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Contract worth up to $69 million. Diggs is 31 years of age, working his way back from a torn ACL.
But Mike Vrabel is all in on Diggs saying, yeah, just trying to make sure we're supporting Drake and supporting the football team. And again, this is a highly competitive, confident receiver that's produced throughout his career in multiple ways, play and style.
Yeah. He's got to play strength to him, and he sees that he can play physical, you know, route, craft, good, run after catch, and that's good in the red zone.
And there's a play style to him that's always appreciated. And that's what we want to continue to enhance and make sure that he's doing things to help us.
Are you surprised that he got that length of deal, that kind of deal coming off of ACL? No, absolutely not. No, because no, I wasn't surprised because they were in need of a playmaker of this magnitude, even with Stephon Diggs coming off ACL.
I understand. Rabel understands.
Robert Kraft understands. And I tweeted it out.
I'm not sure if people in the chat can pull up a tweet that I said right before he even got signed. When he went on the visit, I said something to the likes of one leg, two legs, no legs at all.
Make sure he leaves that building with the deal. Not only I'm talking about the competitor that he is, and the ability for him to be able to get open and manipulate defenses, even if he doesn't play on the outside, even if he plays on the inside.
That's a target that Drake May needs that he can be relying on during football season. There's enough time from now with him rehabbing because I've already seen some drills with Stephon out there working already, and I'm seeing how far he's coming so far.
Yeah, I saw him squatting, but I was surprised. I thought somebody would make a prove it deal one year.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Don't show one year, $15 million with a chance to make 20, 25 million.

Right.

But who knows?

We haven't seen the intricacies of this deal.

It might be a one year deal disguised as a three year deal because we saw T.

Higgins deal. And basically it's a one year deal.
Okayised as a three-year deal because we saw T Higgins deal and basically it's a one-year deal okay yeah okay yeah uh I like it though I like especially yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure uh veteran receiver uh good to me to me some people would probably won't like it I think a good locker room presence especially for the receivers for Drake may Drake May, being able to converse and learn from Diggs on some of the things when it comes to the route running and processing information and understanding what he sees and what he may see and how things, you know. Yeah, back to the ATV, Rodney Rogers got paralyzed.
You remember Rodney Rogers, the Wake Forest, great talented player, Denver Nuggets. He got paralyzed.
I think he was at Phoenix at the time, but he ended up getting paralyzed on one. He was a hell of a player, Ocho.
Rodney Rogers left-handed, went to Wake Forest. He might have been player of the year in the ACC.
Look that up, Ash. He was a hit.
Ocho. I'm talking about he was built like a football player.
Y'all remember Rodney Rogers? He looked like Larry Johnson, basically. Oh, he was thinking of like, he was, I'm talking about, he was built like a football player.
And Chad, y'all remember Rodney Rogers?

He looked like Larry Johnson, basically. Oh, he was thinking, he was, oh no, Ocho.
I'm talking about grandma, I'm talking about grandma. He was like a taffle.
He was that big? Yes, he was ACC player of the year, Ocho. When the ACC, when the Carolinas, and they were loaded back then.
He was Yeah, he was a... There was another one guy, Williams, the boxer.
He ended up being shaggy. Paul.
Paul. Paul Williams on a motorcycle.
Paul told about 2,000 punches a round, man. Paul was a joy to watch.
He was a big-ass welterweight. Oh, yeah.
Big, big, big, big. Hey, yeah.
I just wish guys like, yeah. Just guys, just be careful.
That's all I'm saying, Ocho, because I don't want to see guys mess up their careers. Look, have fun.
My mindset was just different. Once I got that money, I said, you know what? I'm going to make this money as long as I can.
Now, once my career is over, because your career is going to be over in the mid-30s anyway. I can hop on a motorcycle or a dirt bike, but I ain't going to mess no money up.
Right. None.
I ain't going to give none. Like you say, you ain't giving none of it back? I ain't giving none of it back.
Because, you know, look, basketball players, baseball players, they don't matter what happens. That's money guaranteed.
We ain't got no guaranteed money, Ocho. Yeah.
Hey, uh, one, so don't, $760 million. $750.
Guaranteed. Yeah.
Show hate. Guaranteed.
Mookie. Everybody don't want to live like that, man.
Everybody's not going to have that mindset. People want to be free.
People want to enjoy themselves without thinking of the negatives of what could happen or what if this happens. They just want to enjoy themselves, especially at this age, especially in this era we are now.
It's just different. There's so many things to do, so many things you can enjoy.
Listen, I totally agree with you. I understand.
But I'd rather than be safe and free or doing things confined in areas that they shouldn't be doing. Hey, well, if you feel that way, like I say, bless their heart.
That ain't me. I don't...
We good? We good? All right. Oh, Joe, we got a very special guest.
The director, Black Panther, the director of Creed. He's a recipient of four NAACP Image Awards.
He's been nominated for two Academy Awards, the Golden Globe and the Grammy. He's the director, as I mentioned, Black Panther and Creed.
He has a new movie that's coming out in April called Sinners. Here he is, Ryan Coogler.
Ryan, how you doing, bro? I'm happy to be with y'all, bro. I'm happy that you're with us.
Man, I'm feeling good, bro. Like, big fans of y'all coming up.
I used to play football not as well as y'all. But big fans of y'all there.
And then watching y'all transition, man, it's been beautiful, bro.

It always warms

my heart when I see

athletes prolong that career, you know

what I'm saying?

Well, let me ask you this, Ryan.

You played football.

Did you have professional or collegiate

aspirations?

Absolutely, bro.

I used to play with Marshawn.

Okay, bro. Yeah, absolutely, bro.
I used to play with Marshawn. Okay, bro.
Okay, beef, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We from the same neighborhood, so. Okay.
You know, I played against him in Pop Warner High School and college. Yeah.
I played at Sacramento State. Right.
So, also, bro, we both played from the same college, man. You remember Coach Steve Muschagin? Hey, Coach Moose.
Yeah, Coach Moose. Yeah, Coach Moose gave me my scholarship at Sacramento State.
Oh, yeah, look at that. That's me scoring a touchdown on Davis right there, on UC Davis.
Oh, that's loud. You were wide receiver, right? I was.
I played slot. I was.
Oh, yeah, man. I mean, I'm not like y'all, bro, but I pay for school.

You know what I'm saying?

I pay for school.

You feel me?

Yeah, they all go.

Yeah.

And that's dope, man.

Coach Moose is good, man.

Coach Moose.

So let me ask you this.

Okay, you go to college.

You have a nice little college career.

When did you decide to say, you know what?

Film is going to be the direction that I go in.

Yeah, bro, that's a great question. So I got my first scholarship to a school called St.
Mary's College. And it's known as a basketball school.
We used to have a football team. And then they dropped the program after my freshman year.
Okay. I played quite a bit that season.
I was returning kicks. I was playing receiver.
I played a little bit of DB that year. So I got some more scholarship offers.
But while I was there, there was a woman named Rosemary Graham who taught a creative writing class. And she read something I wrote.
And she was like, hey, man, you should think about writing screenplays. My girlfriend at the time, she's now my wife, she bought me a little software that I could write screenplays.
I fell in love with it, man. By the time I transitioned to Sacramento State, I was doing it on the side, taking classes and shooting short films with my homies.
Then I applied to film school in 2007. It's crazy, bro, because I was doing real well going into my real well going into my senior year and I got an injury doing seven on seven where a walk on, a cat was trying to walk on the team, was over eager and he caught me on a post and broke my zygomatic arch right here.
So it was, I was eight weeks off where I couldn't lift, I couldn't do anything and during that time I realized like I need to put this application in for film school. Man, football is fleeting.

You know what I'm saying?

So I applied to USC film school, and I got accepted.

I found out I got accepted in the middle of the season.

And right around that time, man, I started to find myself, my mind wondering when I'll be on the field.

Thinking about something else.

I'm thinking about a movie I want to make.

I'm thinking about being on set.

That shit is dangerous when you're doing that.

It is. Football, you got to be all in.
And I was kind of when I knew, you know what I mean? Right. That's dope, man.
I want to talk. Listen, I'm a movie head.
I enjoy films. I enjoy the arts and the crafts of it.
I enjoy getting lost in character. I get very passionate when I talk about stuff like this.
So I watched the trailer for Sentence.

And to me, it seemed like a unique blend

of supernatural

action, you know, mystery and psychological

theory. How did you approach this

genre and

bending concept? And what was it about

this story that made you want to tell it?

That's a beautiful question, man.

So I had an uncle

who was from Mississippi. You know, I'm from Oakland.

But I had an uncle who was from Mississippi

and he was like the oldest memory of my

Thank you. That's a beautiful question, man.
So, so, so I had an uncle who was from Mississippi, you know, I'm from Oakland, but I had an uncle who was from Mississippi and he was like the oldest member of my family, oldest male member of my family. You know what I'm saying? So whenever I kicked it with him, he wanted to listen to all blues records and drink all time of whiskey.
You know what I'm saying? And, and, um, and he passed away while I was working on Creed in 2015. And I never really, really reckoned with, with, with his passion.
You know what I'm saying? I would put blues records on to think about him, and that was how I got the idea for this, man. Coming off of Black Panther, it was a real long movie that would count for everyone.
We dealt with a lot of tragedies, a lot of misfortune, the COVID situation. So for me, I wanted to make something that was quick, but also something that was very unique, very profound, you know what I'm saying? And I wanted to play in a genre rock and incorporate music, but I also wanted to make something that was a little scary, man, because, you know, Black folks, we like that, you know what I mean? We like and talking at the screen, you know what I'm saying? I think it's something that...
Get her, he ain't there. Exactly, bro.
He ain't there, don't go with that. Exactly.
You know, I think we have some incredible filmmakers that have capitalized on the medium, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's Jordan. Jordan P.M.
Yeah, but... Get out.
Yeah, yeah, but Spice's not his thing in that genre. Nia DeCasso's not everything in that genre.
Yeah. You know, so I was fired up about it, bro.
And, you know, truthfully, bro, it was a chance for me being a product of the Greg Migration, you know what I'm saying, from being born and raised on the West Coast to get back to the South and embrace that, you know what I'm saying, embrace that part of my ancestry, you know what I mean? Like, I had the most amazing time making this movie, bro. Mm-hmm.
That's just curious. How long does it take to make a movie in general? I don't mean this one specifically, but I'm just saying in general.
What's the timetable like? That's a great question. So this one we made relatively quickly, but they can go from anywhere from two to four years.
What? We'll be able to make it one year. Yeah.
It's essentially, bro, it's essentially like imagine a season, season and a half of football. You know what I mean? Because it takes you six months to shoot, six months to a year to shoot it, and then you have to edit it.
It takes you another six months to a year to edit it, correct? Yeah, man, and that's not including writing the script because I write the script too, too, right? Oh, okay. Sometimes you gotta shop the movie around, you know what I'm saying? Right, right.
You know, I can tell you how long my movies all took, so this is my fifth movie that I wrote and directed. Okay.
Fruitville, it took... Fruitville Station.
Classic. Classic.
That's crazy I said that, man, but it took me about a year to make that one. Okay.
You know, Creed, we shot that, we still saw Creed, Creed was about a year and a half, you know, like, like, and a half of that year was just trying to convince Stallone that it was worth doing, you know what I mean? Right, right. Rightfully so, you know what I mean? He was, he was, he wanted to make sure that we was, we were serious about it and make sure it would work, it would work for him and, and then we shot in out in like November that was a fast one Black Panther took about two years started working on it in 2016 put it on in 2018 Black Panther was like a was like a four year movie you know what I'm saying wow cause I wrote I wrote one script you know what I'm saying Chadwick passed away I didn't even know he was sick so I didn't have to rewrite that that.
You know, we got going. The pandemic slowed it down quite a bit.
And then, you know, my lovely actress got injured. So we had to shut down for a little bit.
You know what I mean? Right. And then we put that one out.
So I wanted to make something fast after that, you know, four years on one movie. You feel me? Right.
But I was blessed, man, to be able to make something that I'm so proud of, man. Like, you know, really proud of this.
I can't wait to show it to y'all, man. I think y'all gonna dig it, man.
Listen, I know I'm a digger. When you watch the trailer, for me, when it comes to anything that you do, whether you're an athlete, you have to be a special athlete that puts butts in the seats.
When you're a comedian, you have to be a comedian that has stage presence to always keep the crowd engaged. When I watch the trailer it catches you when it catches you right away i don't know who did the end and i don't know who did the trailer but i'm telling you right away it catches you and it keeps you and it holds you and then it's like it's an appetizer but it ain't enough it ain't enough because i want to i want to what's next.
So now I can't wait to see it.

I'm very passionate and enthusiastic when it comes to movies.

I've been a fan of yours for a long time.

All your work, everything you've done.

That's why I can't shut up right now.

I'm going to tell you something crazy.

For real, bro, I'm going to tell you something crazy.

We met before, bro.

We met at the

Tribeca Film Festival.

It was the first film festival

I ever got into. Spike did a movie

called Kobe Doing Work.

And ESPN has the world

premiere of it, bro. And I saw you

in there and I went over there and shook your hand,

bro. You know what I'm saying? Just on the stream.

You know, just being a fan of

what you do on the football field. I was a

student of the game, bro. You know what I'm saying?

What y'all was doing, bro, over there in Cincinnati, man, when it was you and TJ and the boys, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Hey, like, just the precision of the rock running, bro, the confidence, you know what I'm saying? Both of y'all had that. Both of y'all had the mental game, too, bro.
I remember Shannon, bro, when you used to be mic'd up. I was fool, bro.
You know what I mean? I appreciate that. I could fool.
I appreciate that. I appreciate that.
Study your movies. A lot of your movies, you got Michael B.
Jordan. Now, Michael B.
Jordan in this role, he plays a dual role. He's stacking, because I'm like, I was like, hold on.
They look like this. This look like Michael B.
Jordan playing both of these both. Ebo for I said come on now hold on so I had to rewind and look even closer I said it is so what is it about Mike that you love casting him in your movies if I'm not mistaken he was in Fruitvale he was in Fruitvale too you've been in all of them yeah even in all of them look, like what you'll find is chemistry, man.

You know what I'm saying?

It's a head coach and a quarterback.

It's a quarterback and a receiver.

You know, like you develop a shorthand where you save time.

You know what I'm saying?

You establish a time for the rest of the crew.

And we're not the first ones to do it, man.

Usually when you see filmmakers work, they usually have like...

Spike and Denzel. Oh, yeah, man.
I mean, big time. Spike and Denzel, Tony Scott and Denzel.
Yep. You know, Scorsese had a thing with De Niro.
DiCaprio. He rekindled it with Leo.
Right. You know, it's helpful, man.
And Mike has a... You know, Mike has a very amazing work ethic.
You know what I'm saying? He's always willing to go, always trying to push himself. He doesn't want to rest on his laurels.
And I can rock with that, bro. So I'll put him in every movie if I can.
He'll always have a role if I'm working, you know what I mean? And let me ask you this, right? How did you come up with the name Sinners? Why the name Sinners? That's a great question, bro. We found that late, man.
For a long time, the movie was just called Grilled Cheese. It was a working time.
So if you pulled up in Louisiana this past summer and said, we're Grilled Cheese shooting at that, they would have brought you to our movie okay you know and and and the story behind

that name was i've been cooking these long these long drawing out crazy meals i wanted to make something quick and fast i knew it would take good you know what i'm saying so that's how we came up with that but for sinners you know it was a collaboration between us and the studio trying to figure out the right name for the movie and um and we realized that that that that line you know that word was said so many times throughout the script.

You know, it deals with blues music and its relationship with the church. You know, like a lot of times the best blues singers will come from gospel.
You know what I'm saying? You learn that, you know, a lot of times that daddy's was pastors. You know what I mean? And they singing music about drinking and bumping and grinding.
And it's in conflict with how they was raised you know what I'm saying right so that dynamic was one that we were really that we were really you know once we realized like it was like oh man was always a name it should always been called that you know but this movie but trust no one because this movie has a lot to do with paranoia.

Mm-hmm.

Absolutely, bro.

I mean, look,

it's, you know,

it's dealing with

it's dealing with

black culture.

You know what I'm saying?

And a lot of folks

don't know that,

like, that, that,

you know, I would argue

that blues music

is the most important

contribution

that America has made to global pop culture. You know what I'm saying? Everything originated off the blues.
Everything comes from that. And when you do the research, it really came from this one specific area of Mississippi.
You know what I mean? Like at that time when blues was created, it was a very hard place to be black. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
Yeah. were trying to affirm that humanity, affirm that dignity at a time when it was very difficult and people were trying to keep them separate, right? You know what I mean? And for me, that experience kind of breeds a level of paranoia.
You know what I mean? When you can't be out after dark in certain towns where you know it, where everybody knows everybody when somebody new shows up, you know what I'm saying? Or somebody who's been gone a long time. You know, it's a little bit of, you know, you might look at them a certain way.
You know, I mean, how did y'all come up? Did y'all come from places where everybody knew everybody? You can tell an outsider. I'm from a small town.
There were 3,500 people with two traffic lights. So, we pretty much knew everybody.
Now, obviously, there were people that would come back from New York or Chicago or Detroit that I wasn't familiar with, but I knew their family, and after a while, they end up staying, so we were cool with them also. You said something very interesting, because everybody talks about the Mississippi Delta, Yes, sir.
And this film deals with a lot of brotherhood, loyalty, fate. Yes, sir.
You did a great job of working it and putting all that together. And it came together from the trailer for what I saw.
I haven't been to the movie since the pandemic. I'm going to go check this one out.
Because I'm interested to see how you tie this thing all together. Now, I saw the two-minute trailer, but I want to see you tie this thing together for 90 minutes.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm proud of it, man.
And like, look, another reason I think you're going to dig it, man, is your relationship with your brother Sterling, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, whenever I hear y'all talk, I got to imagine in y'all neighborhood, y'all was known.
You know what I mean? So these twins, you know, it's... Stack and smoke.
Yeah, smoke and stack. It's an archetype, right? I've never been in a set of twins that everybody knew that was kind of notorious.
You know what I'm saying? And we plan on that. That relationship between the brothers, man, what makes them similar? What makes them different.
I think Mike just did a beautiful job with it, man. I think you're really going to enjoy it.
Anybody who got that type of relationship, you know what I'm saying? Got a big brother, got a little brother. You know, they're going to really feel this movie, I think, on a different level.
I like it. I got one more question, man.
After creating something like this, something that's so bold, so different, and,'re pushing boundaries with most of your work and your craft. And again, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to harp on it because I've never had a chance to actually tell you.
Now I do. I'm going to make sure I let you know I'm a huge fan of everything you've done.
And I'm really, really excited for this. But do you see yourself continue to push boundaries with more genre films or just, I don't want to be too nosy but what's next all right we got another creed coming if we if we do got another creed coming i want to shoot my shot real quick oh yeah i can be like the final boss yeah we got we got another creed coming for sure um oh let me let me let me know mike's gonna direct that so So yeah, absolutely, bro.

I think we'd love to make

something happen for you.

But the other piece

for me is like,

you know,

I want to work

a long time, bro.

I want to make

all types of stuff, man.

I do love

working in the genre space.

This is my first

movie with

all horror elements.

And Brock,

I tell you,

it's very addictive.

You know what I'm saying?

Like,

like the,

the idea,

the idea of doing something else that,

that,

that,

that isn't this much fun.

Um,

it kind of frightens me a little bit,

man.

Like,

you know,

so,

so,

so,

but we'll see,

man,

we'll,

we'll put this out to the world and see how people respond.

And then we'll go from there.

But I,

but I'm definitely,

um,

I'm definitely,

uh,

not closing the door on doing more genre work. Sure.
Man, it was, it, I'll tell you for real. Right, right.
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You know what, Ryan, when I look at it and I think about, like, you did Fruitvale. You did.
I like it. He's done Harlem Blues.
He's done Inside Man. He's done, I think he did Man on...

No, that was really Scott.

He did 25th Hour?

25th Hour, yes.

So he's kind of been...

Is that kind of the direction?

Like, look, I don't want y'all pigeonholing me in there

and saying, oh, he only does...

Is this a comedy?

This is right.

If it's something to do with Marvel or Black Panther,

this has got to be right.

You want to be, like, multifaceted.

You don't want to be tied down or pigeonhol, there's got to be Ryan. You want to be like multifaceted.

You don't want to be tied down or pigeonholed or tight cast for any particular type of movie.

Right.

That's absolutely correct, man.

Spike is a big, big hero of mine, man.

A mentor.

You know, same with John Singleton.

You know what I'm saying?

Yep.

Big hero, mentor.

And then stepping outside of our, you know, our community.

Right.

A lot of filmmakers like Steven Soderbergh, you know what I'm saying you never know you never know what they gonna do next but you gotta you know it's gonna be quality you know what I'm saying and I do definitely wanna continue to push myself but also push the medium forward man you know what I'm saying like it's a blessing to be able to to work in a space where you get to work on things that are fresh,

work on things that haven't been done before.

For instance, with this film,

this is the first time that the IMAX camera has been combined with an Ultra Panavision lens.

So it's the same camera work,

same camera package that was used

on Quentin Tarantino's film, The Hateful Eight.

Oh, that was great.

Yeah, yeah.

That was good.

Combine that with the traditional IMAX film camera. First time ever.
You know what I'm saying? So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, Hateful Eight. Oh, that was great.
Yeah, yeah. That was good.
Combine that.

That was good.

With the traditional IMAX film camera, first time ever.

You know what I'm saying?

So getting a chance to break new ground and do that with people of color on the screen.

You know what I mean?

And a story set in the Mississippi Delta, it's a great honor to be able to do something

like that.

You know what I mean?

And it helps me to be motivated.

It helps me to stay sharp.

You know, I'm getting to work with people who I've been working with for a long time. It's just amazing.
I don't want to be too presumptuous of this, but I saw something and it seems like, I forget the two brothers, but it's two brothers, Ocho, and one of them might be cast. I want to throw my hat in for T'Challa.
You know, I want to throw my hat in. I'll just throw my hat.
Hold on, man. Hold on.
What you doing? Hold on. Hey, man.
I want to throw my hat in the middle. Hey, man, get it in there.
Hey, man, we can talk about it, man. Hey.
How you going to take Mastillo? Can I get my role first at Creed? Okay. Oh, you okay? You want to be one of the fighters that Creed fight? Yeah.
Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, Ocho.
You got to think, I got an extensive background in combat sports, so it would be perfect to be able to transition. So I ain't really got to play no character.
I can just be myself. Hey, popping that thing as Ocho, I feel you.
Yeah. Yeah, Aldis Harge.
That's his name. Aldis Harge.
Oh, Aldis Harge. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, hey, they had him already in the uniform. I'm like, okay.
Yeah, he could definitely pass for T'Challa. Yeah.
He could. He could.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Aldis, big shots off to Aldis, man.
He's incredible. You know, he make watches too, bro.
Does he? But straight up knowing how to make watches, bro. Right.
Like a genius, bro. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, were you, as a kid, were you in the comics? Were you a superhero fan? Yeah, big time.
I had an older cousin. You know, I'm the oldest of three boys, so I didn't have no big brothers.
I always been looking for one. You know what I'm saying? I had an older cousin who was seven years older than me who was a big cuss.
Yeah, and I got into him just because I thought he was cool. You feel me? Right.
So that was when I started reading him. But I did always read him.
Like, I took a break from him a little bit when I got serious about sports. Right.
I used to watch the cartoons or whatever, but it was all school and ball. I would say from like eighth grade, like ninth grade maybe to my senior year of college.
And when I went back to film school, I got back into them. You know what I mean? Do you collect them? Man, that's a great question, bro.
Honestly, I do. I do, man.
But not actively, bro. What happens now is I'll go to Comic Con for work and I'll go.
They got basically a floor where you can go where you can go buy anything trade, buy, sell yeah I'll go in there hit the floor and copy one or something you know what I mean but it's been a while since I've been in the comic book store man I'm not gonna hold you give me your top five superheroes oof shit alright alright I'm gonna go fast I'm not gonna overthink it I'm gonna go overthink it. I'm gonna go T'Challa number one.

Okay.

And then I'm gonna go...

I'm gonna go Wolverine.

Okay.

Can I put villains in it?

You can.

I got Magneto number three.

You got who, Magneto?

Magneto.

I got Magneto number three. You got who, Magneto? Magneto.
Yeah, I got Magneto number three.

I got...

All right, I'm going to go deep cut.

I'm going to go deep cut.

Roar Sarch from Watchmen.

Okay.

I know Watchmen.

Roar Shark.

Roar Shark.

Okay.

From Watchmen.

And then I'm gonna go i'm gonna go rogue okay that's a good one yeah yeah wrong guys we're all like like the the the uh you know you know you know you know take her glove off touch touch you take your powers knock y', yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty solid. I'm surprised you really didn't go with a lot of the old, like, like Superman, Batman, Batman ain't no superhero.
Batman ain't got, he can't do it without that. Bro, bro, Batman, Batman, Batman was a dog for me, you know, bro, like, like, the fact that I'm saying this without saying Batman is crazy, because, because, because that was, that was, that was, man, that was, that was the one for us, because they had to, they had to animate a series yeah and we used to mainline I had a homie from Fresno who played DB incredible defensive back he a coach now man me and him during fall camp bro we went half on a DVD pack and during them dole days we would ride back to his girl house and watch the movies in between the dole days, bro.
She'll make a little fool for us, bro. We on the couch, bro.
Taking it back to eighth grade with it. You know.
That's live. That's live.
So Black Panther 3, how long we got to wait? Not long. Yeah, not long.
I mean, there's been a lot of rumors circulating that Denzel gonna be in it. I don't know.
That's what the word in the street. I have a head down.
The street's talking. The street's talking.
I've been dying to work with Denzel, man, and I'm hoping we can make that happen. But I got every intention on working with him in that movie.
And as long as he's interested, man, it's going to happen. Wow.
But, you know, he's a living legend, man. And a great mentor for so many of us.
You know, like, he just, he all about, he all about looking out for us now, man. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, what an example, bro, for how to live, man.
He got his family around him, you know, his children. Yeah, man.
He's been with Pauletta for 40 plus years. John David, John David used to train with me in Atlanta.
I had retired, but he was down at Morehouse and the trainer that trained me bring him to the track. Tell him how to do certain things.
I've known that family for 20, that was in I retired, so like 20 plus years. And Denzel is great.
His wife, Pauletta, John David, man, they're unbelievable. RC, I just seen Denzel.
I wasn't able to actually, they were, I was able to let him know I was there, but he wasn't taking no visitors. It didn't matter, it didn't matter who you were.
I was able to see him last week on New York. I went to see Othello.
Yeah. He don't play when he on Broadway, bro.
No, no, no. When he on Broadway, he in a different zone, bro.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How was it played? Oh, man, beautiful.
Beautiful. Listen, I took drama in high school.
So that's why I still have a love for drama and the arts and theater and dance. So I really, I really need to play.
Excuse me. Huh? Come on, Unk, man.
Stop playing, right? And listen, I don't know if you already know because you can, Hey, Unk, you can hear me talk when I talk about certain things you already know it's something I really like man why you call bullshit when he said dance I was when he got up in there hold on this is how you know I love dance too mind you RC I did ballet I did ballet when I was playing. Yeah.
I just left New Orleans last week. I went to see Alvin Ely, man, for the umpteen time since 1988 when my grandma took me to go see him in 88 at the Gussman Theater.
I love it, bro. I love it and the chipmunks.
Why do you want to just talk, man? Hey, come on. Hey.
I want to go see him. I'm going to see him.
I haven't been to a whole lot of Broadway. I saw Samuel Jackson when he played Dr.
King. Okay.
I might not get there. Yeah.
Broadway is different. Yeah.
It is so different than going to an actual movie. I different than going to an actual movie.
Yeah. I don't know if it, you know what I'm saying, I mean, you just went to a, but to sit there and to see, I'm like, damn, this is amazing.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's no joke, bro. It's a true actor's medium.
You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, like, whereas in film, you know, like, like, it's arguably a filmmaker's medium.
They'll say television is a writer's medium. That stage is an actor's medium, bro.
They got nothing to save them. They just up there.
You know what I'm saying? You can't rule me in. You know what I'm saying? I love it, bro.
That's what Denzel says. Denzel says he's a theatrical actor that went to the screen.
He cut his teeth on Broadway. Yeah.
He takes that. He says some people are staged and they come to Broadway.
I was Broadway that went to the screen. It's interesting, too, bro, because a lot of people don't understand, lot of people don't understand too is like um it's like it's like the culture of broadway you know like like um very similar to you know very similar to basketball right like if you if you if you you know like basketball is very culturally ingrained in the united states so much so that if you go professional if you go watch a professional basketball game anywhere in the world most of the players is going be from the States.
You know what I'm saying? If you go overseas to Italy and watch a game there or overseas in Germany, you know what I'm saying? Like, you'll see a lot of players here. And with that stage work, you know, it's so culturally ingrained in the UK.
You know what I mean? Like, it's a part of that culture. They're about the stage.

Right, right.

The way we are about basketball here.

You know what I'm saying?

It's in every school.

It's in every, you know, so you see,

so you'll see these British actors getting shipped out all over the place, man.

They ain't on every roll.

You know what I mean?

They ain't on every, you know,

white British actors,

black British actors.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And for me coming up, bro, the first time I hit a Broadway play and really seen somebody get down you know what I mean it was like I dare not wish I had been exposed to it earlier bro you know what I'm saying I might have been doing that you know know what I mean? Right. Hey, even if I just get a cameo, I could be Umboku's brother.
We got you, bro. Hey, if y'all with me, man, hey.
Hey. Hey, you boy, I could be Umboku's brother or something.
Put your boy in there. I'm coming out now.
I. I'm coming with you.
Hey, I'm with you, man.

I'm with you, man.

Y'all got such great chemistry, man, when I watch y'all, bro.

It's evident, man.

It's evident.

I appreciate that.

Sinners arrive in theaters April 18th, directed by, written by Ryan Coogler.

He written such fruit bell station, Black Panther Ryan Coogler. He written such

Fruit Bell Station, Black

Panther, Wakanda Forever,

Creed, and now he's

with this one, Sinners, arrives

in theaters April 18th. Ryan,

thank you for giving us a little bit of your time.

Thank you for the trailer. We're gonna support

you. Hey, chat, make sure we

go out here and support our brother Ryan Coogler.

Hey, he's doing big things for the community, doing big things for the culture. Yes, sir.
We got to make sure we keep him up. We're going to lift him up, and we're going to keep him up there.
Ryan, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it.
Hey, I'll see you down the road. Man, I appreciate y'all.
Man, thank y'all. Ryan, thank you, boss, man.
Appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir.
Oh, Joe, we gonna get in the movie.

Hey, hey, hey, we gonna be famous.

I'm gonna be famous.

Hey, oh, man, we gonna be famous.

I'm a Goku brother.

Y'all off the chain, man.

Y'all take three.

All right, boss. Appreciate it.
appreciate it oh man that was alright hey you ain't know I took ballet you know I took drama in high school yeah you full of drama now hold on hold on this is why this is why I'm so into it is I needed to be eligible to play football.

So you know how you just be taking classes?

You really ain't got no business taking?

Yes.

So I took drama just to be eligible to play because I needed the credits.

I know.

Listen, I end up liking the damn class.

Mm-hmm.

And now, even to this day, still to this day,

anytime Broadway plays, come to the Asian Art Center down here in Miami, I'm there. Listen, I haven't missed nothing from Chicago to Moulin Rouge, the Wicked, the Cats.
I just seen it all. The Lion King.
Oh, man, I love that, man. But I need to go see Denzel.
Hey, you'll love it. I'm not sure when you're in New York again.
Shit, I might just go.

I just might go on my own.

Yeah, you got to go.

You're going to love it.

You're going to love it.

But it was great, man.

Ryan is unbelievable.

You know, we communicate a little bit.

He's been wanting to come on.

He said, man, I didn't want to come on.

He said, get me on something.

You know, I come on Club Chet Chet.

I'll come on Nightcap.

I just want to chill.

He said, man, I love what you do. I love you and Ocho, man.
Y'all, hey, I love how you and him play off each other. And so I was like, hey, I was glad we were able to get this and to make this work.
I actually met the guy that plays Mboku in Black Panther. I actually met him at where I go get my nails, Salon Republic in L.A.
I actually met him where I go get my nails, Salon Republic in LA. I actually met him getting his car.
Took a picture with him and everything. He's a cool dude.
Ocho, 464 pounds D-tackle, Desmond Watson could be the largest draft pick in NFL history. His weight comes with a massive 6'6'' frame.
Watson had his pro day workout. He benched 225 36 times.
That's more than any player mustered at this year's combine. And he ran the 40 in under 6 seconds, a 5'93", and he had a 25-inch vertical.
Aaron Gibson. No, Aaron Gibson only weighed 405 from Wisconsin.
Hold on. Went to Detroit.
Can you do me a favor real quick? Yes. For me, because I can't see.
I can't visually see him. So I'm listening to the numbers you're giving me.
Is he bigger than Sam Adams? Yeah. Is he bigger than what Sam Adams was or bigger than Gilbert Brown? Yeah.
Hell yeah. He outweighed him down to about 100.
What? He 464, Ocho. Well, what you think Gilbert Brown was? Like 365, 370 at the top.
Can he move? He ran 5-9-3.

I mean, move in the position

that he actually plays.

Hey, think about it. He'll de-tackle.

He ain't going from A-gap to B-gap.

Oh, he clogging up space. That's it.

Okay.

Hey, somebody in the NFC East

need to drive, I mean, the NFC East

stop the push.

Put his ass over the center. Say, look here, you got the guard.
You got the guard stop the push. Put his ass over the center.

You got the guard

in the center.

Listen, Cincinnati,

we need help on defense and obviously, we can

start right there on that defensive

line. Bring him on down there.

Clog that thing up. If I'm not mistaken,

I think at one point in time, he was almost 500 pounds.

Didn't he lose like 40,

50 pounds there?

Desmond Watson.

I think I heard him talking about that. He was like almost

500, like really close to 500 at one point

in time.

Oh, they go. Hey, listen, depending

on where you go, they're going to get that weight up off

of him. They're going to get some of that up off of him.
Hey, at some point, hey, Ocho, I mean, you might get him down. You ain't getting him under 400.
Yeah, I mean, listen, get him a little lower. Unless you put him on that Zipic.
Yeah, get him a little. You put him on that Zipic.
That's the only way you're going to get a bunny. Hey, on Zipic, semaglutide, trisepotide.
That's all A. That's A.
And at 464, A. Now, I see that A.
He can't play in the league if he try tried this diet I've seen somebody over 400 pounds and they got tried this diet and they was under 200 crack and a homeboy he's about 410 that pipe had it drawn up he was under 200 by 175 hey man you shut out man I'll be honest with you Ocho but I hope I hope a boy get an opportunity to play I think somebody I think somebody gonna give him an opportunity yeah yeah listen we cut the name on everything hey Hey, man, he on that Zip It.

Hey, I just, listen, I love the numbers.

I hear the numbers.

It sounds, you know, staggering.

It sounds intimidating.

But I need to see what you look like when you turn the film on.

Are you destructive?

Yeah.

You know?

Oh, Joe, LSU offensive tackle Will Campbell has something to say about people scrutinized. He called it T-Rex.
For two years, nobody had any measurements on me, and nobody said anything about my play. So now, all of a sudden, Armlins decided if I'm a good player or not.
I think it's BS. The mock drafts have them going somewhere between a number 10 to the Bears or number 11 to the 49ers.
Listen, don't listen to that stuff and I hope he doesn't, young boy. Don't worry.
Don't worry about that stuff. Man, listen, they will nitpick at everything and find issues with small hands, small shoulders.
I mean, small feet. I mean, it really had nothing to do with the game of football.
When you turn the film on, what are you doing with those T-Rex arms?

Yeah. Of yours.

That's all that matters.

That's all that matters.

Come on.

When you turn the film on,

what are you doing?

That's...

Hey, he's good.

He's going early.

He's going to be off the board. He's going to be a great be a great player for somebody man he's gonna be a great player for somebody don't you check this out granny said help your little basketball game don't you watch this video what is that the game going What was that walking across the court?

That's Granny.

Granny had to get to the other side.

Granny said, I ain't walking around no court.

That's too far.

I'm walking right through.

That's Granny.

Hey.

Listen.

This is visual representation

Of I don't give a you know what

Yeah

I don't give a damn

I'm walking right through

She ain't got

She ain't got

She don't know no better

Granny speed up or nothing

Hey that's funny

Hey that was funny

I ain't know what that was

Wrong across that screen

That's granny.

Ocho.

Yo.

We got to talk about this.

Bishop Marvin Sapp is receiving backlash.

He locked the doors of the church until they received 40K in donations.

Let's take a listen to this, Ocho.

Okay, come on. and they understand the cost

that is involved there's 1 000 of you i said close them doors

ushers close the doors close the doors close the doors

it's a thousand that's watching online this is a small Seed if I get a thousand online to give this if I get a thousand in the sanctuary to give this that's $40,000 tonight Now everyone up here we've all sold and seated But I need everyone standing up here with us with me to plan a seat of $100 Because again it costs to sit up here and this is what I need you to do if you're giving electronically or even giving tangibly I'm gonna have y'all come to the altar and give it because I need to see a thousand people bring them baskets bring I want the baskets up here I want to see the folk y'all start moving y'all can bring it right, come, come, come. A thousand people need to give $20.
A thousand people need to give $20. A thousand people online need to give $20.
This is easy, saints. Hey, well, that's always been the church.
That's always been the church. But see, they used to choose faith.
That's always been the church. I grew up in a church.
You know, that offering plate that come around about two or three times, man. They said, but the Lord said, give what you can.
He didn't put no number on it. He said when you tithe...
10% of your earnings, man. 10% of your earnings.
He will say, Malachi, I think it's through Malachi 3, 8 through 11. He said, will the man rob God? He answers the question because he already know what you're going to do.
He said, yeah, where would I rob you? He said, in tithes and in offering. He said, bring your tithes to the storehouse and I'll open up the windows of heaven and pour you out of blessings that you will not be able to receive.
That's what he said. Now, he ain't tell these jack-lays that be coming up here talking up here talking about see what they preaching is prosperity yes sir yes sir see that's why I'm going to the ministry come on how you cooking that yes sir I'll blast the plate around I'll blast the collection plate now look here I'll choke hey don't put no change in the collection plate.
God don't like noise. Yeah, dog.
God don't like no noise. Hey, boy.
Listen. I need to go into the back.
Uh-huh. Listen.
Hey, you know Mama sat. Now the church, the church, the church, the church, that's part of the building fund.
The church need new windows. You ain't going to tell me how much to give.
The Pope Paul, oh, he need a Rolex. Oh, he need a, he need a jet.
Oh, he need a Rolls-Royce. He need a Bentley.
Yeah. Yeah.
He ain't going to have a better, he ain't going to have a better car than me. Not that I'm donating to.
Yeah. Hey, well, one thing you got to understand that I've never been in the pulpit.
I've never been a preacher, but I do understand the work that come behind it. I do understand the studying and the hours and all the stuff that they have to go through when it comes to running the church and being a preacher.
Now, I'm not going to sit up here and preach because that's not me. I am not going to play with the Lord like that.

They're playing with the Lord.

Listen to me now. In the Bible, it says

God loves a

cheerful giver.

It doesn't tell you how much you got to give,

though. That's my point.

That's it. Now, that's the only thing I don't agree with.

Now, you ain't going to lock them goddamn doors and I got

to get home and watch the basketball game because

it's March Madness. Talk about something I got to give you $1,000.
Now, the devil is a lie. Now, you're going to open them doors and I'm going to give you what I can.
Now, that's what's going to happen. Or we're going to have to tussle up here in this church.
Yeah, then God will have to come down there and pull me up off you. He's going to have to come come down above his throne because he's the alpha and the omega the man that sits high and looks low so he know I'm gonna be tearing your tail up in that church if you lock the doors and I can't get up out of there but I'm saying man come on now hey they doing too much Ocho they They a trip.
They a trip. They a trip.
And it's a new church. Ocho, I didn't even know pastors was a job.
Because when I grew up, the pastor, he was the principal. He was a janitor.
He cut hair. He wasn't no preacher full-time.
That wasn't the only job he had. Right.
I swear, Ocho, I did not know that that was a full-time job. Yeah, it is.
Maybe it's just me. Maybe that was just a Southern thing.
Mm-hmm. But, yeah.
Hey, man. My pastor was a teacher at the school, or he was the principal, or he was the custodian.
He was the barber. Yeah.
He did other things. He wasn't just, he just didn't preach.
Maybe that's just, I don't know. Maybe that's just me.
Hey, but one thing you got to think, I'm not sure if Marvin Sapp has a mega church, but I understand what goes into it and what entails when it comes to the overhead for a church of that magnitude with a congregation of that magnitude. Well, it's a church that big.
Yeah. Listen, I don't know.
I ain't never been there.

I ain't never been there.

But listen, one thing I do,

I love some preaching, boy.

I love some preaching.

You know, grandma had me in the church,

you know, Sunday, Wednesday, Bible study.

I led the choir.

You know, I was in the junior choir.

I was a junior deacon.

I did love with everything.

I'm going to need to see where they said that in the Bible. Oh, it's doors.
Now, if that's not in the Bible. No, it's not in there.
That's not in there. You know, they rewrite their own story now.
Yeah. You know, we good for that.
We good for that. I just told you to show you.
It used to be Uh-huh. But ministers have found a way to charge for salvation.
Salvation was free. But that's a good one everywhere.
Man, they need to stop. Look.
That's a good one there. And it's not the fact that it's $20.
It's the fact that he's put a number on it. Right.
You don't tell somebody what they should give. That's between them

and their God.

Yes, sir.

Not between the preacher

trying to get money

out your pocket.

Yeah, especially

during these times.

I give.

I ain't got no problem giving.

But you don't,

he ain't gonna tell me

how much to give.

That ain't got nothing

to do with him.

Mm-hmm.

That's between me.

Hey, I'm gonna have to answer.

No matter what you think of

Shannon Sharp, Shannon's going to have to answer

for Shannon.

You can say one soul,

your own.

You're trying to tell me

what I need to do. I'm going to have to give an

account for this. I'm going to have to go before

that man. And everything, he's going to say

you remember this? You remember that?

Man, they need

to say i i don't i don't be lucky that don't you i don't i don't yeah i listen i'm listen i'm with you when you're right i'm with you right now i'm not getting too upset about it because i i've come from the baptist church you know i've been there i know what it's like from a little from a little one until I was a senior.

Look, I remember sitting

on them benches. We had wooden benches.
You slide too much, you might get a splinter in your butt. We didn't have no cushion.
We didn't have no cushiony feet. It leaked.
I mean, they revamped it. But it was a church, and you felt the Lord come in there.

Now they've got all these fancy things.

Lord, I ain't coming by here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Y'all playing in my name.

Now, hey, y'all gonna have answers for this.

Hey, those were some good days.

Now you got, I mean, just, you mentioned in that video, just bring back memories at church with grandma in Overtown. You know about Overtown, right? Yeah.
Mount Oliver Baptist Church. I'll never forget.
Reverend Clark. And then as I got, as I got a little older.
My first passable day was Reverend Clark. For real? Yeah.
Now as I, as I got a little older, you know Miami Northwestern where Teddy Bridgewater just won a national championship? Yeah. I started walking from my grandma house on 44th 11.
I started walking to New Birth because New Birth, they was at Miami Northwestern having church there. And I started going to see the Honorable Victor T.
Curry and became a part of that church. And now they over there at Open Lock Off 135th.
Everybody that's a part of New Birth, I know you might see this. Vick C.
Curry, I hope everything is good. I know I ain't been to church in a while.
I ain't got no suits. But I love you and I'm doing right.
Ocho, but they've been preaching prosperity for the longest time. You remember the televangelists? See, Reverend Ike and they had Jimmy Swagger and they had a...umbard.
Oh, Jimmy. What you know about Jimmy?

Yeah, hey.

And Jimmy Swagger got up there and talked about Father I've

seen.

But I'm saying, y'all remember

Rex Humbard?

It was Jimmy Swagger, Rex Humbard.

Reverend Ike was the first one because

Reverend Ike was having you put $5 and send

it in for the prayer cloth. I don't know if y'all

remember that, but I've be for your time, chat.

But I'm old enough to remember.

That's one thing about being old.

And once you get to a certain age, you realize that's your only purpose left to do is to get old.

Man, they better stop playing with me.

Hey.

Man.

Hey.

Hey, that was classic. Goddamn.
Jimmy Swagger. Boy, god damn Jimmy Swagger boy I remember Jimmy yeah man I said man look here I give Lord knows you bless me and I don't have no problem and not only do I give to the church if people in's me.
Hey, I didn't help people in the wildfires that happened in California. Hey, Shannon, hey, you know, me and my mom, my mom ain't got nowhere to go, Shannon.
Right. I get you a place for a couple of months.
It is. Hey, I've never.
That's the way my grandmother would give people her last. I'm like, why you give them that? They ain't got nothing to eat.
Hell, we don't eat them. You know, we're going to be okay.
We got some rutabagas. You know, we can make some crack, let them make rutabagas.
Right. Give them what we're going to eat.
And then we can go to the supermarket and we get some hot dogs. Mm-hmm.
But that ain't how Mary Porter was. She say, son, you know, hey, one day God will bless you.
Yeah. Hey, listen.
She really, truly believed in that. Right.
Hold on. I believe in that and always have.
You know? Remember when I used to do the tipping all the time? And I would put proverbs. The generous person would always, I stopped doing it because I kind of got in trouble.
Because people seeing me do that and give the others. So they're complaining, well, why are you not sending more to me if you got extra to give to strangers? So I just stopped doing it all together.
So anyway. That's the same thing, Ocho.
When we gave to Southern, why did you say, bro, bro, come on, man. Oh, yeah.
Man, what about A&T? What about this? What about what about throne yeah yeah so is i i first and foremost savannah state gets my undivided attention they first on the list right no matter what that's yeah absolutely and i love hbcus i'm matriculated yes i got a degree from savannah state but first and foremost i'm here sitting in this seat because a lot of people at Savannah State, Haynes Walton Norman Elmore Claire Baines, Joyce McLemore, Joanne Green Steve Smith Gay Hewitt they believed in me yeah they believed in me. So, man, please.
But I've always been like that, Ocho. I've always, you know, when I got money, I used to go back and tithe and make sure my grandma, ooh, give me something to put in the church.
I give my grandma, you know, ooh, you want me to put all this in church? You say, give me something to put in church. I give my grandma you want me to put all this in church you say give me something to put in church you ain't got to put it all there keep something for yourself but you say give me something to put in church you want to put it all in there you know your baby gonna take care of you granny you go get some more't like I just don't like preaching prosperity I don't yeah uh I'm coming for the word and so so now if I don't give you a thousand dollars I don't give you a picture that God ain't gonna bless me nah God said to give me what you can't now it's time for our final segment of the evening it's time for Q and A.
I enjoyed the night, but tonight was

a good one.

That was a good one.

Ragnarok 4

said, oh, you gotta

blame JJ for that. JJ

wasn't on the court.

JJ didn't tell

LeBron to gamble.

JJ didn't tell LeBron to turn the ball over.

They had a five-point lead with 12 seconds. They had a two-point lead.
They ended up being down by one with six seconds. They had a lead with three seconds, and the team didn't have a timeout.
That ain't on J.J., bro. Yeah.
LeBron James, James Bryce James Bulls in five great air was LeBron should focus on winning games instead of picking fights with reporters he's hurting the team right now he's hurting his team right now well obviously it wasn't a good look I look like I said we don't need to get into it there was more discussion Stephen A had more to say I don't care to add anything I don't have anything to add to it but I think hopefully both of them decide to leave this alone and move forward LeBron needs to focus on these last nine games and trying to get the best seed he possibly can for the Lakers don't worry about what Stephen A said Stephen A. That's Stephen A's job.
But hey, now let's focus on what we need to focus on. Derek Jobs said, hey, are you going to first take tomorrow to defend the ghost? I mean, go.
No, hell no. I'm Monday Tuesday.
If your job, you show up on your day off to what? I don't know where to do that yet. I don't.

Monday, Tuesday.

Now,

it's normally an itinerary like, you know,

during the fall, Ocho,

we went to

HBC, you had the HBC tour.

But that was already implemented.

I ain't coming on my day off, this is my day off.

And plus, I already got something on the schedule.

They know. I already got something on the schedule.
They know.

I already got something booked.

Right.

Ocho, you gonna be mad.

Who?

You.

What?

What happened?

Because I'm going to spar with somebody tomorrow.

Like, spar?

Like, spar?

Spar!

You know spar!

Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop!

Who you gonna spar with?

Don't worry about it.

Hey, who you got for Club Shay Shay?

It's a fighter?

The champ is here.

You heard me?

Huh?

You interviewing a fighter?

Yeah. Which one? The champ is here.
You heard me? Huh? You interviewing a fighter? Yeah. Which one? The champ is here.
Which one? He the champ at 147, undisputed. Oh, tell him fight me then.
I can get down to 147 right now. You heard me? What'd you think?

Undisputed champion

147.

That's all right. We good.

I turned that thing. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, not Mike Tyson Get your hands up man Get your hands up Hey I put that George Foreman You see that George Foreman That club Hey that was funny Yeah The champ is here The champ is here I'm gonna turn that fag over on you Yeah Okay You Okay.
You got to keep that elbow up now.

You got to keep that elbow up on them hook.

Hey, but I also got to keep the fag, hey,

because you keep that fag too high,

they bang the ribs.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That's why you got to tuck in.

You got to tuck in real comfortable.

But, hey, hey, you got to get, hey,

don't give him that square shot.

You got to turn that angle,

put that angle on.

I can't give you that full shot now.

All of the same.

Hey, I'm going to teach you everything. Everything you're talking about, you're going to see me do again, James.
You see, I hear that thing off, Joe. You want to bring it back? Yeah, you got to give me a little extension on them things, too, now.
Don't shortchange me. Hey, see what I popped when I popped that jab, that jab like loud.

Bam! Yeah.

You feel that thing out there? Yeah, yeah.

There you go. Okay.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, I like it. There you go.

The champ is here.

Hey, I got

some Reyes gloves too. You know them Reyes?

Woo! You can feel your knuckle

through them things.

Hey! Reyes gloves, too. You know, the Reyes, whoo, you can feel your knuckle through them things.
But you know, I got them all. Like, when I was doing that mess, I was, you know, doing a little bit of it.
Then my hips got too bad. That hurt too bad.
I had some winning. I had winning practice gloves.
Yeah, that's all I got. Got a bunch of winning stuff.
Matter of fact, whoever you're interviewing tomorrow, tell them I said let's fall at 147. I'm going to call you.
I mean, whoever did, I probably got a number on my phone. I mean, you say, under Sputnik at 147, I probably already beat him up.
Honestly. Rhea Carter says,

Stephen A, Chick-fil-A,

don't care how much.

Luke away.

Lakers are fine.

TonySG said,

what's the Steelers ceiling if they sign Rodgers?

Ocho, what's the ceiling?

I mean, listen,

I don't know what their ceiling is.

I have no idea.

I know what Rodgers can do.

I know what he did in the past. I know what we saw from him at at the Jets I'm not sure what Rodgers are we going to get I'll be going to get the Aaron Rodgers that's bought in I'm going to get the Aaron Rodgers that shows up the minicamp or we're going to get the Aaron Rodgers that goes on a dark retreat it all depends on what Aaron Rodgers you get true are you bought you bought in? Are you actually bought in?

You ain't got the leverage you used to have before now.

Hey, it's a different ballgame.

They only go as far as he goes.

Shit.

Go ahead.

What are you going to say?

I was going to say they only go as far.

Every team is only going as far as the quarterback goes.

You're only going as far as your quarterback is invested in how serious he's going to take his craft and job uh what is the likelihood of owners or what is the percentage of owners jim's executive, that actually listen and get advice from sports analyst shows

and people that talk sports?

What'd you think?

None.

I tell you what, if you listen

to them, hey, listen

Thank you. None.
I tell you what, if you listen to them, hey, listen to the fans.

Pretty soon you'll be right up there with them.

Yeah.

Listen to the GMs and people in that football operation.

Then listen to people that talk.

Pretty soon you should be right there next to them.

Former general manager of this team.

Former player personnel of this team. Former player personnel

of this team. Right.

J213 said, hey,

please rank these music videos.

MJ, Thriller, you rock my

world. Remember the time.

And I rock with you.

For me, Thriller,

remember the time.

Do you read? Thriller, uh, Remember the Time. Do you re,

Thriller's definitely first.

Yeah,

Thriller's number one.

Thriller might be the best video

of all time.

Do you remember the time?

That's number two for me.

I rocked.

You rocked my world.

Which is the one with,

uh,

with Eddie Murphy and All the Minute?

That's,

Remember the Time. Okay, yeah, that's definitely number two.
I go, you know what? I rock my world is three and I rock with you four. Oh, no.
Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy said, bam, nightcap closing on two million subs on Club Sheche, almost 4 million that's just not content, that's culture not just views, that's a vision congrats Sheche Media, worth an accomplishment thank you Dr. Frankie hey man, hey Jess Jess hit it out the park for us man, she was unbelievable yeah, she was unbelievable and I'm just trying to figure out people talking about ain't nobody watch Amber Rose.
They realize Amber Rose on YouTube did about 4 million views. Andrew Shultz did about 4 million views for nobody to watch him.
Yeah. How many people that sit down and have conversation with people on YouTube do 4 million views? You can't listen to people, man.
I don't listen. You can't listen to people.
I don't like this person. Oh, you got to come on.
You got to come into the comments to say you ain't going to watch this video. But you in the comments.
You know what, don't you? And one more thing. I want two words to be retired in 25.
What's that? Diabolical and messy.

Messy?

Messy. Because every time

Shannon's going to the store, man, you

know Shannon's so messy.

Man, Ocho was talking

about Shannon's so messy

and that's diabolical.

Okay, enough.

Yeah, listen, the only

messy I

recognize is Maya.

Diabolical? I ain't never really heard that man that's all man Ocho talking about diabolical bro I'm like hold on there have been so many people that have the guests that I've had on and ask them the very same questions that I ask. Everything is fine.
Nothing. The minute you ask is a problem? I'm messy.
And pause. When we pause, we used to you remember we used to be able to talk to you cause you know we talking we talking right I was like man I just don't get it but doc I thank you very much it's the look and all the people that's pausing and diabolical and messy y'all ain't really supporting Ocho and I anyway y'all just coming and hoping somebody tag along y'all want somebody cause there are a lot of followers on social media Ocho there are a lot of followers I think Jess was unbelievable.
Amber was great. Young Miami was great.
Andrew Shultz. I like having different people.
If all I had was football players, if all I had was comedians, if all I had was any one group of things, how do you grow? How do you expand the platform? I'm confused. Y'all do realize we're trying to expand.
Right. When you go back and look at talk shows that used to be, and they're not, we made it now, but when you go back and look at Phil Donahue, and you look at Oprah, you look at Ricky Lake, and you look at Jenny Jones, and you look at all those, they had different people all the time.
Yeah. You have to have that.
That's how you grow. That's how you expand.
Yeah. But I think...
Different background. Different ethnicities.
Yes! You got to have that. Hey, and young man, man, bro, I ain't never asking nobody.
I ain't got nobody. We just, we have a great time.
I go with how they go. Hey, young Miami was flowing.
We going to flow. Amber Rose flowing.
We going to flow. Cash dog.
We going to flow. We going to flow.
Certain people, they want to keep it strictly. We going to keep it that.
Right. But I think the whole thing is to make people feel comfortable when they come on

that they're having a conversation

that they open up.

That's it.

That's all I'm trying to do.

I ain't trying to,

hey, hey, man,

I'm shooting this shot.

No, I can't shoot no shot.

Come on now.

I mean, come on.

How that's going to look?

I'm bringing somebody on there

to try to shoot a shot.

Right.

Hell, I'm just letting the DM

and not even I brought them on.

That's what, but people think like, that's what y'all would do. See, y'all would be, and pretty soon you wouldn't have a talk.
You wouldn't have a conversation. You wouldn't have a pod.
The one thing I won't do, is Barney Porter told me this when I was very young age. He said, boy, don't ever put your dick in your wallet.
And when I told people that people like, what'd that mean? I said, you'll figure it out. Don't worry about it.
I'm going to write that down right now. Uh, D Chassis, Uncle No Choke, it's my wife's birthday today.
Can you guys please give KC a shout out? Even though we're beefing still love her, thanks guys Hey KC, happy birthday KC

Put that aside, D-chat

just for the night

hey, like Luther Vandross just say

if only for one night, it's your birthday

hey, y'all can go back to beef, be like Tom and Jerry

hey, y'all can beef tomorrow

but tonight, put all that aside

and do right by your man that's all you got to do just give it it's good I mean come on now it can't be that bad retired deputy chef said what's the one thing you wish you knew about love in your 20s that you understand now?

What's more important?

A partner?

Loyalty, peace, and passion.

Peace.

Loyalty.

Peace.

Because if she gives me loyalty, I'll be at peace.

Man, peace.

I ain't trying to hear that.

Oh, you want peace?

Man, peace.

And somebody beat your walls down while you at peace. Okay.
Man, she not even with me. That's why I got there in peace.
So I don't care who beating them down. Shit, you ain't mad.
That's her. That's your responsibility.
I ain't talking about your situation. Oh, no, I ain't talking about mine.
I'm just saying what I'm saying in general. You said peace.
That's the peace. Since when do you have peace if you have someone in your space? You don have peace yeah that's what you're supposed to have Ocho we never get it well that don't mean you stop looking that don't mean you stop searching oh I'm good now I got peace now Sir K said my guys two questions, I know it's early, but what are your early predictions

of who will win FIFA World Cup 2026?

Can the U.S. win it?

Sterling versus Ocho, who is the X?

Who's the Z?

My brother played the Z.

Ocho was an X.

My brother played the Z.

Jerry, my brother, played the Z. They played the Z Jerry my brother played the Z they played the Z position who you got on your World Cup 2026 that would be a good one boy I mean I mean I would love USA I would love USA to get, get, get a little further than normal.

I'm excited to see what,

what,

what they're able to do.

Um,

but it's,

it's going to be very,

very difficult,

very difficult for us.

Looking at some of the,

the qualifying games they played so far,

uh,

not dominating against inferior opponents.

And I mean,

no disrespect,

but how are we going to compete with Argentinas and the Brazils and, uh, and, and the Francis. And I just, no disrespect, but how are we going to compete with the Argentinas and the Brazils and the

Frances? And I just, I don't know.

So as far as a favorite now,

Argentina is probably a favorite to win yet again,

along with some other squads. So I don't know, France, maybe.

To go back to the question, he says, what do I wish I knew?

I knew what I needed to know.

Mm-hmm.

But I was so driven.

Mm-hmm.

I didn't think I could do two things. I didn't think I could, Ocho.
Because the one woman that I knew loved me unconditionally was Mary Porter. no matter what I did no matter what I did she say baby

you were wrong, but I love you. She didn't love me on the conditions that I didn't cheat.
She didn't love me on the conditions that I didn't hurt her. She didn't love me on the conditions that I was in a bad mood and I didn't want to talk.
She loved me unconditionally. Come on, man.
And so for me, I was searching for that and realizing that I was never going to achieve that. And there were conditions on which my partner was going to love me.
Always. So it made it very, very easy for me to stay focused on what I needed to focus on.
Mm-hmm. I'm not here to apologize for that, Ocho.
Yeah, remember what I always told you? That all comes down to also being able to manage your expectations with understanding that everything comes with conditions. Well, it's easy for everybody to be loyal when it's convenient and beneficial.
Well, hell, of course. It's convenient and it's beneficial.

Virtue says it's a low bar. Yeah.

Everybody gonna love somebody that's making millions.

It's easy to love somebody that's making

millions. Because you know what a man,

you know what a man told?

Not a man, it was a man and his wife.

And she said, Shannon, it's just

as easy to love a rich man as

it is a broke one.

Come on now.

Come on. Don't let that go a broke one.
Come on now. Come on.
Don't let that go over

y'all head. Come on now.

So all this y'all

talking, oh cheating, this and that,

is just as easy for you to love

me or pretend that you love me

for the situation that I can lift

you up out of.

Listen, I'm acting like I'm in a church. I'm going to go ahead and exit stage left.
Well, y'all... Hey, where you offering to play that? Hey, I see your 5200 right now because you're preaching.200, right? I am going to find me someone.

Come on, man.

Oh, you done got old now.

You done got old.

Yeah, I got old and I got my money.

I'd have been young and didn't got with the wrong one.

I'd have been old with no money.

And I ain't got nobody to take care of me.

Now at least I can pay somebody to come take care of me

or do things for me that I can't do for myself.

It is. It Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it is. Well, you were cutting up at the end of the show tonight, boy.
That wasn't nothing but a word. That wasn't nothing but a word.
Uh-huh. Oh, man man my former teammate Rodney Spivey Rodney Arnold Rodney Irving Arnold how you changing name 1967 he from Myrtle Beach man we got to Savannah State together Ocho the guy that's, and as a matter of fact, he was so, he came to Minnesota.
My first, this was in 1991. He came and saw me play in Minnesota.
Yeah. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think his wife might have been from Minnesota.
But he had a, I remember he came, he had a red IROC Z. Uh-huh.
I remember that. I remember the IROC.
5%. Hold on.
T-top? Yes! Red. I'm talking about candy.
A candy red. Yeah.
Yeah, I had a T-top. I had the IROC on the side, but I want to send my thoughts and prayers out to his family.

Rest in peace,

Spivey, and to all the family, friends,

and loved ones that's been impacted by this sad passing of my former teammate

and friend, Rodney.

Rodney.

Rest in peace, bro.

SLC mission, man.

T-Five. T-Five always.

Mm-mm-mm-mm. Mm.
man T5 T5 always Alabama cook them boys Mark Sears is Bronson 2.0 yeah I think he made like did he make like 10 threes they made like 20 20 still went away like 25 wow that's it Ohcho that concludes this episode of Nightcap brought to you by Boost Mobile visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or BoostMobile.com to join their nationwide 5G network today I'm up, that's Ocho Liberty City's own, bingo ring of Fame, Honorary. The Pro Bowl, the All Pro.
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Link is also pinned in the chat.

Guests lining up.

Please make sure you don't want to miss this.

Go grab your tickets now.

Thank Ryan Coogler for joining us.

His movie, Sinners,

starring Michael B. Jordan, Del Rolindo is in it.

Haley Steinfeld,

Jack O'Connell, right? I think he's in it. Haley Steinfeld, Jack O'Connell,

right? I think he's in it.

His movie Sinners

comes out April 18th

starring Michael B. Jordan.

Hey, let's support the brother.

Let's make sure he knows that we got him.

Thank you guys for joining us

for another episode of Nightcap.

I'm Unc, he's Ocho.

We will see you on Sunday.

Thank you guys for joining us.

I love you guys.