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The Signal Awards came in.

This one is we won for the 2024 gold winner,

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That was one. The second one.
This one is 2024 Gold Winner Club Shea Shea Athlete Shaping Culture, Shea Shea Media. Thank you, guys.
I know all of you guys probably aren't subscribed to Club Shea Shea, but I wanted to thank each and every one of you guys that, that watch Club Shea Shea, that subscribe to Club Shea Shea, that Twitter, that follow that, that, that share or talk about Club Shea Shea, because without you, none of this is possible. So I want to thank you because I realized, although I am the face of Club Shea Shea, there are so many people behind the scenes that make, make sure Shea Shea Media is on point.
Ocho, I know you guys, they've seen the graphics where each state that we're

going to, we got a different graphic. We got

LA, we did Friday, we got

going to Charlotte, we got Talladega

Knights, we going to Philly

and we got the Rocky theme. So

there's a lot of people, CJ

and his crew, that pink

there, that make Club SheShe work

and do what it does. So I want to thank

you guys so very, very much for making this

possible because without you, none of this could be possible. So thank you again very much.
Thank you for the Signal Awards. Thank you, everybody that voted for Club Shea Shea to win these awards.
Next year, hopefully we get nominated for a nightcap, Ocho, and we bring some gold headphones home for Club She-She. Yeah, most definitely.
I'm sure it's going to happen. But until that time does come, I would like one of those also to put in my game room.
Actually, just two of them. I'm sure.
I'm sure. I know you're the face of Club She-She of Club Shea Shea, but without, without me, you're pardoning, you're pardoning crime, just, I don't, I don't think things will be possible.
So when I take on vacation, you want to do, you want to be the host of Club Shea Shea? That's fine, that's fine, listen, I can, I can, listen, I can turn the switch on, I can turn the switch on when necessary, so if you need me, when you take a vacation, I can fill in for you and do that. But until that time comes, I'm going to need two of those go-ahead phones to go in my gaming room too as well.
I don't know, Ocho. Signal, you might want to calm down with Signal.
You see what's going on with Signal. They're getting some very, very top secret information scrolled across Signal.
Oh, you don't worry about it.

You haven't heard of it.

Wait, talk to them.

What happened?

Nah, it's political.

And there was some information

about the targeted attacks,

the Houthis.

But anyway, somebody got that information

that wasn't supposed to have it.

So Signal didn't do anything.

I think it was a situation where someone got a little careless and that's what happened. But yeah, thank you, everybody.
That's a part of this that made this possible. Thank you, team Pink, dear CJ and that staff.
Jordan from behind the scenes, the booking, because a lot of this has to do with booking that goes into it. Obviously, you know, sometimes I have to close the deal by DM and people, but for the bookers, you guys have done an unbelievable job.
So thank you very much. Uh, we could not have done this, but at the end of the day, we couldn't have done this without the viewers, without the listeners, but other subscribers.
So thank you very, very much. Oh, Joe, half of the women's final four is set.
Number one seed, the South Carolina Lady Gamecocks and the UCLA Lady Bruins punched their tickets to Tampa, Florida today. Two remaining spots remain.
The TCU Lady Horned Frogs takes on the Texas. No, TCU, excuse me.
The TCU Lady Horned Frogs takes on the Texas Lady Longhorns. UConn, the Lady Huskies, takes on the USC

Lady Trojans minus

Juju. Great matchups.

Could we get all

four number one seeds? That

might be the first time that will ever happen, right?

Four number one seeds in the men's side go.

Four number one seeds in the women's side go

in the same year.

I think that would probably be the first time.

I think if we're going to get an upset, we'll probably be TCU. But UConn could possibly spring the upset.
But man, Paige Buckets, she was sensational. She was sensational the other night.
She went on a 19-0 run by herself. Normally you see a team go on a run, they go on 10, 15, 20 point runs.

There's a lot of scoring going on.

She

went on a 19-0 run

by herself.

So she seems

to be peaking at the right time.

Seems like everything is going

their way, but I can't wait to see.

Like I said, the Lady Gamecocks

and the Lady Trojanans, Bruins,

they're there. They're waiting

on someone. Who will it be?

Will it be the Lady Horned Frog

or the Lady Longhorns, the Lady Huskies

or the Lady Trojans?

Tomorrow night,

today, the Lady Gamecocks took down

the number two seed, Duke,

Lady Blue Devils, Coach

Don Staley. It's our fifth straight Final Four appearance.
The Bruins beat LSU to deny them another Final Four appearance. If I'm not mistaken, I think this is the Bruins.
This is their first Final Four in history of the basketball, the ladies' basketball program. Now,'re strong.
It used to be strong in ladies softball, lady volleyball. They were tremendous.
When they had Lisa Fernandez, they got this thing started. They were really, really good in softball.
No, they were really good. They were great in softball.
Right. But right now, for them to now flip the script and be good in basketball, ladies basketball, that's very, very good.

They've come a long way.

Ocho, we have some very interesting sounds from the LSU Tigers head coach, Kim Mulkey.

Let's take a listen to what she had to say.

Jaden Smith, KLSU Sports.

Coach, it's the second straight year you guys get eliminated in the Elite Eight.

Terrible.

Yeah.

Is that terrible or is that good?

Terrible.

Is it?

How many Final Fours you playing?

None.

Oh, Lord.

Have mercy.

So it's probably pretty good, huh?

Yeah.

All right.

Really?

Oh.

Ocho, really?

Yeah.

But listen, you got to be careful with the question

and when you were, the delivery and what you asked asking, especially after a game like that and being eliminated. Yes.
Now, you know what they tell players? You know what they tell players after a game? Right. Take your time and cool down.
Come to your senses before you answer any questions. She was still, she just lost the game.
I get it. So you have to understand why she was feeling the way she felt and why she answered the question.
She's not a thousand and O. Has she not lost the game before? Yeah.
I mean, Coach O, it wasn't, he didn't even get a chance to finish the question. He's asking, Coach, this is the second time you've been eliminated.
And for you to snap back and say, well, how many Final Fours have you been to? I mean, I understand. Listen, I totally understand where you're coming from.
As a journalist, as an analyst, excuse me, as a journalist, he has the job to do. He has questions to ask.
To mention, oh, this is the second time you've been eliminated, you have to understand where she's coming from and see it from her perspective. Well, god damn, I just got eliminated.
You let me know it's the second time I got eliminated. I know how many times I've been eliminated.
Just how about word the question differently and you wouldn't get the response you got. How would you have worded the question? Coach, it's an unfortunate loss.
You guys have been eliminated and then go on to what you want to say. Mentioning that she's been eliminated twice.
It's totally unnecessary. And it's somewhat of a jab.
And that's the way she took it. Which is why.
Excuse me. I'm talking too damn fast.
Which is why she answered it the way she did. She was snappy.
Based on the way the question was answered. You change the way you ask it.
You change the delivery. I guarantee your answer is different.
I don't think so. That's all I'm saying.
I don't believe so. Kim Mulkey has been nasty for a very long time and she's gotten away with this type of behavior because she is a national champion winning coach.
Oh, so she has a history of doing this. She has a history of doing this.
The same thing with Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight had a history of their behavior, but because he was a national champion winning coach, you excuse said behavior.
Remember, people excuse behavior if you win, if they like you. Kim Bunky has been nasty for an extremely long period of time.
If this is unacceptable for an athlete to say, well, how many times have you caught a pass in the NFL? How many times have you scored a basket in the NBA? How many times have you struck somebody out of the... That would be unacceptable.
This is unacceptable for Kim Mulkey. Right.
Because he phrased the question. Hold on, wait a minute.
Coach, I know you're probably upset. This is the second time, this is the second in back-to-back years you got eliminated.
Considering, you know, she went to the, did she go, oh no. Oh, she went to the Final Four.
Didn't, who put it? Yeah. Yeah, Leigh-Lay, who put it out? Was it Awa? Plus, Ocho, she doesn't have the horses that she once had.
Right, obviously. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, because I remember because they beat them in the national championship and then Awa returned the favor.
She doesn't have me. You lose a double-double machine.
And Angel Reese, she was sensational. No matter what you think about her, she was a double-double machine.
She's going to probably give you 15 and 15. And it was hard to keep Lauren Betts, 6'7", off the glass.
They got a lot of extra points. They got a lot of extra second-chance points.
Gab gabriella haquez was great from the three-point

line she really put the dagger through the heart when they got the rebound they got the kick out right and she uh bent turn around and find her and she she nailed it that was for all intents and purposes that was the end of the game flage was sensational especially the second half they needed more scoring and they couldn't get that other than flage they really didn't have a whole lot. Amaro

is kind of neutralized because Betts

is 6'7". That's a lot

of hype. scoring and they couldn't get that other than Flaugé.
They really didn't have a whole lot.

Amaro's kind of neutralized because Betts is

6'7". That's a lot of height

and so she did a great job. I think

she has six or seven

blocked shots.

But I just look, I get it

Ocho. I get it.

When we're upset,

when emotion is high,

logic is generally low and we say

things and probably

she probably doesn't feel bad

Thank you. I just expect more from a coach.
That's all. 17, 18, 19-year-old kids, yeah, I get it.
But when you've been in this situation for an extended period of time, and you expect your players to behave in a certain manner after the game, I think the coach should set the precedent, should take the example, should lead by example, and set the precedent and say, you know what, hey, you're right. We got to do a better job of playing better earlier.
We got to do a better job of knocking down shots, not turning the ball over. Yes, sir.
Getting some better players. At the end of the day, it comes down to players win.
You know, I can coach them up and put them in the right spot. But hey, that UCLO team, they play really, really good.
There's a reason why they're the number one overall seed. There's a reason why they won the Big Ten championship.
They got an All-American over there. They're a really good basketball team.
So I know we're hurt and disappointed right now that we're not advancing, but we shouldn't hang our heads because we accomplished a lot this year. We'll be back.
We'll be back. Now listen, that answer you just gave, that's awesome.
That would be great for inauguration if you're running for president, but when a woman that just lost and just got sent home and like you said, emotions are running high, that ain't the answer you're going to get. So if one of these coaches, so if Samson, if he says that, if Shire, if he says that, they ask him, well, you got knocked out.
Well, how many final four did you period? Is that going to be okay if a man says that? If a man has said, if a woman asked that very question to a man and he said that, what would be said, Ochoa? Would that be okay? Hey, you know, it's right. No, it wouldn't be okay.
Why not? Wait, let me, let me, let me say something. Okay.
As a male head coach, you know, they probably wouldn't answer the question like that anyway. The response would be completely different.
Even if they had been to Final Four before it got knocked out a second time, the way they answer the question in general, it's just different. It just is.
Now, I'm not saying what she said was right, but I can understand her being goddamn upset. I don't need youucked up listen I don't need you addressing the question towards me letting me know how many times I've been eliminated I know that I just I just got sent home yeah but Ocho that's the fact the more you invest in something the more you invest in something the more it hurts when it doesn't go your way that's why you see a lot of times I was a very emotional player because I know how much I put into it.

So it hurt me and it bothered me when I didn't see God.

And so look,

everybody take losses a different way,

but I was one of those guys considering that I knew how much I put into it,

how much I sacrificed.

It bothered me,

but I also understood I had an obligation.

I had a responsibility because had she won, she'd have been key, key, key. Right, it bothered me.
But I also understood I had an obligation, I had a responsibility,

because had she won, she'd have been kiki-kia.

Right, right, right.

Totally understandable.

Totally, totally, totally, totally, totally understandable.

The height you are when you win,

if you're 6'5", when you win,

you need to be 6'5", when you lose.

Don't go below that, because I see that a lot.

Is that when things go well, everybody wants, hey, you got a kiki now when you lose you short that's it oh you up out of there nah bro it doesn't work like that everybody wants to win everybody can't win you should be gracious in victory and defeat so if you'reisterous in victory, stand up there and take it like a man or woman when you lose. That's all I'm saying, Ocho.
And she's gotten away with this for a long, long time. She has.
And people allow her to do this. It's kind of like, you know, I love Pop, but Pop was basically very disrespectful to reporters on the sideline, to Sagers.
And what do you think? I'm just asking. I'm just trying to do my job.
I'm just trying to do my job. Yeah.
But like I said, when you win, people will excuse a lot of behavior when you win that they wouldn't necessarily tolerate from someone that doesn't win nearly as much. That's my two cents.
That was a good one. Haley Van Liff was sensational.
Becker scored 40 against Oklahoma. I mean, for TCU, not known for women's basketball, they got a good baseball team.
Football teams have been good over the last couple of years. If I was you, I wouldn't say anything about that.
Because I got your 50-yard line seats and you left at the beginning of the third quarter. So I wouldn't say anything about that cause I got your ass 50 yard line

seats and you left at the beginning

of the third quarter so I wouldn't say anything

they were getting blown out huh

Georgia beat them 65 to 7

oh we still made it

oh I would love

to go hey she calling me

I'm like hold on it's really quiet

why where are you oh we're on the way home. But Haley Van Liff, you know, she went to Louisville, and the last time she was at Louisville, I think Texas knocked out in the Sweet 16, right? I think Texas locked when she was at Louisville and they got chippy somebody said something

to her and she like

hand out my face

talking to me

you ain't finna beat me

and lecture me

that's like me Ocho

when I'm getting a ticket

look

you ain't gonna go

give me a ticket

and let me go on my way

or you can lecture me

and not give me no ticket

but you ain't doing both

both yeah

hey that's funny

go ahead Ocho

what you gonna say

no I was getting ready to say I mean the situation the situation you talk about, it was, what do you call it after the game? Were you exchanging? Were you shaking hands? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
I remember that. I remember that.
That went viral. That went viral as well.
And I don't know if it was ever reported what was said. Right.
The Texas.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And she's like, get off me.

I ain't trying to hear all that.

He lost his game.

I'm upset.

See?

But it should be a great game between Texas and TCU.

Mm-hmm. Hey, everything's bigger in Texas.
You got two teams battling out from that state. Only one gets to go to Tampa and play for a national championship.
And then you get Paige Buckets, the UConn Lady Huskies, and they take on the Lady Trojans from USC minus Juju.

Everybody knew this was a collision course.

Everybody knew considering what happened last year.

And we thought it would be just as good, if not better,

because Beckers is a fully healthy Juju's with at the top of her game.

She was a magnifico.

And unfortunately we're not going to get that matchup.

The question is, can, uh, Arafine, uh, can she lead them?

Can she?

Thank you. Magnifico.
And unfortunately, we're not going to get that matchup. The question is, can Arafim, can she lead them? Can she? UConn look really good.
Very. They look really good.
But hey, we're about to find out. We're about to find out if it's going to happen, if she can, if Beckers can.
Because that's the only thing left to do on her resume. She's been player of the year.
She's been an outstanding player. But all the outstanding players that go to UConn, what do they get, Ocho? National championships.
Your Sue Bird, your Rebecca Lobo, your Sue Bird, your Tarazis, your Maya Moores, the Tita Charleses, the Stewies, the Montgomery's, Paige, the only thing that's absent on her resume is a championship. It's a championship.
And that's how you get immortalized there. Look, if she was at another program, Ocho, that's not used to winning national championships,

she might be the best player ever.

Ever!

But when you go to UConn,

or same thing,

a Duke,

when you go to these programs, and they've won, and they've had historically great

players, that's what Juju's up

against. Cheryl Miller,

championships. Cynthia Cooper, that's what you're up against and so now this is her last chance her last chance it's gonna be a tough road now oh yeah for sure it's gonna be tough sledding yeah USC ain't gonna lay down now because they got something to play for lookall they ain't gonna do nothing without they're not gonna do anything without juju juju's averaging 25 points we know she has 25 5 and 6 or whatever the case may be they don't believe people outside of that team and maybe usc fans that they can get it done without her she's one of the two or three best players in college basketball.
That's a huge to take that out. Right.
And then expect to win. But they expect to win.
And that's all that matters. It doesn't matter with the outside world.
We expect to win. We know, we believe, and we played our game.
We have a chance to win this game. And it's going to take an outstanding game.
It's going to take that. Because UConn, they get out there defensively,

and they got a young lady that can take the game over

and shoot you out of the jail.

She can put the ball on the floor.

Now, she's not as physical as Juju was,

but she can stroke it from the three.

She got a nice mid-range game.

She can put it on the floor, go to the free throw line.

She's a very, very good player.

The only thing missing from Paige is resume. She's been an All-American.
She was a player of the free throw line. She's a very, very good player.
The only thing missing from Paige is resume.

She's been an All-American.

She was a player of the year.

Championship.

Championship.

Championships.

Championship.

That's what it comes down to, Ocho.

It is really that simple because that program, you're talking about the program,

you're talking about the most storied programs in women's college basketball.

It's really two. It's Tennessee Tennessee it is you coming Pat Head Summit rest of soul and Geno you don't get any better than that we good to go Ocho look who's joining us he's 6 foot 64 pounds.
He could become the largest draft pick drafted in NFL history. And boy, he had a pro day last week.
He bench-pressed 225 36 times, more than any player did at the Combine earlier this year. He also ran the 40.
And 5'3",39, he broke six seconds at over 460 pounds.

Had a 25-inch vertical jump.

Y'all, let's put some hands together for Florida's outstanding defensive tackle,

Mr. Desmond Watson.

Dad, what's up, Dad?

You can hear me?

Boy, what's up, little fella?

Boy, you good?

What's up, y'all? I'm chilling.

I'm chilling.

Hey, where you at?

Where you at right now?

What state you in?

Thank you. hear me? Boy, what's up, little fella? Boy, you good? What's up? Yeah, I'm good.

I'm chilling.

I'm chilling.

Hey, where you at?

Where you at right now?

What state you in?

I'm in Florida.

Wait, you from the crib?

Yeah, I'm from Tampa.

Oh, boy, I didn't know that.

You in Tampa right now?

Okay, man, I'm coming to see you tomorrow.

We're on chill.

Let me ask you this, Dad.

You got the pro.

You know Florida's having their pro day.

What were you hoping to accomplish, and do you feel you accomplished

that in your pro day?

I think I was just

going there trying to surprise everybody. You know,

I feel like everybody looking my way and stuff

like that, and don't expect me to be able to move around, because

you know, usually people my size can't.

So, I think I was going there trying

to surprise some people, and I think I did.

You definitely did. You definitely surprised some people, because you picking them up and putting them down.
I'm like, well, damn. You can move now.
You can move. Before you go.
Hey, Dad, listen. If the scouts and the people that watch film and watch college football this year, man, and they watch you play, your short-eared quickness is like no other, though.
Your footwork is like no other, though. So they should know you can already move a little bit based on what you put on film already.
So it really shouldn't have been no surprise to nobody when you went out there and did what you did. Listen, I got one thing.
At 464 pounds, you think that's right? You think they got your weight right? Yeah, it was. It was.
I still got a process. I definitely got to lose definitely gonna lose weight I feel like my outlook or the outlook of like you know my supporters and my fans stuff like that isn't the same as scouts so you know they got a they got a number set for me that I got to get to and I think you know in order for me to be successful in the league and get to the league at that I got to get to that number now I always thought about this they always tell you what your how much you need to wear and what you need to do with your body.
How do you feel best? How do you feel you can play at your best? Is it being a little lighter? Is it being a little heavy? What do you think? I don't know. I think losing weight, you know, it definitely put me in a better spot for sure.
Right, right. But I think, you know, I can play, but at the same time, I want to do something if I get there so being lighter will help me you know what I mean I don't know if it's true were you at one point in time almost close to 500 and you've lost like 30-40 pounds haven't you yeah close to it I ain't never touch so that, because I think the thing is right now,

they're looking at you as a two down player.

First and second down,

you stop the run,

make sure,

hey,

your linebackers stay clean,

they flow to the ball.

Hey,

but hey,

y'all talking about taking up all these blocks,

I'm trying to eat too.

I'm trying to make me some tacklers.

Y'all talking about holding center,

this guard,

keeping from getting up on the linebacker.

Bro,

I need to eat.

I need to eat.

So,

yeah,

but I saw you at Florida also, they gave you the ball. You carried the rock, Dez.
Yeah. That's really not, that's not my thing.
You know, I usually don't like to be the spot on that. But I know like since I got there, fans and stuff like that.
And then, you know, Napier gave me the opportunity. I couldn't pass it up.
So I had to do that. But see, what if they put you, what if the NFL team say, Dez, we're going to put you,

you're going to be on the one-yard line, and they want you

to dot that I. They're going to put you in the eye

for a base. I'm doing it.

I'm pushing.

So realistically,

Dez, because for me, honestly,

I don't think realistically, I don't really know

if getting under 400, but I think you can get

down to, say, 420.

420, and I

think that would give you sustainability. Now

I'll see you know, So can be at my absolute best if I get this weight and play this many plays I'm not really sure specifically but I know along the process I'll be able to fill it you know what I'm saying as far as play total same thing you know I gotta fill it I played against Tennessee which is the fastest offense in the nation all four years so I mean like that's not really a worry of mine, but at the same time, I know, I guess the lighter I get,

the more I can dominate, because that's normal.

You know? So, I don't know how to say I got to feel it.

What are the scouts telling you? Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead.

My bad. You taking all my questions, man.

Go ahead. Go ahead.
Do what you think.

Hey, Des, I got a two-part question.

For one, I want to know how you like Cincinnati.

Have you ever been to Cincinnati?

How would you like to be part of the Bengals

now I'm not trying

to tamper nothing

I'm just throwing

a little birdie out there

for you real quick

just in case

you know I talk

I talk to people

I talk to management

you know

we need a little help

on the defensive line

so I just want to know

if you've been to Cincinnati

do you like it

if you don't like it

I can give you

suggesting on where to go

once you get drafted

um

I've never been to Cincinnati

you know I'm from

down south

I ain't really been

too far up

unless

okay okay

we never travel a little bit

but

Thank you. to go once you get drafted? Oh, I've never been to Cincinnati.
You know, I'm from Dallas. I ain't really been too far up unless you may never travel a little bit.
But, I don't care who it is. You know, if anybody's trying to put me in a jersey, you feel me? I'm ready for it.
Okay, okay. Well, I'm telling you, you look good in stripes.
But my second part of my question was, when it comes to defensive tackles, especially those that are coming out in the draft this year, what do you think it is about you and your game that separates you apart from everybody else and why a team shouldn't want you instead of any other defensive tackles? Why should you be off the board first? I feel like I'm the best run-stopper there is. Even with outside, I think I got great technique.
Yes, sir. I pride myself for being the smartest on the D-line, or at least knowing the offense and defense that we're going against.
I think that's really the biggest thing. I pride myself for being able to take up double teams and stuff like that and just doing my job.
I think me being prideful and doing my job is something that would set me apart from most people. I like it.
You heard that Mike Brown, Duke Tobin? Yeah! Yeah. Tell me what you've heard as far as

day one, day two, maybe, you know,

first three rounds, rounds four through

seven. What are you hearing?

And who's shown the most

interest in Desmond Watson?

Oh, I did a couple

interviews with different teams. Like I say,

everybody's outlook isn't the same.

Like, apart from my supporters

and stuff like that, compared to the

NFL scouts, you know, I think they all

I'm sorry. with different teams.
Like I say, everybody's outlook isn't the same. Like, apart from my supporters and stuff like that

and compared to

the NFL scouts,

you know, I think

they all can agree that

I got athletic ability

and I'm smart enough

to do it.

I got the ability,

but like I say,

that weight is a lot

of concern

for a lot of teams.

So,

depending on how much

weight I lose,

depending on where

I could go.

You know what I mean?

So.

Des, were you always a big, how much did you wear as a on where I could go. You know what I mean? Des, were you

always a big... How much did you wear as a child?

Were you always a big kid?

Yeah, I was always a big kid, but the crazy thing is, I'm the

only big one in my family. I come from a family of receivers,

running backs. Damn, damn!

I don't know.

I think it was just desperate for me to play

interior. Everybody else had all the highlight plays

and stuff like that. Like my older brother, 5'9",

165. You know what I mean? So...
Serious? I'm being serious. That's dope.
That's dope. That's live.
That's live. So, you said, as long as somebody is going to give you a jersey, going to give you the opportunity to live out your childhood dream, which is playing the National Football League.
Have you thought about what that moment would mean when you get that call and there's somebody that pick up the phone and say,

may I speak to Desmond?

Like, yeah, they'll see.

Desmond, we're going to select you

with the next pick in whatever round that is.

Have you thought about what that moment

is going to feel like and how are you going to

handle that moment? How are you going to respond in that

moment? Oh, yeah.

I mean, it would mean a lot, but I think in my

situation, it still would

be more time before I could celebrate it.

You know what I mean? Because I think getting an invite

I think it's situation, it still would be more time before I could celebrate it. You know what I mean? Because I think getting an invite to a camper or something like that or getting a call from a team definitely wouldn't be the end for me.
You know what I mean? It's going to be more. I got to make a team.
I got to, you know, get it at 53 and then make a play. I think my first tackle or something like that in the NFL being a lot more to me than the call would.
Wow. Wow.
I like that. Let me ask you this, Des.
So, have you hired a nutritionist? So, what are the steps that you're looking to undertake to make sure you get to that weight? Maybe it's not a number that a team has set. Maybe it's a number that Desmond has set for himself.
Have you hired a nutritionist and what are the steps that you're going to take to make sure you get to that number? I was training down in Miami, had nutrition and stuff like that but after pro day me and my agent were talking, I get back to work tomorrow actually in Tampa all that type of stuff nutritionist, working out, different types of workout, therapy all type of things my goal is playing in the NFL and stuff like that and I know what it takes to do that so me and my family my agent we're all hands on trying to get that get to that goal well listen whatever that goal may be now we don't have this talk about this online now my resume it speaks for itself as far as being a nutritionist and being able to provide all the necessary nutrients that you need to either gain or lose weight so if you want to in contact with me, it's a way to reach me and I can be down in Tampa tomorrow. Yeah.
I heard about your meal plan. That's how I got like this in the first place.
Yeah, Dan. Don't you follow with that foolishness? Can't do it.
You'll be heading the other way, Dan. You'll be heading the other way.
Dan, let me ask you a question. When you was running, did you think you could break six seconds? So in training, did you break six seconds in the 40? Yeah.
I think maybe like a week or two before that, I got high five, seven or something like that. I knew I was going to break it.
I feel like we didn't have a lot of time to warm up. Stuff started locking up on me a little bit.

I definitely could have got a little bit better.

Hey, Dan, I don't know if you saw the game, but did you see the game when I think Baltimore played Pittsburgh?

Oh, yeah.

And Pierce got that interception, and he was about to take it to the house, and he took a knee.

Dan, you ain't going to do that. You could have picked.
You're going to the house, ain't it? In that situation, you got to take a knee.

My cool thought situation was that. Take it to the house.
I can't do it. I don't know how to hold the ball.
I know how to tuck people. I don't know how to hold the ball.
Dan, you just put it up on the arm. And put one hand up in there.
Put it with a piece of paper. How about? It sounds easy.
When people go on for your knees, you ain't thinking about holding the ball. Don't you ever? Yeah.
He had a clear pass. You're supposed to hit that prime time.
Put your head behind your head, dance. Start high-stepping on him.
I want 21, but I ain't not. You know? Hey, I got a question, and this would be a good one.
As a defensive tackle yourself, I want you to rank your all-time five greatest defensive tackles that you like or you enjoy watching and maybe that you model your game after

or you watch

Kim on

just who do you think

are your top five

all time defensive tackles

uh

all time

Warren Sapp

oh that's a good one

these nine people

I model my game after

you know

I feel like

I'm a little bit different

uh Aaron

right right right

of course

um

Chris Jones up there

oh he nice. All time.
It doesn't have to be all time. Just your five friends.
You can take that and watch it. Dex Lawrence in there.
For sure. Dex? Yes.
Okay. Before it's over with.
And of course, I like to watch a lot. And game after is Vita Vez.
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, you know what? Now you like Vita Vez. Now you know Vita eats McDonald's now.
I'm just throwing that at you. I can't do it.
Vita Vez get like 70 M's right now. I can't do it.
Hey, tell me, hey, hey, Dan's, when you get that second contract, you can treat yourself to some McDonald's.

But that first contract is chicken breast, fish, lean cuts of turkey and stuff like that.

Mm-hmm.

I got you.

I like it.

Hey, you know what?

Some team might get you, Dez, just to stop that tush push.

Uh-huh.

You going to stop the tush push?

I got to.

I don't come with this equipment for nothing. you sneak on me since I've been in college let me ask you this Dez you had offers from Alabama Florida State Kentucky Michigan and Tennessee what made you choose Florida um at the time when I was coming out of high school uh there was an SC championship uh things was looking right of course I, too, but things were looking right.
I think it came down to the wire with Florida, Texas A&M, and Alabama. Texas A&M, I'm not sure why.
I didn't think they valued me as much as Florida. With that being close to home, I feel like it wasn't a better choice.
Okay. You wanted to stay close to home.
You was in Florida. You're a Florida kid.
So you're from Tampa. So Tampa to Gainesville, what's that, an hour drive, 90 minutes? Hour 30.
Okay. Oh, that's close.
That's real close. Hey, so you're going into the draft next year.
Excuse me. We're going into the draft this year.
Now, you know I do the Madden ratings for Madden. So at the Combine, you did the bench press 225.
You did it 38 times. I did mine 37 when I was at the Combine.
What would you want your strength to be so I can go ahead and jot it down now on Madden? Top three. Top three? I ain't gonna say 99, but top three.
I'm up there. Okay.
So I made you 97. I'll take that.
Yeah, I got you. I got you.
So your string going to be a 97. What about your overall rating? I don't know.
I need to be a run stopper or whatever it is. I need to have some run stopping abilities.
Okay. I got you.
I got you. I'm going to put that in.
I'm going to do that myself in the system. If I get fired, it is what it is.
Dez, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Your Gators made it to the Final Four.
They taking it all? For sure. That last game was the worst game y'all going to see.
That was it. And they pulled it off.
So, you know, they getting it all the way. Dez, you who? You who to Dez? I did when I was younger.
But I think it's great when I stopped. I can, though.
Dan, you who? You who to this? I did when I was younger,

but I think it's great when I stopped.

I can, though.

Oh, you got skills like that?

Yeah.

I told you I come from family receivers and running backs.

This footwork is in me.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, it is.

Man, congratulations.

All the best, Dan.

Thank you for joining us for a couple of minutes,

giving us a couple of minutes of your time.

We wish you the best of luck.

And when you get drafted,

come back and holler at your favorite uncle,

your favorite number 85.

I appreciate y'all.

Don't forget me,

Dez,

about a nutritionist job.

Sure, I got you.

Block him, Dez.

Block him.

Appreciate you, bro.

Yes, sir.

Hey, that was dope.

I like that.

I like that. Everybody see you.
Come on. Everybody want to see you.
Come on. Titus! Everybody want to see you.
What you been doing? Yes, I see you. Titus, look in the camera.
Titus. Like, whoa, whoa.
Oh, so you called me you call me oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh't think it's a big deal because... Oh, Lord, have mercy on the show.
You asked me a question, right?

Yeah.

Okay, you asked me, it's a big deal.

I don't think it's a big deal.

What does he do once you turn the film on?

Him, specifically, from an individual standpoint.

So watching film is not a big deal?

Answer what I just said.

When you turn the film on and it's time for him to play,

what does he do on the field,

regardless of him not watching film? Does he show up and place? Is he productive at what he does? Okay. I'm asking you.
I know a guy had that same thing, Jamarcus Russell. How did that work out for him? I don't know.
I don't know about Jamarcus Russell. You do know about Jamarcus Russell.
He was the first number one overall pick. We not talk about Jamarcus Russell.
We talk about him. This ain't joke.
So this man ain't got to watch no film. Yeah, he ain't got to watch no film.
You asked me, is it a big deal? I said, no, it's not a big deal. If you produce him, you get your ass on the field.
How you going to get mad at my goddamn answer? Because you're saying stuff, Ocho. You're saying watching film for a receiver is not a big deal.
Oh, he says he doesn't watch it by himself, but he watches it collectively as a group. You know, in order to be great, you got to watch it on your own.
So just watch it. So just watch it as a group at the team thing.
That's good enough. I'm just want to make sure this clarification.
Listen, that's him. I know what I did.
Oh, that's why we're asking you. You weren't a pro bowler.
You're saying it's not a big deal. Wow.
Can I, hold on, hold on. Let me, let me, let me ask you something real quick.
So watching the film by yourself, right? Yes. Stay with me real quick.
Stay with me. You know what you're looking at? You're looking at DBs, looking at defense.
Yes, I'm watching the technique outside.

Do they pre-technique?

Do they press bail?

What do they do outside, inside?

Yes, I'm watching all that.

Yes.

All that good stuff.

Yes.

Now, me and you are on the same page, right?

Let's say he doesn't watch as an individual,

but he watches as a group.

He watches as a group.

Once he gets to the next level,

and he gets out and does what he's supposed to do without watching it individually, is it still a bad thing? I don't believe he's still productive. Is it still a bad thing? I don't believe me personally.
Oh, you don't think he can get it done because he doesn't watch film by himself. No, no, no, no.
There have been guys that watch film and can't get it done. I just ignore him.
I'm i'm saying but i'm saying is the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does and certain down in distance because everybody so because i've got to watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me i need to know it down the distance area of the field how that guy's gonna play because he's gonna he's going to play, hey, is he going to play the sticks? Is he press bail? Is he cluing? I need to know all that. If I'm not watching tape, it's just hard for me.
Now, he could be that immensely talented that you say, you know what, I'm just going to show up. But I don't know.
I haven't heard any receiver that's worth anything that says, nah, you know, I'm good. Because you got to do it on your own.
You got to. You have to.
And you know, when I think about it now, I'm only speaking because when he said, he says, he didn't say he didn't watch it at all. He said he watched it as a group.
Now, that's one thing. Now, him not doing it individually, I mean that's on him.
But he was very productive in what he did. And when you turn on the film...
He said, I don't ever need to watch it by myself. This is what he said.
I don't like watching film either. I don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over film as a receiver group.
Group. see yeah that that's that's that's different my my my reason for watching film individually is i had no choice despite the entertainment the jokes and the laugh and the celebrations i was a student of the game i studied film just like the quarterback you wanted to be good be great.
Oh, great. And you realized that's what it took in order to be great.
You realized that just your God-given ability wasn't going to beat enough. Now, that might have gotten you to that point.
But what's going to take me to the next level with every other receiver is just as talented as I. Yes, sir.
You're right. And so that's what...
But Ocho,

a better point,

everything that's thought doesn't need

to be said out loud.

Some things you just keep to yourself.

Tell me what you think

them 32 NFL teams thinking.

Mm-hmm.

You're right.

But that's what I don't

get, Ocho. I don't get because you know how teams feel remember what they put if it wasn't a big deal why did they put that clause in Kyle Murray's contract Kyle Murray about gaming why would you ever say this publicly when you're about to get Ocho you're a job interview, and you tell the people, I don't really like coming on time.
Why would you ever tell the people that's interviewing you for a job that? Get the job first. First, yeah.
And then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time. Yeah.
I'm not going to test you. Hey, yeah, you're right.
But one thing, one, they're interviewing him for a reason. They're talking to him for a reason.
If you watch him on film, you watch him on tape, oh, he's going to get drafted somewhere. Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they're going to fix that.
They ain't no problem. Because once you get drafted wherever you go, they're going to teach you and let know, in order to be great, in order to make this 53-man roster, you're going to have to be watching film.
You're going to have to. Because there's a whole different ballgame of one percenters once you do make it.
The things you were able to get away with in college, you won't be able to get away with it at the next level. You won't be able to.
And one of the edges that you need is up here, upstairs.

Yes.

Up here.

Because you need to know what the DB is thinking about doing before he does.

Yeah.

So, oh, bro, I know this down the distance.

I done seen you too many times before.

I know what's coming.

You want to play this technique.

Yeah.

I already know what you're going to do.

This is what you always do.

Yeah. There are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments.
Ocho, why, Ocho, you three weeks through, the draft is what, a little less than a month away. Ocho, why would you ever say this? Yeah, listen, I don't know.
It's something I would have kept to myself. Obviously, I wouldn't say anything like that.
But I'm also someone that loves watching film. I love it.
I just love it. I love watching DBs.
I love watching the safety and seeing what they're doing based on down and distance. So I had no choice, Unc.
I talked too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before it comes.
I got to. That's the edge I needed.
I wasn't physically imposing, you know? So my one edge was, I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else. You're absolutely right.
I got to be able to beat you up here. And I'm not even viewed as one of those type of players that was a student in the game.
I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun. Man, you understand the work I had to put in throughout the week to be able to pull off the stuff I was pulling off? The guys are too good.
Man, stop playing. The guys are too good, Ocho.
Way too good. The guys are too, because you got to, and I want to tell people, everybody at some point in time was an All-State, All-Conference, All-American, All-This, All-That.
What's going to set you apart? Now, I'm just saying, Ocho, just because you were all this, all that, that doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. Just because you study film doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL.
But you need every advantage that you possibly can get because this is a game of inches. And you being open like you was open in college, that ish ain't going to happen.
Unless it's a busted coverage. Yes.
It ain't happening. Yes.
Yes. So this notion that, you know what? Hey, I'm so gifted.
And you know what? A lot of the DBs that you probably went against, they might not be playing on Sunday. On Sunday, yeah.
But the guys you're about to go against, all of them going to play on Sunday. Every last one of them.
Yeah. I'm just a firm believer, Ocho, especially, and you know how this, let me ask you a question.
Yeah. Those 33 general managers, those head coaches, I want you to tell the people at home what you think they're thinking.
Do they, forget what me and you think is a big deal. Do you think general managers and coaches, do you think they think it's a big deal? Yeah, you know, they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right.
They want you to do everything right. All the things necessary as far as preparation and being ready.
Not just for game day, but just for practice. How well do you know your opponent? There's only one way to do that.
That's through film study. But again, you know what happened? I think he's going to be a gem.
Wherever he fall to, it's going to be a gem. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft, or maybe something like this, if he does fall in the draft, there might be a team.
I hope he falls to us because we can use him.

But, you know,

at the end of the day,

it's something I wouldn't have said.

It's something

you wouldn't have said.

You live and you learn.

You live and you learn

and he'll become

a little bit more media savvy

with the way

he conducts himself

when it comes

to answering questions.

I don't get why

you would ever put something

that was going to...

In every stretch

of the imagination, that's like a defensive offensive lineman saying, I don't like lifting weights. I don't get why you would ever put something that was going to, in every stretch of the imagination,

that's like a defensive offensive lineman saying,

I don't like lifting weights.

How?

Fool them.

These kids just like say anything.

And what has happened is that in today's society,

oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job.

How that work, Ocho?

You hear people all the time.

Why can't it be me?

Because that's not your job.

You're not paying you.

When you work for your own self,

me, if I want to show up late,

Ocho, yeah, I could.

I own the company.

But how is that going to look?

Right. You have to set the example I have a level of expectation be on time I don't have a whole lot of rules just be on time that's really the only rule that I have oh I got a great one too let me think about this now if I'm not mistaken after Patrick Mahomes second year was it his second year he said he didn't watch film? No.
And was still great? He said he didn't understand what he was looking at. What he was looking at? Okay.
Yeah. Hey, wait, that's the same goddamn thing.
You watching it, but don't understand with the hair you watching, but you're still going out there cutting the fool. It wasn't until, like, because he was the first year he didn't't start it wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says okay look at this this is gonna be your keys cause a lot of oh tell me I went to an HBCU I didn't know hey we ain't watch no film I ain't gonna lie right watch no film because in black college that's why if you get a corner out of black college,

that's why they used to go to black college

and get them, because what could they play?

Man coverage.

It wasn't no cover too.

It wasn't none of that stuff.

It was man.

Lock up.

Oh, man.

Lock up.

Yeah.

So me, I would beat man coverage.

So they go out there and run a zone.

Hell, I'm booking it.

No, no, son. No, no, son.
Stop. Oh, man.
He ain't got me. That's funny.
Then I started, now, all of a sudden, Ocho, I'm like, oh, man, I like this. Oh, this is cheating.
You give me the answer to the test. Right.
I know you're going to run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me. But for the most part, you're going to be true to who you are.
Always. I mean, every once in a while, I was just watching a deer on IG with eating a rabbit.
A deer? Yeah. Deers don't even eat rabbits.
See, every once in a while, he show you something you ain't seen before. So I'm saying every once in a while, you're going to show me a coverage I ain't seen before.
Right. That might have been AI you was watching too.
No, that wasn't AI. Hey, hey, animals get hungry enough just like you.
You get hungry enough, you eat whatever. I eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead.
We already know you eat whatever. But I just say, Chad, it's just me.
I just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly. Everything that you think, people can think a thought is not a crime.
A thought is

not anything bad. It's the act.

It's the once you say it.

Why would you say that publicly

and you're less than a month away from the draft?

So what do you think

the people that's drafting you and looking

to put millions of dollars in your pocket?

Nah, man. Okay.
That's just like, hey, there are some people that's naturally gifted that didn't have to study for tests and they were good at it. Yeah.
But guess what? Them numbers of them words on the page ain't moving. When them guys try to put their hand around your neck and choke your ass out.
Now, you know he's going to get tested. First of all, you're a first-round pick.
We got to test you regardless. Because I got to see what's all the hype about.
I need to see why you a first-round pick.

I need to see.

Absolutely.

I got to see.

Whatever you come in with your resume,

Heisman, Belitnikoff, Thorpe, Nagurski, Outland,

I don't know what you want.

But if you got one of them awards,

if you a first-round pick, you a high-draft pick,

let me see what they talk about, man. We're going to put you to the test, don't you? You know that.
Every time. We're going to put you to the test.
Hey, especially when everybody come together. Is it a mini camp? No, OTAs.
OTAs, yeah. Yeah, OTAs.
Because you know, they're going to have the draft, so probably like the first week in May. Yeah, you got rookie mini camp.
But it might be just all rookies. It might just be a rookie minicamp.

Yeah, it's always rookie, rookie camp first. You know, that rookie and first-year players,

not the high draft pick,

but the guys that, you know,

guys that were on the practice squad,

because, you know,

there are a couple of guys

that were on the practice squad,

those are the guys that need to get

a whole lot of playing time.

Those would be the guys

that are required to be in.

All the draft picks,

the undrafted free agents

that they brought in,

they're going to bring some undrafted players

in to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad. Right.
But I don't know why he said that, bro. Yeah.
Damn. But, bro, I wish you the best.
I can't do nothing but wish you the best best if that's your MO and it's gotten you that far hey listen it's gotten you this far it's gonna change though he'll understand that they'll explain that to him and I don't think it will really I don't think it will hurt in draft stock because if they want him bad if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they've seen on film during his collegiate career, they'll get him in there and fix the situation. Now, if you come in here, you're not going to do this.
This is what you're not going to do when you come here. Your best players are your hardest workers.
That's when you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a LeBron, You get a Brady. You get a Peyton Manning.

You get an Adrian Peterson.

You get a Ray Lewis.

That's what you get.

You get a Jamar Chase.

That's what you get.

Guys that are immensely talented, work extremely hard, go the extra mile to be great because it's just not good enough.

I don't want to be good.

I want to be great.

I'm trying to be transcendent and historically

great.

Because when I'm done,

I want you to talk about me.

When I'm done,

I want you to say, this guy, you know

what this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar

Chase. This guy reminds me

of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me

of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White or Tom Brady. That's what you want.
Let me say, some guys say, I played in the NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years.
Made me a nice salary. Got the pool.
I did what I wanted to do. It all depends on the individual.
What do you want your legacy to be in a given sport? I mean, some people, you know, some people, just like anything, some people find, hey, being on the job, collecting a check, that's it. Hey, I'm working the same position.
I don't want to move up. Because more responsibility come when you move up, Ocho.
I like this right there. I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home.
Yeah. Nah, hell nah.
That ain't me. Oh, Joe, Tyreek Hill and Miami Dolphins seemingly patched things up after a rough ending to the season, but he posted some cryptic emojis in response to trade speculation.
Reek posted a handful of cryptic posts responding to trade speculation. P-Sign? Why doesn't he just officially ask for trade? You think Tyreek is happy in Miami? I mean, I would think so.
I think he's happy with the weather. I think he's happy with no taxes.

I don't think he's happy with his quarterback situation.

Yeah.

Man, that's a tough one.

That's a tough one.

Because didn't Tyreek just leave the NFL?

What?

Not just what?

Two years ago?

Yeah. Not just past year, but the year before he let the league and receive it.

Yeah, with the same quarterback, right?

Yes.

Same quarterback.

So it shouldn't be any issues.

It shouldn't be any issues.

But what's been the issue with the quarterback? Oh, he's been injured. Oh, okay.
Okay. I see what you're saying.
That's tough. That's tough.
I'm not sure how Tyreek is feeling. I've talked to him on numerous occasions, but I like to stay away from stuff like that, especially, you know, seeing dudes, you know, in the offseason.
I you know in the off season I don't want to talk about no football

they got to do it all the goddamn

time so

I think for me the situation

is good

I would love to be

in Miami I would love to be in Miami

and hope that

Tua can stay upright you know this

upcoming year he can stay healthy and we know we know what Tua can do with Tyreek and Waddell if he's upright and healthy. And that's been the main issue.
It's hard, Ocho, when the quarterback is injured frequently and getting timing with a quarterback. You got one week.
So I got three weeks with Tyron. I got three weeks with Tua.
Then I got a week, maybe two weeks with another guy. Then I got seven weeks with Tua.
Then I got another two, three weeks. Oh, so it's hard.
You know, it's hard to build chemistry. With, you know, think about what it took for you to get on the same page with Carson.
Carson, yeah. And I don't care, you're not going to get on that same page because you and Carson, y'all, there was a look that you could give Carson or Carson could give you.
And we knew exactly what each other was thinking. We knew what to do.
Yeah. That came from years and years of practice, being in the game.
He understand that you run certain routes the way you, oh, oh, you're leaning. He about to break.
I'm going to throw it.

But I know he about to break.

I know he about to snap this off.

Oh, I see him. He about to come

and he about to put that foot in the dirt. He about to come right back to me.

There are certain things

and you know, oh, he's going to throw this

ball. Oh, this coming? Oh, yeah, I'm getting this one.

You already? Oh, I'm getting this one.

I don't care what it was called. I'm getting this ball.

I'm getting this ball. Oh, he threw it to me.
David Fisher said Fans Nation would be open to trading Tyreek. Tyreek smile.
Probably Tyreek Hill said something and he gave you the both EGAP sign. Well, listen, you know, these speculations and these rumors, you know, they always come from somewhere, right? Oh, yeah.
They always come from somewhere. It's so funny.
The draft ain't too long, ain't too far away. So do you think it's possible we might see a trade of some sort on draft day or maybe after and move Enrique somewhere else? I believe it happens.
Okay, if it's going to happen, I believe it happens on draft day. I don't believe it happens after the draft.
Because then what? Because you want the draft compensation. You want to be able to pick them.
You know, I want to be able to go in the draft and get somebody. Obviously, it's going to be multiple picks, maybe this year, a second or a third or whatever the case may be, and even next year.
But I want to get some of the compensation this year. Right.
So's going to happen, it's going to happen probably right before the draft or during the draft. I mean, hypothetically speaking, what would be a great place for Tyreek to go? Back to Kansas City.
Back to Kansas City? That's what you just said? Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah, you asked me what's a great place for him to go look tyreek look when tyreek skill said every any place is a great fit oh absolutely absolutely all you got to do is know how to use him the right way yeah know how to use him right way and boy all hell gonna break loose ocho he like leggings, hey, it don't matter.
They make leggings...

Skinny, medium,

large, extra large.

It don't matter. Leggings fit.

It don't matter. He can go anywhere

and fit. Right.

Right.

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