Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Drake Maye & Patriots take down Giants + do Steelers have a culture issue?

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Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison.
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Hey, Joe, how you doing, Jay? Doe, you feeling good? You done cooled off? Your body temperature done

went back down?

Man, Debo, i ain't gonna lie i'm still i still got a little sweat dripping down from my arms and all man i was panicking i'm not gonna lie it was running a little late wi-fi cut out storm right before the show was supposed to start so i ain't gonna lie to you i was in full-blown panic mode yeah we got it together though we got it together we here yes yes sir yes sir patriots went on here and just beat the brakes beat the brakes up off the giants man um i ain't gonna lie bro this was like probably one of the most enjoyable blowouts blowouts that i that i got to see you know yes

it didn't really get close i mean it was like maybe like 10 points at one time like towards the end of the first quarter or something like that uh new england get the ball the first possession as soon as they get the kickoff bro it's 40 yards dude strikes out on man down to the 45 yard line off rep yeah they they get down i think within the five or something like that.

They stall out.

They kick a field goal. It's nothing

new york gets out there i think that possession they only completed one first down yep and then the next first down dude gets sacked like dude get down

like all these linemen getting upset over this dude that's when it started the first the first one debo he got he got he got smacked It wasn't even that hard because

I think it sounded harder than what it was because when you see the replay, he barely hitting with part of his chest. Yeah, yeah.

The first one when he like kind of slid.

Yeah, the first one.

He's already like, but just off the rip. It ain't even a slide, bro.
He was running and at the last second, he just tried to get down. That ain't even a slide.
He just tried to get down.

He got to protect himself, man. He's too small.

Just be taking unnecessary hits. All the way.
But, you know, that's young. You want to compete.
You want to go out there and try and do it like you did it in college.

Nah, these boys hitting like grown men. They out here trying to feed families, baby.

They are, man. They want you to be out there running around looking crazy.
No question, man. They punt the ball

and the action started immediately. I'm thinking to myself, I ain't even gonna lie, bro.
I'm like, why is he catching this inside the 10? He had a lot of space and grass.

So that's when I could, that's when I could, that's when I can dig it. If people are around you,

let it go into the end zone. But if you

didn't see it until, like I said, I'm thinking it was going to hang longer than what

it did. You know, it comes down, and this dude takes that thing 94 yards to the house.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Immediately, it's 10 to nothing. He got missing.
Got missing real fast, bro. He got missing.

He got missing real fast. And now is where the second down comes.
Yeah, this is the this man dart takes off on the scramble and he gets fired.

Boom. Oh, Lord.
And I'm looking at it and I'm like,

they go throw a flag.

I know he in bounds i'm looking at it i'm like i see the foot in bounds before they even did the slow-mo i'm like i see the foot in bounds he returned to like he was trying to go to the side he took them extra steps what are you doing he

deserved

this why i'm telling you he deserved every bit of that getting fired

you're a quarterback then that's the stuff like at the end of the day that extra little two yards you're gonna it's gonna be third and one or third and four your longevity you're a little dude linebackers are praying that you take that extra step in bounds so you can get fired on because you're in bounds.

This is what we're looking for. They're grown men, they're coming for you.

So, the protection is if you step out and then we give you a little, give you a little something running to you, all that, we know, we see you.

But when you tap that corner and you have that option, that little two-yard, that one-second, split-second when you like this, no, I'm gonna just turn up instead of just going right out of bounds.

You deserve to get fired on. You deserve all that.
Oh, no question. It was a second and 11, second and 12.
He got 11.

He got 11 of it, got fired on.

His homeboy 84 wanted to take

you mad. You're trying to protect your man.
Your man got fired on because he did something goofy, bro.

Now you about to get fined because you wanted to go and fire on somebody that did something totally legal. So you go get fine.
Okay. You go get this fine.
What is it?

Wednesday, they send them fines out. You're going to get fine Wednesday.
Okay.

And then on top of that, the next play, he got fired on.

Yeah, he was coming across across there. Dude, fired on him.
Yes.

And that's the way you handle that. That's how you don't.
He gave him a 15-yard penalty. It was about to be third and one.
And now you made a second and 13 and get fired on. Yeah,

you get fired on. It's, you know, it's over with.
So

they punt the rock.

Drake may come out there and start doing a little Drake May thing. He goes three or three.
I think it was like 49 yards touchdown. I think he rushed for one for three yards on a quarterback sneak.

They end up, I think they're going up now 17 to nothing.

new york comes back out i think they ended up making a little something out of it like the first five plays they ran like five runs straight

and then on the third down thing they ended up getting the the personal foul oh to say the drive with the helmet the helmet yeah the helmet the helmet that was great defensive play but how you like that's i mean that's just

like he's not even trying to hit him

he wasn't trying to at all he's trying to literally look at the ball have his eyes on the ball and go through there so i mean it's bang bang that's that's just like that's unfortunate you know what i'm saying like in the future he's not trying to i mean like you said that's that's that's part of the game that's part of the game it's safety first you got but that's making pbs end of the day they got to be that's that's so much skill to be able to really like slow down you got to look where you're going put your hands like try to put your uh hands in between where the ball is coming to break that up and not i don't even think he could have stopped from touching that because he had to slow down

but i'm saying that's the crazy part there's basically no way you can't get flagged for that Yeah.

Next play:

Dart, he goes and throws a short one, dude, takes it 30 yards for the touchdown. This is the only touchdown they would get, they wouldn't get no closer.
It ends up right there.

I think it's 17 to 7 now. Yes, sir.
New England gets back out there.

They do a little something, but I think Drake gets sacked on like the third down. They had a three and they

punted it 25. Yeah, 25.
Yes. I'm thinking, okay, now they got a, you know, they got a chance.

Yo, what was young ho doing on that on that third on that field goal, bro? Chunky monkey, Debo. What was that? I never seen no,

I never seen that a day in my life. I thought dude might have like dropped the ball or something.
It looked the only like so, so debo, we're gonna talk about the real. He messed that up.

I've never seen that before in my life. The ball moved a little bit at the bottom, so I can see if he like

stopped. Oh, why did you come and hit your toe? That's the definition of, I thought thought it got turf toe.
He jammed his foot into the ground, looking crazy, like, oh, sprawling his body out.

I'm like, I've never seen that before in my life. Dude, I don't know what happened.
Maybe he wasn't in the right position or something to get it off. But the left foot was right.

I don't know, bro. You got to swing that thing, man.
That's a sack. They end up getting a sack.
That was crazy.

That was crazy. Dude, they get the ball.

First play,

it's like, I think it's Henderson for like 13 and a game. That's when they finally put our man Henderson in.
He wasn't in

until this drive. And then he started getting active.
He got, yeah, he got real active right there.

And then I think they ended up, I think it was a holding. They got a holding call.
Yeah, that next play.

Wait a second. Second to 21 hit Booty.
Yeah, I think it was 13 for Booty.

And then 133.

Beautiful ball. Great catch.
Great throw.

Best pass of the game. Best ball ball of the game.
Great. Yeah, all that combined together.
24-7.

The kickoff.

Same man, Debo.

That same thing. Same man.
Sleeping everyone.

5-3 put that OOWAP. You better have your hand on the swivel.
Quarterback put that Nyquil

on that returner, bro. Debo, yes.
And my wife was. You talking about his mouthpiece popped out? No.
No. That was paint.
He knocked paint off. He knocked the whole New York emblem off that boy Helm.

Listen, I hate to laugh because I hope in press. He's all right, man.
He'll be good. You know what I'm saying? But when he got up, he did not know where he was going where he was going to.

Sarah was like this. My wife was like, is he okay? I said, baby, he's walking.
He's the walking sleep man. That's

sleepwalking. I jumped and hollered.

No, I ain't going to holler. I ain't going to jump and holler what I said.
I ain't going to drop and holler what I said.

but I holler for my son. I said, Hey,

I think we're looking at a dead body.

Deepo, shut off.

Hey, bruh,

you know, that's but that's what it, that's what it is. You are a that's what I'm saying.
And it's not a flag, you know why, Debo. You see everybody, you know what's going on.

You run into another man that's like sees you and is ready to fire on you. And he did not bend any part of his knees to get low into that contact.

What are they thinking? He launched that man, Debo. And he did not bend his knees, man.
How are you a runner and you running into somebody? You don't bend your knees.

That man Ellis was out there hitting. They need to watch out for 53.
And he was not doing anything illegal. He was out there.
That's a tone setter.

Oh, somebody who you want on your team that's out there, like, yeah, it's contact. This is a physical game.
They run around here. They see me.
Like, I'm right here. I'm not doing nothing.
Why?

Oh, right there. It's what?

What? You need to come here. Bomb, come get some of this.
Found you was smacking folks, bro. Dude, New England ended up getting three from that.
It's 20. It's 27 and three now.

27

to 7. 27 to 7.
Sorry. 27 to 7.
They got three from that. It's 27 to 7.

And

New York, they get back out there.

Like,

what

don't you go for it? What are you? Are you trying to win the game? They ain't trying to win the game. Like that right there.
Like, you're trying to get them to jump off on fourth and one?

Come on, man.

You down by 20, almost 21. You got almost 21.
You're trying to get them to jump off. Man, if you don't do that and go, you don't do something.

They punt the ball and allow New England to get back down there and score another three before halftime.

They lucky they had, they were lucky they ran out of time. Yes.
Walked that thing down there so quick. Super lucky.

Time super lucky super lucky they had time it could have been worse way worse 30 to 7 halftime

and then you know new york they come back out there and they're able to put together some stuff you know here and there they score a touchdown

15 to 30.

I mean, really, nothing really happens after that. New England puts in another field goal later on through game ends.
It's

33 to 15.

And,

dude, the Patriots, Patriots looking good, man. Like, they, they went out there in all three phases, brother.
Yes. Special team, offense, defense.

Jones took one 94.

Punt returned 94 to the house on the very first punt. And then late in the second quarter, hey.

That forced fumble on that kickoff, night and night. Man, I mean, covered it.

Dude, the defense,

they shut down the Giants just all together. I think they only had like 1

maybe 10 yards rushing. Dart was 139.
I was hoping he would go get some more garbage time, but he didn't. I know, man.
That last drive, we only got 30 yards out of it. I'm like, God, damn, I'm trying.

I need a little bit more. Right, right.
He needed a little bit more. I was counting down.
I'm like, this is exactly what we talked about. The plan is working out perfectly.
He got 30, man.

I'm like, yo, come on, man.

It was a chance. Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And then, you know, Drake May is eating, dude.

He playing good, dude. He's playing extremely well.

Just his ability, man, to maneuver in the pocket and still keep his eyes downfield, dude, and actually throw the ball, you know, without being distracted when he's about to be hit or about to be sacked, all that.

And now, you know, able to use his legs a little bit here. And this is year two.
Yes.

Yes. Year two.
Year two. He's looking way ahead of his years, bro.
1000%. He's looking comfortable.
He's being able, and at the same time, he don't have, it's not like, love Stephon Diggs.

You know what I'm saying? Love Collins and those guys, but like, he doesn't have like a really, really great number one receiver that he could just go over there.

Like, I'm going to throw it up over there. I ain't going to lie, man.
He got some goods, though.

It's just everybody. It's a

committee.

I think it's on committee and just everybody. Nobody's just a standout.
Everybody's doing their job. You know what I'm saying? Like, me and Brad, they got to be catching the ball.

They're not dropping it, running their routes, precise. It's more of just everybody's doing their thing.

Nobody, you don't got to do, you don't have to have a standout person when everybody's doing their thing. Everybody's balling.
Everybody's handling their job.

So it's making it easier on him when I don't have to go to somebody every time. I'm going to do the open man.
When defense needs me to go here, that's where I'm going to go.

He's going to catch it and we're going to move on. Yeah,

he's going

where the defense dictates he has to go. Yes.
And when he can't, you know. Sometimes

he got to take off. Sometimes he end up eating the sack, whatever that may be.
And I know, you know, there's people out there talking about, you know, their schedule is weak and all this.

Yeah, they benefit from that schedule somewhat, you know what I'm saying?

But this dude has been sacked 40 times, bro.

And he's still doing this. It's only two other quarterbacks, I think, that have been sacked more than him.

And he's still standing in the pocket throwing that thing, dude. Yeah, his percentage, his completion rate, man.
He's not

going to 40 sacks, bro.

and he's still doing that

throwing the rock down the field it's not just check downs not not just check downs

that means he's seeing it he's making decisions fast because somebody getting hit that much and sacked that much somebody getting sacked that much is getting hit probably more

you know

like defense too and they defense like gonzalez the guys there's nobody really running as scot-free you know what i'm saying they're just very very disciplined and when you are disciplined defense a lot of good things are going to happen tip balls people are going to be in the right places you know what i'm saying Don't just give it to them.

Yeah,

nothing should be given.

I mean,

you know, some

people

feel like it may be neat, it should be given, but nothing is given. You got to earn and take, especially if you're getting it from another team.
You got to earn and take anything it is that

you want to actually get and have somebody respect you for it. Yeah.
I think Drake May's balling though, too. He's definitely, his MVP case is getting better and better.

Yeah.

so

the i guess we had a former stealer how do you pronounce that last name

brendan what

i'm the worst he yeah i'm i'm dude i'm really worse than you yeah so i guess he he spoke out against uh

how the defense was uh struggling, I guess. And he said, this ish is deeper.
This shit is deeper than you know.

What do you think he's referring to?

He was going back and forth with

Trey. Do you have any other, you got deeper context? Let me get your perspective on it first, because I don't really know where buddy was talking about.
I think,

I think he may just be like speaking on more of like a cultural difference. You know, I think he spent a little time in

with the Chargers with under Anthony Lynn, I think it was, for a hot minute. Okay.
And, you know, maybe from what he's seen when he was in college to what he's seen there. And now,

you know, when he got to Pittsburgh, maybe he's seeing, you know, he's seeing something different than the culture that he's used to seeing.

That's the only thing that I could, you know, that I could really think of in the situation. Do you know when he played for the Stillers or when he was there? It was like practice squad on or off.

It was 20, was it 22, 23, something like that? Okay. 22, 23, something like that.
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Cultures are different. No, for sure.

The only thing that when this happens, Debo, like, if he's going to come out and say some stuff, I need to know, say what you're going to say. You know what I'm saying?

He said he still got people there. You know how they go, man.

I know. I know.

But it puts us in the position to be like the ones that got to

just guess what he's thinking. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of want to do the same thing.
Like, we don't want to speak on things that we. I mean, yeah, he was only there in 23.

And like I said, that's the only thing I can think of because a culture, a culture is something that is

usually, you know, hard to change because it just happens like over time. You know, you get, you get one, one person, you get two people, three people at a time.

And now you got the old players that were there. Now they're, they're leaving.
And

whether that is a good culture or bad culture that's being, you know, built there.

You got the young players that are now looking at these new guys coming in and the young players that are rookies coming in, they're seeing this and they like, oh this this behavior right here is acceptable yeah and then before you know it you look 10 years down the road and it's the whole group

you are not lying right and you know culture is

culture culture is as much as the lot as much as the coaches and all that than the players in the locker room that create culture like the bets that you have that's that's that's part of the culture you know yeah no no for sure for sure as players you know you got your you got your older guys that that built this type of culture you got your younger guys that's coming in with something else.

And as the transition happens,

you got the younger guys coming in, seeing the guys that's there, and they're like, oh, this is what we do. And then the old guys are being phased out.

So now, like I said, you turn around 10 years later,

the culture that you once saw is gone for sure. And that's something that it slowly happens over time, you know, and it just takes time.
So,

you know, I don't,

you know what? I take that back.

It can be done

in New England. New England.
It can be done. Mike Vrabel went in there and immediately changed the culture.
Yes, he did. And you know how he did that?

He started with his coaches and then did it with his players. As soon as he took that job, what was the first thing he did? He went and got him an OC and a DC.

that fit the culture that he wanted to create.

Now, what did he do then?

He said, okay, it's players.

Dude, he signed and released so many players

that, dude, it was ridiculous in that first like five, six months that he got there at the beginning of, I believe it was jail, January, just this year.

January, just this year, dude.

He hired Josh McDaniel for the OC,

Terrell Williams for the DC, and he actually kept the offensive coordinator because they was doing well. Makes sense.
It's good to do. Blah, blah, blah.

Then he went and got a couple other coaches for, you know, positional things.

The players, he released, he signed, he did all that. Immediately, he done changed the culture.
Okay.

And this right here is like a pure example, dude. Like he played under Belichick.
Okay.

Now he never coached under Belichick, but he played under him so long, he knows, he sees, he understands how it works. You see what I'm saying? And from there, he built

his own thing and took it from there. Hell, you know what? He even played, I think he played his first four years was under Bill Cower.

So he done had

12 years. You see that seeing the other.

Yeah, seeing how it's done. And then you look, you know, you look at him being under, well, playing under belichick belichek got what he had 10 12 head coaches that that that went on from his tenure

that's i was under one of them and he came from um

parcels as a dc with the with the giants like

that's a great coach dude that's a great coach and that gets passed down and you get used to seeing okay this is what the culture should be like because this is what's successful it's no longer about okay um

i need to get the best uh

player no you don't need to get the best player you need to get a player that can play of course but the personality yeah the the the things that are going to help build and and and and

uh you know

raise your locker room is is what you need. Like all the intangibles that can't, that you can't, you know, you have.

You get a guy in there and like you said, one dude can take and turn the next year into eight dudes. And those eight dudes can turn the next year into 16 dudes.
And those can, before you know it,

the whole culture is gone.

And what it was that was there before, whether it was good or bad, is gone. And now it's whatever the new coach

has or wanted to build. And that's what you have then.
No, for sure. Cause I mean, it's the same with like when I came to the Stillers Debo, I knew it with the Pouncey twins, you know what I'm saying?

The line, Roman, uh, Ramon, you know what I'm saying, like the old line, they had culture, they had things that they

hung around, they kicked it. Hey, I saw that and I loved it, and everybody knew.
Hey, where goons that came from, bro? Where the goons, I mean, where do you think that came from?

That got passed down from,

I got that from Peasey,

I got that from all them. See, so

it was passed down it's just that's what i'm that's what i'm saying and then when i came deep for the dbs with my man will gay with uh with my with my good man i'm like god damn having a brand even rob rob g just that were doing he was under that he was under that everybody we knew we had things that we did that little uh db little lunch when we had our little meeting that we did it we ordered like eddvs we did steak and that's when when they ended up leaving i kept that going and then when minka came in we always did it and people respected the us because they like no this is the culture this is what and i just started doing it because that's what they did and this is what it was so like okay boom so it's just like if you don't have ogs that really come in and you can teach them and not teach them in a bad way and the other thing is sometimes rooks are not trying to learn they're not trying to hear that it's a little different right with these new age dudes like you gotta draft right here that's when you gotta draft you got to draft them right to you got dudes with that's listening that's not coming in there thinking they can they didn't know everything you know what what I'm saying?

No question. Humble, ready to listen, ready to grind, but OGs has not, no disrespect.
This is just, they teach it. They're not being, you know what I'm saying, rude, whatever.

So I think it's a, it's an OG thing. It's a players that are really good with everybody else and just culture learning and just this the way it is.
And we respect.

Yes. Yes, dude.
Like once you start getting rid of your, as we say, OGs, and then you're moving on to your younger guys.

If your younger guys aren't aren't characters that are going to build the culture that you want,

then you're going to have to figure out how to how to adjust that to get them adjust to it, or

you let them adjust your culture.

And you know what, man? And when you look at it right now, I feel like that's what that's that's what we have. We done had a

cultural thing that has just changed to the point that

it's not really one yeah you know what i'm saying like

even if you go back to uh when minka was here dude minka has spoke on it i believe it was like our last home game last year around this time in december

and he was saying um

something along the lines of like, you know, guys come in and think, you know, it's just going to be given to them and you put the uniform. Oh, he was saying the same stuff we was talking about.
Yeah.

And I think, I think that's the culture. Now everything is just handed to you.
It's given to you.

You're automatically made. You're here, you know, whatever that may be.
And that's, that's, that's not what it is. Just because you put on that uniform, you, you, you get, no,

don't nobody, man, don't nobody fear coming to Heinz Field no more. I mean, coming to Pittsburgh.
Yeah.

Don't nobody feel coming to Pittsburgh no more. Man, back in the, back in the G,

that was, hey,

coaches would tell they, tell their team, hey, you need two chin straps.

That's legit, though. Legit.
Two chin straps. Legit.

Like, growing up, anytime, you already knew what it was. You was going to get, you was going to come out there and you was going to get smacked.
Somebody's head was going to get hit all like.

Y'all was out there laying, just smacking people, just the way football was supposed to be played. It was going to tote the rock, hard running, hard hitting.

You wasn't just going to walk out of there. You know what I'm saying? You wasn't going to tote the ball.
The easiest way to lead is by example, bro. I ain't even got to say nothing.

Just see what I do and follow me. Watch me.
Cause I'm not a big talker. That wasn't what I did either, Debo.

Just see what I do. Just watch this.
You know what I'm saying? Watch my work. You can talk all you want to, man.
No, you got to show me. If you're not doing it, it don't matter.
You got to show me.

You can't have nobody that's not doing nothing, be a leader and talking too much. What do you shut up?

Do something.

Or the guy that talks so much, but he ain't putting none of that work in i'm like yeah no no no you can't you can't you listen bro you can't be coming over here talking goofy and correcting me on stuff that y'all know you can't you can't do you know what i'm saying like i don't understand that right

yeah man

let's go over here to cleveland man dylan gabriel's fiance

um

they said they said um

she posted a tick tock saying my fiancé

of course they gotta she got to let people know this. My fiancé, Dylan, is not playing.

I have thoughts on that, but I'm not going to share it.

Then

another one,

Brown's loss, what's new? Yo, bro, how you feel about this?

I'm like.

And then she got into a little disagreement, like with one of the comments, I guess. Actually, everyone in the building wants him to play,

but

hey,

why is she talking about you wouldn't know that because you've never

been in the nfl i'm not talking or been a coach right

as

see this

you know see that's what i'm i'm not that's look that's what we i'm that's that's his that's his old lady that's look at that look at that you can't even say you can't even say that's about to be dylan gabriel's wife She has every right to defend her man and do whatever she got to do and say what she got to do.

So when these bullets start flying, she's going to be.

I know for sure, but I'm just going to not speak on that because that's his old lady and she has every right to defend her man. Like, that's his wife.
That's his wife.

I'll speak on it. I just

as a man that is doing a job that she has not done, has not coached,

has not played in.

You now think you have played in the NFL because your fiancé plays in the NFL.

Now you know more

because you are going to marry an NFL player. Nope.

Nope.

And then on top of that, you're putting him in crosshairs. Yeah.

You're putting him in the crosshairs because who else is he talking to while he's laying in the bed? No, actually, everyone in the building wants him to play. So who told you that?

Were you in the building? Were you talking to other players? Were you talking to the coaches? I doubt it 110%.

Doubt you was in it talking to any coaches in the offices or to the up front. So that must be something he's telling you.
So now you got him having to go back and answer to

or have people looking at him a certain way.

Now, because you done said to her, oh, yeah, everybody want me to play. They just hate me.
You know what I'm saying?

They want to get him a chance. You know what I'm saying? This is equivalent, Debo.

Do you you think this is equivalent to like somebody's, like when we talked about previously, people's fathers going out there and saying things about their sons?

If my father, I'm just, you know, my father is

a ex-Hall of Famer, he can say whatever he wants to say.

I'm going to put him up to it. But what if your dad didn't play in the league? Okay.
But what if he didn't play in the league? Did he play football? Yeah, he played football. He just played.

But he played football.

The analyst, Stephen A. Smith played football.
Stephen A. Smith didn't play football.
What did she analyze? I mean,

she didn't analyze nothing. Tell me where she was an analyst at.

She coached the Powerpuff League? No, Debo. She ain't coached nothing.
Okay.

So what makes her qualified? Because her fiancé is Dylan? No, I'm no, no, no, no, no.

What makes any, if a dad play, if a dad didn't play in the league and his son, so if it's, if a dad didn't play, he played little league football, that makes him qualified to be able to speak on it more than if there's somebody that didn't play football at all.

Like, literally, when you paraphrase my fiancé to give yourself credit, I have a problem with that. Okay.

I'm not going out here and saying my defensive coordinator, Dick LeBeau.

No, I'm coming as James Harrison.

You had to paraphrase that so it gave you credibility?

I mean, no, I understand what you're saying, but I don't.

I don't, I don't, I just, I just don't like this, bro. I don't, I don't like it at all.

That would be like me.

It is messy and flipping it around and it being the other way. Yeah.

Like, you think my you think people ain't looking at him crazy right now? A thousand percent. It's I could agree.
Like right there, where he goes to work every day.

You think they ain't looking at him crazy right now? You think the other wives or fiances

ain't looking at her crazy now? because they listening to their husbands or fiancés.

What are they talking about?

Yes, she doesn't need to say that. Yes.

What you're exactly. You put yourself in a position you don't want to be in.
You can't win. I understand.
You want to defend your man. Do it in private.

Do it in private because that's not going to help him at all either.

With that part, he got an answer to this.

Who is he getting this from? He's not talking to the other coaches or not, nobody else, the players.

So he's going to go have to answer this because his fiancé of who he's talking to is saying that he's friendly the locker room. Everybody wants me to play.
How do you get this information?

She must be, she's talking to you, or she's not talking to Stephansky.

I'm with you a thousand percent that this whole thing is not, it's not, it's not, it's not good for her to do it, but I can see, I'm just, yes, just just don't say anything.

It's hurt, it hurts your it hurts your husband. I can know why she's defending him for sure, but don't say anything because it's gonna put him in a messed up position.

In the world that we're in now, with social media,

everybody's meeting, don't do it. They're trying to go everywhere with this, dude.
Yes, yes, yes.

And, dude, it's now

on that, but yeah, stop, bro. Like, you talking about causing having you already got issues.
Yeah, you

now you go add this on top of it.

Yeah, what

no, I'm, yes, you, I'm with you on that, Debo. I'm with you on that

for sure.

Come on.

Joe, I think. It's messy.

She just makes it more messy because it's like it already got a lot going on. Nobody else didn't need that.
But I just, you know, this old lady, like, yeah, you're right.

You just don't, you just don't need it. It's extra.
It's more drama. Super messy.
You can't get, you can't, you can't get no more messier than that.

Like, that's, that's straight up pillow talking at night. You're at night.
Like, what's going on? You coming home.

That's what I had a tough day. Well, you know, everybody want me to start, but they hate me.
Why they hate?

Tell me why they're hating. What's the reason they're hating?

He ain't gonna say I'm playing like trash.

Why they hating?

What that leads people to think, Joe? You already know. I know,

especially as

much tension as we got around that issue. Come on, Joe, you know what they're saying.

Not good. Yeah,

Just, yeah, just go and do like what the Eagles fans did, man, and and and go egg the office of coordinators,

Devo

they called it vandalism, yeah,

vandalism. Get they hope they get locked up, man.
That's crazy, locked up for egging the house, bro. Come on, man, dips want to tell you something because he had some restitution or something, man.

Maybe some give them a give them do you want people to come and egg your house? That's so I ain't gonna lie. I'm good.

I don't bother nobody.

I don't bother nobody. If you come over to my house and come egg my shit, I want you locked.
Why the fuck are you egging my house? Bro, we used to egg it. You ain't see, you ain't from my house.

We used to egg each other for fun. Like, oh, man.
Hell no. I'm no, man.

God damn,

I must be the police.

I'm trying to mind my business. And you're trying to go egg somebody crib.
You muted. You muted, Debo.

You muted.

i can't hear you

i said i said it might i said it might have been some people that was my age that actually went and egg this house up because that's that's something that you know people my age do man yeah it could cause a lot of harm if you don't get it off in time so that yeah you know if i egg your i'm listening i'm trying to cause you damage if i egg your house when it's real cold or it's real hot i egg your car when it's real hot that's what i'm saying trying to cause damage that's real damage that's what i'm saying debo you gotta that's not you ain't never through no you ain't never told it that tp nobody's house joe that's way better cp don't get fine that's funny egg but you know how hard you got to throw that thing to get over top of this he probably got a house with a high roof i throw this egg i'm gonna get what i get i'm gonna get what i need and feel good if you get that egg you're trying to really harm my house because i'm might just mess it mess it like no i'm just trying to make you have to go get it power washed before it get too bad see no debo no that's you disrespectful dog don't you talk getting people to egg people's houses no i'm just saying listen man you're proving it you're proving this message listen right now you listen listen i'm just trying to tell you bro if you and me got a little bit of beef you're egging my crib bruh

i ain't gonna lie to you

hey okay

i ain't i like if we got like beef like like me and you we had a situation going whatever and then like i'm just mad at you we fell out and i want to piss you off i'm gonna egg your house and if you catch me i just have to have it power washed you know what i'm saying but i'm gonna egg it joe i ain't gonna lie and i'm gonna sit there and you're gonna call me like man you know somebody that hey my house man instead of i'm gonna be like what

yeah i'm gonna know it's you if my head if my house gets egg now

listen here man um nice joke yeah

i'm a nice guy debo i'm always worried about you i'm now now i know you listen by egging me now you got me looking at you even more crazy listen i ain't gonna listen i ain't gonna do it too bad like you know what I'm saying?

I'm gonna make sure it's down on the first floor. I ain't gonna pop you all the way up on the second.

I'm gonna just hit the window that way. You can, you ain't you when you hit the egg with the window, you ain't got to worry about too much damage.
You know what they say?

You know what they say? This it be your own man's. You ever heard them say that before? Be on it.
Hey, be your own blood.

It'd be your own man's. That's what I'm saying.
Got to be more careful. Did the Eagles fans get caught?

I don't know.

I hope it that big old house. I hope that that big old house, he has cameras.
Yep.

I hope he catches it. Listen, you think they're about to follow everybody's camera, go knock door to door for an egging.
No, no, they're not going to take it seriously. They're not going to take it,

man. I know.
I'm being extra, but I just want to. Why are you so serious then?

Because I'm not trying to push people's houses getting eggs. Because I'm old now, man.
I'm trying to just live a peaceful, retired life, stay out the way. I don't bother nobody.

I don't want nobody to just run up on my house egging me.

i understand i listen joe i understand what you're saying i'm just trying to debo listen every

every now and then

you might have to get some get back an egg is really for me if i egg your house man or if i egg your car debo no yeah

50 years old talk about i'm gonna do it while you in it joe

I'm gonna hit your car while you're rolling past because you done flip me the bird. Okay.

That's what I'm saying. I would never flip you the bird.
I'm not flipping you the bird.

You know, ain't nothing wrong with it. Debo.
Oh,

yes, I know what you're saying. You're going to throw eggs at people that flip birds.
No.

Hey, listen. I ain't going to lie.
I can't. I can't.
I say you, not people, bro. Okay.
Okay.

I had somebody. I can't even say who it is, but it's somebody I know.
Okay.

Somebody flipping the bird on the highway. Yes.
This is wrong. This is reckless.
I ain't going to even lie to you. This is why I don't get fingers.
This is why I don't get fingers on the highway.

No, chilla. If they flip him bird on the highway, you know what he do,

he drive in front of them,

open the sunroof,

and toss out pennies, toss out a handful of pennies.

Oh my, you doing 70 miles an hour coming out the highway, damage.

Who's who doing this, Debo?

I know, I know, I know somebody to do it. I I knew somebody to do it.
Let me tell you who it is. Hey, you know, somebody to do a lot of things.
You know, somebody to do a lot of things.

You know a lot of things. Listen, listen, bro.
I'm from Africa. Crazy.
Hey, that's A.K. Roddy Roddy, West Side Summer County.
Listen. Yeah, yeah.

You better not flick on it.

So the pity's at your whip. Please.
Hey,

hey, listen. And

he said, don't let you be in nothing that's that's clean. He said he might, he might be willing to lose a bit of a little bit of money and throw quarters out there.
Then,

see, Debo, that's what I'm saying. This one, hey, this ain't me.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's why I'm telling you that we need to bring in more chiller energy into the world because there's people like Wild Man Kenny that's throwing nickels and quarters at you if you flick somebody off.

So just never know how somebody else's day is going. Always, you know what I'm saying? Dang, he's in a rush.
He's having a bad day. Right, sure.
I'm too old. Now, I don't even care no more.

You know what I'm saying? Debo, that's what I'm trying to tell. That's what I'm trying to get.
I'm trying to make sure,

you know, I'm

early when I need to go somewhere. Yes, you know, I don't get behind that person that's driving five miles under the speed limit and it makes you want to lose your mind.
I'm like,

you know what, you know what, whatever. They, you know, what? It's a Sunday drive.

You know what? You know what, Debo, maybe getting every day like a Sunday. Sunday.
Relax.

Relax. If you got two lanes, maybe get to the left lane, go see.
Make sure it's an old lady. Hey, are you okay? Hopefully get there safely.
And you know what I'm saying?

there yeah you know i'm just trying to bring good

i ain't i ain't i ain't gonna i ain't gonna really stop and help too many people no unless

i'm not stopping i ain't gonna lie

it's hard it's hard it's hard that's a fact man it's hard no no no no no it's hard to do now that might be a setup they might they might be waiting for that i ain't gonna lie

back in the day when my dad when i was with my dad yeah

my dad was he he he would deliver he would deliver stuff he would he was a delivery dude we picked the pitch hikers.

I swear, bro. Oh, that's a suicide mission.
Dude, my dad would pick up. Now,

now, if I see somebody standing over there like this, I'm like this. That's how you got around, bro.
Like, yeah, that's how you got around. Now you have Metro

or

somehow. No, dude.
I would be. I'd be in the car.
And I was, you know, I'm, I'm anywhere from like 12 to like

14, 15 at the time. You're in the backseat next to bro.
No, man. It'd be a work van, dude.
So I would like just, you know, scoot over. Yeah.

And, and I got,

I got, oh, oh, I don't know who this is.

And that was like normal to me. Like, okay, somebody needs a ride.
You give them a ride.

Oh, bruh. Dude, like, my dad, your dad from your dad is from Flint Burney, man.
Mary, like, he was in the country. So.
Yeah, your dad's in the country he ain't scared of nothing

y'all hey listen i ain't gonna lie so as i got older like

you did it for a little bit there and i'm thinking i'm like yo

like man serial killers and all that you know what i'm saying i'm like man

i think they're the hitchhikers hey hey listen man

Listen, dude, I'm trying to tell you. And I'm like, this man

was out here helping people get like actually picking up hitching, dude. I'm talking about dudes that I would have pulled off from.
Now, I'm like, I'm not giving him no. Like, this is no.

And I hate to say no fear. No, I hate to be like that with that because I'm a really nice person.
Like, I don't want nothing, no harm.

But I think sometimes, like, I have to have fear for my own life and my own family. You know what I'm saying? Like, they could be have bad intentions.
When my dad was my age, dude,

that man had no fear level. Zero.
I don't know how.

I don't know.

I'll tell you one thing you're scared to death of, though. Listen, it's going to sound crazy.
Mice.

A mouse? Oh, my God.

A mouse could

pull a gun on you, bro.

I had hamsters, right?

When I was younger. and my hamster would get loose.
Oh my God, that's scared of hamster. And my dog, listen, bro.

and my dog brick he could smell him he would find him

so i'd go and i'd be like that hamster got loose i'd be like i think he's in there

man

you get that motherfucker up out of here right now

yes

yes it'd be like that something like little things yes i can respect

all that bro anything that was like a mouse dude but you let you let a you let a mouse come up man listen my mom bro we had a mouse in our house when i was a kid and my mom moved out for a week until we like like we had to get it like my she was dead serious she went to a hotel and then we had to like move move cribs my mom was so scared of mice

dude yeah that's out of control man look here cd lamb he compared facing the lions dbs to to a boxing match

db he said Hey, he says grown man game.

Grown man game. Physical game.
Physical game. He's saying the boys out there putting hands on people.

He out there trying to make sure the refs check so he makes sure any more any legal contacts need that, need that. No question, he's throwing it out there, letting them know.

Hey, these boys behold them refs. Just throwing.
I'm I told

you guys out here swinging, they're doing everything. He hey, he likes it though.
He said he liked it. He said that's what he's looking for.
He needs that.

Okay. He wants all that.
I love that. I know.
I know who else liked that. Gee, I know GP liked that.

He wants all that smoke.

No question, man.

Them DBs over there do. They do do a lot of man.
I think they might want to slow that down a little bit because they getting all them crosses and everything going. What's going on over there, man?

Like, at what point is my dude going to realize you can't just be going for fourth down

every

season?

You getting too late in the season, man. You putting your team in the face.
You can't just be going for it on fourth.

You can't make it up now. You ain't got that time to make it up.

Hey,

sometimes you got to play the field position game. You can't just be loud there living on the field.
Or kick the field goal, dude. Yes, points, points, points, points, points, points, points, points.

It's too, it's late into the season.

All the points matter. It's so much harder to get them.
Yes, it's harder to get them. People are more stingy.
They

queueing in. We're spending a little extra time to make sure, you know, and I had all this time to look at what you've been doing from the beginning of the season to now.

They got cues. Oh, yeah.
This is this at 80%.

This is this at 75%. You know, all that.
So

they cueing in on stuff.

It gets a lot harder, man. It does.
And, but this is the whole time, this is why I love this part of the season, though, Debo, because now everything matters. Like

the end of the season, everybody has to play the divisional game. So these six weeks, the playoff picture can look so much different.
If you get hot and go 4-0, you know what I'm saying? Right now,

your whole situation can be so much better. Like nobody's mathematically eliminated.
Nobody's clinched in certain spots. Nobody's got the home field advantage.
So with

we so we so dusty over here in the AFC. In the AFC, we still, we looking crazy.
Like somebody got to win it. Somebody got to win it.
And they're still looking at Cincinnati like way back.

Having a lot of people.

But what I'm saying is, you never know. Let them go 4-0 right now.
And we keep losing. And nothing happens with

the Raiders. Dude, what is their record? They like four and eight, I think.

They ain't even out of it. That's how that's what I'm trying to say, Debo.

Let them go ahead and go crazy for a couple weeks in a row and next mess around and play the last week and get in the playoffs. I'm not going to give myself up here and get hope again.

I'm not, because now I'm feeling hopeful again because I feel like, oh, three and eight. We ain't got to play them again, even though we got Joe back.

The only thing I'm thinking, but look, Joe, but look, look, Debo, when we get in there and we're going to play versus them boys, we're going to have to like the thing is, like you said, once you get into the dance, all you gotta do is go three, four, and oh, you win the Super Bowl.

You know what I'm saying? Get high, just win. Just

go one and no this week, go one and no this week, win four straight games, go four and oh. Nobody knows about nothing.
We start off 0-0. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, that's why everybody kind of can believe, but you go 0-1 the last six times we've been in the joint. So, you, you get hyper quick, really, and be like, oh, man, like, it's still tight.
Yeah.

Yeah, you gotta, you gotta make it into that. You gotta make it into that fight.
You gotta make it to the dance.

You don't realize how hard it is to make it into the dance, though, especially when you made the year before. A lot of people come back and think, oh, it's just gonna be given to you.

You're just gonna make it because you made it last year. Nope.
Nope. Nope.
Every year, you gotta get in there and you gotta earn it. And especially if you had a good year, now everybody's shooting.

You getting that best shot, getting their best shot. They ready for you

100%,

bro.

When you look at

like the example that I use is like when I went to Cincinnati in 13,

like

wasn't nobody really counting on Cincinnati to do nothing. Like we ended up taking the North.
The defense was like ranked third. Like it was crazy.
And I think that was the same year that

the Stillers, I don't even think they even made the playoffs that year. I think they, that was the yes, that was the year they lost like four or five in a row at the beginning of the year.

And

that was, dude, that was the start of basically a

a switch a

a shift you know what i'm saying okay when you think that dad wouldn't think so oh yeah definitely i think maybe it started in 12 to be honest with you

but i know in 13

on defensive side it was guys playing that shouldn't have been playing because they weren't ready to play but

they were put in the position and some of them i i talked to one cat when i got back in 14 was like yo they just put me out there I wasn't ready. I didn't know what I was doing.

Dude had 19 MEs in one game, bro. No, that's ridiculous.

You know, like, I think it was two or three

rookies at that time that ended up starting on that defense.

Coastal Bows defense don't start rookies, bro.

That's not what it is. But

it's just the D coordinator. So.

You got to do what superiors have you do. And that's what it came down to.
And now, you know, it went from 13

like when i left in 12 that was the number one defense 13 it ended up being i think it went down to 13.

and then since he ended up being number three

and then in

i want to say

18.

When I came back in 14, it was an 18 defense, 21. And then it started going back up from there where you had a span of like four or five years that was, you know, it was like a a five six five three

again when i came that's when i was there we were

yep

so

the you know the the the changes you know of

what it is that you're building or not building

and you know what came from it joe yes sir

who is your defensive player of the week who you got what team just tell me what team buffalo bills okay who

christian bemford the corner buddy that had the sideline pick and then had the scooping score for the touchdown

i like it he balled out man he did it right in front of me right in front of my eyes i just don't like the opponent he did it again so i'm working with micah parsons

that was the other one

That's a good pick. Yes, that's a good pick.
I got to go with Michael Parsons. Respectfully, he balled out.
Yeah, we have like a two-year-old. What do you have? Eight tackles, two and a half sacks.

Yeah, he bought pressure. They sacked when they had pressures, and he made sacks on big time.
He then finished the game out with a joint. Some question.

Man,

who the Browns got this week, Joe?

To be more careful.

That's crazy. I don't know if come on, on, man.
If y'all don't win this one, man, you already know what game this is, bro. This is going to be the game Miles Garrett breaks the record.

It's only two other quarterbacks that got more sacks than

oh man, the Titans. Oh, we're about to go crazy on war, man.
That's so sad. Where he at? 18? Man, he at 18.
Oh, no, no, is he at 19?

He had 19. I think he had 19.
He had 19. Yeah, yeah.
He had 19. Oh, my.
Yeah,

yes. And listen.

He go get 20. He go get 25.

He go in this week. He going for 25.
25. You see, he putting him on it.
He wears it on his little wristband. He got the tape on there with the 25 on it.
He's shooting for it.

I ain't picking him for defensive player of the week unless he get 25.

I don't care if he get

five. If he don't get six, I ain't picking him for

defensive player of the week next week because he should have went on and got 20 you want him to go get the you want him to go get the record just right now it's the titans bro come on

see you did not look that's how you know that man's so nice you just force him like you gotta go go get five sacks it's at the crib that's crazy five sacks they done gave up what 48 six 48 yeah they the team you can't get you can't get a six piece miles come

talking about crazy the defense the defense probably gonna get six miles probably get three of them.

Nah, nah, miles. Listen, man, go ahead and get you a six-piece.
And after you get it, just walk out and step it and just sit out.

I don't care if the third quarter just sit out the rest of the game just

and then do your wrist like this

just the whole time for the rest of the game. Just do it like that.
Come on, man. Let's go get a dub.
Let's go ahead and Shador is going to beat the number one overall pick.

And then talk about the Titans.

Go ahead and be Walt.

We got to go over here to uh we gotta go over here to baltimore i ain't gonna lie

i'm hopeful

a little now because the ravens been playing trash yeah look look look my man and my good man lamar i hope he's okay but you know what i'm saying but he yeah

but but the ravens did put out forest fires i mean raging forest fires last week defense they last couple of weeks they've been balling defense

i don't i don't i don't need that defense to be playing like like that against us. That's what I'm saying.
And our offense hasn't been looking too good against bad defenses.

So we got the hope. We got the hope.

Who's going to be starting quarterback for us this week? Do it matter.

Do it matter. That's a good question.
Our offensive scheme,

do it matter?

Nope.

What's going to happen? What's going to change? What's going to change? What's going to change?

Dude, we still still got we done passing everything

quick. Yeah, we can't

what

you're right. I'm trying to think of what we got to do.
I'm trying to think. We still like it.
We got DK, and he hasn't been. We got

DK ain't gonna be able to get nothing because it's only DK. I'm gonna double DK.
DK ain't gonna be able to piss and drop if I'm another team. I don't care about nothing else.

You're gonna double him.

You're gonna have to prove to me you can beat me with everybody else. Yeah.
Well, then keep throwing it to Washington, Jalen, Gainwell, Lyon, just gotta

make some holes.

Okay.

You know what? This is what we're gonna do.

What are we gonna do, Deep?

We'll talk about this on Friday. We'll talk about this on Friday.
Yeah, Dave. Right now,

it's too early. Right now, this is what we want to do.
We want to thank you guys for coming on and joining us, even though Joe was running around

sweating nervous, nervous, nervous as a hooker in church. I'm telling you, man,

hey, Joe, listen, bro. Real time.
In real time, I was stressed out. I'm trying to tell you, man, you're my guy, bro.
Thank you, brother.

Hey, I kill, I kill everything over you, even the rock. But if you ever cross me, I'll kill you with the rocker.

Yeah, daddy, I hear you, dude.

Something's wrong wrong with you, bro.

Seriously.

Love you, Debo. All right, boy, I love you too.
And we out.

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