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Speaker 1 2024 Gold Winner, Club Shay Shay, Athlete Shaping Culture, Shay Shay Media. Thank you guys.
I know all of you guys don't

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Speaker 1 that. share or talk about Club Shea Shea because without you, none of this is possible.

Speaker 1 So I want to thank you because I realize, although I am the face of Club Shea Shea, there are so many people behind the scenes that make sure Shay Shay Media is on point.

Speaker 1 Ocho, I know you guys, they've seen the graphics where each state that we're going to, we got a different graphic.

Speaker 1 We got LA, we did Friday, we got going to Charlotte, we got Talladega Nights, we going to Philly, and we got the Rocky theme.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of people, CJ and his crew, that pink deer, that make Club Shay Shea work and do what it does.

Speaker 1 So I want to thank you guys so very, very much for making this possible because without you, none of this could be possible. So thank you again very much.
Thank you for the Signal Awards.

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Speaker 1 hopefully, we get nominated for Nightcap Ocho, and we bring some gold headphones home for Club Shay Shay. Yeah, most definitely.
I'm sure it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 But until that time does come, I would like

Speaker 1 one of those also to put in my game room.

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I'm sure. I know

Speaker 1 you're the face of Club Shay Shay, but without me,

Speaker 1 you're parting in crime.

Speaker 1 I don't think things are even.

Speaker 1 So when I take on vacation,

Speaker 1 you want to be the host of Club Shay Shay? That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Listen, I can turn the switch on.

Speaker 1 I can turn the switch on when necessary. So if you need me, when you take a vacation, I can fill in for you

Speaker 1 and do that. But until that time comes, I'm going to need two of those go headphones.
to go in my game room too as well. I don't know, Ocho.
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Speaker 1 So thank you very, very much. Ocho, half of the women's final four is set.
Number one seed, the South Carolina Lady Gamecocks and the UCLA Lady Bruins punch their tickets to Tampa, Florida today.

Speaker 1 Two remaining spots remain. The TCU Lady Hornfrogs takes on the Texas.

Speaker 1 No, TCU, excuse me. The TCU Lady Hornfrogs takes on the Texas Lady Longhorns.

Speaker 1 UConn, the Lady Huskies, takes on the USC Lady Trojans minus Juju. Great matchups.

Speaker 1 Could we get all four number one seeds? That might be the first time that will ever happen, right?

Speaker 1 Four number one seeds in the men's side go, four number one seeds in the women's side go in the same year, in the same year. I think that would probably the first time.

Speaker 1 I think if we're going to get an upset, it would probably be TCU.

Speaker 1 But UConn could possibly spring the upset, but man, Paige Buckets, she was sensational. She was sensational the other night.

Speaker 1 she she went on a 190 run by herself uh-huh normally you see a team go on a run they go on 10 15 20 point runs there's a lot of scoring going on

Speaker 1 he went she went on a 190 run by herself

Speaker 1 yeah so she seems to be peaking at the right time um seems like everything is going their way but i can't wait to see like i said the lady game crocs lady gamecocks and the lady trojan bruins they're there they're waiting on someone.

Speaker 1 Who will it be? Will it be the Lady Hornfrog or the Lady Longhorns? The Lady Huskies or the Lady Trojans? Tomorrow night,

Speaker 1 today, the Lady Gamecocks took down the number two seed Duke, Lady Blue Devils, coach Don Staley. It's our fifth straight Final Four appearance.

Speaker 1 The Bruins beat LSU

Speaker 1 to deny them another Final Four appearance. If I'm not mistaken, I think this is the Bruins.
This is their first Final Four

Speaker 1 in history of the basketball,

Speaker 1 the ladies basketball program. Now, they're strong and used to be strong in ladies softball, lady volleyball.

Speaker 1 They were tremendous. When they had Lisa Fernandez, they got this thing started.
They were really, really good in softball. No, that was really good.
They were great in softball.

Speaker 1 But right now, for them to... Now flip the script and be good in basketball, ladies basketball, that's very, very, that was very good.
They've come a long way.

Speaker 1 Ocho, we have some very interesting sounds from the uh LSU Tigers head coach, Kim Mulkey. Let's take a listen to what she had to say.

Speaker 1 Jaden Smith, KLSU Sports, coach, this is a second straight year you guys get eliminated in the Elite Eight. Just

Speaker 1 yeah, terrible or is that good? Terrible.

Speaker 1 How many Final Fours you play in?

Speaker 1 So it's probably pretty good, huh? Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 Really? Really?

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe, really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But listen, you got to be careful with the question and when you worded the delivery and what you're asking, especially after a game, after a game like that and being eliminated.
Yes.

Speaker 1 You know what they tell players? You know what they tell players after a game?

Speaker 1 Take your time and cool down.

Speaker 1 Come to your senses before you answer any questions. She was still

Speaker 1 she just lost. She just lost the game.
So you have to understand why she was feeling the way she felt and why she lost the power.

Speaker 1 has she ever not has she not lost the game before yeah yeah i mean

Speaker 1 it wasn't he didn't even get a chance to finish the question he's asking uh a coach this is the second time you've been eliminated and for you to snap back and say well how many final fours have you been to i mean you really

Speaker 1 understand listen i totally understand where you're coming from

Speaker 1 As a journalist, as an analyst, excuse me, as a journalist, he has a job to do. He has questions to ask.

Speaker 1 To mention, oh, this is the second time you've been eliminated. You have to understand where she's coming from and seeing from her perspective.
Well, goddamn, I just got eliminated.

Speaker 1 You letting me know it's the second time I got eliminated. I don't know how many times I've been eliminated.
Just how about word the question differently? So, how would

Speaker 1 you have? How would you have worded the question?

Speaker 1 Um, coach,

Speaker 1 it's an unfortunate loss. You guys have been eliminated, and then go on to what you want to say.
Mentioning that she's been eliminated twice

Speaker 1 is totally unnecessary and it's somewhat of a jab and that's the way she took it which is which is why the that's excuse me i'm talking too damn fast which is why she answered it the way she did she was snappy based on the way the question was answered so you change the way you ask it you change the delivery i guarantee her answer is different i don't think so that's all that's all i'm saying i don't believe so kim mokey has been nasty for a very long time and she's gotten away with this type of behavior because she is a national champion winning coach

Speaker 1 of doing this she has a history of doing this. The same thing with Bobby Knight.

Speaker 1 Bobby Knight had a history of said behavior, but because he was a national champion winning coach, you excuse said behavior. Remember, people excuse behavior if you win, if they like you.

Speaker 1 Kim Bonkey has been nasty for an extremely long period of time. If this is unacceptable for an athlete to say, Well,

Speaker 1 how many times have you caught a pass in the NFL? How many times have you scored a basket in the NBA? How many times do you, you know, struck somebody out of there? That would be unacceptable.

Speaker 1 This is unacceptable, Kim Mulkey. Got it.
Because

Speaker 1 he phrased the question. Is that, hold on, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 Coach, I know you're probably upset. This is the second time, this is the second in back-to-back years you got eliminated.
Considering, you know, she went to the,

Speaker 1 did she go? Hold on.

Speaker 1 No, she went to the final four. Didn't

Speaker 1 who put it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Lee Lake. Who put it out?

Speaker 1 Was it

Speaker 1 our

Speaker 1 she doesn't plus Ocho, she doesn't have the horses that she once had. Right.
I obviously.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, like, because I remember because they beat him in the national championship and then I'll return the favor. She doesn't have me.
You lose, you lose a double, double machine.

Speaker 1 And Angel Reese.

Speaker 1 She was sensational.

Speaker 1 No matter what you think about her, she was a double-double machine. She's going to probably give you 15 and 15.

Speaker 1 And it was hard to keep Lauren Betts, 6'7, off the glass. They got a lot of extra points.
They got a lot of extra second chance points.

Speaker 1 Gabriella Hawkez was great from the three-point line. She really put the dagger through the heart.
When they got the rebound, they got the kick out. Right.

Speaker 1 Bets turned around and found her and she nailed it. That was for all intents and purposes.
That was the end of the game. Flager was sensational, especially the second half.

Speaker 1 They needed more scoring and they couldn't get that other than Flager. They really didn't have a whole lot.

Speaker 1 Mauro is kind of neutralized because Bex is 6'7.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of height. And so she did a great job of things.
She has six, six or seven block shots.

Speaker 1 But I just, look, I get it, Ocho. I get it.
When we're upset. When we're, you know, when emotion is high, logic is generally low.
And we say things. And, and, and probably,

Speaker 1 she probably doesn't feel bad because, like I said, she's a four-time national champion winning coach. And she's gotten away with saying things.
She's gotten away with treating people nasty.

Speaker 1 But for me,

Speaker 1 especially,

Speaker 1 I just expect more from a coach. That's all.
That's all. 17, 18, 19-year-old kids, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 1 But when you've been in this situation for an extended period of time and you expect your players to behave in a certain manner after the game, I think the coach should set the precedent, should take the example, should lead by example and set the precedent and say, you know what?

Speaker 1 Hey, you're right. We got to do a better job of playing better earlier.
We got to do a better job of knocking down shots, not turning the ball over. Yes, hey, getting some better players.

Speaker 1 At the end of the day, it comes down to players win. You know, I can coach them up and put them in the right spot, but hey, that UCLO team, they play really, really good.

Speaker 1 There's a reason why they're the number one overall seed. There's a reason why they won the Big Ten championship.
They got an all-American over there. They're a really good basketball team.

Speaker 1 So I know we're hurt and disappointed right now that we're not advancing, but we shouldn't hang our heads because we accomplished a lot this year. We'll be back.
We'll be back.

Speaker 1 Now, listen, that answer you just gave, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 That would be great for inauguration if you're running for president. But when a woman that just

Speaker 1 lost and just got sent home, And like you said, emotions are running high,

Speaker 1 that ain't the answer you're going to get. So

Speaker 1 if one of these coaches so if samson if he says that if if shyer if he says that they ask him well you got knocked out well how many final fours did you peer is that gonna be okay if a man says that

Speaker 1 if a man has said if a woman asked that very question to a man right and he said that what would be said oh cho would that be okay hey you know it's right no it wouldn't be okay but obviously

Speaker 1 wait let me let me let me say something okay as a head as a as a male head coach you know what they probably wouldn't answer the question like that anyway they the response would be be completely different even if they had been to final force before it got knocked out a second time the way they answer the question in general it's just different

Speaker 1 it just is now i'm not saying what she said was right but i can understand i can understand her being goddamn upset yeah

Speaker 1 i don't need you

Speaker 1 listen i don't need you addressing the question towards me letting me know how many times i've been eliminated i know that I just I just got sent home. Yeah, but Ocho, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the more you invest in something, the more you invest in something, the more it hurts when it doesn't go your way.

Speaker 1 That's why you see a lot of times I was a very emotional player because I know how much I put into it. So it hurt me and it bothered me when I didn't see God.

Speaker 1 And look, everybody take losses a different way, but I was one of those guys, considering that I knew how much I put into it, how much I had sacrificed, it bothered me.

Speaker 1 But I also understood I had an obligation, I had a responsibility because had she won, she'd have been Kiki Kia.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 Totally understandable. Totally, totally, totally, totally, totally understandable.
The height you are when you win, if you're 6'5 when you win, you need to be 6'5 when you lose.

Speaker 1 Don't go below that because I see that a lot is that when things go well, everybody wants, hey, you got a question?

Speaker 1 What? What? You kikiki.

Speaker 1 Now when you lose, you short. That's it.
Oh, you up out of there. Nah, bro.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work like that. Everybody wants to win.
Everybody can't win. You should be gracious in victory and defeat.

Speaker 1 So if you're boisterous in victory, stand up there and take it like a man, a woman, when you lose. That's all I'm saying, Ocho.
And she's gotten away with this for a long, long time.

Speaker 1 She has.

Speaker 1 And people allow her to do this.

Speaker 1 It's kind of like, you know, I love Pop. But Pop was basically very disrespectful to reporters on the sideline, to Sagers.
And what do you think?

Speaker 1 I'm just asking i'm just trying to do my job i'm just trying to do my job yeah um but like i said when you win people will excuse a lot of behavior when you win that they wouldn't necessarily tolerate from someone that doesn't win nearly as much that's my two sets that was a good one haley van lift was sensational uh becker scored 40 against oklahoma i mean for tcu not known for women's basketball they got a good baseball team football teams have been good over the last couple couple of years.

Speaker 1 If I were you, I wouldn't even say anything about that because I got your ass 50-yard line seats and you left at the beginning of the third quarter. So I would

Speaker 1 say, they must have been, they were getting blown out, huh? Georgia Beatles 65 to 7.

Speaker 1 Oh, we still made it.

Speaker 1 Oh, I would love to go. She calling me.
I'm like, hold on, it's really quiet. Why,

Speaker 1 where are you? Oh, we're on the way home.

Speaker 1 but uh but haley van lift uh you know she went to louisville and the last time she was at louisville i think uh texas knocked out in the sweet 16 right i think texas locked when she was at louisville and they got chippy somebody said something to her and she's like hand out my face talking to me you ain't fit to beat me and lecture me that's like me oh cho when i'm getting a ticket look you either gonna give me a ticket and let me go on my way or you can lecture me and not give me no ticket but you ain't doing both.

Speaker 1 Both, yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, that's funny. Go ahead, Ocho.
What are you gonna say? No, I was getting ready to say, I mean, the situation you talk about, it was uh, were they in the what do you call it after the game?

Speaker 1 Were you exchanging? We shaking, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I

Speaker 1 remember that, I remember that. That that went viral.
That was viral.

Speaker 1 And I don't, I don't, I don't know if it was ever reported what was said, right?

Speaker 1 With the Texas, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 Yeah. And she's like, get off me.
I ain't trying to hear all that. He lost his game.
I'm upset.

Speaker 1 See?

Speaker 1 But it should be a great game between Texas and TCU.

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Speaker 1 Hey, everything's bigger in Texas. You got two teams battling out from that state.
Only one gets to go to Tampa and play for a national championship. And then you get Paige Buckets,

Speaker 1 the Yukon Lady Huskies, and they take on.

Speaker 1 The Lady Trojans from USC, minus Juju. Everybody knew this was a a collision course.
Everybody knew considering what happened last year.

Speaker 1 And we thought it would be just as good, if not better, because Beckers is a fully healthy Juju who was at the top of her game. She was a

Speaker 1 magnifico. And unfortunately, we're not going to get that matchup.
The question is,

Speaker 1 Arafine, can she lead them?

Speaker 1 Can she?

Speaker 1 UConn look really good. Very.

Speaker 1 They look really good, but hey,

Speaker 1 we're about to find out. We're about to find out if it's going to happen.
If she can, if Beckers can, because that's the only thing left to do on her resume. She's been player of the year.

Speaker 1 She's been an outstanding player. But all the outstanding players that go to UConn, what do they get, Ocho? National championships.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes,

Speaker 1 Rebecca Lobo, Yasu Birds, your Terazzis,

Speaker 1 Maya Moores, the Tiva Charles's, the Stewies, the

Speaker 1 Montgomerys,

Speaker 1 Paige. the only thing that's absent on her resume

Speaker 1 championship is a championship is a championship and that's how you that's how you get immortalized there right look if she was at another program hojo that's not used to winning national championship she might be the best player ever

Speaker 1 ever but when you go to uconn

Speaker 1 Or same thing, a Duke,

Speaker 1 when you go to these programs and they've won and they've had historically great players that's what juju is up against cheryl miller championships cynthia cooper

Speaker 1 that's what you're up against and so now this is her last chance

Speaker 1 your last chance yeah it is it's it's gonna be a tough road now oh yeah for sure tough road it's gonna be tough sledding yeah usc ain't gonna lay down now because they got something to play for they're look

Speaker 1 everybody that counts out man y'all they ain't gonna do nothing without they're not gonna do anything anything without Juju. Juju's averaging 25 points.

Speaker 1 We know she is 25, 5, and 6, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 They don't believe people outside of that team and maybe USC fans that they can get it done without her. She's one of the two or three best players in college basketball.

Speaker 1 That's a huge, to take that out. Right.

Speaker 1 And then expect to win. But they.

Speaker 1 expect to win. And that's all that matters.
It doesn't matter what the outside world, we expect to win. We know we believe if we played our game, we have a chance to win this game.

Speaker 1 And it's going to take an outstanding game. It's going to take that because UConn, they get out there defensively and they got a young lady that can take the game over

Speaker 1 and shoot you out of the gym. She can put the ball on the floor.
Now, she's not as physical as Juju was, but she can stroke it from the three. She got nice mid-range gains.

Speaker 1 She can put it on the floor, go to the free throw line. She's a very, very good player.
The only thing missing from Paige's resume. She's been an all-American.
She was a player of the year.

Speaker 1 Championship.

Speaker 1 Championship.

Speaker 1 Championships. Championship.
That's what that's what it comes down to, Ocho.

Speaker 1 It is really that simple because that program, you're talking about the program, you're talking about the most storied programs in women's college basketball. It's really two:

Speaker 1 it's Tennessee and it's Yukon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pathead Summit, Rest of Soul, and Geno.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You don't get any better than that.
We're good to go.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe, look who's joining us. Hey, he's six foot six, 464 pounds.
He could become the largest draft pick drafted in NFL history. And boy, he had a pro day last week.

Speaker 1 He bench pressed 225, 36 times, more than any player did at the combine earlier this year. He also ran the 40.

Speaker 1 And 5'3'9, he broke six seconds at over 460 pounds had a 25 inch vertical jump y'all let's put some hands together for florida's outstanding defensive tackle mr dance

Speaker 1 watson

Speaker 1 dad what's dad you can hear me

Speaker 1 bro what's up little fella boy you good

Speaker 1 what's up man i'm chilling i'm chilling hey hey where you at where you at right now what state you in

Speaker 1 i'm in florida where you from the crib

Speaker 1 Y'all from Tampa. Oh, I ain't knew that.
You're in Tampa right now?

Speaker 1 Okay, man. I'm

Speaker 1 let me ask you this dance you got the pro you know uh florida's having their pro day

Speaker 1 what what were you hoping to accomplish and do you feel you accomplished that in your pro day

Speaker 1 um i think i was just going there trying to surprise everybody you know i feel like everybody looking my way and stuff like that and don't expect me to be able to move around because you know usually people my size can't so i think i was going there trying to surprise some people and i think i did

Speaker 1 you definitely did you did you definitely surprise some people because you picking them up and putting them down. I'm like, well, damn.

Speaker 1 He can move. Now he can move.

Speaker 1 Before you go, hey, Dad, listen,

Speaker 1 if the scouts and the people that watch film and watch college football this year, man, and they watch you play, you're sure their quickness is like no other, though.

Speaker 1 Your footwork is like no other, though. So they should know you can already move a little bit based on what you put on film already.

Speaker 1 So it really shouldn't have been no surprise to nobody when you was at what you when you went out there and did what you did. Yeah.
Listen,

Speaker 1 I got one thing. At 464 pounds, you think that's right? You, you think they got your weight right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. It was.
Yeah. You know,

Speaker 1 I still got a process. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I definitely didn't lose weight. I feel like my outlook or the outlook of like, you know, my supporters and my fans and stuff like that isn't the same as scouts.

Speaker 1 So, you know, they got a, they got a number set for me that I got to get to.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, in order for me to be successful in the league and get to the league at that, I got to get to that number. Now, now, I always thought about this.
They always tell you what you

Speaker 1 how much you need the way and what you need to do with your body how do you feel best how do you feel you can play at your best is it is it being a little lighter is it being a little heavy well what do you what do you think um i don't know i think i think losing weight you know it definitely put me in a better spot for sure right right but i think you know i can play but at the same time i want to i want to do something if i get there so right being being lighter helped me you know what i mean

Speaker 1 okay i heard i don't know if it's true uh were you at one point in time almost close to 500 and you've lost like 30 40 pounds haven't you? Yeah, close to it. Close to it.
I ain't never touched it, but

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 that because I think the thing is right now, they're looking at you as a two-down player, first and second down. You stop the run, make sure, hey, your linebackers stay clean, they float to the ball.

Speaker 1 Hey, but hey, y'all talk about taking up all these blocks. I've tried to eat too.
I'm trying to make me some tacklers.

Speaker 1 Y'all talking about holding center of this guard and keeping from getting up on the linebacker. Bro, I need to eat.
I need to eat.

Speaker 1 But I saw you at Florida also. They gave you the ball.
You carried the wrong dance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, uh, that's really not that's not my uh, my thing, you know.

Speaker 1 I usually don't like to take a spot or stuff like that, but I know, like, since I got there, fans and stuff like that, and then you know, they gave an opportunity.

Speaker 1 I couldn't, I couldn't pass it up, so I had to do that. But see, what if they put you?

Speaker 1 What if the NFL team say, Dev, we're gonna put you, you're gonna be on the one-yard line, and they want you to dot that I they're gonna put you to the eyeball based. I'm doing it

Speaker 1 so, realistic, so realistically, Dance, because for me, honestly, I don't think realistically, I don't really know if getting under 400, but I think you can get down to, say, 420.

Speaker 1 420, and I think that would give you sustainability. Now you can play 25, 30, 30 plays a game.
Is that something realistic? Is that what?

Speaker 1 So what is the goal that you have in mind as far as weight and far as play total that you think that, you know what, I can be at my absolute best if I get this weight and play this many plays?

Speaker 1 I'm not really sure specifically, but I know, you know, like along the process, I'll be able to feel it. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 As far as play total, same thing. You know, I got to feel it.

Speaker 1 I played against Tennessee, which is the fastest offense in the nation all four years. So not, I mean, like,

Speaker 1 that's not really a worry of mine, but at the same time, I know, I guess the lighter I get it, the more I can dominate because that's, that's,

Speaker 1 you know, so I don't know. I'm saying I got to feel it.

Speaker 1 What if the sky tell you? Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead.
My bad. You're taking all my questions, man.
Go ahead. Go ahead, Joe.

Speaker 1 Hey, Dead, Cheddar said, I got a two-part question.

Speaker 1 For one, I want to know how you like Cincinnati. Have you ever been to Cincinnati? How would you like to be part of the Bengals? Now, I'm not trying to tamper nothing.

Speaker 1 I'm just throwing a little birdie out there for you real quick, just in case. You know, I talk to people.
I talk to management. You know, we need a little help on the Demons of Line.

Speaker 1 So I just want to know if you've been to Cincinnati, do you like it? If you don't like it, I can give you a suggestion on where to go once you get drafted.

Speaker 1 I've never been to Cincinnati. You know, I'm from Down South.
I ain't really been too far up unless

Speaker 1 you you seem to travel a little bit. But I don't care who it is.
You know, if anybody's trying to put me in a jersey, you feel me? I'm

Speaker 1 ready for it. Okay, okay.
But I'm telling you, you look good in stripes.

Speaker 1 But my second part of my question was, when it comes to defensive tackles, especially those that are coming out in the draft this year, what do you think it is about you and your game that separates you apart from everybody else and why a team shouldn't want you instead?

Speaker 1 If any other defensive tackles, why should you be off the board first? I feel like I'm the best run stopper there is, you know. Uh, even without outside, you know, I think I got great technique.

Speaker 1 Uh, yes, sir, I pride myself in being the smartest on the B line, or at least knowing knowing the offense and defense that we're going against. Uh,

Speaker 1 I think that's really the biggest thing. I pride myself in being able to take up double teams and stuff like that, and you know, just doing my job.

Speaker 1 I think me being proud of and doing my job is something that would set me apart from most people.

Speaker 1 I like it. You heard that, Mike Brown, Duke Tobin?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Dez, tell me, tell me what you've heard as far as day one, day two, maybe, you know, first three rounds, rounds four through seven. What are you hearing? And

Speaker 1 who's shown the most interest in Desmond Watson? Oh, I did a couple interviews with different teams. Like I say,

Speaker 1 everybody's outlook isn't the same. Like apart from my supporters and stuff like that and compare it to the NFL scouts, you know, I think they all can agree that.

Speaker 1 I got athletic ability and I'm smart enough to do it.

Speaker 1 I got the ability. But like I say, that weight is a lot of concern for a lot of of teams.
So

Speaker 1 depending on how much weight I lose, depending on where I could go. You know what I mean? So

Speaker 1 Dan,

Speaker 1 were you always a big? How much did you wear as a child? Were you always a big kid? Yeah, I was always a big kid. But the crazy thing is, I'm the only big one in my family.

Speaker 1 I come from a family of receivers, running backs. Damn, damn.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think it was just destined for me to play interior.
Everybody else had all the highlight plays and stuff like that. Like my older brother, 5'9, 165.
You know what I mean? So serious?

Speaker 1 I'm bad. Serious.
serious. That is dope.
That's dope. That's live.
That's live.

Speaker 1 So, I did. You said, as long as somebody's going to give you a jersey, going to give you the opportunity to live out your childhood dream, which is play in the National Football League.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about what that moment will mean when you get that call? And is somebody to pick up the phone and say,

Speaker 1 May I speak to Desmond? Like, yeah, this is Desmond. We're going to select, we're going to select you with the next pick in whatever round that is.

Speaker 1 Have you thought about what that moment is going to feel like and how are you going to handle that moment? How are you going to respond in that moment? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it'll mean a lot, but I think in my situation, it still would be more time before I could celebrate it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Because I think getting an invite to a camper or something like that, or getting a call from a team, definitely wouldn't be the end for me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 It's going to be more. I got to make a team.
I got to, you know, get to that 53 and then make a play. I think my first tackle.

Speaker 1 or something like that in the NFL mean a lot more to me than the car would.

Speaker 1 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 1 Let Let me ask you this, Dance. So, have you hired a nutritionist? So, what are your steps that you're looking to undertake to make sure you get to that weight?

Speaker 1 Maybe it's not a number that a team has set. Maybe it's a number that Desmond has set for himself.

Speaker 1 Have you hired a nutritionist? And what are the steps that you're going to take to make sure you get to that number? Yeah, I was trained down in Miami, had nutrition and stuff like that. But

Speaker 1 after Pro Day, me and my agent have been talking. I get back to work tomorrow, actually, in Tampa.

Speaker 1 All that type of stuff. You know, nutritionist, working out, different type of, different types of workshop, workout, therapy, all type of things, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 My goal is to play in the NFL and stuff like that. And I know what it takes to do that.
So me and my family, my agent, we're all hands-on trying to get that, get it on goal.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, whatever that goal may be, now we don't have to talk about this online.

Speaker 1 Now, my resume, it speaks for itself as far as being a nutritionist and being able to provide all the necessary nutrients that you need to either gain or lose weight.

Speaker 1 So if you want to get in contact with me, it's a way to reach me and I can be down in Tampa tomorrow. Yeah, I heard about your meal plan.
That's how I got like this in the first place. So

Speaker 1 yeah, Dez, don't you follow with that foolishness? Can't do it.

Speaker 1 You've been here the other way, Dan. You be here the other way.
Dan, let me ask you a question. When you was running, what did you think? Did you think you could break six seconds?

Speaker 1 So in training, did you break six seconds into 40? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 maybe like a week or two before before that, I got five, high, five, seven or something like that. I knew I was gonna break it.
I feel like we didn't have a lot of time to warm up.

Speaker 1 Stuff started locking up on me a little bit.

Speaker 1 I definitely could have got a little bit better. Hey, Dan, I don't know if you saw the game, but did you see the game when I think Baltimore played Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 And Pierce got that interception and he was about to take it to the house and he took a knee. Dan, you ain't gonna do that.
You could have picked. You're going to the house, ain't it?

Speaker 1 In that situation, you got to take a knee. My coach, my cool.

Speaker 1 Take it to the

Speaker 1 I can't do it. I don't know how to hold the ball.
I know how to talk to people. I don't know how to hold the ball.

Speaker 1 Dead, you just put up on their arm and put one hand up in there.

Speaker 1 It sounds useful. People going for your knees, you ain't thinking about holding the ball.
Dude, you have to. Yeah, he had a clear path.
You're supposed to hit that prime time.

Speaker 1 Put your hand behind your head, dad, start high-skipping on it. I was 21, but I ain't not.
You know, hey, hey,

Speaker 1 I got a question, and this would be a good one.

Speaker 1 As a defensive tackle yourself, I want you to rank your all-time five greatest defensive tackles

Speaker 1 that you like or you enjoy watching, and maybe that you model your game after,

Speaker 1 or you watch Simone. Just who do you think are your top five all-time defensive tackles?

Speaker 1 Uh, all Tom, Warren Shop.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a good one. These are not people I model my game after, you know.
I feel like I'm a little bit different. Uh, Aaron, right, right, right, of course.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 Chris Jones up there. Oh, he's nice.
Um,

Speaker 1 All time.

Speaker 1 It doesn't have to be all time. Just your five friends.
You can take Dan Washington. Dex Lawrence in there.

Speaker 1 For sure. Dex? Yes.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 before it's over with. And of course, I like to watch a lot.
And all of my game out there is Vita Ver.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, you know what? Now you like Vita Ver. Now you know Vita Eat McDonald's.
Now I'm just throwing that out there. I'm just telling you.

Speaker 1 Vita Ver get like 70 M's right now. I can't do it.

Speaker 1 Hey, tell me, hey, hey, Daz, when you get that second contract, you can treat yourself to some McDonald's, but that first contract

Speaker 1 is chicken breast, fish, lean cuts, and turkey and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I got you. I like it.
Hey, you know what? Some team might get you, Daz, just to stop that tush push.

Speaker 1 You stop the tush push? I got to.

Speaker 1 I don't come with this equipment for nothing.

Speaker 1 You sneaked on me since I've been in college.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you this, Death. You had offers from Alabama, Florida State, Kentucky, Michigan, and Tennessee.

Speaker 1 What made you choose Florida?

Speaker 1 Um, at the time, when I was coming out of high school, uh,

Speaker 1 there was an SC championship. Uh, things were just looking right.
Of course, I'm from Florida too, but things were looking right.

Speaker 1 I think it came down to the wire with Florida, Texan them, and Alabama. Um,

Speaker 1 Texan them,

Speaker 1 I'm not sure why. I just don't, I didn't think they valued me as much as Florida.
Um, and then with that being close to home, I feel like it wasn't, wasn't a better choice.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So you want to stay close to home, you're in Florida, you're a Florida kid. So, how so? You, you from Tampa, so Tampa to Gainesville, what's that? An hour drive, 90 minutes?

Speaker 1 Hour 30. Okay.
Oh, that's close. That's real close.

Speaker 1 Hey, so you're going into the draft next year. I'm excuse me.
We're going to the draft this year.

Speaker 1 Now, you know, I do the rate, the Madden ratings for Madden.

Speaker 1 So at the combine, you did the bench press 225. You did it 38 times.

Speaker 1 I did mine 37 when I was at the combine. What would you want your strength to be? So I can go ahead and jot it down now

Speaker 1 on Madden. Top, top three.

Speaker 1 Top three? I ain't gonna say 99, but top three. I'm up there.
Okay. So I made it like a 96.
I'm gonna make you 97. I'll take that.
Yeah, I got you. I got you.
So your strength is going to be a 97.

Speaker 1 What about your overall rating?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I need to be a run stopper to whatever it is.

Speaker 1 I need to have some run stopping abilities okay i got you i got you i'm gonna put that i'm gonna do that myself in the system if i get fired it is what it is

Speaker 1 dance we're gonna get you out of here on this one the skaters made the hey made it to the final four they take it all for sure did that that last game was the the the worst game y'all gonna see that was it and they quoted it off so you know they gotta they get it all the way den you who you hooped too dance i did when i was younger but uh i think eighth grade when i stopped I can, though.

Speaker 1 You call you got skills like that? Yeah. I told you, I come from family receivers and running backs.

Speaker 1 This footwork is in me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 Man, congratulations to all the best, Dez. Thank you for joining us for a couple of minutes, giving us a couple of minutes of your time.
We wish you the best of luck.

Speaker 1 And when you get drafted, come back and holler at your favorite unknown, your favorite number 85. I appreciate y'all.
Hey, don't forget me about that. Don't forget me, Dez, by the nutritionist job.

Speaker 1 For sure, I got you.

Speaker 1 Block him, Dez. Block him.

Speaker 1 Appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Hey, that was dope. I like that.

Speaker 1 I like that. Everybody see you.
Come on. Everybody wants to see you.
Come on. Titus.

Speaker 1 Everybody wants to see what you've been doing.

Speaker 1 Yes, I see. Titus, look at the camera.

Speaker 1 Titus.

Speaker 1 Like, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you called me? You called me?

Speaker 1 Ocho, Arizona wide receiver. How you say that name? Tedoroa McMillan?

Speaker 1 Ocho says he doesn't watch football and doesn't watch, doesn't like watching game film. I don't like watching game film either.
I don't ever watch it.

Speaker 1 By myself because we go over film as a receiver group. Ocho, is this a big deal or no?

Speaker 1 You know, I don't think it's a big deal because... Oh, Lord, have mercy on Joe.
You asked me a question, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, you asked me it's a big deal. I don't think it's a big deal.
What does he do once you turn the film on? Him, specifically, from an individual standpoint.

Speaker 1 So watching film is not a big deal.

Speaker 1 Answer what I just said. When you turn the film on and it's time for him to play, what does he do on the field regardless of him not watching film? Does he show up and play?

Speaker 1 is he productive in what he does okay i'm

Speaker 1 asking you i know a guy had that same thing jamarcus russell how did that work out for him i don't know i don't know about jamarcus you do know about jamarcus russell he was the double one overall pick we not talk about jamarcus we talk about him this ocho so this man ain't got to watch no film yeah you got to watch film you asked me is it a big deal I said, no, it's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 If you're a producer, you get your ass on the field.

Speaker 1 How you going to get mad at my goddamn answer? because you're saying stuff ocho you saying watching film for a receiver is not a big deal

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 he says he doesn't watch it by himself but he watches it collectively as a group you know in order to be great you gotta watch it on your own

Speaker 1 so just watch it just so just what so just watching it as a group at at the team think that's good enough i'm just gonna make sure this clarification listen that's him i know what i did oh ocho that's what we're asking you.

Speaker 1 You were the pro bowler. You're saying it's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 Oh, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me, let me ask you something real quick.
So, watching the film by yourself, right? Yes. Stay with me, real quick.
Stay with me. You know what you're looking at?

Speaker 1 You're looking at DBs, looking at defense. Yes.

Speaker 1 Did they free take? No. Do they press bail? What do they do? Outside, inside? Yes.
I'm watching all that. Yes.
All that good stuff. Yes.

Speaker 1 Now, me, you on the same page, right? Let's say he doesn't watch it as an individual, but he watches it at a group. He watches it as a group.

Speaker 1 Once he gets to the next level and he gets out and does what he's supposed to do without watching it individually, is it still a bad thing? I don't believe it. He's still productive.

Speaker 1 Is it still a bad thing? I don't believe. I meet him.
He personally. Oh, you don't think he can get it done because he doesn't watch film by the way? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 There have been guys that watch film and can't get it done. I just ignore.

Speaker 1 So I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying it's the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does at certain down and distance.

Speaker 1 Because everybody, so because I've got to watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me, I need to know it down the distance area of the field, how that guy's going to play because he's going to play.

Speaker 1 Hey, is he going to play the sticks? Is he press bell? Does he, you know, is he clueing? I need to know all that. If I'm not watching Tate,

Speaker 1 it's just hard for me. It's just hard for me to believe.

Speaker 1 Now, he could he could be that immensely talented that you say you know what i'm just gonna show up but i don't know i haven't heard any receiver that's worth anything that says nah you know i'm good i because you got to do it on your own you got to

Speaker 1 have to and you know when i think about it now i'm i'm i'm only i'm only speaking because when he said he says he didn't say he doesn't watch it at all he said he watched it as a group now that's one thing now him not doing it individually i mean that that that's on him but he was very productive in what he did and when you turn on the film he said i don't ever need to watch it by myself he this is what he said yeah i don't like watching film either i don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over it film as a receiver group group collectively yeah see yeah that that's that's that's that's that's different

Speaker 1 my my reason for watching film individually is I had no choice.

Speaker 1 Despite the entertainment, the jokes, and the laughter, and the celebrations, I was a student of the game. I studied film just like the quarterback.
You wanted to be good, Ocho.

Speaker 1 You wanted to be great.

Speaker 1 Oh, great. And you realize that's what it took in order to be great.

Speaker 1 You realize that just your God-given ability wasn't going to beat him up. Now, that might have gotten you to that point,

Speaker 1 but what's going to take me to the next level when every other receiver is just as talented as I, yes, sir? You're right. And so,

Speaker 1 but Ocho,

Speaker 1 a better point:

Speaker 1 Everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud. Okay.
Some things you just keep to yourself.

Speaker 1 I want you to tell me what you learned them 32 NFL teams thinking.

Speaker 1 You're right.

Speaker 1 But that's what I don't get, Ocho. I don't get because you know how teams feel.
Remember what they put, if it wasn't a big deal, why did they put that clause in Kyler Murray's contract? Kylie Murray

Speaker 1 about gaming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 would you why would you ever say this publicly when you're about to get oh yo somebody's about to get you going on a job interview and you tell the people i don't really like coming on time oh

Speaker 1 why would you ever tell the people that's interviewing you for a job that get the job first first yeah and then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time yeah i'm not gonna test you hey yeah you're right but one hey one thing one thing about young bull you know they they they they uh they interviewing him for a reason.

Speaker 1 They talking to him for a reason. If you watch him, if you watch him on film, you watch him on tape, oh, he's going to get drafted somewhere.

Speaker 1 Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they're going to fix that. That ain't no problem.

Speaker 1 Because once you get drafted, wherever you go, they're going to teach you

Speaker 1 and let you know, in order to be great, in order to make this 53-man roster, you're going to have to be watching film.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to, because there's a whole different ball game of one percenters once you do make it.

Speaker 1 The things you were able to get away with in college, you won't be able to get away with at the next level. You won't be able to.
And one of the edges that you need is up here, upstairs. Yes.

Speaker 1 Because you need to know what the DB is thinking about doing

Speaker 1 before he does. Yeah.
So, oh, bro, I know this down the distance. I've seen you too many times before.
And I know what's playing this technique. Yeah.
I already know what you're going to do.

Speaker 1 This is what you always do. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 There are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments.

Speaker 1 Ocho, why would you, Ocho, you three, what is it, three weeks through the draft is what, a little less than, a little less than a month away. Right.
Ocho, why would you ever say this? Yeah, listen,

Speaker 1 I don't know. It's something I would have kept to myself.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I wouldn't say anything like that, but I'm also someone that loves, loves watching film. I love it.
I just love it. I love watching DBs.

Speaker 1 I love watching the safety and then seeing what they're doing based on down and distance. So I was, I had no choice.

Speaker 1 I talked too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before it come.
I got to.

Speaker 1 That's the edge I needed. I wasn't physically imposing, you know? So my one edge was, I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else.
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 I got to be able to beat you up here.

Speaker 1 And I'm not even viewed as one of those, one of those type of players that was a student of the game. I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun.

Speaker 1 Man, you don't understand the work i had to put in throughout the week to be able to pull off the stuff i was pulling off the guys

Speaker 1 man stop playing the guys are too good ocho way the guys are too because you gotta and i want to tell people everybody at some point in time was an all-state all conference all-american all this all that What's going to set you apart?

Speaker 1 Now, guaranteed, I'm just saying, Ocho, just because you are all this, all that,

Speaker 1 that doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. Just because you study film doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you need every advantage that you possibly can get because this is a game of inches.

Speaker 1 You being open like you was open in college, that ish ain't going to happen.

Speaker 1 Unless it's a busted coverage, it ain't happening. Yes.
Yes.

Speaker 1 So this notion that, you know what, hey, I'm so gifted. And you know what? A lot of the DBs that you probably went against, they might not be playing on Sunday.
On Sundays.

Speaker 1 But the guys you're about to go against, all of them are going to play on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Every last one of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm just a firm believer, Ocho, especially. And you know how this, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 Those 33 general managers, those head coaches, I want you to tell the people at home what you think they're thinking. Do they forget what me and you think is a big deal?

Speaker 1 Do you think general managers and coaches, do you think they think it's a big deal?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, know they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right they want you to do everything right all the things necessary as far as preparation and being ready

Speaker 1 not just for game day but just for practice

Speaker 1 how well do you know how well do you know your opponent yeah there's only one way to do that that's through film study but again you know you know what happened i think it's gonna be a gym

Speaker 1 where wherever he fall to It's going to be a gym. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft or maybe something like this,

Speaker 1 if he does fall in the draft, it might be a team. I hope he falls us because we can use him.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 at the end of the day, it's something I wouldn't have said. It's something you wouldn't have said.
You live and you learn.

Speaker 1 You live and you learn. And he'll become a little bit more media savvy with the way he conducts himself when it comes to answering questions.

Speaker 1 I don't get why you would ever put something that was going to in every stretch of the imagination. That's like a defense or offensive lineman saying, I don't like lifting weights.

Speaker 1 How?

Speaker 1 Fool them.

Speaker 1 That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 These kids just like say anything. And what has happened is that in today's society, oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job.
How that work, Ocho?

Speaker 1 You hear people all the time, why I can't beat me because that's not your job. You not paying you.

Speaker 1 When you work for your own self, me, if I want to show up late, oh, Joe, yeah, I could. I own the company.
But how is that going to look?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 You have to set the example.

Speaker 1 I have a level of expectation. Be on time.
I don't have a whole lot of rules. Just be on time.
That's really the only rule that I have.

Speaker 1 I got a great one too. Let me think about this now.
If I'm not mistaken, after Patrick Mahomes' second year, was it a second year he said he didn't watch film? No. It was still great.

Speaker 1 He said he didn't understand what he was looking at. What he was looking at, okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, hey, hey, wait, that's the same goddamn thing. You watching it, but don't understand what the hell you watching, but you're still going out there cutting the food.

Speaker 1 It wasn't until, like, because he was, the first year he didn't start.

Speaker 1 It wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says, okay, look at this. Yeah.
This is going to be your keys. Because a lot of the, oh, yo, me, I went to an HBCU.

Speaker 1 I didn't know, hey, we ain't watching no film. I ain't gonna lie, right?

Speaker 1 Why don't you film

Speaker 1 because in black college? It's that's why if you get a corner out of black college, he normally that's why they used to go to black college and get them because what could they play?

Speaker 1 Man coverage, it wasn't no cover two, it wasn't none of that stuff, it was man,

Speaker 1 lock up, oh man, lock up, yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 So, me, I would beat man coverage, so oh, you're they go out there and run his own, hell, I'm booking it.

Speaker 1 No, no, son, no, no, son, stop.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. He ain't got me.

Speaker 1 That's funny. Then I started now, all of a sudden, Ocho, I'm like, oh, man, I like this.
Oh, this is cheating. You give me the answer to the test.
Right.

Speaker 1 I know you're going to run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me.

Speaker 1 But for the most part, you're going to be true to who you are. Always.

Speaker 1 I mean, every once in a while, I was just watching a deer on on ig with eating a with eating a rabbit oh a deer yeah

Speaker 1 deers don't even eat rabbits or see

Speaker 1 every once in a while he show you something you hadn't seen before so i'm saying the cover once in a while or choose you're gonna show me a coverage i ain't seen before right hey that might have been ai you was watching too no that wasn't ai

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, animals get hungry enough just like you. You get hungry enough, you eat whatever.

Speaker 1 i eat whatever when i'm not hungry but go ahead we already know you eat whatever

Speaker 1 but i i i don't i like i just said chat it's just me i just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly everything that you think people can think of a thought is not a crime a thought is not anything bad it's the act it's the once you say it Why would you say that publicly and you're less than a month away from the draft?

Speaker 1 So what do you think the people that's drafting you and looking to put millions of dollars in your pocket?

Speaker 1 Nah, man.

Speaker 1 I can't.

Speaker 1 That's just like, hey, there are some,

Speaker 1 there are some people that's naturally gifted that, you know, didn't have to study for tests and

Speaker 1 they were good at it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But guess what?

Speaker 1 Them numbers of them words on the page ain't moving.

Speaker 1 when them guys try to put their hand around your neck and choke you choke your ass out

Speaker 1 now you know now you know he's gonna get tested now you cut first of all you're a first-round pick we got to test you regardless oh yeah because i gotta see what's all the hype about i need to see why you why you're a first-round pick i need to see absolutely

Speaker 1 i got to see Whatever you come in with your resume, Heisman, Balitnikov, Thorpe, Nagurski, outlin

Speaker 1 i don't know what you want but if you got one of them awards if you a first round pick you a high draft pick let me see what they talk about man

Speaker 1 oh we're gonna put you to the test on your you know that every time

Speaker 1 we're gonna put you to the test hey especially when everybody comes together is it uh minicam no otas otas yeah yeah otas you know they they're gonna have a draft so probably like the first week in may yeah you got rookie minicamp be just all rookies it might just be a rookie minicamp yeah it's always rookie rookie camp you know that rookie and first-year players, not the, you know, not the high draft pick, but the guys that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad, because you know, there are a couple of guys that was on the practice squad, Ocho, right?

Speaker 1 They didn't get a whole lot of play in time. Those would be the guys that are required to be in.

Speaker 1 Uh, all the draft picks, the undrafted free agents that they brought in, they're gonna bring some undrafted players in to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad.

Speaker 1 Right. Uh,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 I don't know why he said that, bro.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn. But, bro, I wish you the best.
I can't do nothing but wish you the best. If that's your MO, and it's gotten you that far,

Speaker 1 hey. Listen, it's gotten him this far.
It's going to change, though. He'll understand that.
They'll explain that to him. And I don't think it will really, I don't think it will hurt in draft stock.

Speaker 1 Because if they want him bad, if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they've seen on film during his collegiate career, They get him in there and fix the situation.

Speaker 1 Now, if you're coming here, you're not going to do this. This is what you're not going to do when you come here.

Speaker 1 Your best players are your hardest workers.

Speaker 1 That's why you, that's when you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a LeBron, you get a Brady, you get a Peyton Manning, you get an Adrian Peterson, you get a Ray Lewis.

Speaker 1 You get that's what you get. Yeah, you get a Jamar Chase, that's what you get.

Speaker 1 Guys that are immensely talented,

Speaker 1 work extremely hard,

Speaker 1 go the extra mile to be great because it's just not good enough. I don't want to be good.
I want to be great. Yeah, I'm trying to be transcendent and historically great.

Speaker 1 Because when I'm done,

Speaker 1 I want you to talk about me.

Speaker 1 When I'm done, I want you to say, This guy, you know who this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 This guy reminds me of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White or Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 That's what you want.

Speaker 1 Let me say, some guys, hey, I played in the NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years, Goo made me a nice salary.
Gabby Boo, I did what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 It all depends on the individual. What do you want your legacy to be in a given sport?

Speaker 1 I mean, some people, Ocho, you know, some people, just like anything, some people find. Hey, being on the job, collecting a check, that's it.
Hey, I'm going to work in the same position.

Speaker 1 I don't want to move up because more responsibility comes when you move up. Oh, Joe.
I like this right here.

Speaker 1 I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home. Yeah,

Speaker 1 nah, hell no.

Speaker 1 That ain't me.

Speaker 1 Oh, Joe, Tyreek Hill and Miami Dolphins seemingly patched things up after a rough ending to the season, but he posted some cryptic emojis in response to trade speculation.

Speaker 1 Reek posted a handful of cryptic posts responding to trade speculation.

Speaker 1 Peace sign.

Speaker 1 Why doesn't he just officially ask for trade? You think Tyreek is happy in Miami? I mean,

Speaker 1 I would think so. I think he's happy with the weather.

Speaker 1 I think he's happy with no taxes. I don't think he's happy with his quarterback situation.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, that's a tough one. That's a tough one.
Because didn't Tyreek just leave the NFL? What? Not just what? Two years ago? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, with the same quarterback, right? Yes. Same quarterback.
So it shouldn't be any issues. It shouldn't be any issues.

Speaker 1 But what's been the issue with the quarterback? Oh, he's been injured.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 I see what you're saying.

Speaker 1 That's tough. That's tough.
I'm not sure how Tyreek is feeling. I've talked to him on numerous occasions, but I like to stay away from stuff like that, especially seeing dudes

Speaker 1 in the offseason.

Speaker 1 I know know they don't want to run no football. They got to do that

Speaker 1 all the goddamn time. So

Speaker 1 I think for me, the situation is good.

Speaker 1 I would love to be in Miami. I would love to be in Miami and

Speaker 1 hope that Tua can stay upright, you know, this upcoming year. He can stay healthy.
And

Speaker 1 we know what... Tua can do with Tyreek and Waddle if he's upright and healthy.
And

Speaker 1 that's been the main issue. It's hard, Ocho, when the quarterback is injured frequently and getting timing with a quarterback.
You got one week. So I got three weeks with Tyree.
I got three weeks with

Speaker 1 Tua. Then I got a week, maybe two weeks with another guy.
Then I got seven weeks with Tua. Then I got another two, three weeks.
Ocho, it's hard. You know, it's hard to build chemistry

Speaker 1 with, you know, think about what it took for you to get on the same page with Carson. Carson, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't care what you, you're not going to get on that same page because because you and Carson, y'all, there was a look that you could give Carson to Carson to give you.

Speaker 1 And we knew what we knew what to do.

Speaker 1 We knew what to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's different from years and years of practice, being in the game. He understands that you run certain route the way you, oh, oh, you're leaning.
He about to break. I'm going to throw it.

Speaker 1 But I, because I know he about to break. I know he about to snap this off.
Oh, oh, I see it. He about to cover.
He about to put that foot in the dirt. He about to come right back to me.

Speaker 1 There are certain things, and you know, oh, he finna throw this ball oh this cover oh yeah i'm getting this one you already oh i'm getting this one i don't care what was called i'm getting this ball

Speaker 1 i'm getting this ball oh he throwing to me

Speaker 1 uh david fisher said fans nation would be oak would be open to trading tyreek tyreek smile uh

Speaker 1 probably tyree hill said something and he gave you the both he gave peace sign well listen you know these speculations and these rumors you know they always come from somewhere, right? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They always come from somewhere. It's so funny, the draft ain't too long, ain't too far away.

Speaker 1 So do you think it's possible we might see a trade of some sort on draft day or maybe after and moving Reek somewhere else?

Speaker 1 I believe it happens. Oh, Joe, if it's going to happen, I believe it happens on draft day.
I don't believe it happens after the draft because then what? Because you want the draft compensation.

Speaker 1 You want to be able to pick the, you know, I want to be able to go in the draft and get somebody.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it's going to be multiple picks, maybe this year, a second or a third, or whatever the case may be, and even next year. But I want to get some of the compensation this year.
Right.

Speaker 1 So if it's going to happen, it's going to happen probably right before the draft or during the draft. I mean, hypothetically speaking, where would be a great place for Tyreek to go?

Speaker 1 Back to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Back to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 That's what you just said? Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah, you asked me what's a great place for him to go.
Look, Look, Tyreek, look, with Tyreek skill set, every

Speaker 1 place is a great fit. Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely. All you got to do is know how to use them the right way.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Know how to use them the right way. And boy, all hell is going to break loose.
Hocho. He likes leggings.
He fit. Hey, it don't matter.
That big leggings.

Speaker 1 Skinny, medium, large, headstone large. It don't matter.
Leggings fit. Yeah, it don't matter.

Speaker 1 He can go anywhere and fit. Right.
Right.

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