Nightcap - Hour 1: Brady splits from Patriots, Tee Higgins has worst NFL contract ever & DK signs with Steelers

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Speaker 6 Tom Brady admits tension had developed with Coach Belichick during his tenure during the end of the quarterback's time with the Patriots in the latest edition of his weekly newsletter yes Brady has a newsletter.

Speaker 6 I didn't know that. Brady briefly spent some time talking about the split from the Patriots.
First, Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up finishing his career with the Patriots.

Speaker 6 His first thoughts about leaving the team happened two or three years before it actually happened.

Speaker 6 It was a creeping decision that livingly passive in the back of my mind two or three years until March of 2020 when the whirlwind of a few days made me realize that the decision was coming sooner rather than later.

Speaker 6 After 20 years together, a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and I were headed in our careers and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise.

Speaker 6 And it was kind of a tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split or one of us reassessing our priorities. Right.

Speaker 6 I mean, we can see that from a mile away.

Speaker 6 Everybody saw it.

Speaker 6 Everybody saw it.

Speaker 6 When that Seth Wickersham article came out? Yeah.

Speaker 6 And they talking about the Jimmy G. Yeah.
A matter of time. Well, listen, you understand that as a quarterback,

Speaker 6 why do you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he did when they got Jordan Love? Why do you think Brett Favre felt the way they did

Speaker 6 when they got Aaron Rodgers? Yes. The writing was already on the wall.
He understood that. Brady understood that.

Speaker 6 That's why he had to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen, I don't want this over my back.

Speaker 6 I don't want this over my shoulder. This, and I'm not comparing the situation, but as a competitor, you, Brady,

Speaker 6 you shouldn't be worried about nothing that's coming in there

Speaker 6 at all because of the decisions that

Speaker 6 Bill Belichick wanted to make as far as moving on, he was supposed to be your predecessor.

Speaker 6 Am I using predecessor in the right context? No,

Speaker 6 damn.

Speaker 6 Predecessor means he preceded. Fuck.

Speaker 6 Oh, my man.

Speaker 6 What word I'm supposed to use? My what? You like Jimmy G? Yeah. Aaron Ferret.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Hey, my bad. My bad.
Hey, my bad, Chad. I'm using big, I'm using words.
I don't even know what they mean. It sounded good, though.
It did.

Speaker 6 Hey, but anyway, you know, the competitor to him, understanding that you're on the tail and you're on the back end, end, obviously, is listen, I want to be able to play freely. I want my mind free.

Speaker 6 I don't want to be out here being hesitant, being gun shy, knowing that if I mess up,

Speaker 6 y'all going to start the whole, you know, it is only a matter of time for they start the rumors and the chants. We want Jimmy G and all that stuff.
So I understand that. I want him gone.

Speaker 6 I don't even want him here. And I know that was a Robert Kraft decision.

Speaker 6 I know it was.

Speaker 6 What happened was,

Speaker 6 is that if

Speaker 6 you study the 49ers,

Speaker 6 for the most part, after 10 years, Coach Walsh, you look at Ronnie, you look at Roger Craig, you look at a lot of the guys.

Speaker 6 Only they start. And so you start, you move off a guy.
The thought process was, Ocho, you move off a guy one year early as opposed to one year late.

Speaker 6 Coach Belichick had studied the history and says, you know what, guys start to taper off.

Speaker 6 And if we don't have that bridge, we're going to be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until they got Rothersburger from Terry Bradshaw. We're going to be like the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 6 We're going to be like a lot of these other teams,

Speaker 6 the Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't start a succession playing now, successor, air apparent, whatever you want to use the term, what Jimmy G was supposed to do.

Speaker 6 Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned is teams wait too long to find the successor or the heir apparent to said great quarterback i don't want to make that mistake i want to have a guy in place get him a couple years under his belt push him out the door the guy steps in right

Speaker 6 that's what he wanted but but tom was saying hold on ma'am i'm going to the super bowl damn near every other year every second or third year i'm still uh an mvp candidate i'm still going to pro bowls right and you talk about i'm slipping what what are you watching

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 when they redid Tom's contract and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus and gave it to him. I said, it's done.
Go back and go back and look at it. I said, it's done.

Speaker 6 I said, he's not coming back. I remember.
I remember. He ain't coming back.
He's not coming back.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 the grip, because here's the thing, Ocho. Uh-huh.

Speaker 6 When you have success, see,

Speaker 6 as long as you don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how successful you can be. There we go.

Speaker 6 It started to be a push and pull because everybody, because we talked about it all the time, who deserves more credit, Belichick or Brady? Belichick or Brady.

Speaker 6 There is no way to definitively tell unless they left. One left.
If one leaves and wins without the other, wasn't it another birthday? Dude, there it is. Right.

Speaker 6 Tom leaves, wears a championship in his first year. Yawn.
Yes, sir. Okay, now, Coach Belichick, now you get a chance to answer.
I ain't saying you got got to win one the next year, but you got to win.

Speaker 6 Right. But it went the other way.
He got to the playoffs like, okay,

Speaker 6 maybe he got something. Yeah.
But then, boom, boom, he stepped off a cliff.

Speaker 6 Tom still played at an elite level. Yes, sir.
Won the Super Bowl. He got to the playoffs every year.

Speaker 6 There you have it. Yeah.
The reason why the Patriots won was because of 1-2. Not the only reason, but now people was willing to give him more of the credit.
Credit, yeah.

Speaker 6 And also, you have to understand when 1-2 leaves, when he leaves, I leave New England, in order for Bill

Speaker 6 Patriots, Robert Craft to still have that continued success, you got to have the heir parent at the most important position on the field that touches the ball every play.

Speaker 6 You got to have one of those, huh?

Speaker 6 You have to have one of those to compete. You got to.
Yes. Now, those, those some big

Speaker 6 shoes you got to feel, but it's it, boy, that's a tall task, especially when when you talk about filling the shoes of the greatest of all time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but the thing was that I'm concerned about is that Coach Belichick had an up close and personal look at Tom, and he know how motivated he was by the slightest of slights. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 You put the biggest slight on the world on this man. It wasn't that he was drafted in the sixth round.
It wasn't that he had to start as a backup.

Speaker 6 Even after the greatness in which he had displayed for you for 20 years, you was willing to push him out.

Speaker 6 Can you imagine, Ocho? Yeah. 20 years of excellence, six Super Bowls, all those appearances, nine appearances.

Speaker 6 And you say, you know what, we appreciate your services, but we think the guy that we got behind you is better. Yeah.
So, what do you think that was going to do for Brady?

Speaker 6 If you think he was motivated by not being the first quarterback taken or one of the middle quarterbacks taken, he was taken in the sixth round.

Speaker 6 199.

Speaker 6 You just put the biggest, you've just put the biggest target on your back. Right.
Puka Nakura's NFL career is just beginning, but the wide receiver

Speaker 6 already has a retirement age in his mind as he entered his third season with the Rams. I want to retire at age 30, Puka said.

Speaker 6 The pro bo wild out explained that he wants to follow a similar path to Aaron Donald to go out on top. I think it would be super cool.

Speaker 6 By the time my kids could be 18, I could be barely walking if you played this game and you sustained all those injuries and stuff like that.

Speaker 6 Don't think like that, Puka. No, you don't.
You don't. And you won't have to worry about no injuries if you go back on our diet.
If you go back on our diet, you know, now I'm your nutritionist.

Speaker 6 You know what you came in eating when you had that historic rookie season?

Speaker 6 You know what you was eating, right? Then all of a sudden you changed it up, you know, in the offseason and you got nicked up a little bit. You know why? Because of nutrition.

Speaker 6 If it's not broke, don't fix it. Okay, I played very long time.
No injuries. And I played reckless.
I was all over the place. I was in the air.
I was on the floor. I was running people over.

Speaker 6 No injuries. If it's not broke, don't fix it.
I don't care what kind of specialist or what they give or what they put in front of you.

Speaker 6 You're going to be one of the greats.

Speaker 6 Puka also said Julio Jones is the best wide receiver in NFL history. The perfect mixture of size and speed.
Like he could run every route on the route tree. He absolutely could.

Speaker 6 And for that size, a wide receiver body, it should look like Julio Jones. Do you agree?

Speaker 6 Oh, that's a good one, huh? That's a good one.

Speaker 6 He could. Oh, yeah.
And the normal guys that come out of Alabama, Ocho, the one thing they can do,

Speaker 6 run that tree. Oh, yeah.
They can run that tree now. Calvin Ridley, Amari Cooper, Jerry Jr.,

Speaker 6 Devontae Smith,

Speaker 6 Julio, all those guys, Halvin Ridley, all those guys can run the treat. But none of them had the size that Julio had.
Yeah, he's different.

Speaker 6 Because you're looking at a guy that's 6'3 ⁇ , 225 pounds, dropping his hips,

Speaker 6 and that dig on that comeback, that speed out, the over, the skinny. He could do it all.

Speaker 6 When I think about it, you know who I view? Now, I'm going to get back to the question at hand. When I look at Jeremiah Smith, I see Julio Jones a little bit.

Speaker 6 I see Julio. I see a young Julio Jones a little bit.
So in comparison, when his time comes up, you know, him junior here leaving Ohio State, I guarantee you that's going to be his NFL comparison.

Speaker 6 Now, back to Julio being,

Speaker 6 he got to be, he's top five, maybe top 10, depending on who you ask. Yeah.
Hey, I'm talking about one of the things. It all depends on what you like.

Speaker 6 Look, for me, the three, until I'm going to have to reevaluate in another 10 years. Right.
But the top three for me is Jerry, T.O., and Randy. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 6 you can debate two and three, but Jerry is always going to be number one for me. Okay.
Okay. Now, you can debate two and three.
You like Randy? You like T.O. T.O.2, Randy 3.
Right.

Speaker 6 But Randy 3, Randy 2, T.O.3. Yeah.
So that's where it goes for me. Now,

Speaker 6 Chase and Jetta and some of these other guys, maybe CD Lamb,

Speaker 6 Tyreek, maybe going to have something to say about that.

Speaker 6 But,

Speaker 6 man,

Speaker 6 Julio was special. Julio in his prime.
Yeah. I mean, a guy that size, running 4-3, jumping out of the gym.

Speaker 6 He would very... Look, my thing is, O Choi,

Speaker 6 Julio reminded me of T.O.

Speaker 6 T.O. ran angry.
T.O. played angry.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 You want T.O. to catch a hitch? That corner ain't going to tackle it.
No.

Speaker 6 Yo. And he might take it to the house.
Yes. He might take it to the house.
Yes.

Speaker 6 You ain't never seen 81 get caught from behind. I can tell you that.

Speaker 6 He

Speaker 6 would like a T.O.,

Speaker 6 he catched that hit. If you never let him face you up,

Speaker 6 hey, you better get him while he like this here. Yeah, if he do this,

Speaker 6 yeah, and look, you and your

Speaker 6 come on, safety. I all I've been trying to do.
Hey, I'm trying to, I'm trying to shadow him. Come on, safety.
Come on, I'm gonna force him back inside.

Speaker 6 Man, Julio had a stretch there, man. Yeah.

Speaker 6 He and Matt Ryan.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they was, they was on fire. They had a real

Speaker 6 now. Real good run.

Speaker 6 They had a report. I hated that Julio had to leave.

Speaker 6 But, you know, it's like anything, Ocho. You pay, you pay, you pay, you pay, you pay.
If you don't win a Super Bowl, you're going to have to break it up. You saw what the 49ers had to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 You see

Speaker 6 even

Speaker 6 Kansas City. You know, you lost Justin Reeves.
Remember, you lost

Speaker 6 Legeria Sneed.

Speaker 6 You can't play everybody, Ocho. Yeah.
Oh, you see, Joe Tooney, they had to let him go.

Speaker 6 Damn.

Speaker 6 They had Ritchell Schwartz and they had Wiley. They had to let those guys go.
You can't pay everybody.

Speaker 6 You just hope that while we're paying these guys, we can get a bowl or two. Because if you get a bowl, it's worth it.

Speaker 6 It's worth it. Because they're so hard to come by.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 no, hey. Yeah, but Pooh, hey,

Speaker 6 everybody says that now. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's different because AD was in the trenches getting doubled every damn play. And he said, man, I just, hey, I don't want to put that kind of time in again.

Speaker 6 And you see where this receiver money going? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Hey, I'm going to play as long as they, as long as they're sending our checks, I'm going to play.

Speaker 6 Especially if I go out. I'm not going to embarrass myself though, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 6 If I'm out there, if all of a sudden I go from catching 80, 90 balls and they're talking about, hey, we want you to be the fourth receiver.

Speaker 6 I'm up out of there. That's it.
Hey, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Speaker 6 I can't do that.

Speaker 6 But what you think about me going back to play? No?

Speaker 6 Nah,

Speaker 6 it's over.

Speaker 6 How do you know? It's been over

Speaker 6 for 15 years. It's been over.
I know, but I just got the phone call. So I'm just curious.
Nah, that's your, they say you need to pay your easy pass.

Speaker 6 They call you riding the hov load that's the that's the only people calling your ass

Speaker 6 man ain't nobody ain't nobody calling you the pushback that's a young man game man that lateral stuff you oh joe you know what you probably still could run straight ahead it's oh i know i i can i can i can run straight ahead fast as hell it's that lateral yeah your whole thing was predicated on lateral quickness uh-huh slipping Getting up out of there, dipping

Speaker 6 that and dipping that skin. Hey, because what a guy do, hey, you

Speaker 6 because you never, hey, you played on angles. Your whole thing was to never give him your whole, don't give him this.

Speaker 6 Oh, never. I'm slipping.
I'm sliding.

Speaker 6 I'm dipping.

Speaker 6 It's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 6 See, I can't say I can't do it no more. It's hard, man.
And that's the thing with people don't understand. Guys can still run fast.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Straight land.

Speaker 6 But as a receiver, you need lateral quickness. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 To get up out of there. And if you don't, if you don't, if you don't have that lateral quickness, you got to be good.
You got to be good with your hands

Speaker 6 and your technique with somebody up in front of you. Or you got to be big, like a TO that played through contact.
Calvin Johnson, play through contact. Julio, play through contact.

Speaker 6 If you're smart, that tug and pull. Unknown, I still don't understand.
T.O. used to do it.
Brandon Marshall used to do it. Julio Jones used to do it.

Speaker 6 They welcome the contact and want you to grab. And And they put from the inside, they pull and tug you right through.

Speaker 6 And I tried that tongue and pull shit one time in practice.

Speaker 6 I ended up opening it on the sideline with the dog.

Speaker 6 First of all, Joe, you need to, if you think about the guys that you said that, look how tall they are. Yeah.
To be able to reach. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Now you're talking about guys 220, 225, 230. that are able to play through contact.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 See, your whole thing is like, you trying to play on edges. You ain't trying to get physical with nobody.
Oh, no. Because, hey,

Speaker 6 if they stab,

Speaker 6 well, hey, I show hope cars and listen to that other, look at that other side.

Speaker 6 They got me.

Speaker 6 Well, TJ was just the opposite. TJ wanted to play through contact.
Yeah, he liked that. TJ was a big physical receiver.
Yeah, he liked that. Yeah.
So

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Speaker 6 Oh, Joe, the Giants reportedly haven't given up on Aaron Rodgers despite signing Jameis Winston.

Speaker 6 Following Rogers' visit to the Steelers on Friday, the G-Men reportedly haven't stopped their pursuit of the 41-year-old.

Speaker 6 Jeremy Fowler reports the Giants have not given up on Aaron Rodgers, even though they signed Jameis Winston. But reading the tea leaves here,

Speaker 6 it looks like the Steelers are in the poll position to potentially get it done. The Giants signed Winston to a two-year, $8 million deal.
Excuse me.

Speaker 6 Hey, just hours after Rodgers' meeting with the Steelers. Ocho, do you see the Steelers

Speaker 6 as a proper landing spot, or is it the Giants?

Speaker 6 Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

Speaker 6 Me,

Speaker 6 I can't really put myself in Aaron Rodgers' shoes, but if you look at the landscape of the offense on where I would prefer to be, Malik Nabors is nice. Yeah.
He's nice. That is one.

Speaker 6 That's one good one to throw to. But you got two good ones over there with the Steelers.
Correct. Me personally,

Speaker 6 I would be choosing over there with Arthur Smith, George Pickens, and DK Metcalf. Let me get some of that.

Speaker 6 Let me get some of that. That's if I'm Aaron Rodgers.
And understanding what he could do with two dynamic receivers like that, just get the ball out your hand. That's all.

Speaker 6 Just get the ball out your hands.

Speaker 6 I'm not sure who they have in running back. Just take some of the pressure off of Aaron so he ain't back there throwing the ball 100 times a game.
But

Speaker 6 if I was a quarterback,

Speaker 6 I'm trying to go over there with that, with the crash. I call them the Crash Out Brothers.

Speaker 6 The Giants doesn't make a whole lot of sense because why would you sign Aaron Rodgers and Jameis Winston and potentially?

Speaker 6 That means if you do that, Ocho, that means you're not going to get a quarterback.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, yeah. And maybe they're just talking.
Maybe that's all smoking mirrors. Maybe.
Maybe, maybe it's all smoke and mirrors.

Speaker 6 Because what the Giants are going to do, they're going to need a quarterback for the future.

Speaker 6 Yes. If they sign in Jameis Winston to a one-year, they mean they signed two

Speaker 6 to a one-year.

Speaker 6 You got to make up your mind. You got to make up your mind.

Speaker 6 So, where did that, so, so, if if if Rogers goes to Pittsburgh or so where does that lead Russell Wilson Cleveland

Speaker 6 that's a possibility that that that is that's a that is a possibility that's the only place I see because Geno Smith is at the uh the Raiders now

Speaker 6 Sam Donnell is at Seattle. I'm trying to figure out where else could he go who else needs a quarterback

Speaker 6 They just put uh uh uh

Speaker 6 Jones and Indy

Speaker 6 to challenge to challenge Richardson. So I'm looking at the landscape old show.
I'm trying to figure out where can he go. Yeah,

Speaker 6 that's it. That's it.
I really don't like what they did. Well, I kind of like it and I don't like it.

Speaker 6 From a competitive standpoint, I don't like what they're doing to Richardson, but I also like it because now that you have somebody to push you

Speaker 6 and buying for your job, maybe that gets you to play at a higher level. Because now you have something to worry about.
But also, sometimes it's pros and it's cons to that too.

Speaker 6 Because now what happened if you press? What if it would happen if you try too hard? What if you try not to make mistakes instead of just playing freely?

Speaker 6 I think it'll do more harm than good when you,

Speaker 6 I think, I don't think they like, I don't think they like Anthony Richardson for the future. Oh, Joe.

Speaker 6 They knew he was a reclamation project.

Speaker 6 He was not a high completion percentage guy in college.

Speaker 6 He wasn't a high. He came in.

Speaker 6 His completion percentage was lower than Tebow's. And we know Tebow did not have a great completion percentage.
That's

Speaker 6 in the NFL. I'm just, I'm just, just the facts.
Right. Just the facts.
And the mere fact that they went out and got signed

Speaker 6 Jones. What's his name? What's his first name? Daniel Jones.
Yeah. What does that tell you? And they gave him 14 million.
How are they going to pay the backup more than they pay the starter? Right.

Speaker 6 What are they telling you, Ocho? Yeah, they're tired of your bull drive. Uh-huh.

Speaker 6 14 million.

Speaker 6 You see what they gave Jameis Winston backup money? You see what they give other backup money?

Speaker 6 Chat. Stop talking about

Speaker 6 cousins. Cousins was brought in to be a starter.
He happened to be the backup because he lost his job.

Speaker 6 Can you answer me something? Yeah. Why they give

Speaker 6 Jameis Winston one for eight or two for eight? Was it one for eight or two for eight? Two for eight.

Speaker 6 Okay, so

Speaker 6 why they gave him 14?

Speaker 6 Why do you think?

Speaker 6 They surmise he's going to be the starter. No, or does it have anything to do with age?

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 because here's the thing, Ocho. The guys like, hold on, if I'm coming in,

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 they want you to know. They want Anthony Richardson to know.
Stop telling me to be your backup. Did you feel we paid him? We paid him more than you.

Speaker 6 Now all this come come late, leave early.

Speaker 6 All this bull, the stuff that you've been doing, it ain't gonna go no more. I got a question.

Speaker 6 Hold on. Hold on.
I got a question for you. Who's the backup in Indy right now?

Speaker 6 Daniel Jones. Now, what did Daniel Jones show us the last two places he was at? He didn't show us nothing, Minnesota, because he didn't get in.

Speaker 6 My point exactly. So with the Giants, he had flashes.
He had flashes of brilliance.

Speaker 6 I'm not even going to say he didn't lie. I'm not going to lie to you.
But obviously. The Giants were in a position where it was either Barkley at a position that they don't value,

Speaker 6 or it was

Speaker 6 Daniel Jones. So they decided to pay, and they decided to pay Daniel Jones.
But the small sample size and what we saw from him, I mean, he ain't the goddamn answer.

Speaker 6 He's not, and that's no disrespect to him. He's not the answer.

Speaker 6 But I think that it's a good thing. Again, like I said, there's pros and cons to it.
You bring in some competition.

Speaker 6 Most players, if you're competitive, oh man, this suck ain't finna beat me out my job. No way.
You ain't finna beat me out of my job.

Speaker 6 I welcome you. I welcome this challenge.
You talking about you don't believe in me? I got you. Hold on.
Man, I wish they would have thought about drafted, bringing somebody in, Ocho.

Speaker 6 You in your third, you about to be in your third year, and they bringing a quarterback in. Ocho.
Man, please.

Speaker 6 That better be

Speaker 6 you're 12, you're 14.

Speaker 6 Now, that's different. You know, you know, the third year is you're making a break a year, right? Yes.

Speaker 6 The third year at any skilled position is the year you have arrived, where it's going to let us know if you've arrived or not.

Speaker 6 Either you got it or you don't by that point. So I'm assuming right now the Indianapolis coach feel, you know what, we don't feel Anthony Richardson has it just yet.

Speaker 6 So we're going to bring in someone else that maybe can take over. But what we saw from the person they're bringing in to take over at one year for 14 million ain't the MF answer either.

Speaker 6 But here's the problem that you're running against. Anthony Richardson, they're like, I got to make a decision.
You see what quarterbacks making after the third year? Okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 6 I need to know. Right.
I can't, I can't see, I can't invest $300 million and I'm still,

Speaker 6 you can't still be a project

Speaker 6 with $300 million

Speaker 6 guaranteed with that kind of money. You can't, Ocho.
So they got to make a decision.

Speaker 6 And if he's not,

Speaker 6 I got to go back into the draft because I'm not going to pay him $300 million.

Speaker 6 You see what you just saw what Joe, what a

Speaker 6 Josh Allen got. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Come on. We can't do that now.
We can't do that.

Speaker 6 Now, I understand what the quarterback market is, but Anthony Richardson, when it's his time to get paid, he's not going to be one of the quarterbacks that reset the market like a Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or

Speaker 6 CJ Stroud. Let's see what CJ Stroud gets.
Oh, now CJ Stroud is different. That's my point.

Speaker 6 Now you're seeing my point. Okay.
Where if he's the guy, I've got to pay this number. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 Now, being the starter and having to pay for actual play is two totally different things.

Speaker 6 But still, even if that, you're going to have to pay him in excess. Is he going to be worth, okay, Sam Darnold got three years, 105 million? Are you going to pay him 35 million a year, OJo?

Speaker 6 And still be uncertain?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 See, that was the front. The quarterback, that mark.
See, Ocho, you can't pay that guy five, six million dollars to be your starter.

Speaker 6 It's in the 30s. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Hey, ooh, hey, you're in a tough spot. I'm hoping this is his year.

Speaker 6 I'm hoping this is his year. You got to get it.

Speaker 6 And I know you're going to see this. Take it in stride, baby.
Take it as a challenge. Got you.
What are you looking for? Dak is on the cusp of passing Romo.

Speaker 6 Dak needs six games this season to jump Tony Romo to have the second most career starts in a franchise history, trailing only Troy Aikman. That's a lot of mileage.

Speaker 6 He'll be 32 and has missed 30% of the last five years. And this year, the Cowboys invest in a potential heir.

Speaker 6 Now remember, Cooper Rush is gone. He's in Baltimore.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 6 I don't know. I don't know.
With the way Jerry Jones operates, I have no idea what they're going to do. I can't even tell you.

Speaker 6 Now, I know Dak has missed 30% of playing time to do the injury, unfortunate injuries, but this is football. It's a contact sport.
It's a violent sport.

Speaker 6 Injuries are going to happen. Injuries happen at every position.
Sometimes, even though you try to prevent it, it's almost impossible. The NFL has done all they can do to make the game safer.

Speaker 6 Injuries still happen.

Speaker 6 And they're going to continue to happen. Yeah, always, always.
And as far as him finding an air, it ain't nothing out there to look for or find right now anyway. True.
It's not.

Speaker 6 It's not. And Dak is only 32.
I'm not sure how long he will want to play, but he got a long way to go, especially at the quarterback position.

Speaker 6 Fight in the air, if you're going to do it, it ain't right now.

Speaker 6 So, what are they going to do? I mean, look, Ocho, that making 60 mil.

Speaker 6 60 mil, Ocho. I need championship.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I need a championship game.
I need to get to the Super Bowl. Playoff, yeah, yeah.
More than playoffs. I can't be one and done.
Right.

Speaker 6 I can't get just to the division around, Ocho. Right.

Speaker 6 You're right. What am I getting for that 60 million? That $249.5 million that's guaranteed.
What do I get for that?

Speaker 6 Well, listen, that's $60 million. Obviously, you wouldn't have to pay that if you paid him ahead of time.
You made him play out his whole contract. And listen, this is what you get.

Speaker 6 This is what you get. Dallas did that.
Jerry did that. Stephen Jones did that.
You can get it. They're doing it with Micah.

Speaker 6 Oh, man. Listen.

Speaker 6 One thing about it. One thing about a cat.

Speaker 6 wait a minute, I forgot to quote that fast.

Speaker 6 What about a cat? You gonna land on his feet? Nah, but

Speaker 6 I'm trying to use the analogy, a leopard never changes stripes.

Speaker 6 If they've done one thing, one way, all the time, regardless of who the player is, they're going to continue to do it the same way. That's why you keep getting the same results.

Speaker 6 I'm going to do

Speaker 6 everything at the last minute.

Speaker 6 Well, here's the thing. You do that, and the guy, you got to pay pay extra yeah you again but you just you just you do

Speaker 6 you doing that with micah yeah

Speaker 6 yeah you see the market exploding yeah

Speaker 6 and listen while the market exploding they're going to have to make him the highest paid anyway at his position

Speaker 6 i don't know what you're waiting on you might as well get it done now jamar chase brought his dream lamborghini this week after his historic deal check out this ride ojo Yeah, he says he's dreamt of buying this car for over 10 years.

Speaker 6 He raced T. Higgins around Miami.
Ocho, how come they ain't call you? You got, you got a whip, Ocho? Is that a McLaren? Is that a McLaren that T got? Yeah, yeah. T got a green McLaren.

Speaker 6 I was with Chase before I left to go to New Orleans to watch Alvin Ellie. So Chase was with me.
I saw it. They're very nice, Lambo.
Remember,

Speaker 6 I had a roaster too

Speaker 6 during my plan days. Obviously, I have a Ferrari now, but that's too much.
That's too much car and it's too loud for me anyway. You know, you get to a certain age.

Speaker 6 You don't want to hear that kind of noise. Yeah.
But it's a beautiful thing in person. Uh, you know, Chase was at McGrath, my house, okay.

Speaker 6 We sat there for two hours, man. We talked about talking about a deal, talked about the contracts.
We talked about, man, we talked about everything, so it was a good time. Uh, I'm a Ferrari guy.

Speaker 6 I mean, no disrespect to Lamb. I'm a Ferrari guy.
They got that new Ferrari. What's that new Ferrari? They got a supercar now, Ocho.
I think they said they're making $799 and they're $4 million.

Speaker 6 Right,

Speaker 6 wait,

Speaker 6 wait, wait, come again? $4 million.

Speaker 6 Man, go ahead, man.

Speaker 6 Go ahead. Bad, look here.
I ain't got nothing.

Speaker 6 But I can't buy the car no time soon. Yeah, I mean, we in the same boat.
Hey,

Speaker 6 I have another.

Speaker 6 I got a 2013 Range Rover, got less than 37,000 miles on it. Hey, do you even drive that?

Speaker 6 The F-80. They got an F-80 super, it's a supercar, right? About 1,200 horsepower.

Speaker 6 You don't even need all that. I'm just saying a person.
Oh, no.

Speaker 6 I'm saying the person, unless you're a car collector, you don't need that. Unless you're a chic, or you're over there in Dubai or

Speaker 6 now, I can see

Speaker 6 that's a different kind of money.

Speaker 6 You look

Speaker 6 why I can't see it because I can't see four million dollars. That's why I can't see it.

Speaker 6 Listen, all you need, all you need is an FA Spider. You need to open a damn car, you crazy.
Listen, I got a simple FA spider. That's enough.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 One day, a Sunday, a Saturday, I want to go out, hear the noise, enjoy it, pull up to a brunch spot, eat, enjoy, smoke my cigar, go home. Outside of that, I can't do it every day.

Speaker 6 It's too much noise, huh? Well, I just thought that. That noise is aggravating me.
The heir to the Red Bull fortune just bought the former

Speaker 6 F1 Egglestone. He bought his collection.
$650 million.

Speaker 6 My goodness.

Speaker 6 I mean, he got Michael Schumachers. He got the Michael Schumachers that he won the seven title.
Nikki Lauder. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, he got.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I could imagine.

Speaker 6 Even if I had 4 million,

Speaker 6 which I don't, even if I had 4 million, and let me re-emphasize that again, I don't.

Speaker 6 You ain't buying that for the buying no car for that.

Speaker 6 Hold on. But wait, if you were an extensive car collector like the J-Life and the Rick Rosses, then you would.
Let me tell you what I'm extensive. Money collector.
And I ain't got a 4 million.

Speaker 6 That's what I'm trying to collect. I'm trying to collect money and I ain't collected enough of it yet.
But look, I ain't got no problem with that, don't y'all?

Speaker 6 Look, you and I both, when we grew up and we saw people purchasing things, man,

Speaker 6 20,000, ain't no way I pay 20,000 for that. Right, right, right, right.
When you get, it's easy to say what you won't do when you ain't got it because when you when you can't do it, right?

Speaker 6 But when you can,

Speaker 6 you do things that you never thought you would because you didn't think you'd be in this position. Position, right?

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 but no,

Speaker 6 congratulations. Enjoy it.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's the whole purpose of it.
You know, man, I might buy yourself something.

Speaker 6 What's the purpose of working as hard as you can't get at least one or two things that you enjoy? Be it a car, be it a watch, be whatever the case may be.

Speaker 6 Enjoy it. Listen, enjoy the fruits of your labor, huh?

Speaker 6 But don't get lost in the lifestyle.

Speaker 6 Don't get lost and become handicapped to the lifestyle in general it's okay to enjoy the fruits you labor because you work hard to get where you're at yeah and you know you know you know i had to give chase that talk i talked to t higgins the following day you know don't don't get lost in it you can enjoy it there is nothing and i know all the nfl players gonna see this chase i know you're gonna see this t higgins and anybody else that's gonna get paid micah you next

Speaker 6 There is nothing you can buy. I don't care how much money your owners pay you.

Speaker 6 Nothing you can buy that is more valuable than your name.

Speaker 6 Nothing. When you get out that car and you take off them clothes and you take all them, that jury and you look in the mirror, boy, that's the true value, boy.
You hear me?

Speaker 6 You ain't got to do nothing to impress nobody. When you go to the club, you ain't got to pop no bottles.
You ain't got to buy no sections.

Speaker 6 Huh? Because all the chicks, they done Google how much you making already. You ain't got to do Nathaniel.

Speaker 6 Listen to me. I'm telling you, I've been in the game 40 years and still got all my chicken.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 6 i got hey hey

Speaker 6 you got to talk for me i got the pp go

Speaker 6 but hey chase you worrying that one bro you say you've been thinking about this car for 10 years

Speaker 6 there you are you you got your rookie contract put that up hey i'm going to get me something nice

Speaker 6 got him a lambo and it's nice a fake cj stroud got into his houston rodeo for free for pretending to be stroud he even had the Texans fans taking pictures with him. Oh, Joe, look at this.

Speaker 6 Hey, hey, that's funny.

Speaker 6 Now they had to put us in the other door.

Speaker 6 The security is let us in my camera. Because I couldn't go someplace door.
No good.

Speaker 6 Hey, see, babe.

Speaker 6 I was expecting a song. Okay,

Speaker 6 and big guns on your colour. Try some night.
Love you, dog.

Speaker 6 Hey, can you take a seat and both?

Speaker 6 My kids,

Speaker 6 I just got excellent rodeo for free when looking like CJ Stroud.

Speaker 6 Why the hell would CJ Stroud be wearing his jersey? in public or his shirt in general. I mean,

Speaker 6 you would have to be a true, a true football fan.

Speaker 6 A true football fan to actually know, man, stop playing. I ain't no C.J.
Stroud. Now, you do look like it, and you can fool a whole lot of people, huh?

Speaker 6 That don't know exactly who he is, but just know, all right, I know he looks like the quarterback, but I don't know if it's really him or not.

Speaker 6 So that's why he was able to get away with that. But listen, a true football fan, you ain't fooling nobody.
You ain't fooling me. You know.

Speaker 6 i was like bro

Speaker 6 i mean have you ever have you ever worn your jersey out in public me yeah absolutely not no hell no absolutely not i mean the only time prep pep rally when you were at high school you got a pep rally high school pep rally yeah i remember them days yeah hey come on i got the pep rally i actually wear that thing all day all day in school yeah you know that don't you Hey, game day, boy, don't tell me that they had that number two walking through the hallway, skipping class.

Speaker 6 That would be,

Speaker 6 yeah, you know, that'll be, but what's what's how you know? Hey, your girl wear your letterman jacket. You know what I'm saying? Don't show you.
You got a letterman jacket.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. Beach,

Speaker 6 I don't know where. Matter of fact, my ex, my ex from high school, she still got my letterman jacket.
That would be a nice gift to get back if I could get it.

Speaker 6 If I can find out what she had, I don't know where she at.

Speaker 6 And then, you know, we got all them patches down that you put this like region champs, you know, so forth and so

Speaker 6 state champs, you know.

Speaker 6 Man,

Speaker 6 this joke got a whole, this yo got a whole

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Speaker 23 I turned off news altogether.

Speaker 24 I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

Speaker 25 It's the rage bait.

Speaker 26 It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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Speaker 6 A $20 million roster bonus is earned five days after Higgins put pin to paper. The only true full guarantee at signing is a $10 million 2026 off-season roster bonus.

Speaker 6 The Bengal Matter, a year-to-year option that can pay him $35.9 million for the 2025 if he dresses for every game and earns $2 million per game roster bonus.

Speaker 6 And they can move on before the 2026 base salary become fully guaranteed is not guaranteed for injury because the 10 million dollar guaranteed 20 2026 roster bonus has offset language they likely owe him nothing if they were to cut him after one year since he'd likely make more elsewhere yeah man listen one thing about it that language that language always gets tricky boy That language that they put in there, it always gets tricky.

Speaker 6 And the way you just said it, listen, I'm, I'm, I, oh, man,

Speaker 6 I don't even know what what to say i i don't even know what to say he wanted well you know i'll help you out he wanted to be there yeah because this is a bulljo contract you know it that's why you speechless listen listen man listen i'm happy to pay

Speaker 6 he wanted to be there i'm happy to pay him a dog he wanted to be there i mean i hate that i i can't i can't be mad at him joe because that's it that's his decision he wanted to be there He wanted to play with Joe.

Speaker 6 He wanted to play alongside Chase. That's the only team.
That's the team that drafted him and he felt some sort of loyalty. But everybody that heard what I just read, y'all know that contract is

Speaker 6 bulldog. But that's what he wanted.
So I can't, I can't, oh, Joe, we can't be mad. That's not us.
Listen,

Speaker 6 I don't know. I don't know who your attorney was, but my agent would have never let me sign this contract.
I had Drew. I had the shark.
I had Drew. I had Drew.
I had Drew.

Speaker 6 But listen, I'm going to be happy for him. Regardless of what's in that language, the band is back together.

Speaker 6 I don't like the business side of things, huh? That's why I was so passionate about it from, you know, when we were talking about it, when I was on ESPN, when we on here, you know, we talked about it.

Speaker 6 I was upset. I didn't like the first time they tagged them.
I told you because to me, it was a slap in the face.

Speaker 6 Now, for the people that are part of the Bengals organization, the people that are fans of it, I understand the business side of things. That's the side I don't like.

Speaker 6 Because when you tag me, they let me know you don't value me long term. You know what? Normally, when the team tags you, you know what? We betting against you, even though you're a part of us.

Speaker 6 I'm betting against you. That's what it tells me.
Again, I love my Bengals.

Speaker 6 I love the fans, but the nature of the business is the one part I do not like, which is why I played the game like a little kid, because I want to make sure I kept it fun for me.

Speaker 6 So I didn't have to worry about that side of it. Because that side of it, it gets nasty.

Speaker 6 Read what you just wrote. Chat, you just heard it.
I don't like that side of things. I like the fact that the band is back together.
I like the fact that he got his money.

Speaker 6 Now, with the language that I just heard, ain't no telling what's going to happen. Ain't no telling what their plans are after this season.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I'm going to leave that at that. I ain't going to say no more.
I'm just happy Maddal got his money. You hear me? That's it.

Speaker 6 Got some money.

Speaker 6 He got some money.

Speaker 6 But like I said, Ocho, I...

Speaker 6 For me, I can't be mad

Speaker 6 because

Speaker 6 that's his decision. And at the end of the day, the agent can put forth as like, okay, this is what they're offering.
This is what we're going to counter back at. Hopefully we, you know, this is here.

Speaker 6 They're here. We're here.
Hopefully we land here.

Speaker 6 Because, you know, you want to try to pull somewhere to the middle, Ojo. But at the end of the day, this is T decision.
Because at the end of the day, the agent works at the behest

Speaker 6 of the player. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Team has their negotiator. Player has their negotiating.
You get in. I don't want to hear anything because, you know, a lot of times the agents shield you from all the negative stuff they're playing.

Speaker 6 I promise you, they're saying a lot of what people are saying. He's a number two.
He's not a number one. Blah, blah, blah.
Rock is shielding him for that.

Speaker 6 But hey, hey, they said, look, they want to pay you. We're just trying to get to a number that they can digest and it fits under the cap while giving you the money that

Speaker 6 they feel you deserve.

Speaker 6 while being able to go out and get other players also. So I get it.
Like I said, I believe T wanted to be there. T gave them a discount.

Speaker 6 Chad, like I said, Ocho and I don't really need to add anything else about that because at the end of the day, this was T's decision.

Speaker 6 At the end of the day, Ocho, it comes down to T. Listen.
Listen, we got to get it done. Lawrence is happy.
I talked to him. He's happy.
You know what you get.

Speaker 6 You got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, top three, right now.

Speaker 6 You know what you get. But we got to get it done.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry. We got to get it done.
We got to come out.

Speaker 6 You're a bingo fan. I mean, look, you played there.
There's a sense of loyalty because you played there. You played there for a better part of a decade.

Speaker 6 And so a lot of your roots, people associate you with being a bingo. Yeah, you had the one year

Speaker 6 in New England and other things, but that's not where they associate you. Not at all.
They're not, they're not, you didn't have a career. It's funny.
It's like,

Speaker 6 I ain't never seen anything like this, but people associate Peyton Manning with the Broncos, even though he played the largest part of his career in the coach

Speaker 6 in Indy. He played 14 years, if I'm not mistaken, in Indy, he played four years in Denver, and more people, he lives in Denver.

Speaker 6 His home base is in Denver.

Speaker 6 You see him talking about Denver. You see him at the Denver Games.

Speaker 6 The only time I've seen him go back to an Indie game, and Chad, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, is when they put the statue outside of him in front of Lucas Oil.

Speaker 6 Other than that, Peyton's at the broadcast. Hey, whoa, hey, man, speaking of, hey, I got a question.

Speaker 6 Yes. I want me a statue out there in front of Petticoat Stadium.

Speaker 6 They ain't gonna look at it. I know what I've got to do with it.
How much do you think it costs for me to put it out there?

Speaker 6 They ain't gonna put it out there. I'm gonna put it out.

Speaker 6 I'm gonna put it out there. I'm gonna pay for it and just put it out there.

Speaker 6 That's private property.

Speaker 6 That's private property. Who property it belongs to?

Speaker 6 oh mike brown

Speaker 6 i am part of the family let me tell you something if i if i had a knife right now and i was a cut if i was if i was to cut my wrist right now

Speaker 6 you know what color you know what color i believe

Speaker 6 black and orange

Speaker 6 chocolate

Speaker 6 matter of fact hey mike brown troy katie duke tobin i'm going i'm gonna wait till everybody's going in the middle of the night i'm gonna put my own statue out there about eight foot tall eight foot tall with me with me uh toe tapping on the sideline i think the people of cincinnati would love it

Speaker 6 with um endeavor we got a monument park where all the guys that have their numbers like not numbers tires but have their name up in you know in the ring of fame um you're you're in the park okay i don't want to be in the park i want to i want to be right outside the stadium like you could come by you could you can you could rub you could rub rub rub my head or something for good luck when you before you go into the game

Speaker 6 DK Metcalf spoke to Marshawn Lynch about leaving Seattle and to play for the Steelers. The grass is greener on the other side.

Speaker 6 Mocho,

Speaker 6 excuse me, considering the Steelers doesn't have a quarterback, how can he be so sure that the grass is greener on the other side?

Speaker 6 But my grandma always said the grass is green on the other side, depending on who's watering it.

Speaker 6 So now you got, now you got, now you got to hold on to that. People are going to hold on to that clip now.

Speaker 6 People going to they're going to go back to that clip. Now it don't matter who the quarterback is.
Now there are two different type of receivers.

Speaker 6 They're receivers that need a quarterback to elevate their play.

Speaker 6 And they're receivers, it doesn't matter who's that quarterback, their play will always remain at the highest level.

Speaker 6 Right. So now you get to show us which one you are, brother DK.
You know, I love you to death. I love you to death.
And I hope what you say is right. The grass being greener on the other side.

Speaker 6 Ain't a whole lot of wide receivers that can play through bad quarterbacks. DeAndre Hopkins might be the best one I've ever seen.
Quarterback carousel out this world. And then nothing changed.

Speaker 6 Not an ounce of production.

Speaker 6 Case Keenum, Hoyer, Brock Osweiler. Obviously, he had Deshaun for that great stretch, and he and Deshaun was great, but it didn't matter the quarterback.
D-Hop put up those numbers. Unbelievable.

Speaker 6 And so we're going to find out, like you said, Ocho, we're going to find out if

Speaker 6 DK, if what he said, that the grass is greener. Because, you know, look, I think the thing is, you get upset, you spend time there, you ask for contract.

Speaker 6 They won't give it to you, but you had to go somewhere else and get it. But, you know, they traded.

Speaker 6 Me, I don't get the trade.

Speaker 6 I don't get trading Sam Donald because I don't believe Sam Donald is a better quarterback than Geno Smith. That's just me personally.

Speaker 6 And then you're like, you trade Geno, you cut locket, you trade DK, now you left, now you bring in, and Grady, I think it's the same coach that called plays. I think Clint Kuviak

Speaker 6 is the

Speaker 6 OC. He was in

Speaker 6 his area in Minnesota, Ocho.

Speaker 6 I know Clint when he was about this big.

Speaker 6 His dad was my quarterback, and he's also my offensive coordinator, Gary Kubiak.

Speaker 6 But the decision that they made in Seattle, it didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But guess what, Ocho? It don't need to make sense to me.
It just needs to make sense to you

Speaker 6 damn man i i'm hey listen i'm i'm hoping it i'm hoping it work out and i'm i'm i'm thinking i'm thinking it is going to work out i like i like the dynamic duo i like dk and george pickens you know two hey listen two of my favorite crash out receivers i

Speaker 6 well you know what you know what's gonna happen if they don't get the ball oh they're gonna get it they're gonna get it arthur smith

Speaker 6 gonna make sure they get it they're gonna make sure they from i don't listen well why did he make sure Why did he make sure George Figgins get the ball last year? Hey, man, listen. You know,

Speaker 6 they're rolling covers to him. Now it's a different ball game.
Now,

Speaker 6 it's a different ball game.

Speaker 6 Okay, I hope you're right. I sure hope you're right.

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