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Speaker 4 For the first time,

Speaker 4 he entered the game in the fourth quarter where he hadn't scored a field goal. He had three points.
If I'm not mistaken, I think he only had two points at the half. At the half.

Speaker 4 And he has a streak 18 years. He scored at least 10 points in every game for the last 18 years.
It's the longest consecutive streak. of double-digit games in NBA history.

Speaker 4 And he kept the streak alive because he was sensational. I think he scored 12 points in the fourth quarter, but none bigger than the tip in at the buzzer to give them the win.

Speaker 4 The Lakers beat the Pacers 120 to 119. Lakers had a 17-point lead.
They squandered that again. Oh, Joey.

Speaker 4 What quarter, huh? What quarter? Third, third.

Speaker 4 Every time.

Speaker 4 They gave up 37 points in the third quarter. Remember the other night, they gave up 34 points in the third quarter.
And it looked like they scored 60, a little over 60 points

Speaker 4 in the second half. And that'll get you beat.
And the Lakers are going to have to find out until it's important to them to take care of the basketball, to play better defense.

Speaker 4 They're going to find themselves in these kinds of games because they allow teams to hang around because they turn the ball over. When they can stretch and lead to 20, 22, 23.

Speaker 4 they turn the ball over in a couple of quick threes and now all of a sudden a 17-point game yeah is down under 10.

Speaker 4 but yeah when it mattered the most and that's what good players that's what great players do they can play bad, no matter the sport, OJo. They can play bad for a particular period of time.

Speaker 4 But when they absolutely have to have it, they can dig down. Now, a lot of times, you and I both played the game of football.

Speaker 4 Sometimes when things are not going our way, we'll allow it to creep in our game, creep into our minds, and it'll affect our overall play. Yes, sir.
I thought he rebounded the ball extremely well.

Speaker 4 He had 13 rebounds. He led the Lakers in rebounds.
He did a great job of facilitating, considering Luca is the primary ball handler now, let him assist with seven.

Speaker 4 But when he needed it, he dug down in the fourth quarter. He got it going.
He played primarily, had the ball in his hand while Luca was on the bench getting his wrist to start the fourth.

Speaker 4 He got his double digits, and then he turned it back over to Luca, and Luca got hot again down the stretch. I think Luca ended up with 34 points.

Speaker 4 AR, Austin Reeves had 24, but it was LeBron at the end of the ball game that got the tip in at the buzzer because this would have been heartbreaking. This would have been a gut-wrenching event.

Speaker 4 They would if they had lost this game. They would have.
Listen, they on the 0-3. They were on the 0-3 skid.
They're the 0-3 skid for one, like you said earlier.

Speaker 4 They can play in stretches in the game and get a lead, but because of lack of defense and always being effing beating transition, being lazy, turning the ball over, they allow teams to come back in.

Speaker 4 Teams that they should be dominating.

Speaker 4 Obviously, the game of basketball is about to get a game of runs, but still, you're playing the paces.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying the pacers are horribly sorry, but when it comes to the Lakers, if you're serious about not only making the playoffs or keeping the seed that you're in, this is a game that you're supposed to go in and dominate quarter by quarter.

Speaker 4 But yet again, in the third quarter, after having the lead they had, they almost squandered that. And then

Speaker 4 the Pacers ended up taking the lead, don't you? They swore the lead. The Pacers took the lead.
And then,

Speaker 4 I don't want to butcher his last name. Roy Rui Rui.
Rui Hachimura.

Speaker 4 Brother, Brother Hachimura, Hakatana, hit the two threes towards the end of the game.

Speaker 4 And LeBron had to come through in a magical moment. And the game, they should have lost, honestly.
Yeah. Honestly, they should have lost.
Hey, he owed him that one. LeBron owed him that one.

Speaker 4 He's in the locker room. So, hey, knowing LeBron, he probably locker room guy.
Like, hey, that was a big win, but I owe y'all. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, for that first half? For the game. Because I think, what, was he ended up 4-12?

Speaker 4 Yeah. So he was 3-11 before that tip in OHL.
So he ends up going 4-12. And he knows 0 of 7 from the 3.
He knows he didn't. His overall game.

Speaker 4 But the thing is about a great player, you find other ways to impact the game. Look at his defensive rebounding.
Look, I mean, look at his rebounding. Look at his assist,

Speaker 4 his assist. Let him in assist.
Let him in rebounds. But that's what great players do.
They find ways to impact the game. even though he wasn't scored.

Speaker 4 And a lot of times a score, when he's not scoring, no choice, he mopes, he pops, and all of a sudden it impacts other areas of the game.

Speaker 4 Can you impact the game when you're you're not doing what you normally do to impact the game? Find whether other ways to influence the game rebound the basketball. Can I facilitate?

Speaker 4 Can I play defense? Can I draw a charge or things of that nature? And I was very happy to see LeBron pull it out. Had a lot going on today.

Speaker 4 Luca, in the month of March, 31.4 points a game, eight and a half rebounds, 8.6 assists, 43 points. So basically, 44% from the three-point line on 11

Speaker 4 on 11

Speaker 4 attempts per game. He's on pace to be the youngest Laker to average 30 points in a single month since Kobe in 2003.

Speaker 4 Nah. Hey,

Speaker 4 I like the Lakers chance.

Speaker 4 I love all the mantras, all the quotes of Lakers in five, but I honestly think they need one more piece. As great as Hakatana's, as great as great as Hakatana Ruri is playing,

Speaker 4 they need something else huh another another score

Speaker 4 lebron has an off night then luca gives you what he does tonight he was kind of off and on but he still ended up with 34.

Speaker 4 but i think if they just had one more person they give him just a little bit more i know reeds is good i know rui can rui can score as well they just need one more one more piece of that puzzle well what they were hoping

Speaker 4 What they were hoping for that Alex Lynn could give them something. Now, I don't know what they seen from Alex Lynn since he's been in the league.
And and you don't like buddy man

Speaker 4 it's not about like or dislike oh joe i mean i think the chatters would agree they've watched him at many different stops i think he's been in washington i think he's been with the uh uh uh uh the sons he's been different places he's what he is

Speaker 4 yeah he's what he is right i don't care you take a grizzly bear out of the forest uh uh whether he in alaska or he's in canada or he's right it does not matter you take him out of that and you put him in a different environment.

Speaker 4 He's still a grizzly bear. Grizzly.
Okay. Yeah.
His instincts do not go away. Right.
Well, in other words, if he's sorry over here, what do you expect him to be over there? He'd be that.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's not like he was good at one point in time, Ocho, and you say, you know what? Hopefully he can summon that up again. But he has not been good at any stop.
He's tall.

Speaker 4 Now, a coaching is calling his name.

Speaker 4 It is what it is. And I'm just being factual.
They're not anybody else out there that can help a mocho. And the problem is, is that when Jackson Hayes goes to the bench, they are a small team.

Speaker 4 They don't have another big.

Speaker 4 LeBron got to go to the five. LeBron has to go to the five.
Or you bring in Dorian Phoenix Smith and he has to play the flat five. But they're a very, very small team.

Speaker 4 And that's the problem that you have because you're really not playing Jackson Hayes more than 25 minutes a night. Right.

Speaker 4 And he's a guy. And the thing that I love, I mean, you love and you hate is that you don't run plays for Jackson Hayes.
He's a lob guy. He gets off the rim.

Speaker 4 He gives you second chance opportunities, but he's not a guy that you can run to the part and say, hey, he's going to put, hey, put his back to the basket, throw it to a hand.

Speaker 4 He's going to do something with. That's not what he is.
That's not who he is. Right.
Now, I got a question now. Now, listen, you know, my knowledge of the game of basketball is a little limited.

Speaker 4 I'm getting better at it, though. Now, listen, if they got to go small, if they got to go small, shouldn't the Lakers at times, depending depending on who it is,

Speaker 4 be at an advantage when it comes to playing small and having to transition up and down the court as opposed to, you know.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if the other team goes small, but what happens when they got Jokic out there? What do you do?

Speaker 4 And that's the problem. Okay, let's just say you played Memphis.
Right. Memphis got Zach Eady, who's 7-3.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's not at clogging up space, though, huh?

Speaker 4 He's at clogging up space. He, he, he, he is, he's not advantageous on offense at all, or am I wrong? He's gonna give you, he's gonna give you extra possession because of rebounding.
Okay.

Speaker 4 And without rebounding, there are no rings without rebounding. Okay.
And that's that's the problem that the Lakers are gonna have.

Speaker 4 Even when LeBron goes, LeBron has an off mat, you still have AR and Luca that can carry the load. If Luca is struggling, LeBron and AR can carry the load.

Speaker 4 If AR is struggling, Luca and LeBron can still carry the load. So

Speaker 4 look, You got three guys that can score.

Speaker 4 AR is giving you like 20 a night. LeBron is giving you 25.
Luca is giving you 30. Right.
Okay. That's fine.
One of those guys struggling, the other guys can take over.

Speaker 4 Need a little bit better production consistently from the bench.

Speaker 4 You got some good minutes tonight, but

Speaker 4 JJ is just going to have to trust Dalton Connect.

Speaker 4 I think the thing is that he loses his weight sometime on the defensive end. And being around JJ, the little bit I had working with him at ESPN, he doesn't like that.
He likes students of the game.

Speaker 4 He likes smart. He likes smart guys.
Smart guys you can win with, even if they're not the most talented. Supremely talented guys that aren't bad, that doesn't have basketball IQ, get your ass beat.

Speaker 4 And that frustrates JJ because JJ wasn't the most talented, although he was a great player in college and a really good player in the NBA. He was very smart.

Speaker 4 He knew where it was supposed to be, when it was supposed to be there.

Speaker 4 boom so he could

Speaker 4 listen he did all the small things right very detailed yes very disciplined and when you're not

Speaker 4 supremely athletic oh cho you're not supremely athletic you're not six eight six nine you gotta do everything right or you don't have handles like a kairi you're not quick

Speaker 4 so what other way can i find a way to get on the court stay on the court and not cost my team uh right and if you look at it oh choose i think there's 10 games left And you look at three through eight, there's only four games difference.

Speaker 4 There's only four games difference. You're basically

Speaker 4 four games back.

Speaker 4 Denver Nuggets have the same win-loss record as the Lakers, and they're in the three seed. Lakers are four.

Speaker 4 Memphis is five. All of them have 28 losses.
And then you got the Clippers, Golden State with 31 losses, which are three games back. And you got Minnesota at 32 losses

Speaker 4 at a game back of them. So four games separate three through eight, and there's 10 games to go.
Right.

Speaker 4 10 games in a row. Excuse me.
10 games to go. So the rubber got to beat the roll.
Something got to give. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What's the highest seed? Or what do you think is preferable for you as a Laker fan for them? Well, I think the thing is that you want to get through.

Speaker 4 What would be easier for them, best case scenario, to be able to get out of the first round or at least have a chance getting to the second round? Have home court advantage. So

Speaker 4 you need to be one through four to have home court advantage. They're not going to get the one seed because

Speaker 4 OKC has run away with that. Right.
So the one seed is already etched in stone. Now,

Speaker 4 could they get the two seeds? Yeah, that's a possibility. They got the Rockets on the schedule.
They need to close out this road game strong and then go home and close out that homestead strong.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 4 I could see them three or four. Right.

Speaker 4 Three or four. So that means that they, if everything remains the same, that means they get Memphis in the first round.
Oh, what you got?

Speaker 4 What you like, what you like about that?

Speaker 4 Hey, just stay away from OKC. We need to get some rhythm before we see OKC.
We need some pressure to mount. Ain't no pressure in the first round.
They need pressure.

Speaker 4 So you're saying Memphis ain't no pressure? No, not for the Lakers. I like that matchup against Memphis.
But you know who Memphis got over there?

Speaker 4 Yeah, John.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I give you, I give you Ja. I'll give you a Luca.
Who you take it?

Speaker 4 Okay. I give you Jaw.
I'll give you LeBron. Who you take it?

Speaker 4 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 4 No. All right.
Now, they got Jaron Jackson, who's a DPOY play candidate who made the all-star game. Baynes has played well in the absence.

Speaker 4 Jaw is nursing a hamstring or something, but he's been up and down. Now, when he's been in,

Speaker 4 he's Ja. I mean, he's the second pick of the Jaffa.
He's been an all-star. So you know what he can do.
I mean, nobody's surprised.

Speaker 4 I mean, just to actually go to a game and watch him and to watch the way he elevate and the way he can contort his body. He's special.

Speaker 4 He's a guy that, you know, I pay my good money to go see because that's what he is. Look, I basically got if I pay him my money to come see him.

Speaker 4 If I ain't paying my money to come see you, I mean, I don't give a damn how many points you average. You're not interested.

Speaker 4 Jack got nothing to do with me. Ja's interested

Speaker 4 because he can finish above the rim, got a nice little float game, mid-range shot. He's gotten better at the shooting to set three,

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 he's fun to watch. I like that matchup.
Do I think they can beat anybody? Yes. In seven games, absolutely.
Because Luca and LeBron can both take over a game and give you 40.

Speaker 4 So those two guys. But the thing is, Hocho, in the playoffs, your three best guys need to be really good.
Two of the three need to be great damn near every single night.

Speaker 4 Now, if I'm getting 80 points, 60, if I'm getting 65 to 80 points from my big three,

Speaker 4 I'm gonna need the other, I'm gonna need the other six guys

Speaker 4 because you're not gonna go that deep. Playoff start, you might go nine.
As you go further, you reduce that. But I'm gonna need those other nine guys.

Speaker 4 If those three guys give me eight, I'm gonna need those other guys to give me 35. And they're gonna have to get a little bit more production from the bench.

Speaker 4 Gabe Benson is shooting the ball a little better penny smith is doing a little better but they got to make a decision what are we going to do with dawn connect because he can shoot the three but he gets lost he gets lost on defense and he gives up easy buckets

Speaker 4 and i don't know what i mean what something is being lost in translation oh joe he's a liability well all of look luke ain't playing no defense

Speaker 4 Austin Reed, bless his heart, ain't playing defense. LeBron can't sit in the chair no more.
LeBron is mainly a help side defender. He does use his body really well.
Guys try to go around him.

Speaker 4 He'll body him up because that's a big man to try to move. And so he slows him down like that.
But LeBron can't sit in the chair and no one expects him to, Ocho. He's 40.

Speaker 4 What guy you know played defense at 40? Kobe didn't. Jordan, I'm talking about historically great players.

Speaker 4 Even Pippin, that Pippin that didn't play till he was 40, he couldn't slide those feet like he could when he was in his prime. Right.

Speaker 4 We understand that because you and I talked about it the other night. The lateral quickness is what Lou you lose as he starts to age.
Oh, yeah. So, with that being said, Ocho, I like the Lakers.

Speaker 4 I believe they can beat anybody in the Western Conference. Yeah, it'll be a struggle.
Uh, uh, but OKC,

Speaker 4 you see that five.

Speaker 4 We still, we, we still, we're still winning the five.

Speaker 4 Uh,

Speaker 4 so you want to hold up, going to the next uh topic, Ash?

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Oh, Joe. Yo, I don't know if it was this morning or it was

Speaker 4 yesterday. I'm thinking it this morning.
What happened? LeBron went on the Pat McAfee show. Yeah, yeah, I saw that.
He had a lot to say today. Yeah,

Speaker 4 that was out of character to him. I've never seen him in that setting before and actually just talking freely like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 we're going to get to that in just a second

Speaker 4 while we wait for TJ to connect. But the Lakers, I'm looking at the Clippers.

Speaker 4 I think the thing is, OTO, you're trying to stay out of 7 through 10 because you don't want to play any more games than you have to. You won't rest.

Speaker 4 And it won't start until the

Speaker 4 7, 8, 9, 10 is determined to play and who's going to be 7, who's going to be 8

Speaker 4 to that determined. So you need rest.
LeBron James is 40. He's been playing.
He played, what, 38, 39 minutes tonight? So he's going to need rest.

Speaker 4 Any bumps and bruises, you want to try to get those guys as healthy as you possibly can. Now, the best thing about the playoffs, you don't play every other, you don't play in back-to-back.
Right.

Speaker 4 I mean, the first game you play, and then you might have a couple of days off, and then you get into the routine, you play it every other day. Okay, you can live with that, but you try to get LeBron.

Speaker 4 LeBron's going to need as much rest as he possibly can because he is 40.

Speaker 4 Here's what it is. And so

Speaker 4 once they determine who they're going to, once they are, if they can secure one of these top six seeds, you avoid the play-in.

Speaker 4 you get an opportunity get a couple days of rest and then hey right well the market spoil the game

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Speaker 4 Oh He joined us T T, what's up, T?

Speaker 4 TJ ain't no better than I am that working at technology. Hell, T.

Speaker 4 What'd you say?

Speaker 4 Can you hear us? Yeah, I can hear y'all. Oh, no, you can hear us.
Now, don't pretend like you can hear us all along.

Speaker 4 no i couldn't i ain't know what the hell man i ain't know what's up boy what's happening what's that hey i'm hey look hey t look i'm swole hey i see you got your little ass back in that weight room you need to get up yeah

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 listen up you got to get on that shannon shark player we love the computer hold on hold on hey i'm on i'm on the shannon shark man

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, slide, your boy, one of the things. Hey, I got you.
I got you. Hey, listen.
Listen, you put it under the tongue. Boy does want it.
Did you hear me?

Speaker 4 Hey, slide your boy, what? Let me. I got you.
I got you. I got you.
I got you.

Speaker 4 Look,

Speaker 4 how did I get involved in this? How did I get involved with this? Hey, TJ, let me ask you this. When you first met Hoosh, I mean,

Speaker 4 when you first met Ocho, what was your impression of this dude? Man.

Speaker 4 So we met in college.

Speaker 4 He was just real chill. Real, real chill.
Chad don't really talk no shit till it's like the competition start. Other than that, Chad chilling.
And then when the competition start,

Speaker 4 that's when all the shit. So, you know, I thought Chad was hella quiet.
And then we went to practice.

Speaker 4 I said, oh, shit, who is this?

Speaker 4 He was just a different guy.

Speaker 4 Who is this fool? Man, bring it up. Who is this fool exactly?

Speaker 4 Oh, them some good days, man. Them some good days.
Oh, them some good days.

Speaker 4 GJ, been knowing Chad since we was teenagers, basically. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's crazy.

Speaker 4 How many years has it been? Listen, my man.

Speaker 4 You're 46.

Speaker 4 If you were teenager, it'd be 28. Chad, that's damn near 30 years, bro.
Yes.

Speaker 4 Golly, boy. Hey, you know what's crazy, though, Chad? I was just telling somebody this.
No, we still look the same, boy. God done blessed us when we was.
Hey, yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, you know, you know, you know what they say? The black of the juice is sweeter than berry. Hey, Chad, God bless me.
Something like that.

Speaker 4 God said, that's my son. He hit us with that stick.
Yeah. Yeah, he did.
Yeah, he did. TJ, but he blessed you to keep your hair.
He didn't bless Ocho with that. Oh, wait.

Speaker 4 Hey, TJ, can you tell Uncle I can grow a full set of hair now? Chad, he always had a bald head. He ain't never had no.
He'll grow some hair here and there. He always had.
Yeah. See? See? Sporadic.

Speaker 4 is sporadic

Speaker 4 i know matter of fact tj ocho hair is kind of like my sex life sporadic

Speaker 4 no, you don't. No, don't, don't, don't do that.
You know, that ain't the truth, man. What if I ain't got no spark?

Speaker 4 Uh, the cut me out of my deal.

Speaker 4 I can't, I can't get no sparks because he ordered them all.

Speaker 4 Hey, I got, hey, I got about three boxes full. Logic boy, you, you always in LA.
You come to LA, you in and out. Holla at your boy.
Hey, matter of fact, I'm gonna be in LA.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna be in LA on the 30th. We gotta understand, these are prescribed specifically for me based on the questions I had to ask before I ordered them.
So they're prescribed to you.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm not sure if you would be able to use mine because mine is like putting 93 in your car. You hear me? Yeah, he got that high tip.
Oh,

Speaker 4 yeah,

Speaker 4 hey. Listen, I know.

Speaker 4 I know, Chad.

Speaker 4 I know. I know.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I know.
I know.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Y'all got that head hurting already.

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 TJ, you think the Bengal resigned T.

Speaker 4 We knew they were going to re-sign

Speaker 4 Chase. That was a no-brainer.
You're talking about one of the top three receivers in the league, and I'm not sure he's two or three.

Speaker 4 You make the case, it's easy to say he or Jeddah, based on the last three years, they're one, one A, one, whatever the case you want to go.

Speaker 4 Are you surprised that the Bengals were able to get a deal done with

Speaker 4 T? No, not at all.

Speaker 4 Who else earned it? Them two dudes earned it. When you go outside of Trey Hendrickson, nobody else on the team has earned that money.

Speaker 4 We knew they was going to pay Jamar. They always going to pay the best receiver in the quarterback.
They always going to do that. What shocked me, T,

Speaker 4 when he fired David Moore Logetta,

Speaker 4 he basically told the Bengals, I want to stay in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 I fired my agent because I want to stay here. Y'all make that happen.
He took a pay cut to stay in Cincinnati. Absolutely.
He really did.

Speaker 4 And so, no, it didn't surprise me, but shit, who else else earned it? Nobody else on that team earned it outside of Trey Hendrickson. So you got to pay somebody.
The Eagles paying everybody.

Speaker 4 The Bengals pay somebody. But T, this is what you got to think about.
When you think about the Eagles and

Speaker 4 what Lurie and Young Bull is over there doing,

Speaker 4 yeah, yeah, but the Rosemanth, they paying everybody a little bit early.

Speaker 4 They catching them early, but they're not paying top dollar axi for the players at a Pacific position. But the Bengals, we waiting on the back end.

Speaker 4 We waiting on the back end and forcing the players to bet on themselves. Chad, you ain't never.
So they could have had, they could have had Jamar, what, 35, 36?

Speaker 4 They could have had two years ago, two years ago.

Speaker 4 And they know this is the truth because I told them. They could have had T.
Higgins five years, $100 million. They said that was too much.
Right. And I know this because I told them this.
Right.

Speaker 4 And, but the Eagles,

Speaker 4 they paying AJ. A.J.
Brown got paid at the top. Devontae didn't get paid at the top.
Jalen Hurst got paid at the top. What organization you know signed a dude to a deal?

Speaker 4 He ball out and they say, you know what, man, you outplays your deal. We're going to give you another deal after one year.
The way they just did, Saquon Barkley gave 20 mil.

Speaker 4 Dude, I'm praying if I'm a rookie coming out that I get drafted to the Eagles the way they absolutely man. Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 4 Man, but they're also, you got to understand how special Saquon Barkley is. This is just not your average running back.
He was special in New York if they wouldn't pay him.

Speaker 4 Chad, you know, being special, when you're under that contract, they

Speaker 4 give you no more money dope right right

Speaker 4 but also but but look you got to understand the importance and value that he brought to that team in general some of the pressures that he took off jalen hurst throughout that season what he was able to do for them offensively actually getting him over the hump

Speaker 4 and getting to that and getting to that super bowl run so i understand it's especially everything he's been through the storyline in general that's one of the greatest stories right now giants we're gonna tag you because we don't really the giants we don't really value the position anymore.

Speaker 4 Giants are dumb. They should have got a

Speaker 4 Giants should have got a Super Bowl ring for how dumb they are, letting Saquon go to the field.

Speaker 4 They should have been given a Super Bowl ring. They're dumb.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, so listen, knowing the Bengals and understanding what we need, the way we look last year, how we finish,

Speaker 4 understanding what we need to do offensively, obviously, we need to start fast. But on the defensive side of the ball, what do you think we need to do come draft? What do we need most?

Speaker 4 We got to be able to stop the run.

Speaker 4 I believe Jenkins is to be his second year. If he's anything like this, Daddy, he's going to be better.
So yeah, your pops was a hell of a defensive tackle. He's going to be better.

Speaker 4 Just his bloodlines and a year of experience. We just going to have to draft well on defense, man.
We got to be able to draft well like we drafted Miles Murphy out of Clemson in the first round.

Speaker 4 He got to start playing like that now.

Speaker 4 Just going into his third year. He ain't playing like a first round draft.
He got to play like that.

Speaker 4 We need Cam Taylor Britt to play how he played in 2023.

Speaker 4 Jay Turner was playing well, then he got hurt. And so

Speaker 4 they can do it. It's just, they cannot miss.
We can't miss with draft picks on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 4 When you're going to pay the offense, you got to draft and develop on the defensive side of the ball. That's going to be the key.

Speaker 4 We got to make sure we get three starters out of this draft on defense. If you notice,

Speaker 4 wait, oh, wait, three stars that can come in and start right now? Right now.

Speaker 4 Right. Your first round pick, your second round pick, pick, and somebody else that that just surprises you, right? You're trying to get him.
What do you see from the Eagles? What do they get?

Speaker 4 Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter,

Speaker 4 Brother Michael,

Speaker 4 uh, DeJohn.

Speaker 4 You see what they did? Yeah, all on

Speaker 4 Nicobe Dean, all defense,

Speaker 4 all on defense because we're paying all the money: 55, 50 plus million for uh hurts. We got 33, 34 million, 33 million tied up in AJ.
We got 28 million tied up

Speaker 4 and Devontae. And we paid our entire offensive line, Lane Johnson, Dickerson, Marlotta.

Speaker 4 And we don't know.

Speaker 4 We got to hit it at the park on the defensive side of the joke because we can't pay top dollars. That's why they let those guys leave.

Speaker 4 Think about the guys that left, went to New England. One guy went to Arizona because we can't pay him.
Not Jalen Carter.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 about to get 40 he about to get 41 42 million yeah go ahead and get into it now before you have to pay him 50 million yeah hey hey hey t think think about how bad our defense was right and obviously they paid t they paid they paid burrow we paid chase what do you think about tray hendricks do do we pay trey henderson market value

Speaker 4 Or is he going to give him a home team discount? Nope, he not. We pay him market value, Chad, but what's market value?

Speaker 4 What's market value? I mean, he got 33, what, 36 sacks in the past two seasons? He got 35, 76 in the last two years. 35 sacks.

Speaker 4 This is what I'll say. I'm a pain, but I'm not making him one of the highest paid defensive players.
I'm not doing it. You can't.
Whoa, how are you not going to do that?

Speaker 4 Number one, number one, this is where

Speaker 4 we call this hustling backwards. I ain't holding out.
I'm trying to get money. I'm not going to hold out and lose money.
You do that. We hustling backwards now.
Right.

Speaker 4 He's not going to hold out.

Speaker 4 So I'm doing a solid. I'm giving.

Speaker 4 He's supposed to make $17 million, I believe, this year.

Speaker 4 If the Bengals would be fair, they bump him up to 28 to 30.

Speaker 4 30 would be the max that I would give him if I was the Bengal. We got to understand.
He's a hell of a player. He had five sacks against the Raiders.
Five sacks against the Raiders.

Speaker 4 And so he showed up big time the last game against the Steelers. You got three.
With him being 31,

Speaker 4 you can't give this man a four-year extension at 35 plus a year. I'd give him 28 to 30 million.
I believe the Bengals will do that.

Speaker 4 How much are you going to give him guaranteed? How much are you going to give him fully guaranteed? Because that's what I'm looking at. Damn them big ass numbers if they get paper.

Speaker 4 See, now, Shannon, you're talking. Now, now

Speaker 4 you're talking like that agent right there. Like, hey,

Speaker 4 I say,

Speaker 4 I say about uh, I'm going to give me 45 guaranteed.

Speaker 4 45 million guaranteed. That's about.

Speaker 4 I don't know if he's going to take that T. Higgins.
He ain't taking that T. No, no, no.
This is the thing, though. Because if you look at T.
Higgins' contract,

Speaker 4 if I'm guaranteed 30 in the first year, just say, just say 35 in the first year, 35 in the first year because you're Trey Hendrickson. And then I give you a $10 million roster bonus in the offseason.

Speaker 4 I'm not releasing you.

Speaker 4 Your base salary for that second season is pretty much guaranteed it's just not part of the fully guaranteed part of the contract so now your base salary is somewhere along 15 million that's 60 million dollars in two years you're gonna make

Speaker 4 and it ain't fully guaranteed but 15 of it is as long as you got that 10 million dollar roster bonus they're not gonna give you 10 million in offseason and release you yeah hey they say y'all did y'all see what they did to aaron rogers did y'all see what they did y'all see what they did to russell uh wilson they will release you hey even if you even if you got 30 plus Russell had 36 million guaranteed.

Speaker 4 You know what Russell Wilson did to himself when he was playing?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think, TJ, for me, I think he might be content if you fully guarantee the first two years at about $60 million,

Speaker 4 because you said that $30 million level,

Speaker 4 you're not trying to put him at

Speaker 4 $34 million. You're not trying to put him at Miles Garrett,

Speaker 4 which is $40 million. So I think two years at $60 million, the last three years is is going to be voidable, but he's gonna probably he's gonna want something, a big number to make a big splash.

Speaker 4 But I'm you're gonna probably have to give him uh 60 million fully guaranteed. Hey, this is the year, man.
We we got to do something. We got to do something.

Speaker 4 We got to play in the preseason because the last few years we ain't been playing in the preseason. Exactly.
And we start off, we start off slow.

Speaker 4 It kills us, bro. The first game of the season last year was: is Chase gonna play? Is he gonna? Oh shit, he gonna play.
He acted, and it used to the Patriots.

Speaker 4 And that now is a game that cost that would have got y'all in the playoffs and so but you know what

Speaker 4 we're talking about trey hendrickson but we saw pratt your outstanding linebacker that led him in tackles now you lost hubbard who retired uh uh hendrickson is upset because his contract pratt said y'all ain't got no money for me because y'all just played burns y'all played t y'all paid uh uh uh chase y'all ain't got no money for me and y'all need to pay hendrickson y'all need to let me go You can't keep losing any good defensive playoffs, TJ, and expect you to think you're going to win.

Speaker 4 You can't, Shannon, but I hate doing this, man. I hate doing this.
You know, we was

Speaker 4 and we were players.

Speaker 4 But if you played on that defense and you not Trey Hendrickson, what you want? What you want? What did you do during the season that says you deserve more money? I want more to seven million.

Speaker 4 Then you could have played like you wanted more than seven million. Damn, TJ.

Speaker 4 Damn, damn.

Speaker 4 I feel you talking about being on Joe. Look at TJ.

Speaker 4 TJ cutting them up.

Speaker 4 I'm saying, outside of Trey Hendrickson, who on that defense could literally say, I deserve a pay raise. Right.
Trey Hendrickson was the only one that showed up each and every game when he was needed.

Speaker 4 Now, Jermaine Pratt had some games, but he even had some plays where, ah, we needed that play. Ah, we needed that play.

Speaker 4 I mean, if you're a start line, if you start in any position in the league, we all know this, and you get enough opportunity, you're going to make enough plays.

Speaker 4 But what about the the plays you don't make? Right, right.

Speaker 4 When I look

Speaker 4 at you,

Speaker 4 I would get ready to say, obviously, you and I have been playing together since college. And I obviously,

Speaker 4 I view, and I've always said it before, I think Chase is probably to me the greatest banger receiver to you know, to ever dawn. Probably, you think, Chad, stop, stop, bro.
Wait, wait, let me finish.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, because that's not true. That's not true.
Isaac Curtis Hill, downtown Freddie Brown. No, that man right there with them lokes on is.

Speaker 4 Huh? Like, listen.

Speaker 4 I never won a triple crown. Listen, listen.

Speaker 4 Because you had me. Listen, though.

Speaker 4 And Chad knows this, Shannon.

Speaker 4 He knows what I'm about to say. Man, Chad's supposed to be in the Hall of Fame, man.
They fucking this boy over, man.

Speaker 4 Oh, I put on my own job. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Chad, Chad, you jumped. You know, I'm serious about this because I tell you this all the time.
Chad is the greatest receiver in Bengals history.

Speaker 4 Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to trying to equal or pass Chad, but where we sit right now, man, Chad is here. It's Chad.

Speaker 4 It's Chad. It's AJ Green.
It's Isaac Curtis.

Speaker 4 That's what it is to me.

Speaker 4 Now, Jamar Chase is on his way to getting there.

Speaker 4 But come on, Chad. You can't do it to yourself.

Speaker 4 You know how I tell you this all the time. Shannon, you in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 Let me give you my Hall of Fame criteria because for some odd reason, I think my criteria is the best and nobody listens to it. Okay.

Speaker 4 For a period of five years where you're a top five player at your position, if you got to think about it, you're not a Hall of Famer. I agree.
So

Speaker 4 now you go to 2002, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. That's seven years.
Seven of those years, Chad was top three in the league for five of them. He led the AFC five years in a row.

Speaker 4 How this man can't even be a finalist? Like that, that makes no sense. He was leading the AFC in the year he didn't lead it.
I did.

Speaker 4 I did.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 you tell me how he ain't in a hall, how he's not even a finalist, but you got dudes that wasn't even top five at their position. They getting in.

Speaker 4 But I was a villain. The villain, they never letting the villain in.

Speaker 4 They never, they listen, I understood that. Why do you think I donned the jacket in the first place? Because I understood the politics that came behind it.
To me, I don't like that.

Speaker 4 Listen, I don't like the business side of football. Remember, we talked about that the other day? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I talked about contracts, the reason why I played the game like a little kid, having fun and entertaining.

Speaker 4 Now, the flip side of things, okay, I know how y'all gonna play me.

Speaker 4 I chose not to conform. I'm playing the game the way I felt it should be played.
So, regardless of what my numbers would be, see, I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 You earned it. You weren't.
Yeah, but you worked.

Speaker 4 but you gotta you gotta play by their rules if you don't play by their rules they're not letting you in there you know how i feel about it you know i didn't get anybody

Speaker 4 now all the stuff that you was doing they can you can do now you don't even get fine for they owe you back pay

Speaker 4 yeah but here's the thing though ojo

Speaker 4 you had no off-field issues. Now, what happened was the thing that's going against you, and you still don't have this, is that they wanted to keep T.O.
out so bad, they changed it.

Speaker 4 they said anything that you did on the sidelines or in the locker room could be used against you where before they said even off field activities couldn't be held against the player that's how bad they wanted to keep to from being the first ballot on the favor yeah that was criminal that to the first

Speaker 4 and then they had the nerve then they had the nerve not to let him in the first year the second year no the first year and i and i think even though and y'all know how i feel about ta to i said he's the second greatest receiver to me.

Speaker 4 Some people push back and say it's Randy, but we know, I think, I think you and I, I think TJ and I are more aligned. I think Jerry is the greatest receiver and it ain't close.
That's my preaching.

Speaker 4 Now, TJ, you might have, you might say Randy, you might say T.O., but for me, I think those three are the top three receivers as we sit here and discuss it today.

Speaker 4 Now, Chase and Jetta and somebody down the line might have something to say about. But I sure hope I'm alive when I can see the receiver that say, hey, he's right there with Jerry.

Speaker 4 I want to be alive to see that receiver. That ain't going to never happen.

Speaker 4 Jerry Rice was getting 1,000 yards in year 20, bro.

Speaker 4 40 years old, got 1,200 yards.

Speaker 4 That's never going to happen.

Speaker 4 We'll never see somebody do what Jerry Rice has done. But Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, they on their way.

Speaker 4 But they got to make sure that they don't hit any bumps in a road because Odell Beckle was on his way as well.

Speaker 4 And when he hit those bumps in a road he could never recover from that and so i i just feel like chad is the best bingo receiver in the history of the team he knows that i know that now chase is on his way i just i tell chad this all the time because he never gonna say nothing about it man um

Speaker 4 It's just a crime that he can't be a Hall of Fame finalist when his game on the field, he earned that shit, bro. Spoke to that.
And that's one thing about Chad. Like

Speaker 4 when you talk about work hard

Speaker 4 well this

Speaker 4 dude is gonna run himself to death like

Speaker 4 we channel we was in year nine

Speaker 4 and we was taking all the scout team reps like we were still rookies every time every time every practice

Speaker 4 thursday friday we did all the offensive reps all the scout team reps I left the bingles and went to other teams. Them dudes is like, bro, chill the scout team.

Speaker 4 I just always have done it and so people don't realize like

Speaker 4 Chad work hard we similar paths we both went juco

Speaker 4 we both had like ain't no way they making it to the league oh shit they made it and to be successful I mean that right there within itself uh

Speaker 4 pat yourself on the back but yeah chad should be in the hall of fame man any chance I get I'm gonna say that because I know I know who the best receivers were and I'm not gonna put nobody down but some of these dudes, they're not better than him, and them dudes even know they're not better than him.

Speaker 4 Last season, you stepped up to help our rookie Jermaine Burton. We saw the struggles.
A lot of it played out publicly. Ocho say he's going to, he's going to try to intervene this year.

Speaker 4 We got two great bingo receivers that's trying to help the younger generation, like, bro. There's a lot.
There's a professional aspect of it, which is what you do. You're an NFL.

Speaker 4 That means you're a professional. And then there's a pro, P-R-O, which is the way you go about handling your business.
we need to get you to become a pro

Speaker 4 you know

Speaker 4 with jermaine

Speaker 4 like i i was talking to him a lot during the prior to the season starting because you know he was having problems prior to the season and right bingles knew that i was close with him so they they was reaching out to me before anything ever became public um certain games he wasn't even going to be active then they was they were letting me know the night before

Speaker 4 and so i'm giving main a call like bruh

Speaker 4 what's going on? Well, how are you doing? I'm going to just see if he gonna tell me what's going on before I got to ask him what's going on.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 he got all the talent in the world, but at some point,

Speaker 4 I can't want you to be what you don't want to be.

Speaker 4 Don't tell me what I tell my kids. I can't want it more than you want it for yourself.
She's going to have to figure that out.

Speaker 4 I just talked to him today.

Speaker 4 I just talked to him today.

Speaker 4 And to me, it ain't about anything physical on the field. He got to make sure mentally and off the field, he ready to go because the league going to move on.
He got one more strike.

Speaker 4 They're going to move on without him. It don't matter who you are, man.
It's NFL. This thing is going to keep rolling with you or without you.

Speaker 4 You're going to hop on the train and roll with us or you're going to get your ass rolled over and get left behind. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I hope. He figured it out, man, because he's so talented.
He comes from a background where he can really change his family's fortune. And I'm going to do all I can.
Chad, know me, I'm going to talk.

Speaker 4 So I'm going to help him as much as I can, but ultimately, I can't want him more than you want him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, man, listen,

Speaker 4 I don't know Brother Burton like that. Obviously, when I go to the stadium, when I do have my times and chances where I'm at the field, you know,

Speaker 4 I don't want to do that, be that father figure.

Speaker 4 I don't want to be that guy because when I was playing, the people people come in, I wasn't trying to hear that stuff from them, so I just talked straight to the football.

Speaker 4 When you out here, you're going to pull up to the training. That's that's what you're going to do.
You're going to pull up to the training. Okay.
Oh, I'm going to bring McClees too.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know if you

Speaker 4 got to tell the TJ, tell me to let it go, TJ. Hey,

Speaker 4 hey, what? Hey, hey, man, it's just different, Chad. Hey,

Speaker 4 hey, right now, like, I lightweight hurt myself thinking I could

Speaker 4 and your mind say, I got this. As soon as you get on that field, boy, your body be like, boy, you better sit your ass right on down.

Speaker 4 I'm in shape. There's a reason why we hung them cleats up, TJ.
Hey, we can, we looked apart, but I don't know if we are the part.

Speaker 4 It's that lateral. And I keep trying to tell Ocho, yes, Ocho.
Could you run straight ahead? Yes.

Speaker 4 It ain't no. It is that.

Speaker 4 See, Chad might be the only, I'll get him now. Chad's lateral movement was

Speaker 4 that it's out of this world. That's one thing.

Speaker 4 Chad was so quick. Even if he lose quickness, he's about what everybody else is now.

Speaker 4 See,

Speaker 4 I told you. But here's the thing, though, TJ.
Even though he might be what because his quickness is because he's so light. See, you and I like to play through contact.
We wanted somebody to find

Speaker 4 somebody to be up there, Ocho. Yeah, I'll be the TJ, so we can snatch a pull or rip through the ass.
Yeah, him at 185. Hit lateral quickness right there.
Better shove his ass up under the bank.

Speaker 4 Hey, Shannon, you probably giving Chad about five pounds. Chad probably about 180 right now.
Right now, I'm 205. Yeah, you are damn lie.

Speaker 4 Hey, Chad.

Speaker 4 You got a big bicep. You got a big chest.
You got big calves.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's it. He ain't got no leg.
But all you weight is the weight is from waist down. That's what that's what.
That's what a weight is on Joe.

Speaker 4 hey you know what promise primer say prime primer say the horses ain't got no big legs neither you see how they run hey

Speaker 4 yeah the fairbrands

Speaker 4 look at look how scared their ankles are now climbs down got them big ass legs and they moving nothing they're pulling stuff yeah cloud horse and a race horse

Speaker 4 but let me hey tj who you got because we know we got this fight coming up this year ocho versus James Harrison in LA.

Speaker 4 Listen, man, Chad, my dog, bro.

Speaker 4 What kind of is it? At AT, don't say nothing wrong. Don't say nothing.
What kind of fight is it?

Speaker 4 Don't say nothing wrong. Is it just fine?

Speaker 4 Emmy or me. Chad, don't do the MMA, bro.
I love you, dog. Chad, so who side you on? You not on my side, Chad.
Listen to what I'm saying, bro. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 4 Are you on my side?

Speaker 4 Your eyes, bro. Take the looks off,

Speaker 4 Chad.

Speaker 4 Boxing, I got you.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 MMA, man. What? That motherfucker.

Speaker 4 James Harrison is going to grab you and me

Speaker 4 at the same time. Boy, you know how strong James Harrison is?

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Speaker 4 Hey, I don't care nothing about strength, boy. You know how strong.

Speaker 4 If he can wrestle, you do.

Speaker 4 Huh? If he can grab you, you do.

Speaker 4 He's not going to be able to grab me. T he's not going to be able to grab me, T.

Speaker 4 I'm going to play with him, T. Listen to me.
I'm going to toy with him. i'm gonna toy with him in the octagon listen i'm gonna hit him at will when i want to t i'm gonna be jabbing him

Speaker 4 jabbing

Speaker 4 hey i'm gonna bounce around i'm gonna move around t hey hey watch out yo watch out and listen i'm gonna tell you let me listen i got you

Speaker 4 i can't do it let me tell you let me tell you you got you need to have faith in a mustard seed i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna do it I'm gonna choke him out with a guillotine and I'm gonna run straight to you and jump in your arms.

Speaker 4 Hey, man.

Speaker 4 old this is the old pride fight no weight clash this pride fight yeah

Speaker 4 yeah yeah back in the day back in the day back in the 60s now the boxing thing

Speaker 4 you because he got all that muscle he's gonna be tired fast if it's just well what you think what you think gonna be an octagon team because he gonna shoot and take you down He can't shoot.

Speaker 4 You can't shoot. I'm finna keep him.
I'm gonna keep him at this. You gotta get close enough to throw a punch.
Yes.

Speaker 4 I'm like, how do you get that point? How you get that point

Speaker 4 easy what you mean i'm a gazelle punching

Speaker 4 hey hey man i just hope james harrison man james if you watching have mercy on my boy man straight hey james if you watching i'm a punch you got a punchable face

Speaker 4 see tj what you just started

Speaker 4 What month is the fight?

Speaker 4 Whatever month you wanted to be. I was hoping somewhere around August or September.

Speaker 4 i thought i was doing a super bowl you wanted oh so you wanted to be super bowl in san francisco next year yeah so i so so all the former current players could be there to see him get his ass whooped well what about our show

Speaker 4 he's saying we can do it the night you ain't gonna be able to do it that's what he said yeah hey that that that'd be perfect too we can have a fight before the show not the same day i'm saying like a few days before oh lord have mercy You got to remember, Super Bowl is seven day, seven day, a seven day event, seven days.

Speaker 4 So we could we can schedule it oh i bet i bet he i bet you ain't heard from because i told him to say send the contract

Speaker 4 so we have so we'll have a fight that friday night we'll do our show that thursday night bingo

Speaker 4 man yeah they just paying off back in the uh 40s and 50s man just paying off

Speaker 4 hey pampa take a dive like harlem night hey pam take a dive man

Speaker 4 Hey, listen, I'm not doing it. I got too much pride, T.
If it's possible.

Speaker 4 I got to listen.

Speaker 4 I got to show the world we got to learn to stand up the bullies. If it's boxed.
We got to learn to stand up the people that's bigger than us and

Speaker 4 stop looking at people that have size and strength and allowing that to intimidate us. Oh, you know, I ain't scared.
If it's boxing. So remember, remember the story.

Speaker 4 Remember the story of David and Goliath, right?

Speaker 4 Same thing.

Speaker 4 That's what it's going to be. All right.
I'm with you. It's going to play.

Speaker 4 It's going to play out in real life. That's all I got to say.
No, I'm with you. I just, I'm advising you.
Make sure it's just hands only, just these, just these. Hey,

Speaker 4 hey, T,

Speaker 4 I got the quickest feet in the world. You know, they used to call me Luke Kane back in high school.

Speaker 4 Remember, Mortal Kombat, Luke Kane.

Speaker 4 That man get his hands on you, OJo.

Speaker 4 Hey, uh, that's the same thing as to say on Sundays. If they get their hands on me, and only one person was able to do it.
Who that?

Speaker 4 Revis. You just got, you know, you was, see, when Revis did that,

Speaker 4 you was one foot in, one foot out. You went all the way in.
You went all the way in.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, I sure hope he's all the way in when he fight James.

Speaker 4 Yeah, or he'll be, or he'll be all, he'll be all both feet out. Hey, I've been working on my wrestling techniques too.
Oh, Lord. See, what you said, TJ, this man talking about he gonna wrestle.

Speaker 4 Hey, man. No, I'm talking about in the third round.
He gonna be tired. It ain't gonna get to the third run.
You better go get with one of them Gracies

Speaker 4 and get on some jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So that when he, when he grabbed you, you wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on, I'm a black belt TJ, what you talking about

Speaker 4 nah, that's her man's that ain't no that ain't no jiu-jitsu belt.

Speaker 4 Hey, you better go get one of them Gracies, somebody teach you some jiu-jitsu when he grab you, you got him. That's your fact.
You're ready.

Speaker 4 Pay John Jones to teach you. You go to New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico.
That's what John, that's what he trained out of. Go to Mexico for like a month.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'm ready, man.

Speaker 4 man yeah the fact that y'all don't believe me that that kind of hurt man chat that man hey wrestling that's all the big dudes do that's all they're gonna do hey hey wrestling fighting i don't make it don't matter what it anything combat sports he's going to be tired in 20 seconds because the first thing he's going to do is ah

Speaker 4 done gassed okay hey it don't take much energy to grab somebody that can't get away you do realize that man played in the nfl so he did he rushed the quarterback But you know, when they were going on no huddle, he was still rushing the quarterback.

Speaker 4 Okay. I'm just this lady.

Speaker 4 All right. I just let you know.

Speaker 4 I tell you what, I done done enough talking tonight. I can show you, but then I can tell you.
Okay. All right.
TJ, man, thanks for joining us, man. We got to get you to come back on on the rag, bro.

Speaker 4 Man, y'all got to holler at your boy. Hey, Boo Smubble, man.
Let me get that chirp, man. I see they both got the Boo Smubble in the background.

Speaker 4 Appreciate that. All the best.
TJ,

Speaker 4 man. Thanks for joining us tonight.
For sure.

Speaker 4 Yo. TJ Huzmanzato, former bingo great.

Speaker 4 Ocho's teammate in college and in the NFL.

Speaker 4 Ocho. Now, LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today, nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen A.
at a basketball game.

Speaker 4 LeBron broke his silence on the incidence, referring to the fallout as a Taylor Swift tour run for Stephen A. The B started.

Speaker 4 Excuse me. Over comments Stephen A.
made regarding Bronnie. I initially wasn't going to say anything.
I wasn't going to to talk about it.

Speaker 4 We didn't talk about it.

Speaker 4 Y'all didn't hear anything from me for about the episode for three weeks ago, but now LeBron has went on P-Mac and we have to talk about it.

Speaker 4 Now, LeBron said he hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A has reacted to the situation. He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now.

Speaker 4 It started off with, I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out,

Speaker 4 I feel. This is LeBron talking.
I need to address it. He completely missed the whole point.
The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not

Speaker 4 allow people to talk about a sport and criticize players about what they do. This is your job to criticize or to a position where there's a guy's not performing.

Speaker 4 You know, that's all a part of the game. But when you take it and you get personal with it,

Speaker 4 it's not my job to not only protect my damn household, but protect the players. He's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it because I know he's going to be happy as hell.

Speaker 4 Me,

Speaker 4 I wish Stephen A would just left it alone. Once he addressed it, once it happened, the first time,

Speaker 4 address it, this is what happened. He came over to me, said what he said.

Speaker 4 I want to address it now, and I'm going to be done with it. Right.
Because as my grandma used to say, boy, stirring up old-ish, it still smells.

Speaker 4 So every time, every time Stephen A talks about it,

Speaker 4 it stirs it it up again.

Speaker 4 And look,

Speaker 4 I see both sides of the equation.

Speaker 4 But Stephen A just needs to let it go. He needs to let it go.
And now you're like, well, if he'd hit it, I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you.

Speaker 4 LeBron was coming to tell you, bro, just stop talking about my son. He said, because you said, oh, as a father, now you're making it personal.

Speaker 4 You're making it personal because now you're making it seems, and this is how LeBron, I think, took it.

Speaker 4 You making it seem that I'm not a good father, that I'm not putting myself in, putting my son in the position

Speaker 4 to be successful.

Speaker 4 And so, you're like, you're pushing this. And so, LeBron took it a certain way.

Speaker 4 And, am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly? Because LeBron is a very private person. Yeah, so he might have an issue with someone, and you will never know it.

Speaker 4 You'll never know it. Yeah.
You will never know it. So, and so for him to do that at a game, and it wasn't after the game, it wasn't before the game, it was the third quarter during the timeout,

Speaker 4 let you know how upset he was at Stephen A. and what Stephen A had been saying.
But at this point in time,

Speaker 4 I understand LeBron. They asked LeBron about this, but if I'm Stephen A,

Speaker 4 hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He said what he said.
I understood his point. I said what I said.
Now it's time to move on.

Speaker 4 Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court. But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it ad nauseum.

Speaker 4 I feel we've talked about it enough. And now it's time to move on.

Speaker 4 That's what I wish Stephen A would do. But like he said, I mean, look, I get it.
That's LeBron James. It's the biggest name in pro-North American sport.

Speaker 4 And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click. and hear what you have to say about him.

Speaker 4 But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a little bit, I don't know him as well as a lot of people do right that man loves his family he's gonna protect his family now always always and i think i think when you think about it and you go back to the way things things happen with lebron actually addressing stephen a courtside is well what what stephen a said obviously was said publicly on a public on a on a public forum on tv so he addressed it the same the exact same way publicly courtside in the middle of a game yes yes now as as as a father, you know, and like Stephen A.

Speaker 4 said, he understood where LeBron was coming from.

Speaker 4 Knowing Stephen A, I think in

Speaker 4 the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today. I'm sure Stephen A.

Speaker 4 is going to respond to that because you need to think about anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer.

Speaker 4 to whatever is being said. That's just him.
And it's always been him.

Speaker 4 I know you would like him to leave it alone, but I don't think that's that that's not how this gonna go the only thing i would have said with stephen a look i know people are gonna like man lebron should have stole on you lebron should have did this man they just talking stephen a man you say man you're about to be 57 you about to be 58.

Speaker 4 bro you that eating that eating your emo right

Speaker 4 nobody i don't think lebron wasn't gonna swing on you and you wasn't gonna and

Speaker 4 he lebron wasn't gonna swing on you so there would have been no need for you to swing on him i'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talked look he said what he said.

Speaker 4 You seemed to be receptive at the time of it. You are seemingly, you said you understood because he was speaking to you as a father and not LeBron James, the basketball player.

Speaker 4 And you seemingly, you said you understood that. Let it go now.
Let it go now. Look, I

Speaker 4 mean, I've had issues. I remember I had a conversation with Kevin Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix.

Speaker 4 And I walked into the hotel. I was like, damn, that's KG.

Speaker 4 And he said, oh, let me holler at you right quick.

Speaker 4 I said, what's up? Okay. You know,

Speaker 4 I'm like, damn, I ain't get no dab, no dab, what? He said, let me holler at you right quick. I said, what's up, bro? He said, man, what's it? What it is?

Speaker 4 You got beef with me. You don't like me or something? I said, no, why you say that? He said, man, the way you talk.
I said, KD, bro, I'm passionate. I say, any topic that we discuss on that show.

Speaker 4 I'm very, very passionate. I've spent a lot of time researching it and I'm very, very careful to what I say.
I said, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I said, I don't know you personally.

Speaker 4 All I talk about is what you do on the court. That's it.
Whatever you may or may not do off the court, I don't give a damn. Right.
I said,

Speaker 4 you can ask your mom. I've had, I've talked to your mom ad nauseum or Houston come on the show.
I've seen that event. I said, KD, it ain't no like or dislike.

Speaker 4 I said, I'm just passionate about topic, bro. I said, I ain't got no, I don't dislike anybody because I don't know anybody to dislike them.

Speaker 4 It's not like, like me and Oak, when, when, uh, I used to hang out with Oak. Oak used to work out.

Speaker 4 Charles Oakley used to run on the track with us. Oak used to come to the gym and work out with me.
Oak and I used to go out to Houston's.

Speaker 4 That was his favorite restaurant. The N-word always got the cheese toast.

Speaker 4 Me and Oak

Speaker 4 have a relationship. I picked up the phone and called Oak.
I say, I don't know any of these current players like that.

Speaker 4 I said, but I'm just passionate about topics. I say, bro, I ain't no like or dislike.
I said, but if I probably didn't, if I didn't like you, you know it. Right.

Speaker 4 He said, all right. He said, man, I just, he said, I just, you know, I said, cool, bro.
I said, I ain't got no problem with you. I said, anytime.
Hey, he said, hey, here,

Speaker 4 give me your phone.

Speaker 4 We exchanged numbers, left it at that. He saw I was at the game the other, uh,

Speaker 4 last year, a couple of years ago, I took my daughter to the first.

Speaker 4 Well, it might have been this.

Speaker 4 No, it was two years ago. But anyway, yeah.
had to talk to, hey, talk to him on the bench and laugh and talk. I ain't got no problem with nobody with y'all.

Speaker 4 And I'm not trying to go for bad or nothing like that.

Speaker 4 But that ain't how I am.

Speaker 4 And guys, I think when guys see me, they know I ain't all about that, man. I'm just, I'm just cool.
I just want to vibe, have a good old time. But like I said,

Speaker 4 I appreciate instead of him like, you know, we on Twitter and

Speaker 4 the internet trying to blow it up. Hey, somebody got a problem with me? Hey, come to me.
Right. Just come to me.
I ain't got no problem. I talk to anybody, anybody, anywhere about anything.

Speaker 4 You got a problem with what I said?

Speaker 4 Why you said that? Sean, why you said that? Right.

Speaker 4 This is why I said that. Go ahead.
Right. And you know what? I do like, though.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure how the people, I'm not sure how the people in the chat feel, but I enjoy when you talk about Kevin Durant, players of that magnitude, elite players.

Speaker 4 I mean, obviously, we talk about one of the greatest scorers of all time. I love the way Kevin Durant uses social media.

Speaker 4 I I love the way he's so accessible to the people to be the star that he is with LeBron and allow himself to be vulnerable. What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before.

Speaker 4 What he did on the Pat McIndy show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually just being vulnerable, talking about everything, I really, really enjoyed that because there's some from LeBron that we've never, that obviously I've never seen before.

Speaker 4 And I really, really enjoyed that. And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that.

Speaker 4 Be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible and um i mean it would be just enjoyable it was enjoyable to see him outside that that normal setting of of not being

Speaker 4 not being viewed as the king

Speaker 4 if that makes sense well most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're going to they're going to only gonna give you so much they're gonna allow you to see so much of what they want you to see if you look at all the great players they've always been very very guarded they're not gonna totally let you inside, especially while they're a current player.

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