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The Lakers fall to the magic 109.98. The Lakers win three with three losses in a row.
They lost seven out of their last 10 ball games.

Speaker 2 They lost to Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Denver. Then they won three straight, beat Phoenix, San Antonio, Denver.
Then they lost another three straight. Milwaukee, Chicago, and Orlando.

Speaker 2 The Lakers bench was outscored 30 to 14, which was an issue. The Lakers got to do a better job of guarding.
Watch this game from start to finish. They're just not guarding.
They're just not guarding.

Speaker 2 Now, look,

Speaker 2 they're about a year or two away.

Speaker 2 Orlando, Paulo Boncaro,

Speaker 2 and Franz Wagner. Yeah.
Oh, they legit. Oh, they legit legit.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 They legit legit. Bancaro had 30.

Speaker 2 Wagner had 32. And then they got Black came off the bench and gave him 17.
But they are legit. The Lakers got to do a better job of defending.
It's really that simple. They didn't shoot the ball well.

Speaker 2 They shot about 46%.

Speaker 2 They shot 28 free throws. The free throw was pretty close.

Speaker 2 10 of 32 from the three-point line. The difference was

Speaker 2 Orlando shot damn near 50% from the floor. You're not going to beat a team if you allow them to shoot 50% from the floor.

Speaker 2 But everything was really close. I mean, Orlando had 43 rebounds, 12 offensive.
The Lakers had 39, 11 offensive. But the only difference I could really see, Ocho, was that third quarter got him again.

Speaker 2 Every time. The Lakers had a two-point lead at the half, and then they get out scored in the third quarter by about 14, 16.

Speaker 2 And it's the third quarter again. JJ's going to have to push some different buttons because they come out lacks the days of course.
They let the team go on a run.

Speaker 2 And it's hard to reattach yourself to them

Speaker 2 when they get a streak like that. But give Orlando credit.

Speaker 2 They won their, and

Speaker 2 as a matter of fact, they they broke the they stopped Cleveland. They went on the road.
Cleveland had a 16, 17 game win streak. They went into their building and they won.
So

Speaker 2 they are better. that their record would indicate.
But the problem was, Ben Carroll got hurt at one point in time. Wagner got hurt at one point in time.

Speaker 2 So they haven't been able to play extended period of time together. But this is a good team.

Speaker 2 Don't let their record fool you. But the Lakers have to be disappointed.
They got to play better. They're in fourth spot right now.

Speaker 2 They're two and a half, I think two and a half games out of the second spot. But tonight, again, it was defense.
They gave up 146 Saturday night

Speaker 2 and they gave up 118 tonight. And they had been playing really, really good defense up until that point.
Okay. Now, with everything that you said, they're in fourth,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 They lost tonight. You understand the problems and the woes that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies they want to run.

Speaker 2 You're understanding their woes coming out of halftime in the third quarter, allowing teams always going to run. Now, think about everything you just said.

Speaker 2 I want now, I want your honest answer and your honest opinion.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is still Lakers at five.

Speaker 2 Lakers and five

Speaker 2 lakers are five.

Speaker 2 Look, that's fixable. Look, that's fixable, Ocho.
That's something like, look, guys,

Speaker 2 we've got to do a better job of defending. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 And guys can't get broken down off the first dribble.

Speaker 2 You get broken down at the first dribble. Now you're compromised because help's coming.
And now they swing the ball. They're getting wide open threes or they're getting uncontested layups.

Speaker 2 So you can't get broken down off the first dribble.

Speaker 2 They got to score 34 to 18 in the third quarter.

Speaker 2 I mean, there's no, there in no way should a Lakers team that got Luka Doncich and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And if you only score 18, you better make sure they don't, they don't score more than 22.

Speaker 2 Because if you do that,

Speaker 2 and I get it, the Lakers, I think they played, what, seven games, well, at one point in time, they had seven games in 10 days. Right.
But we don't do excuses here.

Speaker 2 You either win or you lose. It's a very short on sports menu at my restaurant.
Only thing I got on my menu is dubs and L's.

Speaker 2 That's all you can order.

Speaker 2 You can't order excuses because I don't serve it.

Speaker 2 So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better in the third quarter. They're going to have to find a better way to find a better way to defend because

Speaker 2 this is not acceptable. This is not acceptable.
I mean, look at all these minuses. Dorian Finney Smith, minus six.
LeBron, minus 17. Jackson Hayes, minus 10.
Luca, minus 9. Austin Reeves, minus 7.

Speaker 2 Every starter was minus.

Speaker 2 Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus.

Speaker 2 That's not good enough.

Speaker 2 You can't win like that. There's nowhere around it.
You can't win like that. And when you take Jackson Hayes out, Braun is basically playing the five.
Too small of a lineup. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe, maybe the last two, three minutes, four minutes of a ball game, you can run this lineup. But

Speaker 2 not when they go in Bancaro, not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in Franz Wagner. You're too small.
You're just too small.

Speaker 2 Reddick admitted the Lakers look tired tonight. We weren't able to sustain the level of intensity we started the game with.
They did. They scored 30 in the first quarter, 30 in the second quarter, 60.

Speaker 2 They had a two-point lead, 60 to 50 at the half. But then again, out of the third quarter, here come Orlando.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And there you go.

Speaker 2 Same quarter every time.

Speaker 2 Needed to play some different music at the half, huh?

Speaker 2 They need to do something because this ain't getting it done. This ain't getting it done.
I mean, and uh, what's their record? So that's 50, that's 61, that's 71 games.

Speaker 2 They only got 11 games left, Ocho. Yeah,

Speaker 2 you're supposed to be gearing up. You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit on the look because at one point they were like 18 and three out, right? Had a won a bunch of games. You don't want to be sliding, going into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 You want to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 this performance performance was unacceptable. And Don Connect only played five minutes.
But I think a lot of that has to do with it. Well,

Speaker 2 his defense intensity, I mean, he needs to understand. I mean, he just gets lost.
It's like, and I can tell JJ is,

Speaker 2 JJ doesn't like minimal stakes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That irks him.

Speaker 2 Because he's a perfectionist and he wants guys like, guys, we went over this. That's why I couldn't coach.
We went over this. The guy comes.
Okay, you stay on that guy.

Speaker 2 Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy on a wide open three.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 Lakers got some problems. Um, nothing they can't solve.
They got what three more games on this road trip. I think they got a four-game road trip before they turn back to uh uh the crip.

Speaker 2 Oh, I know that hurt. That I know them.
I know that those road trips back to back

Speaker 2 Indiana.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So they got, they got, uh, they got a way.
They got, they got, they got three more games on the road, Ocho, before they turn, return home.

Speaker 2 They need to play better than what they played tonight, or what they definitely what they played against the Bulls. Yeah.
But they picked right up where they left off, not playing defense.

Speaker 2 They started with great intensity in the first half, but that waned in the third quarter, and that was really the undoing of them.

Speaker 2 AD, Anthony Davis returns after 18-game absence versus the Net in his return: 12 points, six rebounds, three assists, six or nine field goals in 27 minutes. He looked up.
Look,

Speaker 2 I don't know how many players the Lakers would have traded AD for.

Speaker 2 But you got to trade him for Luca. Yeah.
Absolutely. There ain't a whole lot of players.
A team won't trade.

Speaker 2 It's reported that they called Minnesota by Ant-Man. No.
It's reported they called Milwaukee by Giannis. No.

Speaker 2 They're not getting yoke. I'm trying to think, can you name another player? You probably couldn't get, I wouldn't break up JT and JB.
Right. But other than that,

Speaker 2 everybody's a green light.

Speaker 2 Everybody else is a green light.

Speaker 2 Everybody else is green light. So you can't feel bad.
And

Speaker 2 y'all know what I think of A.D. I love A.D.
I like him and Brian together because he was the last line of defense. He could pick, he could guard pretty much one through five.

Speaker 2 He was tremendous in the picket roll.

Speaker 2 Excellent, excellent. help side defense could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis

Speaker 2 but 32 year old ad versus 26 year old luca yeah and then obviously an injury prone ad

Speaker 2 you know

Speaker 2 which has always been an issue of his not being able to stay on the court but understanding what he gives you once he's on the court

Speaker 2 But the problem is, is you make the trade,

Speaker 2 it happens. He comes out and gives you the AD you used to, but not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court to make the fans feel like, okay, you know what?

Speaker 2 We let Luca go, but we still got AD. He's still able to come here and produce.

Speaker 2 He's not Luca, you know, by any means, but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out when he's on the court.

Speaker 2 You see him come back and

Speaker 2 have a good game tonight, you know, before until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm.

Speaker 2 So still decent tonight, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's one of the reasons, Ocho. When he stays healthy, we've seen him last year.
I think he played like 70 plus games, which is the most games he's played in a very long time.

Speaker 2 We know what AD can do. He's as skilled as anybody.
He can shoot the three.

Speaker 2 Now, he's not shooting 40%, but he got the three ball in his repertoire, mid-range game, can post it, can put it on the floor, can finish at the rim, above the rim.

Speaker 2 You file him, he's going to go to the free throw line.

Speaker 2 He's going to make 80 plus percent of his free throw so offensively and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball we're not even that's not even up for debate but like you said his injury history made it real easy right plus his age made it real easy for the lakers to say you know what

Speaker 2 Luca

Speaker 2 Luca for AD, plus we got another decade of Luca and we need superstar in order to attract. Because you look at that, when you look at their court side and you look at everybody else's court side,

Speaker 2 only the Knicks can rival them. Yeah, it's different.

Speaker 2 It's different.

Speaker 2 And it's always been different and always going to be different.

Speaker 2 And that's what you need to attract those stars that come out and watch Kizaluka.

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Speaker 2 Dark River says he doesn't get enough credit for winning three games in a playoff series where he blew 3-1 leads. No one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that.
It's unfair in some ways.

Speaker 2 I don't get enough credit for winning those three games. I get credit for losing.
I always say, what if we had lost to Houston in six? No one cares.

Speaker 2 One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept. All coaches have been swept in the playoffs.
My team achieved, a lot of them overachieved, and I'm proud of that.

Speaker 2 Did he say this out loud? Yeah, I'm not sure. Hold on.
He said this so somebody can write it. Wait,

Speaker 2 is this really his quote?

Speaker 2 I mean, I was like,

Speaker 2 are we happy about losing, but the fact that we didn't get swept,

Speaker 2 is that satisfying? Is this some type of moral victory or something? I'm just curious. It's more embarrassing that you had a 3-1 lead and you couldn't win another game.
Hey,

Speaker 2 I just want to know how you feel about it.

Speaker 2 Come on, man. Doc.

Speaker 2 Come on. Doc, you know what? I wouldn't even say nothing.
I said, yeah, hey, that's on me. Yes, I've had a 3-1 lead in five or six series, and we weren't able to get it done.

Speaker 2 I've got to do a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done.

Speaker 2 I would have never, ever said, I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five. Right.
Doc, you came in and there used to be a best of five.

Speaker 2 As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember that used to be a best of three.

Speaker 2 Yes, they were a best of three. And because you had a best of three, a best of five.
The Eastern Western Conference was the best of seven. So was the NBA Finals.

Speaker 2 So Doc, if you had won three games and a best of five, you got a ton of credit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But in a seven-game series, it's the first of four, not the first of three.

Speaker 2 Doc said that.

Speaker 2 Doc said that out loud i'm just and then you know what also i'm just want to ask you do you really think this is his quote is it from a reliable source yes him he's talking yes it's in quotes yeah that's what he said

Speaker 2 it's it's to mark spears he said no one's tells the real story and i'm fine with that it's unfair in some ways i don't get enough credit for getting those three wins

Speaker 2 You don't get credit for winning games. You get credit for winning series.

Speaker 2 If it's MCA,

Speaker 2 you get credit for winning games.

Speaker 2 One, one, in one shot, but not in a series, not where it takes four. Right.
Come on, doc. You doc.
Doc is too much of a student of the game.

Speaker 2 Doc has too much basketball, high-level IQ to ever say something like this to have it printed.

Speaker 2 Lord, have mercy.

Speaker 2 Uh-oh.

Speaker 2 How oh, Joe, that'd be like, that would be the equivalent of DQ said, hey, I don't get enough credit for having a 28-3 lead on the Patriots. I don't get enough credit for that.

Speaker 2 Because I did have a lead. You know what? How many coaches ever had a 25-point lead in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 What good is that? You lost. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're right. That's the same thing when the Houston, those Orlanders, had that big lead

Speaker 2 against Buffalo. Yeah.
A lead? You're talking about a lead. Not winning the game, but we had a lead.

Speaker 2 It's even more embarrassing that in the first to four, you won three games and you lost the series still.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I need more context to the conversation. Because the way it's being worded, it doesn't sound like, come on, doc, would you really say something like that? Would you really want credit for winning?

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 three, he has the most blown 3-1 leads in NBA history? Oh, he's saying, Y'all not giving me credit for winning three games. Nah, and that ain't the way it works.
Ain't nobody who gets credit.

Speaker 2 That ain't the way it worked, though.

Speaker 2 In nothing, in nothing you do in life.

Speaker 2 He had a uh against the Celtics in 23, a 3-2 lead, lost. 2020 against the Nuggets in the bubble, 3-1 lead, lost.
2015, the Rockets.

Speaker 2 He was at the Clippers at the time.

Speaker 2 Lost.

Speaker 2 2012 against the Heat. 3-2 lead.
Lost. 2010 against the Lakers.
3-2. Lost.

Speaker 2 2009 against the Magic. 3-2.
Lost.

Speaker 2 2003. Pistons.
3-1. Lost.

Speaker 2 My goodness.

Speaker 2 Listen,

Speaker 2 what are we supposed to do, Deljo? The difficulties of being a coach.

Speaker 2 The difficulties of being a head coach at the highest level. Here's the question.

Speaker 2 The question Mark Spears asked him, how do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media from losing three one Series leads four times?

Speaker 2 Doc quote was a direct response to what he was asked by Mark J. Spears.

Speaker 2 How do you feel with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media? So I guess ain't nobody else criticizing, huh?

Speaker 2 You don't think other coaches talk about damn doc?

Speaker 2 You don't think players say. So what you think? I get it.
Blaming the media.

Speaker 2 Blame social media. So, but we're the only ones.
A no-player. As a matter of fact, what happened when he lost the Clippers 3-1 lead?

Speaker 2 I guess management blamed him too. Yeah.
They got him up out of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Philly.

Speaker 2 What did they do? They got him up out of there. So I guess it ain't just the media and social media.
So I have a question. It's his bosses.
So hold on. Hold on.
Hold on, man. Hold on.

Speaker 2 Now, I have a question. I think now the opportunities given when it comes in the NFL is a little bit different as opposed to

Speaker 2 the NBA. Now, he's continues to get jobs for a reason.
Exactly. So you can't say.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 he's a great coach.

Speaker 2 He's a great coach.

Speaker 2 He has to be great at something there that he does because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at important times, at the wrong times.

Speaker 2 They're letting you go, but you get a job somewhere else right away like it's nothing. So there's something special about him.
Right.

Speaker 2 I don't like that answer, though.

Speaker 2 Hell no. Nobody likes that answer.

Speaker 2 If he could take it back, if he can read the quote now with a little bit of clarity

Speaker 2 and understanding. What you mean?

Speaker 2 Let me finish. I guarantee you

Speaker 2 hear worded different, hear worded differently.

Speaker 2 Because if I'm telling you,

Speaker 2 you see how you in your right state of mind are sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what the question was. He wasn't drunk.
Yeah, I hey.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, let's put up because we want to put some more comments because you think he was taking out of context. He had no idea.

Speaker 2 nice thing because once you told me what the question was, that gave me a better understanding. It was a direct question.

Speaker 2 So the answer and the quote was literally direct based on, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes they leave stuff out. Okay.
How about this here? It is what it is. It's a part of my legacy.

Speaker 2 There's nothing I can do about it. I got a team that was an eighth seed of 3-1.
That's coaching. That's not bad coaching.

Speaker 2 There are several eighth seeds that have actually won. The Denver Nuggets was the first eighth seed.
They beat the Seattle Super Silence, who was the number one seed, but we'll talk about that later.

Speaker 2 The one with the Clippers is the only one that got away, but people don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one leg in 2015 with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 And we also, the underdog in that series, when you think about it, Houston had home court, not us.

Speaker 2 So let me get it was good enough. You got, you beat them twice on their home court

Speaker 2 to get a three

Speaker 2 to get a 3-1 lead.

Speaker 2 So he was on one leg. So one leg got you a 3-1 lead.
One leg couldn't get you another win. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. How about this? We didn't have home court.

Speaker 2 Well, it goes road to your first two games at the if you're the underdog, that means the first two games at their home.

Speaker 2 So that means in order for you to get a 3-1 lead, you had to have won one game on their court. Exactly.

Speaker 2 It's on your resume, Doc.

Speaker 2 I think the best thing could have said, hey, look,

Speaker 2 it's a part of me.

Speaker 2 I wish maybe I could have done something different.

Speaker 2 Called different plays, put players in different situations.

Speaker 2 But to say I don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's a four-game series, when it's a seven-game series and it's the first to four, not the first to three,

Speaker 2 he got to miss me with that one.

Speaker 2 He got to miss me with that one. So

Speaker 2 sorry, Doc, we can't agree on that one. Oh, Lord.
Have mercy.

Speaker 2 I was hoping we'd have to do this. Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him and Prime, and he responded to us, Ocho.
Yeah. That's your problem, pimp.
You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp.

Speaker 2 I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true. Like yourself, I stand on facts.
You have yet to talk about the facts.

Speaker 2 You can easily be manipulated just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me.
Big facts. Oh, Shannon Sharp.
Safety has a short.

Speaker 2 Safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver.
You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking at you

Speaker 2 with no facts. Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro.
Hey,

Speaker 2 I ain't no answers. You like, okay, I like that.
I like that, huh? Hey, y'all, hey, y'all. Hey, listen, we can have a club Seyche, right? Listen to me.
Now stay with me. We have a club seche,

Speaker 2 DV edition,

Speaker 2 a good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style, film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have. It ain't no opinion.
He's not time. Oh,

Speaker 2 wait, wait, let me finish, baby. Let me finish.

Speaker 2 Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now. Something that's never been done before.
A format that's never been done before. Two players, actually three, because you were part of it, too.

Speaker 2 Three players. You got Prime and Santa Samuels and you.
You one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves a breakdown film.
Now, just picture this.

Speaker 2 You talk about you, you think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What you think you and Santa sitting down, you know, going over, okay,

Speaker 2 you want to prove it? Prove it. The eye in the sky don't lie.

Speaker 2 I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before.

Speaker 2 I've given Coach time and myself have given Latante samuel more attention since he's been retired than he's ever gotten after tonight i'm done with this there's nothing to debate my bad i'm not there's nobody there's no one gonna say he's in the realm of time

Speaker 2 he's in the realm of derail rivas he's in the realm of rod woodson or a charles woodson or a daryl green or a male blunt he's not i don't give a damn what he says about the film he played he played more game.

Speaker 2 He played more.

Speaker 2 Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career. Congratulations.
You're just not time.

Speaker 2 You're not time. You're not Revas.

Speaker 2 Hold on.

Speaker 2 Did he make an all-decade team?

Speaker 2 Because time made all decade, and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume.
Let's see his body of work.

Speaker 2 I complimented it. I said, time don't believe in waste emotion.
The team step worked well for Asante.

Speaker 2 I gave him a compliment.

Speaker 2 Let's see his resume.

Speaker 2 So he didn't make all decade.

Speaker 2 Four-time Pro Bowler.

Speaker 2 One-time all-pro. How many times, how many Pro Bowls did Ty make?

Speaker 2 how many all team

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 2 oh

Speaker 2 same number super bowls but one guy was a defensive player of the year one guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power

Speaker 2 how many dbs can say swung the balance of power

Speaker 2 he go to one team to keep the other team from going. He goes to the other team and keep that team from going.
Bruh, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a Pro Bowl.
You're an all-pro.

Speaker 2 You're not time.

Speaker 2 And there's no, and that's not a snot.

Speaker 2 It's okay.

Speaker 2 It's okay.

Speaker 2 But I don't know why you getting mad at me.

Speaker 2 I tell you what,

Speaker 2 go find the GM. Go find the coach.
Go find the player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do.

Speaker 2 Hell, your son won't say you better than time. And he'll junior.

Speaker 2 Just be real, man. You coming out of the wrong one you.

Speaker 2 What you doing? Where you going?

Speaker 2 I got that. What's that? I don't know what you're talking about, bro.

Speaker 2 I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career.
I say the T-step served you well. I just said you weren't tired.
That's okay.

Speaker 2 If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you were the eight-pro bowl, you're a first-team all-pro.
You're an all-decade player.

Speaker 2 You're in the Hall of Fame, but you ain't Gronk. Okay.

Speaker 2 You ain't Travis Kelsey. Okay.

Speaker 2 But you ain't going to go no other tight end than me talking about you ain't that.

Speaker 2 If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you're not bad. I ain't finna fight you, but you ain't gonna go no more.

Speaker 2 You ain't gonna go no more. Because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it.
Catches, yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game.

Speaker 2 Hey, so I hold on. I just, now that you mentioned that, when it when it comes, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in

Speaker 2 Asani's case? Or

Speaker 2 it doesn't matter. just just curious he had more pract he had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions how many pick sixes did he have

Speaker 2 all i know is when i left the game yeah i had every record that a tight end could possibly have okay ain't nobody had them but me now they done came along and broke up gonzo broke up and gates did this and gronk and this and that

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment.

Speaker 2 I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T-step T-step for him

Speaker 2 served him well.

Speaker 2 I like the convo. I like the dialogue.

Speaker 2 I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game. I wish we could dive a little bit more.
I'm obviously not here on the show. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 I'm just asking you, find the general manager, find the head coach, find the receiver, because he's talking about, he's talking like he was that.

Speaker 2 He about, I guarantee you, when you find somebody that says he's a top 10, a top 10 cornerback? If we go back and study history, top 10 corner.

Speaker 2 So, we got time, we got Revis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Daryl Green, we got Amez Williams, we got Mel Blunt.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's seven right there.

Speaker 2 Where are we going to put him

Speaker 2 in the list of all time and the history of the NFA? Is he cracking the top 10?

Speaker 2 That's your, I mean, that's your homeboy. He's falling.
I want you to tell me. You tell me.

Speaker 2 Where would you put him?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I'm asking you.

Speaker 2 I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys you are you putting him in front of?

Speaker 2 You heard me?

Speaker 2 Y'all listening. I'm asking you.

Speaker 2 Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You putting him in front of champ? You ain't answer the question.
Are you putting him in front of champ?

Speaker 2 You heard me?

Speaker 2 I'm listening, yeah. Where would you put him? Where would you rank him? No, I ask you.
No,

Speaker 2 you're asking me the question.

Speaker 2 Yes. No, I'm asking you, where do you rank him?

Speaker 2 Based on what you I'm asking this bad. I just asked this bad a simple question.
I gave him seven, eight names. He's talking about where would I rank him? Yeah, man.
I'll ask you. Yeah, because listen.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. Don't show.
I get it. You're going to probably bump into him.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. But at some point in time.
Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, you got to be bumping up. The guys that I met with.
But he addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you, where do you rank him?

Speaker 2 I already done said it.

Speaker 2 Are you putting, he's not in front of time? He's not in front of Reivers. He's not in front of Rod Woodson.
He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt.

Speaker 2 He's not in front of Niels Williams. He's not in front of a Champ Bailey.
That's seven. Okay.
That's seven guys. Okay, now stay segmental.
Now, you, who is he in front of?

Speaker 2 Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick Night Train Lane, Emil Tunnell.

Speaker 2 Is he in?

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, uh,

Speaker 2 uh,

Speaker 2 I'm just asking. He got all these these facts.
Who is he in front of?

Speaker 2 I tell you what.

Speaker 2 Who is he in front of of the list that I just made?

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 2 you name all time, like all time.

Speaker 2 He talking like he all time great. That's the problem.
Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he talking about,

Speaker 2 you talking about all-time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line.

Speaker 2 Time it, Mayo Blunt, defensive player of the year, Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year, Wad Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys,

Speaker 2 but number two, one is at the front of the line. Yeah, he talking like he in that group.
There are a group. Look, we go into a room in the Hall of Fame, okay.

Speaker 2 We go into a room. We all into a room, but there are certain guys at certain tables.

Speaker 2 We in the room, but we're not at that table.

Speaker 2 He's not even in the room. He on the outside.
Hey, y'all know I played, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but this for Big Dog.

Speaker 2 Keep it a stack. So I will chat.
Y'all tell me of the guys that I list,

Speaker 2 who he better than?

Speaker 2 I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mentioned Mitchell Sherman yet.

Speaker 2 I just gave y'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed.
Who y'all putting him in front of, chat? Y'all put him in front of Dion?

Speaker 2 Y'all put him in front of Reivers? Y'all put him in front of Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson.

Speaker 2 Y'all put him in front of Mail Blood. Who are y'all putting? Champ Bailey.
Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel? Who?

Speaker 2 I'm trying to see what this chat chat is talking about. No, no, I want you to see what the chat talking about.
You played against it. What you talking about? You played against Charles Wilson.

Speaker 2 You played against Pat P. You played against Sherm.
Who put me in this front?

Speaker 2 I ain't play against Sherm. But you know, you know,

Speaker 2 I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like, it was like Halloween.
If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy. I'm asking you a simple question.

Speaker 2 Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of?

Speaker 2 And I wouldn't say in front of, because you mentioned, you know, the greats,

Speaker 2 but he has he has the numbers to be in the room. I know, I know that much.
And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about, let me finish.

Speaker 2 Before you say anything, when you talk about MJ in comparison to

Speaker 2 Michael Jordan, when it comes to the basing any other sport, we always bring up the numbers, but all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the two dude

Speaker 2 in comparison.

Speaker 2 All those guys, hold on, this dude got four pro bowls. Listen to me.
I'm not finished. Okay.
But again, now

Speaker 2 we understand, but when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know,

Speaker 2 we do everything. I'll tell you what.
We do everything with numbers. You had a former coach.
Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You taking

Speaker 2 Dick Lebo? Oh, hey, what you doing?

Speaker 2 What you know about Dick? You like numbers. Hey, what you know about numbers?

Speaker 2 What you know about that? Hey, you just told me numbers. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros.
Let's go pro bows. Let's go all decade.
Let's go defensive player of the year.

Speaker 2 That's part of numbers also. Right.
Just not picks.

Speaker 2 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay, I got you. See, I look at it like this.
If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done?

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 I see what you're doing.

Speaker 2 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 2 I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up.

Speaker 2 That's a great convo. That's a great debate.
I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than than the list I named. Now, we're going to have, guess what? What?

Speaker 2 Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord spared both of our lives.
We're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years. We will.

Speaker 2 I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back. Because all the guys that I've been to now, hey, Jalen Ramsey is going to be coming up.
Richard Sherman is going to be coming up.

Speaker 2 Pat P is going to be coming up. You see, what he's trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing.
Bro, you played on the Patriots. Ty Law played on the Patriots.

Speaker 2 Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing.
If you, who was on TV more than the Patriots, oh Cho? Oh,

Speaker 2 during that 20-year run? During that time.

Speaker 2 nobody oh so now it's marketing

Speaker 2 time ain't no marketing bro yeah he marketed himself to know how to parlay that but that man on the field you better go check them tapes

Speaker 2 hey that's either you can or you can't that's a great conversation boy that's a good that's a good one yeah oh

Speaker 2 it's a good one willy brown mike haynes Mike Haynes got nine like nine pro boss you better go check

Speaker 2 that's a great combo. Oh, let me grab me a water, man.
Asante,

Speaker 2 bro.

Speaker 2 Santa, you had a great career, bro.

Speaker 2 You're a good player.

Speaker 2 You just said, all I said, you weren't tired. And you had to get personal.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know why.
I mean, if you wanted to come on Nightcap to get to get your name out there, you could have did that.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 hey, hey, hey, listen.

Speaker 2 That is a great combo, bro. You hear me? It's a great combo.
What's a great combo? This one. I like this.

Speaker 2 Obviously,

Speaker 2 it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying, that's why I was talking to you. In his prime, is he better than Stephon Gilmore?

Speaker 2 And at some point, hey, chat, don't y'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking about this is a great combo? Hold on, I'm saying that.

Speaker 2 You're telling me, you're telling me

Speaker 2 this is a nightcap fucking Ocho. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
You don't listen to each other. We go back and forth.
I've been chiming in. I've been chiming in all night.

Speaker 2 I'm listening to you. But listen, I see.
You see, we said, Chat, he's listening to the people.

Speaker 2 He addressed Shannon Sharp. Let me send a long message to Shannon Sharp.
So I'm just listening to what you're saying.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon Sharp speaking on? On what? On him?

Speaker 2 On Nightcap.

Speaker 2 Nightcap, Uncan Ocho. Right.
So it's your job to answer back.

Speaker 2 I get it.

Speaker 2 Chat, y'all. See, Ocho don't want to chime in.
He's from Florida. Ocho might bump into it.

Speaker 2 Y'all know me. I don't give a damn.
And what is bumping in having to do anything?

Speaker 2 See, heard the problem.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp. Whatever Shannon Sharp says on Nightcap, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is mad enough to stand on that.
Bro, you're not tying.

Speaker 2 You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson.
You not Darrell Revers. You not Mel Blunt.
You not Mike Haynes. You not Daryl Green.
You not.

Speaker 2 Facts.

Speaker 2 Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find the coach, find the receiver that says Santa Samuel is better than any of those guys.

Speaker 2 See,

Speaker 2 the way you make it sound,

Speaker 2 see, you being mean.

Speaker 2 Oh, Joe,

Speaker 2 you hear how you make it sound? You make it sound like buddy was trash or something.

Speaker 2 I didn't say

Speaker 2 I'm just saying the way you talking, like you acting like we just sitting there talking about some just some old bum.

Speaker 2 I'm just curious. Ojo.

Speaker 2 Who can I say? Yeah, I mean, and listen, I played the game. Listen, I played the game.

Speaker 2 Wait, stay with me. Stay with me.
Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball.
So I know. I played against Prime.
I played played against Zant.

Speaker 2 I have an understanding of both and how good they were, what they, oh, hold on, great as Prime was, and how good

Speaker 2 Zant was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know,

Speaker 2 the way you're doing it when I saw it with my own eyes.

Speaker 2 I understand how great Prime is, but then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing.

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Speaker 2 All I said, I said

Speaker 2 he was good. I said he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career.
Look how you said he was the tech.

Speaker 2 He used the technique. He used the technique that time doesn't approve of.
Two things can be true. Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Okay. Some guys like to play press

Speaker 2 and open the gate. Yes, sir.
Some guys like to press and put hands. Yeah.
Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats.

Speaker 2 Right. Saying, look at our stats.
Right.

Speaker 2 So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent.

Speaker 2 Okay. And I said he's not.
I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls.
I think he was an all-pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England.

Speaker 2 That's what I say.

Speaker 2 He took offense that I didn't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing.
I don't need to co-sign.

Speaker 2 I think everybody's known

Speaker 2 I didn't have an opportunity to critique time

Speaker 2 when he played when he went back for those two years. Right.
Because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine.
But I've never had a problem critiquing any player.

Speaker 2 I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning,

Speaker 2 you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O., Randy.

Speaker 2 I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at CBS, I would watch film.

Speaker 2 How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy called by Shannon Sharp, don't know what the hell he's talking about? Nah,

Speaker 2 that ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 See what y'all try to do. Well, you're doing the same.
That's not what I said. Nope, nope.
I've never said,

Speaker 2 I've never see the difference is Skimp tried to say, I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well.

Speaker 2 Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a

Speaker 2 compare myself to Gromp, to Kelsey, or a tight end? Right, that's the only way you can get an equivalent.

Speaker 2 I said, I said,

Speaker 2 yeah,

Speaker 2 Asante had had a great career, Pro Bowls, Super Bowls.

Speaker 2 Now, God, like I said, you want to say, Shellin, you ain't Trav.

Speaker 2 You ain't Gronk.

Speaker 2 You're right. You got to live with that.
You're right. You got me.
Right.

Speaker 2 You got me.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I'm just confused. Hey.

Speaker 2 But look, bro, I gave home.

Speaker 2 I gave you 15 minutes of fame.

Speaker 2 Fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time.

Speaker 2 Enjoy it. Now,

Speaker 2 go back to your solitary life.

Speaker 2 Nobody's going to, when was the last, I tell you what, Ocho. When was the last time, prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Osante Samuel?

Speaker 2 Take your time. I'm going to go get me.
I'm going to go get me some water. Take your time.
Hey, chat. Y'all keep on with your restress.
Hey, anyway, chat,

Speaker 2 we back. Unk.

Speaker 2 The love set. He's a love set.

Speaker 2 Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it.
I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth.
I like players also.

Speaker 2 What we always talk about, having a belief, having not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done, and bringing it to the forefront.

Speaker 2 Bring it to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great and that's okay now a lot of people won't see it that way as as as you can see it include none but one thing i i've always do see

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 if you were bad at what you do then i will always come out and say that but i played against both and i understand how good both were i understand how great prime was obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against asante during his prime and understanding how good he was how much of a student of the game he was.

Speaker 2 And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding, watching film here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically.

Speaker 2 You know, so it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was.

Speaker 2 You know, so it's hard to see it to say, oh, he's not been, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years.

Speaker 2 So it's different.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 2 You know, especially, and a lot of people in the chat, obviously, some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well because it's based off who you know and what they've done.

Speaker 2 Hey, Uncle, that was good.

Speaker 2 I just asked you a simple question. Which one? Proud of last night and today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Lasanti Sandy?

Speaker 2 I'm supposed to know.

Speaker 2 I'll be on nightcap.

Speaker 2 Every time a a tight end breaks a record, who record they sit in there? The most 150-yard games, the most lost this, the most that.

Speaker 2 Every Sunday in the NFL season when the tight end does something, whose name is up there? When they have them names, he just passed this one. Whose name is also up there?

Speaker 2 Ocho.

Speaker 2 Ocho?

Speaker 2 Hey. Don't worry about Ocho.

Speaker 2 Hey, chat. All I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho's like, hey.

Speaker 2 We did, we did go back and forth. That was, that was a good one, though.

Speaker 2 No, you, but you, you laughing. I'm saying, I'm saying, for real, that was a good one.
I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2 That was a good, that was a good one.

Speaker 2 That was a good one.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Hey, to each is on. I wish him the best.

Speaker 2 Wish him the best. Tom Brady admits tension had developed with Coach Belichick during the tenure, during the end of the quarterback's time with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 In the latest edition of his weekly newsletter, yes, Brady has a newsletter. I didn't know that.
Brady briefly spent some time talking about the split from the Patriots.

Speaker 2 First, Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up finishing his career with the Patriots. His first thoughts about leaving the team happened two or three years before it actually happened.

Speaker 2 It was a creeping decision that lividly passive in the back of my mind two or three years until March of 2020 when the world went on a few days made me realize that decision was coming sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 After 20 years together, a natural tension had developed between where Coach Belichick and I were headed. in our careers and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise.

Speaker 2 And it was kind of tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split or one of us reassessing our priorities. Right.
I mean, we can see that from a mile away.

Speaker 2 Everybody saw it.

Speaker 2 Everybody saw it. Even when that when that Seth Ricochet article came out.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they talking about the Jimmy G. Yeah.
It was a matter of time. But listen, you understand that as a quarterback,

Speaker 2 why do you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he did when they got when they got Jordan Love? Why do you think Brett Favre felt the way they did when they got when they got Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 2 Brighton was already on the wall. He understood that.
Brady understood that. That's why he had to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen, I don't want this over my back.

Speaker 2 I don't want this over my shoulder. This, I'm not comparing the situation, but as a competitor, you Brady,

Speaker 2 you shouldn't be worried about nothing that's coming in there at all. Because of the decisions that

Speaker 2 Bill Belichick wanted to make as far as moving on, he was supposed to be your predecessor.

Speaker 2 Am I using predecessor in the right context no damn

Speaker 2 predecessor mean he preceded

Speaker 2 well oh my bad he came after what word i'm supposed to use my what you talking about jimmy g yeah he's his air parrot okay yo hey my bad my bad hey my bad chat i'm using big i'm using words i don't even know what they mean it sounded good though

Speaker 2 it did it

Speaker 2 hey but anyway you know the competitor to him understanding that you you on the tail end you're on the back end obviously obviously, is listen, I want to be able to play freely. I want my mind free.

Speaker 2 I don't want to be out here being hesitant, being gun shy,

Speaker 2 knowing that if I mess up,

Speaker 2 y'all going to start the whole, you know, it is only a matter of time for they start

Speaker 2 the rumors and the chance. We want Jimmy G and all that stuff.
So, I understand that.

Speaker 2 I want him gone. I don't even want him here.
And I know that was a Robert Kraft decision.

Speaker 2 I know it was.

Speaker 2 What happened was,

Speaker 2 is that if

Speaker 2 you study the 49ers,

Speaker 2 for the most part, after 10 years, Coach Walsh, you look at Ronnie, you look at Roger Craig, you look at a lot of the guys.

Speaker 2 Only they start. And so you start, you move off a guy.
The thought process was, Ocho, you move off a guy one year early as opposed to one year late.

Speaker 2 Coach Belichick had studied the history and says, you know what? Guys start to taper off.

Speaker 2 And if we don't have that bridge, we're going to be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until they got Rothersburger from Terry Bradshaw. We're going to be like the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 2 We're going to be like a lot of these other teams,

Speaker 2 the Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't start a succession player now, successor, heir apparent, whatever you want to use the term, what Jimmy G was supposed to do.

Speaker 2 Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned is teams wait too long to find the successor successor or the heir apparent to said great quarterback. I don't want to make that mistake.

Speaker 2 I want to have a guy in place, get him a couple of years under his belt, push him out the door, the guy steps in.

Speaker 2 That's what he wanted.

Speaker 2 But Tom was saying, hold on. Ma'am, I'm going to the Super Bowl damn near every other year, every second or third year.
I'm still an MVP candidate. I'm still going to Pro Bowls.

Speaker 2 And you talk about I'm slipping? What are you watching?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 when they redid Tom's contract

Speaker 2 and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus and gave it to him. I said, it's done.
Go back and go back to look at. I said, it's done.
I said, he's not coming back. I remember.
I remember.

Speaker 2 Say he ain't coming back. He's not coming back.
But listen. And the grip, because here's the thing, OJ.

Speaker 2 When you have success, see,

Speaker 2 as long as you don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how successful you can be. There we go

Speaker 2 it started to be a push and pull because everybody because we talked about all the time who deserves more credit belich or brady belich or brady

Speaker 2 there is no way to definitively tell unless they left one left one if one leaves right and wins without the other was another birthday dude there it is right

Speaker 2 tom leaves wins a championship in his first year gone yes sir okay now coach belich now you get a chance to answer right i ain't saying you got to win one the next year, but you got to win.

Speaker 2 But it went the other way. He got to the playoffs like, okay,

Speaker 2 maybe he got something.

Speaker 2 But then, boom, boom, he stepped off a cliff.

Speaker 2 Tom still played at an elite level. Yes, sir.
He won the Super Bowl. He got to the playoffs every year.

Speaker 2 There you have it.

Speaker 2 The reason why the Patriots won was because of 1-2.

Speaker 2 Not the only reason, but now people was willing to give him more of the credit yeah and and also you have to understand when when one two leaves when he leaves out leaves new england in order for bill

Speaker 2 patriots robert craft to still have that continued success you got to have the heir apparent at the most important position on the field that touches the ball every play you got to have one of those huh you have to have one of those to compete you got to Yes.

Speaker 2 Now, those are some

Speaker 2 big shoes you got to feel, but it's it, boy, that's a tall task, especially when you're talking about filling the shoes of the greatest of all time

Speaker 2 yeah but the thing was that i'm that i'm concerned about is that coach belichick had an up close and personal look at tom and he know how motivated he was by the slightest of slights oh yeah you put the biggest slight in a on the world on this man it wasn't that he was drafted into the sixth round it wasn't that he had to start as a backup Even after the greatness in which he had displayed for you for 20 years, you was willing to push him out.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine, Ojo? Yeah, 20 years of excellence, six Super Bowls, all those appearances, nine appearances.

Speaker 2 And say, you know what, we appreciate your services, but we think the guy that we got behind you is better. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, what do you think that was going to do for Brady?

Speaker 2 If you think he was motivated by not being the first quarterback taken, right, or one of the middle quarterbacks taken, he was taken in the sixth round,

Speaker 2 199.

Speaker 2 You just put the biggest, you just put the biggest target on your back. Right.

Speaker 2 That was a good one.

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