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No, Smiths, listen. I know you've been in the league since shoes your whole life.
Have you ever seen the Black Forces with the white laces? Nah. Nah, not promoted on the front of the podcast like that, either.
Nah, yeah. It's the front line soldier shit, bro.
What you about, 13? Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I got you, bro. I got you.
I know you from L.A. You ain't signed to Vans, are No, no.
I'm sign the Vans. 361.
Don't worry about it. Okay, yeah.
I sign niggas to 720 deals over here. Who wants me to sign? But you got Mike on there? Yeah, that's my artist over there.
720. He's my 720.
Whenever he'll give it the first 360, he gets you on the back of your balls. The real guy up there.
Put your hold to my right, my dog, Young Nacho. Young T, how you work? I'm chilling, bro.
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For sure, man. Got the early drop.
Freaky Mike said they need to tap in. He need his size 12s as well.
We're going to get you worked out for that, man. Yeah.
For sure, man. But last but certainly at least, man, to my left, man.
11-year vet, man. LA's finest.
One of the biggest plays. The NBA contract here..
We're going to talk about it, man. We got Smithers Denwood.
Big dog. Appreciate you pulling up, man.
No, thank you for having me, brother. The mayor.
Yes, sir. I don't know that.
The mayor. Come on, we tapped in, baby.
We do our research again, man. A little bit, man.
For sure, LA's finest. First, it's March Madness, man.
You know, Colorado. How's it feel being an alumni in Colorado and y'all turned up from football like that, man? Oh, no, that shit was hard.
It brought life to the city. We didn't expect it because when I was there, they won like two games in a year.
They were awful. Damn.
What year did you come out of there or go there? Where did you go in? Went there in 2011. Left in 14.
Oh, yeah, they was pooled. Yeah, they was pooled.
They won two games, right before they got there, didn't they? Yeah, they lineage was a little bit dirty, for sure. But I couldn't imagine you was killing on campus and they was coming to the same time.
That's a hell of a type of recruitment to pull up there. Oh, yeah.
No, we were the team on campus and stuff. So when I was there, it was basketball school.
That's crazy. What made you choose Colorado? I mean, basically, like, I wanted to go to Pac-12 because I really wanted to go to USC, but they didn't offer me.
So UCLA was kind of like, I will just take you. And, yeah, I didn't want to go to Harvard because of basketball.
Ah, okay. That's why it happened.
Who else was recruiting you back then? You're from L.A., right? You're going to say, we're talking about high school, L.A., historic high school. You played some killers in high school? Yeah, of course.
I mean, Larry Drew went to my high school, so he was McDonald's All-American. Shout out to Larry Drew.
I mean, obviously, you played all the guys. Drew, Damar, BJ.
Brandon Jennings, sorry. Shout out to Brandon.
I fucked with BJ. You can take a high school, BJ.
No, high school BJ was nice Nice Yeah respect He was nice You played with a killer there I know I was talking about earlier to them Don't believe the hype DeAndre Daniels Oh yeah I couldn't remember his name But IConn. UConn, baby.
I couldn't remember his name, but I'm like, I remember he was a cold wing. Bryce Jones went to the Pelicans.
Yeah, bro. In high school, like, he went crazy in AAU, bro.
I think he was like a top 10 player in the country at the time. Something like that, yeah.
Yeah, I know what that is. On our team, the three of us, he was the best one.
Nah, for sure. Because he was like, what, 6'5"? Nah, he was bigger than that.
Like 6'9".

Yeah.

I remember that name.

He was cold, bro.

He was nice.

Yeah.

Especially in high school.

Did he play in the Big 3 last year?

I don't know.

Nah, maybe I'm tweaking.

Nah, bro.

DeAndre Daniels, bro.

Almost like a Christian Wood kind of.

Yeah.

I got to look him up.

That's a fact.

Christian Wood, man.

I just remember he used to go on the AU circuit. He made a name for himself, bro.
For sure. I'm a look him up.
For sure. For sure.
For sure. Man, having that much time in high school is crazy.
So, yeah, y'all was definitely getting the looks, but you said you wanted to stay in the Pac-12. Oh, yeah.
No, like, so I had, like, most of the Pac-12 offers, most of the California school offers, but I really wanted to go to USC because that's, like, where my mom and my brother went and all that. all that and they were the only one that didn't offer me damn it's crazy it is crazy how that works because they were ass too they weren't even good UCLA was the good one how I get offered from the good school and not offered from the bad school that don't make no sense oh well they probably just think you didn't cause DeMar was what year was DeMar oh oh nine he gone.
Yeah, I'm saying he was gone.

But I'm just thinking like the guys that came after that.

And I can't think of nobody.

Yeah, they were bad.

Yeah, I'm just thinking.

Yeah, that's tough.

Yeah, because Vooch was gone.

Yeah, that was tough.

That's tough.

I mean, who else was cold at that time, though, in high school with you?

Was anybody else getting recruited over you?

Marcus was cold.

Shout out to Moog.

You Marcus class? Yeah, 2011. Damn Damn I was like 150th in their class So yeah, Ann Davis, Gilchrist Marcus Austin Rivers Austin Rivers That's a hell of a That's one of the best I'm just saying Who else was out west? Those was all That's on our side Jaheek Sorry, Jaheek Carson was out west He went to Arizona State, right? Yeah.
Yeah, Arizona.

Jabari Brown, Oregon.

Okay.

Oh, why didn't you go to Oregon?

They went fucking with you?

Because of that, basically.

Oh.

No, I had Oregon too, though.

Yeah, okay.

Because, dude, dude, it was nice to play for Oakland Soldiers.

I don't know who you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Damn.

I mean, I had Brad Bill in that class.

I used to go to all them AAU games. Who'd you play AAU for? Pump and Run.
Pump and Run. Oh, yeah, I know.
Solid. Yeah, I had a fire program.
I remember they had the Lopez twins. Yeah.
Who's in school? Yeah. They got penalty too.
Damn. For the tickets or whatever.
With games and shit. Oh, wow.
Oh, damn. Eight years ago or something like that.
See? Dirty game. Bill Self still chilling.
Shout out to Bill Self. The game is the game.
It's a wicked game, man. Bill Self got it, bro.
Since we talking about college, you know, coming out LA kid, what you think your NIL would have been going to next school? What you think you would have got? I don't think my NIL would have been crazy going to Colorado. Okay.
After your sophomore year. In Colorado though? Yeah.
Oh, it would have been stupid. Even after freshman year.
Do you think you would have transferred after your freshman year? Because you had a good freshman year. Yeah, it depends on the bag.
That nigga would have went to USC. It would have been on the bag.
So I was runner-up to Tony Roden. He was called too.

He had a much better year,

so he deserved it.

Yeah, I mean, they were selling my jersey. They were selling

like mustache gear because I ain't had a goatee at the time.

I was like a little kid. And they were selling

mustache gear in the student store, all types of shit.

So like, oh yeah, nah. NL would have been stupid.

Damn. That's crazy.

Seeing a kid with AJ DeBantle

getting $7 million.

That's crazy. How would kid with AJ DeBensa getting $7 million.

That's crazy.

How would that affect you?

Like, you know, because you different than most of us, bro.

You tapped in cryptocurrency.

Oh, I'm just going to get to that.

Yes, sir.

How would that affect you as a student athlete if they would have liked to offer you $7 million?

Would that affect your mind going to the league? Or you'd have been like, shit, $7 million? I'm cool. I think because I wanted to go to the league.
Yeah. I'd have been still driven.
I think that might have changed how I approached post-injury type vibe. Okay.
I might have got hurt and been like, you know what? Yeah, it's all good.

Before that though, I'd have been like, nah, I still want to go to the league.

It's a dream of mine.

You know how it is when you're a kid.

Even when you get in some hype or whatever, you're so laser focused.

I still want to go to the league.

All that shit don't really matter.

But once you get hurt, it ain't really working out or whatever.

My first two years in the league, just sitting on the bench watching,

I might have been like, I got 10 mil over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was still broke.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that was real.

That's a fact.

That's a fact.

Hey, people don't know.

We was just, before you came here, we was talking about your rookie year.

Yeah.

You still broke, bro.

And how you, and they told me my budget was $3,000.

What was yours?

A month. Mine? Yeah.
It was probably close and they tell me my budget was $3,000. What was yours? A month.
Mine? It was probably close to like $10,000. Damn.
No, no, no. We're not including bills.
Oh, no, no. Just for you just to have a- Oh, probably something like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, damn, Tim.
What the fuck? Where was you at? In Detroit? No, I was in Detroit. But I was like, you got rent and other stuff you got to do.

You know, we were taking out

like exclude rent.

Oh, nah.

Like car payments.

That's how you live.

We were just saying,

just like,

just to like,

just to like for you to,

you know,

buy some extra clothes,

eat,

do whatever you want to do.

I was wearing team gear then.

I was wearing vans then.

So it might have been

a little bit less than three

to be honest. Like I was putting, I was about, like, you know, rent, car, like, any other little stuff you got to do.
But, yeah, no, when I got in the league, my minimum was $500,000. So, like, I was back before inflation and LeBron James got a new TV deal.
That's what I'm saying. I wasn't getting no money.
Was that your parents or more so you, like, giving you the game on how to treat your bread? I mean, both. I mean, my parents stressed, like, saving and stuff.
You know, when you don't have, like, real money like that, you don't know. So, I don't know if they necessarily knew.
But, like, you know, it's just about, like, don't blow it. Yeah.
So, I was real basic. I mean, this is how I've been for real the whole time.
Oh, that's hard. Nothing wrong with that.
They know who you are. You ain't got to show it.
That's how I always feel. That's true.
That's real shit. Obviously, did your thing in Colorado.
You get injured. How's that draft process? Like you talked about immensely a little bit.
How was that whole entire process and then actually getting to the ABA, accomplishing your dream? Yeah, so I got hurt, what, junior year? Middle of junior year, Tormecio. I'm like a whole bunch of other stuff.
Oh, yeah, nah, so basically the draft was just a whole lot of, like, meetings and watching. Yeah.
You don't do nothing because I couldn't work out. So, yeah, I met with all the teams, like, did medical, had, like, 5,000 MRIs, like, all the same questions, all the same stuff.
And I knew I probably wasn't going in the first round because it, like, got hurt, was like edging into the lottery when I was playing and yeah so I just sat there at home and waited to hear my name called first piece of adversity was I thought I had a had a promise a little bit before I ended up getting picked in the second round so I fell a couple spots but it wasn't nothing crazy but like what made you go to the like because I had a similar thing happen to me not to your extreme I didn't turn my ACL but I fell a couple spots, but it wasn't nothing crazy. But, like, what made you go to the, like, because I had a similar thing happen.
Not to your extreme. I didn't turn my ACL.
But I had a grade three MCL sprain in the draft process. Yeah.
So, like, my dad freaked out. Like, yo, you got to go back to school.
But what made you just like, yo, I'm going to the league anyway? So I didn't know nothing about the league, right? And I ain't, nobody had went before, so I didn't know how much like connections mattered and workouts mattered. I was just like, I'm nice.
I'm done with school. They gonna draft me somewhere.
I'm gonna heal up. I'm gonna be whoever's in front of me and we'll just figure it out.
Oh, man. I'm not really thinking like, oh, cause you a second runner.
They ain't investing you. They're not gonna play you.
I'm not knowing nothing about the business. I'm just like, yeah, I'm ready.
I'm not doing this again because I wanted to leave my sophomore year, my dad told me to go back because, you know, I had like, that's when I heard of you a sophomore year. Yeah, so I had like USA team lined up and all this stuff and they're like, who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are.
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So, again, that's not knowing nothing.

He's like, go back.

I'm like, all right, whatever.

So I go back, obviously get hurt, and so fall.

But in my mind, I'm like, I just played all these dudes at the DS Nation.

I just played them all.

I'm not thinking I'm not going to come back.

I'm like, man, whatever.

I'm going to be good.

I'm going to go to the team.

I'm going to be whoever's in front of me, and I'm going to play.

I'm thinking it's like merit-based.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, no. No, no, no, no,.
Yeah. No, no, no.
It's not like business. Not at all.
But I seen you at Adidas Nations. It was just crazy.
Because I was with Adidas. Oh, yeah, you worked at Kansas City.
I used to go there and go see all that. So I seen them.
I seen the Dame Lillards. I seen them.
I seen all these guys. So it's just kind of crazy when I've seen you go to the league.
And I'm fast-forwarding it because you went to – obviously you went to Detroit first. But when Kenny Atkinson, you got with Kenny.
Yeah. Kenny was my – that's my guy.
Yeah, that was my guy guy. So when you got – never mind.
Just go ahead. No, it's like I said.
I'm fast-forwarding. No, because – Who cares? Because Kenny was my guy guy.
So he called me and was like, when you were playing for Kenny, you had a great year. And he was just like, I told him what you told me.
And I was like, what's that? And he was like, I'm comfortable with 32. I don't, nigga, my life's going to be straight if I get 32 million.
And he was like, I don't need a max deal. Like, I'm fine.
Like, if I can't make my life straight with 32 million, I'm doing something wrong. He was like, I told him that.
And I don't know if he told you that, but that's what he told me. Yeah, that was when I was up for that.
Because after leaving Detroit, I signed the slave deal. For sure.
The non-guarantee. Once you're triggered, that one.
And so you're only up for the second round. Since I's like three for 30 or four for 40, whatever it was at the time.
I don't know what it is now. And I didn't want the four for 40 because of layering your years and your contracts.
So I was like, oh, give me the three for 30 with a player option. And that's kind of where that conversation came from.
But yeah, Kenny, without my D-League coach, Nate Linzer and Kenny Atkinson, none of this happens. Yeah.
I didn't want to. My bad for fast forward.
Because I know you went through the Detroit phase. And that's a big part of your journey to me.
Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For sure. With the Detroit stuff, it taught me the hardest version of the NBA.
So, Stan McGonny is like a Miami Heat disciple. For sure.
So you got the three-hour practices, everything, tape, tape shoot-arounds, all of that stuff. Rookie's got to be there two hours before with newspapers and donuts.
And you practice all the time. I had these things called 99.99s after practice where they just put that on a jumbotron and just ran it.
And I just worked out against coaches, full court one-on-one, just like crazy stuff.

Like it's more a test of your will than it is like game improvement.

Me playing one-on-one against, you know, ball boys and coaches, like it's not for real.

You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, it was all that stuff.

At the time, vets got treatment, rookies didn't.

So, you know, I'm fresh off ACL doing all this work. Not really getting treatment like that.
Things like that. Not a bad way.
It's just like the culture of what it was. But that's what set people back because that's why I loved about Leonard.
They didn't do that. Yeah.
So Detroit was like that. So I learned like the absolute hardest iteration, at least in my mind, in the NBA.
So when I got to Brooklyn with Kenny, it was love. And then also, just from a coaching standpoint, he had told me, same like my D-League coach, they were like, look, bro, you're going to make mistakes.
Don't worry about it. Because when you're in the other system and you're thinking, I got to get the ball to this guy.
I got to just run the play that was told to me, like, I got to not mess up. You can't play an imperfect game trying not to mess up.
You know what I'm saying? You just fail every time. So with those two, they were like, yo, like, we believe in you.
Play. Like, do your thing.
And then that's when it was kind of a wrap. Is that when you got comfortable in the league, though? Oh, for sure.
I think in my mind, it takes about a year and a half of being able to just play to get comfortable in the NBA. I think when you first get in the league or when you first start playing, because again, my first two years, you can kind of just leave them on the side.
But let's say year three, I was getting out there like, I got to get to it. Like, just trying to hoop as best I could.
Halfway through probably my fourth year is when it kind of slowed down. You're anticipating reads, anticipating coverages.
You learn what other teams like to do, all that stuff. So I think it takes that time period of actually stacking games.
So let's say maybe 100 games under your belt. Really playing, you're like, okay, this is the NBA style.
What Vic gave you the game, though? In terms of taking care of my body, Joel Anthony, he was a great vet. In terms of just keeping my head up and stuff like that, I would say Karan Butler, Jody Meeks, and Greg Monroe.
Gee, Moose. Oh,ose.
Oh, Moose. Hey, Moose's my dog.
Moose. Big three teammate.
That's my big three teammate. Oh, really? Yeah, I thought that name was Moose.
Yeah, that's his nickname. Ah, Richman.
Yeah. Nah, nah, nah.
So those are the guys that were like... Because we'd do stuff like one-on-ones and things like that, obviously, in practice, and I'd be killing it, right? Never playing, though.
And so they were just like, look, bro. Or look, young fella.
Like, you're going to be all right. It's going to work out.
We see what you're doing in practice. Like, you can play at this level.
Like, something's going to happen. Something's going to happen.
And I don't even think I really believed him at the time. I was just sitting there, like, low-key sulking.
I'm killing it in practice in, like, no minutes. I think one year I played 12 games, and those were all like 30 seconds apiece.
Like I wasn't like playing at all. You talking about fucking stats? I don't know.
When you had an NBA moment? Unless you're like, damn, I'm here now. I'm ready to really get to it.
NBA moment? For my confidence or like just? For your confidence and when you felt like, okay, I'm about to really start trying to give niggas 20 a night.

Was it what you...

That was probably sometime in Brooklyn

when I started feeling like that.

You was shugging that motherfucker in Brooklyn.

Yeah.

That was sometime in Brooklyn.

I mean, but

when I felt like, okay,

you'll be all right, was I had my first start against D. Rose.
I had like 12 and like 10 or something like that. And then I had a game probably like a week later against John Wall at the Wizards and had like 20.
It was like my first 20-point game. And I was like, okay, like, because those are people you look up to.
You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't just like, you know, the backups were playing or you went in there and it wasn't a real game or something like, you know, real games. And, you know, so play well against them.
They gave me confidence like, okay, you can do it. And then in Brooklyn, I mean, I had a run.
It had to be probably year four where I was like hitting like game winners and stuff. And I was like, all right, fuck what everybody's talking about.
It's. Yeah, okay.
That was probably it. So year four.
Yeah, like when we get, when you first get to the league, obviously it's a, it's a difference. Like you start seeing like, damn, I was nice in college, but these dudes was crazy.
Yeah. And so you kind of embrace that moment.
But like when they start picking on you and they do the rookie hazing and they all the little shit that come with being a rookie. Did you have a rookie hazing? Did you get your car popcorn? Did you get you know, I had to bring donuts, all that stuff.
Yeah, I had donuts, the newspaper and then they like, that's an old ass team, that's some newspapers. They like try to tie me to a chair and throw me in an ice tub.
Goddamn. Yeah, because I, like, I had that level of, like, look, I respect all y'all, so I do all this.
But I'm not hearing it, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, if you can't guard me, bro, like, stop talking to me crazy. Like, I don't want to hear that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So there was a level of that, like, they say something, I'll be like, bro, what? Who actually want to get newspapers? Karan.
It's the only person who was born pro boy. And a notebook with a pen because he wanted to occasionally write raps.
And it was like, bro. Did my boy have bars? We celebrate Karan on here.
I don't, brother. He had to carry one of them old school black and white composition joints.
That was when we had it. I was in school.
I'm like, bro, you're not rapping for real. Why am I kidding? I'm celebrating Karan on this show.
I know they mix up his ass. Karan come from the lineage of Joe Smith.
That's one of my bets was Joe

Smith, Eric Dampier,

Eitan Tom. I had some old

heads. So they probably

caught my car though because I wasn't going for nothing.

Bro, that's what I'm saying. I'm in

here like, bro, I'm hearing this.

I bring the donuts, but like, bro, relax.

I brought donuts and they never ate

them and I kept them in my locker and I just kept putting

them in the box out there and finally Josh Smith had a drunk night and they never ate them. And I kept them in my locker and I just kept putting them in the box out there.

And finally, Josh Smith had a drunk night and the donuts were green.

He opened them up.

He said, man, what the fuck?

My car was popcorn.

I ain't gonna lie.

So, Karan never spit nothing for you, bro.

No, bro.

That's crazy.

That's crazy.

See?

That's wild, bro. See, niggas be trying to get deals.
And keep And keep it clean We hear That when I tell Foner Niggas gonna be mad So y'all gotta Pick a side What we doing But like Get it Spit up for him It's crazy bro Damn It's a wrap Spit up Spit your game Talk your shit That ain't no thing Not no more Not now Not now Double them clips Not now Not now Boo the hell on there y'all interviewed the nigga there man listen you childish this bitch bro that's the best thing about this show we childish as fuck it is it's very childish man we gotta talk about it man this is when I realized I was like Spencer is a real hustler cause you trying to get that deal in Bitcoin I my boy is a real finesser. Please talk about how you got to that situation, man.
All right. So the funny part about that is like it made headlines because of the Bitcoin aspect because like the league threatened to kick me out.
That's crazy. Which was a whole nother thing.
But really, it was a play on blockchain technology. So, you know, 30 seconds.
Blockchain technology is about like microtransactions, being able to send stuff peer to peer, like adding liquidity to whatever system it is. So I was trying to decentralize sports contracts, all this betting that we see and everything that's going on now.
Trying to do that shit back in what was was it, 2017 or something like that. So it was a play on opening up the sports contract world.
And they were like, ah, champ, it's through. We're going to kick you out the league.
So I had to redo it in a bunch of different ways to be compliant with the NBA because I love my job. Thank you, guys.
Shout out to the NBA. Thanks.
But yeah, I mean, that's really what it was about. And so it became far more Bitcoin-centric because that's kind of what they were going to allow versus the overall business of what I was trying to do because I mean, as you see with gambling and parlays and everything going on with FanDuel and DraftKings and all that right now I wanted to you know slide my little business idea in there maybe get bought out they make 10 billion dollars I make one and I'm like man it's all good I'm partnering with the league and they were like nah wait that was David Stern right?, right? No.
David Stern said, boy, you would have been... When I read about it, I said, he a mad genius.
I said, he on his way out. I said, that'd be a point with fire.
I said, he a mad genius. I swear, I said, he is a mad genius.
I said, he better leave him alone because he thinking 10 steps ahead.

Man, they lose that hope.

They don't.

I bet he knows.

Don't worry about it.

You know.

Yeah, he was a mad genius.

He was about to be Junior Bridgman.

Yeah, I said he was a mad genius.

They wasn't allowing him to be a mad genius.

Like, it's the NBA. I still love the NBA.
Listen, I can't wait to go to J. Cole's party and what's it called? Dreamville.
I'll be there. Shout out to the NBA.
But I was like, he's a mad... I'm going to Dreamville on the NBA.
I just wanted to say, special boy, the Lord gonna bless you one day. But to think like, because that's the moment when I was like, yo, he different.
Because me, I was just like, hey, I ain't giving fuck about none of that. I got the bread, blah, blah, blah.
But him to think like that, I was like, oh, he different. He probably gonna do something.
So even that, and for you making your own shoe. Yeah, yeah.
And I remember seeing you on the court and I'm like, this nigga really got his own shoe. Like, he really got his own shoe? And now to see that, like, to do that, and then, like, see guys like Jalen Brown, you know.
That's sexy. Yeah.
So that's something that I guess in the history books I probably won't get much credit for, but, like, now it's sexy. I'm happy Jalen Brown's doing what he's doing.
Nah, I'm going to give you your... Oh, so y'all not going to pause him? Nah, I mean, yeah.
But now it's sexy to have your old shit. Nah, nah.
He said it's sexy to have your old shit. But I ain't going to lie.
See that, Grounds, bitch. You ain't getting no pass on this motherfucker, nigga.
When you first did it, I was like, because they kind of looked like Kobe's a little bit. And I was like, he like Kobe.
Like when I first you probably remember I asked for some of them I said yo can I get some of them they was like yeah I asked you I did I was like yo can I get some of his shoes Brooklyn Ball Boys I was like yo tell the dude I want some shoes they was like yeah he don't give them out I was like damn I was like he stingy with the joke I don't know why they said nah he don't be giving them out. I was like, for real? I was like, them shit's weak.
Now it's for expensive. I was like, he don't give them.
I bought the Lazo. You did? I ain't never got them.
LeVar, I'm still waiting for my triple B's. I spent $500 on them.
Didn't buy them. But then I seen yours, and I'm like, bro, he really, you in the game, he really got his own shoe.
And I'm still waiting for my triple B's I spent $500 on them But then I seen yours And I'm like bro he really He really got his own shoe And I'm like That's hard And I'm like tell bro I want some of his shoes He don't give them out What made you do that though? So basically again Kind of entrepreneur mindset I'm again second stuff. Nike wanted to give me like a $50,000 merch deal.

I was just like,

but no,

not $50,000.

Just a little merch.

If you know anything about that,

your family fly through that thing

before you even get it.

For sure.

Yeah.

I might as well not even have it.

I'm sitting there like,

what would it be like to,

you know what I'm saying,

have my own shoe,

blah, blah, blah.

And like,

I used to draw shoes as a kid.

So it was like,

you know, Karan Butler doing his raps. I'm drawing shoes, just killing time.
And I was like, let me try it. And so it's both harder and not as hard as you think if you have like a template to build off of, which was a Kobe.
And so Kobe's my favorite player. I wore Kobe's all the time.
And so that's kind of how my shoe was constructed. And then it turned into a business, basically, which then 361, which is basically almost.
I mean, you got probably like three major brands in China is leaning into 361. And so then they bought me out and my signature went up under them.
And so, you know, now I've had a signature with them for three years and going forward with that. So it ended up working because, you know, that path took me to them.
Not only did I make a little bit of money doing my own shoe, but then, you know, when you're shown you can do it, they buy you out and all that stuff, become partners, everything. They pay you for all that.
So it turned into a whole different type of deal than obviously, like, how it is with like Nike and them like ain't nobody getting no real money off of Nike unless you are the guy 1, 2, 3 yeah you gotta be Bron you know KD Kyrie those guys other than that like you're not making no real money off them but 361 I got some players on that oh that. Oh, yeah.
Definitely. Because we just got Jokic.
Yeah. Yeah, that was like, when Jokic came over, yeah, it's lit.
I think Aaron Gore might be there. Aaron Gore was first.
Yeah. Then it was me.
Yeah. Then now they got Jokic, so it's probably going to be a thing.
Is that just an on-the-court shoe or off-the-court shoe? I mean. They're versatile.
They got some life-shows on. They would say off-the-court, too, but I'm not really a basketball off the court type guy.
I really think the only, I think the only basketball shoes you can get away with off the court is probably Jays, bro. Like nobody's really wearing Kobe's or bronze or anything.
Don't wear the bronze to the club. Let's be real.
Like I know they say you can and like, you know, maybe Brian did some promo for that or Harden did some promo for that, but like, nobody doing that, bro. It's J's.
You got designers, Chucks, Vans, like, in terms of American culture off the court. Yeah.
That's what I just want to do. I wear the 360 ones off the court.
If y'all come, just call me. Y'all know how I am.
Y'all know how I am. We gonna get you.
Y'all know how I am. Yeah.
I wear a lot of shoes. I wear some.
Pull them up, mate. Is mate.
Is that them right there? Yeah, that's last year's. Those are the twos.
Okay. DVD too? Huh? I'm wearing it.
I think it drops in like, I think it was supposed to drop. Can we get some threes, man? Okay.
Can you get some threes, man? We'll wear them on the show. That's why I'm talking about sports.
And I'm hooping them. Matter of fact, I hoop all the time still.
There we go. I hoop the in Antus.
I hooped in some horror nines. It's nines, right? Yes, sir.
Shout out to the nines. I just hooped in some horror nines.
Shout out to the family. Shout out to the Deezer family.
I hooped in the De'Aaron Fox. Shout out to the family.
We're going to get y'all right. Yeah, it is.
Y'all got sweatsuits and shit? We got all that, yeah. All right, cool, bro.
Two eggs. Dayo.
Oh, what for? Dayo. The only reason I got this on right now is because of the Mavericks gear.
That's it Alright just give me a large 2X Crate Y'all funny bro That's hard though That is hard I'll fuck with them too I want that colorway that apple green is fire alright we'll shop off camera for sure I got you listen man hell of a career you've been around for a lot of different stuff I gotta ask you most recently we're gonna fast forward a little bit where were you at when you found out that Luka Dodgers was no longer your teammate yeah that's crazy bruh so let me tell you like I don't think anybody would disagree with this. Going into the season, you would have thought he was untouchable.
Right? Yes, sir. Wimby and Ant Edwards and probably Tatum and L and, you know, those type guys.
It was just crazy because, you know, we had an early game against Cleveland the next day, so I went to sleep early. You know, like, on a normal game day, you might be up 12, 1, whatever.
You ain't got to be up until 8 or 9, so you're still getting your 6, 7, 8 hours, whatever. But we had to be up early.
We were playing at, like, 2 or something like that, so I probably went to bed at, like, 11 or maybe even a little bit earlier than that. So when I woke up, I knew it was a problem.
Or not a problem, but I knew it was someone on because I had, like, other NBA player missed calls, like Zach Levine, D-Lo.

Like, I opened up my phone.

I'm like, why I got, like, three missed calls from D-Lo?

Why I got, like, a couple missed calls from Zach?

Like, the hell going on?

Like, I saw my agent, but, like, whatever.

He's calling for whatever he's calling for.

And then I went to my messages, and that's when, you know what I'm saying,

it set in. So, yeah, I mean, everybody was just shocked, bro.
And then I went to my messages, and that's when, you know what I'm saying, it set in.

So, yeah, I mean, everybody was just shocked, bro. Like, I don't think there's any other way to put it.
Like, you know, both L and AD, my friends. So it's kind of like, you know, it sucks that they're also acting like AD ain't probably a top five power forward all time.
So, like, they're actually a bag of chips or something, which is crazy. But I just think anybody that said they could have thought it was going to happen or predicted it or that's a lie.
Like everybody was, everybody was shocked. Yeah, that's one of the moments where everybody remembers where they were when that shit happened.
That was like a monumental NBA moment. That's going down in NBA history.
It was one of the most shocking moments in NBA history. For sure.
The fact that it was, it's not a... Like, I know everybody got hurt this year.
Yeah. I mean, y'all...
Everybody's hurt. Oh, it's insane.
Yeah, it's crazy. We almost forfeited a game or something like that.
That's what the report said. I don't know the rules, but that's what they said.
They said that we almost forfeited. Damn.
It's crazy everybody got hurt, but when you look back at that trade, it's not a... Luka is great.
Man, he's amazing. but it's crazy everybody got hurt but when you look back at that trade it's not a Luka is great man he's amazing but it's not as bad as it looks no that's what I said like AD a top 5 powerful yeah top 75 for sure you know what I'm saying top 75 and if you look at what he was able to do in conjunction with like Gaff and stuff in the Rockets game the one one game they played, they played the first half.
I think the Rockets scored 38 points maybe. Yeah, it was.
And the Rockets obviously are what? Second in the West, something like that. They hooping, they doing well.
And that trio of PJ, AD, and Gaff, there was nowhere to go. So, you know, that was exciting to see.

I understood what was going on.

I mean,

it still was a shocking trade.

I understood it.

But it wasn't like,

damn,

they ain't getting nothing back.

Yeah, that was the thing.

And like I said,

they both my friends.

And L to me is

probably the best

offensive player

in the NBA right now.

You know what I'm saying?

But AD might be the best two-way player,

probably him and Giannis, right?

So it's not like...

Yes, sir.

It's a tough position to be in.

Like I said, the only thing that sucks

is that they acting like AD a bum.

That's the crazy part.

You can feel how you feel about the trade,

win, lose, better for now, better for future, whatever it may be. But, like, we got to stop acting like AD ain't AD.
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That's just a bad one. That's Anthony Davis, bro.
Yeah, we got to stop that. Well, we talking about good guards now.
Now we talking my language. Yeah.
You said Luka, the best offensive guard. Yeah.
You think Luka Bag is deeper than Shea or Ant Edwards? You guard all these. And you a bigger guard.
And you one of the best isolation guards in the league. Yes.
And I know that. I know that.
I know that. Listen, listen.
I tell people this all the time. I think this year right now I'm like top 15, but every other year I've been like top 10.
Yeah, I know. I've been like one, two, or three.
Don't go shit. I know.
I know. I'm top 10.
Like, it'd be years where like, and I'd be catching hella heat on like social media and shit because they'll look at like the rankings and it'll be like KD, Jimmy, Spence. And then like the other guys would be like Tatum.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. the hell he in there? Why in there? It's like, bro, like, nah, that between the legs hesitation.
He's going, I know it. Draw the foul.
I'm there. I'm there.
I'm locked in. I know you.
I know it. Hey, but, nah, I would say, back between those three, you guard all three the toughest cover toughest cover for me Chase Bax no so here's the deal I think I think styles make fights like for example somebody I hate guarding that won't be in that list Darius Gar Garland.
Shout out to DJ. He just so much just jittery shit that I'm like, bro, relax.
End of my career. Shout out to DJ.
Yeah, I'm like, bro, stop moving so much. Shea likes to get to that big shoulder bump to the midi, which for me is a little bit easier than, like I said, Darius gone or something like that because I can kind of pause, if necessary, absorb that contact and still kind of play him.
I like that. Okay.
But he got a crazy whistle, though. So you don't fuck around and foul out, too.
Superstar whistle, for sure. Superstar.
L got post-game, but Ant right now with the way he's shooting a three and as explosive as he is like that's tough cover too so you're going to sleep early for Ant yeah I mean they all nice though it's tough like to be honest like Shea's bag with pivots and stuff like that in terms of what we think of as guards it's probably a little bit deeper than theirs but Ant's got the explosiveness and once you add the post game it's like Shea's bag with pivots and stuff like that in terms of what we think of as guards. It's probably a little bit deeper than theirs.

But Ant's got the explosiveness.

And once you add the postgame,

it changes that conversation with L

because, you know, you put a small guy on L,

like he's really walking you to the block.

Like Shea's bump fade off the block,

that's more like ISO two-man game.

Like Luka really bury you. Like he'll just walk you down, walk you down, walk you down.
Push shot at three feet. You know what I'm saying? Like, they all self-covers.
They all, to me, are elite guards. Obviously, they all in the MVP conversation every year, whatever they've been these last couple of years.
But, I know you and like, seeing you compete against them and you were a bigger guard to me. But you 6'5", 6'6".
I'm 6'1". I used to be like this motherfucker tall as shit.
And you were a lot taller than what I thought. Yeah, a lot taller as shit.
So I remember I was on the Pacers and you were playing for Brooklyn and the point guard was Isaiah Whitehead. You started at Brooklyn.
Isaiah Whitehead. Yes, I swear.
And people that know me I talk shit all day. So I'm talking shit to Kenny.
I'm like, you got to get this motherfucker out of here. He can't play.
I'm like, he can't play. And Kenny's like, y'all shut the fuck up.
And then you subbed in. And Kenny, y'all shooting a free throw.
I walked to the side, I'm like, yo, he can't play. He was like, this motherfucker can.
He pointed at Spence. I'm like, I'm like, what? He wasn't playing.
He was like, he's going to be starting from here on out. I'll tell you that.
Watch. I'm telling you.
6'6". Me and him are having a conversation in the middle of the game.
Then I seen it. Fast forward.
I'm like, damn, this motherfucker about to get paid. Kenny's seen.
You came off the bench, and it was just Brooke Lopez shooting threes and all that shit. Then you came, and you started starting.
You had your run. But Kenny called that shit out.
I remember that game. Isaiah Whitehead was starting.
You came in, and he called that shit. You a bucket for sure.
I appreciate you, Kenny, man. Yeah.
Love you, dog. Yeah, Kenny, a real one.
For sure, man. The blueprint's real with him.
We talk about Todd Jerome right now. Like, his impact on guards is proven for sure, man.
That's a fact. Even, like, D-Lo.
Yeah. When he got with Kenny, it was just.
For sure. I think, like, the other thing, too, is, like, when Kenny was younger, he used to hoop with you.
He used to really be in the trenches. Like, so you felt like he had your back in a sense.
Like, he gonna do the workout with you type of vibe. Like, sometimes it was was crazy and he got hurt doing it.
He tore his quad one time doing that shit. But damn.
Oh, yeah. And I was trying to isolate Jared Allen when we was all kids, basically.
Back in Brooklyn. Tore his shit.
Kenny got a pause. Kenny doing 101.
Jared Allen was great. I was trying to really, like, Kobe clear out.
I used to play Kenny. I used to play Kenny every day.
But he used to play with no shoes. Oh, I from? Oh, no, he used to play barefoot.
Excuse me? I swear to God. Kenny American? He played overseas for a long time.
He went to Richmond, but he used to play barefoot. I come in, he will be barefoot.
I'm like, Kenny, where that came from? And then, he do your drills, he'll guard you the whole drill. But he used to play barefoot.
Three on three with us. Kenny got got the lemon pepper stepper.
That boy out there hooping with no socks on. That boy got the real grip.
I was right here. I was just making it a league.
I was starting. I got with Kenny.
Made it all. Start seeing Kenny left.
Start cruising again. Playing niggas that are in the NBA one-on-one on a hardwood floor.
Nah, he's barefoot. He's different, bro.
I swear to my right-handed guy, y'all ever meet Kenny and I can ask him he used to play with no shoes. I didn't know that.
I didn't see that. I swear to God.
But yeah, nah, he'd be in the Foxhole with you. People don't understand how much like situation, a coach's belief, all that stuff, like it matters because there's only so many people that can go to the front office and be like, oh, nah, this is what we're going to do.
I don't care what the coach says, blah, blah, blah. If you're under that superstar tier, bro, and the coach says, nah, we're going to play this way, then that's the way you're playing.
Whether that's to your strength, whether it's not, you might be out there looking ass, even though you got a specific strength. But if he tell you to do it, you try to do it so I remember Kenny that's why I'm happy for what they doing in Cleveland you have a hell of a year and you see all them guys thriving even the guys come off the bench have moments I'm a big advocate for Kenny Atkinson that's one of my favorite coaches I ever played for for sure you coming up under Kenny could you see yourself coaching one day or taking one of them type of roles in the league? Hooping against the young niggas barefoot? I mean, since I, for sure.
Not that. For me, I mean, I could see if, like, because Dallas got a real good, like, family kind of atmosphere.
I think, you know, Cuban really tried to, or MC, sorry, really tried to establish that. I think it's carrying over, obviously, with a lot of former players like Tyson Chandler, Sean Marion, still employed by him.
Mike Finley. Yeah, Mike Finley.
If it was a situation where I was almost a practice player, but getting just a small assistant coach salary, not nothing crazy, but practice player, I come in on your home games, but I don't got to travel. Like all that, like I could do that.
But the passion of really being like a head coach and all that. It's too serious.
Ain't Sham got over there over travel? Yeah. But Sham a real coach though.
Like he travels, he's doing all the stuff. Locked in.
I'm like a... I want to come in.
Tyson Chandler. Tyson Chandler right now.
He's at every home game, all the home practices. He don't travel.
Like, I could do that. Like, practice with the players, stay in shape, be an OG, get wisdom.
But then, like, when y'all leave and y'all stress. I see y'all.
I get back. I see y'all want to get back.
I'm not going to Indiana. What kind of game are you beginning from? Damn, Spencer.
That's where we are right now. I feel you.
I feel you. Spencer, I'm put up to that talk.
That's crazy. Spencer, we love you anyway, man.
I don't know. I just, that's where we at.
I feel feel you I feel you Spencer put up to that talk that's crazy Spencer we love you anyway I don't know that's where we at I feel you but one thing I'll say about the mask is to be here and get a test hey they take care of that people boy listen we went last year I ain't gonna bring that up man I'm just talking about the hospitality bro we can that food back for the friends and family was piff yeah yeah it was not what the patients had nah y'all eat y. You know what I'm saying? Our man, he just, he chose to get a Wagyu hot dog.
Yeah. He travels.
He eats hot. Hot dog contests, all that type of shit.
He went for the glizzy. He went for the glizzy.
He's a glizzy monster. He's a glizzy monster.
They said they had lobster, steak, shrimp, shrimp They took care of us He went to the Wagyu station And got a glizzy Yeah Freaky Mike went and got a glizzy Added lobster, steak, and shrimp You know it's different when you eat with white people They say you try to glizz around. Oh, wow.
They say, oh, wow. The ad-landed hitter is crazy.
This nigga embarrassing us all the way in Dallas. Shout out to the Bavs.
First class organization, for sure. For sure, for sure.
Listen, obviously it's been an up and down year for y'all but i want to ask you um i know you are tapping into the to social medias but you're like your teacher i don't want to talk about too much about it but how was that like playing for that organization and then like being on the internet at the same time oh uh i mean just because i'm from la you kind of understand going there, what it's going to be. So I didn't go in there expecting, like, for it to be something different.
Okay. Because the way I got there, obviously, with the whole, like, Brooklyn thing and all the shit that went on that way, and then picking a team in the buyout market, You know, for Dallas, they had,

Dallas and Lakers kind of had a similar year.

Like, nobody knew Dallas was going to take off.

Like, the PJ and Gaff additions, like,

like, changed the whole trajectory.

You know what I'm saying?

Most definitely.

And the way they gelled and all that stuff.

So, you know, credit to them, making the finals.

With the Lakers, like, I knew, okay,

D'Lo's there, AR's there, Bron, AD.

So, it's not like I'm going to come in there and average 20, like, you know that going in there. And for the fan base, like, you knowLo's there, AR's there, Bron, AD.
So it's not like I'm going to come in there and average 20. You know that going in there.
And for the fan base, you know it's win or you ask. There's no in between.
Certain fan bases are like, oh, you tried hard. You know what I'm saying? They're like, win or you suck.
And I went there knowing that. So it wasn't as bad as for me, for some people.
I was mad at you, man. For not going to Dallas? I said he got to go to Dallas because you just had a phenomenal.
Yeah. You just showed.
I'm like, he know them. Yeah.
He just killed there. Yeah.
He got to go back there. And when you went to L.A., I said, he got to go to Dallas.
You said it on here too. I did.
I said he supposed to go to Dallas. Nah.

Hindsight, yeah.

I mean, obviously, with the finals run and back here this year and all that stuff, like, for sure would have been great. But it's hard to turn down L.A.
Bro, it's, yeah. Like, it's, you know, you're L.A.
And, like, all that stuff. And like I said, at the time, both teams were kind of in like the middle slash lower end of the playoff race of the Western Conference.
Like nobody knew. I think they went like 18-2 at one point.
Like nobody saw that. They was ball.
When the switch clicked, or how you want to say it, like Dallas took off. You know what I'm saying? So I don't regret it, but obviously like, you know, who wouldn't want to go to the finals? After already being at the conference finals.
So, you know, it is what it is. No, for sure.
That's definitely, I got to ask, man. Some of the practices you've probably seen, you got two of the most skilled basketball players between Luke and Kyrie.
What's it like just to see them up close? Obviously, we know you, Cole, but just to see them just hoop on a consistent basis. Is that motivating? Is everybody buying to that? Can you see everybody empty on teams is like, I really fuck with basketball for real.
You don't see that a lot. I think the difference with Kyrie and any other player that I've been around, again, maybe pause if needed, but like the way he moves is like,

it's like artistic in a sense.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's just, it's a very different like eye test, right?

Like some people are explosive.

Some people are, you know, this or that dominant can shoot it well,

whatever, like been around a lot of greats, like even the KDs, Lucas, Braun, even like, it's just the way he does it well, whatever. Been around a lot of greats, even the KDs, Lucas, Braun even.
It's just the way he does it is more appealing to look at, if that makes sense. Yeah, Lucas is dominant.
He can run off 10 threes. He can post you up.
He can get to the dark fade in the midi. He got everything.
And then his passing is sensational, too.

So, you know, I mean, there's nothing you can't say about L, right?

But I just think, like, the eye test from just, like, how it looks,

probably him and Paul George probably got the most appealing games to look at.

Nah, Paul George is amazing.

You talk about all the youngsters. They always say, well, I want play like, Paul George.
When I used to watch him in practice, when we played in Indiana, I used to be like, he cold. Yeah, you used to say that all the time.
I'm like, he cold, bro. Legendary crossover snatchback, bro.
He was cold. Only game I seen that was better than him in practice was Derrick.
Like, when he seen D-Rose, it was just like, man, what the hell? Something ain't right. How are you moving this fat? You didn't, you didn't did it.
People saying you sad, you didn't feel a lot, and you still just doing shit that's unbelievable. But I couldn't imagine Kyrie, you know, guarding him.
At one point in my career, I guarded Kyrie more than anybody in the NBA. Really? That's a fact, bro.
That is a fact, which is crazy. And I had, I guarded him more than anybody else.
So I've experienced those islands. Yeah.
And like his shot making ability was always a thing for me. Like, I remember one game we played Indiana.
I guarded, I literally guarded for 18 seconds. I remember watching a clip when I came back and I was guarding my ass off.
And to know Kyrie, he can go left and do all that shit. But he prefers to go right, right? That's his preferred hand.
He can go left. We know that.
But I was forcing left and I was on that shit. And somehow he got back to that right anyway.
And he hit a fallout fadeaway. Nobody helped me, mind you.
He went from the left side of the court all the way to the right side of the court.

He shot a fade away and hit it.

I never got any help.

And after the game, I watched the clip, and I was just like, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

And mind you, that game, he had 37 points.

Damn.

But all his shots were just like in my face.

And I was like, I can't guard no no better So I might as well just stop I'm not lying bro Yo What the fuck are you doing? Are we on our show or? He just serving everybody He gave me I'm not He's it I'm not gonna lie I guard him the most Like shit He was averaging 28 Oh averaging 28. Oh, yeah.
So, yeah. He had a lot of 40s.

How many times did he get 40?

Yeah.

So.

Okay.

Damn.

Hold on.

First of all.

Shit.

That's when he first went to Brooklyn.

I know that game.

Oh, that was a Minnesota game?

Yeah.

I would guard him that whole game.

I wonder if that's that clip.

Yeah, yeah.

When he fell and tried to cross him.

I almost made it.

I don't know what he got against me.

I don't know why he was like that on me, bro.

So thirsty to be an anti-athlete.

You know what?

I think we're going to go through.

It's a soldier.

I hooped in Kyrie today.

I'm not.

He never had under 20.

Ever had under 20?

He never had under 20?

One time.

He had zero.

Yeah, I locked him up.

He right there playing.

That's a DMP.

He right there playing.

Put that on T-Grestle, man.

He had 20 every year.

Every year.

Them putting a zero point on you,

and he didn't play, is crazy.

Damn, he had 20 points every year.

That nigga can't even guard me on the bench.

Oh, yeah, first game ever.

Yeah, I locked him up, that guy. I remember he was a rookie.
I told him after the game, I said, you're going to be a good player, kid. You're lying.
I did. No.
Keep working, man. You're going to be good.
We beat the shit out of him. We probably beat him by 30.
I'm like, hey, you're going to be good. But he knew he was unreal then.
But I called y'all. Yeah.
Oh, God, he did. That's a fact.
We had a conversation. I said, yo, he's going to be the best.
He's one of the hardest players I've ever had to guard. He's going to be one of the coach players in the NBA.
But I said, you're going to be good, kid. Keep working.
Next thing you know, he ain't score under 20. What the? Mike, fuck you.
Hey, your memory's amazing, bro. The stories you tell me.
I don't know. Appreciate that.
What'd I do? Okay. Go ahead.
Mike, I didn't play a lot. We've blown him out.
Only 14 is great. Mike, I didn't play a lot.
How many minutes? How many minutes? Oh, we didn't play a lot. Oh, yeah.
That's it. That's half a game.
I didn't even get the fourth quarter. That's half a game.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's it.
That's night. How many points did he have? Motherfucker.
I don't know. Playing 44 minutes.
That's the whole game. Y'all gonna say, boy, you did not slip at all.
You playing for teams, nigga? I don't know what game that was. I ain't never played 44.
He had a good night. He shot more than me.
Clearly. Did I ever have a good game? Did I have a good game against him? Yeah.
Okay. Let one let's shut that one yeah 34 okay cool and a game winner as a matter of fact I hit the game winner on Tristan yeah it is okay cool what's your high 40 I would say yeah on who the Spurs DeJounte and D-White.
Wow. Pull it up.

What the fuck?

What year was that?

Hold on.

Load up the drink.

You gave us 36?

I didn't know that.

Where was I at?

I am.

So you gave 40 DeJounte and us?

That's a tough one.

Getting 40 on the Spurs?

I remember that because D-White's my guy.

Yeah, Colorado.

Yeah, okay. But getting 40 on the Spurs? I remember that because D-White's my guy.
Yeah, Colorado. Yeah, okay.

But getting 40

on the Spurs

is crazy.

That's a hell of a

college ball too.

Oh, I mean,

we weren't together.

I know what I'm saying,

but that's crazy.

For sure.

The type of players

y'all are,

that's crazy.

But I can believe

he gave us 36.

I remember a couple games

you had really good games

on us.

And I just used to laugh because I just remember Kenny. Oh, shit.
Yeah, I ain't give a fuck. Was I playing? Oh, yeah, it was dark.
That was your first year, wasn't it? 19? Nah, he was. Nah, I was.
I was on the way out. That was last year.
That was before double zero return. Yeah, I was out of here.
I probably was like, kill him. I probably was like, keep killing, boy.

Go crazy, Spence.

Yeah, he had a game, boy.

That's a good game.

That's a good game.

Yeah, shit.

Yeah, 36, 85.

He filled the sash it up.

Shit.

Shout out to my boy.

Matter of fact, wrote a clip when we did a video.

We wrote a drink.

Get the YouTube out.

Yeah, that'd be a hell of a reel. Make sure I wasn't in none of those.
No, no, no. Just do a Kyrie compilation for a real time.
Featuring Spence. So, hold on.
Wait, what was wrong? I didn't have Kyrie give me 40. It is.
This is going to give me 40. I got me 40.
Hey, go ahead, keep going, man. I appreciate that.

I'll take it.

Pause.

36 with Spence,

40 Kyrie.

Nah.

That's a lot.

I never sat with a defensive player.

I've never once voiced that.

We're going to make Jeff

clip up the flag of Files.

We're going to clip him up.

I don't know why

I thought he was small,

though.

I didn't know he was 6'6", bro.

Nah, he tall.

You walked this one

and said,

damn, and he got on some vans. That nigga tall for real.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is real legit.
Nah, yeah. I'm 6'1".
Now, listen, we started off this episode talking about how you saving money. Obviously, you know, you're financially intelligent, but when you first got the bag, you was real comfortable with, what was your crazy purchase? Well, I waited to the end of my rookie year, and I got a Tesla.
Okay. So that was at the very end, basically going into my second year.
That was it. Other than that...
You keep it simple. Nah.
Yeah, I mean, bro, I didn't have no money. I didn't have no money for real.
Were you living in LA still, or...? Yeah, but like... Shoot, my first year, I went back to my parents' house.
My second year, I had like a, actually I might have went back to my parents' house my second year. In my third year, I think I had like one of the little apartments in Beverly Hills, but it wasn't like one of them crazy penthouses.
It wasn't none of that. It was like real regular.
I moved with my parents my fifth year. Yeah.
You said you moved in or moved out? Well, I moved in with my parents. Oh, but you went back here though, right? Yeah, moved right in with my parents' base.
That's a different situation. He's still trying to live like Michael Orr.
Tell him why. He didn't have to.
I hate him. My parents took my house..
So when I moved back, they rented out their house. Yeah, I was a guest in my home.
And they literally took over my bedroom. And they like, I came in there, my teeth, everything was different.
My bed was in the basement. I just, I worked it out for that year.
How was that living at home with your parents though, bro? In the league. Did you have to come in the house before A certain time? Nah, I ain't gonna lie to you at that time Cause you gotta remember I'm like, what, 21, something like that So I'm not like, oh, oh, they're like Hey, could you, you know, check in when you're gonna Yeah, nah, they were like that Cause my parents are like, old school Facts, yeah So they were saying all that Yeah, I would've, yeah.
Yeah, I would have went right back to Detroit. I remember I came to stay in my house my rookie year, my mom and dad house.
I came home for my birthday weekend. I came home at four.
My mom was like, whoa. Like, we not doing that.
Damn. And I said, I'm going back.
Because I'm doing that. You don't know my life, but I live in Atlanta.

The club don't start to long.

Oh, yeah.

Nah, you had it rolling. Yeah, I'm lying.

I'm in Detroit, bro.

I'm in Detroit.

Nah, nah, nah.

Because you thinking Detroit, Detroit.

I was out in Auburn Hills.

Ooh, it was different.

At the Palace.

At Auburn Hills.

Yeah, that was.

But what we used to be at, Birmingham?

Yeah.

It was nice.

That was like 30-minute drive, bro.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, respect.

I just, I don't know. Just you being in the league and your daddy saying, hey, my nigga, you wild.
Like, they kept it cool, though. I mean, it was subtle.
It wasn't like, nah, you can't do it. It was like, hey, you know, like, can you cheer? Like, let us know.
And I was just, they just were, they just parents. Ain't no wrong with anything.
It was cool. Plus, like I said, bro, I was broke.
Like,'t even get a first round million. No, it was like $500,000.
So after taxes, $250,000. After you spend your monthly, you got maybe $100,000, $150,000.
I'm like, whatever it was. You're not in a rush to be like, oh, I'm going to spend $5,000, $6,000 on an apartment for a couple months and that $100,000 turn into hundred turned into eighty.
Okay, but when you got that bag from Brooklyn, everybody gets some. I mean, I like watches and cars.
I like that. Yeah, I like that.
See, don't let them look full. I did.
That's what these niggas do. I got a couple things.
I got the Panther and the Spider-Man, the APs.

Look at him.

Look at him.

He a watch guy.

I ain't ever bought nothing.

Oh, really?

I bought a house.

You did.

That's all.

I didn't buy my crib in LA till my second deal.

That's when I got that one.

There we go.

Yeah.

Nah, you did it smart.

Yeah, smart, man. I housed up immediately.
I was ready to be A&P. It was worth it.
I was ready. I was ready to have it going.
I was ready to have it going. I was ready to have it going.
Yeah, yeah. The real content house.
I was ready to get the content rolling. Before the bar.
Yeah, facts, facts. I was A&P.
I was ready to throw the parties. Pool parties going crazy.
Yeah, I was lit.

But other than that, I ain't bought nothing.

I still ain't bought nothing.

I still need to buy a watch.

Oh, yeah.

You got to do that.

Yeah, I'm free.

I haven't bought a watch ever.

I'm surprised by that.

Yeah, I got to do something.

You got to cop the rally off the straps.

Off the straps.

For sure.

They do.

My wife's wedding ring. They might like me.
Cost enough. For sure.
Listen, man, we know you got plenty of things to do, man. We appreciate you sliding, man.
Tell the people they can grab the kicks at, man, to support, baby. I think it's 361.
You're going to say that. He said he thinks.
No, I don't know. Wapsack.
USA, not Hong Kong. No, no, no.
Hey, listen, they the best part as ever. Make sure you put it on film.
I just don't know the website USA not Hong Kong hey listen they the best part as ever I just don't know the exact website because it's like three different websites there we go they got like three different websites and shout out to Spence man it's been a great time I ain't gonna lie now we gonna need our shoes oh yeah cause we gonna treat you like the 3B company bro. Now we put him on.
We going to need our shoes. Yeah, I got you.
Oh, yeah, because we're going to treat you like the 3B company, bro. Lamar Ball and them.
We're going to treat you like them. If our shoes are going to come, we definitely going to shout it out.
Triple B. Look, it's official.
They're right there, bro. It's not even in my control.
No, no, no. No, no, no.
No, no. No, no, no.
No, no, no. No, no, no.
No, no, no. Y'all should talk to my people.
Y'all should. Well, niggas ain't talking to my people.
Thisiggas say talk to my people

y'all should be in my control

I'm talking about the website

that's the general mission

fuck deal

we in the club

y'all should be in my control

for sure man

thank you though

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