BEST OF NFL Week 13 Part 2: Unc & Ocho CALL OUT the Colts for FALLING OFF as they LOSE AGAIN, Vikings NEED to get Justin Jefferson a NEW QB or TRADE HIM!

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The Seahawks beat the Vikings 26. uh 26 nothing ahead of the season Ernest Joan IV.
Oh Joe,

you remember Ernest Joan IV came on to say he's trying to see he's trying to end the season with six interceptions with six games to go.

He already has a career high for picks, including one he returned today for 85 yards.

His first touchdown. In the past six quarters, the Vikings have totaled zero points, 13 first downs, and 162 total yards.
God.

Hey,

I got a question.

How long before Justin Jefferson can't take it no more?

I gave him another year because it's been very prosperous over there for the first four or five years of his career. So it's just

a down year this year. But is that the Vikings being cheap? What you mean being cheap? Who are they supposed to pay?

Sam Darnold. Unc, that ship is sale.

So now with a... Well, you ask me who that is being.

And guess what? And now you're starting to see Jamie McCarthy has an injury problem, Ocho. Remember, he missed all last year.
How many games did he miss this year? Guess what, Ocho? He hurt Ian.

This is the funny thing about it. Is he really hurt?

Is he really hurt? Matter of fact. Well, he got to be hurt.
Did you see that quarterback play today?

He got to be hurt. They played him.

Trust me, they don't want to play him.

They don't.

They don't want to play him, Ocho. I'm sorry.

He got to be hurt.

Maybe they wanted to see what he looked like.

You said him in practice. You know what he looked like.
But, you know, sometimes in practice, you know, it'll tell you enough until you allow somebody to play in the game.

Some people... They practice bad, but play good in the game.

I ain't never seen that from a quarterback.

Hey, hey, he was bad today, boy. No, no disrespect to young bull, but like,

I'm not even sure how you have disrespect: 19 to 30, 126 yards, four interceptions. Damn, four.

See, you know, maybe the Viking go get Kaepernick.

Who

Who you say he gonna get?

Who you say he gonna get

you got jokes

who that man say you say capital? No, man, the man's still working, he's still in shape.

Listen, you want somebody that's gonna give you a chance.

It's over. It It ain't.

Did you see what Justin Jefferson had to deal with today?

Yeah.

Give him a chance. It's been over.

Ain't nobody giving him no chance. They didn't give him a chance.

The year that he got released by the 49ers, nobody gave him a chance. You think somebody going to give you a chance a decade afterwards? Hello?

Well, he's better than what they got in the room right now? No, he's not. No, he's not, Ocho.
So you think Cap ain't better than what we saw today for the Viking quarterback?

Nope, nope, nope, not after 10 years out of the league. Nope.
Cap was never a proficient passer, Ocho.

Who else we got out there right now?

What the fight? What the Vikings gonna do? What the Vikings gonna do? What are we gonna do?

They better go get, I guess they try to get Kyler Murray if they cut it.

Kyler

Minnesota try to trade for Mac Jones.

I'm picking up what you're putting down. Mac Jones, huh? A passer of the ball.
Yeah. Now they can use that.
Now, the important part is who we got calling the plays.

The same guy. Okay.
Okay, okay, okay, okay. We cooking a little bit.
We cooking a little bit. Hey, Mac Jones.
Yeah.

Mac Jones. But he's on the contract.
He's on the contract for another year with the. Oh, don't worry about that.
Don't worry about that. Don't worry.
We're taking care of him.

Oh, you're going to get him out of here. We'll take care of him.

We'll take care of him. I'm talking about we i'm i'm just come on mac joan come on down there come on down there with my boy uh jj

so you can see what it's like to throw uh throw to one of the best in the world flacco will be available nah flacco from the stay in cincinnati

what about jameis oh now you cooking unc you hey unc boy you know hey you a your ball knowledge is phenomenal you hear me hey um but your ball knowledge tonight is phenomenal yeah you cooking

You cooking. Okay, all right, let me take that back.

Jameis Winson, he's going to throw that ball. Joe Flacco, he's going to throw that ball.
Or Mac Jones to the Vikings.

I like that. I like those three.

You like either three of them. Yeah, and Justin Jefferson would agree.
Matter of fact, let me call him real quick.

Man, look here. At this point in time, Justin Jefferson would take me at quarterback.

I'm going to call him. I'm going to tell him right now.
See, this is a good, this is a good thing. That's what I like about Nightcap.

we could talk about players and then pick up the phone and talk to him about

JJ.

What's up, boy?

Shoot, man. I'm telling, but I'm right here.
I'm right here on Nightcap. I'm right here on Nightcap.

And we got a solution for you so you don't have no more problems going forward following next year, right?

Let me tell you what Unk just cooked up. This wasn't my idea.
It was Unc' idea, so I want to make sure I give him the credit when it actually happens.

Next year, your quarterback, we either gonna have Jameis

Winston,

yes, that Jameis, yes, Jameis Winston, Joe Flacco, or Mac Jones. Okay,

okay,

hello,

hello,

man. He hung up on me, man.

Ocho Chad say we weren't hard enough on Jerry Judy. Say Jerry Judy gave up on the uh

Wait, Judy gave me man, why y'all put Spongebob in that sweater? Where's SpongeBob at?

Go to Twitter, man. They got SpongeBob in that sweater that I had on at the Memphis game.

What is it on your page?

Yeah, go to Nightcap.

In the past six quarters, as I mentioned, they have zero points, 13 first downs, 162 total yards.

Today, Ocho, today snap a 305-game streak, including playoffs, of avoiding shutouts, the third-longest actor streak in the NFL, dating back to 2007.

Ash, they say they want you to put it on the screen.

We can't show it's it's a gay scan footage. No, I'm talking about the uh SpongeBob.

Oh, well, they've been telling me to play the Jerry Judy clip.

Yeah, we can't play Jerry Judy.

Wait, what happened? What happened to Judy?

I guess

the route that he ran. No,

oh, they animated on the sideline? Yeah, nah, bro, we can't play that. NFL take all our money.
Hey, who got it? Ash got it already?

No, no, it's the footage that on on the sideline. Y'all gonna have to.

I mean, Ocho

can Google it, but no.

What a matchup we got, y'all. This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Non-stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lick.
Chants echo. Drum beat.
Everybody's showing that school pride. Game like this?

Yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Mmm, yeah. That taste always hits the right note, just like the band at halftime.

And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice cold Coca-Cola? That's a winning combo.
No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows.

Fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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Oh, Joe, the Texans beat the Colts. Colts lose their first game at home 20 to 16.
CJ Stroud was money on third down, going six for seven for 79 yards.

Those conversions played a big part in Wish Houston's second half, which they were able to give them enough to win. CJ Stroud, 22-35, 276.
No touchdowns or interceptions.

Nico Collins, five catches, 98 yards. Big, big, big.

And he had a touchdown rush on a, you know, they tossed it to him. Higgins had five for 65.
Schultz had seven for 55. Xavier Hutchinson had two for 29.

But

things are getting tight. That division is going to be really,

as a matter of fact, don't. Indy play Jacksonville next week, right?

Yeah, Indy play. I think Indy plays Jacksonville, and the Texans play KC in KC.

That's going to be nice. That's going to be nice.
Yeah.

KC better find out a way to block those edge. Will Anderson Jr.
and Daniel Hunter.

Yep, them boys, them boys bowling. Them boys bowling real well.
I mean, I watched some of this game. Obviously, I had multiple TVs on at the cigar bar.

And every time I looked over at this game, obviously there was no sound on this one. I had the sound on the on

the Browns game. Every time I looked over, goddamn Pierce was making a play and making a catch.
He was making a big play.

Obviously, I thought Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor almost got loose, but he wasn't able to get loose and have some of the crazy games he's had throughout the season. But

well, I gotta neutralize him. If you neutralize him, you somewhat good.

I'm gonna make Daniel Jones beat me, Ocho. I'm gonna make Daniel Jones, but

I can't let JT run for 150 180 200.

because if he can run like that guess what is gonna happen ocho they're gonna play action off of him they're gonna kill you and so cam cam binum obviously one of my favorite one of my favorite safeties in the nfa he had an interception

uh

what else see yeah see they see they stroud had him had him a nice little day

yeah he had an interception they got to him uh but uh you know at the end of the day you got to win the game and they they they won they won the ball game to pull themselves back.

It's going to be very interesting. Indy's 8-4.
Jacksonville's 8-4. Jacksonville is a quiet 8-4, too.

That ball didn't go in. You heard me?

Jacksonville is a quiet, a quiet 8-4. Yeah.

I looked at this in real time, Mocho. If you look at that in real time, ain't no way that kick went in.

You don't think it went in?

No.

If it didn't go in,

they would have said it was no good.

How did the fans react behind it?

The fans, the Colts fans are holding up their hands like it ain't no good.

I thought it was no good in real time.

You know, them refs sitting right there, right there, field side, and looking

right above. Yeah,

I saw some refs miss a damn tripping call tonight, too.

The Broncos tripped the guy a Mariota when they got that sack and then they also missed it as he was down so don't tell me about the referee being right there because the ref is right there he's watching the quarterback he watched the guy kick his leg out and trip mariota he saw that mariota goes down

and they talk about third no bro you missed a tripping call and a sack first of all the sack should have been null and void because he tripped him

But Carol, but the Texans getting back in this thing, Ocho, and they needed to.

They didn't want, because what you call it would have been 9-3.

They'd have been 6-5.

No, they'd have been.

Yeah, they'd have been 6-6.

So

they fighting. It's going to be tough, Ocho.
Y'all only hoping y'all got to win y'all division.

Don't worry about that.

Listen,

we're going to be all right. The Bengals don't be all right.
Anybody else in the AFC, they don't want to see us right now.

They don't want to see us right now while while the defense is playing the way they Buffalo want to see y'all.

Buffalo wants to see y'all

and the Ravens want to see y'all after

everything they're looking for because we got we got Uno back, we got Joe back, we got T back, we got our defense playing lights out crazy despite where we look, despite what we're ranked statistically.

You hear me? Because that wasn't no 36, that wasn't no 32nd ranked defense we saw uh Thanksgiving Day.

It was it definitely was, but y'all

y'all raise your ugly hands again. No, it won't.
No, it won't. In the span of a month, Ocho, the Colts have gone from a multiple-game lead in AFC South to fighting for their playoff lives.

Today's loss dropped them into a tie with the Jags for the division and sets up an absolute massive game between the two teams next Sunday.

The Colts have lost three of their past four games after posting the best record in the NFL through the first eight weeks. Hey, the Jags beat the Titans by the score of 25 to 3.

Trevor Laws through for 229 yards, two touchdowns, and didn't throw an interception for the first time since the Jags loss October the 9th. He finished with 111.5 passer rating for the first time.

He's posted a rating better than 100 since week eight of 2024.

Julius Chestnut. said the Jags punter Logan Cook threatened to kill him.
He said he would kill me. He came up to me and said he would kill me.
Never heard that one before in my life.

That was strange, especially for a punter. You know, it's strange.

I wouldn't even tell nobody that. Hey,

why?

Everybody talking.

Y'all like that dry snitching on everybody, man. Keep that stuff to yourself.
Fez, it's okay.

It's okay.

Hey, but a Titan, Titani.

I wouldn't take first of all. I ain't taking anything a punter say seriously either way.
Man, shut your

hey, um,

but what do Titans need, huh?

What the Titans need? Cam.

Hey, Cam Ward is good.

Cam Ward is good. Now, there's only so much he can do.
What they need to put around him? Cam Warden needs a dog, man.

He needs a dog. Weapons, a running back.
You need a running back. You don't like Tony? Hold on.
You don't like Tony Pollard?

You need a running back. You need offensive lineman.
You need some wide receivers.

Hey. Your best wide receivers is going to be a little bit more.
Yeah, Calvin hurt. Calvin hurt.

Yep. Yeah,

they got to give him a dog, man.

But Tennessee serves you right. You traded AJ Brown.
You let Derrick Henry go.

You let Kevin Bayard go. Kevin Bayard leading the NFL

interceptions. Interceptions.
Y'all don't think y'all can use that over there?

I know. I know.
I know Jeffrey Simmons. Frustrated as hell.

Hell yeah.

Hey, Jeff.

Brother Simmons, hey, holla at your boy.

You like Skyline Chili?

Huh?

No, y'all ain't going to be able to. Brother Simmons, we'll give you what you're looking for.

Yeah.

The Bucs beat the Cards by the score of 20 to 17. The Bucs got a much-needed victory over Arizona to stop a three-game losing streak and improve to seven and five.
They have the same record.

If they had lost this game, Ocho,

and being Carolina one, Carolina would have been first in AFC South.

Hey,

hey, the Arizona Cardinals losing Unc, but they got Jam Jacoby Brissette. Boy, he dealing.
Hey, he dealing and willing, boy, ain't he?

Boy, he was 29 for 42 TD for 301.

McBride, hey, McBride is nice, too. McBride might be top five tight ends in the league.
I'm right now. Oh, easy.
For me, I would probably rank him number one. Yeah?

Okay.

Yeah. Well, over.
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You going to rank him number one over Brock Bowers?

It's close between him and Bowers. Okay.

It's very, very close. Man, Brian.
Yeah, he's nice.

I mean, really, really good.

He can route your ass. I mean,

Brock can too. Both of these guys can route your ass up.
I mean, I watched

Zach Ernst. You see Zach Ernst running that arm over? Or Hubble Fanger? You see that? Not somebody.

You can tell a route running tight. You can tell tidy is that run routes as opposed to guys that block and used to bang to pay bumper cards to get open.

You see, hey, her fanger was looking for him to bang.

Over.

That's me. I hate, no, but don't touch me.
I'm glass. I might break.

It's close. But

I love Brock Bowes since I first saw him as a freshman in Georgia. I said,

this kid can play in the NFL for a number of years, and he's going to be really, really good. He's nice.
He's nice.

Baker with 18 to 28, 194, one touchdown.

Bucky Irvin.

His two turnovers kind of deal to me in OJ.

The two turnovers for Arizona.

Brissette threw a pick

and the fumble.

Bucky Irving.

Bucky Irving back. Arizona's not that.
They're not that far away.

They're not.

But it just goes to show you

the quarterback.

I think Kyle has done it. You think so?

I do.

Hey, are you sure Arizona wants to hit that reset button already?

Yeah, they do.

Damn.

I just feel like they begrudgingly gave him the contract anyway. That's why you put the language in there that you put in.

Hey, that's tough. That's tough.
I mean, listen, he's going to end up somewhere, though.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's going to end up somewhere because he's an immense talent, you know, despite

being short or whatever people may say. But there are ways you can use him where he can be effective for somebody's offense.

McBride.

Hey, chat. Chat, can y'all hear me?

What would be a good place for Kyler Murray to go play quarterback?

Chat.

Y'all hear me?

Hello?

Yeah, how many uh catches they have on the season?

The Steelers,

the Raiders? No,

go to Pittsburgh. I like Pittsburgh.
Okay, I like the Pittsburgh one. College to the Steelers.

Raiders.

Somebody said Vegas. No, I mean, I'm getting the same two.
I'm getting the same three. He got 88 catches already.

Raiders. Well, he got to be up there damn near the lead league.

Who's leading the league? Chase?

Raiders.

Raiders? Vikings.

Wait, who got 80 catches?

McBride got 88 catches. How?

With five games to go. You sure?

I'm positive. Well, he got a thousand yards already?

He got to be damn close. Wait a minute.
88 catches? It's 879 yards. yards he got 879 how many who who leading the league chase chase got to have 90 then

no he must be leading though you got to spend the stats off because it says chase is 86. oh okay

god so he leading the league in catches

christ

I mean, there's an outside chance that he could break. I think Zach Ertz has the record most catches by a tight end.

I think Ertz had like 116 in the season. 170.
Man, that's crazy. Yeah, on the season.
Yeah. Hey, what's the record for a receiver? Wasn't Marvin Harrison held that record or it got broken?

No, no, no, no. Whatcha call him had the record? Michael Thomas, 149.
Yeah, and okay, okay, okay.

He must have broke the record.

Man, that's a lot.

Cup almost cup almost got it. He had 145 in like 1930.
So he likely got both of them.

But you see, he was never the same same after that that's a lot of catches that's a lot of collisions

i wonder how many yards think about it michael thomas was never the same after all those catches that season on yo

hey

if you take

ash good ash good at math

yeah what's up take

My season where I had the most catches, right?

And just

and just say I had 145 catches. What would my yardage be?

You will have the same, I don't know if you're going to have the same yards per catch. Oh, that's right.
Because they got to get you smoke routes. They just can't get that.

Oh, you're right, you're right. You're right.
You're right. Right.

Because think about how many screens Cooper Cup caught. I don't like them.

How many jet sweeps did you get? I don't like them either.

I don't like them.

I don't want people to have a. Boy, you'd have caught, but if you, with that average that you can't catch that many pass, boy, you'd have caught 2,100 yards.
You think so?

Yeah,

damn.

That's another 50 catches.

What's the most you are you average of the season? Shoot

yards per catch. Oh, I don't know.
You know, I don't know them numbers.

It's good hearing that stuff, though. Yeah.
He had 145 catches, you would have had 2,245 yards. The season that you had

1,400 yards,

if you'd averaged the same thing on 145 catches, you'd had over 2,200 yards.

I would have been good, right? Yeah,

yeah.

So

now you see, you talk about man. If I'd had my boys, what

they can't throw you them deep, they can't throw you that big, man. You'd have had to have 300 targets

to throw you that deep ball, you catch them. Ah, hell no.

Somebody be mad at you, because you'd have been getting all the targets.

What a matchup we got, y'all. This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Non-stop action, the band is rocking and the crowd lick, chants echo, drum beating, everybody showing that school pride. Game like this?

Yeah, it calls for an ice-cold Coca-Cola.

Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

Mmm, yeah. That taste always hits the right note, just like the band at halftime.

And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice-cold Coca-Cola, That's a winning combo.
No matter the sport, no matter the yard, everybody knows.

Fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca-Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.

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The Bond A chain ran for $124 yards with a touchdown to help the Saints,

the Dolphins help the Dolphins edge the Saints by the score of 21 to 17 for the third straight win. Minka Fitzpatrick had a fumble recovery and an interception.

Oh, he ran the two-point conversion back, right? That was a two-point conversion they tried.

He ran that back and they win. But O'Connell, oh, excuse me, O'Connell, but

Devon A. Chain been running, man.
Hey, he toting that ball. Hey, hold on, huh.
Man, I sure wish Kansas City would have gave up that pick. Hold on.

22 carries a book, 34, one touchdown.

Darren Waller came back. Much needed.
27. 47 yards.
Waddle had three for 40.

Tua, 12 of 23, 157, zero touchdown, one interception.

Shook, Tyler Shook, 26 of 38, 239, two touchdowns, one interception. V lay, 8 for 93 and a touchdown.
Chris Olave, 4 for 47 in the touchdown.

Hey, Uncle, you know Devon A. Chain was on Nightcap, huh?

Well, you know, ever since he's been on Nightcap, he's been running wild, huh?

I don't know. Listen, come on, no chat.
I don't know if it's y'all, and I don't know if you've been paying attention, but everybody that's come on nightcap, whether it be college, whether it be NFL,

they just been balling. They've been doing, they just, I don't know what it is.
I don't know if it's a coincidence. Man, what happened to my goddamn camera?

It's trash.

I don't know what's going on, but

yeah.

Devon A-chain.

Hey, hold on. The Dolphins scared me today.
They almost lost this game now. Yeah, they did.

There was a two-point version away from being tied. Man, Cam Jordan still out there ball.
He had two sacks today.

Chase Young had a sack. They sacked him four times.
Ocho, you remember the Alabama running back that came on last week?

You know, he had a broken jaw. And we tried to reschedule.
He said, nah, I want to go on nightcap with Uncle Docho.

So he was talking to us with a broken jaw. He was?

Yep.

Damn. And when you break your jaw, how long you got to stay out? He couldn't, but he didn't play.
That's why he didn't play in the game, Ocho.

And his agent, and his agent told him, said, Nah, you don't have to come on. He said, no, I want to go on nightcap with Uncle Docho.

All right, that is dope.

That's dope.

So, Kev, heel up, man. Thank you for coming on.
We really, really appreciate it, man.

Really, really appreciate that. Means a lot.

What else we got? Justin Herbert threw two touchdown passes. Despite a hand injury, Chargers send their Raiders to the sixth straight loss.

Herbert broke a bone in his non-throwing hand during the Chargers' first option.

After covering it with a hard cast and a white glove, he spent the rest of the afternoon taking shotgun snaps and handing off to the running back whenever possible.

Where he spent the dress of the half carving up the Raiders.

Hey, the Raiders, hey,

I don't even know what to say.

I don't even know what to say. The Chargers did what the Chargers did.

Everybody right now that has to play the Raiders, you might as well chalk that up as a win. You can talk about it as a win.

The Chargers look good.

Now, I'm concerned for the quarterback situation, though. He has to get surgery in that hand.
How long is he gonna be out

they might not have surgery on it what they gonna put a club on it not a club but uh where they put a they put a hard calf with a top top of it and he got he probably got to wear a glove huh

oh they said he's gonna have surgery ocho oh yeah so i guess he'll have uh uh

they'll probably put a uh uh uh uh a carbon fiber or titanium plate with something that's lightweight so it doesn't weigh them down it'll be hard i can't imagine him taking snaps up on the center.

That jarring, yeah, every time.

Ooh, that's gonna hurt, boy. Golly.

Hell, if anything, then he should have had surgery after the game.

He'll probably have it tomorrow. Yeah, Herb and get that out the way.
Herb and get that out the way fast.

Uh,

Vidal, he came on the show too, Ocho.

Hey, he was balling today, boy.

Came on the show. He was balling.
They had some really nice catches.

Brock Bowers had four catches, 63 yards, two touches.

Chin,

well, you never like to see your safety have this many tackles, but he had 17. Hey, but buddy be coming to the party, boy.

He finna pull up.

He don't need no address,

but you wearing the wrong jersey. He will be there.

But right now, we got a two-game lead in the AFC West.

And we got the Raiders. I think we got the Raiders this week, don't we? Did we got the Raiders this week? Oh, yeah, I told you what was going to happen.

You hoped? No, I'm not. I'm not hoping.

You got to understand how football works. The Raiders can't keep on losing game after game after game after game.

At some point, there's going to be a game that they're going to win, and the game they're going to win is going to be against a team that nobody expects them to lose against.

Watch, I'm telling you.

Okay. Oh, Joe, it's time to play a fade presented by prize picks.

Hey, I feel good at night, boy. God damn.

Who did?

Oh, damn.

I got to do this right. I got to get this right.
Okay, Drake May, 271 pass and rush yards tomorrow. How do you say pass? You say pass and rush.

Yes.

What'd you think? Drake May? Hell yeah. Wait, who are they playing? They playing

the Giants.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

All right, we're going over.

Hunter Henry, 39 receiving yards. Hey.

Yep, that's his favorite target.

Jackson Dart,

more than 30 rush yards. Yes, I'm going over.

Because one thing about it, when he don't see it,

I would say going on. You think so? All right.

Yeah, I think it'll be hesitant.

Yep.

Ashum, but he ain't learning. Exactly.

Trevor Yah Henderson, more than 81 rush and receiving yards.

What do Giants rank offensively? I mean, defensively, against the Rush?

Giants good against the Rush?

Shoot, man, they got, they got, they got. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, he gonna get that.
They dead last against the rush.

Hey, you know, it's funny, how they dead last against the rush with so many good with such a good uh front.

Well,

they give us an average of 157 per game. Yep, that's good enough for me.

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It's good to be right.

ocho as i mentioned before the patriots beat the giants by the score 33 to 15.

new england led 30 to 7 at the half giants special teams uh guess what marcus jones who will be the all-pro return of this year uh a 94 yard point return to really break it open and christian ellis boy he a look ocho i told you yeah i told you last night you say he go i said ocho he ain't learned his lesson yet yeah yeah no no no no he ain't learned his lesson

how he went flying check when you see a guy going flying like that that means he's totally relaxed. He didn't brace himself.

So he's running because when they teach you to sprint, what do they tell you to do? Relax. Relaxation.
So he's totally relaxed.

This is the only time they get, you're a runner. Yeah.
They can't hit you like that no other time. Right.
They're not going to pull up.

They are going to try to unload. And boy, he had a

Jackson Dart must have had an air tag on him. Because boy, when he honed in on him, he,

I don't even know what an air tag is, but I hear people talking about it. Yeah.
I hear people talking about air tags and they can find somebody's location.

Well, listen, he found his location, and then guess what, Ocho? You see him on the kickoff? Yeah. Go to sleep.
Yeah. Decorating, hey,

Jackson Dart has to be safe, he has to be safe. He's a special player.
He's going to be special.

What he can do when he has the ball in his hands, being able to extend plays, make things happen off a script outside of the scheme that outside of the plays that are called, he's going to be good.

But he has to learn to protect himself and know when the journey's over.

It's okay to step out of bounds. It's okay to slide.
You don't have to be taking on DBs. You don't have to take on linebackers and prove that you're tough.

That team is going to be good. Once they get Malik back, once they get Scatterboat back, they're going to be nice.
I think they're right to make it.

Maybe get a

playmaking safety or corner.

Maybe an offensive line, because I think they have the pieces, OJo. I do think they have pieces.
The Patriots are really, really good.

One thing they're really really well coached we know that about break yes sir we saw that in tennessee tennessee y'all made a big mistake y'all made a big mistake you should have never let this man out of the building coaches like him don't come along often no you let derrick henry out the building you let uh uh uh aj brown

excuse me out of the building yeah

you you can't keep having turnover like that you can't be personal i mean because you you get if you get too involved as an owner it becomes personal you're gonna get rid of the guy and i think that's why the patriots were so was lasted so long is that Mr.

Kraft stayed away. He didn't let his personal feeling, what he thought about Coach Belichick get involved, and then you can let things blossom the way they should be.

But man, when you look at them, Drake made 24, 24, 31, Ocho, 282, two touchdowns. You've got a 29 carries,

a buck 19. Hunter Henry, four for 73.
Ramondre Stevenson, three for 30, three for 40, excuse me. Boute

had four for 35 and one. Kyle Williams had one for 33 and one tuck

they are very good very

look they ain't got nobody that they don't got no big name receives that jump off the board at you oh they ain't got hey drake may have but they got that guy yeah see if you got that guy ocho

i don't i don't think people understand how good drake may has been like i obviously i knew he was good i didn't know he was this good huh yeah i didn't know he was good hey i agree every I think he's though he has a completed percentage of about almost damn near 70%.

70% dating back to last year. And I'm not talking about 70%.
Completion percentage throwing screen, not bubble screens, not check downs, not throwing to the running back.

I'm talking about plays over 20 yards, 20 yards or better. And that lets me know, for one, he's not scared to let it rip.

Not only is he not scared to let it rip, he is insanely accurate with the ball as well. Yep.
So, and you know what I like about the receiving core?

You say they don't have a superstar receiver, they don't have a true number one, but every game, somebody else shows up

every game somebody else huh the guys fit yes they fit yeah look at he had three completions over 30 yards he had a 36 yard to hunter henry a 36 yard to remondre stevens yes and he had a third uh 33 yard of the kyle williams he had one two three four five six seven eight nine He had nine completions of at least 10 yards.

So that tells me, Ocho, that he's unafraid to push the ball down the

field. Yeah.
Look, there could be times you screen the ball low. Cho, I get that.
You're going to run screen to the running back.

You're going to run a smoke screen or jailbreak screen, bubble screen, whatever they call them now. You're going to run that.

But at the end of the day, at some point in time, you're going to have to take chances down the field. You're going to have to push the ball down the field.

And he's unafraid to push the ball down the field. Give Josh McDaniels an extreme credit.
Look, he might not be a great head coach, but he's an unbelievable offensive coach. Unbelievable.

Yeah, very good. Unbelievable.
He puts guys in the right position, and everybody has flourished under him. Look, I throw Tom Brady out because Tom Brady flourished under everybody.

But when you look at what he's done with Matt Jones, you look at what he did with Jimmy Garoppolo, you look at what he did with Jacoby Brissette, you look at what he did with Matt Jones.

Now you look at what he's doing with Drake May.

His ability to get the quarterback to understand

what he wants and the quarterback to be an extension of the offensive coordinator on the field

is second to none. They're like, look, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay and Andy Reid.
Yes. But Josh McDaniel doesn't have to take a back seat to any of them.
No, no, absolutely not.

Because he has success with every quarterback he's touched. Every quarterback he's had to deal with, they've had success on the field.

And like you said, the quarterback has always been an extension of him.

And outside of the GOAT being Tom Brady, the fact that he's been able to do it with everyone he's been a part of says a lot about him being the quarterback whisperer. Yeah.
And wasn't he the guy?

Was he was he the OC when Matt Castle?

You know, I'm not sure.

Was it, was it, was it him?

it was him because that then he went up going to Denver. If I'm not mistaken.
Oh, and

he was the head coach in Denver. Because Charlie Weiss left and went to know the name.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wasn't

here. That'd have been 2000 and

they lost the Super Bowl in 07.

You sure it wasn't him? It wasn't Bill O'Brien. Which one? And that's what I'm saying.
It might have been him or it might have been him or Bill O'Brien. Right.
But he left and went to the Broncos.

It was a hand. He might have went to the Broncos in nine, though.
Yeah, 08 was McDaniel. Oh, 08 wasn't McDonald's.
So it was him that lost that Super Bowl that lost the Super Bowl? Bill O'Brien?

McDaniel C from 06-08. Okay, yeah, okay.

So

it's,

his ability to

have a vision of what he wants his offense to look like and to communicate that with the quarterback and get the quarterback on the same wavelength so they see things eye to eye. Yes.

He's unbelievable. Like I said,

he's been a lot of places as a head coach, and it doesn't work. But play calling when he's just responsible for one thing, the offense,

Ocho. Yeah, listen, he's one of the best.
He's one of the best.

Ocho. Yo.
We saw something tonight, Ocho.

I hadn't seen this since Peanuts. The last time I see somebody miss a ball like this, it was Charlie Brown.
But Lucy moved it. Wait a minute.
What happened? Did you see the kicker?

Oh, you talking about my dog, Young-Ho?

Yeah. Hey, hey, I'm not sure, but you got to keep your eye on the ball.
You got to keep your eye on the ball. And listen, me, me as a kicker, you know, I understand.

The one thing you do, you should never be able to miss a kick. You should never be able to stub your toe.
It's all about the foot, hand. I'm talking about the foot and the foot and eye coordination.

Like, ocho. You do that so often.
How does that even happen? Not by, oh, you're okay. Let's, because we've seen guys, they get too much of the ground and they kick the ball and it doesn't go through.

We ain't seen nobody miss the whole damn ball and just don't.

Hey, uncle. And the holder, looking back, the holder, like, hold on.
You got me down in this down position. They about to tear my ass up.
Let me get up out of here.

Yeah, hey, hey, I've never seen that. Listen, I've never seen that.
In all my years of playing football,

I've seen them hit the dirt. like, like, you know,

when you swing the T and you catch the dirt before you hit the ball. Yes, yes.

I've seen that. But I've seen stub your toe and not even make contact with the ball at all.
That's the first.

I saw, look, I've seen guys kick the ball low and kick the guy in the ass that's snapping the ball to him.

I've seen guys get hit in the head with the ball that's kicking it, but I've never seen, he missed the entire ball. Oh, Joe, he wasn't even close to kicking the ball.
No, not even close.

Not even close. And I'm with Jackson Dart.

Jackson Dart, like what the yeah that's what i said too that's exactly what i said yeah what the f i'm like bro i'm i'm hoping that hoping that that doesn't cost him that doesn't cost him his job

he lost his job in at least

he went somewhere else and shanked some kicks yeah

damn you know but it's it look

You have to have mental toughness to play a professional sport and to be good at it.

But when you get them demons as a kicker,

it's like a golfer. You get the David Duvall in Baker Finch.
You see guys, you see guys, second baseman, Chuck and Loblock. They couldn't throw the ball to first base.
They play a second base. Yeah.

They couldn't throw it. But Rick Gangkill, he was a pitcher.
He had to move to the outfield on your because he couldn't get the ball across the plate. But you got a problem, Monk.

You got a problem. You have to understand.

Certain positions on the football field, certain positions, they get chances over and over and over to prove themselves. Kickers, games are one and lost on your goddamn leg.

Games are one and lost, and you can change the trajectory of a game and it's ending on your leg. You don't have opportunity to be making those kind of mistakes,

especially in games of importance. Now, it's a bad thing that the goddamn Giants are 2-11.

So, I mean,

it doesn't make any sense, but

coaches want consistency at that one position. If I have to be able to count on one thing, it's having a kicker that can be consistent for me and always give us points once we get in field goal range.

They might not be good right now, but I want to be around when they do get good so I get an opportunity to kick.

But doing stuff like this here, guess what, Ocho? They saying, I got to go into the market. I got to get me another kick.
I got to get me a kicker. Because

the one that we have, he isn't reliable. Right.
And I've got to be able to count on you. Because more times than not, these are one possession games.
Yeah.

You might have to kick the ball to get us into overtime. You might have to win it.

We don't know, right? But I need to be able to trust you.

I can't go out there, Lord, have mercy, please let him make this kick.

Every time you go out there, I mean, I'm gonna have to pray every once in a while, but if I got to pray every time you go kick, I gotta pray for the PAT. I gotta pray for the field goal.

I gotta pray you don't kick it out of bounds.

That's too much.

I don't mind praying, Lord.

Don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind praying,

but I want to use some of those prayers for something beneficial. Yeah, right.

You know what's funny too? Also, when it comes to kickers in the NFL, I know there's 32 of them. They're 32 teams.
They're 32 kickers, but they just like quarterbacks, huh?

They're just like, I'm talking about the good quarterbacks.

I'm not talking about your regular, your Aubreys in Dallas, your Cam Willis, your McPhersons. You know, those top dudes, it's hard to find those that are consistent.

Hell, if you play for the goddamn Cowboys, you get to the 50, 50-yard line. Wait, you not even, no, you get to the 40-yard line, not even your 40.
Yeah, 16

you in range yep you in range mcpherson cincinnati kicker he just hit 65 not too long ago you get to the 50 you in range yeah cam little killed 60

cam little i said i yeah cam that's what i meant cam little

hey man come on man there is a it's only a few of them you're right

But uh, yeah, yeah, that was a, that was a, like I said, I could be in the minority chat, but I don't think the Giants are as far as people think they are. Nah.
I think they got guys.

I think, you know, Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence coming along. Thibodeau is out.
Thibodeau normally. Was he out today? Because

I didn't see him. I think he's hurt.

And I don't know if he's going to be back.

I don't know if they picked up his option, Ocho, his fifth year option. So I'm not sure he's going to be back.

And then plus the fact that you got Abdul Carter, you took him with the, what, second pick, third, third pick in the draft.

So there's a likelihood that you're probably going to move on from Thibodeau. I'm not sure.

But you got Brian Burns, who you played a lot of money for. You got a lot of money tied up in the bank.

He got a lot of sacks, too, now. Who that? Brian Burns.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying.

So you got pieces that you can build around. You got to, like I said, Dexter Lawrence is a top defensive lineman.
You got Brian Burns, who's a top edge rusher.

You drafted Abdul Carter with the hopes that he could be the opposite of Brian Burns. So you have guys that can play off each other.

Like the Broncos got Bonito and Cooper, or you got verse and you got young at the rams you got guys that can play off of each other yeah and so you hey you slide the protection one way i get one-on-one hey

somebody gotta eat i just i think i think the giants are really really cold close i just think the quarterback needs to be a little smarter

um live to see another day you got to know when the journey is over right everything hey everything's i i get it if it's a situation like in the super bowl where john had to do the helicopter that's one thing

but in a game like this here you're on the sideline bro get out i'd rather you go out of bounds and be two yards short as opposed to get the first down and take that shot because bro you're not built for that you're not built to take those kind of shots

nope not not at all not at all he a he's exciting though he's exceed he's exciting to watch ocho mike kafka was asked why abdul carter didn't play the first quarter it was just my decision not to play him this is the second time in three weeks yes sir ocho you got drafted guy the third pick in the draft.

Ain't no way you just make a decision to arbitrarily sit him out. Well, obviously something happened.
It was discipline, discipline reasons. We don't know exactly what it was.

Ocho, he got disciplined a couple of weeks ago.

What's not resonating to him?

I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. You know, you know, you know.
Remember, he fell asleep and missed the walkthrough. Yeah.
Oh, you know, hey, things happen, yada, yada, yada. It ain't going to happen again.

Lesson learned. Boom, boom, boom.
Right. Here we are.
Basically, two, three, inside of a month. Yeah.
And we got this again, oh, Joe. What is it that he's not getting?

Bro, this is professional football. You're not at Penn State.

You're not at Penn State. And you can get away with that at Penn State because you were the guy.

There are greater expectations of you, Abdul Carter. Yeah.
Ocho. Yes, sir.
This man, think about it now. This man says, you know what, I want 56.

Well, if I can't get 56, let me get the double hockey sticks.

let me get level 11 do he understand what those jerseys mean and what it's about first of all 56

you ain't gonna name you can't name you can't name two first of all i think lt is the greatest defensive player ever yeah I can make a case LT is the greatest football player ever.

Just give me a little time. I'll let you debate who you want to debate.

You can take Brady, you can take Payton, you can take Jerry, and I can make a case that Lawrence Taylor is the greatest football player ever because he's the guy. He made two two positions famous.

No other player has made two positions famous. He made the edge rusher famous and he made the left tackle famous.
Because if you couldn't get a left tackle to block him, you couldn't beat the Giants.

And if you couldn't find an edge rusher like LT to rush the quarterback, you couldn't put pressure on the quarterback. So he made two positions famous.

Go back and study, like I said, I know, look, LT, you know, the drugs and all that other stuff, and he had some stuff off the field after his career. Right.

But I don't think people realize, because there are a lot of guys that's won three defensive player of the years and stuff. People don't realize how good LT was.
They don't. I understand.

They do not realize. I mean,

whoever you think the best foot, but the best defensive player that you've seen with your own eyes, if you're under the age of 40, whoever the best player is,

make a case and I'll make a case for LT. And when I'm done, you're like, yeah, LT the best.
Yeah.

Yeah.

Whomever. And I think there have been some fabulous.
I played in the era with LT, with Reggie, with Bruce, with Tyne, with Ray Lewis, with Mike Singletary, with

Leslie O'Neill, Howie Long. I played in the league with some great ones.
Yes.

But he different.

He different.

He set the bar. He set the standard for that position as general.

I tell you what, when you name your top five defensive players, he ain't never left off that list. Nah, and most of the time he's number one.

Most of the time, he's one.

You're absolutely right. But man, look at Ocho.
Watching, watching the Patriots

and seeing how disciplined and how well coached they are.

Well, hey, you know, everything is easy when you have a quarterback, too, huh? Oh, yeah, you understand that when you have a quarterback like that, that with his decision-making is as good as

it, as good as it is,

man. Goddamn, boy, listen, Josh McDaniels,

I don't know what it is. Like, everything fits over there offensively.
Not only do you have a quarterback, you have the pieces, the complimentary pieces that fit just right.

You understand how to put each player in the right positions to play to their strengths and hide their weaknesses, if there are any. But every player has weaknesses.

Yeah, for sure.

You play to a player's strength and you stay away from his weaknesses

as much as you possibly can. Yeah, and

Josh has mastered that. And Drake May is having a effing ball doing so.

Them boys, 11-2, man.

Drake is in his sophomore year.

It's his sophomore year, right? Yes.

They won 10 games

after losing the previous year. They lost 13.
Only the 99 Colts.

Because when Peyton got there, they lost all those games. Then the next year, they were the number one seed in the AFC.
Yeah. Now, that's crazy.
That's crazy. Yeah.

But when you have that guy,

when you have that guy, when you have that one foundational piece. Yeah.

Hell, I can build anything on a solid foundation. But that's all it is.
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