Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron addresses Stephen A. Smith on Pat McAfee; Damian Lillard out with a blood clot; Lakers challenging games

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Go James, go James, go James. For the first time, he entered a game in the fourth quarter where he hadn't scored a field goal.
He has three points. If I'm not mistaken, I think he only had two points at the half.
At the half a streak 18 years. He's scored at least 10 points in every game for the last 18 years.
It's the longest consecutive streak of double-digit games in NBA history. And he kept the streak alive because he was sensational.
I think he scored 12 points in the fourth quarter, but none bigger than the tip in at the buzzer to give them the win. The Lakers beat the Pacers 120-119.
Lakers had a 17-point lead. They squandered that again.
What quarter? Third. Every time.
They gave up 37 points in the third quarter. Remember the other night? They gave up 34 points in the third quarter.
and it looked like they scored a little over 60 points

in the third quarter. And it looked like they scored a little over 60 points in the second half.
And that'll get you beat. And the Lakers are going to have to find out until it's important to them to take care of the basketball, to play better defense.
They're going to find themselves in these kinds of games because they allow teams to hang around because they turn the ball over. When they can stretch a lead to 20, 22, 23, they turn the ball over in a couple quick threes and now all of a sudden a 17-point game is down under 10.
But when it matters the most, and that's what good players, that's what great players do. They can play bad, no matter the sport, Ocho.
They can play bad for a particular period of time. but when they absolutely have to have it, they can dig down.
Now, a lot of times, you and I both play the game of football. Sometimes when things are not going our way, we allow it to creep into our minds and it'll affect our overall play.
Yes, sir. I thought he rebounded the ball extremely well.
He had 13 rebounds. He led the Lakers in rebounds.
He did a great job of facilitating, considering Luka is the primary ball handler now. Let him in assists with seven.
But when he needed it, he dug down in his fourth quarter. He got it going.
He primarily had the ball in his hand while Luka was on the bench getting his rest to start the fourth. He got his double digits and then he turned it back over to Luka and Luka got hot again down the stretch.
I think Luka ended up with 34 points. AR, Austin Reeves had 24.
But it was LeBron at the end of the ballgame that got the tip in at the buzzer because this would have been heartbreaking. This would have been a gut-wrenching loss.
If they had lost this game. They would have lost.
They were on the 0-3 skid. The 0-3 skid, for one, like you said earlier, they can play in stretches in the game and get a lead, but because of the lack of defense and always being F and being transition, being lazy, turning the ball over, they allow teams to come back in, teams that they should be dominating.
Obviously, the game of basketball is about to get, it's a game of runs, but still, you're playing the Pacers. I'm not saying the paces are horribly sorry but when it comes to the lakers if you're serious about not only making the playoffs or keeping the seed that you're in this is a game that's supposed to go in and dominate quarter by quarter but yet again in the third quarter after after having the lead they had they almost squandered that and they did because the paces ended up taking the lead, don't joke.
They squandered the lead. The Pacers took the lead.
And then Roy, I don't want to butch his last name. Roy, Roy, Roy.
Roy Hachimura. Brother Hachimura, Hakatana, hit the two threes towards the end of the game.
And LeBron had to come through in a magical moment in the game, they should have lost, honestly. Yeah.
Honestly, they should have lost. But he owed him.
Hey, he owed him that one. LeBron owed him that one.
He's in the locker room saying, knowing LeBron, he's probably the locker room guy like, hey, that was a big win, but I owe y'all. I owe you.
For that first half? For the game. Because I think, what was he, he ended up 4-12? Yeah.
So he was 3-11 before that TNHL, so he ended up going 4-12. And he knows 0-7 from the three.
He knows he didn't his overall game. But the thing is about a great player, you find other ways to impact the game.
Look at his defensive rebounder. I mean, look at his rebounder.
Look at his assist. His assist.
Let him in assist. Let him in rebounds.
But that's what great players do. They find ways to impact the game, even though he wasn't scoring.
A lot of times a scorer, when he's not scoring, he mopes, he pops, and all of a sudden it impacts other areas of the game. Can you impact the game when you're not doing what you normally do to impact the game? Find other ways to influence the game.
Rebound the basketball. Can I facilitate? Can I play defense? Can I draw a charge or things of that nature? And I was very happy to see LeBron pull it out.
Had a lot going on today. Luca, in the month of March, 31.4 points a game.
Eight and a half rebounds, 8.6 success. 43 points, so basically 44% from the three-point line on 11 attempts per game.
He's on pace to be the youngest Laker to average 30 points in a single month since Kobe in 2003. Nah.
Hey, I like the Lakers chance.

I love all the mantras, all the

quotes of Lakers in five, but

I honestly think they need one more

piece. As great as

Hakatana Ruri is playing,

they need

something else. Another score.

LeBron has an off night,

then Luka gives you what he does tonight.

He was kind of off and on, but he still ended up

with 34, but I think if they just had

Thank you. Another score.
LeBron has an off night. Then Luka gives you what he does tonight.

He was kind of off and on, but he still ended up with 34.

But I think if they just had one more person,

they give him just a little bit more.

I know Reeves is good.

I know Rui can score as well.

They just need one more piece of that puzzle.

And I think it's all right.

What they were hoping for, that Alex Lynn could give them something. Now, I don't know what they've seen from Alex Lynn since he's been in the league.
And you don't like Buddy, man. It's not about like or dislike, Ochoa.
I mean, I think the chatter would agree. They've watched him at many different stops.
I think he's been in Washington. I think he's been with the Suns.
He's been different places. He's what he is.
Yeah. He's what he is.
Right. I don't care.
You take a grizzly bear out of the forest, whether he in Alaska or he's in Canada, it does not matter. You take him out of that and you put him in a different environment, he's still a grizzly bear.
Okay, yeah. His instincts does not go away.
Right. Well, in other words, if he's sorry over here, what do you expect him to be over there? He'd be that.
I mean, it's not like he was good at one point in time on Joe. And you say, you know what? Hopefully he can summon that up again, but he has not been good at any stop.
He's tall. Now, I coach him is calling his name.

It is what it is.

And I'm just being factual.

There's not anybody

outside there

that can help him,

Mocho.

And the problem is

is that when

when Jackson Hayes

goes to the bench,

they're a small team.

They don't have another B.

LeBron got to go

to the five.

LeBron has to go

to the five. Or you bring in Dorian Finney-Smithron got to go to the five.
LeBron has to go to the five.

Or you bring in Dorian Finney-Smith, and he has to play the five.

Right.

They're a very, very small team.

And that's the problem that you have because you're really not playing Jackson Hayes

more than 25 minutes a night.

Right.

And he's a guy, and the thing that I love, I mean, you love and you hate,

is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes.

He's a lob guy. He gets it off the rim.
He gives you second chance opportunities. But he's not a guy that you can run to the blind and say, hey, put his back to the basket, throw it to a hand, and he's going to do something with it.
That's not what he is. That's not who he is.
Right. Now, I got a question now.
Now, listen, my knowledge of the game of basketball is a little limited. I'm getting better at it, though.
Now, listen, if they got to go small, if they got to go small, shouldn't the Lakers, at times, depending on who it is, be at an advantage when it comes to, you know, playing small and having to transition up and down the court as opposed to, you know... Yeah, if the other team goes small, But what happens when they got Jokic out there?

What do you do then?

And that's the problem.

Okay, let's just say you play Memphis.

Right.

Memphis got Zach Eady, who's 7'3".

Yeah.

He's not in real trade.

He's in clogging up space.

He's not advantageous on offense at all.

Or am I wrong? He's going to give you extra possessions because of rebounding. Okay.
And without rebounding, there are no rings without rebounding. Okay.
And that's the problem that the Lakers are going to have. Even when LeBron has an off-match, you still have AR and Luka that can carry the load.
If Luka is struggling, LeBron and AR can carry the load.

If AR is struggling, Luka

and LeBron can still carry the load.

You got three guys that can

score. AR is giving you

like 20 a night. LeBron is giving you 25.

Luka is giving you 30.

That's fine. One of those

guys struggling, the other guys can take

over. Need a little bit better production

consistently from the bench. You got some good minutes tonight, but J.J.
is just going to have to trust Dalton Kinnick. I think the thing is that he loses his way sometimes on the defensive end.
Being around J.J., the little bit I had, working with him at ESPN, he doesn't like that.

He likes students of the game.

He likes smart guys.

Smart guys you can win with, even if they're not the most talented.

Supremely talented guys that doesn't have basketball IQ get your ass beat.

And that frustrates JJ because JJ wasn't the most talented, although he was a great player in college and a really good player in the NBA, he was very smart.

He knew where he was supposed to be,

when he was supposed to be there.

Boom.

He did all the small things right. Very detailed.

Very disciplined.

When you're not supremely

athletic, Ocho, you're not supremely athletic,

you're not 6'8", 6'9".

You gotta do everything right. Or you don't have handles like a Kyrie.
You're not extremely athletic. You're not 6'8", 6'9".
You got to do everything right.

Or you don't have handles like a Kyrie.

You're not quick.

So what other way

can I find a way to get on the court,

stay on the court, and not

cost my team?

And if you look at it, Ocho, I think there's 10 games

left, and you look at 3-8.

There's only 4 games difference.

There's only 4 games difference. Basically, you're four games back.
Denver Nuggets have the same win-loss record as the Lakers, and they're in the three seed. Lakers are four.
Memphis is five. All of them have 28 losses.
And then you got the Clippers, Golden State with 31 losses, which are three games back, and you got Minnesota at 32 losses at a game back of them. So four games separate three through eight, and there's ten games to go.
Right. Ten games to go.
Excuse me, ten games to go. So the rubber got to beat the road.
Something got to give. Yeah.
What's the highest seed, or what do you think is preferable for you as a Laker fan for them? Well, I think the thing is that you want to get some What would be easier for them, best case scenario, to be able to get out of the first round or at least have a chance getting to the second round? Have home court advantage. So you need to be one through four to have home court advantage.
Okay. They're not going to get the one seed because OKC has run away with that.
So the one seed is already entered in stone. Now, could they get the two seed? Yeah, that's a possibility.
They got the Rockets on the schedule. They need to close out this road game strong and then go home and close out that homestand strong.
I can see them three or four.

Right.

Three or four.

So that means if everything remains the same,

that means they get Memphis

in the first round.

Ooh, what you like

about that matchup?

I love that.

Hey, just stay away from OKC.

We need to get some rhythm

before we see OKC.

We need some pressure to mount. Ain't no pressure in the first round.
They need pressure. So you're saying Memphis ain't no pressure? No, not for the Lakers.
I like that matchup against Memphis. But you know who Memphis got over there? Yeah, Ja.
Yeah. Yeah.
I give you Ja, I give you LeBron. Who you taking? Okay.
I you Jha, I give you LeBron. Who you taking? Okay.
Okay. Now, they got Jaron Jackson, who's a DPOY candidate, who made the All-Star game.
Bain has played well in the absence. Jha's nursing a hamstring or something, but he's been up and down.
Now, when he's been in, he's Jha. mean, he's the second pick in the Javs.
He's been an all-star, so you know what he can do. I mean, nobody's surprised just to actually go to a game and watch him and to watch the way he's elevating and the way he can contort his body.
He's special. He's a guy that, you know, I pay my good money to go see because that's what he is.
Look, I basically, if I'm paying my money to come see him, I ain't paying my money to come see him. Damn, how many points you average? He's not interested.
He's got nothing to do with me. John's interesting because he can finish above the rim, got a nice little float game, mid-range shot.
He's gotten better at shooting the set three, but he's fun to watch. I like that matchup.
Do I think they can beat anybody? Yes. In seven games? Absolutely.
Because Luka and LeBron can both take over a game and give you 40. So those two guys, but Nathaniel's Ochoa in the playoffs, your three best guys need to be really good.
Two out of three need to be great. Right.
Damn near every single night. Now, if I'm getting 80 points, 60, if I'm getting 65 to 80 points from my big three, I'm going to need the other six guys because you're not going to go that deep.
Playoff start, you might go nine. As you go further, you reduce that.
But I'm going to need those other nine guys. If those three guys give me eight, I'm going to need those other guys to give me 35.
And they're going to have to get a little bit more production from the bench. Gabe Vincent is shooting the ball a little better.
Penny Smith is doing a little better, but they got to make a decision. What are we going to do at Don Connect? Because he can shoot the three, but he gets lost on defense.
He gives up easy buckets. And I don't know what he...
Something is being lost in translation, Ocho. He's a liability.
Look, Luke ain't playing no defense. Austin Reed bless his heart ain't playing defense.
LeBron can't sit in the chair no more LeBron is mainly a help side defender he does use his body really well guys try to go around him he'll body him up because that's a big man to try to move and so he slows him down like that but LeBron can't sit in the chair and no one expects him to Ojo he's 40 what guy you know played defense at 40? Kobe didn't. Jordan didn't.
I'm talking about historically great players. Even Pippen that didn't play until he was 40, he couldn't slide those feet like he could when he was in his prime.
We understand that because you and I talked about it the other night. The lateral quickness is what you lose as we start to age.
Oh, yeah. So with that being said, Ocho, I like the

Lakers. I believe they can beat anybody in the

Western Conference. Yeah, it'll be a struggle

with OKC.

Oh, you see that

fire?

We still

winning the fire.

So you want to hold up going to the next topic? Ash? Okay. Um, Ocho.
Yo. I don't know if it was this morning or with Tate yesterday.
I'm thinking of this morning. What happened? LeBron went on the Pat McAfee show.
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. He had a lot to say today.
Yeah, that was out of character to him. I've never seen him in that setting before and actually just talking freely like that.
Yeah. So we're going to get to that in just a second while we wait for TJ to connect.
But the Lakers, I'm looking at the Clippers. I think the thing is, Ocho, you're trying to stay out of 7 through 10 because you don't want to play any more games than you have to.
You want rest. And it won't start until the 7, 8, 9, 10 is determined to play and who's going to be 7, who's going to be 8 to that determined.
So you need rest. LeBron James is 40.
He's been playing, he played, what, 38,

39 minutes a night? So he's going to need rest. Any bumps

and bruises, you want to try to get those guys as

healthy as you possibly can. Now, the best thing

about the playoffs, you don't play every other, you

don't play it back-to-back.

I mean, the first game you play

and then you might have a couple of days off and then

you get into the routine, you play it every other day.

Okay, you can live with that.

But you try to get LeBron, LeBron's going to need

as much rest as he possibly can

I don't know. play and then you might have a couple of days off and then you get into the routine and you play it every other day.
Okay, you can live with that. But you try to get LeBron, LeBron's gonna need as much rest as he possibly can because he is 40.
Here's what it is. And so once they determine who they're gonna, if they can secure one of these top six scenes, you avoid the play-in, you get an opportunity to get a couple of days of rest, and then hey, for tomorrow, it's fall to game.

Also, now, LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today,

nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen

A at a basketball game. LeBron

broke his silence on the incidents, referring to

the fallout as a Taylor Swift

tour run for Stephen A.

The beef started

over comments Stephen A

made regarding Bronny. I initially

wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk about it.

We didn't talk about it.

Thank you. The beef started, excuse me, over comments Stephen A made regarding Bronny.
I initially wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk about it.
We didn't talk about it. Y'all didn't hear anything from me for about three weeks ago.
But now LeBron has went on PMAT, and we have to talk about it now. LeBron said he hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A has reacted to the situation.
He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now. It started off with, I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out, I feel, this is LeBron talking, I need to address it.
He completely missed the whole point. The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not allow people to talk about his sport and criticize players about what they do.
This is your job to criticize or to a position where the guy's not performing, you know. That's all a part of the game.
But when you take it and you get personal with it, it's not my job to not only protect my damn household, but protect the players. He's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it because I know he's going to be happy as hell.
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Hey. I wish Stephen A.
would just left it alone. Once he addressed it, once it happened, the first time, address it, this is what happened.
He came over to me, said what he said. I want to address it now and I'm going to be done with it.
Right. Because as my grandma used to say, boy, stirring up old-ish, it still smells.
So every time Stephen A. talks about it, it stirs it up again.
Yeah. And look, I see both sides of the equation, but Stephen A.
just need to let it go. He needs to let it go, and now you're like, well, if he'd hit it, I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you.
LeBron was coming to tell you, bro, just stop talking about my son. He said, because you said, as a father, now you're making it personal.
You're making it personal because now you're making it seems, and this is how LeBron, I think, took it. You're making it seem that I'm not a good father, that I'm not putting myself in, putting my son in a position to be successful.
And so you're like, you're pushing this. And so LeBron took it a certain way.
And am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly? Because LeBron is a very private person. Yes, sir.
He might have an issue with someone and you will never never know it. You will never know it, yeah.
You will never know it. And so for him to do that at a game, and it wasn't after the game, it wasn't before the game, it was the third quarter during the timeout, lets you know how upset he was at Stephen A and what Stephen A had been saying.
But at this point in time, I understand LeBron, they asked LeBron about this, but if I'm Stephen A, hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He said what he said.
I understood his point. I said what I said.
Now it's time to move on. Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court.

But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it ad nauseum.

I feel we've talked about it enough, and now it's time to move on.

That's what I wish Stephen A. would do.

But like you said, I mean, look, I get it.

That's LeBron James.

It's the biggest name in pro-North American sport.

And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click and hear what you have to say about him. But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a little bit, I don't know him as well as a lot of people do.
That man loves his family. He's going to protect his family now.
Always, always. And I think when you think about it, and you go back to the way things happen with LeBron actually addressing Stephen A courtside,

is, well, what Stephen A said,

obviously was said publicly,

on a public forum, on TV, so he addressed it the exact same way,

publicly, courtside in the middle of a game.

Yes, yes.

As a father, you know, and like Stephen A said, he understood where LeBron was coming from. Knowing Stephen A, I think in the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today.
I'm sure Stephen A is going to respond to that. He did.
Think about it. Anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer to whatever is being said.
That's just him. And it's always been him.
I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's not how this is going to go. The only thing I would have said with Stephen A, look, I know people are going to be like, man, LeBron should have stolen on you.
LeBron should have did this. Man, they just talking.
Steven and me, you the same. I'm about to be

57. You're about to be 58.

That ain't even your MO.

Right. You ain't gonna fight

nobody. LeBron wasn't gonna

swing on you and you wasn't gonna

LeBron wasn't gonna swing

on you so there would have been no need for you to

swing on him. I'm glad you guys

stood there and y'all talked. Look,

he said what he said. You seem to

be receptive at the time of it.

You said you understood

Thank you. swing on him.
I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talked. Look, he said what he said.
You seem to be receptive at the time of it.

You said you understood

because he was speaking to you as a

father and not LeBron James, the

basketball player. And seemingly

you said you understood that.

Let it go now. Let it go now.

Look, I mean, I had

issues. I remember I had a conversation with Kevin

Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix

and I walked into the hotel

I was like damn

that's KG

and he said oh let me holler at you right quick

I said what's up okay

you know I'm like damn

I ain't get no dab no dab

he said let me holler at you right quick

he said what's up bro

he said man what's it

you got beef with me you don't like me or something I said, what's up, bro? He said, man, what's it? What it is? You got beef with me?

You don't like me or something?

I said, no, why you say that?

He said, man, the way you talk.

I said, KD, bro, I'm passionate.

I say, any topic that we discuss on that show, I'm very, very passionate.

I've spent a lot of time researching it, and I'm very, very careful to what I say.

I said, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I said, I don't

know you personally. All I talk about

is what you do on the court.

That's it. Whatever

you may or may not do off the court,

I don't give a damn.

I said,

you can ask your mom. I've had, I've

talked to your mom ad nauseum.

She used to come on the show. I've seen

that event. I said, KD, it ain't no

like or dislike. I said, I'm just passionate about

topic, bro. I said, I ain't got no,

I don't dislike anybody because I don't know anybody to dislike them. It's not like me and Oak when I used to hang out with Oak.
Yeah. Oak used to run Charles Oakley.
Charles Oakley used to run on track with us. Oak used to come to the gym and work out with me.
Oak and I used to go out to Houston's.

That was his favorite restaurant.

The N-word always got the cheese toast.

Me and Oak have a relationship.

I pick up on the call for Oak.

I say, I don't know any of these current players like that.

I say, but I'm just passionate about topics.

I say, bro, I ain't no like or dislike.

I said, but if I probably didn't let, if I didn't like you, you'd know it.

Right.

He said, all right.

He said, man, I just, he said, I just, you know.

I said, cool, bro.

I said, I ain't got no problem with you.

I said, anytime.

He said, hey, here, give me your phone.

We exchanged numbers, left it at that.

He saw I was at the game the other,

last year,

a couple of years ago,

I took my daughter

to the first,

well,

it might have been this year.

Nah,

it was two years ago.

But anyway,

had to talk to,

hey,

talk to him on the bench,

laugh and talk.

I ain't got no problem

with nobody on show.

And I'm not trying to go

for bad or nothing like that.

But that ain't how I am.

Right.

I think when guys see me, they know

I ain't all about that, man.

I'm just cool. I just want to vibe,

have a good old time. But like I

said, I appreciate

instead of him like, you know,

brill on Twitter and

the internet trying to blow it up.

Hey, somebody got a problem with me? Just

come to me.

Just come to me. I ain't got no problem.
I talk to

anybody, anybody, anywhere about

anything. You got a problem with me? Just, hey, come to me.
Right. Just come to me.
I ain't got no problem.

I talk to anybody, anybody, anywhere about anything.

You got a problem with what I said?

Oh, oh, oh, oh, why you said that?

Sharp, why you said that?

Right.

This is why I said that.

Go ahead.

Right.

And you know what I do like, though?

I'm not sure how the people in the chat feel, but I enjoy,

when you talk about Kevin Durant, players of that magnitude, elite players. I mean, obviously, we talk about one of the greatest scorers of all time.
I love the way Kevin Durant uses social media. I love the way he's so accessible to the people to be the star that he is with LeBron and allowing himself to be vulnerable.
What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before. What he did on the Pat McAfee show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually just being vulnerable, talking about everything.
I really, really enjoyed that because that's something from LeBron that obviously I've never seen before. And I really, really enjoyed that.
And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that. Be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible.
And I mean, it was just enjoyable. It was enjoyable to see him outside that normal setting of not being viewed as the king, if that makes sense.
Well, most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're only going to give you so much.

They're going to allow you to see so much of what they want you to see.

If you look at all the great players, they've always been very, very guarded.

They're not going to totally let you inside, especially while they're a current player.

But back to this LeBron and Pat McAfee.

Like you said, Ocho, we're not used to seeing LeBron James sit down for an extended period of time.

normally, like, when he's in the finals or he's in the playoffs, he would

Thank you. Pat McAfee.
Like you said, Ocho, we're not used to seeing LeBron James sit down for an extended period of time. Normally, when he's in the finals or he's in the playoff, he would sit down.
That's like 10 minutes. And it's always basketball related too, huh? It's always basketball related.
He's literally talking about other stuff going on in life. He's being vulnerable.
Let people in. Something he's never, never ever done before.
Players like that of his magnitude, of his status that allows the world and the public to see what he wants you to, to actually sit down for a change. I guarantee you if they were to do the numbers on how many people watch that Pat McAfee show, I bet it's astronomical.
Crazy. Because it's something he's never done.
Right. And, you know, like you said, to see him, but that just lets you know that he, for me, looking at him, considering that he had ever, ever done anything like this before, now think about how many people have criticized him.
Yeah. And he's never, ever done it before.
So that lets you know he had gotten to a place that he's like, I've had it up to here. Yeah.
And I don't know if he knew, I don't think he knew Stephen A was going to come to the game, but he had it in his mind. If he ever saw Stephen A, he was going to step to him But um He got Stephen A number He gotta text or call him

If there was an issue

You're gonna text or call him

They communicate with each other

Obviously they have some

Some

Some

Some sort of relationship

No they don't

You don't think so?

No

Okay

Well my bad

No

Thank you. you don't think so no okay well my bad no but like you said i mean what do you mean no they don't now as opposed no i don't i don't think they've ever had an relationship where they pick up the phone and they talk to each other like that oh i don't think they've ever had that type of relationship.
Do I think they've been cordial to each other? I remember I think I saw something on an old clip, maybe with YouTube where Stephen actually sat down and he interviewed LeBron. But I don't think they're in a situation where they like pick up the phone.
They have each other. They can call each other like that.
I don't know if LeBron is maybe teammates. And it could.
I could be wrong. I could be wrong.
I could be totally wrong. But I don't know if LeBron is maybe teammates.
And it could. I could be wrong.

I could be wrong. I could be totally wrong.

But I don't know if LeBron has his number or he has

LeBron's number. LeBron

is, you know, very, very, very

LeBron rocked with

who he rocked with. And I think once you get to

this level, if you

haven't developed a friend by

now, LeBron James ain't letting you in his circle.

Right. It's really that

simple. So he got his

Thank you. this level, if you haven't developed a friend by now, LeBron James ain't letting you in his circle.

Right.

It's really that simple.

So he got his friends.

You know, Rich is his agent.

Maverick is his chief of staff.

Mav is one of his business partners.

I'm trying to think who else he runs.

Chris Paul.

He's very close to Chris Paul.

I think he's the godfather

to run a CP3 that I think

advice burns on the same thing with CP.

But other than that, I don't think LeBron

has a whole lot of what we

call... I look

at those guys like I look at Bucket

like I look at Bucket and Burns.

He ain't got a whole lot

of Bucket and Burns in his life. You ain't

got a whole lot of, you know, TJ, your

boy, you rock with TJ,

T.O. You ain't got a whole lot of Bucket and Burns in his life.
You ain't got a whole lot of, you know, TJ, your boy, you rock with TJ, T.O., you ain't got a whole lot of them. Yeah, nah.
And I look at LeBron, and I think LeBron is kind of like that. But hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, everybody's made their point.
Yeah. LeBron was upset with what he said.
Steve and they said what I was trying to say. Sometimes things get lost in translation.
It is what it is. But at the end of the day, I think we've got a lot of juice.
I think both have kind of squeezed that orange JoJo. Yeah.
And got a lot of juice out of it. And then LeBron took a aim at Wendy.
Brian Windhorst said, this guy says he's my best effing friend. These guys are just weird.
I don't know if Wendy's ever said. I think Wendy went to the same school he went to Ocho.
I don't think he did. I don't think.
I've never heard. And I could be wrong.
Guys, hell, I was on Undisputed for seven years. I didn't hear everything Wendy said.
As a matter of fact, I didn't watch anything on Anywhere. All I watched was the games that were on ESPN.
I don't watch any other debate shows. I don't watch any other shows that do what I do and I'm going to be talking about something because I don't want what they say to creep in what I'm going to say.
So I don't watch it. So Wendy, Chad, if he said that he was LeBron's best friend, I apologize.
But I don't recall. And if I misspeak, I apologize to you guys.
But I don't believe Wendy has said that he's LeBron's best friend. I think because he's covered LeBron for so long, and I think they went to the same school, St.
Vincent St. Mary.
He said, I think he said, I might probably know him better than anyone else. But I don't get why he would say that about Wendy.
Man, you never know. Like I said, LeBron is probably fed up.
He's on I'm not saying he's on the way out the door, but he's on the tail end of everything. And now he's opening up a little bit more, doing things out of character that he normally wouldn't do, which is giving the people what they want.
Letting us in, giving us a glimpse of what's inside the world and mind of LeBron King James. And I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it. I hope he does more of it.
I hope other athletes do more of it. You know what? I wish LeBron was like Jeff T.
Have you ever sat and listened to him tell stories? Yeah. LeBron, it would be an honor for him to take a page out of Jeff T's's book and be that blown open and open and just, just, just give it, just give it to stories.
I would love that. Yeah.
Uh, LeBron talked about his relationship with MJ while he still has a misrespect for Jordan. The pair don't talk much these days.
I think that would change when he retires from NBA saying Jordan intense competitive spirit is why the two don't talk much. Now we all know MJ, even if you don't know him personally, he's one of the most ruthless competitors there is.
And until I'm done and he doesn't have to look at me, run up and down that court wearing the 23, every time my name is mentioned, it's mentioned with his, he's like, I don't want to effing talk to you. Do you agree Ocho? I mean, that's's dope.
That's dope. Listen, that's the competitor, the competitor nature in MJ.
I think it's understandable, especially when it comes to him. I think he's not closed off, but MJ and Kobe are alike, in a sense.
MJ and Kobe are alike, in a sense. I think their relationship will be much better and a lot closer once LeBron is done playing they go play golf together smoke cigars have a little wine whatever it is that they do but right now while LeBron is actively playing I don't think him and MJ just outside of playing the game of basketball and being a successful businessman, there's

not much for them to talk about right now.

The only friend I know Jordan got is Oak.

I mean, Oak is his guy.

Now, I've been around Jordan a little bit, and he is ultra, ultra competitive.

First thing I've been, I mean, hey, you want to play cards?

No, I don't want to play cards.

Because, you know, Jordan games, you got to come down with at least 100 grand, 200 grand in cash. Oh, yeah, he don't want to play cards because you know Jordan games you got to come down with at least 100 grand 200 grand in cash he do not play I said bro you're not finna have me living on the streets I love my house it ain't Jordan but I ain't trying to keep up with you no I don't play no $5,000 no $50,000000 a hand.
Hell no. Woo.
No, bro, bro. Guess what? As long as they make shoes with that logo, you got money coming in.
I ain't in the NFL no more. I ain't got no more money coming in.
You know, I was 35 then. I can draw my pension at 62.
So I got another five years before I can get that old chope before I take a penalty. Hell no, I gambling with you as a matter of fact I'm mad you asked me that you know damn well I ain't got no money nah I'ma let you I'ma let you cause I think they play guts it's kinda like Boo Ray you ever play Boo Ray? No, sir.
No, sir. No, sir.

Or in between.

But nah, hell nah.

He also, LeBron talked about Giannis on PMAC.

You tried to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to play in the NBA games in the 70s.

Giannis would have had 250 points in a game in the 70s.

But let me ask you.

See, you're transporting Giannis today back then.

Right.

Do y'all really know what they did?

Did y'all see those fights?

How many people

got to go down the lane?

See,

the stuff that they called,

they called a foul now,

there wasn't no foul.

There was nobody

getting suspended

for slapping an ish

out of somebody.

There was no,

I mean,

there was no,

I mean,

what did,

uh,

uh,

uh,

uh,

Karl Malone

put 44 stitches in Nazeel's head?

You still think you want to come down the lane?

Yeah.

Do y'all remember the finals in 84?

When Larry Bird, when, who was that?

Kevin McHale snatched Kurt Rambis' hands out the sky?

Yeah, yeah.

And it wasn't a flagrant, it wasn't nothing?

If nobody was suspended, you can't take the modern play, because, Ocho, you're talking about technology, and you're talking about the modernization. Yes, if you transform Giannis today and put him back then, looking out as, what player couldn't? What player, if I take you today, you know what you know, and the technology that you you've been able to develop and put you back in the 70s man Ocho will kill it yes yeah modernization that's unfair just like it's unfair one more thing Ocho just like it's unfair to say oh man the Jordan played today he averaged 50 let's how about this let's leave everybody in the era in which they played in Giannis plays in the 2010s and 2020s LeBron has been in the 2000s the 2010s and now the 2020s let's leave everybody that because it's unfair yeah Yeah.
It's unfair. Look, I get it.
And it's a conversation, but come on, because we're not being fair to the guys that played in that era. That was great.
Right. Because it's almost like if you talk about these guys, like you're trying to minimize them.
And I get mad at the old guys for trying to minimize the current players. Guys, you were great.
Nobody's trying to rob you of that. You were great.
These guys are great. The guys in the 60s, that were great.
The guys in the 70s were great. Guys in the 80s.
Right. But it's unfair, Ocho.
Yeah. I mean, listen, I understand what LeBron was saying.
Obviously, he is exaggerated a little bit. But if you look at the players from back then, I know just being honest, from a technical standpoint, from a physical standpoint, I know what they did in between the lane and being physical and, you know, slapping and punching and all that.
But you're thinking about Giannis and Giannis today. Oh my goodness.
It's called technology, Ocho. You got an opportunity to work on things.
Guys didn't have modern medicine. They didn't have technology.
Think about when you ruptured Achilles. You were done.
You tore a knee. You were done.
You had that big-ass bulky knee brace, that big Dunjoy on.

It's different now.

We got modern medicine.

We know how to eat.

We know how to train.

We have personal trainers.

And Bizio, those guys in the 60s and 70s and 80s,

didn't have the money to have all of this stuff.

Right.

But Brian, when you're making $50 million in basketball

and another $75, $80 million off the court, you can have a chef that prepares every meal to your specifications. You can have a physio.
You can have a Mike Macias as LeBron, as, excuse me, as Jordan had Tim Grover. Tim and I, Tim and I, we still, we text a lot now.
But it's different. It's not fair that you try to compare this era to that era or that era to this era.
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In 2022, the playoffs, no Chris Middleton. In 2023, Giannis plays two out of five games.
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Dame is out indefinitely.

Should the Bucs be thankful that Giannis had all-time finals run in 2022?

I mean, 2021.

Because it seemed like ever since then, at some point in time,

a key player has been injured.

Chris Middleton was injured.

Then there was a couple of years that Giannis was injured, and then you had Giannis and Dane both injured, and now Dame is injured. And the Bucs are not going anywhere with just Giannis.
First of all, he's not going to be at the Cavs without him, and he's not going to be able to beat the Celtics. Damn, hell, he wasn't going to probably be able to beat the Celtics with Dame.
With Dame. Let alone with alone with him.
But I'm not so sure they can beat the Knicks without Dane. The days of one guy dominating a series and winning the whole, that's over.
You forget all about that. Yeah.
I mean, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate.
Obviously, it's very, very serious. When Mayama has something similar to this, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know if the diagnosis is exactly the same, but obviously it's a blood clot.
I'm glad they were able to catch it. It sucks.
It sucks for the Bucks. It sucks for the organization.
And it most definitely sucks for Damien Litter and his family. I'm hoping a speedy recovery for him.
Especially something like this. It's very, very serious, especially when it comes to Oh yeah, you're on blood thinners.
You'll probably be on blood thinners the rest of his life. Man.
Man, that sucks, man. I hope he gets better fast, man.
The Lakers fall to the magic 109-98. The Lakers win three with three losses in a row.
They lost seven out of their last ten ballgames. They lost to Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Denver.
Then they won three straight. Beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver.
Then they lost another three straight. Milwaukee, Chicago, and Orlando.
The Lakers bench was outscored 30-14, which was an issue. The Lakers got to do a better job of guarding.
Watch this game from start to finish. They're just not guarding.
They're just not guarding. Now look, they're about a year or two away.
Orlando, Paulo Boncaro, and Ron Wagner, oh, they legit. Oh, they legit legit.
Yeah. They legit legit.
Boncaro had 30, Wagner had 32, and then they got, Black came up the bench and gave him 17, but they are legit. The Lakers got to do a better job of defending.
It's really that simple. They didn't shoot the ball well.
They shot about 46%. They shot 28 free throws.
The free throw was pretty close. 10 of 32 from the three-point line.
The difference was Orlando shot damn near 50% from the floor. You're not going to beat a team if you allow them to

shoot 50% from the floor.

But everything was really

close. I mean, Orlando

had 43 rebounds, 12 offensive.

The Lakers had 39, 11

offensive. But the only difference I could

really see, Ojo, was

that third quarter got them again.

The Lakers had a two-point lead at the half

and then they get outscored in the third quarter by about 14, 16, and it's the third quarter again. JJ's going to have to put some different buttons because they come out lackadaisical, and they let the team go on a run, and it's hard to reattach yourself to them when they get a streak like that.
But give Orlando credit. They won.
As a matter of fact, they stopped Cleveland. They went on the road.
Cleveland had a 16-17 game win streak. They went into their building and they won.
So they're better than their record would indicate. But the problem was Van Carroll got hurt at one point in time.
Wagner got hurt at one point in time. So they haven't been able to play an extended period of time together.
But this is a good team. Don't let their record fool you.
But the Lakers have to be disappointed. They got to play better.
They're in fourth spot right now. They're two and a half, I think, two and a half games out of the second spot.
But tonight, again, it was defense. They gave up 146 Saturday night, and they gave up 118 tonight.

And they had been playing really, really good defense up until that point.

Okay.

Now, with everything that you said, they're in fourth, right?

They lost tonight.

You understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having,

the inconsistencies.

They want to run.

You're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third quarter.

I don't know. you understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies they want to run you're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third quarter, allowing teams always going to run now think about everything you just said I want your honest answer, your honest opinion is it still Lakers in five? Lakers in five Lakers in five look that's fixable look that's fixable Ocho that's something like look guys we've got to do a better job of defending and you can't guys can't get broken down off the first dribble right you get broken down in the first dribble now you're compromised because help's coming and now they swing the ball they're getting wide open threes or they're getting uncontested layups so you can't get broken down in the first dribble, now you're compromised because help's coming, and now they swing the ball, they're getting wide-open threes, or they're getting uncontested layups.
So you can't get broken down off the first dribble. They got outscored 34-18 in the third quarter.
I mean, there's no way should a Lakers team that got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter. Yeah.
And if you only score 18, you better make sure they don't score more than 22. Mm-hmm.
Because if you do that, and I get it, the Lakers, I think they played, what, seven games? At one point in time, they had seven games in 10 days. But we don't do excuses here.
You either win or you lose. There's a very short, on sports menu at my restaurant, the only thing I got on my menu is dubs and L's.
That's all you can order. You can't order excuses because I don't serve it.
So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better in the third quarter. They're going to have to find a better way to defend because this is not acceptable.
This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses.

Dorian Finney-Smith, minus six.

LeBron, minus 17.

Jackson Hayes, minus 10.

Luka, minus nine.

Austin Reeves, minus seven.

Every starter was minus.

Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus.

That's not good enough.

You can't win like that.

There's no way around it. You can't win like that.
And when you take Jackson Hayes out, Braun is basically playing the five. Too small of a lineup.
Yeah. I mean, maybe the last two, three minutes, four minutes of a ball game, you can run this lineup, but not when they go in Banque, not when they go in Banque, not when they go in Bancaro, not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in Franz Wagner.
It's too small.

It's just too small.

Redick admitted

the Lakers look tired tonight.

We weren't able to sustain the level

of intensity we started the game with. They did.

They scored 30 in the first quarter, 30

in the second quarter, 60.

They had a two-point lead, 60 to 58 in the

half. But then again, out of the

third quarter, here come Orlando. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And there you go. Same quarter every time.
Maybe they play some different music at the half, huh? They need to do something, because this ain't getting it done. This ain't getting it done.
What's their record? So that's 50, that's 61, that's 71 games. They only got 11 games left, Ocho.
Yeah. You're supposed to be gearing up.
You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit on, because at one point they were like 18 and 3 at 0, won a bunch of games.
You don't want to be sliding going into the playoffs. You don't want to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs.
But this performance was unacceptable. And Don Kinnick only played five minutes.
But I think a lot of that has to do with his defense intensity. I mean, he needs to understand.
I mean, he just gets lost. And I can tell J.J.
doesn't like minimal mistakes. Yeah.
That hurts him because he's a perfectionist. And he wants guys like guys.
We went over this. That's why I couldn't coach.
We went over this. The guy comes.
Okay, you stay on that guy. Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy on a wide open three.
So Lakers got some problems. Nothing they can't solve.
They got, what, three more games on this road trip? I think they got a four-game road trip before they turn back to the crib. Oh, I know that hurt.
I know those road trips back to bed. Indiana? Yeah they got they got they got a way they got they got they got three more games on the road Ocho before they turn return home they need to play better than what they played tonight or what they definitely what they played against the Bulls yeah they picked right up where they left off not playing defense.
They started with great intensity in the first half

but that waned in the third quarter

and that was really

the undoing of them.