Club 520 - Starlito & Don Trip on Luka Doncic & LeBron James, Step Brothers 4 drop

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Speaker 1 all right, man. We back another episode of Club 520 Podcast.
I'm the host. My name is DJ Wells.
We got some special, special guests in the building, man.

Speaker 1 Glad we could finally make this happen for sure, man. We got a special setup.
It's only right, man. We got the whole gang with us.
We're going to introduce them last.

Speaker 1 But to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B. Hen out the Prairies.
How you what, Nasty? What's happening, Shaman? Let's get to it. It's going to be a good one right here.
Now, listen, man.

Speaker 1 Normally, we ask our guests on this show, you know what I'm saying, how they feel about the mountain, the pile, the black forces with the white laces. But Lito put up with his own, man.

Speaker 1 You said the toe. I like this energy.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that shit for sure, bro. It's love, man.
And when you see somebody walk up in them shoes, what you think of Trip?

Speaker 1 I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 I only wear Jordan, so I don't.

Speaker 1 He's like, man. That's a unique kind of, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It took some effort because them shits don't come with white laces.

Speaker 1 See, he either bought the white ones, took the laces out and ditched them, or he purposefully went and bought bought white laces and ditched the black laces.

Speaker 1 But either way, that's a whole lot of effort for

Speaker 1 some black porters, man. Nah, but that's just a staple, man.
That's what I do. I can dig.
That's like putting

Speaker 1 that big-ass

Speaker 1 Rolls-Russ grill on your Chrysler 300.

Speaker 1 He should be excessive. So you pull it to the light.

Speaker 1 Look, bro, got the black and fourth swab. It's crazy.
Did you ever picture the white laces in that Jordan at all? Nah, not until I started watching y'all show.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 That's big. The trail setter for sure.
They got a pile of them.

Speaker 1 It's a throw on the black horses.

Speaker 1 There's plenty more around this motherfucker, too. That's a fact.
Most definitely to my far right, my dog, young nacho. Young Tig, how you what? I'm chilling.
And I still fuck Stacey Dash.

Speaker 1 Boy, chill, bro.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, I felt it when he said

Speaker 1 he out of the pocket.

Speaker 1 He out of pocket too. What

Speaker 1 I'm excited, man. It should be a good show, for sure.
Man, listen, special, special guest, man. Glad we could finally make this happen, man.
Freaky Mike, it was early in this podcast.

Speaker 1 We all had our list of people. We won on this show.
Off the rip, he said, we got to have the stepbrothers. We made it happen, man.
Leado, trip. Appreciate y'all pulling up the 520, man.

Speaker 1 It's an honor, for sure. Thank you, man.
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Man, glad we could finally make this happen. And like we said, all our homeboys, even us, we big fans, man but especially our homeboys they press the line with this too oh for sure

Speaker 1 yeah for sure shout out to the jamar who say y'all names

Speaker 1 yeah shout out to my older brother too

Speaker 1 i can dance

Speaker 1 everybody uh keys

Speaker 1 keys gonna call me yeah

Speaker 1 we was playing street ball the other day he's called me he was like oh no no no no my back play street ball you ain't tapped in i'm like i got you man

Speaker 1 for you shout out my dog kees man for sure man. Listen, we appreciate y'all sliding on us, man.
Let's get first into it, man. What made you both start making music? What was your inspiration?

Speaker 1 Who are some people y'all looked up to early on that kind of molded your sound? How did y'all wanted to get to it?

Speaker 1 Um, I guess I'll leave that. Uh,

Speaker 1 man, Chris Cross is what made me want to be a rapper.

Speaker 1 When you know, being a kid, I don't know how much older they are than I am, but when I first seen them, you know, it was a fucking, you know, it was a marvel to see kids rapping.

Speaker 1 So, of course, I, I, you know, I

Speaker 1 gained the inspiration to become a rapper.

Speaker 1 I thought I would become a rapper right then, which I'm glad I didn't because what I had to rap about then wasn't worth, uh, it wasn't worth me rapping about in the first place.

Speaker 1 But that's where it started. You know, the idea or the passion, I think it grew from that to see that kids could do it.
And it didn't even really start working out for me to, you know, mid-20s.

Speaker 1 But, you know i think

Speaker 1 i think you know it's life it happens how it happens you know the you know the things had to take place in order for me to be in the right space and i think not to be arrogant in a manner but i think i had to grow to become an artist and you know but that's where it started once i seen them it was a light bulb i couldn't dim for sure yeah it was probably ice cube snoop dog early like west coast west coast stuff dog oh lifestyle aesthetic of it, like

Speaker 1 just, you know, being a little kid and seeing that, just thinking it was cool and imagery from the movies and all that. A little later, probably the high boys for sure, the next thing.

Speaker 1 Like, that was a time period when I probably started rapping. Before then, I just thought, you know, rappers were cool or whatever.

Speaker 1 But a lot of times I was in high school, like, wanted to want some money,

Speaker 1 wanted to look like it, and et cetera. And then when I actually started rapping, it was like more of the lyrical rappers rappers that kind of got my attention.

Speaker 1 Jada Kids, Fab, the East Coast, like DJ Clue mixtapes. True that.

Speaker 1 But it was still, you know, the Hot Boys and Wayne, the squad up era, was probably like the biggest influence at the time that I started rapping. Damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when Wayne turned into

Speaker 1 a whole different kind of rapper. That's crazy.
You said squad up tapes. People forget how fired those squad up tapes are.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that was before the dedications. Yeah, do your research for sure.
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 Man, first of all, we're going to get to the music, but dying that, man, we pulled up to the game. I know y'all both love basketball.

Speaker 1 What's y'all first thought process when you see Luca and LeBron on the same damn team?

Speaker 1 Because that shit's still surreal to this point. I know we just watched the game.
It's still crazy. When I walked in, I was like, that's why them tickets was so damn high, too.

Speaker 1 But it was, I mean, I'm like, you know, two legendary players, like, really almost a generation apart. You know, seeing them on the same team like that, it's like, damn.

Speaker 1 I still don't know how they pulled that off. Yeah, that's what I think when I see that.
Highway robbery. What really, you know, what's really going on.
Highway robber.

Speaker 1 Something.

Speaker 1 It's also crazy

Speaker 1 to see LeBron defer to somebody. Like, I ain't, you know, LeBron ain't probably never been.

Speaker 1 I ain't going to necessarily say the second best player on the team, but that's kind of the role he's playing. And

Speaker 1 that's different. Damn, I never thought about that.
Because he was chilling the whole game. The whole game.
Yeah, he was chilling, bro. He had two points with him for the paid vacation.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he was killing at first. He was going crazy, but uh, it was a few times he really like motioning for Luca, like, come get the ball.
Like, you got it.

Speaker 1 Damn, yeah, I seen LeBron play up here like three or four times. It ain't never looked like that.
I wish he had done that shit when I was playing.

Speaker 1 I didn't got the ball every time. Yeah, it wasn't on the first.
Nah, can y'all see them winning the chip? I was thinking that too. Like, bro, players step up.
Like,

Speaker 1 man, the way Hayes looked and uh what's doing that? Rui, yeah, they hitting shots like that. Yeah, they got timely.
They got some bodies,

Speaker 1 they got a chance. I ain't gonna lie, they do got a chance, most definitely.
Obviously, we know your original basketball, man. Your man's coaching, head coach, CSU.
How's that, man?

Speaker 1 Girl with your partner. Now he's leading men at the university.
You know what I'm saying? The round away. He just called me.
For sure. He said that y'all got a point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I swear he just called me.

Speaker 1 He was like, I swear y'all.

Speaker 1 that. That's funny as hell.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Collins. Yeah, I talked to him yesterday.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 1 That's uh, I mentioned him twice in that song because,

Speaker 1 like, that's one of the, you know, it was my partner since middle school, and he wanted a few people like still getting paid out basketball, you know, for us to come up together and it was all our dream at one time.

Speaker 1 Like, he's still living it, you know.

Speaker 1 And so that's surreal. I mean, I went to TSU, so it was just super cool.
You know, he had the hometown school, HBCU,

Speaker 1 you know, setting some records, tennis records, and everything else.

Speaker 1 Job security and otherwise, I'm just proud of them. That's why.

Speaker 1 Both of y'all hooped?

Speaker 1 Who? Both of y'all hooped? No, no.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I never really been able to get along with people.

Speaker 1 What kind of thing? Yeah, what I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 My mama said,

Speaker 1 even when I tried, tried to, uh, I tried to go and like try for a basketball team. Mama said, hell no.
I'm like, mama, why? She said, you don't get a good, you know, you don't play well with others.

Speaker 1 And I didn't, you know,

Speaker 1 but I was an angry kid. Yeah, I had a lot going on.
So, you know, basketball wasn't going to work. I would have probably been

Speaker 1 like the, you know, run our tests.

Speaker 1 Dray Mont Gray. No, it'd have been all going into stands.

Speaker 1 She was a real crash out. Yeah, yeah.
It wasn't. So you need

Speaker 1 forces.

Speaker 1 He didn't destroy like the mid tops.

Speaker 1 See, it be shit like, I don't know how, you know, I don't know how accurate or how often it happens. But like, when I see like basketball films and I see the like the,

Speaker 1 I don't know what the fuck y'all call it. The shit that you know the rookie treatment shit.
Oh, yeah. You hold another nigga bags.

Speaker 1 Man, to be so many niggas on team with black eyes.

Speaker 1 When we get to the game, we got, you know, we got to catch the bus and all that shit.

Speaker 1 When we get there, I'm going to be the only nigga to suit up. They got to give me that bag and I threw them motherfuckers to the side.

Speaker 1 But, you know, when I realized I couldn't do, no, I couldn't

Speaker 1 be a team player in that aspect. I said, yeah, you know, sports ain't going to be for me.
I can't, you know, it don't work for me. I'm ready to fight.
You know, I don't know how to do the,

Speaker 1 I don't know how to take orders and I don't respect seniority when it's, you know, I don't know. That shit didn't, it just don't work.
My nigga, I just talked about that on the show earlier today.

Speaker 1 Like, that respecting your elder shit is overrated. No, I ain't, you know, you're going to have to, if you don't give it, you ain't getting it back.
Exactly. And, you know, and when I was little,

Speaker 1 when I was a kid, I don't know what kind of, like I said, I had a lot going on. It didn't really matter if you was bigger than me.
I might lose the fight, but I'm going to give you a fight. Nah, for

Speaker 1 So, you know, basketball wasn't going to work out.

Speaker 1 It wasn't going to happen. He was like, you know,

Speaker 1 he won't stop fighting the team.

Speaker 1 You know, yeah. You said, fuck OTM part, my teammate.

Speaker 1 We ain't got to the game. We're going to have some.
It's going to be some fights at practice, the locker room, all this. It's a lot of shit.
I just, you know, I never really been able to tolerate.

Speaker 1 So I ain't really got, you know, even now, I don't got many friends. The friends I got, I've known since I was fucking 10 or 11.
Yeah, I know, Craig for like thing, like 15 years now.

Speaker 1 But you know, I don't know. I just don't work well or play well with those.
So

Speaker 1 that wasn't gonna work out.

Speaker 1 No kind of way.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 1 I played high school, AU and

Speaker 1 I wasn't trying to go to small schools that was looking at me. I stayed at home.
Oh, damn. Oh, see, he thought he was all-star.

Speaker 1 No, it was like going to to like the bottom of our body. He said, I ain't doing this.

Speaker 1 So what you had, like some D2s or something looking at? It was like D2s, D3s. I had a couple of looks, but I remember, I think, Tennessee Tech, one of their coaches kind of holler at me.
I was hype.

Speaker 1 That feels solid.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to tell you.

Speaker 1 I go in the coach's office. They looking at film and shit.
I'm hype. And

Speaker 1 the first thing the coach asked me, he was like,

Speaker 1 Hey, you know DeMarco Pope? Shout out to Marco. He was Mr.
Basketball. Yeah.
We're partners from around my Moore. I was like, yeah, like, why? Like,

Speaker 1 basically, it was like, shit, we recruit you if you can help us get him.

Speaker 1 She's a fucking

Speaker 1 and I would have said, fuck you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That and uh, TSU coach at the time was uh Nolan Richardson,

Speaker 1 third, maybe,

Speaker 1 Arkansas coach, his son.

Speaker 1 He was at a tournament and his son, the fourth, played in high school at the same time. And I dunked on his son.
You know, we knew each other. We was cool and shit, but it was over with.

Speaker 1 You know, that's why I wanted to play.

Speaker 1 Out the gate. Yeah, so.
Oh, you fucked up your chances.

Speaker 1 You don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 That was like our arrival and you like around locally or whatever.

Speaker 1 So after that, I skipped the grade and shit. I graduated young, and it was shit.

Speaker 1 That's that's why we, I think we all can relate to y'all music because y'all talk about stuff that like seemed like like around our area. Like y'all talk about wrestling and shit.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, damn. When I first started listening to that, I'm like, damn, they rap about everything I grew up watching and doing.

Speaker 1 I'm 36. Oh, yeah.
We ain't that far. We ain't that far apart.
Yeah, we're right by y'all. I turned 40 this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but when y'all said all that shit, like when y'all was talking about like Randy Savage. Give me Undertaker cask and all that shit.
I was like, yeah, I'm tapped in.

Speaker 1 Because that's when I first started listening. Because my brother and them was like, you tripping.
Because, Lito, you rap like you talking.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, Yeah, he ain't rap, he's talking. They like, that's the whole beauty.

Speaker 1 He's chilling. You like these hype-ass niggas.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 This shit kind of hard. So I started listening and they put me on.
Shout out to my brother Terrell, man. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, shout out to Big Bro. Man, obviously, y'all had careers before I got to each other.
What was the first time y'all linked up? Y'all first, like, all right, I kind of fuck with him type shit.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 listen, my timelines are hard. Probably 2010.
Okay, okay. Yeah, it was 2010.
I don't know no dates and stuff. We like formally met through yo Gotti, actually.

Speaker 1 Dr. Gotti?

Speaker 1 I was in business with him, and he was like looking to work with Trip when he was coming up. And

Speaker 1 kind of, you know what I'm saying, placed us around each other, but we started working kind of on our own within that.

Speaker 1 I mean, Craig can kind of tell you how to do it. Yeah, we just, I was on the road with Gotta, and he had a stop in Nashville.

Speaker 1 And I don't know what the hell Gotta gotta had to do i don't really like um

Speaker 1 i don't like tagging along when don't got nothing to do with me

Speaker 1 no no no i'm just saying well you know he was on a side quest

Speaker 1 not quite

Speaker 1 i you know in and

Speaker 1 gotta have going on he had business to tend to

Speaker 1 i ain't want to be the nigga sitting watching him do what he got to do. I want to be along for the part of this that involves me, but certain shit didn't involve me.

Speaker 1 So, like, you know, God is going to go do a verse for so-and-so.

Speaker 1 All right, they might be in the fucking studio five hours. I'm just going to be a nigga sitting in the studio.
I don't smoke, I don't drink. So, I'm going to be a sitting in the studio like this.

Speaker 1 So, when you know, he, whatever he was going to do, you know, it was in that kind of, you know, he wasn't doing nothing that I needed to learn from or watch.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 while they were doing that, um, I think Stodnam had lined up a verse for another one of God His Artists. So I was like, all right, I'll ride with y'all then.

Speaker 1 So I had no idea we were going to Lido's studio. So when we got to Lido's studio, he set him up to do the feature fast forward.

Speaker 1 He said he, I don't know how he did it, but that was our first time meeting each other. And at some point,

Speaker 1 his people came down and told me, you know, the guy wanted to buy a verse for me. I'm like, man, I don't, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't know anybody in here. I just met him.

Speaker 1 So when I, you know, later on that night, I found out that Starr pretty much was the person that convinced dude to get, I don't remember who the hell it was that got the verse, but we was on the road.

Speaker 1 And what I was doing for,

Speaker 1 you know, my

Speaker 1 profession at the moment, well, at that moment, I couldn't do that traveling. So, you know, my pockets was a little light.
He couldn't have knew, you know,

Speaker 1 me getting some bread right then was, you know, that shit was like oxygen. So him lining that up, that kind of

Speaker 1 on it, that kind of changed my perspective of who he was. You know, again, it was my first time meeting him that day.

Speaker 1 And all the way up until then, me being only familiar with his music, but being familiar with rappers,

Speaker 1 I had the

Speaker 1 preconceived notion that he'd be more like... rappers.
When you meet, well, you know, I can't speak for everybody, but when you meet rappers, some rappers don't turn the rapper shit off.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, you can tell that you know, you're acting. I don't, you know, I don't need the camera version of you.
I need the real version of you.

Speaker 1 And for me, so many, and it still happens even to this day. But that's how I, that's how I assume Star would be.
So when I met him, you know, I, you know, I met him.

Speaker 1 I was, you know, so, you know, I, and I went back downstairs. So later on, after, you know, finding out he lying that verse up for me, and we sit, we rap for a second.

Speaker 1 We sit and we talk for a second.

Speaker 1 And, you know, he i think that was the

Speaker 1 the thing that made me have to be a little more open-minded because i'm like you know i assumed he was this kind of guy and he's the total opposite so he just made me some bread he ain't made nothing off it and he had no no he there was nothing invested in it for him he had to have just you know fucked with me for you know he had to have done that just because he fucked with me as an artist because he don't know me as a person yeah so from that you know i think you know that gave me the um

Speaker 1 i don't know like i said i don't work well with others, so that was, I guess, that was like the olive branch, so to speak.

Speaker 1 And he couldn't have known that, but that was the, you know, the gesture that made me say, all right, you know,

Speaker 1 you're a cool dude. You know, I could, you know, get to know him and see, see where this goes.
For sure. For sure.

Speaker 1 All right, man, before we go any further behind, it's time to get some drinks up in here. Oh, yeah, Barbie.
Oh, man. I didn't know what my guy was doing.

Speaker 1 But that's freaking my guy. You got to figure out what that means sometimes.
Be a couple things. Barbie, what's happening?

Speaker 1 What's going on? What you got for us today? Oh, we got blackberry and blueberry union. Okay,

Speaker 1 what's in the blackberry and blueberry?

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, okay.

Speaker 1 Give me a mock tail.

Speaker 1 All right, Barbie. I got that, but it was record time, but Barbie never been out there.
I'm never gonna get out this way.

Speaker 1 I'm about to say she was, she was on cute. I was like,

Speaker 1 Flip the motherfucker. Here we go.

Speaker 1 You got all the drinks you need.

Speaker 1 She got to get out of here. Usually she stayed a while.

Speaker 1 You was looking for a little chair.

Speaker 1 All right. She usually stays.

Speaker 1 Chop it up.

Speaker 1 Not to die.

Speaker 1 Moving on.

Speaker 1 She had your notice gates on. Shout out to the

Speaker 1 So, what was that moment y'all knew y'all was gonna collab and work together? Yeah, I was gonna get to that. Um,

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 1 not right away, necessarily, that first session, but even prior to then, like, from the first things I heard, like, I like you said, I rock with it. I, I, I saw promise in it.

Speaker 1 I felt like he was without knowing him, I felt like he was going somewhere with it. And when we started working, it was like right away, like

Speaker 1 one, it was, it was effortless for him. And

Speaker 1 I just, I took to like the, just the new, like fresh energy of it. Cause when we met, I probably was like five, six years in the game.
I had, I think, signed a deal like five years before then.

Speaker 1 So I was damn near at a point of almost like

Speaker 1 turning the corner of finding like a second win almost and trying to figure this shit out outside of having a deal.

Speaker 1 finna go on my own and he was getting a deal so it was like part of it for me was like paying it forward. I like, it wasn't like big homie kind of time because we really about the same age.

Speaker 1 But more so, I'm like, man,

Speaker 1 if I can help bro skip some steps or not make the same mistakes I made or any of that, that's why I kind of felt like it was almost like a role I was due to play.

Speaker 1 But as far as making music, it was just effortless. You know what I'm saying? The first couple songs we did, it was like,

Speaker 1 one, he just like killing the shit right away. But

Speaker 1 it was also like the first time I kind of met my match or met my equal as far as on just the like talent skill level. I'm like, man, this nigga can rap like bar for bar, word for word kind of thing.

Speaker 1 So, and it wasn't, it wasn't like a competitive, like,

Speaker 1 you know what I'm saying, looking over your shoulder. It was more like complimentary.

Speaker 1 I was going to ask you because.

Speaker 1 Like I said, all my friends listen to it. So we used to battle.
We used to rap y'all shit and be batting like, nah, he beat him here. he beat him here.
Did y'all feel like that?

Speaker 1 I know y'all just said it wasn't competitive, but did y'all feel like that? Like, I play my little brother one-on-one all the time. We competitive, we family, though.

Speaker 1 At the end of the day, we want each other to get better. Yeah, like, was it like that for y'all? Nah, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 No, like, that's, and I think that's probably why we still rocking 15 years later. Because rap groups don't last.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You can kind of run down the list.

Speaker 1 I think what happens is

Speaker 1 we might have like favorite verses. Like, you know, I would say for every song, I probably got a favorite verse, but

Speaker 1 all those favorite verses ain't mine, if they make any sense. No, it could be a particular record, and I really fuck with his verse.

Speaker 1 And like he said, you know, I should,

Speaker 1 it's,

Speaker 1 I don't know, because it's not a competition in any shape, form, or fashion. Like,

Speaker 1 if you ever sat in a session, or any person that's ever sat in a session, like,

Speaker 1 we even on that kind of time like when we start working we working in unison and we might speak to each other about where we're going depending on you know what kind of record it is but for the most part our verses are wrote at the same time damn so when he go into the booth to do his i'm going to do mine or vice versa whoever's first or whatever order Most of the time,

Speaker 1 our verses are wrote pretty much at the same time. Or I might be, well, one of us might be closing the verse and the other one just finishing.
He go in and record it. And we like to,

Speaker 1 at least when it happens, I believe in just letting shit flow naturally. So if I'm writing my verse and he say something in his verse while he recording.

Speaker 1 Nine times out of 10,

Speaker 1 I'm probably at the end of the verse. But either way, if he said something that inspired me to say something, or if I like the line, he said, you know, we'll repeat the line.

Speaker 1 You know where it came from. Or sometimes you don't.
We don't much care because what we're doing, you know, we're both fully aware of what we're trying to build.

Speaker 1 I want you to like the song, I don't want you to like a verse from the song, yeah. So, you know, when we're doing the shit, we ain't really,

Speaker 1 I think it's competitive in a sense, but not so much.

Speaker 1 You know, we don't sit and say, oh man, I gotta get. Well, sometimes, but that happens,

Speaker 1 no, that happens on feature. Sometimes people get a verse from both of us, it's seldom, but they get a verse from both of us, and

Speaker 1 it's only a select few people we'll allow to get both of us on the song because we feel like you know, that's fire, that's lending our brand. But when it happens,

Speaker 1 most times I don't know the stars on the song,

Speaker 1 so when it happened, you know, I'm gonna just

Speaker 1 do what I do. And then, Craig, it's happened a few times.
Craig called me like, you ain't tell me you was for the verse on it, too. Like, yeah, I didn't know you was on it.
48 bars on the song.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm doing it on it. Sometimes we're not getting on there, bro.
Yeah, sometimes it'll just take over. But that's, you know, but other than that, when we know when we're creating,

Speaker 1 especially like stepbrothers music, whenever we create music that's stepbrothers, we do it in person. So, you know, I'm fully aware that

Speaker 1 he's on the record. No,

Speaker 1 you know, we don't really know. It's like, it's like steel, sharp, and steel.

Speaker 1 It's more than, yeah, you know, we, like you said, y'all play one-on-one is like sparring in that sense but when we working it ain't the end game is for you to feel the finished product so it's like

Speaker 1 i mean for sure there's been times i'm like damn he killed me on that but i that's like a good thing that means the song was better and and i'm supremely confident that when I go in and work with him, I know what he's going to do.

Speaker 1 So I can't have step or, you know, I know I'm going to get smashed on the song. So it's more so that.
Like,

Speaker 1 you know, you, you sure want somebody to make you better. That's a fuck.
True that. Most definitely sure.

Speaker 1 I wanted to ask you this question because you said, you know, when y'all first inception of meeting each other, you was just like, I seen somebody at position. I can help.

Speaker 1 Like, he's solid if I can help him skip a couple steps. Because I first heard you, you know what I'm saying? Great goose.
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Speaker 1 I was like, okay, he cold. So then you said, time progressing.
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Speaker 1 Being with the major, being with other artists, and then having your own spot. Like, do you see somebody going to say that situation?

Speaker 1 Both of y'all obviously get a lot of respect for being great, independent artists in your own right.

Speaker 1 I always like to be like, okay, I know what I've learned, but I'm not going to hinder what he's going through because I want him to still have his journey.

Speaker 1 But I'm going to still give you the game so you don't make the mistakes. Because we know this music industry can be really, really crazy.
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Speaker 1 Man, it's really like,

Speaker 1 I don't know, I think you got to be kind of like a messed up person to be willing to watch somebody like,

Speaker 1 like I said, make the same mistakes and go through the same

Speaker 1 things you went through. So

Speaker 1 to me, at his breakthrough point, he had it more together than I did.

Speaker 1 I was 19 years old making club crunk music and just trying to, you know, when I get with cash money, that's like a dream come true. Like I said, I was inspired by the Hot Boys five years before that.

Speaker 1 I ain't started rapping. maybe four years before that time.
So I'm like, it's whatever. I'm just trying to get in where I fit in versus like

Speaker 1 he got he got in the game really more so off of like emotion driven like personal passion record like and just like no frills it was like it wasn't about a a single it wasn't about you know what i'm saying it was it was him just kind of being himself i'm like damn like

Speaker 1 it was more so like i on a fan level even like man don't change that don't let the game change steer you away from that that's what works that's what got you here kind of thing and And

Speaker 1 I think it's just, like I said, paying it forward, man. I believe in karma and all this.
So I would want to go to the rules.

Speaker 1 Like I would want to do what I would have wanted somebody to, you know, the game that I wish somebody would have gave me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, it was never like the irony, we have made so much progress in history together. But it was never about like trying to like make something or get in on a situation.

Speaker 1 It was like, I met him at a point where he had options. like she could have signed with them, them with him.
It was a little bit of everybody trying to rock with him.

Speaker 1 I was even in a position where people was like, Man, you should get in. I'm like, nah, I think, well, he, you know, his trajectory is bigger than the help I could directly offer.
But that's real.

Speaker 1 I'd just rather be like in on it. It's a lot of artists where, like, I met him early on, I was around.
And whatever small part I might have played in their story, I'm like, I just counted it as like,

Speaker 1 that's what's up. I mean, it's a part of my legacy, too.
I was there.

Speaker 1 I reach out to everybody, too.

Speaker 1 I don't have to know you. I think, you know, many people don't respond.
I just use, that's really what I use social media for. So I be feeling like if

Speaker 1 I know you, you,

Speaker 1 you know, about to make a mistake and I don't do nothing to prevent it, then I feel like I'm at fault. I feel like it's my fault you made that mistake.

Speaker 1 I don't know how much sense that that really makes, makes, but

Speaker 1 I don't know. It almost seemed like a duty.
Like I have to say it. I got to DM you and say, hey, man, you know, you got this and this moving.
You should maybe,

Speaker 1 you know, do X, Y, and Z or not do X, Y, and Z. And, you know, I tried not to give people advice because, you know, my shit, my path wasn't perfect either.

Speaker 1 So I can't tell you what wouldn't work or what won't work. That's real.
But I can tell you what I did and how it went wrong. And, you know, you take from that what you will.

Speaker 1 And, you know, if you can make it make sense for you, then that's great. You know, we can't all dunk.
So, you know, nah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Leo, I wanted to ask you, like, what's the benefits of signing to a major, though? Spending somebody else's money, number one. Yeah.
But owing it back.

Speaker 1 I mean, but

Speaker 1 that's it.

Speaker 1 If you don't, I mean, if you ain't got it, like, shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But,

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a lot of benefits to it. Truthfully, like,

Speaker 1 they move the needle on stuff. Okay, it's a lot, it's a lot of relationships.
Um,

Speaker 1 these companies in partnerships with each other, like, it's like backdoor type of situation. So, it's better to be on that side of the things is moving, I guess, tricks of the trade.

Speaker 1 But, like Trip said, like,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever you take on the front end, you're going to compromise something on the back end. Yeah,

Speaker 1 for sure. Shout out to the shout out to the gang, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, the thing now is just to be independent in the rap game and a lot of people go into it with no education behind it and shit on last time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not even the least bit. But see,

Speaker 1 I think it's pros and cons to both sides.

Speaker 1 And music just happens to be, at least rap music. I can't say music as a whole because I don't have experience in other.

Speaker 1 genres of it. But rap music don't got no prerequisites.
Like, you know, you want to play ball, you know, you got to start

Speaker 1 damned for elementary school. You got to do the AAU shits, and you know, you got to do all the camps and shit.
But

Speaker 1 it's things in place to teach you how to become,

Speaker 1 you know, how to play team ball

Speaker 1 or how to adapt to it.

Speaker 1 Even, you know, as you progress to different levels of it, you know, when you get to high school, you know, you play a little different than you played in elementary or middle school.

Speaker 1 Then, you know, same for college, same for if you go into like summer league, same for when you go to the actual league it's a learning process but it's it's it's things and people in place to teach you how to move along with that and the rap business man

Speaker 1 it's it's more filled with people that that gatekeep if anything like ain't no you know ain't no ain't no there's no way to learn this before you jump in this like you almost got to make the mistakes to to figure it out And a lot of the people, like, you know, we feel the opposite about it.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people that feel like, shit, nobody helped me. So, shit, I ain't helping you.
And, but that's the tricky thing about the music business.

Speaker 1 So, right now, the, you know, the fact, the, the trend is to be independent because the word independent sound, you know, it may, you, you sound self-sufficient.

Speaker 1 You sound like a self-made artist or self-made boss. But in real life, you really want to do whatever benefits you.
So I wouldn't say don't be independent. I wouldn't say go be independent.

Speaker 1 You got to go with what works. So if you step in it and you spent however much you spent and you can't sustain doing this shit, because in real life, you got real life to deal with.

Speaker 1 You know, that's why they say it's a young game. I don't agree, but I understand why.
But they say it's a young man's game. It's a young man's game because you got the time to be able to.

Speaker 1 to go through the shit you got to go through. At 19, signing to a label, then owing them fucking $500,000.

Speaker 1 Having to deal with that at 19 is a whole lot smoother than dealing with that at 36.

Speaker 1 You got four or five kids.

Speaker 1 You know, you got more responsibilities. You don't got the room to have to deal.
No, well, you don't have the room to be able to work through that or learn from that.

Speaker 1 But in the music business, people think, you know, if they like right now, they think signing to a major is the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 1 In real time, it's not. I think you just got to know what you're getting yourself into.
And, you know, it's more about your plan. Right.

Speaker 1 And if you don't got a plan, I don't know. You can be signed without a plan and get lost on the sauce.
So you can be

Speaker 1 independent. You can't be able to do it without a plan.
You just saying you're independent kind of thing. I think

Speaker 1 signing up or whatever is just kind of like being able to work your plan. Because

Speaker 1 even that, that's the thing. Like

Speaker 1 the time that I was signed, it was like going to school.

Speaker 1 I use it. I ended up using it as the education yeah okay

Speaker 1 like because it was a lot that i saw things working for other people i wasn't in the same position they was in and i had a leverage or otherwise but i saw like then they working yeah outside of just the the machine and all like that i'm like man these dudes never stop working and so i'm like all right i'm gonna apply that i might not be able to scale it the same way but i'm gonna take what i got and and just double down on what works for me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's what's super dope about y'all is that obviously y'all put your head down.
And the music sells itself, and y'all both have cold followings.

Speaker 1 We talk about the independency opportunities and stuff now. You think it's a little bit easier for artists to jump into the game now because of social media and stuff like that?

Speaker 1 Because you got people like Jell-O who come in. We now know him as a rapper.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jell-O could have smacked it. Now he's gone.

Speaker 1 Sword hit that code.

Speaker 1 Look, I've been saying, man, name wrong forever. Then I thought it was like Jello or something.
He said Jello. I'm thinking

Speaker 1 jelly. Jello.
I'm like, sign his name, jello. Oh, I don't know if you want the copy.

Speaker 1 I was like, damn, so this man.

Speaker 1 I was baffled. I'm like, it's a rapper named Jello.

Speaker 1 Access is plentiful, man. Like, you know, you can

Speaker 1 blow up faster. You, you know what I mean? You can reach.
You can go further faster because of all the resources. The internet make the world very small.
True.

Speaker 1 And so people can get hip to the same thing like even for y'all to say i was on great goose like what it took to get that record high was a lot of footwork was a lot of like street team pressing vinyl records and him delivering them putting them in a mailbox sending them to djs like going to louisville for kentucky diaries like this probably the trickle down of it reaching indianapolis from last week going to all the hbcu football classic weekends like we jumping out in traffic with like guerrilla marketing versus now it's like a streamer plays your song

Speaker 1 and it goes everywhere the next day.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, that's that's beautiful for you know, yeah, I guess for people that can advantage themselves off of it, but it's also like you know, it's like microwave stuff, like the food don't taste as good.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and not only that, but like I said, ain't no ain't no courses for this shit.

Speaker 1 So, you know, you take a

Speaker 1 19-year-old that didn't have any aspirations of being a musician or being in in the business. And, you know, they did a song and it popped.
And now they're in the mix.

Speaker 1 Imagine how easy it is to manipulate, well, you know, for the industry to manipulate that person. He learned nothing from it.
You know, he don't know how this works.

Speaker 1 All of it is new. And this shit moves fast as shit when you're important.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and that's the tricky thing about it. A lot of times when, you know,

Speaker 1 a lot, shit, I'm sure we've all experienced it, you know, especially you, the whoever recruited you disappeared later.

Speaker 1 You know, they, they, they did all of the fantastic shit to get you where you was going. Yeah.
And then once you got there, you, you wasn't prime queen no more.

Speaker 1 They niggas, they moved on to the next one to, you know, to do the same process. And a lot of times what happens when you're not, you know, when you're not familiar with the process,

Speaker 1 you'll think you're on top of the world and you never start

Speaker 1 adjusting or you never start. Like you said, you got to learn from what's going on.
So if you're on top of the world, you never start learning.

Speaker 1 What happens when, because there's no way to be there forever. So what happens when that shit slow down?

Speaker 1 What's your next step now? And in a lot of cases, that's what create, you know, we see it all the time.

Speaker 1 It happens almost every day. You'll see a person that was some kind of social media sensation.
And now they got all kinds of weird legal troubles and shit.

Speaker 1 But it's because they was at, you know, they was on top of the world at one point and they they never fully adjusted to, you know, to be able to manage not being on top of the world. It's almost like

Speaker 1 an instant high. And now you're chasing that high.
And in some cases, you'll never get it again.

Speaker 1 But that's because, you know, shit's a whole lot.

Speaker 1 It's a whole lot easier to get it popping, but that don't necessarily make it easier. Yeah, it ain't no such thing as a street team no more.
That's not it. No, you got to keep media team.

Speaker 1 Those are called gang members.

Speaker 1 I had a question. So we was listening to music earlier.
And yeah, five times one of my favorite songs. But when y'all heard Seeing Green by like Nikki,

Speaker 1 Wayne, Drake, and them. What's that?

Speaker 1 It's just a song, bro.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 well, you know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 1 I ain't looking.

Speaker 1 I wasn't going to dig

Speaker 1 in.

Speaker 1 Man, it's a song you was assigned to sample. Yeah, I'm saying sample.

Speaker 1 I ain't know the name of it. I never heard it actually.
What you was asking about the name of the name?

Speaker 1 Like, do y'all be like, damn, like, I mean, I know it's a sample, but it's like, because we knew when I first heard it, I'm like, damn. Boy, I heard this before.
Man,

Speaker 1 I want to shout out Shannon Sanders. It's a producer, songwriter from Nashville that actually, I think, produced the Heather Headley song that was sampled.

Speaker 1 Somebody I know for like 20 plus years, I thought it was cool that they were sampling his work, you know, the same way we did.

Speaker 1 It's one of them situations, man, because this happened to me like

Speaker 1 a lot of times in my life,

Speaker 1 like where

Speaker 1 things get recycled, re-rocked, repurposed, and

Speaker 1 very rarely, like, I ain't looking for acknowledgement there because that's her song. It's their song.
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Shout out to me.

Speaker 1 It's very similar.

Speaker 1 It's a very simple beat. And I mean, that's hip-hop.
You know what I'm saying? Like, people are making the same song down there word for word, note for note, you know, over and over.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 when I heard it, I was just like, I thought it was interesting because that's one of our biggest songs. Man, what?

Speaker 1 That's that shit. I was like, I'm like, nah, I never heard your song.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he ain't heard it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 nah,

Speaker 1 I'll be thinking on.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't really believe believe in coincidence.
So

Speaker 1 a lot of times. No, I didn't either.
It's too close, bro. It is.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I remember the producer dude met doing,

Speaker 1 of course, not the one that made ours,

Speaker 1 but the dude that went viral making it in his car. Yeah, people was tagging us.

Speaker 1 Right. So,

Speaker 1 you know, I guess I was already conditioned for it. I understand

Speaker 1 the,

Speaker 1 I guess, the process now for how they make beats yeah it ain't is um not to say i don't know he knows who made it uh street seven made it in birdie money okay look my bad greeted you know shit happens um

Speaker 1 either way like the the the sampling process ain't the same no more it used to be you know they take the vinyl and you had to like

Speaker 1 you had you had to put some work in to to create the sample you was creating to make the beat. Oh, yeah.
And now it's a whole lot different.

Speaker 1 Like it's websites, they already got the samples already cut up. So that's just an instant

Speaker 1 take it. Right, you take it and start and drums.
Yeah. So I never heard

Speaker 1 Nicki Minaj's song on the beat, but I know I was aware that they used the same beat. I'm just not,

Speaker 1 just wasn't nothing I was interested in. So it didn't work.
So that don't really even bother you.

Speaker 1 I mean, it just, when it happens over and over and over again. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's a big, you know,

Speaker 1 he got prior experience in such. But they are different too, though.
Because I can't charge it. I don't know where it comes from.
Right. That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 But I'm saying it's happened to you more than more than that. It just happened like that.
I don't necessarily. I've had scenarios where I got to the source of it and figured out

Speaker 1 where the inspiration came from.

Speaker 1 Those are different things. Same topic,

Speaker 1 the same, like,

Speaker 1 you know, same terminology, same slang. It might have been some East Nashville slang.
Like, don't nobody even say that. No, like, y'all say, How do you what? Like,

Speaker 1 if somebody, if a New York artist came out making a song saying that, I think everybody from around here would be like, damn, what they, where we adapted from,

Speaker 1 and uh, especially in real time, you know what I'm saying? I put out a song six months later. So,

Speaker 1 big artists with

Speaker 1 the same song.

Speaker 1 But I, every step of the way, like, especially just just growing up and just maturing, I take it like it's like complimentary or flattered. I'm flattered by it in its own way.
I do,

Speaker 1 like, I guess that's why I think so much when people do give me props or salute me because you don't have to. It's just as easy to act like you don't know who a nigga is.
Right.

Speaker 1 You know, so for a lot of people that do, like, give it up, I'm like, that's cool. Cause I know what the opposite feel like, too.
Yeah, true that. That was too close for me.

Speaker 1 I was the fuck to say that. I ain't.
For me, for sure.

Speaker 1 I was just like, that's too close.

Speaker 1 I really just be looking to see how he reacts to it.

Speaker 1 Real shit. Listen, clearly.
On our first tape, yeah, okay. That's it.
They did. Um,

Speaker 1 what was it?

Speaker 1 Go ham. Yeah, they did.
They did. I go ham.
I mean,

Speaker 1 they, that, that's what it was called, Rock Go Ham. My song called.
Yeah, what was theirs? That was just go ham, bro.

Speaker 1 Just him. Man, listen.
Yeah, it was. You gotta first.

Speaker 1 This is when I when you know, we, this is us first working together. Yeah.
So to see him react to or respond to that, man, that shit was the funniest shit in the world.

Speaker 1 Like, star was on some, them niggas got cameras in my house, dude.

Speaker 1 They bit it. It's my shit.
I'm like, okay, maybe. I don't really know.
He addressed that the first step brothers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's why it was funny. And me just being

Speaker 1 me being the permanent devil's advocate. I'm like,

Speaker 1 fuck it.

Speaker 1 Fuck everything.

Speaker 1 Matter of fact, you can Google it, man.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It happened.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. That's crazy.
For sure, man. We got to talk about Napsam, man.
Y'all are frequent here. Y'all got a hell of love in the city.
They always show love to y'all, man.

Speaker 1 What's it like pulling up to Nap, man, for the people who don't know, man?

Speaker 1 Man, it's. It feels like home to me.
Yeah, I was about to say it's welcoming. Because I've only ever been here in the same space and environment just like where I come from.
Okay. You know,

Speaker 1 we were talking about like where we performed, and it's been Sweet 38, which was limelight and was like

Speaker 1 been there for every phase of the same thing. Every day.

Speaker 1 Fusion and spots. The re-rock for sure.

Speaker 1 Give me your features, though. Like, shout out to Lil' E.
You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Lil E.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know it's love in the city when you can pull up the fusion comfortably. Yeah, that's love.
That's why I told you. I said, damn, well, y'all made it out.
Well, y'all are good in my city.

Speaker 1 That's a wild spot. They had to shut that motherfucker down permanently.

Speaker 1 It's like it's y'all and Boosie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Y'all like stamped in the city.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a good space to be in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you ever try to learn right music from Indianapolis, it would not be your typical people here. It's Boosie, Gotty, y'all.
Like, it's a like, yeah, yeah, plasma here.

Speaker 1 We talked to people out of town that we know about, like,

Speaker 1 big artists, you know, future. We rock with future, of course, Jay-Z, hove, and them.

Speaker 1 People don't understand when we tell them, like, when they come to my city, it's cool, yeah, but we more so, like, people who was close to us, like, more relatable.

Speaker 1 Like, so y'all stand out like way more than them, like, in our city for sure. That's it.

Speaker 1 It's fighting. Nah, for real, though, bro.

Speaker 1 Jay-Z come here and be like, cool, you know, for our age. Like, Leto pulling up.
I just told you, my boy B just said, man, ask the nigga when he's sliding back down to the city, man. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 They anticipating y'all pull up for sure. Yeah, it's always.
I mean, even when we then they have like music out, like new music, current music, it all. It's always a packed house.
We

Speaker 1 sold out them spots like wild or wild quite a few times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Had Mike Elves pop up on stage and snatch the mic from us.

Speaker 1 I don't know where he came from.

Speaker 1 Wait, me and show? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He grabbed the mic and said, y'all niggas got to smell like hot dog water.

Speaker 1 People in the club, they smell like hot dogs. That's him, for sure.
That's what that was. We didn't know where he came from.
I thought it was just another nigga standing behind us on, you know.

Speaker 1 The whole hood is standing behind us on the stage. So, you know, I don't know who was who.
So when he popped up and grabbed the mic, you know, our first reaction is, who the fuck? Hope?

Speaker 1 You know, it's fucking Mike Epps.

Speaker 1 And we

Speaker 1 had a slightest idea, you know, what was really going on, but it was cool, you know, and he just was showing love. Because he had it right back.
He say shit about that. That was ridiculous.

Speaker 1 That's Ella Brand. It's always been, you know, I don't remember the first time I came up here like a long time, but it's always been a sign.
Like,

Speaker 1 we went to the game earlier. Like, we walk into the game, probably take four or five pictures in routes.
Well, we took hella pictures and shit inside of the game. But it's just like,

Speaker 1 you know, even going, I mean, I've been coming up here to Pacis Games and whatnot, but it's like when people can see you, like you said, as far as being stamped, like, it's some cities that

Speaker 1 we only

Speaker 1 saw one side of it. You know what I'm saying? And that's the...
the hood side, the urban side. And I think people appreciate you for it.

Speaker 1 Because I do understand a lot of artists don't see that side of it. No, thanks.

Speaker 1 And no knock to them, by the time they was coming to a market like this, they might have

Speaker 1 almost outgrew the hood, or they were going to hard ticket venues, or was on somebody's tour, or otherwise. And it's like, I'm going wherever they got the bread

Speaker 1 pulling up too.

Speaker 1 Nah, for sure. Most definitely, man.
Yeah, I pulled up to the city one time and performed with the young nacho jerseys. Yeah.
That was less broad for sure. Yeah, when I got the picture.

Speaker 1 Nigga, I was starting that.

Speaker 1 I didn't know what to hear this was.

Speaker 1 I know. This one never did.

Speaker 1 I was swinging, man.

Speaker 1 See how your nigga do you, man?

Speaker 1 He knew me like this every day, man. That's funny.
It's cool. I'm turning up in the morning.
No, nothing.

Speaker 1 In a video, too, in a bone shocker like a video. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. I appreciate you.
Shout out to the team, boy. Man,

Speaker 1 he's really real fans of y'all music, man. So that's hard that y'all do that for sure.

Speaker 1 I said, That mama's revenge to my mama. She's like,

Speaker 1 nigga, what is this?

Speaker 1 I was like, listen to it. She's like, is this gospel music?

Speaker 1 Yeah, for me.

Speaker 1 I said, yeah, for me. I said, for me.
Oh, man. I wanted to ask, bro, how did y'all cross paths with Kevin Gates?

Speaker 1 Our stories is different.

Speaker 1 who want to tell that first

Speaker 1 man uh

Speaker 1 i say

Speaker 1 that was like 2013. it was before we actually met this is this is just a strain like i said

Speaker 1 i don't believe in coincidence so it happened like this i'm pulling to the crib and um

Speaker 1 when i'm when i hit my garage

Speaker 1 i take it this is just dates it is probably 2012 maybe I take the CD out, whatever I was listening to, and so the radio pops on and it's satellite radio radio at the time.

Speaker 1 Literally, when I take the CD out, I hear K-Slay at the time, rest in peace. He like, I hear him asking the artist he interviewing, he's like, man, so what you listening to right now?

Speaker 1 Like, what you got in your, like, if you have a fire disc changer, what you listening to? And the artist on there is like, man, I don't listen to nothing but Starlito.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm in the car by myself. So I'm like, the fuck?

Speaker 1 You know, I was just, I'm about to cut the car off. And I sat there and was like, now I'm curious.
Like, who is this just shouting me out on satellite radio?

Speaker 1 So they play some music when they come back. I figure out it's like Kevin Geyser.
I hadn't heard of him at the time.

Speaker 1 And I was like, man, that was real. He was like, man, that's the only artist I listened to.

Speaker 1 And so I went and checked his music out from there. And I was rocking with it.
A few months later,

Speaker 1 he had, I guess, signed with Atlantic. And one of his A ⁇ Rs had reached out to me through email and was like, man, we got this new artist we signed.
And he want to get you on his album or whatnot.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I was like yeah I'll rock with his music we can swap something out I do the verse get him to do a chorus for me kind of thing just just swap it they sent the song I knocked it out and

Speaker 1 I was on the way to Atlanta to meet Tripp we was working on step brothers too at the time and I was like man I'm about to send a song when I get to Atlanta I'm gonna go through some beats and send you the song for bro to get on and they was like oh Kevin living in Atlanta right now I'm gonna send you his send y'all each other number this is the whoever from Atlantic Records at the time.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 Brian Johnston, if I can recall.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so I'm like, cool. You know, I reach out, bro.
Like, he liked, he rocked with the verse or whatever. We went to the studio that night and

Speaker 1 he ended up pulling up at the studio.

Speaker 1 That was your first time meeting them too. Yeah, yeah, that was that was actually the first day.
Oh, no. Wow.
And

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 he pulled up to me and Trip's studio session. And

Speaker 1 like he said, well, like he said, I guess perspectives of that day was different. But

Speaker 1 we did Leech on Life from Step Brothers 2.

Speaker 1 And we did About a Bitch called Turkey that had all three of us on together. Trip ended up leaving.
And me and Gay stayed there and did about four or five more songs and just kind of chopped it up.

Speaker 1 And from there, you know, just like forged the bond. And moving forward, like me and Tripp ended up joining this tour, Strange and the Fiction tour that five.

Speaker 1 I was on his album, the NYB song, he was on our album. Yeah, toured together, and you know, the rest is pretty much history.
I talked to him yesterday, actually. Nah, it's hard, bro.

Speaker 1 Y'all, I feel like y'all kind of introduced him well to us.

Speaker 1 Like it was y'all. He introduced him to me.
I didn't know that was their first time meeting. I was

Speaker 1 man,

Speaker 1 it's never personal. I just don't, I live in a bubble, man.
It is is what it is. So when he was like,

Speaker 1 you know, my guy, Kevin Gates, spoke up. I'm like, I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 Then

Speaker 1 when Gates got there, Gates is one, like, again, this is my first time meeting him. So I'm a,

Speaker 1 I don't know, I guess I don't really talk much. So when Gates came in, he sat down and he just started talking.
And he was just,

Speaker 1 I thought them niggas knew each other.

Speaker 1 But Gates was talking, talking. And he was talking about all kinds of shit.
A lot of shit made very little sense. A lot of shit made no sense.

Speaker 1 A lot of shit made sense fucking six years later. But either way, no, he was just talking.
And he was like, one of the things that it tripped me out because it was random. But

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 you know, I guess following and paying attention to paying more attention to him afterwards, i understood

Speaker 1 for the most part he just speaks his mind but out of the blue

Speaker 1 was like

Speaker 1 you know gates uh goats eat uh eat cans they look the adhesive off the cans i'm like

Speaker 1 why the did you do that

Speaker 1 it came out of nowhere but then starts where they started playing the music and when they started playing the music i'm like okay okay i can with it i with i with the the the passion in it and all the way up until then i didn't really i didn't know who he was i didn't know who he was or what he do ain't no

Speaker 1 so we started playing the music i'm like okay no he got something and start you know we they started discussing making music and some of the that he was saying

Speaker 1 some of the he was saying about music kind of changed how i looked at certain

Speaker 1 because he i can't remember what record Star played him a record and the record was either too long or too short. I can't really remember.
But Star was like, No, it was it.

Speaker 1 He was scared he was going to make it too long. He was like, Well, you know, I don't want to do or add another verse to it or something because then the song is going to be too long.

Speaker 1 Gates were like, Man, fuck, who don't give a fuck how long the song is? It was 40 seconds. You know, that's all you got.
That's all you got. Put that shit out.
They're going to eat that shit up.

Speaker 1 And when he said that, I'm like, That's crazy. I don't even listen to him with a 40-second song.

Speaker 1 And then fucking two, three years later, everybody got fucking 40, 50 second songs. Somebody was on to something.
And, you know, the delivery was, you know, a bit odd to me. But it made perfect.

Speaker 1 Like what I said, you know, some of the shit makes sense later.

Speaker 1 But meeting him then, I could have sworn them niggas had already knew each other. Because, you know, Gace was having like

Speaker 1 personal conversations.

Speaker 1 I knew them niggas knew each other. Well, well,

Speaker 1 this nigga fucking man, having met his music prior to then, and I think the relationship he had with my music, and he wasn't shy about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of it at that point to me was just kind of listening. Well, you know, hearing him out because he was explaining

Speaker 1 how and when he got introduced to my music, which made a lot of sense to him.

Speaker 1 And I spent a lot of time in Louisiana. So

Speaker 1 it was,

Speaker 1 I think I could.

Speaker 1 You can understand.

Speaker 1 I think I understood. Some of the slang

Speaker 1 was peculiar. I'll just say that.

Speaker 1 So he knew exactly what what the saying and and we bonded right away and it really wasn't much different than than me and troop working together like the

Speaker 1 the the work

Speaker 1 the pace of the work just kind of just was just natural flow exactly like we don't waste no effort six seven songs in one session and it was all like out of here you know they was all smashes i think he was on my call target album like four times something like that yeah as much as like you know some people i get that like oh the first time i heard him was here for sure i'm sure a lot of people maybe heard me for the first time on this project and that was same thing i'm saying that's how i feel like it should go yeah

Speaker 1 because there's a lot of artists tripped

Speaker 1 early on with yo gotta working working with dolph and it's like

Speaker 1 for sure we trade the audience somewhere and there's some overlap and

Speaker 1 however whoever you hired first however you hired us like that's what it's all about like me working with the younger artists working with little baby and no cap and et cetera like i'm getting new fans new audience even though i'm 10 years older than these right as artists and it's just i mean it's just really just a solid yeah but i feel like when it's easy and fun and outed and creative to make music with artists you gotta just like you gotta ride that wave and it shows

Speaker 1 i want to ask y'all this question because you both are very vulnerable in your music you get a lot of your fan base like feel like they know everything about y'all when they meet y'all like you said you just made gates and y'all locked in because of the music.

Speaker 1 People hear your music, they feel like they know y'all instantly when they meet y'all. Yeah, yeah, in most cases, it gets real awkward.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I appreciate it, I value it, but I think sometimes people get

Speaker 1 so invested in it that they forget that you don't know me.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 even like, you know, if you're listening to my music and you listen enough for you to feel like you know me, then

Speaker 1 one of the first things that should stick out is that I ain't,

Speaker 1 I'm not welcoming, I guess, if that's a word.

Speaker 1 So, what happens, you know, we maybe be moving around. People call, I was in the airport yesterday,

Speaker 1 and a woman walked past and said, Hey, Chris, I'm like,

Speaker 1 I don't even know you.

Speaker 1 I love your music. I'm like, you love it enough to think you could call me Chris.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But that's how, you know, some people, some people be so into it that the line between, you know, entertainment and reality is

Speaker 1 almost invisible. And again, I, you know, I appreciate it.
I

Speaker 1 respect it.

Speaker 1 But I think

Speaker 1 I think, you know, we are aware of it enough and our

Speaker 1 background is pretty much the same. So we make sure to keep the boundaries

Speaker 1 present, if that makes sense. So, you know, you walk up to me and I'm with my kids.
I get it. You might not know.

Speaker 1 I ain't done trip with my kids. So, you know, I'll politely tell you, you know,

Speaker 1 we ain't doing no pictures or none of that. I got my kids.
And, you know, some people get it. More people get it now than previously.

Speaker 1 But, you know, if you don't get it, it's so, you know, I know that if this goes sideways, I ain't really gonna get or I ain't gonna interact with it.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of what's the word, I'm gonna try my best to diffuse, even if all I'm gonna do is walk away. I was in the fucking putt putt one time with my whole family, and uh,

Speaker 1 a couple asked for a picture, and I was like, you know,

Speaker 1 this ain't the, you know, I can't really do that right now with my family. And the guy just started snapping.
He was like, man, you Hollywood ass niggas, nigga, think he this, he think he that.

Speaker 1 And I was like,

Speaker 1 damn.

Speaker 1 No, see, but that's the thing. See, I earlier I told you, I don't play well with others.

Speaker 1 And you sound like him when he was taking pictures.

Speaker 1 The way my family, the way we was raised, is come one, come all.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it don't matter if you're four feet or nine feet, you're going to get everybody's feet on your ass.

Speaker 1 So, you know, but I got my kids, so I got to be a father right now or a role model, so to speak. This shit can hit the fan.
When it hit the fan, you vastly out.

Speaker 1 I took my entire, it was 30 of us in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's just how we rock. So if I, if, if any physical altercation would have broken out, it would have been the worst case scenario.
This shit wasn't going to end lightly.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I got to think 30, you know, 30 people stomping you out might kill you in here. On top of that, you know, what's the effect they have on our kids?

Speaker 1 These are small children, you know, at that time they were small, but these are small children, and you know, there's gonna be complete chaos.

Speaker 1 They, the shit, they came to putt-putt to be at a fucking, I don't know what you call it. Was that a is that considered an amusement park? Whatever the fuck it is, they came to have fun.

Speaker 1 They ain't come

Speaker 1 to see a brawl.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I gotta, you know, I gotta be, um, you know, I have to, I gotta think, think about the, you know, the consequences of how far it can go. And I get it.

Speaker 1 You love my music so much that you blurred the line. You don't get it.
So I'm going to excuse you, even though, you know, they're getting louder and louder. I'm like, man.

Speaker 1 And at this point in time, my brother was alive.

Speaker 1 And my brother is what was, was,

Speaker 1 he was extremely welcoming.

Speaker 1 But it was a facade. He was fake welcoming.
Like, you know, yeah, man, we cool. Uh-huh.
We they plotting to rob you in like 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 As soon as y'all go to whatever the fuck they, they for the, you know, they're on your ass.

Speaker 1 So even then, I, you know, I gotta defuse him because, again, the way my family rock, if he would have set it off, it would have been, you know, I wouldn't have been able to defuse it after that.

Speaker 1 Ain't no, hey, man, it's a one-on-one. We don't, we don't know what those are.
That's what I'm saying. So, you know, it would have got right, Moop.
So, niggas know now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I see Trip, he got some babies with it if i gotta leave him alone you know no it ain't you ain't got so no it ain't that severe way you know you can't speak or you know i just ain't no press though

Speaker 1 no no don't don't do the no and

Speaker 1 don't get upset with me because i ain't you know i i i'm standing on what i'm standing on and i'm in father mode i'm in father because

Speaker 1 think you know uh what happens when i turn i take all these pictures with you and now i got to go to the front and have them call do the fucking all because I can't find one of my goddamn kids.

Speaker 1 I was taking pictures with your ass.

Speaker 1 Now I'm a bad parent.

Speaker 1 No, you know, I had to, you know, I got to pick the time and the place for everything. And, you know, if I'm in target solo,

Speaker 1 I'm with it. You know, I take as many pictures as you want.
She was just at the game. I ain't turning a single picture down.

Speaker 1 When we perform, we, no, shit, we're willing to take a picture with every person that's in there.

Speaker 1 If I got my kids, we ain't taking us, not a single picture. And I don't,

Speaker 1 agree with the idea of my kids being famous until that's you know, until they're old enough to make the decision for themselves. That's real.

Speaker 1 So, I ain't for to sit here and let you take pictures of me and my family, or you know, you got videos of me, and you know, if you know, familiar with me in any sort, you check my shit.

Speaker 1 My kids ain't all over my social media. And I feel like

Speaker 1 I think it's a very thin line between that shit being cute and that shit being exploited. And I ain't trying to get no points off my cute kids, kids.
And they fucking adorable to me.

Speaker 1 But dang what I'm in this for. And I feel like, I feel like in some cases, you know, the more you let people blur the line, the more blurry it's going to get.

Speaker 1 And, you know, and that shit make my kids extremely uncomfortable. And people don't get it.
I was in, Mike came out of Target one day. I had my two oldest kids.
And

Speaker 1 you know, I'm naturally paranoid because we, you know, we come from where we come from.

Speaker 1 So, you know, when I come out, I picked this guy standing by this truck and he keeps staring at me and i'm like man you know i i had all

Speaker 1 again i'm paranoid so i've already taught my kids well i won't say talk because we've never been in the scenario so i've already talked to talked to them about what to do with you know go sideways when we out and about and i've explained to them i got enemies i've never met because because i'm successful that's what success brings that's real So, you know, when I peeped the dude, I keep walking and, you know,

Speaker 1 I'm walking on one side of the parking lot. He's he's on the other side.
So I peep him crossing. So I'm like, all right, what's up, bro?

Speaker 1 And I tell my kids to keep going, you know, because if something happened, I prefer them to be away from right here. He was like, man, I've been circling the park.
I saw you go in.

Speaker 1 I've been circling the parking lot until you came out. I was like, man, I fuck with your music so much.
He was a fan. And I was like, man, you know how weird that sounds.
You circled the parking lot.

Speaker 1 I'm like, in real time. I don't know who you are.
Like, I appreciate the love. I really do.
But I'm like, man, you know, while I was was saying that, he looked at my kids and my kids was like this.

Speaker 1 He was like, damn, man, I ain't think about that. You know, I fanned out.
And, you know, I ain't people.

Speaker 1 I just made your whole, not whole family, but you know, I made you and your family uncomfortable. He was apologizing to them and shit.

Speaker 1 And when I got in the truck, I asked my kids, you know, are y'all good? And it was crazy because they, like I said, I'm paranoid naturally. And I know that that rubbed off on them too.

Speaker 1 They was like, yeah, dad, we seen them when as soon as we walked out, we seen him staring at you. So they never stopped paying attention to him.

Speaker 1 And I told them to go to the truck when he stepped over.

Speaker 1 And when he pointed to my left, that's when I realized they only moved like two or three cars down.

Speaker 1 They didn't go all the way to the truck, but that's because they trying to make sure they see what's going on.

Speaker 1 But I say all that to say, you know, if you run into me and I'm with my kids, you know, tone it down.

Speaker 1 Keep in mind a lost

Speaker 1 Motherfucker, wave at him.

Speaker 1 Chuck the deuce keep the puncher. No, just heal up, nigga.
Okay,

Speaker 1 nigga, I saw you at Target.

Speaker 1 You look good, nigga.

Speaker 1 Just, you know, sometimes a shit just go too far, man. Yeah.
Hey, what's that feeling like, man, when people rap y'all?

Speaker 1 Y'all performing y'all song, but you can see the crowd rapping every word for for word. Like, I play basketball, so, you know, you see people fan out.
They cheer for you. They like your stuff.

Speaker 1 They have your jersey on or whatever. But somebody rapping something you wrote word for word, bar for bar.
What's that like?

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Speaker 1 It's surreal, and it's still as surreal as the first time.

Speaker 1 It would probably, well, I could imagine it would be,

Speaker 1 it would feel the same way it would feel

Speaker 1 when you leaving the game.

Speaker 1 time in life when somebody got like a basketball card a year.

Speaker 1 Nah. that's different, though.

Speaker 1 Because people buy basketball cards to sell them. Yeah.
I don't care about

Speaker 1 that part of basketball cards.

Speaker 1 I can't sell me rapping.

Speaker 1 Well, see,

Speaker 1 I think that shit is euphoric.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know a better way to explain it.

Speaker 1 I think that's just, you know what I'm saying? It's a special feeling. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I ain't never imagined none of this for myself.

Speaker 1 And like you said, you was listening to the street by sign. Like I was

Speaker 1 one of the who

Speaker 1 said that shit aside, wanting to rap just on some cool shit or

Speaker 1 trying to make some money, trying to get the girls, whatever it was at that time.

Speaker 1 I ain't never expect or

Speaker 1 look at it as being like embraced or well received. Like I remember the first time somebody I didn't know telling telling me I was cold.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 And that, that meant so much more, just truthfully, than like my friends and peers, people that I knew.

Speaker 1 They could just say this shit because they're cool with me.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I'm on the other side of town, and these dudes don't know me.

Speaker 1 Or I'm, you know, I'm up at TSU in a parking lot like in a cipher, just rapping a cappella, and people like, or the next day, people like, man, rap something else. I'm telling my homeboy about you.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you know, so the level up from there to, like you said, something that I wrote down, something I put together, composed, and I'm

Speaker 1 four or five hours away from home, or I'm 10 hours away from home, or we're on a tour, and it's like night for night, or just period. Even like the new music just being received.

Speaker 1 But like you said, seeing people really rocking out to it and it's like, like it's day song. Yeah, yeah.
It's like, damn. Like, because I ain't.
It's a special feeling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I always want to ask this question,

Speaker 1 especially for y'all.

Speaker 1 Where do you get more joy in making the music or actually getting able to perform it and share it with people?

Speaker 1 I think it's like even for me, it's like 50-50.

Speaker 1 I think making the music sometimes almost like therapy. And then to the last question, when it's received well and it's appreciated, like it's all another high to share it.
Or like,

Speaker 1 we might have made the music a month or two prior.

Speaker 1 or over the course of time, but like at the time I'm putting it out, I'm almost like enjoying it all over again when the other people listening to it in real time. But

Speaker 1 that feedback, that reception, like

Speaker 1 the last question that kind of skipped over of

Speaker 1 how do you balance like giving so much personally to people feel like they know you.

Speaker 1 That's the give and take of that. It was like, for me, my music is my personality.
My music is like, I'm, this is all I know how to be.

Speaker 1 You know, once I tapped into that, once I got out of like trying to work within the system, like I just went with, I don't be the best me. I'm gonna be the best version of myself.

Speaker 1 So, people taking it that is like, I mean, I don't really get no better than that. I have to put nothing on it, the good, bad, happy, sad, in between.

Speaker 1 Because the crazy part is people tend to like gravitate toward the darkest, the most extreme side. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 I make music that for me, I might have been crying on the inside making it, but somebody else, like, man, this changed my life. This got me through this, or like, he was rapping my life right there.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, damn, I was rapping my life, but the fact that it had that effect on you, like, it keeps me doing it. You know what I'm saying? Let me know, I ain't doing it for nothing.

Speaker 1 I say the same.

Speaker 1 I think the joy comes from.

Speaker 1 I don't get joy out of

Speaker 1 creating the music, but like he said,

Speaker 1 creating it is the therapy for me.

Speaker 1 Creating the songs keep me from

Speaker 1 creating the song keep me from doing other shit. I'll just say that.

Speaker 1 So I think the, you know, the creating process is more like the release.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, the, the, the joy comes from another person being able to relate to something they wasn't present for, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 You know, to meet me and say, you went through so-and-so, so-and-so. Because when I'm making the record, I ain't thinking about what you're going through.

Speaker 1 Like you said, I'm thinking about what I'm going through.

Speaker 1 And I think that's refreshing for all all people to know you ain't the only one

Speaker 1 in that certain battle, whatever that battle is.

Speaker 1 So, you know, I think for the most part, the joy come from, you know, receive from

Speaker 1 meeting people that receive the music. Yeah, even when you said like the wrestling stuff or like generational stuff, like a lot of music is a time capsule.
So we're just speaking from.

Speaker 1 Art, this is the era, this is the generation we grew up in. Like, it's music that's made today that I just don't get.
I I don't understand because I ain't,

Speaker 1 I didn't grow up like that. You know what I'm saying? Yo, Malby trying to put us on, he trying to put us on every day.
I just can't get with it.

Speaker 1 But I feel like it's still to say it's still somebody speaking for us or speaking a language that we understand. Because a lot of my favorite artists that I came up on don't do it for me anymore.

Speaker 1 Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Same here.

Speaker 1 When they making music present day, they trying to keep up with the new wave. And it's like, man, just give it to me straight the way that you always have

Speaker 1 and uh so that's that's just something like we tap into like like even even a project that

Speaker 1 well i i don't know if y'all was gonna ask about it who's gonna tell you about to

Speaker 1 don't worry about it yeah my bad but

Speaker 1 i mean it's it's like speaking a language that if it's if you know you know or that that people that relate to it can understand

Speaker 1 it's like a sweet spot man let's get straight to it man it is very hard to make projects with the same name, and they all still great. Y'all on the fourth version of this, man.

Speaker 1 New Step Brothers on the way, man. Indeed, indeed.
Indeed. By you four, baby.
Get it dated away. Yeah, we came here really to drop the date.

Speaker 1 We was gonna drop it on 520, but uh, May 9th, Step Brothers for Life. Hey, wow, we're getting the drop.
We getting the drops, Step Brothers for Life. Can I ask you this? Yeah, I'm married.

Speaker 1 I know you're married too.

Speaker 1 No, are you still? Oh, you're not. No, I'm talking about wood.

Speaker 1 I don't know you for the actual reason, though. I was going to tell you what these dudes

Speaker 1 together, bro. And you told me niggas saw with a purpose like that? No,

Speaker 1 clean it up. I'm married too.

Speaker 1 I clean it up, boy. Shout out to my wife, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shout out to my wife, too.

Speaker 1 Kind of shit.

Speaker 1 He started Step Brother 3 off of that.

Speaker 1 Then he started Stead Brothers 3 off of that. I don't even perform that part.
I was going to say.

Speaker 1 That's why I laughed. I'm going to mute my crowd.
He don't say that line no more.

Speaker 1 Okay, but for respect.

Speaker 1 Actually, censor it. So I had to say it for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll let y'all figure that out. Had to be responsible.
Shout out to Stacy.

Speaker 1 Y'all are a flood.

Speaker 1 This is my guys.

Speaker 1 For sure, man. But listen, man, y'all blessed us

Speaker 1 See,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 we ain't never

Speaker 1 not in.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you would put that.

Speaker 1 To the audience or to the people who listen to our music, you'd assume that in between Step Brothers 3 and now that

Speaker 1 we ain't a group or tandem.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you look at it. I understand why people think that.
But in real life,

Speaker 1 in between that, we ain't missed a beat. Like, he was in my wedding.

Speaker 1 We, like, we know each other. We're around each other.
We talk to each other. We have an actual relationship.
It's not just music.

Speaker 1 And even with music, like, if I'm sure somebody's going to go and do it. But if you sat and counted all the records we've done in between.
Don't worry about it. He's actually.

Speaker 1 He got the count right there.

Speaker 1 He just asked us this morning. He was like, besides stepbrothers and them, how many songs do you think they're actually on? They don't want each other's album all the time.

Speaker 1 Oh, you couldn't count. Okay, but you get what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Our relationship was never contingent on us being the group. When we met, we were two solo artists.

Speaker 1 We just worked so well with each other

Speaker 1 that we never really, it don't feel like work.

Speaker 1 So at some point,

Speaker 1 he's good with timeline. I don't know how long it's been.

Speaker 1 So at some point, you know, people keep asking about stepbrothers, folks, stepbrothers, folks.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you know, shit, we'll get to it when we get to it. And somebody told me, I think it might have been him.
Tell me how long it's been.

Speaker 1 Eight years and a half. He's been a million.
For eight years and 11,000.

Speaker 1 He's been a million.

Speaker 1 When he did that shit, I was like, oh,

Speaker 1 that makes sense then. Why people assume that it's going to stepbrothers for shit? It's been eight

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's just been life. It's just real definitely.
And that's, I mean, the irony of the album being called Stepbrothers for Life is we really, you know, really thugging it out.

Speaker 1 We're really living this. I mean, our music is transparent.
Our music is full disclosure, if you will. But like you just said, every step of the way, we've been in weddings.

Speaker 1 We've been at birthday parties.

Speaker 1 funerals for what it's worth like right like every highs and lows yeah and we've actually truthfully only grown that much closer in the time between Step Brothers 3 and now. So

Speaker 1 I don't think it's felt like eight years for us because we was going through everything, every step of the way to get here.

Speaker 1 But I also think it's like perfect timing, divine timing.

Speaker 1 The original plan we dropped three was to drop again that year. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he said it.

Speaker 1 People never let us forget it.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you know, like life happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, just I mean, we gotta right, it got all the

Speaker 1 tricky, but either way, you know, I think

Speaker 1 right now we're in the space or in a uh

Speaker 1 in an accessible enough space for us to sit down, and like I said earlier, we do all the stepbrothers' records in person together. We don't email none of that shit, yeah.

Speaker 1 We never sent a song over for right, nothing that's every stepbrother's tape was recorded in person. And

Speaker 1 how long does it take?

Speaker 1 How long does it take? Yeah, like the process of y'all had to the first one, the first one we did in three sessions, damn,

Speaker 1 the second one, I don't know. I don't, I don't know,

Speaker 1 yeah. The second one, we started around the time of that session with Kevin Gates, which was like early 2013.
And we, we finished it like early summer by the time. Um, is that that the one we did?

Speaker 1 The mixtape for two? Nah, that was three.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But it was, it wasn't three sessions. It wasn't quite as fast as the first one.
But we just would link out of town and was going to Atlanta a lot and just getting in a lot.

Speaker 1 It wasn't many sessions, though. And the last one, same thing.
We just get together. We did like an EP, a short mixtape and an album at the same time.

Speaker 1 And that was over the course of like really the majority of it in about two months. Two months time maybe five or six sessions and with this one we um

Speaker 1 we've gotten what maybe four or five sessions and

Speaker 1 got the majority of it together just i mean even our last session we did four songs and in one session just

Speaker 1 not even really thinking about it but in that time in between like we had sessions where we ain't even probably play no beats we just sat in there chopping it like this and look up and everybody tired and we just go on our way because it just might be necessary as homeboys just

Speaker 1 to talk. You know what I'm saying? And them conversations are what make the best records anyway.
Yeah, it turns into the art.

Speaker 1 But we don't really,

Speaker 1 like, you know, like I said, you know, that's my brother. So we ain't on no schedule, so to speak.
So

Speaker 1 when we do go in, of course, you know, when we booking time, we keep that in mind that we know we got it paid into whatever.

Speaker 1 But we don't really, you know, I I don't know, it don't feel like work, so I don't much keep up with it, it just happens how it happens, and we don't do the um

Speaker 1 you know, like we ain't sitting saying, man, we got to come up with a fucking single or catch it this or whatever the fuck. We ain't into none of that.
We go, and whatever happens when we in there,

Speaker 1 it happens, and that's what we go with. And so far, that's what our careers have been based off.
You know, us individually and as a tandem. It's this has worked because we've been who we really are.

Speaker 1 And, you know, it don't make no sense to try to reinvent the wheel now.

Speaker 1 I'm just trying to think, like, y'all, I never hear y'all recycle, but y'all drop so much music. Like, I ain't gonna lie, I probably

Speaker 1 would have recycled so much shit. Man, I can't remember all this shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you dropped 36 albums. Yeah, so I want to know.
I wanted to ask why'd you do that? Like, what made you just get in the studio? Like, man, I'm dropping 25 albums in two years, man.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 we let people believe that me and him made some kind of bet.

Speaker 1 But in real time. Because he dropped.

Speaker 1 I sat in the drive. He just dropped it.

Speaker 1 He was wildly dropped.

Speaker 1 I was in the studio with one of my rap friends, he passed away, long lived casino jizzle. But I was in the studio, I was working on the record.
I was working on the record.

Speaker 1 Well, I was doing a verse for him. And he was like, man, when are you going to drop something else? I was like,

Speaker 1 I just dropped it. He was like, it's been about two years.
I said, what? And, you know, we said, we do the, go through my timeline. And this was like maybe 2021, maybe.

Speaker 1 Either way, you know, I looked at my last release and I'm like, damn, you know, it has been a minute. And I had no excuse for why I hadn't released.

Speaker 1 So after that, that kind of spawned the idea of my I'm going to put a tape out. And every time I said I'm going to put a tape out, I didn't put a tape out.

Speaker 1 And I used to overthink it. You know, I sit and do fucking 40 songs and then pick 15 songs.
And then everything else just sit on the hard drive.

Speaker 1 So at some point, I don't really know what it was, but I sat and I'm looking at all these fucking songs on this hard drive. It's just there.
Nobody's ever heard any of it. And I said, man, fuck it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put this shit out. Then I thought about it again.
I said, no, fuck it. I'm just going to put everything out.
I ain't that shit still on the hard drive. I'm like, I you know, this.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna put every from that moment forward. I said, Every record I record, I'm gonna release.
They don't much make sense to hold on to it. I ain't,

Speaker 1 I don't have to answer to nobody, so it don't much make any sense. And then I'm in my own studio, so I ain't even on no clock.
So I said, fuck it. I'm gonna put out everything.
And

Speaker 1 what was the first one? The first tape is eight records. So I told myself I wouldn't ever put something out that's less than eight records.
I feel like, I mean, people do it all the time.

Speaker 1 So each is on. I felt like that wouldn't be,

Speaker 1 I felt like I'd be doing my audience a disservice to give you less than eight records. So

Speaker 1 I had no goal.

Speaker 1 You know, at the end of that month, I called the distributor. I'm like, you know, hey, I got eight records.
I want to put this tape out. So let's do it.
I did that.

Speaker 1 And I said, I'm going to, you know, do the same thing. And

Speaker 1 after about four or five of them, I said, You know, I think I can do a whole year work for this.

Speaker 1 They said, Yeah, sure. You know, they've heard it all before from everybody.
So, even the distribution company didn't know I was dead ass serious.

Speaker 1 So, when I did them 12, really on the 11th one, on the 11th one,

Speaker 1 they I don't pay attention to the numbers. So, you know, they're calling me and they telling me how successful the shit was.

Speaker 1 I said, Oh,

Speaker 1 I can do this for 12 more than that.

Speaker 1 Man.

Speaker 1 When I started on that second 12,

Speaker 1 oh, man, I was so exhausted when I got to fucking 24th tape. I said, it could, the way I,

Speaker 1 my process is different now. I used to be one of those artists that's always in the studio every day.
I record a record every day. Now,

Speaker 1 throughout the whole 24 tapes, I probably recorded,

Speaker 1 I probably was in the studio for three days out of every one of those months. Yeah,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 me, Craig can tell you. We, we, I don't remember what tape it was, but I was in New York doing a press run, and man, Hamlet was on the phone.
We were on the phone for a while.

Speaker 1 We were on the phone, and I want to say called me about a particular song that he was working on.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 throughout the conversation, you know, it really was

Speaker 1 this particular conversation. I was more an ear than a voice.

Speaker 1 I'm just listening to him so i'm hearing him out so at the end of the uh the conversation i think i was like you know i gotta call our engineer because i can't get this to work like it wasn't working like you know i'm trying to record here in the hotel and i can't get this to work right he said okay he's like you know and he's fully aware of the time frame you have to release music and it might have been like a Sunday or Monday we on the phone and he was like okay when you dropping like Friday you're like, Okay, okay,

Speaker 1 how many you got?

Speaker 1 Not a single song gonna have anything, and it's got to be turned in like Tuesday or Wednesday for the shit to really be released. And Craig was like, Man, how the fuck do you play on? You got nothing?

Speaker 1 I don't got,

Speaker 1 and you know, by Wednesday, I had at least 14 or 12 songs at least. I don't know how many went on that tape, but I had the whole tape.
I don't know, man. Just

Speaker 1 times 24. Like, he did this 24 times.
Yeah, he did like how, bro. I have no idea, man.
I really, like, I said a second ago, just let whatever happens, happens.

Speaker 1 You, if you go to each one of those, every song is probably 300-something songs. No two songs are the same.
I didn't sit and say, you know, I'm gonna do this kind of record or make this kind of song.

Speaker 1 I cycle through beats and whatever popped in my head. That's what I say.
That's what I'm trying to say. And with it being my real life, I don't have to worry about saying something I can't stand on.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 that's amazing to me. Like, how y'all can think of this shit? Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Shout out to y'all, bro.

Speaker 1 Everybody's process is different. And when he was going through that, like, at some point, he said he was going to do it for a year, maybe halfway through or through the first year.

Speaker 1 So I hadn't dropped in like three years. Just I was kind of like, fuck rap.

Speaker 1 And seeing him go through that and conversation we was having, because I was, you know, I was on about half of those projects.

Speaker 1 I kind of worked my way out of that rut or that space and I did my love drug album. And it was kind of like at that time, like, all right, I'm gonna drop in December.

Speaker 1 He had dropped 11 projects already. I thought we was about to turn the corner and do stepbrothers after that because he was gonna do the 12th.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm trying to get right. And kind of like, I got to do it.
And then when he did the 12th one, and I'm like, all right, what's good, bro? He was like, I'm about to drop this January project.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you just did 12? He's like, do it again.

Speaker 1 You know what? Look, what happened?

Speaker 1 When I did the 12,

Speaker 1 people will come. You know, some people are going to give you credit.
And a lot of people like to give backhand compliments. So one person will say, man, that's amazing.
He did 12 records in a year.

Speaker 1 And then somebody pop up and say,

Speaker 1 Hat Boos did it first. Then somebody said,

Speaker 1 a currency did it first.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, man, man i don't know if they did it or not but that ain't the point that's like saying hey man i bought a house and you said yeah but my brother bought one before you

Speaker 1 that matter right and i ain't i never respond to it because i know how quick it can get twisted and you know my response could

Speaker 1 could make currency turn around and read it and you know because naturally you'd be like

Speaker 1 him it's ain't got nothing to do with him but it's easy for that to be misconstrued and that's the last thing i want is for somebody to be able to take something I said and turn it into something.

Speaker 1 I pride myself on what I say. So when I start seeing that, I said, all right, okay.
Every time somebody mentioned fucking 12, y'all got somebody else did it.

Speaker 1 I said, all right, show me somebody that done 24.

Speaker 1 Not until you show me somebody that done 24. I don't respect your comment about somebody else did it before I did it.

Speaker 1 But I had to.

Speaker 1 I had a point to prove

Speaker 1 to Nash. Man, it killed you for a whole year.
Yeah, it was so much music. Like, me and Mike, like I told you, we be sharing the music.
He'd be like, You heard a trip out?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Damn, nigga, I just played it last week.

Speaker 1 He like, no, he dropped another one. I said, All right, I tripped.
He lost me now.

Speaker 1 I was just playing, say, Let's.

Speaker 1 I'm on half of them, and I still ain't caught up.

Speaker 1 But that's the beauty of it. That's what I'm about to say.
I think that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 1 I ain't put all the music out for, I mean, it happened. There are people who like listen to every record when it drops.

Speaker 1 And I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 But I also value the person who,

Speaker 1 you know, out of 24 tapes, they didn't make it past 13.

Speaker 1 That 13 tape, they was living in that space. And that's that tape speak to them.
It happens all the time where

Speaker 1 people reach out and tell me about old records. They just not hearing this record.
They're like, man, what you said on so-and-so, so-and-so record, man, it spoke to me.

Speaker 1 I had been playing Say Less for so long.

Speaker 1 I I was stuck on that. And then I heard this new shit, man.
I fuck with it. And I kind of look at that shit like Netflix series and shit.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, you might not be hip to the film or the show that came out four years ago. No, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Now you pronounce enough of it for you to binge if you want to binge.

Speaker 1 And if you, you know, some of us only like what we like. Like, if I got a playlist right now, it's all R ⁇ B.
And it's probably Phil, it's probably,

Speaker 1 it might be 10 records that's been put out since 2020 that's on this in this playlist. Everything else is from me growing up or you know, whatever time period it was when I heard it.

Speaker 1 So I understand when people,

Speaker 1 you know, when they live with the music so tough that they got no, no, no ear for anything else. I want to hear the newer shit.
I want to hear this. This is what I love.

Speaker 1 You know, this is what drives me. And if they never move on to another record, so be it.
I, you know, I

Speaker 1 you got enough music for them niggas to hold on to. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I knew y'all was good rappers.

Speaker 1 They all know my wife, obviously, but my wife, she don't listen to nothing, really. She listened to Spanish music and occasionally Lil Wayne.
So she was like, Oh, is your wife Spanish? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 So she like, I was like, that's different.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 nigga, don't start these. It makes sense now.
Okay. No, but she like,

Speaker 1 out of nowhere, I swear to God, I never talked to her about music because me and her argue argue about music. And she was like, the Starlito guy can rap.
He's pretty good. I'm like, fuck you.

Speaker 1 I was like, I was like,

Speaker 1 my nigga, you

Speaker 1 about to get a divorce. Who the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 I swear to God, I started laughing. And she was like, what? I was like,

Speaker 1 you don't know them. She's like, no, I like their voice.
And she was like, trip, Don Trip. I started crying, laughing.
I was like,

Speaker 1 I thought I'm going to tell them that we're about to interview. She's like, you're about to interview them?

Speaker 1 I rock to them in the morning. I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 I really need to know where the fuck she heard that shit from. We're going to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 I rock to them in the morning. I'm like, in the morning? Yeah.

Speaker 1 She was kind of wild, bro. You ain't just do that.

Speaker 1 I was like, what's going on, Jim? She was like, what, what? Selena saying, ain't no such thing as a coincidence, nigga.

Speaker 1 So they about to get you fucked up for you.

Speaker 1 Nah, that's real, though. That's real.
I mean.

Speaker 1 I fuck with that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's back to that. Like,

Speaker 1 for us as artists, I could never imagine the reach of the music or where it's going to go.

Speaker 1 I made songs where... I would have thought women would have hated me for making a song and they'd be the one that they take to, the one that they love.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, I make something that's so personal or so vulnerable that I'm like, maybe nobody else will be able to feel this because it's just uniquely my own experience.

Speaker 1 And then it's the standout record or whatever. So like, I mean, that's, that's what's up.
I love to know what it was that peaked her out. Shit, me too.

Speaker 1 I was hella confused. Definitely appreciate y'all longevity of this shit, man.
For sure, man. Definitely appreciate y'all for pulling up, too.

Speaker 1 that's

Speaker 1 definitely big for us. Yeah,

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 1 I can't wait for step brothers for the drop. May 9th, tap in.
May 9th.

Speaker 1 You got the drop on Club 520. We appreciate that.
Come on, man.

Speaker 1 You know, we supported up here, man. May 9th, tap in, Sir Brothers, for life.
We appreciate y'all, man. We're going to have to do this again, man.
Hey, man, with it, man. With it.

Speaker 1 I ain't, you know, I don't much

Speaker 1 agree to traveling to

Speaker 1 people. So, yeah, because you don't get along with nobody.

Speaker 1 But for me, my bad. But for me,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It always means something to me when people really, you know, really rock with us.

Speaker 1 I don't got no.

Speaker 1 I ain't no cosign. Nobody hits you and say,

Speaker 1 here's my artist, or here's the guy we're working with, or whatever.

Speaker 1 If you fuck with me, you fuck with me genuinely because of me. And that shit, I, I, I, I, I couldn't go without showing my appreciation back.
So we created love, bro.

Speaker 1 I was like, shit, let's do it. I'm with it.
Nah, we appreciate it. We definitely fuck with y'all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm, I mean, obviously from the shoes, you can see I'm a fan. No, for sure.

Speaker 1 The platform, the podcast.

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk more basketball with y'all. Oh, we can.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it was a couple of things. One of my partners wanted me to bring up, see if you remember playing Nashville Celtics.
He said he gave y'all 35. My homeboy, Jamie Graham.

Speaker 1 That was one thing. You might.

Speaker 1 Damn, 35? Yeah. What the hell? What a year ago.
Did we win?

Speaker 1 I think he said y'all might have won that one and they beat y'all in another tournament.

Speaker 1 35.

Speaker 1 But. Shit, I ain't going to lie.
I never played no defense.

Speaker 1 Shit, he probably had 35. Shout out to bro.
Shout out to Jamie Graham. Yeah, because I was definitely exploding on defense.

Speaker 1 He played at Vanderbilt. Oh, that's Vanderbilt.
He played basketball and football.

Speaker 1 I ain't never played on defense. He probably did.
He said, play no defense.

Speaker 1 I'm here to shoot this ball.

Speaker 1 That's what I was about to see.

Speaker 1 I wanted to ask y'all, this is just an oddball question. What's your favorite basketball movie of all time?

Speaker 1 Mine's Blue Chips.

Speaker 1 He got a game, bro. No, Ray Allen is the greatest basketball movie character ever.
The basketball movie ever.

Speaker 1 With the worst script of all time.

Speaker 1 I like blue chips. Basketball movie.
What's yours?

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Mine's hoop dreams.
I fuck with hoop dreams too, though.

Speaker 1 It was like almost like. That was a documentary, damn.
Yeah, that was real.

Speaker 1 That was real. That was too real.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my.
All right, and I ain't going to the NBA moment. Like Teams.

Speaker 1 Just period. Like, Will was out of podcast story.
Man,

Speaker 1 nobody likes Sunset Park, but I like blue chips.

Speaker 1 God damn, trip. So

Speaker 1 give me coaches.

Speaker 1 Sunset Park was cool, though. What's cool? I thought you ain't cool.

Speaker 1 A butter rim. I was about to say a butter.
I ain't played the ball, man. Butter rim, my boy.
Threw the ball.

Speaker 1 Talk about that.

Speaker 1 My boy took the ball out.

Speaker 1 But blue chips was so cold. Tommy Shepherd.

Speaker 1 I mean, obviously, we know they was good, but the way they was

Speaker 1 Tommy Shepherd and the thermal bro was putting in work, bro. Man, he shot the same shot.
23. The same clip, the same mini.
I was like, come on, man. Corduroy's in a long job.
Bro, fresh off the.

Speaker 1 Not even Space Jam.

Speaker 1 I ain't never was a Space Jam fan.

Speaker 1 I didn't like toy movies and stuff like that. Y'all disrespectful.
The first Space Jam is a classic, y'all. I ain't saying that.
I just know that.

Speaker 1 We ain't ain't talking about acting. That shit trash.

Speaker 1 That shit trash.

Speaker 1 You know, if you love basketball, you was a child. You might have liked to be a bad person.
I ain't spice jam.

Speaker 1 I grew up older brothers and sisters. So I ain't really.
Oh, okay. I watched cartoons and shit when I turned cartoons on.
Like, I couldn't sneak and watch cartoons. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he don't like them. I grew up thinking Alan Igerson was a creative player.

Speaker 1 for real. My brother was like, Excuse me? Nah, you gotta know my brother.
Like, you know, I'm younger. Terrell, he's like, yo, you're gonna play like Alan Igress.

Speaker 1 I'm like, who the fuck is that? He, like, yeah, you're gonna play just like him. I'm thinking he didn't create this in his head.
So then he showed me him. Now it's like, oh, I'm gonna play like this.

Speaker 1 He's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Then I got braids.

Speaker 1 Then I got brave. It's a fact.
Nigga damn near retarded. Yeah, that brother was freaking.
Why y'all was doing it out there, bro?

Speaker 1 Y'all know I was outside. I ain't really watched TV like that.
Unless it was wrestling. I wrestled, boy.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 I was really AI. That's what I told you, bro.

Speaker 1 I didn't, bro. My brother told me.
I always watched wrestling, bro. That's all I watched.
I could dig it. Yeah, you should watch shit out some wrestling.
That's all I watched growing up. Dang.

Speaker 1 And it probably

Speaker 1 was not a good thing. Because I was already violent.

Speaker 1 Him too. He took that wrestling shit to the NBA.

Speaker 1 I'm glad they came on the show. They about to start playing around.
Man,

Speaker 1 like I said, that's why I couldn't play, man. I would have definitely been, I would have been run on test.
Nah.

Speaker 1 I had some glimpses around our choice. Yeah, baby.
Like, man, he's been injected for the first seven games.

Speaker 1 Every game. He gets ejected.
Who was your favorite player growing up? Penny Hardy.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Coach Penny. And he a laid-back cool nigga, too, though.
So that makes sense.

Speaker 1 Who is your game? Like, if you say you play like somebody, who you say?

Speaker 1 Man, that's a good one. Mookie Blaylock.

Speaker 1 At the time, because of the

Speaker 1 time period, I graduated 0-2.

Speaker 1 At one point, it was like D-Miles.

Speaker 1 Tall and

Speaker 1 slim and shit.

Speaker 1 Was that DeWan Wagner class, too?

Speaker 1 0-2.

Speaker 1 I think so. Yeah,

Speaker 1 year before Bron.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That's J.J.
Reddick in them class. Yeah.
Okay. Mars Stead and Marmello.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Upper class. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Feld, Reimanfeld and McCance.

Speaker 1 We played them junior Olympics.

Speaker 1 Did you give them buckets? Man, they beat the hell out of me.

Speaker 1 Nah, people don't. I'm not going to lie.
Rashar McCance.

Speaker 1 Jamie Feldman was the best player I've

Speaker 1 ever played against on the court. For real?

Speaker 1 He was a dog

Speaker 1 at the time we graduated.

Speaker 1 Corey Brew is in my district in high school, but he was like a couple years behind me. He was nice.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Damn. So you played against some shit.
You just wasn't a regular rake ball player. You played against some NBA talent.
Yeah, we played like Hollow AU.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can hear in his raps when he talks about basketball. Like, the way he talks about it, I'm like, he really played basketball.
There's some people who play basketball. Like, I get 30 like Curry.

Speaker 1 It's like, nah, he been hoop for real.

Speaker 1 He said that, or was that one of your boys? That's probably

Speaker 1 Come on, DJ, man.

Speaker 1 What's the name of TV said?

Speaker 1 Hey, you know, I used to have a studio in my house.

Speaker 1 For the wrong reason.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to make the video.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 My boss getting cracked on that soundboard. Man, sad.
What's

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