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Hey, what the hell that mean? But it's not safe. It's not safe.
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Those are the tour dates, stop cities that we're going to be joining, that we're going to be going to. So get your tickets.
Thank you for your support. The Lakers fall to the magic 109-98.
The Lakers win three with three losses in a row. They lost seven out of their last ten ball games.

They lost to Boston, Brooklyn,

Milwaukee, Denver. Then they won

three straight, beat Phoenix, San Antonio,

Denver. Then they lost another

three straight, Milwaukee, Chicago, and

Orlando. The Lakers bench was

outscored 30-14,

which was an issue. The Lakers got to do

a better job of guarding. Watch this game

from start to finish. They're just not guarding.
They're just not guarding. Now, look, they're about a year or two away.
Orlando, Paulo Banqueiro, and Franz Wagner. Yeah.
Oh, they legit. Oh, they legit legit.
Yeah. They legit legit.
Banqueiro had 30. Wagner had 32.
And they got our black came off the bench and gave him 17 but they are legit the lakers got to do a better job of defending it's really that simple they didn't shoot the ball well they shot about 46 percent they shot 28 free throws or the free throw uh was pretty close uh 10 of 32 from the three-point line the difference with us Orlando shot damn near 50% from the floor. You're not going to beat a team if you allow them to shoot 50% from the floor.
But everything was really close. I mean, Orlando had 43 rebounds, 12 offensive.
The Lakers had 39, 11 offensive. But the only difference I could really see Ocho was that third quarter got them again.
Every time. The Lakers had a two-point lead at the half, and then they get outscored in the third quarter by about 14, 16, and it's the third quarter again.
JJ's going to have to put some different buttons because they come out lackadaisical, and they let the team go on a run, and it's hard to reattach yourself to them when they get a streak like that. But give Orlando credit.

They won.

As a matter of fact, they stopped Cleveland.

They went on the road.

Cleveland had a 16-17 game win streak.

They went into their building, and they won.

So they are better than their record would indicate. But the problem was, Van Carroll got hurt at one point in time.
Wagner got hurt at one point in time. So, they haven't been able to play an extended period of time together.
But this is a good team. Don't let their record fool you.
But the Lakers have to be disappointed. They got to play better.
They're in fourth spot right now. They're two and a half, I think, two and a half games out of the second spot.
But tonight,

again, it was defense.

They gave up 146 Saturday

night, and they gave up

118 tonight. And they had been playing

really, really good defense up

until that point. Okay, now with everything

that you said, they're in

fourth.

Right? They lost tonight.

You understand the problems and the rules that the Lakers are having, the inconsistencies. They want to run.
You're understanding their wolves coming out of halftime in the third quarter, allowing teams always going to run. Now think about everything you just said.
I want, I want your honest answer, your honest opinion. Is it still legacy five legacy five legacy five look that's fixable that's fixable Ocho that's something like look guys we've got to do a better job of defending yes sir and you can't guys can't get broken down off the first dribble.
Right. You get broken down

in the first dribble,

now you compromise

because help's coming,

and now they swing the ball,

they're getting wide open threes,

or they're getting uncontested layups.

So you can't get broken down

off the first dribble.

They got outscored 34 to 18

in the third quarter.

I mean,

there's no,

there in no way

should a Lakers team

that got Luka Doncic and LeBron James on the court only score 18 points in a quarter. Yeah.
And if you only score 18, you better make sure they don't, they don't score more than 22. Because if you do that, um, and I get it.
The Lakers, I think they played what seven games at one point in time at seven games in 10 days. Right.
But we don't do excuses here. You either win or you lose.
It's a very short... On sports menu at my restaurant, the only thing I got on my menu is dubs and L's.
That's all you can order. You can't order excuses because I don't serve it.
So the Lakers are going to have to find a way to play better in the third quarter. They're going to have to find a better way to defend because this is not acceptable.
This is not acceptable. I mean, look at all these minuses.
Dorian Finney-Smith, minus six. LeBron, minus 17.
Jackson Hayes, minus 10. Luka, minus nine.
Austin Reeves, minus seven. Every starter was minus.
Hell, as a matter of fact, everybody was minus. That's not good enough.
You can't win you can't win like that there's no way around it you can't win like that and when you take jacks and he's out brawn is basically playing the five too small of a lineup yeah i mean maybe maybe the last two three minutes four minutes of a ball game you can run this lineup but not when they go in bank not when they go in not when they go in Wendell Carter, not when they go in Franz Wagner. You're too small.
You're just too small. Redick admitted the Lakers look tired tonight.
We weren't able to sustain the level of intensity we started the game with. They did.
They scored 30 in the first quarter, 30 in the second quarter, 60. They had a two-point lead, 60 to 58 at the half.

But then again, out of the third quarter, here come Orlando.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And there you go.

Same quarter every time.

Needed to play some different music at the half, huh?

They need to do something because this ain't getting it done.

This ain't getting it done.

I mean, and what's their record?

So that's 50, that's 61, that's 71 games.

They only got 11 games left, Ocho.

Yeah.

You're supposed to be gearing up.

You're supposed to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs.

Not, you know, maybe they left a little bit on,

because at one point they were like 18 and 3 at all.

Right.

Won a bunch of games.

You don't want to be sliding going into the playoffs. Right.
You want to be playing your best ball heading into the playoffs. But this performance was unacceptable.
And Don Connect only played five minutes. But I think a lot of that has to do with his, look, his defense intensity.
I mean, he needs to understand. He just gets lost.

And I can tell JJ

is... JJ doesn't like

minimal mistakes.

That hurts him.

Because he's a perfectionist.

And he wants guys like, guys, we went over this.

That's why I couldn't coach.

We went over this.

The guy comes, okay, you stay on that guy.

Don't try to fight over the top and lead the guy

on a wide open three.

So, Lakers got some problems.

Nothing they can't solve.

They got, what, three more games on this road trip.

I think they got a four-game road trip before they turn back to the Crip.

Oh, I know that hurt.

I know that those road trips back to back Indiana yeah yeah so they got they got they got a ways they got they got they got three more games on the road Ocho before they turn return home they need to play better than what they played tonight or what they definitely what they played Bulls. Yeah.
But they picked right on where they left off,

not playing defense.

They started with great intensity in the first half,

but that waned in the third quarter,

and that was really the undoing of them.

AD, Anthony Davis returns after 18-game absence

versus the net.

In his return, 12 points, six rebounds, three assists,

six of nine field goals in 27 minutes.

He looked good. I don't know how many, I don't know how many players the Lakers would have traded AD for, but you got to trade him for Luca.
Yeah. There ain't a whole lot of players.
A team won't trade. It's reported that they call Minnesota by Ant-Man no it's reported they called Milwaukee by Giannis no they're not getting yoke I'm trying to think can you name another player you probably couldn't get I wouldn't break up JT and JB right but other than that everybody everybody's a is a green light.
Everybody else is a green light. So you can't feel bad.
Hey, y'all know what I think of AD. I love AD.
Oh, yeah. I like him and Brian together because he was the last line of defense.
He could guard pretty much one through five. He was tremendous in the pick and roll.
Excellent, excellent. Help side defense.
Could give you 25 and 12 on a nightly basis. But 32-year-old AD versus 26-year-old Luka.
Yeah. And then, obviously, an injury-prone AD, which has always been an issue of his, not being able to stick to court, but understanding what he gives you once he's on the court.
But the problem is, is you make the trade, it happens. He comes out, he gives you the AD you used to, but not enough consistency to be able to stay on the court to make the fans feel like, okay, you know what? We let Luka go, but we still got AD.
He's still able to come here and produce. He's not Luka, you know, by any means, but he's still a quality player that can put butts in the seats and be productive night in and night out when he's on the court.
You see him come back and have a good game at night, you know, until he gets his legs up underneath him, gets acclimated to the speed of the game and gets himself back in rhythm. So still decent tonight, though.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons, Ocho. When he stays healthy, we've seen him last year.
I think he played like 70-plus games, which is the most games he's played in a very long time. We know what AD can do.
He's as skilled as anybody. He can shoot the three.
Now, he's not shooting 40%, but he got the three ball in his repertoire. Mid-range game.
Can post it. Can put it on the floor.
Can finish at the rim, above the rim. You're finally going to go to the free throw line and you're going to make 80 plus percent of his free throw.
So offensively, and we know he's one of the two or three best defensive players in all of basketball. That's not even up for debate.
But like you said, his injury history made it real easy right plus his age made it real easy for the lego to say you know what luca for luca for uh ad yeah plus we got another decade of luca and we need superstar in order to attract because you look at that when you look at their court side and you look at everybody else's court side it's Only the Knicks can rival it. Yeah, it's different.
It's different.

And it's always been different and it's always going to be different. And that's what you need to attract those stars to come out and watch as a lukelet.
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Dark River says he doesn't get enough credit for winning three games in a playoff series

where he blew 3-1 leads.

No one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that.

It's unfair in some ways I don't get enough credit

for winning those three games.

I get credit for losing.

I always say, what if we had lost to Houston in six?

No one cares.

One thing that I'm proud of is that we've never been swept.

All coaches have been swept in the playoffs. My team achieved.
A lot of them overachieved. And I'm proud of that.
Did he say this out loud? Yeah. I'm not sure.
Hold on. He said this so somebody could write it? Wait, is this really his quote? I mean, are we happy about losing, but the fact that we didn't get swept, is that satisfying? Is this some type of moral victory or something? I'm just kidding.
It's more embarrassing that you had a 3-1 lead and you couldn't win another game. I just want to know how you feel about it.
Come on, man. You know what? I wouldn't even say nothing.
I said, yeah, that's on me. Yes, I've had 3-1 lead in five or six series, and we weren't able to get it done.
I've got to do a better job of putting my players in position so we can get it done. I would have never, ever said, I don't get enough credit for winning three games because it's not a best of five.
Right. Doc, you came in, and there best of five as a matter of fact i'm old enough to remember that you used to be a best of three yes they were a best of three and because you had a best of three a best of five right the eastern western conference was the best of seven so was the nba finals so doc if you had won three games in the best of five, you got a ton

of credit. But in a

seven game series, it's the first to

four, not the first to three.

Doc said that.

Doc said that out loud.

I'm just, you know, also,

I just want to ask you, do you really think this

is his quote? Is it from a reliable

source? Yeah, it's him.

He's talking. Yeah, it's in quotes.
Yeah, that's what he said. It's to Mark Spears.
He said, no one tells the real story, and I'm fine with that. It's unfair in some ways.
I don't get enough credit for getting those three wins. You don't get credit for winning games.
You get credit for winning series. Right.
If it's the NCAA, you get credit for winning games. If it's the NCAA,

you get credit for winning games.

One shot.

But not in a series, not where

it takes four.

Come on, Doc.

Doc is too much of a student of the game.

Doc has too much

basketball high-level

IQ to ever

say something like this to have it printed. Lord have mercy.
Uh-oh. Ocho, that would be the equivalent of DQ said, hey, I don't get enough credit for having a 28-3 lead on the Patriots.
I don't get enough credit for that. Because I did have a lead.
How many coaches ever had a 25-point lead in the Super Bowl? What good is that? You lost! Yeah. That's the same thing when the Houston, the Oilers had that big lead against Buffalo.
A lead? You're talking about a lead. Not winning the game, but we had a lead.
It's even more embarrassing that in a first to four, you won three games and you lost a series still. I don't know.
I need more context

to the conversation

because the way it's being worded doesn't sound like

come on doc would you really say something like that

would you really want credit for winning

because he has the most

he has the most blown 3-1 leads in NBA history

he's saying y'all not giving me

credit for winning three games

nah that ain't the way

who won't get credit that ain't the way it works. Who won't get credit? That ain't the way it works, though.
In nothing you do in life. He had a, against the Celtics in 23, a 3-2 lead, lost.
2020 against the Nuggets in the bubble, 3-1 lead, lost. 2015, the Rockets.

He was at the Clippers at the time.

Lost.

2012 against the Heat, 3-2 lead, lost.

2010 against the Lakers, 3-2, lost.

2009 against the Magic, 3-2, lost.

2003, Pistons, 3-1 lost my goodness listen the difficulties of being a coach the difficulties of being a head coach at the highest level here's the question the question Mark Spears him, how do you deal with all the criticism you've received from the media and on social media from losing three, one series leads four times doc quote was a direct response to what he was asked by Mark J Spears. Yeah.
How do you feel with all the criticism

you've received from the media

and on social media? So I guess

ain't nobody else criticizing.

You don't think other coaches talk about, damn

Doc. You don't think players

say, so what you think? I get it.

Blaming the media.

Blame social media.

But we're the only ones.

Ain't no player. As a matter of fact, what happened when he lost the Clippers 3-1 lead? I guess management blamed him too.
Yeah. They got him up out of there.
Okay. Philly, what did they do? They got him up out of there.
So I guess it ain't just the media and social media. So I have a question on now I have a question I think now the opportunities given when it comes to the NFL is a little bit different as opposed to to the NBA now he continues to get jobs for a reason exactly so you can't say he's a great coach he's a great coach he has to be great at something that he does because there's a reason you continue to have all these jobs despite the losses that are happening at important times at the wrong times they're letting you go but you get a job somewhere else right away like it's nothing so there there's something special about him.
Right. I don't like that answer, though.
Hell no. Nobody likes that answer.
If he can take it back, if he can read the quote now with a little bit of clarity and understanding. What you mean? Let me finish.
I guarantee you hear a word of difference. Hear a word of difference.
I'm telling you, you see how you in your right state of mind is sitting here reading it and then getting better context on what the question was? He wasn't drunk. Yeah, I...
Yeah, let's put up, because we want to put some more comments, because you said he was taken out of context. He had no idea what was being asked.
Oh, no, I of context he had no idea because once you told me what the question was that that gave me a better understanding it was a direct question so the answer and the quote was literally direct based on you know sometimes you know sometimes they leave stuff out okay how about this here it is what it is it's a part of my legacy there's nothing i can do about it i got a team that was an 8 seed up 3-1. That's coaching.
That's not bad coaching. There are several 8 seeds that have actually won.
The Denver Nuggets was the first 8 seed. They beat the Seattle Super Suns, who was the number 1 seed, but we'll talk about that later.
The one with the Clippers is the only one that got away, but people don't realize that Chris Paul was running on one leg in 2015 with the Clippers. And we also, the underdog in that series, when you think about it, Houston had home court, not us.
So let me get, it was good enough, you got, you beat them twice on their home court to get a 3-1 lead. So he was on one leg.
So one leg got you a three one lead. One leg couldn't get you another win.
Okay. Okay.
How about this? We didn't have home court. Well, it goes road to your first two games at the, if you don't underdog, that means the first two games at their home.
So that means in order for you to get a 3-1 lead you had to have won one game right on their court exactly it's on your resume doc I think the best thing could have said hey look it's a part of it's part of me. I wish maybe I could have done something different, called different plays, put players in different situations.
But to say I don't get enough credit for winning three games when it's a four-game series, when it's a seven-game series, and it's the first to four, not the first to three, he got to miss me with that one. He got to miss me with that one.
Sorry, Doc. We can't agree on that one.
Oh, Lord, have mercy. I was hoping we'd have to do this.
Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime and he responded to us, Ocho. That's your problem, pimp.
You're also brainwashed, that Shannon Sharp.

I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true.

Like yourself, I stand on facts.

You have yet to talk about the facts.

You can easily be manipulated, just like everyone has,

because of marketing.

I bet you won't debate me.

Big facts.

Oh.

Shannon Sharp, safety has the short middle.

Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver.

You don't know the truth, Pimp.

You just talking out your...

With no facts.

Right.

Let's talk or you scared like everyone else, bro.

Hey, I didn't know he answered you.

Okay, I like that.

I like that.

Hey, listen.

We can have a club, Shay Shay, right?

Listen to me now.

Stay with me. You have a club shei-shei, right? Listen to me now.
Stay with me.

You have a club shei-shei,

DV edition,

a good conversation,

PowerPoint presentation style,

film up there to support each of your opinions and facts

that you might have.

It ain't no opinion.

He's not time.

What are we debating?

Let me finish, baby.

Let me finish.

Listen, I'm

giving you the ultimate content right now.

Something that's never been done before.

A format that's never been done before.

Two players. Actually, three

because you're a part of it, too. Three players.
You got Prime,

Sonny Samuels, and you.

You one that loves to break down film.

He's also one that loves to break down film.

Now, just picture this.

You think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What do you think you and Son sent down, you know, going over? Okay, you want to prove it? Prove it. Die in the sky don't lie.
I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before. I've given Coach Time and myself have given Atalante Samuel more attention since he's been retired than he's ever gotten.

After tonight, I'm done with this.

There's nothing to debate.

My bad.

There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time.

He's in the realm of Darrell Rebus.

He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Darryl Green or Mel Blunt.

Thank you. he's in the realm of derail rebus he's in the realm of rod woodson or charles woodson or darryl green or a male blunt he's not i don't give a damn what he says about the film he played he played more he played more look bro you had an unbelievable career congratulations you're just not time.
You're not time. You're not Rebus.

Hold on. Did he make an all-decade team? Because Tyne made all-decade and he's one of the 100th greatest players of all time.
Let's see his resume. Let's see his body of work.
I complimented him. I said, Tyne don't believe in wasted motion.
The T-step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment.
Let's see his resume. So he didn't make all decade four time pro bowler one time all pro how many times how many pro bowls the time made how many all team yeah same number of Super Bowls but one guy was a defensive player of the year.
One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going.
He goes to the other team and keep that team from going. Bruh, you had an unbelievable career.
You went to a Pro Bowl, you an All-Pro. You're not tying.
And that's not a knock. It's okay.
It's okay. But I don't know why you're getting mad at me.
I tell you what, go find the GM,

go find the coach,

go find the player that says Asante Samuel

is the equivalent

or better than time.

That's all you got to do.

Hell, your son won't say

you better than time.

And he a junior.

Just be real, man.

You coming,

I'm the wrong one.

What you doing? Where you going? I got that. What's that? I don't know what you're talking about, bro.
I don't know what you're talking about. I complimented you.
I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-step served you well.
I just said you weren't tired. That's okay.
If somebody says, you know what, Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you went to eight Pro Bowls.
You're a first-team All-Pro. You're an All-Decade player.
You're in the Hall of Fame, but you ain't Gronk. Okay.
You ain't Travis Kelsey.

Okay.

But you ain't going to go no other tight end let me talk about you ain't that.

If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say

Kelsey, Shannon, you not that.

I ain't finna fight you.

But you ain't going to go no more.

You ain't going to go no more.

Because when I left,

every record that a tight end

could have,

I had it catches yards,

touchdown,

most yards of the game.

Hey,

so I,

hold on.

I just,

now that,

now that you mentioned that when I'm going to come,

when you,

when we factor in the numbers and statistics,

does that play any factor in,

in,

in a song,

this case or it doesn't matter. Just, just curious.
He had curious. He had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions.
How many pick-sixes did he have? All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me.
Now, they done came along and broke them, Gonzo broke them and Gaze did this and Gronk and this and that. But I don't know why he mad at me.
I gave him a compliment. I said he had an outstanding career.
I said the T-step for him served him well. I like the convo.
I like the dialogue. I would love especially for for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game.
I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show.
I'm just saying. I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver, because he talking like he was that.
I guarantee you, when you find somebody that say he a top 10 cornerback, if we go back and study history, top 10 corner. So we got Time, we got Revis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Darrell Green, we got Amils Williams, we got Mel Blunt.
Okay, that's seven right there. Where are we going to put him? In the list of all time in the history of the NFL is he cracking the top ten that's your I mean that's your homeboy

I want you to tell me

you tell me

where would you put him

I'm asking you

I just named seven guys

which one of those seven guys

you are you putting him in front of

huh

you heard me

yeah I'm listening

I'm asking you oh I forgot about Champ Bailey you You put him in front of Champ? You ain't answer the question. Are you putting him in front of Champ? You heard me? I'm listening, yeah.
Where would you put him? Where would you rank him? No, I ask you. No, I'm asking you the question.
I ask you. Yes.
No, I'm asking you, where do you rank him? Based on what you call. I'm asking this man.
I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names.
He talking about where would I rank him. Yeah.
I ask you. Yeah, because listen.
Go ahead. I get it.
You're going to probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
But at some point in time. Hey, hold on.
It don't matter who I bump into. Okay, well, you got to be in front of him, the guys that I mentioned.
But he addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you, where do you rank him? I already done said it.
He's not in front of Tyne. He's not in front of Revis.
He's not in front of Rod Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson.
He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nils Williams.

He's not in front of a champ, Bailey.

That's seven.

Okay.

That's seven guys.

Okay, now, stay, stay.

Now you, who is he in front of?

Is he top 10 all time in the history?

Dick Nitrate Lane, Emile Tunnel.

Is he in?

Hey, hey, um. him is he hey hey I'm just asking he got all these facts who is he in front of I'll tell you what who is he in front of of the list that I just named? You name all-time like all-time.
He talking like he all-time great. That's the problem.
Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he talking about, you talking about all-time great.
The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line. Time it.
Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year.
Rob Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys.
But number two, one is at the front of the line. He talking like he in that group.
There are groups. Look, we go into a room.
In Hall of Fame. Okay.
We go into a room. We all into a room, but there are certain guys at certain tables.
We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room.
He on the outside. Hey, y'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this for big dog.

Keep it a stack.

So I want Chad,

y'all tell me all the guys that I list,

who he better than?

I ain't mentioned Pat P.

I ain't mentioned

Mitch Sherman yet.

I just gave y'all

a couple of names.

I want you to tell me

who he better than than the list I listed.

Who y'all put him in front of, Chad?

Y'all put him in front of Deion?

Y'all put him in front of Revis?

Y'all put him in front of Charles Woodson?

Rod Woodson?

Y'all put him in front of Mel Blunt?

Who are y'all putting Champ Bailey?

Who are y'all putting him in front of?

Asante Samuel?

Who?

Who? are y'all putting Champ Bailey? Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel, who?

Hold on, I'm trying to see.

I'm trying to see what the chat talking about.

No, I want you to see what the chat talking about.

You played against it.

What you talking about?

You played against Charles Woodson.

You played against Pat P. You played against Sherm.
Who are you putting him in front of? Woodson you played against Pat P you played against

Sherm who are you putting him in front of I ain't I ain't I ain't playing against Sherm but you know

you know I I did I did I did I did my thing everywhere I went you hear me it was like it was

like Halloween if I knock on the door I'm coming to get some candy I'm asking you a simple question

of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of? And I wouldn't say in front of, because you, you mentioned, you know, the greats, but he has, he has the numbers to be in the room. I know, I know that much.
And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about, let me finish.
Before you say anything, when you talk about MJ,

in comparison to Michael Jordan,

when it comes to basing any other sport,

we always bring up the numbers.

But all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored

when it comes to now talking about the dude in comparison.

He got four pro bowls.

Now listen, listen.

All those got, hold on, the dude got four pro bowls.

Listen to me, I'm not finished.

Okay.

But again, now we understand. But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, we do everything with numbers.
You had a former coach. Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks.
You taking Dick LeVoe? Oh, hey, what you know about LeVoe? Hey, what you know about LeVoe? You like numbers. Hey, what you know about LeBow, right? What you know about me? You just told me numbers.
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? Yeah. No.
Okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros.
Let's go pro bowls. Let's go all decade.
Let's go defensive player of the year. That's part of numbers also.
Just not picks. Okay.
Okay. Okay.
I got you. See, I look at it like this.
If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done? Okay. I see what you're doing.
I like that. I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up.
That's a great convo. That's a great.
I'm just waiting on this man to tell me who is he better than, than the list I renamed. Now we're going to have, guess what? Let's have the conversation.
Hopefully Lord spare both of our lives. We're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years.
We will. We will.
Now, I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back. Because all the guys that I've been to now, hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up.
Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat P's going to be coming up.
You see, what he's trying to do, oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots.
Ty Law played on the Patriots. Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket.
So don't do that bull job about marketing. Who was on TV more than the Patriots? Oh, Choke.
Oh, during that 20-year run? During that time. Yeah.
Oh, so now it's marketing. Time ain't no marketing, bro.
Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that, but that man on the field, you better go

check them tapes.

Hey, that's...

Either you can or you can't. That's a great

conversation, bro. That's a good one,

yeah. Oh!

It's a good one. Willie Brown, Mike Hayes.

Mike Hayes got nine like nine

Pro Bowls. You better go check.

That's a great convo.

Let me grab me a water, man.

Asante, go ahead, bro.

Asante, you had a great career, bro.

You're a good player.

You just said, all I said,

you weren't tired. And you had to get

personal.

I don't know.

I don't know why.

I mean,

if you want to come on nightcap to get,

to get your name out there,

you could have did that.

Hey,

Hey,

Hey,

Hey,

listen,

that is a great combo,

bro.

You hear me?

It's a great combo.

What was a great combo?

This one.

I like this.

I just,

obviously it's not me as the individual,

but I'm just saying,

that's why I was telling you.

And in prime,

is he better than Stephon Gilmore?

At some point,

hey,

chat,

don't y'all want Ocho to chime in

instead of just talking about

this is a great combo?

Hold on,

I'm listening to you.

You're telling me,

you're telling me.

Oh,

this is nightcap,

thunkin' Ocho.

Hold on,

hold on,

hold on.

We don't listen to each other, we go back and forth. I've been chiming in all night I'm listening to you Now listen He's listening to me He addressed Shannon Sharp He sent a long message To Shannon Sharp So I'm just listening To what you have to say Hold on Where did he address Shannon Sharp What was Shannon Sharp speaking on? On what? On him?

On Nightcap.

Nightcap.

Unc and Ocho.

Right.

So it's your job to answer back.

I get it.

Y'all see, Ocho don't want to tie me.

He from Florida.

Ocho might bump into it.

Y'all know me.

I don't give a damn.

And wouldn't bump it in having to do anything?

See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp.

Whatever Shannon Sharp say on Nightcap, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is mad enough to stand on that. Bro, you not tied.
You not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson.
You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blunt.
You not Mike Haynes. You not Dale Green.
You not. Fats.
Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that say Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys. See, the way you make it sound, see, you being mean.

Old joke.

Hey, you hear how you make it sound?

You make it sound like Buddy was trash or something.

I didn't say he was trash.

Old joke.

I'm just saying the way you talking.

Like you acting like we just sitting there talking about some old bum. I'm just curious.
Ocho, who can I say? Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played the game.
Wait, stay with me. Stay with me.
Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball.
So I know. I played against Prime.

I played against Zant.

I have an understanding of both and how good they were.

What they, hold on, great as Prime was and how good Zant was.

So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you do it.

When I saw it with my own eyes.

I understand how great Prime is.

But then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing. All I said, I said he was good.
I said he was a very good player. Had an unbelievable career.
Look how you said it. He used the technique.
I don't know. He used the technique.
He used the technique that time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true.
Yes, sir. Okay.
Some guys like to play press and open the gate. Yes, sir.
Some guys like to press and put hands. Yeah.
Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats.
Right. Said, look at our stats.
Right. So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent.
Okay. And I said, he's not.
I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls Bowls I think he was an All-Pro I know he won Super Bowls in New England that's what I said he took a fit that I didn't co-sign him I don't need no marketing I don't need to co-sign I think everybody's known I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played, when he went back for those two years.
Right. Because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game.
Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player.
I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O., Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study.
When I was at CBS, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy call and tell about Shannon Sharp, don't know what the hell he talking about? No, that ain't going to happen.
See what y'all trying to do? Well, you're doing this. That's not what I said.
No, no. I never said.
I've never. See, the difference is, Skip tried to say I said I was better than Tom Brady.
I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right, right.
I would need to compare myself to Grom, to Kelsey, or a tight end. Right.
That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said, I said, Yeah.
Asante had a great career.

Pro Bowls,

Super Bowls.

Now,

God,

like I said,

you want to say,

Shelly,

you ain't Trav.

You ain't Gronk.

Right.

You right.

You got to live with that.

Right.

You right.

You got me.

Right.

You got me.

But, I'm, I'm just confused but look bro I gave I gave you 15 minutes of fame fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time enjoy it now go back to your solitary life. Nobody's gonna...

When was the last... I tell you what, Ocho,

when was the last time, prior to last

night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention

Asante Samuel?

Take your time. I'm gonna go get me some water.

Take your time. Hey, Chad,

y'all keep on with your interest. Hey, anyway, Chad, we back.
The love set. The love set.
Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it.
I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth.
I like players. Also, what we already talk about, having a belief.
Not only belief in what you

can do and what you've already done,

and bringing it to the forefront.

Bringing it to the forefront and supporting what it is

you've done in comparison to someone else who

is also great. And that's

okay. Now, a lot of people won't

see it that way, as

you can see, including them. But one

thing I always do, see,

is

if you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both.
And I understand how good both were. I understand how great Prime was.
Obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was.

And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding,

watching film I'm here and understanding how good he was and how savvy he was

technically, you know?

So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite

side and understand how good he was, you know?

So it's hard to see it to say, Oh, he's not, Whoa, Whoa, whoa, I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years.
So it's different. It's different.
You know, especially, and a lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well because it's based off who you

know and what they've done.

Hey, Unk, that was good.

I just asked you a simple

question. Which one? Prior to last night

and today, when was

the last time you heard somebody mention

Asante Sanders?

Unk, I'm supposed to know. I'd be on

nightcap.

Every time a tight end break a record,

who record they sit up there?

The most 150-yard game.

The most lost this.

The most that.

Every Sunday in the NFL season

on the tight end does something,

who name is up there?

When they have them names,

he just passed this one.

Who name is also up there?

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Ocho Ocho Ocho Ocho Ocho Ocho we did go back and forth that was a good one though you laughing I'm saying I'm for real that was a good one I don't that was a good one that was a good one no hey to each his own I wish him the best wish him the best tom brady had missed tension had developed with coach belichick during the tenure during the end of the quarterback's time with the patriots in the latest edition of his weekly newsletter yes brady has a newsletter i didn't know that brady briefly spent some time talking about the split from the patriots First, Brady said he knew it was likely wouldn't end up finishing his career with the Patriots. His first thoughts about leaving the team happened two or three years before it actually happened.
It was a creeping decision that, lividly passive in back of my mind, two or three years until March of 2020, when the whirlwind of a few days made me realize that decision was coming

sooner rather than later.

After 20 years together,

a natural tension had developed between where coach Belichick and I were

headed in our careers and where the Patriots were moving as a franchise.

And it was kind of tension that could only be resolved by some kind of split

or one of us reassessing our priorities.

Right.

I mean, we can see that from a mile away. Everybody saw it.
Everybody saw it. When that Seth Wickersham article came out? Yeah.
And they're talking about the Jimmy G? Yeah. It was a matter of time.
Listen, you understand that as a quarterback, why do you think Aaron Rodgers felt the way he did when they got Jordan Love? Why do you think Brett Favre felt the way they did when they got Aaron Rodgers? The writing was already on the wall. He understood that.
Brady understood that. That's why he had to go upstairs and go to the higher up and ask, listen, I don't want this over my back.
I don't want this over my shoulder. I'm not comparing the situation, but as a competitor, you Brady, you shouldn't be worried about nothing that's coming in there at all because of the decisions that Bill Belichick wanted to make as far as moving on.
He was supposed to be your predecessor. Am I using predecessor in the right context? No.
Damn. Predecessor mean he proceeded.
Fuck. Oh, my bad.
He came out. What word I'm supposed to use? My what? You talking about Jimmy G? Yeah.
Air apparent. Okay, hey, my bad.
My bad. Hey, my bad chat.
I'm using words. I don't even know what they mean.
sounded good though it did hey but anyway you know the competitive in him understanding that you you on the tail and you on the back end obviously is listen I want to be able to play freely I want my mind free I want to I don't want to be out here being hesitant being gun shy knowing that if I mess up, y'all going to start the whole, you know, it's only a matter of time for the rumors and the chants. We want Jimmy G and all that stuff.
So I understand that. I want him gone.
I don't even want him here. And I know that was a Robert Kraft decision.
I know it was. What happened was

is that if you study

the 49ers,

for the most part,

after 10 years, Coach

Walsh, you look at Ronnie,

you look at Roger

Craig, you look at a lot of the guys.

Only, they start

and so you start, you move off

a guy. The thought process was, Ocho, you move off a guy one year early as opposed to one year later coach Belichick had studied the history and says you know what guys start to taper off and if we don't have that bridge we're going to be like the Pittsburgh Steelers until they got Roethlisberger from Terry Bradshaw we're going to be like the Miami Dolphins we're going to be a lot like a lot of these other teams.
The Buffalo Bills, Jim Kelly, until they got Josh Allen. So if we don't start a succession plan now, successor, heir apparent, whatever you want to use the term, what Jimmy G was supposed to do.
Coach Belichick says, what I've studied, what I've learned, is teams wait too long to find the successor or the heir apparent to said great quarterback. I don't want to make that mistake.
I want to have a guy in place, get him a couple years under his belt, push him out the door, the guy steps in. That's what he wanted.
But Tom was saying, hold on. Man, I'm going to the Super Bowl down there every other year, every second or third year.
I'm still an MVP candidate. I'm still going to Pro Bowls.
And you talk about I'm slipping? What are you watching? And when they redid Tom's contract and they didn't add years, they just took that bonus and gave it to him. I said, it's done.
Go back and look at it. I said, it's done.
I said, you're not coming back. I remember.
I remember. He ain't coming back.
He's not coming back. But listen.
And the grip, because here's the thing, old Joe. When you have success, see, as long as you don't mind who gets the credit, you don't realize how successful you can be.
There we go. It started to be a push and pull because everybody, because we talked about all the time, who deserves more credit, Belichick or Brady? Belichick or Brady? There is no way to definitively tell unless they left.
One left. If one leaves and wins without the other, there it is.
Right. Tom leaves, wins a championship in his first year.
Gone. Yes, sir.
Okay, now, Coach Belichick, now you get a chance to answer. I ain't saying you gotta win one the next year, but you gotta win.
Right. But it went the other way.
He got to the playoffs like, okay, maybe he got something. Yeah.
But then, boom, boom, he stepped off a cliff. Tom still played at an elite level.
Yes, sir. He won the Super Bowl.
He got to the playoffs every year. There you have it.
Yeah. The reason why the Patriots won was because of 1-2.
Not the only reason, but now people was willing to give him more of the credit. And also, you have to understand, when 1-2 leaves, when he leaves New England, in order for Bill, Patriots, Robert Kraft to still have that continued success, you got to have the heir apparent at the most important position on the field that touches the ball every play, you got to have one of those, huh? You have to have one of those

to compete.

You got to.

Yes.

Now, those are some big shoes

you got to fill,

but it's, boy,

that's a tall task,

especially when you talk about

filling the shoes

of the greatest of all time.

Yeah, but the thing was

that I'm concerned about

is that Coach Belichick

had an up-close-and-personal

look at Tom,

and he know how motivated he was by the slightest of slights. Oh, yeah.
You put the biggest slight on the world on this man. It wasn't that he was drafted into the sixth round.
It wasn't that he had to start as a backup. Even after the greatness in which he had displayed for you for 20 years, you was willing to push him out.
Can you imagine, Ocho? Yeah. 20 years of

excellence, six Super Bowls,

all those appearances,

nine appearances,

and you say, you know what? We appreciate your services,

but we think the guy that we got behind you

is better. Yeah.
So what do you

think that was going to do for Brady?

If you think he was motivated by not being the

first quarterback taken, or one of the middle

quarterbacks taken, he was taken in the sixth round.

199.

You just put the biggest target on your back.

Right.

That was a good one.