Club 520 - Spencer Dinwiddie & Jeff Teague on Luka Doncic-Anthony Davis trade, playing with LeBron

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Speaker 3 all right man we back another episode of club 520 podcast i'm the host my name is dj wells special special guest in the building to my left we're going to introduce my man's last. It's my far left.

Speaker 3 We got my dog, Bishop B. He and out the Prairie League.
How you what, nasty? What's up, my boy? Let's get to it, man.

Speaker 3 No, Smith. Listen, I know you've been in the league and seeing shoes your whole life.
Have you ever seen the Black Forces with the White Laces? Nah.

Speaker 3 Nah, not promoted on the front of the podcast like that either. Nah, yeah, it's the frontline soldier shit, bro.

Speaker 3 What you about? 13? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I got you, bro.

Speaker 3 I know you're from L.A. You ain't signed the vans, are you? Nah, nah.

Speaker 3 361. Don't worry about it.
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I signed niggas to 720 deals over here. You want me to say?

Speaker 3 But you got Mike on there. Yeah, that's my artist over there.
Yeah, 720. What's my 720? Whatever he'll give him the first 360, he catches it on the back.

Speaker 3 Foot show to my right. My dog, Young Nacho.
Young T, how you what? I'm chilling, bro. What's cool and nasty? Let's get to it.

Speaker 3 That's my artist.

Speaker 3 You're a fuck nigga.

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The brand, I love them. They always show love to me.

Speaker 3 So happy to be able to get a package from them. Always going to support, for sure.
For sure, man. Got the early drop.
Freaky Mike said they need to tap in. He needs his size 12s as well.

Speaker 3 We're going to get you worked out for that, man. Yeah.

Speaker 3 For sure, man. But last but certainly not least, man, to my left, man.
11-year vet, man. LA's finest.
One of the biggest plays in eBay contract history. We're going to talk about it, man.

Speaker 3 We got Smither Danwoody. Big dog.
Appreciate you pulling up, man. No, thank you for having me, brother.
The man.

Speaker 3 Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 The man. Come on, we tap in, man.
Let's go, man. We do our research.
Yeah, man. A little bit, man.
For sure. LA's finest.
Man, first, it's Marsh Madison, man. We know Colorado.

Speaker 3 How's it feel being an alumni of Colorado? And y'all turned up for football like that, man. Oh, no, that shit was hard.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 It brought life to the city. We didn't expect it because when I was there, they won like two games in a year.
Like, they were awful. Damn.

Speaker 3 A long time. What year did you come out out of there or go there? Where did you go in?

Speaker 3 Went there in 2011. Okay.
Left in 14. So.
Oh, yeah. They was cool.
Yeah, they was cool.

Speaker 3 They won two games here right before Deion got there, didn't they?

Speaker 3 Yeah, their lineage was a little bit dirty for sure, but I couldn't imagine you was killing on campus and they was coming to the same time. That's a hell of a type of recruitment to pull up there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, nah, we was uh we were the team, like on campus and stuff. So like when I was there, it was basketball school.
That's crazy. What made you choose Colorado?

Speaker 3 I mean, basically, like, I want to go to Pac-12 because I really want to go to USC, but they didn't offer me. So, UCLA was kind of like, all right, we'll just take you.
And,

Speaker 3 yeah, I didn't want to go to Harvard because of basketball. So, ah, okay.
That's why it happened. Who else was recruiting you back then? So, you from LA, right?

Speaker 3 You're saying, we talk about high school, LA, historic high school. You played some killers in high school? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 3 I mean, Larry Drew went to my high school, so he was McDonald's all-American. Shout out to Larry Drew.
I mean, obviously, you play all the guys, Drew, DeMar, BJ,

Speaker 3 Brandon Jennings. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Shout out to Brandon.

Speaker 3 I fuck with BJ.

Speaker 3 You taking high school BJ. No, high school BJ was nice.
Nice.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, respect. He was nice.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't know.
Hey, I just, I think Brandon Jennings. You played with a killer that I know.

Speaker 3 I was talking about earlier to them. Don't believe the hype.

Speaker 3 DeAndre Daniels. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, Brandon.

Speaker 3 Un, baby.

Speaker 3 I couldn't remember his name, but I'm like, I remember he was a cold wing. Bryce Jones went to the Pelicans.
Yeah, bro.

Speaker 3 In high school, like, he went crazy in AAU, bro. I think he was like a top 10 player in the country.
Something like that. Yeah.
Yeah. I know what that is.

Speaker 3 Our team, the three of us, he was the best one. Nah, for sure.
Because he was like, what, 6'5? No, he was bigger than that. Like, 6'9.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I remember that name.
I remember him.

Speaker 3 He was cold, bro.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Especially in high school.
Did he play in the big three last year? I don't know.

Speaker 3 Maybe I'm between 2020. Nah, bro.
DeAndre Daniels.

Speaker 3 Almost like a Christian Wood kind of. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I got a looking. That's a fact.
Christian Wood, man. I just remember he used to go on the AAU circuit.
He made a name for himself, bro. For sure.
I'm going to look at it. For sure, for sure.
For sure.

Speaker 3 Man, having that much time to high school is crazy. So, yeah, y'all was definitely getting the looks, but you said you wanted to stay in the Pac-12.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 No, like, so I had like most of the Pac-12 offers. Most of the California school offers, but I really wanted to go to USC because that's like where my mom, my brother went, and all that.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And they were the only one that didn't offer me.

Speaker 3 It's crazy. It is crazy how that works because they were ass too.
It wasn't good.

Speaker 3 UCLA was the good one. How do I get off from the good school and not offer him the bad school? It don't make no sense.
Oh, well, they probably just take you to the bottom.

Speaker 3 Because DeMar was what year was DeMar? Oh, oh, nine.

Speaker 3 He was gone. You know what I'm saying? He was gone.
But I'm just thinking like the guys that... Came after that.
And I can't think of nobody. Yeah, they were bad.
Yeah, I'm thinking of a stretch.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, because Butch was gone too.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 that was tough. That's a tough.
I mean, I mean, who else was cold at that time, though, in high school with you?

Speaker 3 Was anybody else getting recruited over you? Marcus was cold. Shout out to Moo.

Speaker 3 You Marcus class? Yeah, 10-11. I was

Speaker 3 like 150th in their class. So, yeah, Ann Davis, Gilchris, Marcus,

Speaker 3 Austin Rivers.

Speaker 3 That's a hell of a best shit. I was saying

Speaker 3 who else was out west? Those is all that's on our side.

Speaker 3 Sorry, Jahee Carson was out west. He went to Arizona State, right? Yeah.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 Arizona. Jabari Brown, Oregon.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Oh, why didn't you go to Oregon? They weren't fucking with you? Because of that, basically. Oh.
Yeah, no, I had Oregon too, though. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 Dude, dude, it was nice to play with Oakland Soldiers. I know who you're talking about.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 damn. Damn, y'all had Brad Bill in that class.
I used to go to all them AAU games. Who'd you play AU for? Pump and Run.
Pump and Run. Oh, yeah.
Solid. Yeah, Pump and Run.

Speaker 3 I know they had the Lopez Twins. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Who was in school? Yeah. Death Penalty Two.

Speaker 3 Damn. For the tickets or whatever.
With pants for shit.

Speaker 3 Oh, wow. Oh, damn.
Eight years ago or something like that. See?

Speaker 3 Dirty game. Bill Supper's still chilling.
Shout out to Bill Supp.

Speaker 3 The game is the game.

Speaker 3 It's a wicked game, man. Bill Show.
Got it, bro. Since we talk about college, you know, coming out, LA kid, what you think your NIL would have been going to next school?

Speaker 3 What do you think you would have got?

Speaker 3 I don't think my NIL would have been crazy going to Colorado after your sophomore year. Being in Colorado, though? Yeah.
Oh, it'd have been stupid. Do you think the freshman year?

Speaker 3 Do you think you would have transferred after your freshman year? Because you had a good freshman year. Yeah, it depends on the bag.
That nigga would have went to USC.

Speaker 3 It would have depended on the bag. Like, so I was like runner up to Tony Rodin.
Yeah. That's cold, too.
Shout out to Tony Roden. Yeah.
He had a much better year, so he deserved it. But

Speaker 3 yeah, I mean, they were selling my jersey. They were selling like mustache gear because I didn't have a goatee at the time.

Speaker 3 I was like a little kid and they were selling mustache gear in the student store all type so like oh yeah no no no it would have been stupid dumb that's crazy seeing the kid was aj dabanza getting seven million dollars that's crazy how would that affect you like you know because you you you different from most of us bro you you tapped in cryptocurrency all that i'm just gonna we'll get to that but i'm saying how would that affect you as a you know student athlete if they would have liked to offer you seven million dollars would that affect your mind going to the league or you'd have been like shit seven million i'm cool

Speaker 3 i think because i wanted to go to the league yeah i'd have been still driven i think like that might have changed how i approached like post injury type vibe okay i might have got hurt and been like you know what

Speaker 3 yeah it's all facts before that though i'd have been like nah like i still want to go to the league like it's a dream of mine like you know how it is when you're a kid like Even when you get in some hype or whatever, like you so laser focused, like, yo, like, I still want to go to the league.

Speaker 3 So, like, all that shit don't really matter. So,

Speaker 3 you know, but once you get hurt, it ain't really working out, or whatever.

Speaker 3 Like, my first two years in the league, just sitting on the bench watching, I might have been like, I got 10 mil over here, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 3 but I was still broke.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's real. That's a fact.
Real shit.

Speaker 3 Hey, people don't know. We were just before you came here, we was talking about your rookie year.
Yeah, you still broke, bro. You, and now they tell me my budget was $3,000.
What was yours? A month.

Speaker 3 Mine? It's probably close to like $10,000.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. We're talking.
Hold on, we're not including bills. Oh, no, no, no.
It's like for you just to have. Oh, probably something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, damn, 10.
What the fuck?

Speaker 3 What the fuck? Where were you at? Damn, Detroit. No, I was in Detroit.
But I was saying,

Speaker 3 I am. I've been wearing some money.
Shack, boy. So you got rent and other stuff you got to do.
Yeah, no, we were talking about

Speaker 3 exclude rent. Oh, nah.
Like, car pays for that. That's how you live.
We were just saying, just like.

Speaker 3 We were saying just for like, just for like for you to

Speaker 3 know and buy some extra clothes to eat, do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 I was wearing team gear then. I was wearing bands then.
So it might have even been a little bit less than three, to be honest. Okay.

Speaker 3 Like, I was putting, I was thinking about like, you know, rent, car,

Speaker 3 like any other little stuff you got to do. Like, um, but yeah, no, when I got in the league, my minimum was 500,000.
So, like, I was back before inflation and LeBron James got a new TV deal.

Speaker 3 So that's a fact.

Speaker 3 I wasn't getting no money. Was that your parents, or more so, you, like, giving you the game on how to treat your bread?

Speaker 3 i mean both i mean my parents stressed like saving and stuff you know when you don't have like real money like that you don't know so i don't know if they necessarily knew but like you know it's just about like don't blow it yeah so i was real basic i mean this is how it's been real the whole time that's hard nothing wrong with that they know who you are you ain't gotta show it that's how i always felt but no that's true that's real obviously did your thing caurado you get injured how's that draft process like you talked about immensely a little bit how was that whole entire process and then then actually getting to the nbi accomplishing your dream uh

Speaker 3 yeah so i got hurt what junior year middle of the junior year from acl and like a whole bunch of other stuff oh yeah now so basically the draft was just a whole lot of like meetings and watching yeah you know do nothing because i couldn't work out yeah so yeah i met with all the teams like did medical had like 5 000 mri's like all the same questions all the same stuff And I knew I probably wasn't going in the first round because it like got hurt.

Speaker 3 So because I was like edging into the lottery when I was playing.

Speaker 3 And yeah, so I just sat there at home and waited to hear my name called.

Speaker 3 First piece of adversity was I thought I had a promise a little bit before I ended up getting picked in the second round. So I fell a couple spots, but it wasn't nothing crazy.

Speaker 3 But like what made you go to the like, because I had a similar thing happen to me, not to your extreme. I didn't turn my ACL, but I had a grade three MCL sprain in the draft process.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So like my dad freaked out like, yo, you got to go go back to school. Look, what made you just like, yo, I'm going to the league anyway?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I didn't know nothing about the league, right? And I ain't, nobody had went before. So I didn't know how much like connections mattered and workflows mattered.

Speaker 3 I was just like, I'm nice. I'm done with school.
They're going to draft me somewhere. I'm going to heal up.
I'm going to be whoever's in front of me and we'll just figure it out.

Speaker 3 I'm not really thinking like, oh, because you're a second rounder. They ain't investing you.
They're not going to play you.

Speaker 3 I'm not knowing nothing about the business. I'm just like,

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm ready. Um, I'm not doing this again because I want to leave my sophomore year.
My dad told me to go back because you know, I had like that's when I heard of you, a sophomore year, yeah.

Speaker 3 So, I had like USA team lined up, and

Speaker 3 like all this stuff. And they're like,

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Speaker 3 Oh, you're like, maybe lottery, late first round pickup, but you'll be like full blown, like lottery, maybe even squeak to round 10 type vibe if you go back. So again, that's not knowing nothing.

Speaker 3 He's like, go back. I'm like, all right, whatever.
So I go back, obviously get hurt And so fall. But in my mind, I'm like, I just play all these dudes at Adidas Nations.
I just played them all.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm not thinking I'm not going to come back. I'm like, man, whatever.
I'm going to be good. Like, I'm going to go to the team.
I'm going to be whoever's in front of me and I'm going to play.

Speaker 3 I'm thinking he's like merit-based.

Speaker 3 This is the business. It's not like business, man.
Not at all. But I seen you at Adidas Nations.
It was just crazy.

Speaker 3 Because I was with Adidas. So

Speaker 3 I used to go there. Shout out to Jerry.
Go see all that. So So I seen him.
I seen the Dame Lillards. I seen them.
I seen all these guys.

Speaker 3 So it's just, it's kind of crazy when I seen you go to the league. And I'm fast forwarding it because you went to, obviously, you went to Detroit first, but when Kenny Atkinson, you got with Kenny.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Kenny's my, Kenny was my, that's my guy. Yeah, that was my guy guy.
So when you got,

Speaker 3 never mind, just go ahead. No, I'm fast forward.
No, because who cares? Because Kenny was my guy guy.

Speaker 3 So he called me and was like, when you were playing for Kenny, you were having, you had a great year. And he was just like, i told him what you told me and i was like what's that and he was like

Speaker 3 i'm comfortable with 32 i don't my life's gonna be straight if i get 32 million and he was like i don't i was like i don't need a max deal like i'm fine like if i can't make my life straight with 32 million i'm doing something wrong he was like i told him that

Speaker 3 and i don't know if he told you that but that's what he told me yeah that was that was when um i was up for like that because after leaving detroit i signed like the slave deal the for sure the non-guarantee, like the bunch that triggered that one.

Speaker 3 And so you're only up for like the second round of extensions. I had like three for 30 or 440, whatever it was at the time.
That's what it is now.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I didn't want the 4 for 40 because of like layering your years and your contracts. So I was like, oh, give me the 3 for 30 with a player option.
And that's kind of where that conversation came from.

Speaker 3 But yeah, nah, Kenny, without...

Speaker 3 Without my D-leaque coach, Nate Lindser and Kenny Atkinson, like none of this happens. Yeah.
I didn't want to, my bad for fast forward.

Speaker 3 Because I know you went through the Detroit phase, and that's like a big part of your journey to me. Oh, for sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

Speaker 3 Like, with the Detroit stuff, it was like it taught me the hardest version of the NBA. So Stammin Gundy is like a Miami Heat disciple.
For sure.

Speaker 3 So you got the three-hour practices, everything tape, tape, shootarounds, all that other stuff. Rookies got to be there two hours before with.

Speaker 3 newspapers and donuts and you you practice all the time you got i had these things called 99 99s after practice where they just put that on a jumbo try and just ran it and i just worked out against coaches full court one-on-one just like crazy stuff like it's more a test of your will than it is like game improvement because me playing one-on-one against you know ball boys and coaches like is it's not for real

Speaker 3 you know what i'm saying like so you know it was all that stuff um at the time vets got treatment rookies didn't so you know i'm fresh off acl doing all this work not really getting treatment like that things like like that.

Speaker 3 Not in a bad way. It's just like the culture of what it was.
But that's what set people back because that's why I loved about Atlanta. They didn't do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Detroit was like that. So I learned like the absolute hardest iteration, at least in my mind, at the NBA.
So when I got to Brooklyn with Kenny,

Speaker 3 it was love. And then also, just from a coaching standpoint, He had told me same like kind of like my daily coach.
They were like, look, bro, like, you're going to make mistakes.

Speaker 3 Like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 Because when you're in the other system and you're thinking, like, I gotta get the ball to this guy, I gotta be, like, just, I gotta just run the play that was, you know, told to me, like, I gotta not mess up.

Speaker 3 You can't play an imperfect game trying not to mess up. You know what I'm saying? You just, you fail every time.

Speaker 3 So, with those two, they were like, yo, like, we believe in you, play, like, do your thing. And then that's when it was kind of a wrap.
Is that when you got comfortable in the league, though?

Speaker 3 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 3 I think in my mind, it takes about a year and a half of being able to just play to to get comfortable in the NBA.

Speaker 3 I think when you first get in the league or when you first start playing, because again, my first two years, like you can kind of just leave on the side, but let's say year three, I was getting out there, like, I got to get to it, like just trying to hoop as best I could.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Halfway through, probably my fourth year is when it kind of like slowed down.
You're anticipating reads, anticipating coverages. You learn what other teams like to do, all that stuff.

Speaker 3 So I think it takes that time period of like actually stacking games. So let's say maybe like a hundred games under your belt.
Yeah, like really playing. You're like, okay, like this is the NBA style.

Speaker 3 So what vet gave you the game, though?

Speaker 3 Um,

Speaker 3 you had somebody,

Speaker 3 yeah, in terms of taking care of my body, Joel Anthony. Okay.
He was a great vet. Okay.
In terms of just like

Speaker 3 keeping my head up and stuff like that, I would say Karon Butler, Jodi Meeks, and Greg Monroe

Speaker 3 were the guys. Gee, Moose.
Oh, Moose. Hey, Moose, my dog.
Moose. Big three teammates.
That's my big three teammate. Oh, really? Yeah, that nigga's moose.
Yeah, that's his name. That's his nickname.

Speaker 3 Respect.

Speaker 3 Nah, nah. So those are the guys that were like, because we do stuff like one-on-ones and things like that, obviously in practice.
And I'd be killing it, right? Never playing, though.

Speaker 3 And so they were just like, look, bro. Or look, young fella, like, you're going to be all right.
It's going to work out. We see what you're doing in practice.
Like, you can play at this level.

Speaker 3 Like, it's going to, something's going to happen. Something's going to happen.

Speaker 3 And I don't even think I really believed him at the time. I was just sitting there like, low-key sulking.
How I'm killing and practicing

Speaker 2 no minutes.

Speaker 3 I think one year I played 12 games and those were all like

Speaker 3 30 seconds apiece. Like I wasn't like playing at all.
You talk about fucking your stats up. No, no.
When you had an NBA moment, like, was you like, damn, I'm here now.

Speaker 3 I'm ready to really get to the moment. For my confidence, or like just.
For your confidence, and when you felt like, okay, I'm about to really start giving, trying to give niggas 20 a night.

Speaker 3 Was it where you were? That was probably sometime in Brooklyn when I started feeling like that. Yeah, you was chucking that motherfucker in Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 MGA is up.

Speaker 3 That was sometime in Brooklyn. I mean, but

Speaker 3 when I felt like, oh, okay, you'll be all right, was I had my first start against D. Rose.
I had like 12 and like 10 or something like that.

Speaker 3 And then I had a game probably like a week later against John Wall. at the woods and had like 20.
It was like my first 20-point game. Okay.

Speaker 3 And I was like, oh, okay, like, because those are people you look up to.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't just like, you know,

Speaker 3 the backups were playing or you went in there and it wasn't a real game or something. Like, you know, real games.
And, you know, so play well against them.

Speaker 3 They gave me confidence, like, okay, you can do it. And then in Brooklyn, I mean, I had a run.
It had to be probably year four where I was like hitting like game winners and stuff. And I was like,

Speaker 3 all right. Fuck with everybody telling me

Speaker 3 it's on now. Yeah.
So that was probably it. So year four.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like when we get when you first get to the league obviously it's a it's a it's a difference like you start seeing like damn i was nice in college but these dudes is crazy yeah and so you kind of embrace that moment but like when they start picking on you and they do the rookie hazing and they all the little that come with being a rookie did you have a rookie hazing did you eat your car popcorn did you get you know i had to bring donuts all that stuff yeah i had donuts uh

Speaker 3 uh the newspaper and then they like That's an old-ass team. That's a newspaper.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They like

Speaker 3 try to tie me to a chair, throw me an ice tub.

Speaker 3 God damn. Yeah, because

Speaker 3 I had that level of like, look, I respect all y'all. So

Speaker 3 I'm not hearing it, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, if you can't guard me, bro, like, stop talking to me crazy. Like, I don't want to hear that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So there was a level of that, like,

Speaker 3 they say something, I'll be like, bro, man. Who had you want to get newspapers?

Speaker 3 It's the only person who was born

Speaker 3 in newspapers and

Speaker 3 a notebook with a pen because he wanted to occasionally write raps. And it was like, bro,

Speaker 3 man, then my boy had bars. We celebrate Quran on here.

Speaker 3 I'm slipping my Quran next time. I don't even remember.

Speaker 3 I'm celebrating one of them old school black and white composition joints.

Speaker 3 I'm like, bro, like, without rapping for real, what is he? Like, why am I kidding? Bars was weak. I'm celebrating Quran on this show.

Speaker 3 I know they they make some ass.

Speaker 3 Karan comes from the lineage of like Joe Smith. That's what my best was: Joe Smith, Eric Dampier, Eton Tom.
I had some old heads.

Speaker 3 So they popped off my car, though, because I wasn't going for nothing.

Speaker 3 Bro, that's so sad. I'm in here.
I'm not going. I'm not hearing this.
Like, I'd bring the donuts, but like, bro, relax. I brought donuts and they never ate them.

Speaker 3 And I kept them in my locker and I just kept putting them in the box out there. And finally, Josh Smith had a drunk night, and the donuts were green.

Speaker 3 He opened them up, he said, Man, what the

Speaker 3 car, my car was popcorn. I ain't gonna lie.
So, Quran never spit nothing for you, bro. No, bro.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's crazy. That's crazy.
See, that's wild. See, niggas be trying to get deals and keep it clean.
Be here. That when I tap over there, niggas gonna be mad.

Speaker 3 So, y'all gotta pick a side. What we doing? But, like, getting

Speaker 3 spit up for him is crazy, bro. Yeah, it's a rap, spit up, spit your game, talk your shit.
That ain't no thing.

Speaker 3 Not after he's done with them clubs.

Speaker 3 Not now, not now.

Speaker 3 Move the hell on, dude. We already interviewed a nigga there.

Speaker 3 You challenge them, please, right? That's the best thing about the show. It's me, challenged as fuck.
It is. It's very challenging.
Man, we gotta talk about it, man. That's what I realized.

Speaker 3 I was like, Spencer is a real hustler because you're trying to get that deal in Bitcoin. I said, my boy is a real finesser.
Please talk about how you got to that situation, man.

Speaker 3 All right. So

Speaker 3 the fun the funny part about that is like it made headlines because of the bitcoin aspect because like the league threatened to kick me out that's crazy which was a whole nother thing but really it was a play on blockchain technology so

Speaker 3 give you the 30 second

Speaker 3 blockchain technology is about like uh microtransactions uh be able to send stuff peer-to-peer like adding liquidity to whatever system it is. So I was trying to decentralize sports contracts.

Speaker 3 All this betting that we see and everything that's going on now, I was trying to do that shit back in, what was it, 2017 or something like that.

Speaker 3 So, it was a play on opening up like the sports contract world. And they were like, nah, champ,

Speaker 3 it's through. We're going to kick you out the league.
So, that uh,

Speaker 3 I had to like redo it in a bunch of different ways to like be compliant with the NBA because

Speaker 3 you know, I love my job. Thank you guys.
Shout out to the NBA, shout out to the NBA

Speaker 3 or whatnot. But,

Speaker 3 yeah, I mean, that's really what it was about. And so it became far more Bitcoin-centric because that's kind of what they were going to allow versus

Speaker 3 the overall business of what I was trying to do. Because,

Speaker 3 I mean, as you see with gambling and the parlays and everything going on with FanDuel and DraftKings and all that right now, I wanted to, you know, slide my little business idea in there, maybe get bought out.

Speaker 3 They make $10 billion. I make one.
Yeah. And I'm like, man, it's all good.
I'm partnering with the league. And they were like, nah.
Wait, that was a David Stern, right? No, no, no.

Speaker 3 That's not

Speaker 3 your boy. David Stern.

Speaker 3 When he said,

Speaker 3 when I read about it, I said, oh, he's a mad genius.

Speaker 3 I said,

Speaker 3 I was on his way out. That's what I said.

Speaker 3 I said, he's a mad genius.

Speaker 3 I swear, I said, he is a mad genius. I said, he better leave him alone because

Speaker 3 he's thinking 10 steps ahead.

Speaker 3 I bet he knows.

Speaker 3 Don't worry about it. You know.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He was a mad genius.
He's about to be Junior Bridgman. Yeah.
I say he was a mad genius. They would have, they wasn't allowing him to be a mad genius.
Like, it's the NBA. I still love the NBA.

Speaker 3 Listen, I can't wait to go to J. Cole's party.

Speaker 3 What's it called? Dreamville. I'll be there.
Shout out to the NBA. Hold up.

Speaker 3 I was like, he's a big bad guy. He ain't got a shot off for the NBA.

Speaker 3 I'm going to Dreamville on the NBA. I just want to tell the Spirit Boy the Lord going to bless you one day.

Speaker 3 But to think like,

Speaker 3 because that's the moment when I was like, yo, he different. Because me, I was just like, hey, I ain't give a fuck about none of that.
I got the bread.

Speaker 3 But him to think like that, I was like, oh, he different. He probably going to do something.
So even that, and for you making your own shoe. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I remember seeing you on a court and I'm like, this nigga really got his own shoe. Like, he really got his own shoe.

Speaker 3 And now to see that, like, to do that, and then like see guys like Jalen Brown, uh,

Speaker 3 you know, that's sexy, yeah. So, that's uh

Speaker 3 that's something that I guess in the history books, I probably won't get much credit for, but like, yeah, now it's sexy. I'm happy Jalen Brown's doing no, I'm gonna give you your credit.

Speaker 3 Oh, so y'all not gonna pause him?

Speaker 3 Nah, I mean, yeah, that's now sexy, that's your shoe.

Speaker 3 He said, He said it's sexy, yeah.

Speaker 3 But I ain't gonna lie,

Speaker 3 you ain't getting no pass on this before, nigga.

Speaker 3 When you the gang now, nigga, I ain't gonna lie. When you first did it, I was like, because they kind of look like Kobe's a little bit.
And I was like, I was like, he likes Kobe.

Speaker 3 Like, when I first seen him, but you probably remember, I asked for some of them. I said, yo, can I get some of them? They was like, big bass niggas.
Yeah, I asked you. I did.

Speaker 3 I was like, yo, can I get some of his shoes? Brooklyn Ball Boys. I was like, yo, tell dude I want some shoes.
They was like, yeah, he don't give them out. I was like, damn.

Speaker 3 I was like, he's stingy with the joints.

Speaker 3 I don't know why. They said, nah, he don't be giving them out.
I was like, for real? I was like, them shit's weak.

Speaker 3 That's more expensive.

Speaker 3 I didn't trade on you.

Speaker 3 I bought the Lazo. You did.
I ain't never got them. LeVar, I'm still away from my triple B.
I spent $500 on them. Didn't buy them.

Speaker 3 But then I seen George, and I'm like, bro, he really, you in the game, yeah. He got his own shoe.
And I'm like,

Speaker 3 that's hard.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I'll tell bro, I want some of his shoes. They like, yeah, he don't give them out.
What made you do that, though?

Speaker 3 So basically, again, like, like kind of entrepreneur mindset like i'm again second round pick all sorts of stuff nike wanted to give me like a fifty thousand dollar merch deal

Speaker 3 i was just like but no not fifty thousand dollars just a little merch

Speaker 3 if you know anything about that your family fly through that thing before you even get it for sure

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 3 i might as well not even have it yeah sitting there like yeah What would it be like to, you know what I'm saying, have my own shoe, blah, blah, blah. I used to draw shoes as a kid.

Speaker 3 So it was like, you know, crown brother doing his raps. I'm drawing shoes, just killing time.
And I was like, let me try it. And so

Speaker 3 it's both harder and not as hard as you think if you have like a template to build off of, which was a Kobe.

Speaker 3 And so Kobe was my favorite player. I wore Kobe's all the time.
And so that's kind of how my shoe was constructed. And then it turned into a business basically, which then

Speaker 3 361, which is basically almost.

Speaker 3 I mean, you got probably like three major brands in China is leaning antenna and 361.

Speaker 3 And so then they bought me out. Now my signature went up up under them.
And so, you know, now I've had a signature with them for three years and going forward with that.

Speaker 3 So it ended up working because,

Speaker 3 you know, that path took me to them.

Speaker 3 Not only did I make a little bit of money doing my own shoe, but then, you know, when you're shown you can do it, they buy you out and all that other stuff, become partners, everything, they pay you for all that.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 it turned to a whole different type of deal.

Speaker 3 Then obviously, like, you know, you know how it is with like Nike and them, like,

Speaker 3 ain't nobody getting no real money off of Nike unless you are.

Speaker 3 One, two, three. Yeah, you got to be Bron, you know, KD, Kyrie, those guys.
Other than that, like, you're not making no real money off them. But 361, y'all got some players on that.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, definitely. Because we just got Jokic.
Yeah, now it's. Yeah, that was like when Yoke came over.
Yeah, it's lit. I think Aaron Gore might be there.
Aaron Gore was first. Yeah.
Then it was me.

Speaker 3 Then now they got Jokic. So it's probably going to be a thing.
Is that just an on-the-court show or off-the-court shoe?

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 they got some wife shot joints. So it would say off-the-court, too, but I'm not really a

Speaker 3 little bit more off-the-court type guy.

Speaker 3 I really think the only, I think the only basketball shoes you can get away with off-the-court is probably J's, bro. Like, nobody's really wearing Kobe's or Bronze or anything.

Speaker 3 Don't wear LeBron Club. Let's be real.
Like, I know they say you can, and, like, you know, maybe Bron did some promo for that or Harden did some promo for that, but, like, nobody doing that, bro.

Speaker 3 It's Jays.

Speaker 3 You got designers, Chucks, vans.

Speaker 3 Like, in terms of American culture off the court, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 I wear some shit. 361 is off the court.
If y'all come, just call me. Y'all know how I am.
Y'all know how I am. We're going to get to that.
Y'all know how I was.

Speaker 3 I wear a lot of shoes.

Speaker 3 Pull them up, Mike. Is that them right there? That's, yeah, that's lashes.
Those are the twos.

Speaker 3 Okay. DVD two?

Speaker 3 Huh?

Speaker 3 I'm wearing it. I think it drops in, like, I think it was supposed to drop.
Oh, can we get some threes, man? Okay, fuck you. You're sending us some threes, man.
We'll wear them on the show.

Speaker 3 That's what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 And I hoop in them. Matter of fact, I hoop all the time still.
There we go. I hooped in.
I hooped in Antis. I hooped in some hard nons.
It's nons, right?

Speaker 3 I just hooped in some hard nons. Shout out to the family.
Shout out to the Deeson family. I hooped in the Deer and Fox.
Shout out to the family.

Speaker 3 All the guys. I'm going to get y'all right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Y'all got shortsuits and shit. You got all that.
Yeah. All right, cool, bro.
Two weeks.

Speaker 3 Damn.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 damn.

Speaker 3 The only reason I got this on crazy

Speaker 3 breed. That's it.

Speaker 3 All right, just give me a large.

Speaker 3 Crape.

Speaker 3 Y'all funny, bro.

Speaker 3 Smith was on the laugh.

Speaker 3 That's hard, though. That is hard.
I fuck with them. I fuck with them, too.
Matter of fact, I want that colorway.

Speaker 3 That apple green is fire. All right, we'll shop off camera for sure.

Speaker 3 I got you. Listen, man, hell of a career, you've been around for a lot of different stuff.
I got to ask you, most recently, we're going to fast forward a little bit.

Speaker 3 Where were you at when you found out that Luca Dodgers was no longer your teammate? Yeah, that is crazy. Bro, so

Speaker 3 let me tell you, like, I don't think anybody would disagree with this. Going to the season, you would have thought he was untouchable.

Speaker 3 So, Winby and Ant Edwards and probably Tatum and L and

Speaker 3 those type guys.

Speaker 3 But it was just crazy because we had an early game against Cleveland the next day. So I went to sleep early.
You know how, like, on a normal game that you might be up 12, 1, whatever.

Speaker 3 You're going to be up to 8 or 9. So you're still getting your six, seven, eight hours, whatever.
But we had to be up early. We were playing at like two or something like that.

Speaker 3 So I probably went to bed at like 11 or maybe even a little bit earlier than that.

Speaker 3 So when I woke up, I knew it was a problem or not a problem, but I knew it was something went on because I had like other NBA player missed calls like Zach Levine, D-Lo, like people.

Speaker 3 So I'm opening my phone. I'm like,

Speaker 3 why I got like... Three missed calls from D-Lo.
Why I got like a couple missed calls from Zach? Like, what the hell going on? Like, I saw my agent, but like, whatever.

Speaker 3 He's calling for whatever he's calling for.

Speaker 3 And then I went to my messages, and that's when, you know what I'm saying, it set in. So, um, yeah, I mean, everybody was just shocked, bro.
Like, I don't think there's any other way to put it.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, both L and A D, my friends. So it's kind of like, you know, it sucks that they're also acting like AD ain't probably a top five power forward all time.
So like, talking about

Speaker 3 bag of chips or something, which is crazy. But I just think anybody that said they could have thought it was going to happen or predicted it or that that's a lie.

Speaker 3 Like everybody was, everybody was shocked. Yeah,

Speaker 3 that's one of the moments where everybody remembers where they were when that shit happened. That was like a monumental NBA moment.
That's going down in NBA history.

Speaker 3 It was one of the most shocking moments in NBA history. For sure.

Speaker 3 The fact that it was that locker on it. It's not a ton.

Speaker 3 Like, I know everybody got hurt this year. Yeah.
I mean, y'all, everybody's hurt.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's insane.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's crazy. We almost forfeited the game or something like that.

Speaker 3 That's what the report said. I don't know the rules, but that's what they said.

Speaker 3 They said we almost forfeited damn it's crazy everybody got hurt but when you look back at that trade it's not a it's luca is great man he's amazing but it's not as bad as it looks no no that's what i said like ad a top five powerful yeah top 75 for sure you know what i'm saying top 75

Speaker 3 and if you look at what he was able to do in conjunction with like gaff and stuff in the rockets game one game they played they played the first half i think the rockets scored 38 points maybe

Speaker 3 It was exciting.

Speaker 3 And the Rockets obviously were what? Second in the West? Something like that. They hooping.
They're doing well.

Speaker 3 And that trio of PJ,

Speaker 3 AD, and Gaff,

Speaker 3 it was just, there was nowhere to go. So, you know, that was exciting to see.

Speaker 3 I understood what was going on. I mean, it still was a shocking trade.
I understood it. But it wasn't like,

Speaker 3 damn, they didn't get nothing back. Yeah, that was the thing.
And like I said, they both my friends. And L, to me, is probably the best offensive player in the NBA right now.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 But AD might be the best two-way player, probably him and Giannis.

Speaker 3 So it's not like... Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 It's a tough position to be in. Like I said, the only thing that sucks is that they acting like AD a bum.
That's the crazy part.

Speaker 3 You can feel how you feel about the trade,

Speaker 3 win, lose. Better for now, better for future, whatever it may be.
But like, we got to stop acting like AD ain't AD.

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Speaker 3 We gotta stop it. That's disrespectful.
That's Anthony Davis, bro.

Speaker 3 We gotta stop that. Well, we're talking about good guards now.
Now we're talking my language.

Speaker 3 You said Luca,

Speaker 3 the best offensive guard.

Speaker 3 You think Luca bag is deeper than

Speaker 3 Shay or Edwards?

Speaker 3 You guarded. You guard all these.
Yeah, and you a bigger guard. And you one of the best isolation guards in the league.
Yes. And I know that.

Speaker 3 I know that. I know that.
Listen, listen. I tell people this all the time.
I think this year right now, I'm like top 15, but every other year, I've been like top 10. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 So I've been like one or two or three. No, no shit.
I don't, I know.

Speaker 3 I know. I'm tapped in.
Like, it'd be years where, like, and I'll be catching hella heat on like social media and shit because they'll look at like the rankings and it'll be like KD, Jimmy, Spence.

Speaker 3 And then like the other guys will be like, Tatum.

Speaker 3 It'd be like, how the hell he in there? Why he in there? It's like, bro, like, now that between the legs hesitation, he's going, I know it. Drum foul.
I'm there.

Speaker 3 I'm there. I'm locked in.
I know you. I know it hey but um now i would say

Speaker 3 back between those three

Speaker 3 uh

Speaker 3 you guard all three who's the toughest cover toughest cover for me

Speaker 3 no no so here's the deal i think i i think styles make fights facts okay like for example somebody i hate garden that won't be in that list darius garland

Speaker 3 he just so much just jittery shit that I'm like, bro, relax.

Speaker 3 Ended my career.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like, I'm like, bro, like, like, stop, stop moving so much. Shay likes to get to that like big shoulder bump

Speaker 3 to the MIDI, which for me is a little bit easier than, like, like I said, Darius Garland or something like that, because I can kind of pause, if necessary, absorb that contact and like still kind of play him.

Speaker 3 Um,

Speaker 3 I like the guy,

Speaker 3 but he got a crazy whistle, though. So, like, you'll fuck around foul out, too.

Speaker 3 Superstar whistle. That's tough.
Superstar. L got post-game, but Ant right now, with the way he's shooting the three and as explosive as he is, like,

Speaker 3 that's tough cover, too. So

Speaker 3 you're going to sleep early for Ant.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 they all nice, though. It's tough.
Like, to be honest, like. Shay's bag with pivots and stuff like that in terms of what we think of as guards.
It's probably a little bit deeper than theirs.

Speaker 3 But Ant's got the explosiveness. And once you add the post-game, it changes that conversation with L because,

Speaker 3 you know, you put a small guy on L, like he's really walking you to the block. Christmas.
Like Shay's bump fade off the block.

Speaker 3 That's more like an ISO two-man game. Like, Luke will really bury you.
Like, he'll just walk you down, walk you down, walk you down. You push shot him.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Like.

Speaker 3 They all tough covers. They all, to me, are elite guards.
And obviously, they're all in the MVP conversation every year, whatever they've been these last couple of years. But

Speaker 3 I know you and like seeing you compete against them. And you were a bigger guard to me, but you 6'5 ⁇ , 6'6 ⁇ .
I'm 6'1. I used to be like, This motherfucker tall as shit.

Speaker 3 You are a lot taller. Yeah, I'm like, he's tall as shit.
So I remember I was on the Pacers and you were playing for Brooklyn. And the point guard was Isaiah Whitehead.

Speaker 3 Yes, I swear. And

Speaker 3 people that know me, I talk shit all day. So I'm talking talking shit to Kenny.
I'm like, you got to get this motherfucker out of here. He can't play.
I'm like, he can't play.

Speaker 3 And Kenny like, y'all, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 And then you subbed in and Kenny, y'all shooting a free throw. I walked this.
I'm like, yo, he can't play.

Speaker 3 He was like, this motherfucker can.

Speaker 3 He pointed expense. And I'm like, I'm like, what? You don't even play him.
He was like, he's going to be staring from here on out. I tell you that.
Watch. I'm telling you, 6'6 ⁇ .

Speaker 3 Me and him are having that conversation in the middle of the the game. And then I seen it fast forward.
I'm like, damn, this motherfucker about to get paid.

Speaker 3 Kenny seen something. Yeah, you came off the bench and it was just Brook Lopez shooting threes and all this shit.
Then you came and you started starting.

Speaker 3 You had your run, but Kenny called that shit out. I remember that game, Isaiah Whitehead was starting.
You came in and he called that shit. Oh, you a bucket.

Speaker 3 I appreciate you, Kenny, man. Yeah.
Love you, dog. Yeah, Kenny, a real one.
For sure, man. The blueprint's real with him.
You look at all the, we talk about Ty Jerome right now.

Speaker 3 Like, his impact on guards is proven for sure. That's a fact.
Even like D-Lo. Yeah.
He got with Kenny. It was just.
For sure.

Speaker 3 I think the other thing, too, is when Kenny was younger, he used to hoop with you. You used to really be in the church.
So you felt like

Speaker 3 he had your back in a sense. He's going to do the workout with you type of vibe.
Like, sometimes it was crazy and he got hurt doing it. Like, Torrey Squad one time doing that shit.
But damn. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And I was trying to isolate.

Speaker 3 Jared Allen when we were all kids, basically, back in Brooklyn. Torres shit.
Kenny out of all. Kenny doing

Speaker 3 Allen is great. I used to like trying to really like Kobe clear out.
Like, I used to play Kenny. I used to play Kenny every day, but he used to play with no shoes.

Speaker 3 Oh, I didn't know. Where's Kenny from? Oh, no, he used to play barefoot.
Excuse me? I swear to God. Kenny American.
He played overseas for a long time. He went to Richmond.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 But he used to play barefoot. Like, I come in, he would be barefoot.
I'm like, where that came from. Yeah,

Speaker 3 and then he'd be your drills, he'll guard you the whole day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he used to play barefoot

Speaker 3 three-on-three with us. Then he got the lemon pepper step.
But that boy out there hooping with no socks on.

Speaker 3 That's when he got the real grip. I ain't going to lie.
He took

Speaker 3 I was right here.

Speaker 3 I was just making in the league. I was starting.
I got with Kenny. Made it all.
Start saying, Kenny Levy.

Speaker 3 Start cruising again.

Speaker 3 Niggas that are in the NBA one-on-one on a hardwood floor.

Speaker 3 He's barefoot. He's true.
He's different, bro. I swear to God.
My right-handed guy, y'all ever meet Kenny XM, y'all can ask me. He used to play with no shoes.

Speaker 3 I didn't know that. I didn't see that.
I swear to God. But yeah, nah, he

Speaker 3 be in the foxhole with you.

Speaker 3 And people don't understand how much like situation, a coach's belief, all that stuff, like it matters because there's only so many people that can go to the front office and be like, oh, nah, this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 3 I don't care what the coach says, like, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 If you're under that superstar tier, bro, and the coach says, like, nah, we're going to play this way. Then that's the way you're playing.

Speaker 2 Whether that's to your strength, whether it's not.

Speaker 3 You might be out there looking ass, even though you got a specific strength. But if he tell you to do it, you got to try to do it.
So

Speaker 3 I roll with Kenny. That's why I'm happy for what they're doing in Cleveland.
You have a hell of a year, and you see all them guys thriving. Even the guys come off the bench, have moments.

Speaker 3 I'm a big advocate for Kenny Atkinson. That's one of my favorite coaches I ever played for.
For sure. You coming up under Kenny?

Speaker 3 Could you see yourself coaching one day or taking one of them type of roles in the league?

Speaker 3 Cooping against the young niggas barefoot. I mean, since

Speaker 3 for me, I mean, I could see if, like, because Dallas got a real good like family kind of atmosphere. I think, you know, Cuban really tried to, or MC, sorry, really tried to establish that.

Speaker 3 I think it's carrying over, obviously, but with a lot of former players like Tyson Chandler, Sean Marion, like still employed by him. Mike Finley.
Yeah, Mike Finley.

Speaker 3 Like, if it was a situation where I was like almost a practice player, but getting like a, just a small assistant coach salary, not nothing crazy, but like, practice player, I come in on your home games, but I don't got to travel.

Speaker 3 Like all that, like, I could do that. But the passion of really being like a head coach and all that.
That's too serious. And Sham got over there with y'all.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Sham a real coach, though.

Speaker 3 Like, he travels. He's doing all the stuff.
Like, locked in. I'm like a

Speaker 3 Tyson Chandler. Yeah.
Tyson Chandler right now. He's at every home game, all the home practices.
He doesn't travel. Like, I could do that.
Like, practice with the players, stay in shape,

Speaker 3 be an OG, give wisdom. But then, like,

Speaker 3 when y'all leave. Yeah.
All right. I see y'all.

Speaker 3 I see how they get. I'm not going to Indiana.
What kind of game you be getting from Spencer?

Speaker 3 That's where we are right now. I feel you.
I feel you. Spitzer, put up to that talk.
That's crazy. Spinster love beauty.

Speaker 3 But I want one thing I'll say about the Mads and be here and could attest. Hey, they take care of that people, boy.
And listen, we went last year.

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna bring that up, man.

Speaker 3 That food man for the friends and family was piff. Yeah.
Yeah, it was not what the patients had. Nah, y'all eat.
Y'all eat good. You know what I'm saying? R.

Speaker 3 Benz, he just, he chose to get a wagoo hot dog. Yeah.
Yeah, he travels. Oh.
Yeah, he eats hot. Hot dog contests, all that type of shit.
He went for the glizzy.

Speaker 3 He went for the glizzy. He's a glizzy monster.

Speaker 3 He's a glizzy monster.

Speaker 3 They said they had lobster. Well, they had lobster, steak, shrimp.

Speaker 3 They took care of us. He went to the wagoo station.

Speaker 3 And got a glizzy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Freaky Mike went and got a glizzy at lobster steak and shrimp. You know, it's different when you eat with white people.
They see you turning the glizzy around. They go, oh, wow.

Speaker 3 They say, oh, wow.

Speaker 3 The Atlanta dinner is crazy.

Speaker 3 This nigga embarrassing us all the way in Dallas.

Speaker 3 Shout out to the bass, first class organization. For sure, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 Oh, man. Listen, obviously, it's been an up and down year for y'all, but I want to ask you,

Speaker 3 I know you are tapping into the social medias, but you're like your tension.

Speaker 3 I don't want to talk about too much about it, but how was that like playing for that organization and then like being on the internet at the same time?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 just because I'm from LA, you kind of understand going there, what it's going to be. So I didn't go in there expecting like for it to be something different.

Speaker 3 Okay. Because the way I got there, obviously, with the whole like

Speaker 3 Brooklyn thing and all the shit that went on that way, and then picking a team in the buyout market,

Speaker 3 you know, for Dallas, they had, Dallas and Lakers kind of had a similar year. Like, nobody knew Dallas was going to take off.
Like, the PJ and Gaff editions, like,

Speaker 3 like, changed the whole trajectory. You know what I'm saying? And the way they jailed and all that stuff.
So, you know, credit to them making the finals.

Speaker 3 With the Lakers, like, I knew, okay, D'Lo's there, AR's there. uh brawn ad

Speaker 3 so it's not like i'm gonna come in there and average 20 like you know that going in there And for the fan base, like, you know, it's win or you ask. Like, there's, there's no in-between.

Speaker 3 Like, certain fan base are like, oh, you tried hard. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 They're like, win or you suck. So, and I went there knowing that.
So it wasn't as bad as like

Speaker 3 for me, for some people. Okay.
I was mad at you, man. For not going to Dallas.
I said, he should, he got to go to Dallas because you just had a phenomenal. Yeah.
You just showed.

Speaker 3 I'm like, he knows them. Yeah.
He just killed there. Yeah.
He got to go back there. and when you went to la i said

Speaker 3 he gotta go to dallas you said it on here too

Speaker 3 i said he supposed to go to dallas nah hindsight yeah i mean obviously with the finals run and and uh back here this year and all that stuff like uh for sure would have been great and possibly

Speaker 3 it's hard to turn down la bro it's yeah like it's you know you you from there like all that stuff like it's And like I said, at the time, both teams were kind of in like the middle slash lower end, lower end of the playoff race of the Western Conference.

Speaker 3 Like, nobody knew, I think they went like 18 and 2 at one point. Like, nobody saw it.
Like, ball, they was ball. They, they,

Speaker 3 when the, when the switch clicked, or how you want to say it, like, that took off. Yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying? So, um,

Speaker 3 I don't regret it, but obviously, like, you know, who wouldn't want to go to the finals after already being at the conference finals? So, you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 I got to ask, man,

Speaker 3 some of the practices you've probably seen, you got two of the most skilled basketball players ever between Luke and Kyrie. What's it like just to see them up close to everybody?

Speaker 3 Obviously, we know you code, but just to see them just hoop on a consistent basis. What's that? Is that like motivating? Is everybody buying sex?

Speaker 3 You see, like everybody, energy on teams is like, I really fuck with basketball for real. You don't see that a lot.

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 the difference with like Kyrie and any other player that I've been around,

Speaker 3 like the again, maybe pause if needed, but like the way he moves is like, it's like artistic in a sense. Yeah,

Speaker 3 so it's just it's a very different

Speaker 3 like eye test, right? Like some people are explosive. Some people are, you know, this or that, dominant can shoot it well, whatever.

Speaker 3 Like been around a lot of greats, like even the Katie's, Lucas, Braun, even, like,

Speaker 3 it's just the way he does it

Speaker 3 is

Speaker 3 more appealing to look at, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Lucas is dominant. Like, you know, he can run off 10 threes.
He can post you up.

Speaker 3 He can get to the dark fade in the middie. He got everything.
And then his passing is sensational, too. So, you know, I mean, there's nothing you can't say about L, right?

Speaker 3 But I just think like the eye test from just like

Speaker 3 how it looks,

Speaker 3 probably him and Paul George probably got the most appealing games to look at.

Speaker 3 Nah, Paul George is amazing. You talk about all the youngsters, they always say, who I want to play, like Paul George.

Speaker 3 When I play, like, when I used to watch him in practice, when we played in Indiana, I used to just be like,

Speaker 3 he cold. Yeah, like, you say that on the bottom.
I'm like, he's cold, bro. Legendary crossover snatchback, bro.
He was poetic.

Speaker 3 Only game I seen that was better than him in practice was Derek.

Speaker 3 Like, when you seen D. Rose,

Speaker 3 it was just like,

Speaker 3 man, what the hell is something right?

Speaker 3 How are you moving this fast? You didn't, Toyota. You didn't did it.
People saying you're sad. You didn't fail.

Speaker 3 And you still just doing shit that's unbelievable but i couldn't imagine kyrie you know guarding him i at one point in my career i guarded kyrie more than anybody in nba really that's a fact that's a fact which is crazy and i i have i guarded him more than anybody else so i've experienced those islands yeah and like his shot making ability was always a thing for me like i remember one game we played indiana i guarded i literally guarded for 18 seconds i remember watching a clip when i came back and i was guarding my ass off and to know Kyrie, he can go left and do all that shit, but he prefers to go right, right?

Speaker 3 That's his preferred hand. He can go left.
We know that. But I was forcing him left and I was on that shit.
And somehow he got back to that right anyway. And he hit a fallout, fade away.

Speaker 3 Nobody helped me, mind you. He went from the left side of the court all the way to the right side of the court.
He shot a fadeaway and hit it. I never got any help.

Speaker 3 And after the game, I watched the clip and I was just like, that was a great defense. What the fuck am I supposed to do?

Speaker 3 And mind you, that game he had 37 points,

Speaker 3 but all his shots were just like in my face.

Speaker 3 And I was like, I can't guard no better. So I might as well just stop.

Speaker 3 I'm not lying, bro.

Speaker 3 What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 3 Are we on our show? Or

Speaker 3 he just serving everybody. He gave me, I'm not, he's it.
I'm not gonna lie. I guard him the most.
Like, shit, he was averaging 28.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. So he had, he had a lot of fun.
How many times did he get forward? Yeah, so

Speaker 3 damn. Hold on.

Speaker 3 That's when he first went to Brooklyn. I know that game.
Oh, that was a Minnesota game. Yeah, yeah.
I would go. I don't know.
That's that clip. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 When he fell and tried to, you know,

Speaker 3 made it. I don't know what he got against me.

Speaker 3 I don't know why he was like that on me, bro. So thirsty to be an anti-athlete.
You know what?

Speaker 3 We're going to go through.

Speaker 3 I hooked in Kyrie today. I'm not.

Speaker 3 He never had under 20. One time, he had zero.
I thought he was. Yeah, I locked him up.

Speaker 3 He probably didn't play. That's a DMV.
He probably didn't play. Put that on T Russia, bro.

Speaker 3 He had 20 every year.

Speaker 3 Every year.

Speaker 3 Them putting a zero point on you and he didn't play is crazy. Damn, he had 20 points every year.
That nigga can't even guard me on the bench. Y'all, first game ever.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I locked him up that guy. I remember he was a rookie.

Speaker 3 I told you, after the game said, you're going to be a. Look, look, look, look, I told her, you're going to be a good player, kid.
You're a liar. I did.

Speaker 3 He worked, but you're going to be good.

Speaker 3 We beat the shit out of him. We probably beat him by 30.
Oh, so you. I'm like, hey, you're going to be good.
But he knew he was unreal then. But I called y'all.
Yeah. Oh, God, he did.
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 You got in the comment section. I said, yo, he's going to be the best.
He's one of the hardest players I ever had to go. He's going to be one of the coaches in the NBA.

Speaker 3 But I said, you're going to be good, kid. Keep working.
Next thing you know, he ain't scoring the 20.

Speaker 3 What the mic? Fuck you. you.
Hey, your memory's amazing, bro. The stories you tell are crazy.
I don't know. Appreciate that.
What'd I do? That game?

Speaker 2 You're going to have 14.

Speaker 3 Mike, I didn't play a lot. We've blown him out.

Speaker 3 Only 14 is scratching.

Speaker 3 How many minutes? How many minutes? Oh, we don't play a lot. 27.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's it.
That's it.

Speaker 3 I didn't even get the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 That's halfway.

Speaker 3 What game was that? He had to be with LeBron.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a tough night.
Tough night. That nigga played.
How many points did he say?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 Playing 44 minutes, that's the whole game. Y'all gonna say, Boy, you did not sup at all.
You playing for Tim's nigga? Yeah, I don't know what game that was because I ain't never played 44.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he had a good night. He shot more than me.
Clearly. Did I ever have a good game?

Speaker 3 Did I have a good game against him? Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 3 He got 34. Okay, cool.
And a game winner. I matter of fact, yeah, I hit the game winner.

Speaker 3 On Tristan? Yeah. It is.

Speaker 3 Okay, cool. What's the high actually? What's your high?

Speaker 3 40. I would say, yeah, he.
On who?

Speaker 3 The Spurs. DeJounte and D.
White. Wow.
Pull it up.

Speaker 3 What the fuck? What year was that? Hold on. Load up the Drake.

Speaker 3 You gave us 36? I didn't know. Where was I at?

Speaker 3 Damn. So you gave 40.
DeJante anyhow?

Speaker 3 That's a tough one. Getting 40 on the Spurs? I remember that because D.
White's D. White's my guy.
Yeah, Colorado. Colorado.
Yeah. Okay.
But getting 40 on the Spurs is crazy.

Speaker 3 That's it. I just went around with that, too.

Speaker 3 Oh, I mean, we weren't together. I know I'm saying, but that's crazy.
For sure. The type of players y'all are, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 But I can believe he gave us 36. I remember a couple games you had really good games on us.
And I just used to laugh. Like, because I just remember Kenny.
Guess what?

Speaker 3 Oh, shit. Yeah, I didn't give a fuck.
Was I playing?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, it was dark. That was your first year, wasn't it? 19? Nah, he was.
Nah, Nah, I was

Speaker 3 last year.

Speaker 3 That was before Double Zero overturned. Yeah, I was out of there.
I probably was like, killed him. I probably like, keep killing, boy.

Speaker 3 Go crazy, Smith.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he had a game, boy. That was a good game.

Speaker 3 That was a good game. That's

Speaker 3 yeah. Shit.
Yeah, 36, 85, though. He filled the stat shit up.
Shit. Shout out to my boy.
Matter of fact, bro, the clips for me. We do the video.
He's a YouTube out.

Speaker 3 That could be a hell of a real. Make sure I wasn't.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no. Just do a Kyrie compilation for him.

Speaker 3 He's featuring Spence.

Speaker 3 So hold on. Wait, what?

Speaker 3 And then the next time I give me 40, y'all got me 40. Hey, shout out.
Hey, man, let's. Hey, go ahead.
Kick off, man. I appreciate that.
I'll take it. Pause.

Speaker 3 36 for Spence, 40 Kyrie. Nah.
That's a lot. I never say I was a defensive player.
I've never once voiced that. We're going to make Jeff Clip up the Flaker Fouls.

Speaker 3 I don't know why I thought he was small, though. I didn't know he was 6'6, bro.
He's tall. You want this one? Damn, man.
He got on some vans. That nigga tall for real.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this ain't this is real legit. No, yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm 6'1.

Speaker 3 Now, listen, we started off this episode talking about how you saving money. Obviously, we know you're financially intelligent.

Speaker 3 But when you first got the bag, you were real comfortable with what was your crazy purchase?

Speaker 3 Well, I waited to the end of my rookie year and I got a tesla okay so that was at the very end basically going into my second year that was it other than that you keep it simple

Speaker 3 yeah i mean bro i didn't have no money i had no money for real were you were you living la still or

Speaker 3 yeah but like

Speaker 3 shoot my first year i went back to my parents house my second year had like a actually i might went back to my parents house my second year In my third year, I think I had like one of them little apartments in Beverly Hills, but it wasn't like one of them crazy penthouses, it wasn't none of that.

Speaker 3 It was like real regular. I moved with my parents my eighth year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, you moved in or moved out. Well, I moved in with my eighth.
Oh, but you went back here though, right? Yeah, moved right in with my parents' birthday.

Speaker 3 That was a different, yeah, that's a different, that's a different situation. He's trying to have, he's still trying to live like Michael Orr.
Like,

Speaker 3 you can tell him why

Speaker 3 he didn't have

Speaker 3 a house. Everybody knows you transferred took my house,

Speaker 3 basically. So when I moved back,

Speaker 3 oh, they rented out their house.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was a guest in my home. And they literally took over my bedroom.
And they like, I came in there, my teeth, everything was different. My bed was in the basement.

Speaker 3 I just, I worked it out for that year. How was that living at home with your parents, though, bro? In the league.

Speaker 3 Did you have to come in the house before a certain time? Nah, I ain't going to lie to you. At that time, because you got to remember, I'm like, what, 21, something like that? So I'm not like, oh, oh.

Speaker 3 They're like, hey, could you, you know, check in when you're going to.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, they were like that because my parents are like old school streets. Like,

Speaker 3 all that stuff. So they were saying all that.
And I was like,

Speaker 3 yeah, I would have gone right back to Detroit. Nah, I remember I came and stayed in my house, my rookie year, my mom and dad's house.
I came home for my birthday weekend. I came home at four.

Speaker 3 My mom was like, whoa.

Speaker 3 Like, we not doing that.

Speaker 3 Damn. I said, I'm going back

Speaker 3 because I'm doing that. Like, you don't know my life, mom.
I live in Atlanta. The club don't start till long.
Oh, yeah. Nah, you had it rolling.
Yeah, I'm lying. Detroit, bro.
Yeah. I mean, Detroit.

Speaker 3 Nah, nah, nah, because you think in Detroit, Detroit. I was out in Auburn Hills.
Woo was different. At the Palestinian.
Auburn House. Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 Well, we used to be at Birmingham. Yeah.
It was maybe like a 30-minute drive, bro. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, respect. I just, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Just you being in the league and your daddy saying, hey, my nigga, you wilding.

Speaker 3 Like, they kept it cool, though. I mean, it was subtle.
It wasn't like, nah, you can't do it. It was like, hey, you know, like, tap in.
Can you chill? Like, let us know. And I was just worried.

Speaker 3 It's parents. Yeah, ain't nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 3 Plus, like I said, bro, I was broke. Like, I didn't even get a first round, like, million.
No, it was like 500,000, bro. So, like, after taxes,

Speaker 3 250,

Speaker 3 after you spend your monthly, you got maybe 100 grand, like 150 grand, something like whatever it was.

Speaker 3 Like, bro, you're not in a rush to be like, oh, I'm going to spend five, six thousand on an apartment for a couple months. And that hundred turned into

Speaker 3 80. Okay, but when you got that that bag from Brooklyn,

Speaker 3 everybody gets something.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 I like watches and cars.

Speaker 3 I like that. Yeah, yeah, it turned up.
See, nobody

Speaker 3 look for you. Yeah, because that's what these niggas do.

Speaker 3 I got a couple things. Like, I got like the

Speaker 3 Panther and the Spider-Man, like the APs. So

Speaker 3 look at him. Look at him.
He's a watch guy.

Speaker 3 I ain't never buy nothing.

Speaker 2 Oh, really?

Speaker 3 I bought a house. You did? That's all.

Speaker 3 I didn't buy my crib in L.A. till my second deal.
That's when I got that one. There we go.
Yeah. Nah, you did it smart.
Yeah, smart. I housed up immediately.
I was ready to be AMP.

Speaker 3 It was worth it.

Speaker 3 I was ready to have it going. I was ready to ready to live for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The real content house.
I was ready to get the content rolling. Before the pie.
Yeah, facts, facts. I was AMP.

Speaker 3 I was ready to throw the party, the cool parties going crazy. Yeah, I was lit.

Speaker 3 But other than that, I ain't bought nothing. I still ain't bought nothing.
I still need to buy a watch.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, no. You got to do that.
Yeah, I'm pretty.

Speaker 3 I haven't bought a watch ever. I'm surprised by that.
Yeah, I got to do something. You got to cop the rolly off the straps.
Oh, for sure.

Speaker 3 For sure.

Speaker 3 They do.

Speaker 3 My wife's

Speaker 3 wedding ring.

Speaker 3 They might like me. Cost enough.
For sure. Listen, man, we know you got plenty of things to do, man.
We appreciate you sliding, man.

Speaker 3 Tell the people where they can grab the kicks at, man, to support, baby.

Speaker 3 I I think it's 361. You don't see that.
He says he thinks. No, I wrote a website.

Speaker 3 USA, not Hong Kong.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. Hey, listen, they're the best partners ever.

Speaker 4 I just don't know the exact website because it's like three different websites.

Speaker 3 That's why.

Speaker 3 There we go. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 And shout out to Spence, man. We, hey, it's been a great time.
Man, man,

Speaker 3 I ain't gonna lie. Now we put him on, we're gonna need our shoes.
Yeah, I got you. Oh, yeah, because we're gonna treat you like the three B company, bro.
Lamar Ball and them.

Speaker 3 We're gonna treat you like them.

Speaker 3 Our shoes gonna come. We definitely gonna shout it out.

Speaker 3 Triple L. Look, it's official.
They're right there, bro. It's not even in my control.
Well,

Speaker 3 no, no, no.

Speaker 3 That's a talk to my people. Y'all shoes.
When niggas say, talk to my people. This is what.

Speaker 3 No, y'all shoots in my control. I'm talking about the website.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 you're a mission. Fuck them.

Speaker 3 We be out. We in the club.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 We'll be out next time. Like, share, subscribe.
All that good stuff. We'll be back.
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