a you question right there you know what

Speaker 4 I'd have to go, I'd have to go coward.

Speaker 4 I'd have to go cower.

Speaker 4 I liked,

Speaker 4 I like what we had as a team.

Speaker 4 How many years did you do with each one? Oh, man.

Speaker 4 I think it was only

Speaker 4 here's the thing. I would like to go with Coward because of his approach and how he coached, how he led his players and

Speaker 4 so on and so forth,

Speaker 4 his personnel. You know, he had coaches in there

Speaker 4 that were

Speaker 4 great talents, you know, guys that went other places, did other things. And like Coach LeBo, dude, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, got you.
Like, so that, that for me is,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 why it would be

Speaker 4 cower,

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I can respect that. No, when you got coaches like that,

Speaker 4 you picking between, that's the hard part when you pick between grades. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 It's not like you trying to shoot down one to say something good about the other it's like you got he like man both great picks i could pick either one but if you're asking me for my personal and then honestly honestly for me what it comes down to is i like what we had as far as a defense and i think a lot of that came from how cower

Speaker 4 picked his players

Speaker 4 like and how he brought you up like if you didn't play well on special teams with coward you wasn't starting i don't care you weren't coming in and just starting because i picked you at this position or that position.

Speaker 4 Like, it's not happening, dude. It's not happening.
Like,

Speaker 4 you know, and

Speaker 4 like Coach Butts, best linebacker coach I ever had, man.

Speaker 4 Like, we had guys that, you know, they went and taught you the position. Like, they played the position.
We had guys that played the position. So they taught you the position.

Speaker 4 You knew, you know, you had the nuances of the position. And then you knew what was going to be difficult.
And you knew what was,

Speaker 4 you were never asked to do anything that was impossible yeah you know what i'm saying they picked players that would play to the position we needed them for

Speaker 4 so if i need casey hampton why do i need casey hampton because we run a true three four we don't run a bastardized

Speaker 4 four three

Speaker 4 we run a true three four what that means that means your three interior linemen got to take up five at least four for sure they got to be big body middleman you got to be able to hold two and move nowhere and that's what casey hampton did on top of that his backup chris hope hope sorry it's hope he did the same thing

Speaker 4 yeah and

Speaker 4 it was pick the player that

Speaker 4 position

Speaker 4 learn it learn it dude in the inside it was it was

Speaker 4 to your backup

Speaker 4 it was only one player that ever started on Dick LeBow's defense as a rookie and that was Kendra Bell. And you know why? We played gap defenses.
Gap defenses means it tells the Mac,

Speaker 4 gap, MAC, sword, knife, gun, whatever it is. It tells the Mac, take off to a gap on the right, ABCD on the right, or ABCDD on the left, because it's so hard to understand and learn that defense.

Speaker 4 By the time I came back, dude,

Speaker 4 I think when I came back, we had two or three rookies starting

Speaker 4 on the defense that

Speaker 4 ended up having to be changed because

Speaker 4 you can't learn, you don't know it, but

Speaker 4 they're being put out there to start, rushed into the start because that's what they want done.

Speaker 4 And it destroyed the defense to where, you know, by, dude, we had,

Speaker 4 we used to have gold sheets. So you remember, you weren't even here.
You came in 17, right?

Speaker 4 You had no goal sheet, right?

Speaker 4 I don't think I had a goal sheet. I just saw the sacks stop.

Speaker 4 They stopped the goal sheet after 16 because we couldn't hit them. So it was a goal sheet where you had, it was like, I think like 15 things.
And it was Coach LeBow's goal sheet.

Speaker 4 So of these 15 things, if you got somewhere between 12 or more, you had like a 90-something percent chance of the game, y'all, winning the game. And these goals were based on like what the top 5%

Speaker 4 or 10%, whatever it was, I think it was five, it was five or 10, I can't remember, of the league had did the previous years. So yards per game, yards per catch, yards per throw, all this other stuff.

Speaker 4 We stopped that in 16 because, dude, we were not getting the goals. So they just stopped it all together.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to keep this sheet up.

Speaker 4 But also, Coach LeBall was gone.

Speaker 4 It was a change of him.

Speaker 4 So instead of us coming in, you know, every week and we're looking at this goal sheet and we ain't got nothing, but, you know, three of them chat,

Speaker 4 they just did away with it. So now you don't even have a goal.
You don't have numbers. You don't have anything that you're setting your standard on to aspire to.

Speaker 4 Like

Speaker 4 Coach LaPaul had analytics before they were analytics. He already had that.
Like that's the way it was set up.

Speaker 4 And the only reason I noticed is because I asked him, I'm like, yo, Coach, the number went up a little bit from this year to

Speaker 4 from last year to this year. Well, the numbers of the average from last year went up.
So

Speaker 4 instead of it being a run of, you know, like 3.1, it went to 3.2.

Speaker 4 So every run has to average less than 3.2. Every pass has to average less than, you know, what was it, six or seven, something, whatever it was.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, and if you hit those goals, you're going to be in that top five defense.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 boom, like, that was our team goal. So,

Speaker 4 our team goal right now.

Speaker 4 We don't have anything.

Speaker 4 I mean, we're turning over the ball. We're creating turnovers, which is good.

Speaker 4 We need to, like you said, Debo, the, like, the, the, it's

Speaker 4 the gaps, people not in the same gap, people having to do too much for a job. We, I, I don't know how.
That's, that's, like you said, that's defensive. That's coordinational change.

Speaker 4 So I don't know how that's going to change. All right.
Unless you. Yeah, we got one more super chat, baby.

Speaker 4 I've been, what is it, Laven?

Speaker 4 $5.

Speaker 4 He asked me this question.

Speaker 4 He said, Will Miles Garrett break the sack record? What do you got right now? 15, 16?

Speaker 4 I think they said he got, I think it's maybe seven games left, and he got eight sacks to break it.

Speaker 4 With these multiple sack games, and I don't see he got the five, and then he backed it up with the four. He got 10 in the last four weeks.

Speaker 4 So, I mean, if he, he, I could easily see him getting a sack a week and one of these go and get three. I mean, he's playing against the alcom, he's gonna go against probably the Bengals again.

Speaker 4 Um, you probably, do they play the stillers? I think they play the Stillers,

Speaker 4 yes. Um, and then

Speaker 4 since then that the Ravens play against them, I think he might play everybody in the division. So, you know, with our divisions,

Speaker 4 it's possible.

Speaker 4 They say it's the Raiders, the 49ers, Titans, Bears, Bills. Stillers.
See, messing around with the Raiders, he might mess around.

Speaker 4 Look, messing around, he goes against the Raiders and gets a three-piece. Like, I'm not seeing Geno Smith standing back there.
That line isn't the best. So he can go easily, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Get them behind the sticks. They stop the run.
And then Miles have a start T and off. You know what I'm saying? So he go get three.

Speaker 4 He got us. and the Bengals at the end.
So

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 awesome.

Speaker 4 listen man we got to get out i got to get going man i'm supposed to be somewhere a little bit but look we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of debo and joe as i say as i say we're gonna hit the other games tomorrow baby but um hit the like and subscribe button so you can be here with us tomorrow and uh you know we're gonna be back at this thing joe

Speaker 4 Yep. Make sure y'all come catch up, man, tomorrow with your boy and Debo.
Appreciate everything. Make sure you hit the like and subscribe button.

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