Club 520 - Starlito & Don Trip on Luka Doncic & LeBron James, Step Brothers 4 drop

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All right, man, we back.

Another episode of Club 520 Podcast.

I'm the host.

My name is DJ Wells.

We got some special, special guests in the building, man.

Glad we could finally make this happen for show, man.

We got a special setup.

It's only right, man.

We got the whole gang with us.

We're going to introduce them last.

But to my far left, we got my dog, Bishop B.

Heading out the Prairie League.

How you what, nasty?

What's happening, Shaman?

Let's get to it.

It's gonna be a good one right here.

Now, listen, man, normally we ask our guests on this show, you know what I'm saying, how they feel about the mountain, the pile, the black forces with the white laces.

But Lito put up with his own, man.

You said the toe.

I like this energy.

I appreciate that shit for the show, bro.

It's love, man.

And when you see somebody walk up in them shoes, what you think of Trip?

I don't know, man.

I only wear Jordan, so I don't know.

He's like, dude, that's a unique kind of, I don't know.

It took some effort because them shits don't come with white laces.

See, he either bought some white ones, took the laces out, and ditched them, or he purposefully went and bought white laces and ditched the black laces.

But either way, that's a whole lot of effort for

some black porters, man.

No, but that's just a staple, man.

That's what I think.

I can think that's like putting that uh that big ass Rolls Russ Grill on your Chrysler 300.

He should be excessive.

So you pull it to the lights.

Look, bro, got the black and fourth swab.

It's crazy.

Did you ever picture the white laces in that joint at all?

Nah, not till I started watching y'all show.

Nah, I appreciate that.

That's big.

The truth setter for sure.

They got a pile of them.

It's a throw on the black horses.

There's plenty more around this motherfucker, too.

That's a third.

Most definitely to my far right.

My dog, young Nacho, young Tig, how you what?

I'm chilling.

And I still fuck Stacey Dash.

Boy, chill, boy.

I'm just saying, I felt it what he said.

He out of pocket, too.

What you going through?

Shit, he out of pocket, too, man.

No, man, I'm excited, man.

It should be a good show for sure.

Man, listen, special, special guest, man.

Glad we could finally make this happen, man.

Freaky Mike, it was early in this podcast.

We all had our list of people.

We went on this show.

Off the rip, he said, we got to have the step brothers.

We made it happen, man.

Lito trip.

Appreciate y'all pulling up the 520, man.

It's an honor for sure.

Pleasure.

Man, glad we could finally make this happen.

And like we said, all our homeboys, even though us, we big fans, man, but especially our homeboys, they press the line with this too.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

Shout out to Jamar.

Let's say y'all names.

Yeah, we got him out to my older brother, too.

I can dig it.

Hello, everybody.

Keys.

Keith is going to call me.

Yeah.

We was playing streetball the other day.

He's called me.

He was like, oh, no, no, no, no.

My nigga back play streetball.

You ain't tapped in.

I was like, I got you, man.

I got you.

Shout out to my dog Keese, man.

For sure, man.

Listen, we appreciate y'all sliding on this, man.

Let's get first into it, man.

What made you both start making music?

What was your inspiration?

Who are some people y'all looked up to early on that kind of molded your sound?

How did y'all wanted to get to it?

I guess I'll leave that.

Man, Chris Cross is what made me want to be a rapper.

I I don't know how much older they are than I am.

But when I first seen them, you know, it was a fucking, you know, it was a marvel to see kids rapping.

So, of course, I,

you know, I

gained the inspiration to become a rapper.

I thought I would become a rapper right then, which I'm glad I didn't because what I had to rap about.

then wasn't worth uh it wasn't worth me rapping about in the first place but that's where it started you know the i the idea or the the the passion, I think it grew from that to see that kids could do it.

And it didn't even really start working out for me to, you know, mid-20s.

But, you know, I think, I think, you know, it's life.

It happens how it happens.

You know, the, you know, things had to take place in order for me to be in the right space.

And I think not to be arrogant in a manner, but I think...

I had to grow to become an artist.

But that's where it started.

Once I seen them, it was a light bulb I couldn't dim for sure yeah it was probably the ice cube snoop dog early like west coast west coast stuff dog oh lifestyle aesthetic of it like

just you know being a little kid and seeing that just thinking it was cool and imagery from the movies and all that a little lighter probably the hot boys for sure the next thing like that was a time period when i probably started rapping before then i just thought you know rappers were cool or whatever but yeah my time i was in high school was like wanted to want some money one you know wanted to look like it and etc and uh then when I actually started rapping it was like more the lyrical rappers that kind of got my attention to Jada Kids Fab

East Coast like DJ Clue mixtapes

but it was still you know the high boys and and Wayne the squad up era was probably like biggest influence at the time that I started rapping

Yeah, when Wayne turned into

a whole different kind of rapper.

That's crazy.

You said squad up tapes.

People forget how fire those squad up tapes are.

Yeah, that was before the dedications.

Yeah, do your research for sure.

Yeah, definitely.

Man, first of all, we're going to get to the music, but dying that, man, we pulled up to the game.

I know y'all both love basketball.

What's y'all first thought process when you see Luca and LeBron on the same damn team?

Because that shit's still surreal to this point.

I know we just watched the game.

It's still crazy.

When I walked in, I was like, that's why them tickets was so damn high.

But it was, I mean, I'm like, you know, two legendary players, like, really almost a generational part.

You know, seeing them on the same team like that, it's like, damn, I still don't know how they pulled that off.

Yeah, that's what I think when I see that.

Highway robbery.

Really, you know, what's really going on.

Highway robbery.

It's also crazy

to see LeBron defer to somebody.

Like, I ain't, you know, LeBron ain't probably never been.

I ain't going to necessarily say the second best player on the team, but that's kind of the role he's playing.

And

that's different.

Damn, I never thought about that.

Because he was chilling the whole game.

The whole game.

Yeah, he was chilling, bro.

He had two points with him for a paid vacation.

Yeah,

he was killing at first.

He was going crazy.

But it was a few times he really motioned for Luke, like, come get the ball.

Like, you got it.

I seen LeBron play up here like three or four times.

It ain't never looked like that.

I wish he had done that shit when I was playing.

I didn't got the ball every time.

It wasn't on the first.

Nah.

Can y'all see see them winning the chip?

I was thinking that, too.

Like, ball players step up.

Like,

man.

The way Hayes looked and

what's doing that, Rui.

Yeah.

They hitting shots like that.

Yeah.

They got timely shots.

They got some bodies.

They got a chance.

I ain't going to lie.

They do got a chance.

Most definitely.

Obviously, we know your original basketball, man.

Your man's.

coaching head coach CSU.

How's that, man?

Girl with your partner.

Now he leading men at the university.

You know what I'm saying?

The round away.

He just called me.

For sure.

He said that y'all got a point.

Yeah, I swear he just called me.

He was like, I swear he was like, I like this collection.

That's funny as hell.

Yeah.

Collins.

Yeah, I talked to him yesterday.

Okay.

I like that.

That's homecock.

I mentioned him twice in that song because

that's one of the, you know, my partner since middle school.

And he wanted a few people like still getting paid out basketball, you know, for us to come up together and it was all our dream at one time.

Like, he's still living it, you know.

And uh, so that's a real, I mean, I went to TSU, so it was just super cool.

You know, he had the hometown school, HBCU,

uh, you know, setting some records, tennis records, and everything else.

Job security and otherwise, is just proud of him.

That's why,

like, both of y'all hooped

who both of y'all hooped?

No, no,

no, I ain't, I never really been able to get along with people.

My mama said,

even when I tried,

I tried to go and

try for a basketball team.

My mom said, hell no.

I'm like, mama, why?

She said, you don't get a, you know, you don't play well with others.

And I didn't, you know,

but I was an angry kid.

Yeah, I had a lot going on.

So, you know, basketball wasn't going to work.

I would have probably been

like the, you know, run our test.

Dre Mont Gray?

No, it'd have been all going in the stands.

He was a real crash out.

Yeah, yeah.

It wasn't.

So you need

forces.

He didn't destroy like the mid-tops.

See, if it be shit, like, I don't know how, you know, I don't know how accurate or how often it happens, but like when I see like basketball films and I see the like the uh, I don't know what the fuck y'all call it, the shit that you know, the rookie treatment shit.

Oh, yeah, yeah, hold another nigga bag and shit, man.

There be so many niggas on team with black eyes.

We got me when we get to the game, we got you know, you gotta catch the bus and all that shit.

Yeah, when we get there, I'm gonna be the only nigga to suit up.

They're like give me that bag, and I threw them to the side.

But, you know, when I realized I couldn't do, no, I couldn't

be a team player in that aspect.

I said, Yeah, you know, sports ain't gonna be for me.

I can't, you know, it don't work for me.

I'm ready to fight when, you know,

I don't know how to do the,

I don't know how to take orders and I don't respect seniority when it's, you know, I don't know.

That shit didn't, it just don't work.

My nigga, I just talked about that on the show earlier today.

Like, that respecting your elder shit is overrated.

No, I ain't, you know, you're going to have to, if you don't give it, you ain't getting it back.

Exactly.

And, you know, and when I was little,

when I was a kid, kid, I don't know what kind of, like I said, I had a lot going on.

It didn't really matter if he was bigger than me.

I might lose the fight, but I'm going to give you a fight.

No, for sure.

So, you know, basketball wasn't going to work out.

It wasn't going to happen.

He was like, you know, he won't stop fighting the team.

So, you know, yeah.

You said, fuck the OTM, fight my team.

We ain't got to the game.

It's going to be some fights at practice, the locker room, all this.

It's a lot of shit.

I just, you know, I never really been able to tolerate.

So I ain't really got, you know, even now, I don't got many friends.

The friends I got, I've known since I was fucking 10 or 11.

Yeah.

Shit, I know I'm created for like, I think like 15 years now.

But, you know, I don't know.

I just don't work well or play well with others.

So

that wasn't going to work out.

No kind of way.

Gotcha.

I played high school.

Hey, you and

I weren't trying to go to small schools that was looking at me.

I stayed at home.

Oh, damn.

Oh, see, he thought he was all-star.

Nah, it was like going to like the bottom of the house.

He said, I ain't doing this.

So, what you had, like some D2s or something looking at you?

It was like D2s, D3s.

I had a couple of looks, but I remember, I think, Tennessee Tech, one of their coaches kind of holler at me.

I was hype.

That'd be solid.

I'm trying to tell you.

I go in the coach's office, they looking at film and shit.

I'm hype.

And the first thing the coach asked me, he was like,

You know, DeMarco Pope.

Shout out to Marco.

He was Mr.

Basketball.

Yeah.

We're partners from around my way.

I was like, Yeah, like, why?

Like,

basically, it was like, shit, we recruit you if you can help us get him.

See, and I would have said, fuck you.

So that was the one that did, but

yeah.

That and uh, TSU coach at the time was uh Nolan Richardson,

third, maybe,

Arkansas coach, his son.

He was at a tournament and his son, the fourth, played in high school at the same time.

And I dunked on his son.

You know, we knew each other.

It was cool and shit, but it was over with.

You know, that's why I wanted to play.

Out the gate.

Yeah, so.

Oh, you fucked up your chances.

You don't know what's going on.

Yeah,

yeah.

That was like our rival.

And hey, you like around locally or whatever.

So after that, I skipped the grade and shit.

I graduated young and it was.

That's why I think we all can relate to y'all music because y'all talk about stuff that

seemed like around our area.

Like y'all talk about wrestling and shit.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm like, damn.

When I first started listening to that, I'm like, damn, they rap about everything I grew up watching and doing.

I'm 36.

Oh, yeah.

We ain't that far.

We ain't that far apart.

Yeah, we right by y'all.

I turned 40 this year.

Yeah, but when y'all said all that shit, like when y'all was talking about like Randy Savage, give me Undertaker cask cask and all that shit, I was like, yeah, I'm tapped in.

Because that's when I first started listening.

Because my brother and them was like, you tripping.

Because Lito, you rap like you talking.

So I'm like, he ain't rap, he talking.

They like, that's the whole beauty.

He chilling.

You like these hype-ass niggas.

And I'm like, this shit kind of hard.

So I started listening and they put me on.

Shout out to my brother Terrell, man.

Oh, yeah.

You know, shout out to Big Bro.

Man, obviously, y'all had careers before I got to each other.

What was the first time y'all linked up?

Y'all first, like, all right, I kind of fuck with him, type shit.

Um,

listen, my timelines are hard, probably 2010.

Okay, okay, yeah, it's 2010.

I don't know no dates and stuff.

We like formally met through yo Gotti, actually.

Um, shout out to Gotty, you know, I was in business with him, and he was like looking to work with Trip when he was coming up, and um,

kind of, you know, I'm saying placed us around each other, but we started working kind of on our own within that.

I mean, Craig can kind of tell you how to do that.

Yeah, we just, I was on the road with Guy, and he had a stop in Nashville.

And I don't know what the hell Gotta had to do.

I don't really like,

I don't like tagging along when shit don't got nothing to do with me.

No, no, no, I'm just saying, well, you know.

He was on a side quest?

Not quite.

You know, and

God had shit going on.

He had business to tend to.

I didn't want to be the nigga sitting watching him do what he got to do.

I want to be along for the part of this that involves me, but certain shit didn't involve me.

So, like, you know, God is going to go do a verse for so-and-so.

I might be in the fucking studio five hours.

I'm just going to be a nigga sitting in the studio.

I don't smoke, I don't drink.

So I'm going to be a nigga sitting in the studio like this.

So when you know,

whatever he was going to do, you know, it was in that kind of, you know, he wasn't doing nothing that I needed to learn from or watch.

So

while they was doing that,

I think Stardom had lined up a verse for another one of God His Artists.

So I was like, all right, you know, I'll ride with y'all then.

So I had no idea we was going to Lido's studio.

So when we got to Lido's studio, he set him up to do the feature fast forward.

He said,

I don't know how he did it, but that was our first time meeting each other.

And at at some point,

his people came down and told me, you know, the guy wanted to buy a verse for me.

I'm like, man, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't know anybody in here.

I just met him.

So when I, you know, later on that night, I found out that Starr pretty much was the person that convinced dude to get, I don't remember who the hell it was that got the verse, but we was on the road.

And what I was doing for,

you know, my.

my

profession at the moment.

Well, at that moment, I couldn't do that traveling.

So, you know, my pockets was a little light.

He couldn't have knew, you know,

that

me getting some bread right then was, you know, that shit was like oxygen.

So him lining that up, that kind of

on it, that kind of changed my perspective of who he was.

You know, again, it was my first time meeting him that day.

And all the way up until then, me being only familiar with his music, but being familiar with rappers, I, I had the

preconceived, preconceived notion that he'd be more like rappers.

When you meet, well, you know, I can't speak for everybody, but when you meet rappers, some rappers don't turn the rapper shit off.

Like, you know, you can tell that, you know, you're acting.

I don't, you know, I don't need the camera version of you.

I need the real version of you.

And for me, so many, and it still happens even to this day, but that's how I, that's how I assume Star would be.

So when I met him, you know, I met him.

I was, you know, so, you know, I, and I went back downstairs.

So later on, after, you know, finding out he lined that verse up for me, and we sit, we rap for a second, not, we sit and we talk for a second.

And, you know,

I think that was the

thing that made me have to be a little more open-minded.

Cause I'm like, you know, I assumed he was this kind of guy and he's the total opposite.

See, he just made me some bread.

He ain't made nothing off it.

He had no, no, he, there was nothing invested in it for him.

He had to have just, you know, fucked with me for, you know, he had to have done that just because he fucked with me as an artist because he don't know me as a person.

Yeah.

So from that, you know, I think, you know, they gave me the,

I don't know, like I said, I don't work well with others.

So that was, I guess that was like the olive branch, so to speak.

And he couldn't have known that, but that was the, you know, the gesture that made me say, all right, you know,

you're a cool dude.

You know, I could, you know, get to know him and see, see where this goes.

For sure.

For sure.

All right, man, before we go any further behind, it's time to get some drinks up in here.

Oh, yeah, Barbie.

Oh, man, I didn't know what my guy was doing.

But that's freaking out.

You gotta figure out what that means sometimes.

Be a couple things.

Barbie, what's happening?

What's going on?

What you got for us today?

Oh, we got some blackberry and blueberry meat.

Okay,

what's in the blackberry and blueberry?

Oh, okay.

What's up?

Who what?

I get you a garlic.

No, no, no.

I appreciate it.

I ain't know what the fuck you was saying.

Give me a mock tail.

all right, Barbie.

I got that, but it was record time, but Barbie never been out of here.

I'm never gonna get out this show.

I'm about to say, she was she was on camera.

Flip the motherfucker, here we go.

We got all the drinks you need.

She gotta get out of here.

Usually she stayed a while.

You was looking for a little chair.

All right.

Chop it up.

This how it goes.

Bullshit.

Moving on.

He had your notes gates on.

Shout out to the street.

So what was that moment y'all knew y'all was going to collab and work together?

Yeah, I was going to get to that.

It was

not right away necessarily that first session, but even prior to then, like, from the first things I heard, like, like you said, I rock with it.

I saw promise in it.

I felt like he was, without knowing him, I felt like he was going somewhere with it.

And when we started working, it was like right away, like,

one,

it was effortless for him.

And

I just, I took to like the, just the new, like, fresh energy of it.

Because when we met, I probably was like five, six years in the game.

I had, I think, signed a deal like five years before then.

So I was damn near at a point I almost like turning the corner of finding like a second win almost and uh trying to figure this shit out outside of having a deal and finna go on my own.

And he was getting a deal.

So it was like part of it for me was like paying it forward.

It wasn't like big homie kind of time because we really was about the same age.

But more so, I'm like, man,

if I can help bro skip some steps or not make the same mistakes I made or any of that, that's why I kind of felt like.

was almost like a role I was due to play.

But as far as making music, it was just effortless.

You know what I'm saying?

The first couple songs we did, it was like,

one, he just like killing the shit right away.

But

it was also like the first time I kind of met my match or met my equal as far as on just the like talent skill level.

I'm like, man, this nigga can rap like bar for bar, word for word kind of thing.

So

and it wasn't, it wasn't like a competitive, like,

you know what I'm saying, looking over your shoulder.

It was more like complimentary.

I was going to ask you, because, like I said, all my friends listen to it.

So, we used to battle.

We used to rap y'all shit and be batting, like, nah, he beat him here.

He beat him here.

Did y'all feel like that?

I know y'all just said it wasn't competitive, but did y'all feel like that?

Like, I played my little brother one-on-one all the time.

We competitive.

We family, though.

At the end of the day, we want each other to get better.

Yeah.

Like, was it like that for y'all?

Nah, I don't think so.

No, like, that's, and I think that's probably why we still rocking 15 years later.

Cause

rap groups don't last.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

You can kind of run down the list.

I think what happens is

we might have like favorite verses.

Like, you know, I would say for every song, I probably got a favorite verse, but

all those favorite verses ain't mine if they make any sense.

You know, it could be a particular record, and I really fuck with his verse.

And I, like you said, I, you know, I should,

it's,

I don't know, I, because it's not a competition in any shape, form, or fashion.

Like,

if you ever sat in a session, or any person that's ever sat in a session, like

we even on that kind of time, like when we start working, we working in unison, and we might speak to each other about where we're going, depending on what kind of record it is.

But for the most part, our verses are wrote at the same time.

Damn.

So when he goes into the booth to do his, I'm going to do mine or vice versa, whoever's first or whatever order.

Most of the time,

our verses are wrote pretty much at the same time.

Or I might be, well, one of us might be closing the verse and the other one just finished and he go in and record it.

And we like to,

at least when it happens, I believe in just letting shit flow naturally.

So if I'm writing my verse and he say something in his verse while he recording,

nine times out of ten,

I'm probably at the end of the verse.

But either way, if he said something that inspired me to say something, or if I like the line, he said, you know, we'll repeat the line.

You know where it came from.

Or sometimes you don't, but we don't much care because what we're doing, you know, we both fully aware of what we're trying to build.

I want you to like the song.

I don't want you to like a verse from the song.

Yeah.

So, you know, when we're doing the shit, we ain't really.

I think it's competitive in a sense, but not so much.

We don't sit and say, oh, man, I got to get.

Well, sometimes, but that happens.

that but that happens on feature sometimes people get a verse from both of us it's seldom but they get a verse from both of us and

it's only a select few people we'll allow to get both of us on the song because we feel like you know that's far that's lending our brand but when it happens

most times i don't know the star is on the song

So when it happened, you know, I'm going to just

do what I do.

And then Craig, it's happened a few times.

Craig, kind of like, they ain't telling me you was

put a verse on it too.

Like, I didn't know you was on it.

48 bars on the song.

Yeah, y'all get it on it.

I'm not getting on there, bro.

Yeah, sometimes it'll just take over.

But other than that, when we know when we're creating,

especially like stepbrothers music, whenever we create music that's...

stepbrothers we do it in person so you know i'm fully aware that you know that he on the the record no

you know we don't really it's like it's like still sharp and steel

more than yeah you know we like you said y'all play one-on-one is like sparring in that sense but when we working it ain't the end game is for you to feel the finished product so it's like

i mean for sure there's been times i'm like damn he killed me on there but i that's like a good thing that means the sound was better and and i'm supremely confident that when i go in and work with him i know what he's gonna do so i can't

step or you know i know i'm gonna get smashed on the song so it's more so that than like you know you you should want somebody to make you better that's a true that most definitely sure i wanted to ask you this question um because you said you know when y'all first inception of meeting each other you was just like i seen somebody at position i could help like like he's solid if i can help him skip a couple steps Because I first heard you, you know what I'm saying?

Great goose.

That's the first time I heard you early back, Chevy days.

I was like, okay, he cold.

So then you you said, time progressing, you're like, all right, I learned.

I'm gonna help you out.

Being with the major, being with other artists, and then having your own spot.

Like, do you see somebody going to say that situation?

Both of y'all obviously get a lot of respect for being great, independent artists in your own right.

I always like to be like, okay, I know what I've learned, but I'm not going to hinder what he's going through because I want him to still have his journey.

But I'm going to still give you the game so you don't make the mistakes.

Because you know, this music industry could be really, really crazy.

Oh, yeah.

And you, the reason why I started drinking that nasty ass shit.

I'm on that gray goose.

I know you know.

that was that

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Man, it's really like,

I don't know, I think you got to be kind of like a messed up person to be willing to watch somebody like,

like I said, make the same mistakes, go through the same, like, same things you went through.

So, um,

to me, at his breakthrough point, he had it more together than I did.

I was 19 years old making club crunk music and just trying to, you know, when I get with cash money, that's like a dream come true.

Like I said, I was inspired by the Hot Boys five years before that.

I ain't started rapping maybe four years before that time.

So I'm like, it's whatever.

I'm just trying to get in where I fit in.

Versus like,

he got in the game really more so off of like emotion-driven, like personal passion record, like, and just like no frills.

It was like, it wasn't about a...

a single it wasn't about you know what i'm saying it was it was him just kind of being himself i'm like damn like

it was more so like i on a fan level even like man don't change that don't let the game change steer you away from that that's what works that's where it got you here kind of thing and um

i think it's just like i said paying it forward man i believe in karma and all this so i would want to

go the rules like i would want to do what I would have wanted somebody to, you know, the game that I wish somebody would have gave me.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, it was never like the irony, we have made so much progress in history together, but it was never about trying to make something or get in on a situation.

It was like I met him at a point where he had options.

Like, she could have signed with them, them, or them.

It was a little bit of everybody trying to rock with him.

I was even in a position where people was like, man, you should get in.

I'm like, nah, I think what he, you know, his trajectory is bigger than the help I could directly offer.

But

I'd just rather be like in on it.

It's a lot of artists where like I met him early on.

I was

and whatever small part I might have played in their story, I'm like, I just counted it as like that's that's what's up.

I mean, it's a part of my legacy, too.

I was there.

I reach out to everybody, too.

I don't, I don't have to know you.

I think, uh, you know, many people don't respond.

I just use, that's really what I use social media for.

So

I've been feeling like if

I know you, you,

you know, about to make a mistake and I don't do nothing to prevent it, then I feel like I'm at fault.

I feel like it's my fault you made that mistake.

I don't know how much sense that that really makes, but

I don't know.

It almost seemed like a duty.

Like, I have to say it.

I got to DM you and say, hey, man, you know, you got this and this moving.

You should maybe

do X, Y, and Z.

or not do X, Y, and Z.

And, you know, I try not to give people advice because, you know, my ship, my path wasn't perfect either.

So I can't tell you what wouldn't work or what won't work.

For sure.

But I can tell you what I did and how it went wrong.

And, you know, you take from that what you will.

And, you know, if you can make it make sense for you, then that's great.

You know, we can't all dunk.

So, you know.

Nah, for sure.

Leo, I wanted to ask you, like, what's the benefits of signing to a major, though?

Spending somebody else's money, number one.

Yeah.

But owing it back.

I mean, but

that's it.

I mean, if you ain't got it, like, shit.

Yeah.

But,

I mean, there's a lot of benefits to it.

Truthfully, like

they move the needle on stuff.

Okay.

It's a lot of relationships.

These companies and partnerships with each other.

Like, it was like backdoor type of situation.

So.

It's better to be on that side of the things is moving, I guess, tricks of the trade.

But like Trip said, like, you know, whatever you take on the front end, you're going to compromise something on the back end.

Yeah,

for sure.

Shout out to the shout out to the game, man.

I mean, the thing now is just to be independent in the rap game, and a lot of people go into it with no education behind it.

And shit on labels all the time.

Yeah, not even the least bit.

But see,

I think it's pros and cons to both sides.

And music just happens to be, at least, rap music.

I can't say music as a whole because I don't have experience in other genres of it.

But rap music don't got no prerequisites.

Like, you know, you want to play ball, you know, you got to start

before elementary school.

You got to do the AAU shits.

And, you know, you got to do all them camps and shit.

But

it's things in place to teach you how to become,

you know, how to play team ball.

or how to adapt to it.

Even, you know, as you progress to different levels of it, you know, when you get to high school,

you play a little different than you played in the elementary or middle school.

Then, same for college, same for if you go into like summer league, same for when you go to the actual league.

It's a learning process, but it's things and people in place to teach you how to move along with that.

And the rap business, man,

it's more filled with people that that gatekeep, if anything.

There's no way to learn this before you jump in.

This shit, like, you almost got to make the mistakes to figure it out.

And a lot of the people, like, you know, we feel the opposite about it.

There's a lot of people that feel like, nobody helped me, so I ain't helping you.

And, but that's the tricky thing about the music business.

So, right now, the you know, the fact the trend is to be independent because the word independent sound, you know, it may you sound self-sufficient, you sound like a self-made artist or self-made boss.

But in real life, you really want to do whatever benefits you.

So I wouldn't say don't be independent.

I wouldn't say go be independent.

You got to go with what works.

So if you step in and you spent however much you spent and you can't sustain doing this shit.

Because in real life, you got real life to deal with.

You know, that's why they say it's a young game.

I don't agree, but I understand why.

But they say it's a young man's game.

It's a young man's game because you got the time to be able to to

to go through the shit you got to go through at 19 signing to a label and then owing them fucking 500 000

having to deal with that at 19 is a whole lot smoother than dealing with that at 36.

you got four or five kids when you you know you got more responsibilities you don't got the room to have to deal you know well you don't have the room to to be able to to work through that or learn from that

but in the music business, people think, you know, if they like right now, they think signing to a major is the worst thing in the world.

In real time, it's not.

I think you just got to know what you're getting yourself into.

And, you know, it's more about your plan.

Right.

You know, and if you don't got a plan, you know.

You can be sign without a plan and get lost on the sauce.

Exactly.

You know, you can be independent.

You can't be a sign without a plan.

You just saying you're independent kind of thing.

I think

signing up or whatever is just kind of like being able to work your plan.

Because even that's the thing.

Like

the time that I was signed, it was like going to school.

I use it.

I ended up using it as an education board.

Yeah, okay.

Like, because it was a lot that I saw things working for other people.

I wasn't in the same position they was in and I had a leverage or otherwise, but I saw like, man, they working.

Yeah.

Outside of just the...

the machine and all like that i'm like man these dudes never stop working and so i'm like all right i'm gonna apply that.

I might not be able to scale it the same way, but I'm gonna take what I got and just double down on what works for me.

Okay,

yeah, and that's what's super dope about y'all is that obviously y'all put your head down and the music sells itself and y'all both have cold followings.

We talk about the independency like opportunities and stuff now.

You think it's a little bit easier for artists to jump into the game now because of social media and stuff like that?

Because you got people like Jell-O who come in.

We now know him as a rapper.

Yeah, Jell-O could have smacked.

Now he's gone.

Leave it on, all, man.

Swerve hit that code.

Oh,

man.

Look, I've been saying, man, name wrong forever.

Then I thought it was like Jello or something.

He said Jello.

I'm thinking.

Jello.

I'm like, Sorry, his name is Jello.

Oh, well, I don't know if he wants to copy.

I was like, damn.

I was baffled.

I'm like, it's a rapper name.

Jello.

Access is plentiful, man.

Like,

you blow up faster.

You, you know what I mean?

You can reach, you can go further faster because of all the resources.

The internet make the world very small.

True.

And so people can get hip to the same thing.

Like, even for y'all to say I was on Grey Goose, like, what it took to get their record high was a lot of footwork, was a lot of

pressing vinyl records.

delivering them, putting them in a mailbox, sending them to DJs.

Like, going to Louisville for Kentucky Derby's, like, this probably the trickle down of it reaching Indianapolis.

Yeah,

going to all the HBCU football classic weekends.

Like, we're jumping out in traffic with like guerrilla marketing.

Versus now, it's like a streamer plays your song

and it goes everywhere the next day.

Like, I mean, that's that's beautiful for, you know,

I guess for people that can advantage themselves off of it.

But it's also like, you know, it's like microwave stuff.

Like, the football tights is good.

Yeah.

And not only that, but like I said, ain't no, ain't no no courses for this

so you know you take a uh you know a 19 year old that didn't have any aspirations of being a musician or being in the business and no they had they did a song and it popped and now they in the mix imagine how easy it is to manipulate well no for the industry to manipulate that person because he learned nothing from you know you don't know how this works yeah all of it is is new and this move fast as when you important important

and you know and that's the tricky thing about it a lot of times when you know a lot

i'm sure we've all experienced you you know especially you the the whoever recruited you disappeared later you know they they they did all of the fantastic to get you where you was going yeah and then once you got there you you wasn't prom queen no more they niggas they moved on to the next one to you know to do the same process and a lot of times what happens when you're not

you're not familiar with the process,

you'll think you're on top of the world and you never start

adjusting or you never start.

Like you say, you got to learn from what's going on.

So if you're on top of the world, you never start learning.

What happens when, because there's no way to be there forever.

So what happens when that shit slow down?

What's your next step now?

And in a lot of cases, that's what create, you know, we see it all the time.

It happens almost every day.

You'll see a person that was some kind of social media sensation and now they got all kinds of weird legal troubles and shit.

But it's because they was at the, you know, they was on top of the world at one point and they never fully adjusted to, you know, to be able to manage not being on top of the world.

It's almost like

an instant high.

And now you're chasing that high.

And in some cases, you'll never get it again.

But that's because, you know, shit's a whole lot, it's a whole lot easier to get it popping, but that don't necessarily make it easier.

It ain't no such thing as a street team no more.

Nah, no, no, no, you got

a media team.

Those are called gang members.

I had a question.

So we was listening to music earlier.

And yeah, five times one of my favorite songs.

But when y'all heard Seeing Green by like Nikki, Wayne, Drake, and them, what's that?

It's just a song, bro.

But

well, you know what I'm talking about.

I know exactly what you're saying.

Does that make you look like?

I ain't looking.

Man, it's a song user sign sample.

Yeah, you say something.

I ain't know the name of it.

I never heard it actually.

What you was asking about?

Like, do y'all be like, damn, like, I mean, I know it's a sample, but it's like, Cause we knew when I first heard it, I'm like, damn.

Boy, I heard this before.

Man,

I want to shout out Shannon Sanders.

It's a producer, songwriter from Nashville that actually, I think, produced the Heather Headley song that was sampled.

Somebody I know for like 20 plus years.

I thought it was cool that they were sampling his work, you know, the same way we did.

It's one of them situations, man, because it's happened to me like a lot of times in my life.

Like, where

things get recycled, re-rocked, repurposed, and

very rarely, like, I ain't looking for acknowledgement there because that's her song.

It's their song.

Yeah, right.

Shout out to me.

It's very similar.

It's a very similar beat.

And I mean, that's hip-hop.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, people are making the same song down there word for word, note for note, you know, over and over.

But

when I heard it, I was just like, I thought it was interesting because that's one of our biggest songs.

Man, what?

That's that shit.

I was like, I'm like, nah, I never heard your song.

Yeah, he ain't hearing her.

But

nah,

I'm thinking on.

I don't know.

I don't really believe in coincidence.

So

a lot of times.

No, I didn't either.

It's too close, bro.

It is.

It's crazy.

But I remember the producer dude met doing...

Of course, not the one that made ours,

but the dude that went viral making it in his car.

Yeah, people was tagging us.

Twitter.

Right.

So,

you know, I guess I was already conditioned for it.

I understand

the,

I guess, the process now for how they make beats.

Yeah.

It ain't

not to say, I don't know.

He knows who made it.

Street Simphony made it, didn't he?

Breeding Money.

Okay.

My bad greeted it.

You know, shit happens.

Either way, like, the sampling process ain't the same no more.

It used to be, you know, they take the vinyl and you had to, like,

you had, you had to put some work in it to

create the sample you was creating to make the beat.

Oh, yeah.

And now, now it's a whole lot different.

Like, it's websites, they already got the samples already cut up.

So, that's just an instant.

Right, you take it in style and drums.

Yeah.

So,

I never heard

Nicki Minaj's song on the beat, but I know I was aware that they used the same beat.

I'm just not, um,

it just wasn't none that I was interested in.

So it didn't.

So they don't really even bother you.

I mean, it just when it happens over and over and over again.

Yeah,

he's a, you know, he got

prior experience in such.

But they are different too, though.

Cause I can't charge it.

I don't know where it comes from.

Right.

That's what I'm talking about.

But I'm saying it's happened to you more

than that.

It just happened like that.

I don't necessarily, I've had scenarios where where I got to the source of it and figured out

where the inspiration came from.

Those songs

were the same topic,

the same like,

you know, same terminology, same slang.

And it might have been East Nashville slang.

Like, don't nobody even say that.

No, like, y'all say, How do you what?

Like,

if somebody, if a New York artist came out making a song saying that, I think everybody from around here would be like, damn, where they, where are we adapting from?

And especially in real time, you know what I'm saying?

I'll put put out a song six months later.

It's a big artist with

the same song.

But every step of the way, especially just growing up and just maturing, I take it like it's complimentary or flattered.

I'm flattered by it in its own way.

I do.

Like, I guess that's why I think so much when people do give me props or salute me, because you don't have to.

It's just as easy to act like you don't know who a nigga is.

So for a a lot of people that do like give it up, I'm like, that's cool because I know what the opposite feel like too.

Yeah, true that that was too close for me.

I was fucked to say that.

I ain't saying that.

For me, for sure.

I was just like, it's too close.

That shit like that.

I really played that.

You really must be looking to see how he reacts to it.

Real shit.

Because listen.

Clearly.

On that first tape.

Yeah.

Okay.

They did.

What's

Goham?

Yeah, they did.

They did.

I go ham.

I mean,

that's what it was called, Rock Go Ham.

My song called

Rose.

That was just go ham, bro.

Man, listen.

Yeah, it was.

You gotta first.

This is when I, when you know, we this is us first working together.

Yeah, so to see him react to or respond to that, man, that shit was the funniest shit.

Like, Star was on some, them niggas got cameras in my house, dude.

They bit it.

It's my shit.

I'm like, okay, maybe i i don't really know

the first step brothers yeah that's what i'm saying that's why it was funny and me just being um me being the permanent devil's advocate i'm like

it is

matter of fact you can google it man right

yeah

it happened

that's crazy that's crazy for sure man we gotta talk about nap town man y'all are frequent here y'all got hella love in the city they always show love to y'all man what's it like pulling up to Nat, man?

For the people who don't know, man,

man,

it feels like home to me.

Yeah, I was about to say it's welcome, man.

Because I've only ever been here in the same space and environment that's like where I come from.

Okay.

You know,

we were talking about where we performed, and it's been the Sweet 38, which was limelight and was like cloud now.

Cloud, nah.

Been there for every phase of the same thing.

Every name.

The re-rocks, like the re-rock for sure.

Give me your features, though.

Like, shout out to Lil He, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah,

you know, it's love in the city where you can pull up the fusion comfortably.

Yeah, that's love.

That's why I told you.

I said, damn, well, y'all made it right, boy, y'all are good in my city.

That's a wild spot.

They had to shut that motherfucker down permanently.

I ain't gonna lie, it's like

it's y'all and Boosie.

Yeah,

y'all like stamped in the city.

So, yeah, that's a good space to be in.

Yeah, bro.

Yeah, if you ever try to learn rap music from Indianappas, it would not be your typical people here.

It's Boosie, Gotty, y'all.

Like, it's a like

plasma here.

We talk to people out of town that we know about like

big artists.

You know, Future, we rock with Future, of course, Jay-Z, Hove, and people don't understand when we tell them, like, when they come to my city, it's cool.

Yeah, but we more so, like, people who was close to us, like, more relatable.

Like, so y'all stand out way more than them, like in our city, for sure.

That's it.

It's quite good.

Nah, for real, though, bro.

Jay-Z come here, it'd be like, cool, you know, for our age.

Niggas like, Leto pulling up.

I just told you, bro.

My boy B just said, man, ask the nigga when he's sliding back down to the city, man.

That's a fact.

They anticipating y'all pull up for sure.

Yeah, it's always.

I mean, even we, then they have like music out, like new music, current music, it all.

It's always a packed house.

We done sought out them spots like wild a wild quite a few times.

Had Mike Elves pop up on stage and snatched the mic from us.

I don't know where he came from.

You know, just, I mean, wait, me and show?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Y'all niggas gotta smell like hot dog water.

People in the club, they smell like hot dogs.

For sure.

That's what that show.

We didn't know where he came from.

I thought it was just another nigga standing behind us.

On, you know,

the whole hood is standing behind us on the stage.

So, you know, I don't know who was who.

So when he popped up and grabbed the mic, you know, our first reaction is, who the fuck?

You're like, this is fucking Mike Epps.

What the fuck?

And we had a slight, we had a slightest idea, you know, what was really going on, but it was cool.

You know, and he just was showing love because he handed it right back.

He said shit about that.

That was ridiculous.

That's Ella Brand.

It's always been, you know, i i don't remember the first time i came up here like a long time but it's it's always been a sign like even

went to the game earlier like we walk into the game probably take four or five pictures and routes when we took hella pictures and inside of the game but it's just like

you know even going i mean i've been coming up here to paces games and whatnot but it's like when people can see you like you said as far as being stamped like it's it's some cities that we only

only saw one side of it.

You know what I'm saying?

And that's the hood side, the urban side.

And I think people appreciate you for it.

Because I do understand a lot of artists don't see that side of them.

No, thanks.

And no, not to them, by the time they was coming to a market like this, they might have

almost outgrew the hood or they were going to be hard ticket venues or was on somebody's tour or otherwise.

And it's like,

I'm going wherever they got the bread.

Right.

Pulling up too.

Nah, for sure.

Most definitely, man.

Y'all pulled up to the city one time and performed with the young nacho jerseys.

Yeah, that was legendary for sure.

I got the picture.

Find that at.

Nigga, I was starting that.

I was swinging.

I didn't know what year this was.

I ain't no.

This one that was here.

I'm like,

I'm swinging, man.

I'm swinging, man.

See how your niggas do you, man.

He do me like this every day, man.

It's cool.

I'm turning up in the morning

in a video too, in a bone shocker, like a video.

Yeah, okay.

I appreciate you.

Man,

real fans of y'all music, man.

So that's hard that y'all do that for sure.

I said that mama's revenge to my mama.

She's like,

Nigga, what is this?

I was like, listen to it.

She's like, is this gospel?

I said, yeah, for me.

He broke my mama.

I said, yeah, for me.

for me oh man i wanted to ask bro how did y'all cross paths with kevin gates

um

our story is different well you know who want to tell that first

man uh

i say

that was like 2013.

it was before we actually met this is this is just a straight like i said

I don't believe in coincidence, so it happened like this.

I'm pulling to the crib, and

when I hit my garage,

I take it.

This is just days of this probably 2012, maybe.

I take the CD out, whatever I was listening to, and so the radio pops on.

And it's satellite radio at the time.

Literally, when I take the CD out, I hear K-Slay at the time, rest in peace.

He like, I hear him asking the artist he's interviewing.

He's like, Man, so what you listening to right now?

Like, what you got in your, like, if you have a fire disc changer, what you listening to?

And the artist on there is like, man, I i don't listen to none but starlito i'm like i'm in the car by myself so i'm like the like you know i was just i'm about to cut the car off and i sat there and i was like now i'm curious like who is this just shouting me out on satellite radio so they play some music when they come back i figure out it's like kevin geyser i hadn't heard of him at the time yeah and i was like damn that was real he was like man that's the only artist i listen to And so I went and checked his music out from there and

I was rocking with it.

A few months later,

he had, I guess, signed with Atlantic.

And one of his A ⁇ Rs that reached out to me through email was like, man, we got this new artist we signed.

And he wanted to get you on his album or whatnot.

And

I was like, yeah, I'll rock with his music.

We can swap something out.

I do the verse, get him to do a chorus for me kind of thing.

Just swap it.

They sent the song, knocked it out.

And I was on the way to Atlanta to meet Trip.

We was working on Stepbrothers 2 at the time.

And I was like, man, I'm about to send a song.

When I get to Atlanta, I'm going to go through some beats and send you the song for bro to get on.

And they was like, oh, Kevin living in Atlanta right now.

I'm going to send you his, send y'all each other's number.

This is the whoever from Atlantic Records at the time.

I think

Brian Johnston, if I can recall.

And

so I'm like, cool.

You know, I reach out.

Bro, like, he liked, he rocked with the verse or whatever.

We went to the studio that night and

he ended up pulling up at the studio.

and that was your first time meeting them too yeah yeah that was that was actually the first day oh no wow and uh so yeah

he pulled up to me and trip's studio session and

uh

like he said well like he said our i guess perspectives of that day was different but

we we did leash on life yeah from uh step brothers too

and we did about a bitch called turkey that had all three of us on together yeah trip ended up leaving and um me and Gay stayed there and did about four or five more songs and just kind of chopped it up.

And from there, you know, just like forged a bond.

And

moving forward, like,

me and Trip ended up joining this tour, Strange and the Fiction tour that five.

I was on his album, the NYB song.

He was on our album.

Yeah.

Toured together.

And, you know, the rest is pretty much history.

I talked to him yesterday, actually.

Nah, it's hard, bro.

Y'all, I feel like y'all kind of introduced him well to us.

Like it was y'all.

i didn't know that was their first time meeting i was uh

man it's it's never personal i just don't i live in a bubble man it is what it is so when he was like uh you know my guy kevin gates spoke him up i'm like i don't know i don't know who that is

then um

when gates got there Gates is one like, again, this is my first time meeting him.

So I'm a,

I don't know, I guess I don't really talk much.

So, when Gace came in, he sat down and he just started talking, and he was just, I thought them knew each other,

but Gates was talking, talking, and he was talking about all kinds of shit.

A lot of shit made very little sense, a lot of shit made no sense,

a lot of

made sense fucking six years later.

But either way, no, he was just talking, and he was like, One of the things that it tripped me out because it was random.

But

me,

you know, I guess following and

paying more attention to him afterwards, I understood

for the most part, he just speak his mind.

But out of the blue, the nigga was like,

you know,

goats

eat cans.

They look the adhesive off the cans.

I'm like.

Why the fuck did you just tell me that?

It came out of nowhere.

But then

when they started playing the music, and when they started playing the music,

okay, okay, I can fuck with it.

I fucked with it.

I fucked with the

passion in it.

And all the way up until then, I didn't really, I didn't know who he was.

I didn't know who he was or what he do, ain't no shit.

So when we started playing the music, I'm like, okay, no, he got something.

And start, you know, they started discussing making music.

And some of the shit that he was saying,

some of the shit he was saying about music kind of changed how I looked at certain shit.

Because he, I can't remember what record.

Star played him a record, and the record was either too long or too short.

I can't really remember.

But Star was like, nah, it was, he was scared he was going to make it too long.

He was like, well, you know, I don't want to do or add another verse to it or something because then the song is going to be too long.

Gates were like, man, fuck, who don't give a fuck how long the song is?

It was 40 seconds.

That's all you got.

That's all you got.

Put that shit out.

They're going to eat that shit up.

And when he said that, I'm like, like, that's crazy.

I don't know.

Listen on a fucking 40-second song.

And then fucking two, three years later, everybody's got fucking 40, 50-second songs.

I'm like, that nigga was on to something.

And, you know, the delivery was, you know, a bit odd to me.

But it made per likewise.

I said, you know, some of the shit made sense later.

But meeting them then, I could have sworn them niggas had already knew each other.

Because, you know, Gace was having like

personal conversations.

I knew them niggas knew each other.

Well,

this nigga fucked you.

Having met his music prior to then, and I think the relationship he had with my music, and he wasn't shy about it.

Yeah.

A lot of it at that point to me was just kind of listening.

or you know hearing him out because he was explaining like how he got in how and when he got introduced to my music which made a lot of sense to him

and um i spent a lot of time in louisiana so like it was

I think I could

understand.

I think I understood.

Some of the slang here for Louisiana was peculiar.

I'll just say that.

Yeah.

So he knew exactly what the nigga was saying.

And we bonded right away.

And it really wasn't much different than me and Trip working together.

Like the

work,

the pace of the work just kind of just, it was a natural flow.

Exactly.

Like I said, we don't waste no effort.

Six, seven songs in one session.

And they was all like out of here.

You know, know, they was all smashes.

I think he was on my call target album like four times or something like that.

Yeah, as much as, like, you know, some people, I get that, like, oh, the first time I heard him was here.

For sure, I'm sure a lot of people maybe heard me for the first time on this project.

And that was the same thing I'm saying.

That's how I feel like it should go.

Trust for kind of thing.

And because there's a lot of artists tripped

early on with Yo Gotti, working, working with Dolph.

And it's like,

for sure, we trade an audience somewhere.

And there's some overlap.

And

however, whoever you hired first, however you hired us, like, that's what it's all about.

Like, me working with the younger artists, working with Lil Baby and No Cap and et cetera.

Like, I'm getting new fans, new audience, even though I'm 10 years older than

these artists.

And it's just, I mean, it's just really just a solid.

But I feel like when it's easy and fun and audited and creative to make music with artists, you got to just like, you got to ride that wave.

And it makes sense.

I wanted to ask y'all this question because you both are very vulnerable in your music.

You get a lot of your fan base feel like they know everything about y'all when they meet y'all.

Like you said, you just made gates and y'all locked in because of the music.

People hear y'all music, they feel like they know y'all instantly when they meet y'all.

Yeah, yeah.

In most cases, it gets real awkward.

Well, you know, I appreciate it, I value it, but I think sometimes people get

so invested in it that they forget that you don't know me.

So

even like, you know, if you listening to my music and you listen enough for you to feel like you know me, then one of the first things that should stick out is that I ain't

welcoming, I guess, if that's a word.

So what happens.

You know, we man we be moving around.

People call, I was in the airport yesterday and a woman walked past and said, Hey, Chris.

I'm like,

I don't even know you.

I'm like, I love your music.

I'm like, you love it enough to think you could call me Chris.

But that's how, you know, some people, some people be so into it that the line between entertainment and reality is

almost invisible.

And again, I, you know, I appreciate it.

I

respect it.

But I think,

you know, we are aware of it enough.

And our

background is pretty much the same.

So we make sure

to keep the boundaries

present, if that makes sense.

So, you know, you walk up to me and I'm with my kids.

I get it.

You might not know.

I ain't done a trip with my kids.

So, you know, I'll politely tell you, you know,

ain't, we ain't doing no pictures or none of that.

I got my kids.

And, you know, some people get it.

More people get it now than, you know, previously.

But, you know, if you don't get it, it's so, you know, I know that if this goes sideways, I ain't really going to get, I ain't going to interact with it.

You know, a lot of, what's the word?

I'm going to try my best to diffuse, even if all I'm going to do is walk away.

I was in the fucking.

put putt one time with my whole family and uh a a a couple asked for a picture and i was like you know you i know this ain't the you know i can't really do that right now with my family and guy just started snapping he was like man you hollywood ass

think you this he think he that and i was like

damn

golf club time no see but that's the thing see i earlier i told you i don't play well with others

and

you sound like him when he

the way the way my family the way we was raised, is come one, come all.

So

it don't matter if you're four feet or nine feet, you're going to get everybody's feet on your ass.

So, you know, but I got my kids, so I got to be a father right now or a role model, so to speak.

This shit can hit the fan.

When it hit the fan, you vastly out.

I took my entire, it was 30 of us in there.

Yeah.

And that's just how we rock.

So if I, if, if any physical altercation would have broke out, it would have been the worst case scenario.

This shit wasn't going to end lightly.

And, you know, I got to think 30, you know, 30 people stomping you out might kill you in here.

On top of that,

you know, what's the effect that have on our kids?

These are small children.

No, at that time, they were small.

But these are small children.

And, you know, there's going to be complete chaos.

They, the shit, they came to Putt-Putt to be at a fucking, I don't know what you call it.

Was that considered an amusement park?

Whatever the fuck it is.

They came to have fun.

They ain't come to play pen,

to see a brawl.

So, you know, I gotta, you know, I gotta be,

you know, I have to, I gotta think, think about the, you know, the consequences of how far it can go.

And I get it.

You love my music so much that you blurred the line.

You don't get it.

So I'm gonna excuse you, even though, you know, they're getting louder and louder.

I'm like, man.

And at this point in time, my brother was live.

And my brother is what was,

was a, um,

he was extremely welcoming,

but it was a facade.

He was fake welcoming.

Like, you know, yeah, man, we cool.

Uh-huh.

We, they plotting to rob you in like 20 minutes.

As soon as y'all go to whatever the fuck they, they for the, you know, they on your ass.

So even then, I, you know, I got to defuse him.

Cause again, the way my family rocked, if he would have set it off, it would have been, you know, I wouldn't have been able to defuse it after that.

Ain't no, hey, man, it's a one-on-one.

We don't know what those are.

That's what I'm saying.

So, you know, it shit would have gotten that right, Moop.

So, niggas, niggas know now.

Yeah, I see Trip.

He got your baby sweat.

If I got to leave him alone, you know, no,

you ain't got so no, it ain't that severe way.

You know, you can't speak or

set it up.

No, no, don't, don't do the, you know, and if you do, don't get upset with me because I ain't, you know, I ain't, I, I'm standing on what I'm standing on.

And I'm in father mode.

I'm in father.

father because think you know uh what happens when i turn i take all these pictures with you and now i got to go to the front and have them call do the all call because i can't find one of my goddamn pictures i was taking pictures with your ass

now i'm a bad parent

you know i i have to you know i got to fix the time and the place for everything and you know if i'm in target solo

i'm with it you know i take as many pictures as you want so we just at the game i ain't turned a single picture down.

When we perform, we know, shit, we willn't take a picture with every person that's in there.

If I got my kids, we ain't taking us, not a single picture.

And I don't,

I don't agree with the idea of my kids being famous until that's, you know, until they're old enough to make the decision for themselves.

That's real.

So I ain't for to sit here and let you take pictures of me and my family.

Or, you know, you got videos of me.

You know, if you, you know, familiar with me in any sort, you check my shit.

My kids ain't all over my social media.

And I feel like

I think it's a very thin line between that shit being cute and that shit being exploiting.

And I ain't trying to get no points off my cute kids.

And they fucking adorable to me.

But dang what I'm in this for.

And

I feel like in some cases,

the more you let people blur the line, the more blurry it's going to get.

And, you know, and that shit make my kids extremely uncomfortable.

And people don't get it.

I was in, it might became my target one day.

I had my two oldest kids, and

you know, I'm naturally paranoid because we, you know, we come from where we come from.

So, you know, when I come out, I picked this guy standing by this truck, and he keeps staring at me.

And I'm like, man, you know, I had,

again, I'm paranoid.

So I've already taught my kids.

I want to say talk because we've never been in the scenario.

So I've already

talked to them about what to do with shit.

You know, shit go sideways when we're out and about.

And I've explained to them, I got enemies I've never met because because i'm successful that's what success brings that's real so you know when i peep the dude i keep walking and you know he i'm walking on one side of the parking lot he on the other side so i peep him crossing so i'm like all right what's up bro and i tell my kids to keep going you know because if something happened i prefer them to be away from right here he was like man I've been circling the park.

I saw you go in.

I've been circling the parking lot until you came out.

I was like, man, I fuck with your music so much.

He was a fan.

And I was like, man, you know how weird that sounds when you circle the parking lot.

I'm like, in real time, I don't know who you are.

Like, I appreciate the love.

I really do.

But I'm like, man, you know, while I was saying that, he looked at my kids, and my kids was like this.

He was like, damn, man, I didn't think about that.

You know, I fanned out.

And, you know, I ain't people.

I just made your whole, not whole family, but you know, I made you and your family uncomfortable.

And he was apologizing to them and shit.

And when I got in the truck, I asked my kids, you know, are y'all good?

And it was crazy because they, like I said, I'm paranoid naturally.

And I know that that rubbed off on them, too.

They were like, yeah, dad, we seen him when as soon as we walked out, we seen him staring at you.

So they never stopped paying attention to him.

And I told them to go to the truck when he stepped over.

And when he pointed to my left, that's when I realized they only moved like two or three cars down.

They didn't go all the way to the truck.

But that's because they trying to make sure they see what's going on.

But I say all that to say, you know, if you run into me, you know, with my kids, you know, tone it down.

Keep

my hand alone.

Wave at him.

Chuck the deuce, keep a puncher.

You look good, nigga.

You know what I look good?

A handshake would suffice, man.

For sure.

Just, you Sometimes it shit just go too far, man.

Yeah, hey, what's that feeling like, man, when people rap y'all, y'all, y'all performing y'all song, but you can see the crowd rapping every word for word.

Like, I play basketball, so you know, you see people fan now, you they cheer for you, I like your stuff, they have your jersey on or whatever.

But somebody rapping something you wrote word for word, bar for bar, what's that like?

It's it's surreal, and it's it's it's still as surreal as the first time.

It would probably, well, I could imagine, it would be,

it would feel the same way it would feel

when you leaving the game or any time in life when somebody got like a basketball card a year.

Nah, that's different, though.

Because people buy basketball cards to sell them.

Yeah.

I don't care

about that part of basketball cards.

I can't sell me rapping.

Well, see,

I think that shit is euphoric.

I don't know.

I don't know a better way to explain it.

I think

I think that's just, you know what I'm saying?

It's a special feeling.

Yeah,

I ain't never imagined none of this for myself.

Like you said, you was listening to the street by sign.

Like, I was

one of the who

said that shit aside, wanting to rap just on some cool shit or,

you know, trying to make some money, trying to get the girls, whatever it was at that time.

Like,

I ain't never expect or,

you know, look at it as being like embraced or well-received.

Like, I remember the first time somebody I didn't know telling me I was cold.

You know what I'm saying?

And that.

That meant so much more, just truthfully, than like my friends and peers, people that I knew was on the, they could just say that shit because cool with me.

I'm like, I'm on the other side of town, and these

dudes don't know me.

Or I'm, you know, I'm up at TSU in a parking lot, like in a cipher, just rapping a cappella, and people like, or the next day, people, like, man, rap something else.

I'm telling my homeboy about you.

And it's like, you know, so the level up from there to, like you said, something that I wrote down, something I put together, composed, and I'm

four or five hours away from home, or I'm 10 hours away from home, or we're on a tour, and it's like night for night, or just period, even like the new music just being received.

But, like you said, seeing people really rocking out to it, and it's like, like, it's day song, yeah, yeah, it's like, damn, like, because I ain't, it's a special feeling, yeah.

I always want to ask this question, uh, especially for y'all.

Um, where do you get more joy in making the music or actually getting able to perform it and share it with people?

I think it's like even for me, it's like 50-50.

I think making the music, music sometimes almost like therapy.

And then to the last question, when it's received well and it's appreciated, like it's a whole nother high to share it.

Or like, yeah, we might have made the music a month or two prior or over the course of time.

But like at the time I'm putting it out, I'm almost like enjoying it all over again when the other people listening to it in real time.

But

that feedback, that reception, like

the last question that kind of skipped over of uh how do you balance like giving so much personally to people feel like they know you yeah that's the the give and take of that it was like for me my music is my personality my music is like i'm this is all i know how to be you know once i tapped into that once i got out of like trying to work within the system like i just went with I don't be the best me.

I'm going to be the best version of myself.

So people taking it that is like, I don't really get no better than that.

I ain't have to put nothing on it.

The good, bad, happy, sad, in between.

Because the crazy part is people tend to like gravitate toward the darkest, the most extreme side.

You know what I'm saying?

I make music that for me, I might have been crying on the inside making it, but somebody else, like, man, this changed my life.

This got me through this.

Or like, he was rapping my life right there.

And I'm like, damn, I was rapping my life.

But the fact that it had that effect on you, like, it keeps me doing it.

You know what I'm saying?

Let me know I ain't doing it for nothing.

I say the same.

I think the joy comes from.

I don't get joy out of creating the music, but like he said,

creating it is the therapy for me.

Creating the songs keep me from

creating the song keep me from doing other shit.

I'll just say that.

So I think the, you know, the creating process is more like the release.

And then, you know, the

joy comes from another person

being able to relate to something they wasn't present for, if that makes sense.

You know, to meet me and say, you went through so-and-so, so-and-so.

Because when I'm making the record, I ain't thinking about what you're going through.

Like you said, I'm thinking about what I'm going through.

And I think that's refreshing for all people to know you ain't the only one

in that certain battle, whatever that battle is.

So, you know, I think for the most part, the joy comes from, you know, receipt from

meeting people that receive the music.

Yeah, even when you said like the wrestling stuff or like generational stuff, like a lot of music is a time capsule.

So we're just speaking from

art.

This is the era.

This is the generation we grew up in.

Like, it's music that's made today that I just don't get.

I don't understand because I ain't trying to tell this nigga, man.

I didn't grow up like that.

You know what I'm saying?

Yo, Malby trying to put us on.

He try to put us on every day.

I just can't can't get with it

right but i feel like it's still to say it's still somebody speaking for us or speaking a language that we understand because a lot of my favorite artists that i came up on don't do it for me anymore like you know what i'm saying

same here i when they making music present day they trying to keep up with the new wave and it's like man just

Give it to me straight the way that you always have.

And

so that's that's just something like we tap into.

Like

Even a project that,

well, I don't know if y'all was going to ask about it.

Don't worry about it.

Yeah, it won't bad.

I mean, it's like speaking a language that

if you know, you know, or that people that relate to it can understand.

It's like a sweet spot.

Yeah, man, let's get straight to it, man.

It is very hard to make projects with the same name, and they all still great.

Y'all on the fourth version of this, man.

New Set Bros on the way, man.

Indeed, indeed.

Indeed.

Volume four, baby.

Get a date away.

Yeah, we came here really to drop the date.

We was gonna drop it on 520, but uh, May 9th, Step Brothers for Life.

Hey, wow, we're getting the drop.

We're getting the drop.

Step Brothers for Life.

Can I ask you this?

Yeah.

I'm married.

I know you're married too.

Are you still

not?

No, I'm talking about war.

I already know you for the actual reason, though.

I'm going to tell you what these days together, bro.

Can you tell me niggas start with a purpose like that.

No,

clean it up.

I'm married too.

I clean it up, boy.

Shout out to my wife, man.

Yeah,

shout out to my wife, too.

Kind of shit.

He started Step Brother 3 off of that.

Then he started Step Brothers 3 off of that.

I don't even perform that part.

That's why I laughed when You're gonna mute my little crowd.

Don't say that line no more.

Oh, okay, but for respect.

Actually, censor it, so I had to say it for him.

Yeah,

we'll let y'all figure that out.

Had to be responsible.

Shout out to Stacey.

This is my god, for sure, man.

But listen, man, y'all bless us with volume four, man.

What made the decision y'all to spend it black?

It's just time.

See,

I think

we ain't never

not in,

I don't know how you would put that.

To the audience or to the people who listen to our music, you'd assume that in between Step Brothers 3 and now that

we ain't a group or tandem.

I don't know how you look at it.

I understand why people think that.

But in real life,

In between that, we ain't Mr.

Beat.

Like, he was in my wedding.

We, like, we know each other.

We're around each other.

We talk to each other.

We have an actual relationship.

It's not just music.

And even with music, like, if I'm sure somebody's going to go and do it.

But if you sat and counted all the records we've done in between.

Don't worry about it.

He's actually a girl.

He just came out the count right there.

He just asked us this morning.

He was like, besides stepbrothers and them, how many songs you think they actually on?

They want each other's album all the time.

Oh, you couldn't count.

Okay, but you get what I'm saying.

Our relationship was never contingent on us being the group.

When we met, we were two solo artists.

We just worked so well with each other

that we never really, it don't feel like work.

So at some point,

he's good with timeline.

I don't know how long it's been.

So at some point, you know, people keep asking about stepbrothers, folks, stepbrothers, four.

and I was like, you know, shit, we'll get to it when we get to it.

And somebody told me, I think it might have been him.

Tell me how long it's been.

It's been a million.

For eight years and 11 days.

It's been a million.

When he did that shit, I was like, oh, that makes sense then.

Why people assume that it's no stepbrothers for shit.

It's been eight years.

Yeah, but it's just been life.

Yeah, real definitely.

And that's, I mean, the irony of the album being called Stepbrothers for Life is we really, you know, really thugging it out.

We really living this.

I mean, our music is transparent.

Our music is full disclosure, if you will.

But like you just said, every step of the way, we've been in weddings.

We've been at birthday parties, funerals, for what it's worth.

Right.

Like every highs and lows.

And we've actually, truthfully, like only grown that much closer in the time between Stepbrothers 3 and now.

So

I don't think it's felt like eight years for us because we was going through everything, every step of the way to get here.

But I also think it's like perfect timing, divine timing.

Uh, the original plan we dropped three was to drop again that year, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, he said it, and and

people never let us forget it,

but I mean, you know, like life happened,

yeah,

you know, just I mean, we don't gotta

plan all the uh

real tricky, but either way, you know, I think

I think

right now we're in the space or in a

accessible enough space for us to sit down.

And like I said earlier, we do all the stepbrothers' records in person together.

We don't email none of that shit.

Yeah, we never sent a song over for right.

Nothing that's every stepbrother's tape was recorded in person.

And

how long does it take?

How long does it take?

Yeah, like the process.

If y'all had to.

The first one we did in three sessions.

Damn.

The second one, I don't know.

I don't.

I don't know.

It wasn't that long.

Yeah, the second one, we started around the time of that session with Kevin Gates, which was like early 2013.

And

we finished it like early summer by the time.

Is that the one we did?

Did it mixtape for two?

Nah, that was three.

But

it wasn't three sessions.

It wasn't quite as fast as as the first one, but we just would link out of town and was going to Atlanta a lot and just getting in a lot.

It wasn't many sessions, though.

And the last one, same thing.

We just get together.

We did like a EP, a short mixtape and an album at the same time.

And that was over the course of like really the majority of it in about two months.

Two months' time, maybe five or six sessions.

And with this one,

we've gotten in, what, maybe four or five sessions?

And

got the majority of it together.

Just, I mean, even our last session, we did four songs

in one session, just

not even really thinking about it.

But in that time in between, like, we had sessions where we ain't even probably play no beats.

We just sat in there chopping it like this.

Look up, and everybody's tired, and we just go on our way because it just might be necessary as homeboys, just

to talk.

You know what I'm saying?

And them conversations are what make the best records anyway.

Yeah, it turns into the art, but we don't really

like you know, like I said, you know, that's my brother, so we ain't on no schedule, so to speak.

So, when we, when we do go in, of course, you know, when we booking time, we keep that in mind.

That, you know, we got it paid into whatever.

But we don't really, you know, I don't know.

It don't feel like work.

So I don't much keep up with it.

It just happens how it happens.

And we don't do the,

you know, like we ain't sitting saying, man, we got to come up with a fucking single or catch it this or whatever the fuck.

We ain't into none of that.

We go and whatever happens when we in there,

it happens.

And that's what we go with.

And so far, that's what our careers have been based off.

You know, us individually and as a tandem.

It's this has worked because we've been who we really are.

And, you know, it don't make no sense to try to reinvent the wheel now.

I'm just trying to think like y'all don't, I never hear y'all recycle shit, but y'all drop so much much music.

Like, I ain't gonna lie, I probably

would have recycled so much.

Man, I can't remember all this shit.

Yeah, you dropped 36 albums.

Yeah, so I want to know.

I wanted to ask why'd you do that?

Like, what made you just get in the studio?

Like, man, I'm dropping 25 albums in two years, man.

Um,

we let people believe that me and him made some kind of bet,

but in real time, because he dropped 20 times.

I sat in the band just dropped.

He OD.

He's wildly dropping.

I was in the studio with one of my rap friends.

He passed away, Long Live Casino Jizzle.

But I was in the studio, I was working on the record.

Oh, I was working on the record.

Well, I was doing a verse for him.

And he was like, man, when are you going to drop something else?

I was like,

man, I just dropped him.

He was like, it's been about two years.

I said, what?

And, you know, we said, we do the, we go through my timeline.

And this was like maybe 20,

21,

maybe.

Either way, you know, I looked at my last release and I'm like, damn, you know, it has been a minute.

And I had no excuse for why I hadn't released.

So after that, that kind of spawned the idea of my

tape out.

And every time I said I'm going to put a tape out, I didn't put a tape out.

And I used to overthink it.

You know, I sit and do fucking 40 songs and then pick 15 songs and then everything else just sit on the hard drive.

So at some point, I don't really know what it was, but I sat and I'm looking at all these fucking songs on this hard drive.

It's just there.

Nobody's ever heard any of it.

And I said, man, fuck it.

I'm going to put this shit out.

Then I thought about it again.

I said, no, fuck it.

I'm just going to put everything out.

That shit's still on the hard drive.

I'm like, you know, fuck this.

I'm going to put every from that moment forward.

I said, every record I record, I'm going to release.

They don't much make sense to hold on to it.

I don't have to answer to nobody.

So it don't much make any sense.

And then I'm in my own studio.

So I ain't even on no clock.

So I said, fuck it.

I'm going to put out everything.

And

what was the first one?

The first tape is eight records.

So I told myself I wouldn't ever put something out that's less than eight records.

I feel like, I mean, people do it all the time.

So each is on.

I felt like that wouldn't be,

I felt like I'd be doing my audience a disservice to give you less than eight records.

So

I had no goal.

You know, end of that month, I called the distributor.

I'm like, you know, hey, I got eight records.

I want to put this tape out.

So let's do it.

I did that.

And I said, I'm going to, you know, do the same thing.

And

shit, after about four or five of them, I said, you know, I think I can do whole year work for this shit.

And they said, yeah, sure.

You know,

they've heard it all before from everybody.

So even the distribution company didn't know I was dead-ass serious.

So when I did them 12, really on the 11th one, on the 11th one,

they I don't pay attention to the numbers.

So, you know, they're calling me and they telling me how successful the shit was.

I said, oh,

I can do this with 12 more.

Man,

when I started, when I started on that second 12,

oh, man, I was so exhausted when I got to the fucking 24th tape.

I said, it could, the way I,

my process is different now.

I used to be one of those artists that's always in the studio every day.

I record a record every day.

Now,

throughout the whole 24 tapes, I probably recorded,

I probably was in the studio for three days out of every one of those months.

And

Craig can tell you,

I don't remember what tape it was, but I was in New York doing a press run, and man, him was on the phone.

We was on the phone for a while.

We was on the phone, and I want to say he called me about a particular song that he was working on.

And

throughout the conversation, you know, it really was

this particular conversation, I was more an ear than a voice.

I'm just listening to him.

So I'm hearing him out.

At the end of the

conversation, I think I was like, you know, I got to call our engineer engineer because I can't get this shit to work.

Like, it wasn't working.

Like, you know, I'm trying to record here in the hotel, and I can't get this shit to work right.

He said, okay,

he's like, you know, and he's fully aware of the time frame you have to release music.

And it might have been like a Sunday or Monday, we on the phone.

And he was like, okay, when you dropping, I'm like, Friday.

He's like, okay, okay.

Shit, how many you got?

Not a single fucking song gonna have anything.

And shit's got to be turned in like Tuesday or Wednesday for the shit to really be released.

And Craig was like, Man, how the fuck do you play on?

You got nothing?

I don't got shit.

And, you know, by Wednesday, I had at least 14 or 12 songs at least.

I don't know how many went on that tape, but I had the whole tape.

I don't know, man.

Just

times 24.

Like, he did this 24 times.

Yeah.

He did like how, bro?

I have no idea, man.

I really, like I said a second ago, just let whatever happens, happens.

If you go to each one of those, those, every song is probably 300-something songs.

No two songs are the same.

I didn't sit and say, you know, I'm going to do this kind of record or make this kind of song.

I cycle through beats and whatever popped in my head.

That's what I say.

That's what I'm trying to say.

And with it being my real life, I don't have to worry about saying something I can't stand on.

That's

that's amazing to me.

Like, how y'all can think of this shit?

Like,

I don't know.

Shout out to y'all, bro.

Everybody's Everybody's process is different.

And when he was going through that, like at some point, he said he was going to do it for a year, maybe halfway through or through the first year.

So I hadn't dropped in like three years.

Just I was kind of like, fuck rap.

And seeing him go through that and conversation we were having, because I was, you know, I was on about half of those projects.

I kind of worked my way out of that rut or that space and I did my love drug album.

And it was kind of like at that time, like, all right, I'm going going to drop in December.

He had dropped 11 projects already.

I thought we was about to turn the corner and do stepbrothers after that because he was going to do the 12.

I'm like,

yeah, I'm trying to get right.

And kind of like, he said, I got to do it.

And then when he did the 12th one, and I'm like, all right, what's good, bro?

He was like, I'm about to drop this January project.

I'm like,

you just did 12.

He's like, do it again.

I'm like,

you know what?

Look, what happened?

When I did the 12, 12,

people will come, you know, some people are going to give you credit and a lot of people like to give backhand compliments.

So one person will say, man, that's amazing.

He did 12 records in a year.

And then somebody pop up and say,

Hat Booze did it first.

Then somebody said,

Currency did it first.

And I'm like, man, I don't know if they did it or not, but that ain't the point.

That's like saying, hey, man, I bought a house and you said, yeah,

but my brother bought one before you.

What the fuck does that matter?

And I never respond to it because I know how quick it can get twisted.

And, you know, my response

could make currency turn around and read it.

And, you know, because naturally you'd be like, fuck, fuck him.

This ain't got nothing to do with him.

But it's easy for that to be misconstrued.

And that's the last thing I want is for somebody to be able to take something I said and turn it into something.

I pride myself on what I say.

So when I start seeing that, I said, all right, okay.

Every time somebody mentioned 12 y'all got somebody else did it i said all right show me somebody that done 24

not until you so show me somebody that done 24 i don't respect your comment about somebody else did it before i did it

but i had to it was i had i had a point to prove to

nation

man it killed you for a whole year yeah it was so much music like me and mike like i told you we'd be sharing the music he'd be like you heard a trip album i'm like damn nigga i just played it last week

He's like, No, he dropped another one.

I said, All right, I tripped.

He lost me now.

I was just playing say less.

I'm on half of him, and I still ain't caught up.

But that's the beauty of it.

That's what I'm about to say.

I think that's the beauty of it.

I ain't put all the music out for, I mean, it happened.

There are people who like listen to every record when it drops, and I appreciate that.

But I also value the person who,

you know, out of 24 tapes, they didn't make it past 13.

That 13 tape, they was living in that space.

And that's that tape speak to them.

I had, it happens all the time where

people reach out and tell me about old records.

They just not heard this record.

They're like, man, what you said on so-and-so, so-and-so record, man, it spoke to me.

I had been playing Say Less for so long.

I was stuck on that.

And then I heard this new shit, man.

I fuck with it.

And I kind of look at that shit like Netflix series and shit.

Like, you know, you might not be hip to the film or the show that came out four years ago.

No, you know.

And now you pronounce enough of it for you to binge if you want to binge.

And if you, you know, some of us only like what we like.

Like, if, shit, I got a playlist right now.

It's all R ⁇ B.

And it's probably Phil, it's probably,

it might be 10 records that's been put out since 2020 that's on this in this playlist.

Everything else is from me growing up or, you know, whatever time period it was when I heard it.

So I understand when people,

you know, when they live with the music so tough that they got no, no, no ear for anything else.

I want to hear the newer shit.

I want to hear this.

This is what I love.

You know, this is what drives me.

And if they never move on to another record, so be it.

You got enough music for them niggas to hold on to.

I knew y'all was good rappers.

They all know my wife, obviously, but my wife, she don't listen to nothing, really.

She listened to Spanish music and occasionally Lil Wayne.

So she was like, Oh, is your wife Spanish?

Yeah, okay.

So she like, I was like, that's different.

Okay,

nigga, don't start.

It makes sense now.

Okay.

No, but she like

out of nowhere.

I swear to God, I never talked to her about music.

Because me and her argue about music.

And she was like, the Starlito guy can rap.

He's pretty good.

I'm like, fuck you, man.

I was like, I was like, who the fuck you?

I was like, my nigga, you was

about to get divorced.

Who the fuck is that?

I swear to God, I started laughing.

And she was like, what?

I was like,

you don't know that.

She's like, no, I liked her voice.

And she was like, trip, Don Trip.

I started crying, laughing.

I was like,

I'm going to tell him that when we were about to interview.

She's like, you about to interview them?

I rock to them in the morning.

I'm like, what?

I really need to know where the fuck she heard that shit from, but we got to have a conversation.

I'm about to see what your galaxy added hoop on 2K.

She wasn't like that, though.

She's like, I rock to them in the morning.

I'm like, in the morning?

Yeah.

She was kind of wild, bro.

You may just do that on accident.

I was like, what's going on, Jim?

She was like, what, what?

Selena say, ain't no such thing as a coincidence.

So they about to get you fucked up for you.

it.

I fuck with that.

Yeah,

that's back to that.

Like,

for us as artists, I could never imagine the reach of the music or where it's going to go.

I made songs where I would have thought women would have hated me for making a song and they'd be the one that they take to, the one that they love.

Or, you know, I make something so personal or so vulnerable and I'm like, maybe nobody else will be able to feel this because it's just uniquely my own experience.

And then it's the standout record or whatever.

So, like, I mean, that's that's what's up.

I love to know what it was that peaked the answer to that.

Me too.

I was hella confused.

Definitely appreciate y'all's longevity of this shit, man.

Definitely appreciate y'all for pulling up, too.

Yeah, that's type of thing.

Definitely big for us.

Yeah,

man.

I can't wait for Step Brothers for the drop.

May 9th.

Tap me in.

May 9th.

He got the drop on Club 520.

We appreciate that.

Come on, man.

You know, we supported up here, man.

May 9th, tap in, sir, brothers, for life.

We appreciate y'all, man.

We're going to have to do this again, man.

Hey, man, with it, man.

With it.

I ain't, you know, I don't much

agree to traveling to

people.

So, because you don't get along with nobody.

But for me, my bad.

But for me,

I don't know.

It always means something to me when people really, you know, really rock with us.

Because

I don't got no,

you know, ain't no cosign.

Nobody hits you and say, you know, here's my artist or here's the guy we working with or whatever.

You know, if you fuck with me, you fuck with me genuinely because of me.

And, you know, that shit,

I...

I couldn't go without showing my appreciation back.

So we created love, bro.

I I was like, shit, let's do it.

I'm with it.

Nah, we appreciate it because we definitely fuck with y'all.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, from the shoes, you can see I'm a fan.

Nah, for sure.

I'm a fan of the platform, the podcast.

I wanted to talk more basketball with y'all.

Oh, we can.

Obviously, it was a couple of things.

One of my partners wanted me to bring up.

See if you remember playing Nashville Celtics.

He said he gave y'all 35.

My homeboy, Jamie Graham.

That was one thing.

You might

damn 35?

Yeah.

What a year ago.

Did we win?

I think he said y'all might have won that one and they beat y'all in another tournament.

35.

But shit, I ain't gonna lie.

I never played no defense.

Shit, he probably had 35.

Shout out to bro.

Shout out to Jamie Graham.

Yeah, because I was definitely actually no defense.

He played at Vanderbilt.

I ain't never played no

He said, play no defense, man.

I'm here to shoot this ball.

That's what I was about to see.

I wanted to ask y'all, this is just an oddball question.

What's your favorite basketball movie of all time?

Mine's blue chips.

He got a game, bro.

No, Ray Allen is the greatest basketball movie character ever.

The basketball movie ever.

With the worst script of all time.

Me, bro.

Yeah.

I like blue chips.

Oh, man.

Mine's hoop dreams.

I fuck with hoop dreams too, though.

It was like almost like that was a documentary, damn.

Yeah, that was real.

That was real.

It was too real.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was my.

All right, and I ain't going to the NBA moment.

Yeah, like Teams.

Just period.

Like, Will was on a podcast story.

Nobody likes Sunset Park.

But I like Blue Chip.

Damn, Trip.

Sunset Park.

Give me Coach Brown for Sunset Park.

Self-park was cool, though.

I thought you ain't cool shit.

A butter rim.

I guess I was about to say a butter.

I ain't played the ball, man.

Butter rim, my boy.

Threw the ball.

My boy took the ball out.

But blue chips was so cold.

Tommy Shepherd.

Penny and them niggas was real.

I mean, I was

good, but the way they was.

Man,

Tommy Shepherd and the thermal bro was putting in work, bro.

Man, he shot the same shot, 23.

The same clip, the same mini.

I was like, come on, man.

Corduroy is in a long time.

Bro, fresh off the

roof.

I ain't never was a Space Jam fan.

I didn't like toy movies and stuff like that.

Y'all disrespectful the first Space Jam is a classic, y'all.

I ain't saying that.

I just know y'all.

We talking about acting.

That shit trash.

That shit

into that.

That's why I'm saying, you know,

if you love basketball, you was a child.

You might have liked to be a bad person.

I ain't spicy ass.

I got older brothers and sisters.

So I ain't really.

Oh, okay.

I watched cartoons

and shit when you turned cartoons on.

Like, I grew up sneaking watch cartoons.

Yeah,

he don't like them.

I grew up thinking Alan Iverson was a creative player.

For real, my brother was like, excuse me?

Nah, you gotta know my brother.

Like, you know, I'm younger.

To real, he's like, yo, you gonna play like Allen Igerson?

I'm like, Who the fuck is that?

He like, Yeah,

you're gonna play just like him.

I'm thinking he didn't create this in his head, or something.

Then he showed me him now.

I was like, Oh,

I'm gonna play like this.

He good, like, yeah, then I got brave.

Then I got brave.

This is a fact,

damn near retarded.

Yeah,

why y'all just doing it out there, bro?

Y'all know I was outside, I ain't really watched TV like that.

Unless it was wrestling,

it was crazy.

I was really AI.

That's why I said,

bro, my brother told me.

I always watched wrestling, bro.

That's all I watched.

I can dig it.

Yeah, I used to watch shit out of some wrestling.

That's all I watched growing up.

Dang.

And it probably

was not a good thing because I was already violent.

Him, too.

He took that wrestling shit to the NBA.

I'm glad they came on the show.

They're about to start playing around.

Man,

like I said, that's why I couldn't play, man.

I would have definitely been, I would have been running on test.

Nah.

I had some glimpses around our choice.

Yeah, baby.

Like, man, he's been injected for the first seven games.

Every game.

He gets ejected.

Who was your favorite player growing up?

Penny Hardy.

For sure.

Shout out to Couch Penny.

He a laid back cool nigga too, though.

So that makes sense.

Who was your game?

Like, if you say you play like somebody, who you say?

Man, that's a good one.

Mookie Blaylock.

At the time, because of the

time period, I graduated 0-2.

At one point, it was like D-Miles.

Tall and

slim and shit.

Was that DeWan Wagner class, too?

0-2.

I think so.

Yeah, it was a year before Bron.

Yeah, that's J.J.

Reddick in them class.

Yeah.

Okay.

Mars Stelder, Marmello.

Yeah.

Helper class.

Yeah.

Feld, Reimenfeld and McKenzie.

We played them junior Olympics.

Did you give them buckets?

Man, they beat the hell out of me.

Nah, people don't.

I'm not going to lie.

Rashar McCance was

the best player I've

ever played against on the court.

For real?

Shout out to Raymond Feld.

He was a dog

at the time we graduated.

Corey Brew was in my district in high school, but he was like a couple years behind me.

He was nice.

Okay.

Damn.

So you played against some shit.

You just wasn't a regular rake ball player.

You played against some NBA talent.

Yeah, we played like Holloway.

Yeah.

You could hear in his raps.

Like when he talked about basketball.

Like, the way he talked about it, I'm like, he really played basketball.

There's some people who play basketball.

Like, I get 30, like Curry.

It's like, nah, he's a boot for real.

He said that, or was that one of your boards?

What's the name of Team Mixet?

Hey, you know, I designed a studio in my house

for the wrong reasons.

I just wanted to make the video.

Oh, man.

My boss getting cracked on that soundboard.

Not trip.

Star Link though.

We out of here, man.

But life out.

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