Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders talks Draft criticism + Vikings move forward with McCarthy

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Bucky asked your door about the draft process so far. Also about what's essential, what he's essentially been a smear campaign against him.
His answer is what you expect from time. Son is definitely a learning experience.
There are a lot of things that aren't in your control and just getting the knowledge from your dad and you're just a coach, family, friends, and everybody,, you know that supporting me and helping me through this process is extremely

important. And I'm thankful that I have those resources.
We always understood block out the noise, even from Jackson state and Colorado. It's a lot of critics.
It's a lot of hate, but we know what to do. We know how to handle that in every way.
So we remain happy. what do you what do you take away from what

Shador spoke to Bucky Brooks about today? Prime has prepared Shador for this day for a very long time, huh? And he had the right person on his corner who also had to endure the same type of negative negativity in general from the media based on his style of play, the way he approached the game, things that had nothing to do with his play would always use it against him. Shadour understands that.
He should understand that because everything he's talking about has nothing to do with the game of football. It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State.
It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Colorado.

Despite the obstacles he had to overcome.

Despite having, you know,

inadequate play at the O-line,

still being able to complete 70% of his passes.

They don't talk about none of that.

They talk about the way an individual carries himself.

His swag.

The way he talks. Not about being in trouble.
Nothing is talking about that. Ridiculous stuff.
Oh, showing off the watch. I mean, so what? It's all about having confidence.
It's all about having belief. That's what it takes to play at the next level.
And be successful. The fact that they use it as a negative says more about them than it does Shadur.
And I hope he never changes. And he continues to have success in all that he does.
Wherever he goes, you want to get a player like that that's going to change your franchise around. When someone comes out and says, I want

someone to draft me

that wants a player that's

going to change their franchise.

That's something you want in a

quarterback. I know

it's frowned upon a little bit to have one that's

as brash and as vocal as that.

But if you look at the

film, you turn the film on, you

know what you get. It shouldn't be no problems at all yeah i'm sure time prepared him for this his dad prepared him for this he's been at this his dad has been at this for a very long time he's been in the spotlight since his days at florida state so he understands that there's a certain level of criticism that comes along with being the guy, with being a good, great football player.
He understands that. Also, it comes along with being a quarterback.
And yeah, the objective is, I think the thing is, Ochoa, a lot of times they try to tell you what you can't do, but they never want to emphasize what you can do. Bring me a guy and tell me, hey, what can he do? Because I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do.
do that's my job as a coach is to not put him in a situation where he can't succeed okay you said he's not good on read option okay why would I run the zone read if that's not what he's good at I'm trying to put my players in a situation where they can succeed that's what a coach's job is is to put a guy in a position where he can succeed and get more out of him than the player thought he can get out of himself. Yeah.
It's going to be this. I'm glad that, you know, he's doing a great job, as good a job, but he's not a robot, Joe.
He sees this thing. I mean, he's on social media.
He hears these things. He's not a robot.

He has feelings.

He has emotions.

And so no matter how much you're like,

oh,

no,

eventually,

yeah,

you hear it.

You hear all the negativity that,

that what they're saying.

Um,

man,

it doesn't,

it doesn't make it any easier.

Now,

your dad can tell you like,

Hey,

son,

this is blah,

blah,

blah,

but it doesn't make it easier. Oh, Joe, I ain't trying to hear that.
This supposed to be one of the, look, if Chudor is what we think he is and can become the player that we think he can, all that noise, that's all it is. It's just noise.
It should have no impact. What somebody says about you and his dad says, what you say about me is not what I think of myself.
Absolutely. I just hope he has the mental fortitude not to let it bother him.
The fact that he's already been through it for so long and he has prime as his father, I don't think it will. Because I know a lot of people when it comes to the media and the media jumps on you and they talk about you.
Sometimes it gets to certain people. But I think I think it was built different.
Prime has been built different. So I think he has a great understanding to ignore the blocking noise out.
And when his time comes in April, wherever he goes, he shows up and shows the you know what out.'m excited for him, man. The Vikings are set to roll with J.J.
McCarthy. Thank you.
Not pursue Aaron Rodgers. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for J.J.
McCarthy, telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback. The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time.
McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1. That's a good thing.
That's a good thing. And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his past, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past.
The whole team's steadily at hostage. Now, some of the reports...
He ain't holding him hostage. Move on.
They're allowing him. Just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did, the Jets allowed...
Green Bay allowed it. The Jets allowed it.
Just move on. That's exactly what they should do.
Now, this is what I like about Minnesota. The reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt for trading for him.
what they did right away, it ain't even been two days. Oh, we gonna nix that real quick.
We don't have time to play them games with you. So obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to because now here you go to the other team, you're not sure on what you want to do yet.
Having them wait, using the leverage that you do have, the little bit of leverage you still have to play play games. I'm glad the Minnesota Vikings came out and said what they said.
They're going forward with J.J. McCarthy because you drafted him for a reason and you understand what he can do, especially with the supporting cast he has around him because you saw what Sam Darnold was able to do.
He wasn't able to do it with the Jets. He wasn't able to do it with the Panthers.
But all of a sudden, he comes to Minnesota and he has a career year. And now it's time for J.J.
McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing. And that's what he's probably going to do, because what he has around him is very, very special.
Yeah, well, you got to find out if the guy can play or not, Ocho. I mean, you keep kicking the can down the road.
Yeah, but listen, even if he couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Darnold would play either when he was with the Jets. We didn't think he could play when he was with the Panthers.
But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota. But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season.
Because see, there's this thing called expectations. Yeah.
You tell me, because think about what you just said. You didn't think Sam Darnold was going to do that.
Nobody thought Sam Darnold was going to do that until expectations came along. And then expectations came along.
Oh, we got to get the number one seed. And then what happened? Oh, we're in the playoffs.
Then what happened? He turned back into Sam Darnold. You see, expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams.
Yeah. Because the moment someone expects something of, see, that's the only way you can hurt me, Ocho.
if I don't expect anything if I'm in a relationship and I'm just

casually I don't Because the moment someone expects something of, see, that's the only way you could hurt me, Ocho.

If I don't expect anything,

if I'm in a relationship and I'm just casually,

I don't expect nothing.

Hey, you do you, I'm going to do me.

It's the moment we have expectations in each other

that it bothers me, that it hurts me

if you do something that I don't agree with.

See what I mean?

So the Vikings started to have expectations.

We started to have expectations for Sam Darnold. And you see what happened? Now, you was preaching a little too fast.
Now, I'm not sure the people in the chat didn't catch that, but that was a moment. That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football, but that's something that could apply to life that I think a lot of people missed, but I didn't miss it because as soon as I heard it, you know, I keep that thing on me.
Yeah, you keep it on your... Expectation.
Now, bring that to me again. I got to write it down.
Now, when it gets to the end of the year, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take all these quotes that I wrote down and I'm going to make a nightcap booklet called Honk's Quotes so that people can apply it to life. Expectations.

Just get to know.

Yeah, it's the number one killer of dreams and goals.

Because here's the thing, Ocho.

Sam Darnold, nobody because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets.

Well, he was terrible with Carolina.

Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at San Fran.

So everybody was expecting, remember the last two stops that they saw him that he wasn't that good. Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations.
The more you win, the more expectations come along with that. So now the last couple of games of the season, okay, we got an opportunity to get the number one seed.
Right.

Boom.

Oh, we're in the playoffs now.

Don't matter.

Blah, blah, blah.

Mm-hmm.

Boom.

Yeah.

And you know,

that playoff atmosphere is different now.

That's a whole different

ballgame than playing

in the regular season.

Regular season,

he looked phenomenal.

It's the type of pressure,

again,

the one word, expectation, that comes with being the quarterback. Especially in that type of situation.
So I kind of understand in the team you are playing or had to play. Yeah, but that's what happens when you have expectations like I said and I like to equate things

to relationships because most of the people especially

in our chat has been in a relationship

it's the moment you have expectations

you see when a couple's in a marriage

there's an expectation

you're going to be faithful

I'm going to be faithful

I'm going to protect you you're going to protect me

I'm going to honor the vows that we stood before God and we swore to each other. Now, I have that expectation.
But hey, if you say, hey, what you doing tonight? I ain't going to be able to see you tonight. And everybody, there's no expectations.
I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me.
I see you when I see you. Holler when I holler.
And you know what I don't like about the analogy and explanation that you're giving me right now? If the marriage one normally doesn't work, but the one where there's no expectations, hell, you'd be friends, you'd be sneaky links, or whatever you want to call it, for years and years and years and years all the way down the line because there are no expectations

so there's no failure

or reason for anything to ever

end. But here's

the sneaky part of Ocho where they get you.

You see

the number one

the number one cause that

will cause a relationship to end

is uncommunicated

expectations.

You see Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them. Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? You expected her, she expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation.
Right. You didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation.
Uncommunicated expectations. Ocho thought, did you know what? Hey, she gonna do this thing for Father's Day.
We gonna do it up, blah, blah, blah. She didn't do it.
You see, uncommunicated expectations, but again, uncommunicated, but what's the end part? Expectations. I like that.
I haven't heard that. I haven't even heard that word before.
Not used, not used in this context and actually used together uncommunicated expectations. Yes.

I like that. You see,

she has an expectation, but she didn't communicate them with you. Right.

You have an expectation, but you didn't

communicate them with her.

So those uncommunicated expectations

and what happens, a lot of times

people have what we call

implosive personalities.

They hold things, hold things,

hold things. There's only so

much you can hold

Thank you. people have what we call implosive personalities.
They hold things, hold things, hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes.
The term, oh, you went postal. Yeah.
Boom. And so now, instead of just saying, well, you know, Chad, I thought that we were going to do this.
Right. No.
One month go by. Two months go by.

Three months go by.

Four months go by.

And it's building.

Wait, what?

You don't know.

It's not been communicated.

So you don't know.

It's building.

It's building.

It's building.

Boom.

Then it blows.

Yeah.

You been with me all this time?

You should have known.

You see?

How many times have you heard that, Ocho?

All the time.

You know what I like?

Yeah.

All the time.

Thank you. But all of a sudden when it comes to certain stuff, oh, you didn't want to let me know.
I didn't know you wanted that. I didn't know you wanted.
Oh, you can't read my mind? I threw you hints. I gave you a sign a few, I gave you a sign a few weeks ago.
A sign? Yeah. What? Yeah.
In the commercial. I mentioned it when it came on TV.
Yeah. I missed the sign that God gave me, too.
You should have told me. You should have said, I missed the sign that God gave me.
I should have left your ass alone about six months ago. I missed that sign.
But that's the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes we take for granted and you've been in a relationship.
Just tell me. Yeah.
one of these guys, Ocho. Just tell me.
If you want to do something, tell me. I don't have time.
I got too much ish on my plate to try to figure out what you want. You can just open your mouth and say, if you want to go here, say that.
If you want to eat that, say that. If you want this, say that.
But the guy me, you know what to talk about. You know what to talk about on them shows.
What they got to do with this? What they got to do with you telling me what you would like to do. And so I think the thing here for the Vikings, they have an expectation

now. They see their offense.

They realize that, hey, Jetta's gonna be

Jetta. Hawkinson's been a

Pro Bowl player. Addison,

the more opportunities we give him,

the better he can be.

Offensive line, maybe they add a piece to

the offensive line. But other than that,

I think you owe it. I mean, you draft the kid when you drafted him, and now you keep kicking the can down the road.
And he's like, hold on, what I got to do? You took me, you told me I was the guy, and now I get hurt. Okay, I get that.
I understand that. I got hurt.
There's nothing I can do about that, Ocho. But then I come back, and y'all got another guy you tell me gotta I gotta wait another year yeah yeah yeah and that that would that would bother that would bother anybody especially a quarterback that's not drafted where he got drafted expected to start but due to injury he had a small setback and now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back, not only in playing shape physically and mentally, but now you talk about bringing somebody else in, another veteran presence, and telling me I got to take a backseat again? Yeah.
Wait a minute. What are we talking about here? So I'm happy for him.
I'm glad that the organization decided to hurry up and nix the rumors that were out there about Aaron Rodgers coming in and let J.J. McCarthy give him that sense of security mentally so he can go forward and know he's quarterback one and doesn't have to look over his shoulder.
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I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat. I don't need any of that crap.
If you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't, that's simple. That's the pitch.
If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be a part of it, so be it.
If you don't, no skin off my back. Hey, there are certain teams, you look at the logo on the helmet, they don't need no help.
Right. They don't need no recruiting pitch.
The product sells itself. Again, I always use that.

I use, I always use that example of blue magic in the movie American Gangsta with Denzel

Washington.

The product sells itself.

The Steelers historic franchise, them stars on the side of the helmet, it sells itself.

The other franchise, things are bigger in Texas.

The product sells itself.

You don't need to do anything for it. You don't have to recruit nobody.
You don't have to sell nobody nothing because they're doing it to yourself. That wouldn't be a recruitment, Ocho.
That would be begging. And that's what he wants.
Thank you. I like that.
What did the Jets do? The Jets got on a private plane and flew to him. Yes, sir.

I mean,

I don't know if you saw this, but I had Young Miami on the podcast.

Hey, um,

I saw you shooting, boy.

Let me tell you something. You were shooting

70% from the field that night.

Hey, um,

don't do that. I see you blushing, baby.

Nah, nah, nah, nah. I wasn't shooting.
shooting. I'm just having great conversation.
That's all. You know when you conversate, that's called shooting.
That's not depending on what you say. It ain't what you say.
It's how you say it. It's all about your delivery, baby.
You was on point. But let them tell it.
I was shooting that Cash, dog. I was shooting that Amber Rose.
I was shooting that Young Miami. I was shooting that Kiki.
I was like, well, no. I was shooting that Kiki.
I was shooting that Megan. I was shooting that Megan.
Can I have a conversation? Well, this was a little different. Now, you didn't shoot that cash doll.
You didn't shoot it nobody else. Now, it's just the conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see.
You can't see it because you're actually in the room. See, I'm not room with you.
Yeah. I can see the heat coming off the couch.
You hear me? I can see the connection and the chemistry. Now, I'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play Twister.
That kind of chemistry where they say red and you got the crossover. You hear me? Yeah.
I've seen it. Now, you can't see it.
So, it's my... I'm in the room.
Listen, I know you're in the room. That's why you can't see it.
So I'm trying to tell you what I saw. Huh? Your Wi-Fi was on point.
I'm talking about every bar was there. It was there.
It was a connection. There was chemistry.
You can't see it. So you do with that what you will.
I ain't doing nothing with it. I'm not doing anything with it.
I'm 1,000. For me, I couldn conscience right it's almost it would be almost like i'm a therapist and some lady comes and talk about her problems and then i end up sleeping with her or if i'm a i'm a lawyer and i have a client and i know she's she's uh uh she's vulnerable right now i'm just having a conversation i mean love the fact...
Go ahead. Let me see.
It's the problem. It's the problem.
This is what happens when it comes to us. When it comes to us, our people, we overthink things.
We overthink things and we try to analyze them and we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did. Now, you just said a scenario and you gave a narrative that fit the way you thought this individual is based on the situation that you created.
Now see, God always has a plan for us and he puts people in our life in certain situations and you're missing your blessing. That could be.
Now, young Miami chose to come do club Shay Shay and sat down. Yes, yes, yes.
I'm I'm grateful for every guest. Yeah, now listen, that could have been a sign from God.
You never know. Now, what I saw when I watched the interview, I said, boy, this is more than just a talk.
This is more than just a conversation. Now, I can see the energy.
I can see the aura. I can see the chemistry on camera.
Now, you can't see it, and I'm telling you again. Now, listen to me when I talk to you, because I wouldn't tell you, and I wouldn't see you wrong.
Because this wheel, the wheel over here, Jesus got this one, okay? I'm not telling you to make no moves. I'm just telling you I can see it.
And it's not that. Ocho.
I know we got people watching. You really don't want to say nothing.
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching.
It's just like, you heard what she said? Man, guys show, Ocho, guys showing up with Croc Birkins. Yeah.
Hold on. Hold on, now.
Now you just talked about, I want somebody. You talked about Wage just the other night, now.
You talked about Birkins and G-Wagon. Now this is right up your alley.
This is about what you were talking about. Ocho, Ocho, that's a build-up.
She said Birkins now is a starter pack. Right.
I'm thinking LB. I'm thinking Gucci, YSL.
I'm thinking Dior. Right.
She said Birkins. Croc Birkins.
Right. That's a starter pack.
Guys buying G. Man, come on, man.
Y'all know, man. First of all.
You say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with when you want him young. Huh? Right.
Not only that, there's certain other areas, hon. You're going to have to, you're going to have to, listen, you're going to have to update your resume.
Well, I'm going to have to have to go I'm going to have to let me tell you what I'm going to have to do

I'm going to have to

start going to church

and get me somebody

with a hat

sitting in the

sitting in the

deaconess corner

I be bad

I ain't got the bread

like hey

uh uh

it ain't me

I tell you what

I tell you what

I tell you what

now if you

if you do me a solid

then you do me a favor

young mimey

you know that's my sis now

you know she from Miami

she from Bay County now

you know okay

I'm just making sure

you know,

Thank you. I tell you what, now, if you do me a solid, then you do me a favor.
Young Miami, you know, that's my sis now. You know, she from Miami.
She from Dade County now. You know, okay, I'm just making sure you know that's why I'm vouching for that.
That's why I'm vouching for a sis. Yeah, no.
Look. I know you're trying to keep it professional.
No, but I like the fact that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation. Right.
And we just be talking. I mean, look, I had a great conversation because, like I said, I had no...
I didn't ever think I would even meet any of these people. So for me, I'm like, man, I can't believe you sitting across from me.
That's how I look at them. I don't...
Like, okay, let me try to throw a question in here and try to get slick with it. I ain't trying to do that, man.
You, you've got to do that. You've got to say the things you're saying right now.
I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can't say that you might be thinking. See? That's what me being your other half is supposed to do.
I'm supposed to be able to see things that you can't see and then relate what I see that you should do, but you don't want to do it because you keep, but you're keeping a certain level of professionalism. Yeah.
Less in your face at all times. Let me tell you what I'm gonna do.
Now you talk about, you understand the prerequisites when it comes to dealing with her. Yeah.
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Hey,

hey,

hold on.

Let me give you a prime example

before we move on

to the next topic.

Go ahead.

Before we move on

to the next topic,

understand the professionalism

in which you carry yourself,

the structure and discipline

in everything that you do.

That's what I love about you.

That's why we work so well

because I'm the complete opposite.

So,

I'm gonna give you a small example. Okay.
There was a movie that came out not too long ago when what's the lady's name? Jennifer Anderson was dating Brad Pitt. They were together.
And all of a sudden Brad Pitt went off. Mr.
Mr. Smith.
Yeah. Brad Pitt went off to do a movie with Angelina Jolie.
Mr. and Mrs.
Smith. Yes.
Okay. Okay.
You see where I'm going with this? So listen, it don't matter what you got going on in life. Sometimes God puts you in situations, in this case, happened to be Club Shay Shay with a sit down with Brother Shannon Sharp and Carisha.
and the situation, to me, it was, to me, from the outside looking in,

regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill in Carrie, because you have to, I saw a situation like that. Speaking of Pittsburgh, Nigel Harris said there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers.
We just didn't know anything on offense, really. We didn't have any identity.
We had a young guy coming in at QB. I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side.
You like that he's saying that, Ocho? I mean, at the running back position and saying that you don't have anybody to learn, you know, at that specific position, I don't really like that. I personally don't because there's so many resources once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from where it doesn't have to actually be a person right there outside of your head coach teaching you because there's so much you can learn on your own.
They have film, they have votes, they have, man, goo gods of footage and stuff you can learn. Right.
You know? Yeah. And to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that? Look at all the bats that have come through there.
Yeah, but they weren't there. The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there that's the thing that i'm very appreciative of i had a guy even though he was a year older than me steve atwater that had to be professional i had dennis smith who had been there since 1981 who said this is how you do things this is how you be professional you be punctual you be on time you practice hard i saw saw all those guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things.
Okay, me. Now, Ocho, I got the younger guys coming in.
That's my job for Burns, Foots, Rod Smith, the other guys, TD, Chalky, Howes. Now I go to Baltimore.
Now the younger guys, some of the younger guys, the Rays, the thing, Todd Heaps, that's what you do. I think that's what he's talking about.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, guys, but I think that's what he's talking about. How to be professional.
How to make sure I practice doing everything that I possibly can to make sure that I'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very grateful that I got to Denver.
I had guys, look, there are guys that wanted to party. I know that's not why I was there.
Maybe, Ocho, had I been a first or second round pick, maybe I would have partake. Probably not because that's never been my MO.
But knowing that I'm on thin ice and I see Atwater and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things. I'm saying, you know what? Yeah.
I kind of, I need to be, I need to be in that group. Listen, I, I, I, I understand it.
And I truly don't understand where he's coming from in a sense, because obviously you understand what it took you to get here. Right.
This is, hold on. Now, Jay, now Jay, you've been dreaming about this since you was a little shorty, since you were a little kid.
This was a dream of mine. You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of.
Then not only that, you're part of a historic franchise, the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when I understand the work it took me to get here.

I'm already aligned with the end goal.

All my goals reset themselves once I make it.

I'm not worried about no veteran leadership.

I know what I need to do

based on the goals that I set for myself personally.

It don't matter who's in the room.

It don't matter who was there before me. That shit I need to myself, personally, it don't matter who's in the room.
It don't matter who was there before me. Yeah.
That shit, I need to get done. And I got to focus.
And everything I do has to align with my end goal, regardless of whether I have a veteran presence or not. At my specific position, I want to be one of the best to play this game, ever.
You talk about no veteran leadership? Look at the players that came before you that played the exact position, the Jerome Bettises, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you're going to.
Yeah, but I need them there, Ocho. See, I'm talking about a pro.
A pro is the occupation in which you do it. Right.
That's a professional. A pro is how you go about that.
You see the difference between college and pros. What do they do do they do they get your ass up they make sure you go to study hall they make sure you do x y and z they make sure you're in the weight room who does that when you go to the nfl you and i it helps it helps when you see somebody that that's a pro yeah because once you get there we're all professionals but to be a a pro, it's something to be said.
For me, that's just me. Now, hey, to each his own.
But there's something to be said for me to have veterans. I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, hey, you know, I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah, blah, blah.
X, Y, Z. I said, okay, I appreciate that, man.
He pulled me to the side. Hey, hey, threaten that guy a little bit more.
Hey, you got your head around a little too far. It's little stuff like that, Ocho.
I mean, stuff that you can't see. Because you used to get, hey, Ocho, we used to use God-given ability getting open.
It'd take more than that in the NFL because all them juggers got God-given. Hey, God touched all them.
Yeah, I got you. I understand it, and I wish I could talk to Najee to get better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it, and maybe I'm thinking a little different because of my approach.
I wouldn't work by no veteran leadership. I understood, okay, I finally got here.
I know what my goals are. I want to make sure everything I do is going to align with the angle to make sure I become at some point one of the best to ever play not just for the Bengals but to play in the history of this game in general I'm going to live my imprint whether people like me or not then I think about also hell for the people in the chat no veteran leadership where did I stay the first two years in the NFL? Where I lived at.
Yeah, and... I'm locked in.
I don't care who's there. I know what I got to do.
I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent. This has a rookie.
Yeah. You know what? I might not have veteran presence, but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do to make sure I give them the best of me.
Giving you the best of me. You know, a part of me, I think, I think Najee doesn't feel like the Steelers really appreciated him.
Yeah. Because a guy that just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not going to get the appreciation like a Saquon.
Right. Likerick Henry, like these guys rushing for 1,400, 1,500 yards.
He's never had less than 1,000 yards rushing, don't you? But he's not spectacular. You don't look at him like, oh, my God.
You don't think that when he gets the ball, see, at least like Saquon gets the ball, you think, man, he might hit his head on the goalpost. Or Derrick Henry going gonna end the game with 150, maybe 200 yards.
That's not what you get from him. I thought he's a good back.
Yeah. I don't think he changes lives.
He's not a guy that's gonna change your life. For me.
Now, in college, he was sensational. Yeah.
He a bell cow. Three down back.
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Oh, Joe, Jamar was not. Jamar Chase signed his deal.
T. Higgins signed his deal.
They had their press conference. Jamar not happy with the reporter calling T receiver number two.
Let's take a listen to what he had to say. When you see it out there, the Ohio State wide receiver comes at 1A.
You're saying it's for that. Fixing it 1A.
Yes, sir. You know, bro, I don't even look at it like that.
You know what I mean? I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like this because now that's why everybody's saying I'm the highest paid, too. Let's just say I'm at a place where, you know, they value me and, you know, they respect me.
And I'm just a good player. So let's just say that.
Not the highest receiver, too, or anything like that. You know what I mean? so let's just say that not the highest receiver too or anything like that you know what I mean so let's just say he's another great receiver English receiver that you know that puts in the work and got his head down and just grinds so I mean I've been saying it for a very long time I've been saying it for a very very long time every time I talk about the Bengals duo I say it all the time and I've been saying it for a very long time, huh? I've been saying it for a very long time.

Every time I talk about the Bengals duo,

I say it all the time,

and I've been saying it for a very long time.

You and I even went back and forth about it,

you know, continuously on here.

I said he's a wide receiver one

that just happened to be on the team

with another number one.

There are a few instances,

a few other teams that also benefit from this situation. I'm not sure what the reporter is doing.
And the reporter who understands the game of football and has been able to watch T and Chase together should know that and know better. That he's a one.
If he were to leave there, he would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is.

It just so happens he have Jamar Chase

on the other side of him.

Well, we look at,

let me ask you a question.

When Pastor Tane lined up, who Pastor Tane

going to? He going to Chase or he going to

Tee Higgins?

If he's following, he's going to Chase.

Okay. Sal's Gardner.

Stingley.

If he's following, he's going to chase. Okay.
Saltz Gardner, Stingley. If he's following, he's going to chase.

So why wouldn't he?

I understand what you're saying, right?

That's the thing now, Ocho.

There used to be no QB one.

It was the starter quarterback.

It was no QB.

It was no wide receiver one.

It was wide receiver.

It was Michael Irving, Sterling Chomp, Jared Rice, Randy, blah, blah, blah, T.O. Now they got all these things, wide receiver one.
Hold on, hold on now. Hold on.
Ain't no all now. There are only a few teams like that.
The Eagles, that's wide receiver one A and one B. The Bengals, that's wide receiver one A and one B.
What they did over there with Kuba Kopp and Puga Nekua, that was wide receiver 1A and 1B. Now what they will do is they will take some of your production and your opportunities away from you and make it look like there's something wrong with you and make it look like wide receiver 2 when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business and how they work your ass up out of there.
This is why I look at it though, Cho. Talk to me Why didn't they give, if Jalen Waddle was the equivalent of Tyreek, why didn't they give him the same type of money that he gave Tyreek? If Devontae Smith was the equivalent receiver, so why did they give T.
Higgins $40 million? Wait, you know you can't work like that. He wide receiver one.
Wide receiver one, get wide receiver one money. Right, yeah.
Listen, we can argue, we can argue too, but listen, normally, normally when we talk about wide receiver one and we talk about wide receiver two, there is an enormous drop off in skill and talent. Enormous.
Now you got two receivers that get it done two totally different ways.

Are you saying there's no

drop-off? Hold on. I want to make sure I'm here.

Yeah, there's a drop-off. I said enormous.

No, no, no. Extravagant.

Extravagant

drop-off from your one

and your two. There's a reason the person

is a one and there's a reason

the other person is a two.

Let me finish. You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do.
High point, short, intermediate, long balls. Now, both of them do all of them really well.
I think one of the few things that Chase might have on... Run after the catch.
Yeah, is that goddamn run after the catch. My God.
That's also because his background at playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that.
Every time he get the ball, he's like a damn running back. He's bouncing off people, playing ping pong.
I mean, listen, you touch me, I'm going down. You touch me, I'm going down.
I'm making a business decision. Look, I'm glad he got paid.
I think he earned it right. I mean, the way he played, he had been exemplary the whole while there.
They made him play under the tag. He played under the tag.
He caught Nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown. He was going to be well over 1,000 yards, and so they compensated him.
I love when teams reward their players for work put in. Now, Ocho, I've already paid you for what you've done.
Now, for me to give you this money, they're not paying Chase for the Triple Crown because they paid him that. They're paying him for moving forward.
We believe you're going to put up numbers equivalent to that, if not better. I can't pay.
I can't. How do I? I paid you.
It wasn't like he didn't get a salary, Ocho, and now we got to make up for what we didn't give him. He got paid.
Right. With that being said, I believe Chase, they believe Chase is going to put up numbers equivalent to, if not better than what he put up last year.
So I'm going to pay you accordingly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And,

uh,

that was good.

And he's earned it.

Yeah,

absolutely.

He's earned it.

I'm glad he didn't have to go.

I'm glad he didn't have to go to get some,

because so many times we see guys put,

Oh,

put the work in,

put the work in, and then they got to go somewhere else to get, get rewarded, get so many times we see guys put, oh, put the work in, put the work in, and then they gotta go

somewhere else to get rewarded.

To get the appreciation that I should have got

from the club that drafted me. You thought

enough of drafting me. You know, that's why I tell people a lot

of times, what I love about Dan

Reeves, he was smart enough to draft

me, but somehow forgot to cut me.

The Bengals,

oh, you really loved him. You did

your homework. You took him in the second round.
round but now he give you all those great years and you wanna let him you gonna let him move on and you gonna let him cause he ain't in his prime yet so now the next four years is really gonna be you know his prime and you gonna let somebody else reap that benefit cause you cheating so I was glad they finally you know the funny thing I think a lot of people haven't talked about they really don't know is the person that's pulling their strings behind closed doors the person with the power the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really nigh. Yeah, for sure.
You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that. We talk about T going here no matter what I've said, no matter what people on ESPN, no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter.
The person behind the closed doors who went up the management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract, or what you need to restructure. But uno and five, I need that back.
Come hell or high water. If you understand understand Joe Verwin how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it that man young bull ain't playing not by them two you know what I love Ocho? the fact that he was outspoken about it a lot of quarterbacks like yeah we'd love to have him back but that's not my call he's like, they've earned, they've earned the right.
He said, and he said the same thing about Trey Hendrickson. It seems like they're a little bit more open to trading trade than, than potentially bringing him back.
But that's something we'll discuss in a later date and time. Right.
But he came on first take and he was very, Hey, I want them to pay chase. Chase has earned that.
I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do.
And I want him back. None of that.
Hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but, you know, I don't make that decision. I'm just a quarterback.
No. No.
And so I love that part about him. Oh, Joe, a key factor in the Jamar Chase T.
Higgins negotiation with Joe Burrow's influence. Beyond the public comments, Burrow applied private pressure making it clear deals must get done for both.
If since it failed, it could have gotten very, very interesting. Yeah, listen, I'm glad that we just brought that up and I just said it ahead of time.
Obviously, I would have said it when all this stuff was going on, but if you understand, I've watched Joe now for a few years. I've seen him up in person.
I've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and goes on about his business and his approach to the game and how serious he takes it. In order to continue playing at an elite level, you have to have elite talent around you.

And you understand that, especially offensively.

In order to keep that going and continue to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go.

We already know what the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a Sunday.

In order to get there, especially San Francisco, I need my two.

I need my uno.

I need my five.

And I don't know what we need to do. I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen.
Yeah. That's it.
I think sometimes that quarterbacks be like, I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me.
That's a cop-out, Ocho. It's a cop-out to say, well, I don't get to make that decision.
Yeah. I've heard that before.
And you hear that a lot. I mean, you know, Joe making $55 million, he's like, hey, y'all fend for yourself.
But he knows a part of him getting that $55 million was $1 in $5. It is.
You said it right there. Now, you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in that can't do a $1 in $5.
He understand. He understand.
You're going to be upset. I mean, he's been throwing.
You're going to be mad. I mean, he's pretty much been throwing a chase for what? Five years? Had him in college a year? Mm-hmm.
Missed him and then picked him right back up. Back up, yeah.
So with that being said, I'm glad these guys got it done. Congratulations, guys.
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