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Tony Baker joins us a little later in the show, but first go James,

go James,

go James.

He went,

he,

for the first time,

he entered the game in the fourth quarter where he hadn't scored a field goal.

He had three points.

If I'm not mistaken,

I think he only had two points at the half.

At the half.

Yep.

And he has a streak 18 years.

He scored at least 10 points in every game for the last 18 years it's the longest consecutive streak of double-digit games in NBA history and he kept the streak alive because he was sensational I think he scored 12 points in the fourth quarter but none bigger than the tip it at the buzzer to give them the win the Lakers beat the Pacers uh 120 to 119. Lakers had a 17 point lead.
They squandered that again. Oh, Joe, it was the win.
The Lakers beat the Pacers 120-119.

Lakers had a 17-point lead.

They squandered that again.

Oh, Joe, it was the third quarter.

What quarter?

Third.

Every time.

They gave up 37 points

in the third quarter.

Remember the other night?

They gave up 34 points

in the third quarter.

And it looked like

they scored a little over 60 points in the second half.

And that'll get you beat. And the Lakers are going to have to find out until it's important to them to take care of the basketball, to play better defense.
They're going to find themselves in these kinds of games because they allow teams to hang around because they turn the ball over. when they can stretch and lead to 20, 22, 23.

They turned the ball over in a couple of quick threes. And now all of a sudden a 17 point game is down under 10, but when it mattered the most, and that's what good players, that's what great players do.
They can play bad, no matter the sport or till they can play bad for a particular period of time, but when they absolutely have to have it, they can dig down. Now, a lot of times, you and I both played the game of football.
Sometimes when things are not going our way, we allow it to creep in our game, creep into our minds, it'll affect our overall play. I thought he rebounded the ball extremely well.
He had 13 rebounds. He led the Lakers in rebounds.
He did a great job of facilitating, considering Luka is the primary ball handler now. Let him assist with seven.
But when he needed it, he dug down in his fourth quarter. He got it going.
He primarily had the ball in his hand while Luka was on the bench getting his rest to start the fourth. He got his double digits, and then he turned it back over to Luka, and Luka got hot again down the stretch.
I think Luka ended up with 34 points. AR, Austin Reeves had 24.
But it was LeBron at the end of the ball game that got the tip in at the buzzer because this would have been heartbreaking. This would have been a gut-wrenching loss.
They had lost this game. They were on the 0-3 skid.
The 0-3 skid, for one, like you said earlier, they can play in stretches in the game and get a lead, but because of the lack of defense and always being F-ing, being transitioned, being lazy, turning the ball over, they allow teams to come back in. Teams that they should be dominating, obviously the game of basketball is about to get, is a game of runs, but still, you're playing the Pacers.
I'm not saying the Pacers are horribly sorry, but when it comes to the Lakers, if you're serious about not only making the playoffs

or keeping the seed that you're in, this is a game that you're supposed to go in and dominate quarter by quarter. But yet again, in the third quarter, after having the lead they had, they almost squandered that.
They did, because the Pacers ended up taking the lead, don't you Ocho. They scored the lead.
The Pacers took the lead.

And then, uh,

I don't want to butcher his last name. Roy?

Rui? Rui? Rui Hachimura.

Brother Hachimura,

Hakatana,

hit the two threes towards the end of the game,

and LeBron

had to come through in a magical moment in the game.

They should have lost, honestly.

Honestly, they should have lost. Hey, he owed him that one.
LeBron owed him that one. He's in the game, they should have lost, honestly.
Yeah. Honestly, they should have lost.

Hey,

he owed him that one.

LeBron owed him that one.

He's in the locker room

saying,

knowing LeBron,

he probably

in the locker room

guys like,

hey,

that was a big win,

but I owe y'all.

Yeah.

I owe you.

For that first half?

For the game.

Because I think,

what was he,

he ended up 4-12?

Yeah.

So he was 3-11

before that TPNO show,

so he ends up

going 4-12.

And he knows

0-7 from the three.

He knows

the what was he ended up 4-12? Yeah. So he was 3-11 before that TPN-O-Chill, so he ends up going 4-12, and he knows

0-7 from the 3, he knows

he didn't his overall game, but the thing

is about a great player, you find other ways to

impact the game. Look at his defensive

rebounder. I mean, look at his rebounder.

Look at his assist.

Let him in assist, let him in

rebounds, but that's what great players do.

They find ways to impact the game

even though he wasn't scoring. A lot

of times a score, when he's not scoring no-cho, he mopes, he pops, and all of a sudden it impacts other areas of the game. Can you impact the game when you're not doing what you normally do to impact the game? Find other ways to influence the game.
Rebound the basketball. Can I facilitate?

Can I play defense?

Can I draw a charge or things of that nature?

And I was very happy to see LeBron pulling out.

Had a lot going on today.

Luca, in the month of March, 31.4 points a game.

Eight and a half rebounds, 8.6 assists.

43 points, so basically 44% from the three-point line

on 11 attempts per game.

Thank you. 43 points, so basically 44% from the three-point line on 11 attempts per game.

He's on pace to be the youngest Laker to average 30 points in a single month since Kobe in 2003.

Nah.

Hey, I like the Laker chance.

I love all the mantras, all the quotes of Lakersakers in 5 but I honestly think they need one more piece as great as Hakatana as great as Hakatana Ruri is playing they need something else another score LeBron has an off night then Luka gives you what he does tonight he was kind of off and but he still ended up with 34. But I think if they just had one more person, they give him just a little bit more.
I know Reeves is good. I know Rui can score as well.
They just need one more piece of that puzzle. Well, what they were hoping for, that Alex Lynn could give them something.
Now, I don't know what they see from Alex Lynn since he's been in the league. And you don't like

Buddy, man. It's not about

like or dislike, Ochoa. I mean, I think the

chatters would agree. They've watched him at

many different stops. I think he's been in

Washington. I think he's been with the

Suns.

He's been different places.

He's what he is.

He's what he is. I don't care.
you take a grizzly bear out of the forest uh uh whether he in alaska or he's in canada or he's right it does not matter you take him out of bed and you put him in a different environment he's still a grizzly bear okay yeah his instincts does not go away right so in other words if he's sorry over here what do you expect him to be over there I mean it's not like he was good at one point in time on Joe and you say you know what hopefully he can summon that up again but he has not been good at any stop he's tall now our culture is calling his name it is what it it is. And I'm just being factual.
There's not anybody outside there that can help him, Ocho. And the problem is, is that when Jackson Hayes goes to the bench, they're our small team.
They don't have another big. LeBron got to go to the five.
LeBron has to go to the five. Or you bring in Dorian Finney-Smith, and he has to play the five.
But they're a very, very small team. And that's the problem that you have because you're really not playing Jackson Hayes more than 25 minutes a night.
Right. And he's the guy, and the thing that I love about me, you love and you hate, is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes.
He's a lob guy. He gives it off the rim.
He gives you a second chance opportunities. But he's not a guy that you can run to the blind and say, hey, he's going to put his back to the basket, throw it to a hand, and he's going to do something with it.
That's not what he is. That's not who he is.
Right. Now, I got a question now.
Now, listen, you know, my knowledge of the game of basketball is a little limited. I'm getting better at it, though.
Now, listen, if they got to go small, if they got to go small, shouldn't the Lakers, at times, depending on who it is, be at an advantage when it comes to, you know, playing small and having to transition up and down the court as opposed to, you know... Yeah, if the other team goes small, but what happens when they got Jokic out there? What do you do? Ah.
And that's the problem. Okay, let's just say you play Memphis.
Right. Memphis got Zach Eady, who's 7'3".
Yeah. So even if he's not in real threat, don't you? He's just clogging up space.
He's not advantageous on offense at all. Or am I wrong? He's going to give you extra possession because of rebounding.

Okay.

And without rebounding, there are no rings without rebounding.

Okay.

And that's the problem that the Lakers are going to have.

Even when LeBron has an off-match, you still have AR and Luka that can carry the load.

If Luka is struggling, LeBron and AR can carry the load.

If AR is struggling, Luka and LeBron can still carry the load. So you got three guys that can score.
AR is giving you like 20 a night. LeBron is giving you 25.
Luka is giving you 30. Okay, that's fine.
One of those guys struggling, other guys can take over. Need a little bit better production consistently from the bench.
You got some good minutes tonight, but J.J.'s just going to have to trust Dalton Connect. I think the thing is that he loses his way sometimes on the defensive end.
And being around J.J., the little bit I had working with him at ESPN, he doesn't like that. He likes students of game he likes smart guys smart guys you can win with

even if they're not

the most talented

supremely talented guys

that doesn't have

basketball IQ

get your ass beat

and that frustrates JJ

because JJ wasn't

the most talented

although he was

a great player in college

and a really good player

in the NBA

he was very smart

he knew where

he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be there. Boom.
So he could play. Listen, he did all the small things right.
Very detailed. Yes.
Very disciplined. And when you're not supremely athletic, Ocho, you're not supremely athletic, you're not 6'8", 6'9".
You gotta do everything right. Or you don't have handles like a Kyrie.
You're not quick. Uh-huh.
So what other way can I find a way to get on the court, stay on the court, and not cost my team? Right. And if you look at it, Ochoa, I think there's 10 games left, and you look at three through eight, there's only four games difference.
There's only four games difference. Basically, four games back.

Denver Nuggets have the same

win-loss record as the Lakers, and they're

in the three seed. Lakers are four.

Memphis is five. All of them have

28 losses. And then you got the Clippers,

Golden State, with

31 losses, which are three

games back, and you got Minnesota

at 32 losses

at a game back

of them. So four games separate

three through eight, and there's

Thank you. games back and you got Minnesota at 32 losses at a game back of them.
So four games separate three through eight and there's ten games to go. Ten games in a row.
Excuse me. Ten games to go.
So the rubber got to beat the road. Something got to give.
Yeah. What's the highest seed? What do you think is preferable for you as a Laker fan for them? What would be easier for them, best case scenario, to be able to get out of the first round or at least have a chance getting to the second round? Have home court advantage.
So you need to be one through four to have home court advantage. They're not going to get the one seed because OKC has run away with that.
So the one seed is already etched in stone. Now, could they get the two seed? Yeah, that's a possibility.
They got the Rockets on the schedule. They need to close out this road game strong and then go home and close out that homestand strong.
Right. I can see them three or four.
Right. Three or four.

So that means that if everything remains the same,

that means they get Memphis in the first round.

Ooh, what you like about that matchup in seven games here?

Hey, just stay away from OKC.

We need to get some rhythm before we see OKC.

We need some pressure to mount.

Ain't no pressure in the first round.

They need pressure.

So you're saying Memphis ain't no pressure? No, not for the Lakers. I like that matchup against Memphis.
But you know who Memphis got over there? Yeah, Ja. Yeah.
Yeah. I give you Ja, I give you Luka.
Who you taking? Okay. I give you Ja, I give you LeBron.
Who you taking? now they got Jaron Jackson who's a DPOY candidate who made the all-star game has played well in the absence Ja is nursing a hamstring or something but he's been up and down now when he's been in yeah he's Ja I mean he's the second pick in the draft he's been an all-star, so you know what he can do. I mean, nobody's surprised just to actually go to a game and watch him, and to watch the way he's elevating, the way he can contort his body.
He's special. He's a guy that, you know, I pay my good money to go see.
Because that's what he is. Look, I'm basically a guy only if I'm paying my money to come see him.
I ain't paying my money to come see you.

I don't give them how many points you average.

You're not interested.

Jack got nothing to do with me.

Ja is interesting.

Because he can finish above the rim.

Got a nice little float game.

Mid-range shot. He's gotten better

shooting the set three.

But

he's fun to watch. I like that matchup.
Do I think they can beat anybody? Yes. In seven games? Absolutely.
Because Luka and LeBron can both take over a game and give you 40. So those two guys, but the thing is, Ochoa, in the playoffs, your three best guys need to be really good.
Two out of three need to be great. Right.
Damn near every single night. Now, if I'm getting 80 points, 60, if I'm getting 65 to 80 points from my big three, I'm going to need the other six guys, because you're not going to go that deep.
Playoff start, you might go nine. As you go further, you reduce that.
But I'm going to need those other nine guys. If those three guys give me eight, I'm going to need those other guys to give me 35.
And they're going to have to get a little bit more production from the bench. Gabe Vincent is shooting the ball a little better.
Penny Smith is doing a little better, but they got to make a decision. What are we going to do at Don't Connect? Because he can shoot the three, but he gets lost on defense.
He gives up easy buckets. And I don't know what...
Something is being lost in translation, Ocho. He's a liability.
Well, all of them... Look, Luke ain't playing no defense.
Austin Reed, bless his heart, ain't playing defense. LeBron can't sit in the chair no more.
LeBron is mainly a help side defender. He does use his body really well.
Guys try to go around him. He'll body him up because that's a big man to try to move.
He slows him down like that. But LeBron can't sit in the chair and no one expects him to, Ojo.
He's 40. What guy you know played defense at 40? Kobe didn't.
Jordan didn't. I'm talking about historically great players.
Even Pippen that didn't play until he was 40, he couldn't slide those feet like he could when he was in his prime. We understand that because you and I talked about it the other night.
The lateral quickness is what you lose as he starts to age. So with that being said, Ocho, I like the Lakers.
I believe they can beat anybody in the Western Conference. Yeah, it'll be a struggle

with OKC.

Oh, don't you see that fire?

We're still

winning the fire.

So you want to hold up going to the next topic okay um Ocho I don't know if it was this morning or with Tate yesterday I'm thinking it this morning what happened LeBron went on the Pat McAfee show he had a lot to say today. That was out of character

to him. I've never seen him in that setting before

and actually just talking freely

like that.

So

we're going to get to that

in just a second

while we wait for TJ

to connect. But the Lakers, I'm looking

at the Clippers. I think the thing is

Ocho, you're trying to stay out of 7 through 10 because you don't want to play any more games than you have to. You won't rest.
And it won't start until the 7, 8, 9, 10 is determined to play and who's going to be 7, who's going to be 8 to that determine. So you need rest.
LeBron James is 40. He's been played, what, 38, 39 minutes tonight.
So he's going to need rest.

Any bumps and bruises,

you want to try to get those guys as healthy as you possibly can.

Now,

the best thing about the playoffs,

you don't play every other,

you don't play it back to back.

Right.

I mean,

the first game you play and then you might have a couple of days off and

then you get into the routine.

You play it every other day.

Okay.

You can live with that,

but you try to get LeBron.

LeBron is going to need as much rest as he possibly

can because he is 40.

Here's what it is.

And so once they determine

who they're going to, once they are, if they can secure

one of these top six seeds,

you avoid the play-in, you get an

opportunity to get a couple of days of rest, and then

hey, for the Marvins, for all

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Oh, he joined us. T, what's up, T? T, J ain't no better than I am that working at technology.
Yeah. T, what'd you say? Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear y'all.
Oh, no, you can hear us. Now, don't pretend like you can hear us all along.
No, I couldn't. I ain't know what the hell, man.
I ain't know what. T, what's up, boy? What's happening? What's up? Hey, look.
Hey, T, look, I'm swole. Hey, I see you got your little ass back in that weight room.
You need to get on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's been up? You got to get on that Shannon Shark player. Shit, we love the motherfucking.
Hold on, hold on. Hey, I'm on the Shannon Shark player.
Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, slide your boy one of them things.
Hey, I got you. I got you.
Hey, listen. Listen, you put it under the tongue, boy does one.
Did you hear me? Hey, slide your boy one. Let me...
I got you. I got you.
I got you. I got you.
Look, how did I get involved in this? How did I get involved with this? Hey, hey, TJ, let me ask you this. When you first met Hoosh, I mean, when you first met Hoosh, what was your impression of this dude? Man, so we met in college.
He was just real chill. Real, real chill.
Chad don't really talk no shit till it's like the competition start. Other than that, Chad chilling.
And then when the competition start, that's when all the shit so, you know, I thought Chad was hella quiet. And then we went to practice.
I said, oh shit, who is this? He was just a different guy. Who is this fool? Straight up, who is this fool who is this fool exactly oh them some good days man them some good days oh them some good days I've been knowing Chad since we was teenagers basically that's crazy how many years has it been listen my math teenagers, it'd be 28.
Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro. Yes.
Golly, boy. Hey, you know what's crazy, though, Chad? I was just telling somebody this.
No, we still look the same, boy. God done blessed us when we was...
Hey, you know what they say? The black of the juice is sweeter than berry. Hey, Chad, God blessed me.
Something like that.

God said, that's my son.

He hit us with that stick.

Yeah, he did.

He did.

TJ, when he bless you to keep your hair,

he didn't bless Ocho with that.

Oh, wait.

Hey, TJ, can you tell I can grow a full set of hair now?

Chad, he always had a bald head.

He ain't never had no hair.

Grow some hair here and there.

He always had.

Yeah, see?

Sporadic. It's sporadic.
I hair. Grow some hair here and there.
He always had. Yeah.
See? Sporadic.

It's sporadic.

I know.

As a matter of fact, TJ,

I want your hair

to kind of like my sex life.

Sporadic.

Nah.

Sporadic.

Nah.

No.

Nah.

Don't do that.

You know that ain't the truth there.

I ain't got no spark.

I want you to cut me out of my deal.

I can't get no spark because he ordered them all. Hey, I got about three boxes full.
Lodge, boy. You always in L.A.
You come to L.A. You in and out.
Holler at your boy. Hey, matter of fact, I'm going to be in L.A.
I'm going to be in L.A. on the 30th.
But you got to understand, these are prescribed for me based on the questions I had to ask before I ordered them. So they're prescribed're prescribed to you now I'm not sure if you would be able to use mine because mine is like it's like putting 93 in your car you hear me? yeah he got the hot tip dance hey listen I know Chad I know Chad I know I know you.
You know, I know. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Y'all got my head hurting already. Hey.
TJ, you think the Bengals re-signed, they re-signed T. We knew they were going to re-sign Chase.
That was a no-brainer. You're talking about one of the top, the top three receivers in the league, and I'm not sure he's two or three.
You make the case, it's easy to say he or Jetta, based on the last three years,

they're one, one, eight, whatever the case you want to go.

Are you surprised that the Bengals were able to get a deal done with T?

No, not at all.

Who else earned it?

Them two dudes earned it.

When you go outside of Trey Hendrickson, nobody else on the team has earned that money.

We knew they was going to pay Jamar.

They always going to pay their best receiver

and the quarterback.

They always going to do that.

What shocked me,

T,

when he fired David Mulder together,

he basically told the Bengals,

I want to stay in Cincinnati.

I fired my agent

because I want to stay here. Y'all going to make that happen.
He took a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati. I fired my agent because I want to stay here.
Y'all gonna make that happen. He took a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati.
Absolutely. He really did.
And so, no, it didn't surprise me, but shit, who else earned it? Nobody else on that team earned it outside of Trey Hendrickson. So you gotta pay somebody.
The Eagles paying everybody. The big one, pay somebody.
But, but T, this is what you gotta think about. When you think about the Eagles what Lurie what Lurie and uh and young Bull is over there doing is they paying them yeah yeah brother Roseman they paying everybody a little bit early they catching them early but they not they not paying top dollar Axie for the players that they specific position but the Bengals we waiting on the back end we waiting on the back end and forcing forcing the players to bet on themselves Chad you ain't so they could have had they could have had Jamar what 35 36 they could have had two years ago two years ago right and they know this is the truth because I told them they could have had T Higgins five years 100 million they said that was too much right and I know this because I told them this right and but the Eagles Eagles, they paying A.J.
Brown got paid at the top. Devontae.
Right. They didn't get paid at the top.
Jalen Hurst got paid at the top. What organization you know? Sign a dude to a deal.
He ball out and they say, you know what, man? You outplayed your deal. We're going to give you another deal after one year.
The way they just did, Saquon Barkley. Gave 20 mil.
Look, I'm praying if I'm a rookie coming out that I get drafted to the Eagles the way they... Absolutely.
Right, right, right, right, right, right. But also, you got to understand how special Saquon Barkley is.
This is just not your average running back. Kelly was special in New York and they wouldn't pay you.
Chad, you know being special when you're under that contract, they ain't sure you need no more money.

Right, right.

But look, you got to understand the importance and value

that he brought to that team in general.

Some of the pressures that he took off Jalen Hurst

throughout that season, what he was able to do

for them offensively, actually getting them over the hump

and getting to that Super Bowl run.

So I understand especially everything he's been through,

the storyline in general, that's one of the greatest stories right now. Giants, we're going to tag you because we don't really value the position anymore.
That's dumb. The Giants should have got a Super Bowl ring for how dumb they are, letting Saquon go to the street.
They should have been given a Super Bowl ring. They dumb.
Yeah. Hey, so listen, knowing the Bengals and understanding what we need, the way we look last year, how we finish, understanding what we need to do offensively, obviously we need to start fast.
But on the defensive side of the ball, what do you think we need to do come draft? What do we need most? We got to be able to stop the run. I believe Jenkins is to be his second year.
If anything, like his daddy, he going to be better. So your pops was a hell of a defensive tackle.
He's going to be better. Just his bloodlines in a year of experience.
We just going to have to draft well on defense, man. We got to be able to draft well like we draft Myles Murphy out of Clemson in the first round.
He got playing like that now this is going into his third year he ain't playing like a first round draft he gotta play like that we need Cam Taylor Britt to play how he played in 2023 Jay Turner was playing well then he got hurt and so they can do it it's just they cannot miss we can't miss

with draft picks

on the defensive side of the ball

when you're going to pay the offense

you got to draft

and develop

on the defensive side of the ball

that's going to be the key

we got to make sure

we get three starters

out of this draft

on defense

if you notice

wait

three starters

that can come in and start right now

right now

right

your first round pick

your second round pick

and somebody else

that

that just surprises you

right

what do you see from the Eagles

I'm going to go. now? Right now.
First round pick, your second round pick, and somebody else that just surprises you. What do you see from the Eagles? What do they get? Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Brother Mikel, DeJuan.
You see what they did? All on defense. Nekobe Dean, Nolan Smith Jr.
All on defense. Because we're paying all the money.
55, 50 plus million for Hertz. We got 33, 34, 33 million tied up in AJ.
We got 28 million tied up in Devontae. And we paid our entire offensive line.
Lane Johnson, Dickerson, Mylotta.

And we done paid Dodgers. We gotta hit it out the park on the defensive side of the joke

because we can't pay top dollars.

That's why they let those guys leave.

Think about the guys that left.

Went to New England.

One guy went to Arizona.

Because we can't pay him.

Now Jalen Carter,

whoo!

He about to get

$41, $42 million.

Yeah. Go ahead and give him to it now

before you have to pay him $50 million.

Yeah.

Hey, T, think about how bad our defense

was, right? And obviously they paid

T, they paid Burrow,

we paid Chase. What do you think about

Trey Henderson? Do we pay

Trey Henderson market value or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he's not. We pay him market value, Chad, but what's market value? What's market value? I mean, he got 33, what, 36 sacks in the past two seasons? He got 35, 17 and a half the last two years, 35 sacks.
This is what I'll say. I'm a pain, but I'm not making him one of the highest paid defensive players.
I'm not doing it. You can't.
Whoa, how are you not going to do that? Number one, number one, this is where we call this hustling backwards. I ain't holding out.
I'm trying to get money. I'm not going to hold out and lose money.
You do that, we hustling backwards now. He's not going to hold out.
So I'm doing my solid. I'm giving.
He's supposed to make $17 million, I believe, this year. If the Bengals would be fair, they'd bump him up to 28 to 30.
The 30 would be the max that I would give him if it was the Bengals. We got to understand, he a hell of a player.
He had five sacks against the Raiders. Five sacks against the Raiders.
And so he showed up big time the last game against the Steelers. You got three.
With him being 31, you can't give this man a four-year extension at 35 plus a year. I'd give him 28 to 30 million.
I believe the Bengals would do that. How much are you going to give him guaranteed? How much are you going to give him for the guarantee? Because that's what I'm looking at.
Damn them big ass numbers if they just paper. See, now Shannon, you talking.
Now, now, now. Shannon's talking like that agent right there.
Like, hey. I say, I say about, uh, I'm going to give me 45 guaranteed 45 million guaranteed that's about I don't know if he's going to take that TJ no no no this is the thing though because if you look at T Higgins contract if I'm guaranteed 30 in the first year just say 35 in the first year 35 in the first year if you trade Hendson.
And then I give you a $10 million roster bonus in the offseason. I'm not releasing you.
Your base salary for that second season is pretty much guaranteed. It's just not part of the fully guaranteed part of the contract.
So now your base salary is somewhere along $15 million. That's $60 million in two years you're going to make.

And it ain't fully guaranteed, but $15 of it is, as long as you got that $10 million

roster bonus, they're not going to give you

$10 million in offseason and release you.

Hey, they say, did y'all see

what they did to Aaron Rodgers? Did y'all see what they did

to Russell Wilson?

They will release you.

Even if you got 30 plus

Russell had 36 million

guaranteed. You said no, Russell Wilson

did to himself when he was playing?

Yeah, I

think TJ, for me,

I think he might be content if you

fully guarantee the first two years at about

$60 million because you said that

$30 million level, you're not trying

to put him at, you're not trying to put

him at, uh, 34 million. You're not trying to put him at Miles Garrett, which is $40 million.
So I think two years at $60 million, the last three years are going to be vulnerable, but he's going to probably, he's going to want something, a big number to make a big splash, but you're going to probably have to give him $60 million fully guaranteed. This year, year, man, we got to do something.
We got to do something. We got to play in the preseason because the last few years we haven't been playing in the preseason.
Exactly, and we start off slow every regular season. The first game of the season last year was, is Chase going to play? Is he going to, oh, shit, he going to play.
He acted. And it moves to the Patriots, and that now is a game that caught.
got y'all in the playoffs. We're talking about Trey Hendrickson, but we saw Pratt, your outstanding linebacker that led him in tackles.
Now you lost Hubbard, who retired. Hendrickson is upset because of his contract.
Pratt said, y'all ain't got no money for me because y'all just paid Burr, y'all played T, y'all played Chase, y'all ain't got no money for me

and y'all need to play Hendrickson, y'all need to

let me go. You can't keep

losing any good defensive players, TJ,

and expect you to think you're going to win.

You can't, Shannon, but I hate

doing this, man. I hate doing

this. We was players,

man. We was players.

But if you played on that defense and you

not trade Hendrickson, what you want? What you want? What did you do during the season that says you deserve more money? I want more to 7 million. Then you should have played like you wanted more to 7 million.
Damn, TJ. Damn, damn, TJ.
I see you talking about being on show. I'm going to get TJ.
TJ cut the ball. I'm saying, outside of Trey Hendrickson, who on that defense could literally say I deserve a pay raise? Right.
Trey Hendrickson was the only one that showed up each and every game when he was needed. Now, Jermaine Pratt has some games, but he even has some plays where, ah, we needed that play.
Ah, we needed that play. I mean, if you start in any position in the league, we all know this, and you get enough opportunity, you're going to make enough plays, but what about the plays you don't make? Right.
When I look... I would get ready to say, obviously, you and I have been playing together since college, And obviously, I view, and I've always said it before, I think Chase is probably, to me, the greatest banger receiver.
Probably, you think? Chad, stop. Stop, bro.
Wait, wait, let me finish. No, no, no, no.
That's not true. That's not true.
Isaac Curtis Hill, downtown Freddie Brown. No, that man right there with them locs on his.

Huh?

Like,

listen.

I've never,

I've never won a

triple crown though.

Listen,

listen,

because you had me.

Listen though,

and Chad know this,

Shannon.

He know what I'm

about to say.

Man,

Chad's supposed to be

in the Hall of Fame,

man.

They fucking this boy

over,

man.

Oh,

I put on my own jacket though. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Chad, Chad, you know I'm serious about of Fame, man. They fucking this boy over, man.
Oh, I put on my own jacket, though.

No, no, no, no, no.

Chad, you know I'm serious about this

because I tell you this all the time.

Chad is the greatest receiver in Bengals history.

Now, Jamar Chase is on his way

to trying to equal or pass Chad.

But where we sit right now,

man, Chad is here.

It's Chad.

It's Chad.

It's AJ Green. It's Isaac Curtis.
That's what it is to me. Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to getting there.
But come on, Chad, you can't do it to yourself. I tell you this all the time.
Shannon you on the Hall of Fame let me give you my Hall of Fame criteria because for some odd reason

I think my criteria is the best

and nobody listens to it

okay you in the Hall of Fame. Let me give you my Hall of Fame criteria because for some odd reason, I think my criteria is the best and nobody listens to it.
Okay. For a period of five years, were you a top five player at your position? If you got to think about it, you're not a Hall of Famer.
I agree. So, now, you go to 2002, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
That's seven years. Seven of those years, Chad was top three in the league for five of them.
He led the AFC five years in a row. How this man can't even be a finalist? Like, that makes no sense.
He was leading the AFC in a year. He didn't lead it.
I did. I did.
So you tell me how he ain't in a, how he not even a finalist, but you got dudes that wasn't even top five at their position. They getting in.
But I was, I was a villain, the villain. They never let the villain in, but they never, they listen.
I understood that. Why do you think I donned the jacket in the first place because i understood the politics that came behind it to me i don't like that listen i don't

like the business side of football i remember we talked about that the other day i talked about

contracts the reason why i played the game like a little kid having fun and entertaining

now the flip side of things okay i know how y'all gonna play me i choose i chose not to conform

i'm playing the game the way i felt it should be played so regardless of what my numbers would be

T, I understand what you're saying. You earned it.
You earned it. But you gotta play by their rules.
If you don't play by their rules, they not letting you in there. You know how I feel about it.
You know what? All the stuff that you was doing, you can do now. Y'all didn't get fined for it.
They owe you back pay. They owe you back pay.
They owe you back pay. Yeah, but here's the thing, Ocho.
You had no off-field issues. Now, what happened was the thing that's going against you, and you still don't have this, is that they wanted to keep T.O.
out so bad, they changed it. They said anything that you did on the sidelines or in the locker room could be used against you.
Where before, they said even off-field activities couldn't be held against the player. That's how bad they wanted to keep T.O.
from being the first ballot on the favor. Yeah, that was criminal that T.O.
won first. And then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year.
The second year? No. The first year, and I think even though T.O.
And then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year. The second year? No.
The first year and I think even though and y'all know how I feel about T.O. I said he's the second greatest receiver to me.
Some people push back and say it's Randy but we know I think you and I think T.J. and I are more aligned.
I think Jerry's the greatest receiver and it ain't close. That's my prediction.
Now T TJ, you might say Randy, you might say T.O., but for me, I think those three are the top three receivers as we sit here and discuss it today. Now, Chase and Jetta and somebody down the line might have something to say about it, but I sure hope I'm alive when I can see the receiver that say, hey, he right there with Jerry.
I want to be alive to see that receiver. That ain't going to never happen.
Jerry Rice was getting a thousand yards in the year 20, bro. 30 years old, got 1,200 yards.
That's never going to happen. We'll never see somebody do what Jerry Rice has done.
But Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, they on their way. But they got to make sure that they don't hit any bumps in the road because Odell Beckel was on his way as well.
And he hit those bumps in the road. He could never recover from that.
I just feel like Chad is the best Bengal receiver in the history of a team. He knows that.
I know. Now, Chase is on his way.
I just, I tell Chad this all the time because he's never going to say nothing about it, man. It's just a crime that he can't be a Hall of Fame finalist when his game on the field, he earned that shit, bro.
Spoke to that. And that's one thing about Chad.
Like, when you talk about work hard, this dude is going to run himself to death. Like, Shannon, we was in year nine, and we was taking all the scout team reps like we were still rookies.
Every time. Every practice.
Every Thursday, Friday, we did all the offensive reps, all the scout team reps. I left the Bengals and went to other teams.
Them dudes is like bro, scout team. I just always have done it.
People don't realize Chad work hard. We similar paths.
We both went Juco. We both had like, ain't no way they making it to the league.
Oh, shit, they made it. And to be successful, I mean, that right there within itself, pat yourself on the back, but yeah, Chad should be in the Hall of Fame, man.
Any chance I get, I'm going to say that because I know, I know who the best receivers were, and I'm not going to put nobody down, but some of these dudes, they not better than him. And them dudes even know they not better than him.
I don't look at rookie Jermaine Burton. We saw the struggles.
A lot of it played out publicly. Oh, you'll say he's going to, he's going to try to intervene this year.
We got two great Bengal receivers. That's trying to help the younger generation.
Like, bro, there's a lot. There's a professional aspect of it, which is what you do.
You're an NFL. That means you're a professional.
And then there's a pro, P-R-O, which is the way you go about handling your business. We need to get you to become a pro.
You know, with Jermaine, like I was talking to him a lot prior to the season starting because, you know, he was having problems prior to the season. And Bengals knew that I was close with him, so they was reaching out to me before anything ever became public.
Certain games, he wasn't even going to be active then. They were letting me know the night before.
And so I'm giving Maine a call like, bruh, what's going on? How you doing? I'm going to just see if he going to tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on. Right.
And he got all the talent in the world. But at some point, I can't want you to be what you don't want to be.
That's what I tell my kids. I can't want it more than you want it for yourself.

He's going to have to figure that out.

I just talked to him today.

I just talked to him today.

And to me, it ain't about anything physical on the field.

He got to make sure mentally and off the field, he ready to go.

Because the league going to move on.

He got one more strike.

They going to move on without him.

It don't matter who you are, man. Thank you.
got to make sure mentally and off the field he ready to go because the league going to move on.

He got one more strike. They going to move on without him.
It don't matter who you are, man.

It's the NFL. This thing going to keep rolling.

You're going to hop on the train and roll with us

or you're going to get your ass rolled over and get left

behind.

I hope he figure it out, man,

because he's so talented. He comes

from a background where he can really change

his family's fortune. I'm going to do all I can.
Chad, no me, I'm going to talk. I'm going to help him as much as I can.
But ultimately, I can't want him more than you want him. Yeah, man, listen, I don't know Brother Burton like that.
Obviously, when I go to the stadium, when I do have my times and chances where I'm at the field,

I don't want to be that father figure.

I don't want to be that guy.

Because when I was playing and people come in,

I wasn't trying to hear that stuff from them.

So I just talk strictly football.

When you out here, you're going to pull up to the training.

That's what you're going to do.

You're going to pull up to the training.

I'm going to bring my cleats, too. I don't know if you...
I can't tell TJ. Tell him to let up to the training.
That's what you're going to do. You're going to pull up to the training.
I'm going to bring my cleats too. I keep telling TJ, tell him to let it go, TJ.
Hey. What? Hey, man, it's just different, Chad.
Hey, right now, I lightweight hurt myself thinking I could... Hey, man.
And your mind say, I got this. As soon as you get on that field, boy, your body be like, boy, you better sit your ass right on down.
There's a reason why we hung them clean, TJ. We look the part, but I don't know if we are the part.
It's that lateral, and I keep trying to tell Ocho, yes, Ocho, could you run straight ahead? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It ain't no... See, Chad might be the only...
I'll give you that. Chad's lateral movement was...
It's out of this world. That's one thing.
Chad was so quick. Even if he lose quickness, he about what everybody else is now.
See? I told you. But here's the fango, TJ.
Even though he might be, because his quickness is because he's so light. See, you and I like to play through contact.
We wanted somebody to try to We wanted somebody to be up there, Ocho, I mean TJ, so we can snatch a pool or rip through the ass. Yeah.
Hit that 185, hit lateral quickness right there. Man, they're going to shove his ass up on him a bit.
Hey, Shannon, you probably giving Chad about five pounds. Chad probably about 180 right now.
Right now, I'm 205. Chad, you a damn lie.
Look at this. Hey, Chad.
You got a big bicep. You got a big chest.
You got big calves. Yeah.
That's it.. But all your weight is, the weight is from waist down.
That's what a weight is, Ocho. Hey, you know what Prima say? Prima say the horses ain't got no big legs neither.
You see how they run. Exactly.
Fairbred. Look how skinny their ankles are.
Now, Climesdale got the big-ass legs that ain't moving nothing. They pulling stuff.
Clow horse and a racehorse. Hey, TJ, who you got? Because we know we got this fight coming up this year.
Ocho versus James Harrison in MMA. Yeah, hey, hey.
Listen, man. Chad, my dog, bro.

What kind of... Hey, T, don't say nothing wrong.

Don't say nothing wrong.

What kind of fight is it?

Don't say nothing wrong.

Is it just boxing?

MMA.

Nah.

MMA.

Chad, don't do the MMA, bro.

I love you, dog.

Chad.

So who side you on?

You not on my side?

Chad, listen to what I'm saying, bro.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Are you on my side or not?

I need to see your eyes, bro.

Take the lokes off.

Chad. Boxing, I got you.
Yeah. MMA, man.
What? That motherfucker. James Harrison go, Brad, you and me at the same time.
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Hey, I don't care nothing

about strength, boy. You know how strong...

If he can wrestle, you do.

Huh? If he can grab you,

you do. He's not gonna be able to grab

me, T. He's not gonna be able to grab me, T.
I'm fin he's not going to be able to grab me T I'm going to play with him T, listen to me I'm going to toy with him I'm going to toy with him in the octagon Listen, I'm going to hit him at will when I want to T I'm going to be jabbing him and jabbing him Jabbing him T I'm going to bounce around, I'm going to move around T Hey Chad Watch out yo, watch out And listen, I'm going to tell you. Let me listen to you.
I got you. If it's anything like that, I can't do it.
Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
You need to have faith in the mustard seed. I'm going to tell you how I'm going to do it.
I'm going to choke him out with a guillotine, and I'm going to run straight to you and jump in your arms. Hey, man.
This is the old pride fight. No weight class.
This pride fight. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Back in the days. Back in the day.
Back in the 60s. Now, the boxing thing, because he got all that muscle, he going to be tired fast.
If it's just. What you think? What you think going to be an octagon? Because he's going to shoot and take you down.
He can't shoot. You can't shoot.
I'm going to keep my distance. You got to get close enough to throw a punch.
Yes. I'm like this.
How you get a third point, Jojo? Easy. What you mean? I'm a gazelle punching.
Hey, man. I just hope James Harrison, man.
James, if you're watching, have mercy on my boy, man. Hey, James, if you're watching, you got a punchable face.
Say, TJ, what you done started? Hey, what month is the fight? Whatever month you want it to be. I was hoping somewhere around August or September.
I thought we were doing the Super Bowl. Oh, so you want it to be at Super Bowl in San Francisco next year year Yeah, so all the former current players could be there to see him get his ass whooped Well, what about our show? He said You ain't gonna be able to do it, that's what he said That'd be perfect too We had a fight before the show Not the same day, I'm saying like a few days before Oh, Lord have mercy gotta remember Super Bowl is a 7 day 7 day event 7 day week I know so we can schedule it oh lord I bet you ain't heard from him cause I told him to decide to send a contract so we'll have a fight that Friday night we'll do our show that Thursday night bingo man yeah hey just pay him off back in the 40s and 50s Hey just pay him off

Back in the 40s and 50s man

Just pay him off

Pay him take a dive

Pay him take a dive

Like Harlem night

Pay him take a dive man

Hey listen

I'm not doing

I got too much pride T

If it's

I gotta

Listen

I gotta show the

I gotta show the world

We gotta learn to stand up

The bullies

If it's

We gotta learn to stand up

The people that's bigger than us

And stop

Stop looking at people

That have size and strength and allowing that to intimidate us. Oh, you know I ain't scared if it's boxing.
So remember, remember the story of David and Goliath, right? Same thing. That's what it's going to be.
All right. I'm with you.
It's going to play out in real life. That's all I got to say.
You know I gotta say you know I'm with you I'm advising you to make sure just hands only just these I got the quickest feet in the world you know they used to call me Luke Kane back in high school remember Mortal Kombat Luke Kane that was me that man get his hands on you Ocho hey unk that's the same thing as to say on Sundays if they get their hands on me and only one person was able to do it who that Revis you just got you know you was see when Revis did that you was one foot in one foot out you wasn't all the way in you wasn't in. Yeah.
Well, I sure hope he all the way in when he fight James. Oh, I definitely am.
Or he'll be both feet out. Hey, I've been working on my wrestling techniques too.
Oh, no. See what you said, TJ? This man talking about he going to wrestle.
Hey, man. No, I'm talking about in the third round.
He's going to be tired. It ain't going to get to the third round.
You better go get with one of them Gracies and get on some jujitsu. Yeah.
So then when he, when he grabbed you. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Hold on.
I'm a black belt. TJ, what you talking about? Nah, that's Hermes.
That ain't no jujitsu belt. Hey, you better go get with one of them Gracies.
Somebody teach you some jujitsu. When he grabs you, you got him.
That's your best bet. Pay John Jones to teach you.
You go to Albuquerque, New Mexico. That's where John, that's where he trained out of.
Go to Mexico for like a month. Yeah, I'm ready, man.
The fact that y'all don't believe me, that kind of hurt, man. Chad, that meant, hey, wrestling?

That's all the big dudes do.

That's all they're going to do.

Hey, wrestling, fighting, it don't matter what or anything, combat sports,

he's going to be tired in 20 seconds because the first thing he's going to do is,

ah, done, gassed.

It don't take much energy to grab somebody that can't get away. You do realize that man played in the NFL, so he rushed the quarterback.
When they were going on no huddle, he was still rushing the quarterback. I just let you know.
I tell you what, I done done enough talking tonight. I can show you better than I can tell you.
TJ, man, thanks for joining us, man. We got to get you to come back on on the reg, bro.

Man, y'all got to holler at your boy.

Hey, Boost Mobile, man.

Let me get that shirt, man.

I see they both got the Boost Mobile in the background.

Appreciate that.

All the best.

TJ, take care, man.

Thanks for joining us tonight.

For sure.

Yo.

TJ, who's Mazzotto?

Former Bengal great.

Ocho's teammate in college and in the NFL. Ocho, now, LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today, nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen A at a basketball game.
LeBron broke his silence on the incidents, referring to the fallout as a Taylor Swift tour run for Stephen A. The beat started over comments Stephen

A made regarding Bronny.

I initially wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk

about it. We didn't talk about it.

Y'all didn't hear anything from me for

about three weeks ago, but now LeBron

has went on PMAT, and we have to talk

about it now. LeBron said

he hasn't been too happy with how

Stephen A has reacted to the situation.

He's on a Taylor

run Swift tour right now. It started

off with, I didn't want to address it,

Thank you. He hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A.
has reacted to the situation. He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now.
It started off with, I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out, I feel, this is LeBron talking, I need to address it. He completely missed the whole point.
The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not allow people to talk about a sport and criticize players about what they do.

This is your job to criticize or to a position where that's a guy's not performing.

You know,

that's all a part of the game.

But when you take it and you get personal with it,

it's not my,

it's not my job to not only protect my damn household,

but protect the players.

He's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it.

Cause I know he's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it because I know he's going to be happy

as hell.

Hey.

I wish Stephen A. would just

left it alone. Once he addressed

it, once it happened,

the first time,

address it, this is what happened.

He came over to me, said

what he said. I want to

address it now, and I'm going to be done with it.

Because as my grandmother used to say,

boy, stirring up old-ish,

it still smells.

So every time

Stephen A. talks about it,

it stirs it up

again.

Look, I see both sides

of the equation, but Stephen A A just need to let it go. He needs to let it go.
And now you're like, well, if he'd hit him, I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you. LeBron was coming to tell you, bro, just stop talking about my son.
He said, because you said as a father, now you're making it personal. You're making it personal because now you're making it seems and this is how LeBron, I think, took it.
You're making it seem that I'm not a good father, that I'm not putting myself and putting my son in a position to be successful. And so you're like, you're pushing this and so LeBron took it a certain way.
And am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly? BecauseBron is a very private person he might have an issue with someone and you will never know it you will never know it you will never know it and so for him to do that at a game and it wasn't after the game it wasn't before the game it was the third quarter during the time out lets you know how upset he was at Stephen A. And what Stephen A.
had been saying. But at this point in time.
I understand LeBron. They asked LeBron about this.
But if I'm Stephen A. Hey.
Guys I've already addressed that. He said what he said.
I understood his point. I said what I said.
Now it's time to move on. Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court.
But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it ad nauseum. I feel we've talked about it enough and now it's time to move on.
That's what I wish Stephen A. would do.
But like he said, I mean, look, I get it. That's LeBron James.
He's the biggest name in pro-North American sport. And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click and hear what you have to say about him.
But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a little bit, I don't know him as well as a lot of people do. That man loves his family.
He's going to protect his family now. Always, always.
And I think when you think about it and you go back to the way things happen with LeBron actually addressing Stephen A courtside is, well, what Stephen A said, obviously was said publicly on a public forum, on TV, so he addressed it the exact same way, publicly, courtside in the middle of a game. Yes.
Yes. Now as, as, as a father, you know, and like Stephen, they said, he understood where LeBron was coming from.
Knowing Stephen, I think in, in the, the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today. I'm sure Stephen, a is going to respond to that because you need to think about anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer to whatever is being said.
That's just him. And it's always been him.
I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's not how this is going to go. The only thing I would have said with Stephen A, look, I know people are going to be like, man, LeBron should have stole on you.
LeBron should have did this. Man, they just talking.
Stephen A, man, you the same. I'm about to be 57.
You're about to be 58. That ain't even your MO.
You don't fight nobody. LeBron wasn't going to swing on you.
LeBron wasn't going to swing on you so there would have been no need for you to swing on him. I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talk.
Look, he said what he said. You seem to be receptive at the time of it.
You are seemingly you said you understood because he was speaking to you as a father and not LeBron James, the basketball player. And you seemingly you said you understood that.
Let it go. Now, let it go.
Now. Look, I mean, I had issues.
I remember I had a conversation with Kevin Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix. Uh-huh.
And I walked into the hotel. I was like, damn.
That's KG. And he said, oh, let me holler at you right quick.
I said, what's up? Okay. You know, I'm like, damn.
I ain't get get no dab no dab what what he said let me holler at you right

quick I said what's up bro he said

man what's it what it is you you you

got beef you don't like me or something

I said nah why you say that he said man

the way you talk I said KD bro I'm passionate I say any topic that we discuss on that show I'm very very passionate I've spent a lot of time researching it and I'm very very careful to what I say.

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KD, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I say, I don't know you personally.
All I talk about is what you do on the court. That's it.
Whatever you may or may not do off the court, I don't give a damn. Right.
I said, you can ask your mom. I've I've I've talked to your mom at nauseam.
Uh, uh, she used to come on the show. I've seen that event.
I said, Katie, you know, like a dislike. I said, I'm just passionate about topic, bro.
I said, I ain't got no, I don't dislike anybody. Cause I don't know anybody to dislike them.
It's not like, like me and Oakland. When, when, uh, I used to hang out with Oak.
Oh, used to workley? Charles Oakley used to run on the track with us. Oak used to come to the gym and work out with me.
Oak and I used to go out to Houston's. That was his favorite restaurant.
The N word always got the cheese toast. Me and Oak have a relationship.
I pick up the phone and call Oak. I say, I don't know any of these current that.
Right. I say, but I'm just passionate about topics.
I say, bro, I ain't no like or dislike. I say, but if I probably didn't let, if I didn't like you, you'd know it.
Right. He's all right.
He said, man, I just, he said, I just, you know, I said, cool, bro. I said, I ain't got no problem with you.
I said, anytime. He said, hey, here.
Give me your phone. We exchanged numbers.
Left it at that. He saw I was at the game last year.
A couple of years ago, I took my daughter to the first. Well, it might have been this year.
Nah, it was two years ago. But anyway.
Yeah. Talk to him on the bench.
I ain't got no problem with nobody, Ocho. And I'm not trying to go for bad or nothing like that.
But that ain't how I am. And I think when guys see me, they know I ain't all about that, man.
I'm just cool. I just want to vibe, have a good old time.
But like I said, I appreciate instead of him like, you know, be on Twitter and the internet trying to blow it up.

Hey, somebody got a problem with me?

Hey, come to me.

Just come to me. I ain't got no problem.
I talk to

anybody, anybody, anywhere

about anything. You got a problem with what

I said?

Why you said that?

This is why I said that.

Go ahead.

You know what I do like though?

I'm not sure how the people in the chat feel,

but I enjoy when you talk about Kevin Durant,

players of that magnitude, elite players.

I mean, obviously, we talk about one of the greatest scorers of all time.

I love the way Kevin Durant uses social media.

I love the way he's so accessible to the people to be the star that he is

with LeBron and allow himself to be vulnerable. What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before.
What he did on the Pat McAfee show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually just being vulnerable, talking about everything. I really, really enjoyed that because that's some from LeBron that we've never that obviously I've never seen before.
And I really, really enjoyed that. And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that.
Be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible. And I mean, it was just enjoyable.
It was enjoyable to see him outside that normal setting of not being viewed as the king, if that makes sense. Well, most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're only going to give you so much.
They're going to allow you to see so much of what they want you to see. If you look at all the great players, they've always been very, very guarded.
They're not going to totally let you inside, especially while they're a current player. The volume.

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