Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders talks Draft criticism + Vikings move forward with McCarthy

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Speaker 4 Bunchie asked Shadua about the draft process so far, also about

Speaker 4 what he's essentially been, been a smear campaign against him. His answer is what you expect from Time Sun.
It's definitely a learning experience.

Speaker 4 There are a lot of things that aren't in your control.

Speaker 4 And just getting the knowledge from your dad and your just coach, family, friends, and everybody you know that's supporting me and helping me through this process is extremely important.

Speaker 4 And I'm thankful that I have those resources. We always understood, block out the noise, even from Jackson State and Colorado.
It's a lot of critics, it's a lot of hate, but we know what to do.

Speaker 4 We know how to handle that in every way. So we remain happy.

Speaker 4 What do you take away from what Shadur spoke to Bucky Brooks about today?

Speaker 4 Prime has prepared Shadur for this day for a very long time, huh?

Speaker 4 And he had the right person on his corner who also had to endure the same type of negative

Speaker 4 negativity in general from the media based on his style of play, the way he approached the game. Things that had nothing to do with his play would always use it against him.

Speaker 4 Shadua understands that. He should understand that because everything they talk about has nothing to do with the game of football.
It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State.

Speaker 4 It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Colorado despite the obstacles he had to overcome.

Speaker 4 Despite having, you know, inadequate play at the O-line, still being able to complete 70% of his passes.

Speaker 4 They don't talk about none of that. They talk about the way an individual carries himself, his swag,

Speaker 4 the way he talks.

Speaker 4 Not about being in trouble.

Speaker 4 Nothing is talking about that.

Speaker 4 Ridiculous stuff. Oh, showing off the watch.
I mean, so what?

Speaker 4 It's all about having confidence. It's all about having belief.
That's what it takes to play at the next level and be successful. The fact that they're using that as a negative

Speaker 4 says more about them than it does Shadur.

Speaker 4 And I hope he never changes. True.
And he continues to have success in all that he does. Wherever he goes, you want to get a player like that that's going to change your franchise around.

Speaker 4 When someone comes out and says, I want someone to draft me

Speaker 4 that wants a player that's going to change their franchise,

Speaker 4 that's something you want in a quarterback.

Speaker 4 I know it's frowned upon a little bit to have one that's as brash and as vocal as that.

Speaker 4 But if you look at the film, you turn the film on, you know what you get. It shouldn't be no problems at all.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm sure time prepared him for this. His dad prepared him for this.
He's been at this. His dad has been at this for a very long time.
He's been in the spotlight since his days at Florida State.

Speaker 4 So he understands that there's a certain level of criticism that comes along with being the guy, with being a good, great football player. He understands that.

Speaker 4 Also, it comes along with being a quarterback.

Speaker 4 And yeah, the objective is, I think the thing is, Ocho, a lot of times they try to tell you what you can't do, but they never want to emphasize what you can do.

Speaker 4 Bring me a guy and tell me what he, hey, what can he do? Because I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do. That's my job as a coach, is to not put him in a situation where he can't succeed.

Speaker 4 Okay, you said

Speaker 4 he's not good on a...

Speaker 4 Read option. Okay, why would I run his own read if that's not what he's good at? I'm trying to put my players in a situation where they can succeed.

Speaker 4 That's what a coach's job is, is to put a guy in a position where he can succeed and get more out of him than the player thought he can get out of himself.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's going to be this.

Speaker 4 I'm glad that, you know, he's doing a great job, as good a job, but he's not a robot with you.

Speaker 4 He sees this thing. I mean, he's on social media.
He hears these things. He's not a robot.
He has feelings. He has emotions.

Speaker 4 And so no matter how much you're like, oh, no, eventually, yeah, you hear it. You hear all the negativity that what they're saying.

Speaker 4 It doesn't make it any easier.

Speaker 4 Now, your dad can tell you, like, hey, son, this is blah, blah, blah. But it doesn't make it easier, Ocho.
I ain't trying to hear that. This is supposed to be one of the, look,

Speaker 4 if Chador is what we think he is, and can become the player that we think he can,

Speaker 4 all that noise, that's all it is. It's just noise.
It should have no impact.

Speaker 4 What somebody says about you, and his dad says, what you say about me is not what I think of myself. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 I just hope he has the mental fortitude not to let it bother him. The fact that he's already been through it for so long and he has Prime as his father, I don't think it will.

Speaker 4 Because I know a lot of people, when it comes to the media and the media jumps on you, and they talk about you, sometimes it gets to certain people. But I think the story is built different.

Speaker 4 prime has been built different so i think he has a great understanding to ignore it to block the noise out and when his time comes in april wherever he goes he shows up and shows the you know what out

Speaker 4 i mean i'm i'm excited

Speaker 4 man the vikings are set to roll with jj mccarthy thank you pursue aaron rodgers the vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for jj mccarthy telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback.

Speaker 4 The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time. McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1.

Speaker 4 That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his past, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past.

Speaker 4 The whole team's steadily at hostage. Now, some of the reports.
He didn't hold him hostage. Move on.

Speaker 4 Oh, well,

Speaker 4 they're allowing him. Just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did,

Speaker 4 the Jets allowed, Green Bay allowed it. The Jets allowed it.
Just move on.

Speaker 4 That's exactly what they should do. Now, this is what I like about Minnesota.

Speaker 4 The reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt for trading for him. And what they did right away, it ain't even been two days.
Oh, we're going to nix that real quick.

Speaker 4 We don't have time to play them games with you. So obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to.

Speaker 4 Because now here you go to the other teams, you're not sure on what you want to do yet having them wait using the leverage that you do have the little bit of leverage you still have to play games i'm glad the minnesota vikings came out and said what they said they're going forward with jj mccarthy because you drafted him for a reason and you understand what he can do especially with the supporting cast he has around him because you saw what sam darling was able to do he wasn't able to do it with the jets he wasn't able to do with the panthers but all of a sudden he comes to minnesota and he has a career year

Speaker 4 And now it's time for J.J. McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing.
And that's what he's probably going to do because what he has around him is very, very special.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, you got to find out if the guy can play or not, OJo. I mean,

Speaker 4 you keep kicking the can down the road. Yeah.
But listen, even if he couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Donald could play either when he was with the Jets.

Speaker 4 We didn't think he could play when he's with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season.

Speaker 4 Because see, there's this thing called expectations. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You tell me, because think about what you just said you didn't think sam darno was gonna do that nobody thought sam tarno was gonna do that until expectations came along and then expectations came along oh we got to get the number one seed and then what happened oh we're in the playoffs then what happened he turned back into sam darno you see expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams yeah because the moment someone expects something of you see that's the only way you could hurt me ocho

Speaker 4 Hey, if I don't expect anything, if I'm in a relationship and I'm just casually, I don't expect nothing. Hey, you do you.
I'm going to do me.

Speaker 4 It's the moment we have expectations in each other, see, that it bothers me, that it hurts me if you do something that I don't agree with. See what I mean? So the Vikings started to have expectations.

Speaker 4 We started to have expectations for Sam Darnold. And you see what happened?

Speaker 4 Now. Now,

Speaker 4 you was preaching a little too fast. Now, I'm not sure the people in the chat.
I'm not sure the people in the chat didn't catch that, but that was a moment.

Speaker 4 That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football, but that's something that could apply to life

Speaker 4 that I think a lot of people missed. But I didn't miss it because as soon as I heard it, you know, I keep that thing on me.
Yeah, you keep it on you. Expectation.
Now, bring that to me again.

Speaker 4 I got to write it down.

Speaker 4 Now, when it gets to the end of the year, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take all these quotes that I wrote down, yeah, and I'm going to make a nightcap booklet called Hunks Quotes

Speaker 4 so that people can apply it to life.

Speaker 4 Expectation, just get to me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's the number one, it's the number one killer of dreams and goals. Because here's the thing, Ocho.
Sam Darnold, nobody, because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets.

Speaker 4 Well, he was terrible with Carolina. Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at Sam Frayn.

Speaker 4 So everybody was expecting, remember the last two stops that they saw him, that he wasn't that good. Right.
Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations.

Speaker 4 The more you win, the more expectations come along with that. So now,

Speaker 4 the last couple of games of the season, oh Joe, we got an opportunity to get the number one seed. Right.

Speaker 4 Boom. Oh, we're in the playoffs now.
Don't matter, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 Boom. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you know, that

Speaker 4 playoff atmosphere is different now. That's a whole different ballgame than playing in the regular season.
Regular season, he looked phenomenal.

Speaker 4 It's a different type of pressure, again, the one word expectation that comes with being the quarterback,

Speaker 4 especially in that type of situation. So

Speaker 4 I kind of understand in the team you are playing or had to play.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but that's what happens when you have expectations, Ocho. Like I said, and I like to equate things to relationships because most of the people, especially in our chat, has been a relationship.

Speaker 4 You can relate to it, yeah. It's the moment you have expectations.
You see, when a couple's in a relationship in marriage, there's an expectation.

Speaker 4 You're going to be faithful. I'm going to be faithful.
Oh. I'm going to protect you.
You're going to protect me. Come on now.

Speaker 4 I'm going to honor the vows that we stood before God and we swore to each other. Now

Speaker 4 I have that expectation.

Speaker 4 But hey, if you say, hey, what you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 I ain't going to be able to see you tonight. And everybody, there's like, there's no expectations.
I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me.
I see you when I see you. Holler when I holler.

Speaker 4 And you know what I don't like about, you know what I don't like about the analogy and the explanation that you're giving right now?

Speaker 4 It's a marriage one normally doesn't work, but the one with a no expectation, hell, you'd be friends, you'd be, you'd be um, you'd be sneaky links or whatever you want to call it, for years and years and years and years, all the way down the line because there are no expectations, so there's no failure or reason for anything to ever end.

Speaker 4 Oh, but here's the here's the sneaky part, the way to get you.

Speaker 4 You see, the number one

Speaker 4 cause that caught will cause a relationship to end is uncommunicated expectations.

Speaker 4 You see, Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them. Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? You expected her, she expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation.
Right.

Speaker 4 You didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation. Uncommunicated expectations.
Ocho thought.

Speaker 4 That you know what? Hey, she's going to do this thing for Father's Day. We're going to do it up, blah, blah, blah.
She didn't do it. You see, uncommunicated expectations.

Speaker 4 But again, uncommunicated, but what's the end part expectations

Speaker 4 i like that i haven't heard i even i haven't even heard that word before not used not used in this context and actually used together uncommit uncommunicated expectations yes i like that that's a that's you see she has an expectations but she didn't communicate them with you right you have an expectations but you didn't communicate them with her so those uncommunicated expectations and what happens a lot of times people have what we call implosive personalities.

Speaker 4 They hold things, hold things, hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes.

Speaker 4 The term, oh, you went postal. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Boom. And so now, instead of just saying, well, you know, Chad, I thought that we were going to do this.
Right. No, one month go by.
Two months go by. Three months go by.
Four months go by.

Speaker 4 And it's building. Wait, you don't know it's not been communicated so you don't know

Speaker 4 it's building it's building it's building boom

Speaker 4 then it blows yeah

Speaker 4 you've been with me all this time you should have known you see how many times you heard that ocho all you know what i like yeah all the time all the time because you've been with him a certain amount you've been with someone for a certain amount of time and you know women all the time oh i know you real well i know you real well i knew what she's gonna say you could say something huh?

Speaker 4 Yes. He can finish the sentence for you.

Speaker 4 But all of a sudden, when it comes to certain stuff, oh, you didn't want to let me. They know you wanted that.
I know you wanted. Oh, you can't read my mind.
I threw you hints.

Speaker 4 I gave you a sign a few. I gave you a sign a few weeks ago.
A sign?

Speaker 4 Yeah. What?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
In the conversation.

Speaker 4 I mentioned it when it came on TV. Yeah.
I missed the sign that God gave me, too.

Speaker 4 You should have told me, should have said, I missed the sign that God gave me. I should have left your ass alone about six months ago.

Speaker 4 I missed that sign.

Speaker 4 And that's the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes

Speaker 4 we take for granted and you've been in a relationship. Just tell me.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm one of these guys, OJo. Just tell me.

Speaker 4 If you want to do something, tell me. I don't have time.
I got too much ish on my plate. Yeah.
Try to try to figure out what you want.

Speaker 4 You can just open your mouth and say, if you want to go here, say that if you want to eat that say that if you want this say that but the guy me

Speaker 4 you know you know what to talk about you know what to talk about on them shows uh-oh

Speaker 4 what they got to do with this what that got to do with you telling me

Speaker 4 what you would like to do

Speaker 4 And so I think the thing is for the Vikings, they have an expectation now. They see their offense.

Speaker 4 They realize that, hey, Jeddah's going to be Jeddah. Hawkinson's been a Pro Bowl player.
Addison, hey, the more opportunities we give him, the better he can be.

Speaker 4 Offensive line, maybe they can add a piece to the offensive line. But other than that,

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 you drafted kid when you drafted him. And now you keep kicking the can down the road.

Speaker 4 And then he's like, hold on, what I got to do? You took me and you told me I was the guy. And now I get hurt.
Okay, I get that. I understand that.
I got hurt. There's nothing I can do about that, Ojo.

Speaker 4 But then I come back

Speaker 4 and y'all got another guy. You tell me I got to wait another year? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That would bother. That would bother anybody, especially a quarterback that got drafted where he got drafted, expected to start, but due to injury, he had a small setback.

Speaker 4 And now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back, not only in playing shape physically and mentally, but now you talk about bringing somebody else in, another veteran president, and telling me I got to take a back seat again.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 What are we talking about here? So I'm happy for him. I'm glad that the organization decided to hurry up and mix the rumors that were out there about Aaron Rodgers coming in and let J.J.

Speaker 4 McCarthy give him that sense of security mentally so he can go forward and know he's quarterback one and doesn't have to look over his shoulder.

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Speaker 4 Cam Hayward,

Speaker 4 the great defensive tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers, was asked if he'll be doing any recruiting to help bring Rodgers to Pittsburgh. I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat.

Speaker 4 I don't need any of that crap. Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't.
That's simple. That's the pitch.
If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch, Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 If you want to be a part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin off my back.
Hey, huh? There's certain teams. You look at the logo on the helmet, they don't need no help.
Right?

Speaker 4 They don't need no recruiting pitch. The product sells itself.
Again, I always use that. I always use that example of Blue Magic in the movie American Gangster with Denzel Washington.

Speaker 4 The product sells itself. The Steelers' historic franchise, them stars stars on the side of the helmet, it sells itself.
The other franchise,

Speaker 4 things are bigger in Texas.

Speaker 4 The product sells itself. You don't need to do anything for it.
You don't have to recruit nobody.

Speaker 4 You don't have to sell nobody nothing because it's

Speaker 4 that wouldn't be a recruitment, Ojo. That would be begging.
And that's what he wants. Thank you.
I like

Speaker 4 what the Jets do. The Jets got on a private plane and flew to him.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 OJ, I don't know if you saw this, but I had young Miami on the podcast. Hey, hey, well, I saw you shooting, boy.

Speaker 4 Let me tell you something. Well,

Speaker 4 you were shooting 70% from the field that night, man.

Speaker 4 Hey, don't do that. I see you blushing, baby.
Nah, nah, nah, nah. I was shooting.
Hey,

Speaker 4 I'm just having great conversation. That's all.
Yeah, you know, when you, you know, when you conversate, that's called shooting. That depending on what you say, it ain't what you say.

Speaker 4 It's how you say it.

Speaker 4 It's all about your delivery baby you was on point you was but let them tell it i was shooting that cash dog i was shooting that amber rose i was shooting at young miami oh no no no no i was shooting that kiki i was i was like with damn i was shooting that bag

Speaker 4 with damn

Speaker 4 can i have a conversation well this was a little different now you didn't shoot at cash dog You didn't shoot at nobody else.

Speaker 4 Now, it's this, the conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see. You can't see it because you actually in the room.
See, I'm not in the room with you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I can see i can see the heat coming off the couch

Speaker 4 you hear me i can see the connection and the chemistry now i'm not i'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play twister that kind of chemistry where they say red and you got the crossover you hear me yeah i seen it now you can't see it so it's it's it's my due i've been the room listen i know you're in the room that's why you can't see it now so i'm trying to tell you what i saw huh your wifi was on point i'm talking about every every bar was there it was there it was a connection that was chemistry you can't see it so i you do with that what you will and i ain't doing nothing with it i'm not doing anything with it

Speaker 4 we're happy i'm 1000. um okay um um i i i for me right i i i couldn't in good conscience right it's almost it would be almost like i'm a therapist and some

Speaker 4 lady comes and talk about her problems and then i end up sleeping with her or if i'm a i'm a lawyer and i have a client and i know she's she's uh uh

Speaker 4 she's vulnerable right nah right bro I'm just having a conversation. I mean, I love the fact.
Go ahead. Let me see.

Speaker 4 It's the problem. This is the problem.
This is what happens when it comes to us. When it comes to us, our people, we overthink things.

Speaker 4 We overthink things and we try to analyze them and we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did. Now, you just said a scenario.
You gave a narrative that fit the way you thought

Speaker 4 this individual is. based on the situation that you created.
Now, see, God always has a plan for us and he puts people in our life in certain situations and you're missing your blessing.

Speaker 4 That could be.

Speaker 4 Now, young Miami chose to come through Club Shay Shay and sat down. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 4 I'm grateful for every guest. Yeah, now listen, that could have been a sign from God.
You never know. Now, what I saw when I watched the interview, I said, well, this is more than just a talk.

Speaker 4 This is more than just a conversation. Now, I can see the energy.
I can see the aura. I can see

Speaker 4 the chemistry on camera. Now, you can't see it.
And I'm telling you again. Now, listen to me when I I talk to you because I wouldn't tell you, and I wouldn't steal you wrong.

Speaker 4 Because this wheel, the wheel over here, Jesus got this one. Okay,

Speaker 4 I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you to make no moves.
I'm just telling you,

Speaker 4 I can see it. And

Speaker 4 oh Joe, I know, I know, I know we got people watching. You really don't want to say nothing.
No, no, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching.

Speaker 4 It's just like, you heard what she said, man. Guys show, oh, Joe, guys showing up with Croc Birkins.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hold on,

Speaker 4 whoa, whoa, whoa,

Speaker 4 Hold on that. Now you just talked about I want somebody.

Speaker 4 You talked about wage just the other night now. You talked about Birkins and G-Wagons.
Now this is right up your ass. It's about what you, this is what you were talking about.

Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, that's a buildup. She said Birkins now is a starter pack.
Right. I'm thinking LV.
I'm thinking Gucci, YSL. I'm thinking Dior.

Speaker 4 Right. She say Birkins.
Croc Birkins. That's a starter pack.
Guy buying G.

Speaker 4 Man, man, come on, man. Y'all know, man.
All right, you gotta be a bad man. First of all,

Speaker 4 you say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with. You want when you want him young, huh?

Speaker 4 Not only that, there's certain other areas, huh?

Speaker 4 You're going to have to, listen, you're going to have to update your resume. Well, I'm going to have to go.
I'm going to have to. Let me tell you what I'm going to have to do.

Speaker 4 I'm going to have to start going to church and get me somebody with a hat.

Speaker 4 Sitting in the Deacon S corner.

Speaker 4 I can't. Hey.

Speaker 4 Uh-uh. It ain't me.

Speaker 4 I'll tell you what. I tell you what.
I tell you what. Now,

Speaker 4 if you do me a solid, and you do me a favor, young Miami, you know, that's my sis now. You know, she from Miami.
She from Dade County now.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'm just making sure you know that's why I'm vouching for that. That's why I'm vouching for sister.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 look,

Speaker 4 I know. I know you're trying to keep it professional.
No, but I, but I like the fact. I like the fact.

Speaker 4 that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation right and we just be talking i mean look i i i mean i had a great conversation because like i said i i had no i didn't ever think i would even meet any of these people so for me i'm like like man i can't believe you sitting across from me that's how i look at them i don't i don't like okay let me let me let me let me let me try to throw a question in here and try to get sleek with it now i don't i ain't i ain't trying to do this man you've got see you've got to do that you got to say the things you're saying right now I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can say that you might be thinking.

Speaker 4 See, that's what me being your other half is supposed to do. I'm supposed to be able to see things that you can't see and then relate what I see

Speaker 4 that you should do, but you don't want to do it because you're keeping a certain level of professionalism. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You got to be professional. You're going to see your face at all times.
Now, let me tell you what I'm going to do. Now, you talk about you understand

Speaker 4 the prerequisites when it comes to dealing with her.

Speaker 4 Now, if you want to lead up with one of them Carl Merkins, I've seen your 5,200

Speaker 4 to speed up the process. No, send me that because that's what you owe me.
Not because that's going to be a dial payment on the damn bag. Send me that because that's what the hell you owe me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, y'all hear this man? This man ain't talking about, oh, if you're going to get a croc burkin, I'll see you 5,200 on it. How you going to send me money?

Speaker 4 How you going to talk about you going to send me something on it? What do you owe me that? Hey, hey, hold on. Let me give you a prime example before we move on to the next topic.

Speaker 4 Before we move on to the next topic, understand the professionalism in which you carry yourself, the structure and discipline, and everything that you do. That's what I love about you.

Speaker 4 That's why we work so well because I'm the complete opposite.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 I'm gonna give you a small example. Okay.
There was a movie that came out not too long ago

Speaker 4 when,

Speaker 4 ah, what's the lady's name? Jennifer Anderson, Jennifer Anderson was dating Brad Pitt.

Speaker 4 They were together. And all of a sudden, Brad.
Mr. Mrs.
Smith. Yeah.
Brad Pitt went off to do a movie with Angela.

Speaker 4 Angela angela jolie mr mrs smith yes okay okay you hear you see where i'm going with this so listen it don't matter what you got going on life sometimes god puts you in situations in this case happened to be club shake shape with a sit-down with

Speaker 4 brother shannon sharp

Speaker 4 and carisha and a situation to me

Speaker 4 It was to me from the outside looking in, regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill in Carrie because you have to, I saw a situation like that.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Pittsburgh, Nigee Harris says there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers. We just didn't know anything on offense, really.
We didn't have any identity. We had a young guy

Speaker 4 coming in at QB. I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side.

Speaker 4 You like that he's saying that, Ojo?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 at the running back position, and saying that you don't have anybody to learn, you know, at that

Speaker 4 specific position,

Speaker 4 I don't really like that.

Speaker 4 I personally don't, because there's so many resources once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from, where it doesn't have to actually be a person right there outside of your head coach teaching you, because there's so much you can learn on your own.

Speaker 4 They have film, they have vaults, they have man, goo gods of footage and stuff you can learn. Right.
You know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 And to say something like, and to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that?

Speaker 4 Look at all the backs that have come through there. Yeah, but they weren't there.
The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there. That's the thing that I'm very appreciative of.

Speaker 4 I had a guy, even though he was a year older than me, Steve Atwater, that had to be professional. I had Dennis Smith, who had been there since 1981, who said, this is how you do things.

Speaker 4 This is how you be professional. You be punctual.
You be on time. You practice hard.
I saw John. I saw all those guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things.

Speaker 4 Okay. Me, now, Ocho, I got the younger guys coming in.
That's my job for Burns, Foots, Rod Smith, the other guys, TD, Chalky, House. Now I go to Baltimore.

Speaker 4 Now the younger guys, some of the younger guys, the Rays and think Todd Heaps. That's what you do.

Speaker 4 I think that's what he's talking about. I think, I don't want to put words in his mouth, guys, but I think that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 4 Like how to be professional, how to make sure I practice doing everything that I possibly can to make sure

Speaker 4 that I'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very, I'm very grateful that I got to Denver.
I had guys, look, they're guys that wanted to party. I know that's not why I was there.

Speaker 4 Maybe, Ocho, had I been a first or second round pick, maybe I would have partake. Probably not because that's never been my M.O.

Speaker 4 But knowing that I'm on thin ice

Speaker 4 and I see Atwater and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things. I'm saying, you know what? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I need to be in that group.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 4 I understand it, and I truly don't understand where he's coming from in a sense, because obviously you understand what it took you to get here, right? This is,

Speaker 4 Najee, Najay, you've been dreaming about this since you was a little shorty, since you're a little kid. This was a dream of mine.

Speaker 4 You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of. Then not only that, you're part of historic franchise, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 4 I'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when I understand the work it took me to get here. I'm already aligned with the end goal.

Speaker 4 All my goals reset themselves once I make it. I'm not worried about no veteran leadership.

Speaker 4 I know what I need to do. based on the goals that I set for myself personally.

Speaker 4 It don't matter who's in the room. It don't matter who was there before me.
Yeah. There's shit I need to get done.

Speaker 4 And I got to focus. And everything I do has to align with my end goal, regardless of whether I have a veteran presence or not.

Speaker 4 At my Pacific position, I want to be one of the best to play this game ever.

Speaker 4 You talk about no veteran leadership. Look at the players that came before you that played the exact position.
The Jerome Bettises, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you're going to.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but I need them there, though, Ocho. See,

Speaker 4 you talk about a pro.

Speaker 4 A pro.

Speaker 4 A pro is the occupation in which you do it. Right.
That's a professional. A pro is how you go about that.
You see it out there. You see the difference between college and pros.
What do they do?

Speaker 4 They get your ass up. They make sure you go to study hall.
They make sure you do X, Y, and Z. They make sure you're in the weight room.
Who does that when you go to the NFL? You. And

Speaker 4 it helps. It helps when you see somebody.
that's a pro.

Speaker 4 Because once you get there, we're all professionals. But to to be a pro,

Speaker 4 it's something to be said for me. That's just me.
Now, hey, to each his own, but there's something to be said for me to have veteran.

Speaker 4 I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, hey, hey, you know,

Speaker 4 I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah, blah, blah. X, Y, Z.
I said, okay, I appreciate that, man. He pulled me to the side.
Hey.

Speaker 4 Hey, threaten that guy a little bit more. Hey,

Speaker 4 you got your head around a little too far. So it's little stuff like that, OJo.

Speaker 4 I mean, stuff that you can't see. Yeah.
Because you used to get, hey, Ocho, we used to use a God-given ability getting open. It take more than that in the NFL.

Speaker 4 Because all them jokes got God given, hey, God touched all them. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I got you.

Speaker 4 I understand it. And I wish I could have told it, Najee to get better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it.

Speaker 4 And maybe I'm thinking a little different because of my approach. I was talking about no veteran leadership.
I understood, okay, I finally got here. I know what my goals are.

Speaker 4 I want to make sure everything I do is going to align with that that angle to make sure I become at some point one of the best ever played, not just for the Bengals, but to play in the history of this game in general.

Speaker 4 I'm going to leave my imprint, whether people like me or not. Then I think about also, hell,

Speaker 4 for the people in the chat,

Speaker 4 no better relationship. Where did I stay the first two years in the NFL? Where I lived at?

Speaker 4 Yeah. And

Speaker 4 I'm locked in. I don't care who's there.
I know what I got to do. I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent.
This is as a rookie. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know what? I might not have better impresses, but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do to make sure I give them the best of me.

Speaker 4 Giving you the best of me.

Speaker 4 You know, it's a part of me,

Speaker 4 I think Najee doesn't feel like the Steelers really appreciated him. Yeah.
Because a guy that's just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not going to get the appreciation like a Saquon,

Speaker 4 like a Derrick henry like these guys rushing for 14 15 100 yards he's never had less than a thousand yards rushing ocho uh-huh but he's not spectacular you don't look at him like oh my god you don't think that when he gets the ball see at least like saquan gets the ball you think man he might hit his head on the goal post yeah or or derrick henry gonna end the game with 150 maybe 200 yards that's not what you get from him um i thought he's a good back uh i i don't think i don't think he i don't think he changes live no he's not a a guy that's going to change your life.

Speaker 4 For me, now in college, he was sensational. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, Jamar was not. Jamar Chase signed his deal.
T. Higgins signed his deal.
They had their press conference. Yeah, we.
Jamar was not happy with the reporter calling T receiver number two.

Speaker 4 Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

Speaker 4 We would have probably been wide receiver one. When you see Fedale, that's the highest paid wide receiver.

Speaker 4 How does that 1A?

Speaker 4 You're saying it was FedAffa. I fixed the name.
1A. Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 You know, bro, I don't even look at it like that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like this. So, because now that's why everybody say I'm the highest paid, too.
No, let's just say

Speaker 4 I'm at a place where you know they value me and you know, they respect me. And

Speaker 4 I'm just, I'm a good player here. So, let's just say that.
That's not the highest receiver, too,

Speaker 4 or anything like that. You know what I mean? So, let's just say he's another great receiver, English receiver that, you know, that puts in the work and

Speaker 4 got his head down and just grinds. So,

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 I've been saying it for a very long time, huh?

Speaker 4 I've been saying it for a very, very, very long time. Every time I talk about the Bengals duo, I say it all the time.
And I've been saying it for a very long time.

Speaker 4 You and I even went back and forth about it, you know, continuously on here.

Speaker 4 I said he's a wide receiver one that just happened to be on the team with another number one. There are a few instances.
a few a few other teams that also benefit benefit from this situation.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure what the reporter is doing. And the reporter who understands the game of football and has been able to watch T and Chase together should know that and know better.
That he's a one.

Speaker 4 If he was to leave there,

Speaker 4 he would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is. It just so happens he have Jamar Chase on the other side of him.
But anyway.

Speaker 4 Well, we look at, we look at, let me ask you a question. Yeah.
When Pastor Taine lined up, who Pastor Taine going to? He going to Chase or he going to T. Higgins?

Speaker 4 If he's following he's going to chase

Speaker 4 okay salt gardener stingly

Speaker 4 if he's following he's going he's going to chase

Speaker 4 so why wouldn't it

Speaker 4 i i i understand i understand what you're saying that's that's that's the thing now oh joe it didn't used to be no qb one it was the start of the quarterback it was no qb it was no wide receiver wide receiver one it was it was wide receiver it was michael irvin sterner sharp uh uh uh uh jared rice uh uh randy blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 Keo. Now they got all these things, wide receiver, one, black.

Speaker 4 Hold on, hold on, now. Hold on.
Ain't no all. Now, there are only a few teams like that.

Speaker 4 The Eagles, that's wide receiver one A and one B. The Bengals, that's wide receiver one A and one B.
What they did over there with Cooper Cup and Puka Nacour, that was wide receiver one A and one B.

Speaker 4 Now, what they will do is they will take some of your production, your opportunities away from you and make it look like it's something wrong with you and make you look like wide receiver two when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business and how they work your ass ass up out of there.

Speaker 4 But let me, this is why I look at it, Ocho. Talk to me.

Speaker 4 Why didn't they give

Speaker 4 if Jalen Waddle was the equivalent of Tyreek? Why didn't they give him the same type of money that they gave Tyreek?

Speaker 4 If Devontae Smith was the same, was the equivalent receiver, so why did they give T. Higgins 40 million? Wait,

Speaker 4 you know, you can't work like that now. Come on, no.

Speaker 4 He wide receiver one. Wide receiver one, get wide receiver one money.

Speaker 4 Right. Yeah.
And listen,

Speaker 4 we can argue that can argue we can argue too but listen normally normally when we talk about wide receiver one and we talk about wide receiver two there is an enormous drop off in skill and talent enormous now you got two receivers that get it done totally two totally different ways are you saying are you are you saying are you saying there's no drop hold on i want to make sure i'm here yeah there's a drop off i said enormous no no no it's extravagant

Speaker 4 extravagant drop-off from your one and you're two. There's a reason the person is a one and there's a reason the other person is a two.
Now you got two receivers. Let me finish.

Speaker 4 You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do. High point,

Speaker 4 short, intermediate, long balls. Now both of them do all of them really well.
I think one of the few things that Chase might have on

Speaker 4 is that goddamn run after the catch. My God.

Speaker 4 And that's also because

Speaker 4 his background at playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that.
Every time he get the ball,

Speaker 4 he like a damn running back. He bouncing off people, playing ping-pong.
I mean, listen, you touch me, I'm going down.

Speaker 4 You touch me, I'm going down. I'm making a business decision.
So

Speaker 4 I'm glad he got paid.

Speaker 4 I think he earned the right. I mean, the way he played, he had been exemplary the whole while there.

Speaker 4 They made him play under the tag. He played under the tag.
He caught nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown. He was going to be well over 1,000 yards.
And so they compensated him.

Speaker 4 I love when teams reward their players for work put in. Now, Ocho, I've already paid you for what you've done.
Right. Now, for me to give you this money,

Speaker 4 they're not paying Chase for

Speaker 4 the triple crown. Right.
Because they paid him that. They're paying him for moving forward.
We believe you're going to put up numbers equivalent to that, if not better.

Speaker 4 I can't pay. I can't.
How do I paid you?

Speaker 4 It wasn't like he didn't get a salary ojo and now we got to make up for what we didn't give him he got paid right with that being said i believe chase they believe chase is gonna put up numbers equivalent to if not better than what he put up last year so i'm going to pay you accordingly yeah yeah

Speaker 4 and uh

Speaker 4 That was a good one. And he's earned it.
Yeah. Absolutely.
Gee, he's earned it. I'm glad he didn't have to go.

Speaker 4 I'm glad he didn't have to go to get some because so many times we see guys put, oh, put the work in, put the work in, and then they got to go somewhere else to get, get rewarded, get to get the appreciation that I should have got from the club that drafted me.

Speaker 4 You thought enough for drafting me. You know, that's why I tell people a lot of times what I love about Dan Reeves.
He was smart enough to draft me, but somehow forgot to cut me.

Speaker 4 The Bengal. Oh, you really loved T.
You did your homework. You took him in the second round.

Speaker 4 But now he gives you all those great years and

Speaker 4 you want to let him you're gonna let him move on right and you're gonna let his because he ain't in his prime yet so now the next four years is really gonna be you know his prime and you're gonna let somebody else reap that benefit because you cheap yeah so i was glad they finally you know you know what the funny thing i think a lot of people haven't talked about they really don't know is the person that's pulling the strings behind closed doors the person with the power the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really nine.

Speaker 4 Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that.

Speaker 4 We talk about T going here, no matter what I've said, no matter what people on ESPN, no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter.

Speaker 4 The person behind that clause, the closed doors who went up to management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract, or what you need to restructure.

Speaker 4 But Uno and Fi,

Speaker 4 I need that back.

Speaker 4 Come hella high water.

Speaker 4 If you like that Joe Burrow and how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it They didn't I mean young young bull ain't playing not by them two you know what I love Ocho the fact that he was outspoken about it a lot of quarterbacks like yeah, we'd love to have him back, but that's not my call right he said no, we need him back Oh, his dad.

Speaker 4 He's like hey, they've earned they he's like they've earned they've earned the right. He said and he said the same thing about Trey Hendrickson.

Speaker 4 It seems like they're a little bit more open to trading Trey than potentially bringing him back, but that's something we'll discuss at a later date in time.

Speaker 4 But he came on first take and he was very, hey, I want them to pay Chase. Chase has earned that.
I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do.

Speaker 4 And I want him back. None of that.
Hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but you know, I don't make that decision. I'm just a quarterback.
No.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 And so

Speaker 4 I love that

Speaker 4 part about him. Oh, Joe, a key factor in the Jamar Chase T.
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Speaker 4 Beyond the public comments, Burrow applied private pressure, making it clear deals must get done for both. If since it failed, it could have gotten very, very interesting.
Yeah, hey, listen,

Speaker 4 listen, I'm glad that we just brought that up. And I just said it ahead of time.
Obviously, I wouldn't have said it when all this stuff was going on.

Speaker 4 But if you understand, I've watched Joe now for a few years. I've seen him up in person.
I've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and

Speaker 4 goes on about his business and his approach to the game and how serious he takes it.

Speaker 4 cont in order to continue playing at an elite level you have to have elite talent around you and you understand that especially offensively in order to keep that going and continue to to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go we already know what the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a sunday in order to get there especially san francisco i need my i need my two i need my uno i need my five

Speaker 4 And I don't know what we need to do.

Speaker 4 I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen. Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think sometimes that quarterbacks will be like, I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me.
And

Speaker 4 that's a cop out of Joe. It's a cop out to say, well, I don't get to make that decision.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I've heard that before. And you hear that a lot.
I mean, you know, Joe making 55 million. He's like, hey, y'all feel for yourself.
But he knows a part of him getting that 55 million

Speaker 4 was one in five.

Speaker 4 It is. You said it right there.
Now you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in that can't do it one in five. He'd understand.
He understands. You're gonna be upset.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's been throwing.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's pretty much been throwing a chase for what, five years, had him in college a year,

Speaker 4 missed him, and then picked it right back up. Back up, yeah.
So, with that being said, I'm glad these guys got it done. Congratulations, guys.
Well deserved.

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