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He returns 12 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 6 of 9 field goals in 27 minutes. I don't know how many players the Lakers would have traded AD for but you gotta trade him for Luca yeah there ain't a whole lot of players a team won't trade it's reported that they called Minnesota by Ant-Man no it's reported they called Milwaukee by Giannis no No.
They're not getting yoke. I'm trying to think, can you name another player? You probably couldn't get, I wouldn't break up JT and JB.
But other than that, you don't have to come out of here. Everybody's a green light.
Everybody else is a green light. Everybody else is a green light.
So you can't feel bad and I, hey, y'all know what I think of AD. I love AD.
I like him and Brian together because he was the last line of defense. He could guard pretty much one through five.
He was tremendous in the pick and roll. Excellent, excellent.
Help side defense. Could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis.
But 32-year-old AD versus 26-year-old Luca. Yeah.
And then, obviously, an injury-prone AD, which has always been an issue of his not being able to get him on the court. But understanding what he gives you once he's on the court.
But the problem is, is you make the trade. It happens.
He comes out, he gives you the AD you used to, but not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court to make the fans feel like, okay, you know what? We let Luka go, but we still got AD. He's still able to come here and produce.
He's not Luka, you know, by any means, but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out when he's on the court. Yes.
To see him come back and have a good game tonight you know, before, until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm, you know? So, still decent tonight, though. Yeah, that's one of the reasons, Ocho.

When he stays healthy, we've seen him last year.

I think he played like 70 plus games, which are those games he's played in a very

long time. We know what AD can do.

He's as skilled as anybody. He can

shoot the three. Now, he's not shooting

40%, but he got the three ball in his repertoire.

Mid-range game. Can post it.

Can put it on the floor. Can finish at the

rim, above the rim. You're finally going to go to the free throw line and he's going to make 80 plus percent of his free throws.
So obviously, and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball. That's not even up for debate.
But like you said, his injury history made it real easy, plus his age made it real easy for the Lakers to say, you know what? Luka for AD, plus we got another decade of Luka, and we need superstars in order to attract because you look at that, when you look at their court side, and you look at everybody else court side, only the Knicks can rival it. Yeah, it's different.
It's different. And it's always been different, and it's always going to be different.
And that's what you need to attract those stars to come out and watch. Doc Rivers says he doesn't get enough credit for winning three games in a playoff series where he blew 3-1 leads.
No one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways.
I don't get enough credit for winning those three games. I get credit for losing.
I always say, what if we had lost to Houston in six? No one cares. One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept.
All coaches have been swept in the playoffs. My team achieved.
A lot of them overachieved. And I'm proud of that.
Did he say this out loud? Yeah. I'm not sure.
Hold on. He said this so somebody could write it but is

is this really

his quote

I mean

yeah

are we

are we happy

about

are we happy

about losing

but the fact

that we didn't

get swept

is that

is that satisfying

is this some type

of moral victory

or something

it's more embarrassing

that you had a 3-1 lead

and you couldn't

win another game

hey

I just want to know how you feel about it.

Come on, man.

You know what?

I wouldn't even say nothing. I said, yeah, that's

on me. Yes, I've had 3-1

lead in five or six series and we weren't

able to get it done. I've got to do

a better job of putting my players

in position so we can get it done.

I would have never

ever said I don't get enough credit

for winning three games because it's not

Thank you. a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done.
I would have never, ever said I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five. Doc, you came in and there used to be a best of five.
As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember that you used to be a best of three. Yes, there were a best of three.
And because you had a best of three, a best of five, The Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. So was the NBA Finals.
So, Doc, if you had won three games and a best of five, you got a ton of credit. Yeah.
But in a seven-game series, it's the first of four, not the first of three. Doc said that.
Doc said that out loud loud I'm just Do you know what Also

I just want to ask you

Do you really think

This is his quote

Is it from a reliable source

Yeah it's him

He's talking

Yes

It's in quotes

Yeah that's what he said

It's to Mark Spears

He said

No one tells the real story

And I'm fine with that

It's unfair in some ways

I don't get enough credit

For getting those three wins

You don't get credit For winning games. You get credit for winning series.
Right. If it's the NCAA, you get credit for winning games.
One in one shot. Not in a series.
Not where it takes four. Come on, Doc.
Doc is too much of a student of the game. Doc has too much basketball high-level IQ to ever say something like this to have it printed.
Lord have mercy. Uh-oh.
Ocho, that would be the equivalent

of DQ said hey I don't get

enough credit for having a 28-3 lead

on the page interest I don't get

enough credit for that because I did have a lead

how many coaches ever

had a 25 point lead in the Super

Bowl what good

is that you lost

yeah

that's the same thing when the Houston or the Oilers had that big lead against Buffalo. A lead? You're talking about a lead.
Not winning the game, but we had a lead. It's even more embarrassing that in a first to four you won three games and you lost the series still.
I don't know. I need more context to the conversation because the way it's being worded doesn't sound like, come on, Doc, would you really say something like that? Yeah, because he has the most blown 3-1 leads in NBA history.
He's saying, y'all not giving me credit for winning three games. Nah.
That ain't the way it works, though. In nothing, in nothing you do in life.
He had against the Celtics in 23, a 3-2 lead. Lost.
2020 against the

Nuggets in the bubble, 3-1

lead. Lost.
2015

the Rockets.

He was at the

Clippers at the time. Lost.

2012 against

the Heat, 3-2 lead. Lost.

2010 against the Lakers,

3-2. Lost.

2009 against the Magic, 3-2, lost. 2003, Pistons, 3-1, lost.
My goodness. Listen.
What are we supposed to do with that, Ocho? The difficulties of being a coach. The difficulties of being a head coach at the highest level.

Here's the question.

The question Mark Spears asked him,

how do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media

and on social media from losing 3-1 series leads four times?

Doc Quote was a direct response to what he was asked by Mark J. Spears.
How do you feel with all the criticism you received from the media and on social media? So I guess ain't nobody else criticized him, huh? You don't think other coaches talk about, damn, Doc. You don't think players say it.
So what you think? I players say so what you think i get it blaming the media right blame so blame social media so but we're the only ones ain't no player as a matter of fact what happened when he lost the clippers 3-1 lead and guest management blamed him too they got him up out of there got it there yeah okay uh uh uh uh uh philly what did they do they ain't got any more part of there. Got him there, yeah.
Okay. Billy, what did they do? They got him up out of there.
So I guess it ain't just the media and social media. So I have...
If it's Moses. So hold on.
Hold on, hold on, man. Hold on.
Now I have a question. I think now the opportunity is given when it comes to the NFL is a little bit different as opposed to the NBA.

Now, he continues to get jobs for a reason.

Exactly.

So you can't say.

Yeah.

He's a great coach.

He's a great coach. He has to be great at something that he does

because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs

despite the losses that are happening at important times,

at the wrong times. Yeah.
And they're letting you go, but you're getting the job somewhere else right away like it's nothing. So there's something special about him.
Right. I don't like that answer, though.
Yeah, no, nobody likes that answer. If he can take it back, if he can read the quote now with a little bit of clarity and understand.
Let me finish. I guarantee he'll hear worded differently.
I'm telling you, you see how you, in your right state of mind, is sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what he was. He wasn't drunk.
Yeah, hey. Yeah, yeah, let's put up because we want to put some more comments because you say he was taken out of context.
He had no idea. Oh, no, I know.
It wasn't because once you told me what the question was, that gave me a better understanding. It was a direct question so the answer and the quote was literally direct based on, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes at least.
Okay, how about this here? It is what it is. It's a part of my legacy.
There's nothing I can do about it. I got a team that was an 8th seed up 3-1.
That's coaching. That's not bad coaching.
There are several 8th seeds that have actually won. The Denver Nuggets was the first 8th seed.
They beat the Seattle Super Sonics, who was the number 1 seed, but we'll talk about that later. The one with the Clippers

is the only one that got away, but people

don't realize that Chris Paul was running

on one leg in 2015 with the

Clippers, and we also, the

underdog in that series, when you think

about it, Houston had home court,

not us. So let

me get, it was good enough, you got,

you beat them twice on their home court

to get a 3- get a three one lead.

Right. So he was on one leg.
So one leg got you a three one lead. One leg couldn't get you another win.
OK. OK.
How about this? We didn't have home court. well it goes

roll to your

first two games

at the

if you're the

underdog that means the first two games they're home so that means in order for you to get a 3-1 lead you had to have won one game on the court exactly it's on your resume doc I think the best thing could have said, Hey, look, it's a part of, it's, it's a part of me. I wish maybe I could have done something different, right? Call different plays, put players in different situations.
But to say, I don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's a four game, see, when it's a seven-game series, and it's the first of four, not the first of three, he got to miss me with that one. Yeah.
He got to miss me with that one. So, sorry, Doc, we can't agree on that one.
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Take the first step to helping you feel your best again. Ocho, we've got breaking news coming in.
A lot of y'all been commenting in the chat. Juju Watkins was carried off minutes into the Mississippi State game.

Watkins was on a fast break just under five minutes to go.

She appeared to have gotten tangled up with a Mississippi State player.

She immediately went down, grabbed her right knee visibly in pain.

A foul was called on the Mississippi State Chandler Prater.

Prater.

Prater.

Damn. Oh, my goodness.
That just happened it did damn it did oh damn okay man oh my goodness she's screaming it didn't look good oh my damn what do you think I can't see what do you think it is I don't even want to speculate but she grabbed her knee and she's screaming she immediately grabbed her knee and she's screaming. She immediately grabbed her knee and she's screaming.

Damn.

Damn.

I'm hoping for the best though. I'm hoping for the best too,

Ojo. I don't

want to put that out

there. Let's just say she went

Thank you. I'm hoping for the best, though.
I'm hoping for the best, too, Ocho. I don't want to put that out there.
Let's just say she went down. She did not return to the game.
We're going to wait until they give us a diagnosis after this game. But it didn't look good.
Damn. Ocho, March Madness has zero perfect brackets that remain.
More than 35, 34 million brackets was entered. None remain perfect.
It took 43 games, but number three, Kentucky's 84-75 win over number six, Illinois, busted the final bracket. So, Ocho, this is the first time that a man's perfect bracket has lasted until the second round since 2019.
In 2024, the last perfect men's bracket was busted in the 31st game of the tournament. Are you surprised that there are no perfect brackets remaining? Listen, I'm not surprised because if you look at the odds when it comes to having a perfect bracket and winning prize money or winning something for having the perfect bracket.
I mean, you would know the chance of winning or having the perfect bracket is less likely than actually winning the lotto. It absolutely is.
Statistically, if it's like that, the chance of having a perfect bracket, you would have to almost guess or create multiple brackets at that to actually have one that goes perfect and have different scenarios in the way games are going to play out. Because if you look at it, this uncle only comes down to one game.
It comes down to one game. I was excited and didn't even create a bracket.
I just went on a limb and said, you know what? Hell, St. John's is going to win the whole thing.
And St. John's, they didn't win and lost.

They didn't win and lost in the second round.

They didn't lose in the second round.

So if I had a bracket, which I didn't,

then the goddamn one team I did pick,

now they going home.

Yep.

And because normally, if your team normally,

it's hard for you to win a bracket,

if the team that you picked to win the tournament gets knocked out early.

Because think about all the,

because you had them winning, they got knocked out the round of 32. So now they don't make the sweet 16.
They don't make the elite eight. They don't make the final four.
So one side of your bracket is already gone. Unless you're perfect on the other side, it's hard for you to overcome that.
But this is why people love market magic so much is the uncertainty, the unpredictability of college basketball. Because you're not dealing with professionals here, Ocho.
You're dealing with kids. You're dealing with 18 to 20, 21-year-old kids.
Maybe some are a little older now because of the portal and what we had with COVID. So sometimes the kids are 22, 23 years of age.
But you're not dealing with professionals, although some of them are getting paid. So I guess you would consider theoretically consider them professionals.
But when you look at it like that, Ocho, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised they haven't been more upset.
You think so? Yeah, yeah. I don't think we had, we didn't have any like, what, 13, 14 seeds that upset anybody this year.
Normally we have a 13 or 14 seed, a 15 seed that would upset somebody. It's just hard now, Ocho, because the freshmen, if you're really good, you leave.
And the portal guys going back to going to one school here and didn't like the amount of playing time or got into it with coaches or whatever the case may be. And so now the talent is spread.
Guys are not just going to Carolina, Duke and Kentucky and Kansas. Guys are spreading out.
UConn, even though they lost today to Florida. But that's what happened.
That's what happened. You're going to start to see this, I think, a little bit more in football also, Ocho, the unpredictability of college football because the guys are starting to spread out.
Because you know what? There are a lot of teams that got money. Now, they might not have as much as Ohio State or, say, Michigan or Alabama or Georgia, but hey, considering I was going to get nothing that I can get $200,000, $300,000, that's pretty good money for an 18-year-old that's entering college.
And when I think about it, you talk about the landscape and how the dynamic of the playing field is somewhat even because players are going everywhere. I think when it comes to college football, I think that's already happened.
I think it's already happened. You think of the days when the Hurricanes, the Florida Gators, and the Seminoles used to absolutely dominate collegiate football and get all the great players, especially from down here in Florida, as opposed to now.
Listen, the kids out of Florida and Texas and in L. they're going everywhere.
They're going to Ohio State, they're going to Alabama. Look at Amari Cooper.
Look at Jerry Judy. Look at Jeremiah Smith.
He's at Ohio State. Yep.
Look at Lamar Jackson. He's from Florida.
He went to Louisville. So, where the guys from Florida would normally stay home, they're like, nah're out of there.
And so, you know, if Florida could actually keep their guys, that's why Florida, Florida State, Miami, the Canes, that's why they were so good because they normally kept that homegrown talent. Now that homegrown talent, they leave.
Yeah. And so Ridley, isn't Calvin Ridley from Florida? Yeah, Calvin Ridley, yeah.
He and his brother, they went out of state. And so Ridley, isn't Calvin Ridley? Yeah, Calvin Ridley, yeah.

He and his brother,

they went out of state.

And so you're right, Ocho.

I think because the guys

are starting to leave

and starting to spread out,

you're going to see,

you're going to,

the likelihood of you see

the domination that you once saw.

Nah.

I don't know if we're going

to see that again.

Nah, it's not going to happen.

Listen, unless there's a booster

from somewhere that comes along with an abnormal amount of money. Let's say Ewan, for example, or Florida State.
In order for them to get back to their dominating ways, they have to come into these homes and offer some of these five-star kids or steal players from other schools. Yeah, that's what you're going to need to do, Ocho.
Yeah, based on the amount of money they're willing to pay them in order for the Hurricanes or the Seminoles to get back to how it was back in the 90s. You got to keep all homegrown kids right here within the state.
When you look at it, Ocho, and like you said, okay, you got to get a kid that was, like you're like a Jordan Addison. Yeah.
He won the Blitnikoff Award at Pitt and now he ends up at USC. USC, yeah.
Because you got those big movie studio execs and all those guys that went to USC. That's a big film school.
Yeah. Which one of those, is it Kassenberg? Or David Geffen that went to USC? is one of those is it Katzenberg or David Geffen

that went to USC

it's one of them

because SKG

is Spielberg

Katzenberg

and Geffen

Spielberg

Katzenberg

and Geffen

SKG

but I know

one of them

got a film school

named after at USC. Because they started Pixar, didn't they? SKG.
Spielberg. David Geffen.
But that's what you're going to have to have, Ocho. You're going to have to have, like you said, those big guys to have that kind of money.
You see Larry Ellison, his wife went to Michigan. He intervened and got Bryce Underwood to flip from LSU to Michigan.
Yeah. DreamWorks, SKG, Spielberg, Kassenberg, and Geffen, right? Which one went to USC? Because one of them has a film school named after them.
I think it's David Geffen. But it might be Kassenberg.
DreamWorks, yeah. Not Pixar.
Cooper Flagg scores 18 points in his second round win over Baylor. The Blue Devils finished the first half on a 12-0 run, and the run didn't slow down after the half, asserting their dominance in an 89-66 win.
Cooper Flagg was once again the best player on the court, finishing with 18 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, and a block. While Tyrese Proctor added 25 points and shot 7 of 8 from the 3.
Duke have been dominant and has shown that they still can win it all. You're absolutely right, Ocho.
They look like the most impressive team that I've seen in the tournament. From top from top to bottom.
From top to bottom in every phase on the court, in transition, on offense, on defense, everything about Duke looks phenomenal. I'm not sure.
I think they might be the anomaly. I might be using anomaly in the wrong context in the instance where I'm talking about Duke might be in one of the teams where regardless of what day it is, they probably will beat everybody.

I'm not sure who can compete with them or contend with them.

You will probably be better versed and well-knowledged

in the game of collegiate basketball to tell me,

is there a team that can actually challenge Duke based on what I've seen so far

and based on what I've seen during the regular season?

Right.

Hold on for a second.

Would you say all of them went to USC? All of them have schools named after them. Schools.
Yeah. That's all.
We're not surprised. So that's how USC is able to get, be able to flip, get Jordan Addison after he won the Blitnikoff Award and get him to come to USC.
But Cooper Flagg, he looked good. I mean, you watched him at high school at Mount Verde, and he was sensational.
And he hadn't disappointed. He looks like he's going to be the presumptuous number one overall pick in this upcoming draft.
Oh, so he's not coming back? Not bad he's coming back. You want to go to the NBA.
How can you get hired at number one? I can see if he's going to be like an end of the lottery pick. He's going to be number one.
To come back to do what? It's so funny. Watching him play today and watching Cooper Flagg, he just reminded me so much of myself when I was in high school.
Our game is very similar. Very similar.
He can, you know, he can score. He can score from anywhere, mid-range, you know, put the ball on the floor, take people on, you know, in the post, back to the basket.
I mean, just, he can shoot the three a little bit. I mean, it's just very reminiscent of myself, you know, in high school back in 1991.
And it's a joy to watch. It's a joy to watch.

Somebody say Cooper Flagg

is the best prospect

since LeBron.

Did you not just see

Wimby come out last year?

So he's a better prospect

than Wimby.

You feel comfortable

saying that?

No.

Hey, listen.

One thing about us

in general,

people,

in general,

society,

we are prisoners of the moment. Absolutely.
Whatever is hot right now, that's what it is and you forget about some of the great players that have come in the past. Hey, nigga, my dog.
Tidy, what's up, baby? You couldn't let me get no more moments That's how it is. He said, my auntie

had me for 10

days and I was

ready for her to leave, Ocho.

She be stingy. She don't want to be

sharing no chicken tenders. She don't

share nothing.

So, I was ready for her to go.

Inflategate, Ocho, players are complaining

about overinflated basketballs.

Here's a list of the players that have spoken out about the absurdity of the ball overinflation in the NCAA tournament game. Oh, come on, man.
You know, you had Sam Decker, Kobe Bray, Coleman Hawkins, Joseph Gerard III, Don't Connect last year, Armando Baycott, Hunter Dixon. What do you think, Ocho? Is it something or nothing? Man, I mean, to me, honestly, it's nothing.
I wouldn't be complaining about the ball. You know, when you were growing up, sometimes you had to worry, but you had no control over the conditions, huh? You're playing outdoor, you're playing indoor.
Sometimes there's no net. Sometimes there's nets.
Sometimes there's chain nets. Sometimes there's a double rim.
Sometimes the ball is flat. Sometimes the ball is full either way you adapt you make the adjustments

necessary now you see what i mean now we got players that didn't got to college now they complain about the goddamn ball and forgetting how we grew up oh i'm not sure how they grew up then yeah everybody everybody had a silver spoon based on this area that's in college right now i'm just listen i ain't even had no shoes i had the hoop and p class and a pair of chucks Everybody's hooping chucks

I know but I'm just saying

I'm still hooping the chucks And they talk about Oh the ball is too much And the ball Man if you don't go out there And play basketball And adjust and adapt To the goddamn ball What are you talking about? Man he's made Hey um Boy hey chat That was the chat Could that saw me boy boy back in back in 1990 well i mean you look like you played in the 60s the way you hold of that basketball oh i have an unorthodox grip you hear me i got an unorthodox grip i have an unorthodox game you do so you uh let me ask you a question do you think that you think there's something to this? What should the NCAA, should they look into it? Should they check the ball? Hey, honestly, as a player, I'm just saying as a competitor, I wouldn't care about that. That's just me.
Now, I can't speak on behalf of the players. If they're saying maybe the ball has too much air in it, I mean, maybe it does.
Should that affect your game in any way? No. When you shoot the ball, don't hit the rim.
When you put the ball on the floor, you know what to do with it. No air, a lot of air, it shouldn't matter.
It shouldn't affect anything. That's just me.
I ain't complaining about no damn ball.

I'm going out there and I'm for the hoop.

If you're a true hooper,

now I'm talking about a true hooper.

If you're a true hooper,

you adapt regardless of circumstance.

I ain't telling you what I heard.

I'm telling you what I know.

You think the player that go to rugby park,

they complain about the ball having too much air?

Well, I think sometimes these arenas are bigger than what they normally play in.

I think, you know, you hear the NBA players saying you got to get used because of the depth perception.

Because, you know, you used to play it and now they're playing in multi-purposes arena.

And so maybe that has something to do with it.

Maybe the ball could be overinflated.

It's a little, you know.

Go ahead.

I have a question.

Don't they have shoot around in college football and college basketball too, right? Yeah. There's plenty time to make the necessary adjustments to your game, to your skill set, based on the balls that you were using.
Me personally, I'm just saying, they have a right to complain and just something I wouldn't complain about. Before we have a football game, what does the coach tell you to go do two hours before the game? Go out there and test the what? Test your shoes.
So you know what shoes you need to wear because you might have to make the necessary adjustments based on the field you plan on. Yep.
Come on now, we talk about a ball having too much air, man. We ain't even had no air in our balls in PE back in the 80s.
And I may do just like that. How about the ball got too much air in it? Man, child, please, man.
Come on, man. We will get into March Madness.
I'm going to show you this a little later. Day one of March Madness in the books.
Hey, got an upset already, Ocho. The biggest upset of the tournament thus far.
McNeese, number 12, McNeese State, over number 5, Clemson, 69-67. McNeese became the 47th, number 12 seed to win a first-round game since 1979 and in the process won his first NCAA tournament game in school history.
The performance comes in wake of Coach Will Wade's agreement. He's leaving McNeese at the end of the tourney run to become the head coach of the Wolfpack of NC State.
But Wade's transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not become a distraction. He said, Ocho, do you think him leaving propelled his team to spring this upset? Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe so.
But listen, you know, when it comes to basketball, it's one game. It's not a seven game series.
It's not a five or six game series. You go out there and what team shows up that specific day? Your ranking don't matter.
It don't matter what you've done during the regular season. Once it comes to Marsh Madness, you got one shot, one shot to get it right.
And they got it right. Maybe there might have been some type of motivation behind coach, them knowing coach is leaving, and you want to send him out the right way.
And if this is any testament to that, kudos to them.

Yeah.

They play really well. Ocho,

the thing is that there's

a difference between truth and transparency.

You see, the difference, see,

truth is, you ask me a question,

I tell you the truth.

Transparency is you telling me something

that I didn't even ask you to tell you.

Ocho, I ain't gonna do that now, Ocho is you telling me something that I didn't even ask you to tell me.

Oh, Joe, I ain't gonna do that now, Joe.

Nah, just get that point. Hold on, hold on.

We just started the show.

Hey.

Hey, I'ma start.

You know what, I'ma start.

Oh, no, we're not doing that.

Oh, Joe, we gonna get into the show.

I ain't gonna get into the show.

You coming out with hot fire already.

Give me that. Come on now.
Come on, don't do me like that. Give me that one more time.
I got to write that down. I'm telling you that transparency line was unbelievable.
Truth is telling you, you ask me a question. I tell you the truth.
Transparency is telling you something. You didn't even ask me.
I'm being transparent. You don't even know.
See, if you ask, if you tell me, say, well, Shannon, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. Yeah, this is what I did.
But let me tell you something else that you didn't know. That's being transparent.
And there's a difference between the two. And so I think him, even before, they found out, he's like, look, guys, I've had contact.
There's a possibility I could be leaving you guys and going somewhere else. And I think that plays a large part.
That's what transparency is. People say transparent.
I want you to be transparent. Now I think that's a good definition of good understanding is telling someone something they didn't even ask.
Now you're being transparent.

And so I think this definitely

helped. But like you said, Ocho,

in a game of this magnitude,

when one shot is, and that's

one shining moment,

I just gotta be better

than you for this day. I gotta be better.

I ain't gotta be a better team.

I just gotta be better than you today. Two hours.
That's it. That's it.
And they were. And I think that's why people love March Madness so much, Ocho, because realistically, anything can happen on that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
And people like that because the underdog like, man,

my team really got a chance to beat a Duke,

to beat a North Carolina, to beat a

Clemson, to beat a UCLA, or one

of these blue blood programs, Kentucky, Kansas.

My team, you

man, you know what?

My team did that. My team really, truly

have the chance to do that.

There's a reason to call

it March, and the last

word is madness.

Because ain't no telling what's going to happen regardless of seating, regardless of the conference, regardless of how small your program may be. All it takes is what team is showing up that day for two hours.
A team get a lot out, think for me, a team get hot. And you know a team get hot.
They make 10, 11, 12 threes in a college game? That's huge. They go on the run, all of a sudden they can't miss.
We've seen it before. We've seen Villanova pull the upset over Georgetown we've seen NC State take down flop five slammer jammer in 1984 no that was 83 83 excuse me 83 the Wolfpack took him down because in 84 Georgetown won Georgetown beat Houston that year because that was the year Akeem ended up turning pro.
But, yeah. Oh, got another one, Ocho.
Drake is headed to the second round. The Bulldogs just upset Missouri 67-57.
That's a number 11. Took down a number 6.
Earlier we had a number 12 took down a number 5. I think the thing is we're waiting for that we're waiting for that 116, 215, 314 because like the note said earlier 47 times of 12 is taking down number 5.
So we've gotten kind of like we expect 112 to take down a 5 seed in the first round. We're going to the thing.
So when we get this, even though it is an upset because you're ranked five, the other team is ranked 12, 11 versus a six, we're expecting this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years. So we're not nearly as shocked, but now when we get a one 16,

we got to get a two 15,

we got a three 14.

Now they're like,

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Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, to make multiple brackets, make multiple brackets with multiple scenarios for your bracket to be right.

There's no way in hell

people are guessing

the bracket on one shot

with some of the upsets

and getting it right.

Because if you are

and if you're able to do it

and you're out there

and your bracket is still intact today,

you need to give me

the numbers to make it millions

in the lotto

and pick five.

Please, please do.

I mean, the first round is really not that hard because I think Warren Buffett had a thing that if you compete a perfect bracket and pick the national champ, you'll get a billion dollars. Well, that ain't gonna happen.
You've got a better chance of winning the lottery than picking a perfect bracket all the way through and getting the national champion right. You've got a better chance.
I mean, think about it, Ocho. Every single round, from 64 to 32 to 16 to 8 to 4.
Listen, you get that right, that ain't nothing but God's grace and fable. That ain't nothing but that.
Well, you better let God pick it in. You not pick it.
You better let him pick it. You better let him fill out your bracket.
You better let him fill out your bracket. Ocho, the number eight, Gonzaga's...
The Zags beat number nine, Georgia Bulldogs, 89-68. The Zags look to be drastically under-seeded as the number eight made easy work over the Georgia Bulldogs.
Gonzaga has now played 26 straight NCAA tournament games. Georgia was playing for the first time since 2015.
One team looked very, very comfortable on this stage. The other team did not.
The Jags jumped out to a 27-3 lead and never looked back. Georgia had 13 turnovers, shot just 5 of 26 from the three, including back-to-back air balls at one point in the first half.
They trailed by 25 points on multiple occasions. Look, I think, didn't Gonzaga just play for the National Championship a couple of years ago? And, you know, they have really good players.
They had Jalen Sugg come out of there, Timmy or Chet Holgren. So they've had Rui Hachimura.
They've had some guys, some really good players come out of Gonzaga. Mm-hmm.
So I'm not surprised. I definitely would, even though they were a higher seed, I would have picked the Zags to beat the Bulldogs.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
I mean, you've been there that many times. I don't think anybody

is surprised

that the Zags,

probably the only people

that picked them

were Bulldog fans.

On Saturday,

get ready to see

how good the Zags are.

They'll try to beat

the top-seeded

Houston Cougars

to make their 10th grade.

Hey,

now that's going to be

a good one.

Now that's going to be

a good one.

We got to be able to have that pressure. Drew Timmy.
That's who. Oh.
What? Number 10, Arkansas. Razorbacks.
Took down the number 7, Kansas Jayhawks. 79-72 in a game of runs between two championship coaches.
Seven seed Kansas escaped the win with eight ties and ten different lead changes. The number 10 Arkansas Razorback used a 7-0 run to give Coach John Calipari a 79-72 victory over the Jayhawks and built himself in the Providence Road Island.
What'd you think? I mean, Coach K.L.F., he got the criticisms, became a little bit unbearable because, hold up, bro, every year, think about all the first-round draft picks that you've had, all the number one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've only got one national championship to show. And Kentucky is about championships.
Coach Ruff, Tubby Smith, Rick Pitino, even Califf's back one. But you got number one overall pick Anthony Davis.
You got Carl Anthony Towns. You got Boogie Cubs.
You got number one John Wall. You got Shea Gilder.
You got Tyler Hero. You got Jamal Murray.
You got Devin Booker. You got Vanderbilt.
Come on, Cole. Listen, it's been a farm system for them.
It's been a farm system for them. In and out with number one picks, some of the greatest, not only to play collegiate football, but some of the greatest also in the NBA.
But also, you got to think about it. Think about who they were losing to.
They weren't losing to no scrub. They're also losing to other players that play well collectively as a group.
Now, usually, we name in one-offs of great players that happen to be on a team,

but the team that they lost to.

But you do realize that John Wall and Boogie Cousins was on the same team,

but that's the key word that you heard me say.

The team that they lost to played together collectively as a group,

much better than them as the head of Munster.

The team that's beating them are sophomores, juniors, and seniors,

sprinkled in, where they're just one and done.

And then look,

Thank you. They've been longer.
They've been at Muster. The team that's beating them are sophomores, juniors, and seniors sprinkled in where they're just one and done.
Look, try to learn how to play together. Because all these guys, Murray was the guy.
Book was the guy. Hero was the guy.
All these guys were the guy. Now you're asking all these five stars to come together and say, okay, bro, for the common good, hey, do what you need.
It's hard. It's really hard because everybody has the same ambition is to go play in the NBA.
But in order to get there, you're going to have to have sacrifices. And it's hard.
I mean, you look at the teams that win. They got juniors and seniors sprinkled in there.
Look at UConn. They're not as deep as far as juniors and seniors, and they're struggling.
Obviously, they don't have the same talent. You know, you lose Clingon, then you lose Castle, you lose some of these other guys, and so you're going to struggle.
But Coach Cal got it done in Arkansas' first win in the tournament as head coach of Arkansas. We know he was at a lot of different places.
Where was he at UMass? He ended up going to, he was an NBA. Then he goes to Memphis.
Then he goes to Kentucky. Stayed in Kentucky for a number of years.
He did win a national championship. But he moves on and he gets his win there.
The number one seeds, Auburn and Houston, both take care of business. Auburn beat Alabama State 83-63.
Auburn cruised behind 23 points from Miles Kelly and 14 points, 11 rebounds from player of the year candidate, Johnny Brown. Setting up Saturday date with the number nine Creighton.
Houston will play SIU Edwardsville.

Oh, they beat SIU Edwardsville 78-40. Damn.
Kevin Sampson

was able to rest his starter for much of the second

half after building a 28-point

lead in the first half. No starter

played more than 23 minutes. Houston

has been haunted by injuries in the NCAA

tournament the last three years, but it cruised

into the second round with his entire rotation

intact.

So, no surprise. I mean, I think

some people, a lot of people probably got Houston

I'm going to go to the next episode. in the last three years, but it cruised into the second round with his entire rotation intact.
So, no surprise.

I mean, I think some people,

a lot of people probably got Houston

going all the way through,

at least advancing to the Elite Eight,

if not the Final Four.

Now listen,

who did you say Houston has coming up?

They play Zaga on Saturday, right?

Yes.

Okay.

I don't think I'm...

Listen, I ain't no telling what's going to happen, huh?

It's one day, but Houston is good.

Houston is very, very good.

But again, it's called March Madness for a reason.