Nightcap - Hour 2: Mannie Fresh Joins Nightcap, Juju Watkins gets hurt in the NCAA tournament, & Puka wants to retire at 30!

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Speaker 4 All right, Ocho.

Speaker 4 We joining us right now is producer, Beat Producer Extraordinaire. Some of the hottest beats.
Late 90, late 90s, early 2000s.

Speaker 4 Manny, Manny, Manny, French. What's up, bro? What's up? What's happening, Chad? Bro, what's up? What's up, baby? What's good? What's up, brother? You good? Yeah, man.
Listen,

Speaker 4 I just left New Orleans, man, about three days ago. I'm feeling good.

Speaker 4 That's my second home now. For sure.
I saw you. I mean, I saw you claiming some wards and all of that, bro.
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Every bit of it.

Speaker 4 Fresh, what?

Speaker 4 Fresh, when you look back at your career and you look back, not that your career is done, when you look back at all the people that you've touched and you've made beats for what are you most proud of um relationships bro like you know

Speaker 4 relationships better than you know the beats or whatever um to to bring people together and and keep them together you know even like right now what's going on with my crew like for us to get back together as men and go back out there 25 26 years and and you know and and still getting it so i i always tried to be the mediator for everybody you know even when I was doing a beat with somebody who was beefing with somebody, I was like, listen, bro, that's foolishness.

Speaker 4 You know, put that down and let's get it.

Speaker 4 Like, did you always want to be, did you always want to be a producer? Did you always want to be in the music? So how did this come about?

Speaker 4 How did you get into the, and then it wasn't like you was just like, it is, you had some of the hottest rappers,

Speaker 4 the Wayne and the Juvies and the Harp, you had it all, Fred. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I started out as a DJ.

Speaker 4 And even right now i know i'm a dj my dad was a dj so what got me was my dad you know i used to have to hook my dad's stuff up i used to have to my dad was a street dj so you know like them holding the wall balls yeah

Speaker 4 what a dj do like you know a dj actually puts you in a good mood like you know yes if your bills do you going through something it's the dj's job to make you feel good make you forget about

Speaker 4 all of that and you know and that that spirit just came on me to be like you know what this is what i'm supposed to do yeah

Speaker 4 Hey, so outside of pops, man, growing up, who were some other musical influences and how did they shape you or shape the sound? Your sound was different from everybody else. You know,

Speaker 4 how did the sound develop you as a producer? Growing up in New Orleans, bro, it was music all over. You know, everywhere you went, there was, you know, there was somebody playing something.

Speaker 4 So I just kind of put all of that together in the way I call what I do as gumbo. I took elements from

Speaker 4 West Coast, you know what I'm saying? And south, and just made something that was mine. So, you know, you take a whole bunch of ingredients from everywhere.

Speaker 4 You know, when we was early, New Orleans, you know, in the 80s, we like West Coast and East Coast songs. We didn't have our sound yet.

Speaker 4 So, you know, and then Miami base came and then we felt like the 808 is our sound. The 808 is definitely down south, you know, and I was like, okay.

Speaker 4 And I was like, let me take a little bit of this East Coast, a little bit of this West Coast and mix it with some of this loop. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, right now, I'm going to think about the current state of New Orleans sports. You know, your Pelicans, your Saints.

Speaker 4 How do you feel about the current state of sports in New Orleans? And what do you think? What is the vibe like? Obviously, during the season, I'm not able to be there. I was there for Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Unbelievable. That's my second home.
You hear me? Yeah.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 how do you feel right now?

Speaker 4 Especially the Saints. Yeah.
So one of the things, you know, let's just say New Orleans is, let's just say it. New Orleans is a party city.
So it's kind of hard on the athlete.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Okay, okay, okay, okay. It's the city where, you know, it never shuts down.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, so when you come there, you got to come there with the, you know, like you, you got to be focused because you could easily get caught up into nothing clothes.

Speaker 4 Nobody ain't going to tell you put that drink down. You know what I'm saying? And if you athletes and you hanging out with rappers, it's just not going to vibe.
It ain't going to work.

Speaker 4 You feel me?

Speaker 4 Yes, sir. That's one of the things we got to fix.
Like, you know what I'm saying? We ain't going to say no names, but

Speaker 4 we got a little bit of partying going on right now.

Speaker 4 If we fix that, you're going to see an improvement in our teams, bro. Okay.
Many, when you look at it, you look at BG, Juvie, the Hot Boys, Lil Wayne, big timers.

Speaker 4 How soon did you know that, you know what?

Speaker 4 That youngest one, the smallest one,

Speaker 4 he going to be him. Oh, bro, Wayne was the first one there, the last one to leave.
So, you know,

Speaker 4 when you, and it was times where his mom might have took him out the group because he had bad grades or whatever, and immediately he improved. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 4 Because it was something that he was like, I got to figure this out. Like, you know, and he would beg his mom forever to get back into it.
But just like I said,

Speaker 4 he knew, like, take for instance, back that ass up.

Speaker 4 Wayne knew to hang around for that song to get the last part of it, to do that after you back it up, then stop.

Speaker 4 He he was just like nah this is just one of them you know what i'm saying and you get that from hanging around to be like i'm gonna hang around because i feel like this is one of those songs no right so we couldn't get rid of him when we was doing that song

Speaker 4 what about the the bling bling how did he come up with the bling bling it was it was always a line that was used in a song you know like he would and i was like that's kind of clever you know and i always thought like it was something that stood out about it it was something about, you know, it was, it was bling that, you know, Wayne was the first person that I heard to say bling, no doubt.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? But it was something clever about it. So I just had, I don't know, like something just woke me up and was just like bling, bling.

Speaker 4 Every time I come around your city, bling, bling. You know, yeah, when I wrote the hook, I was like, it's something special about this.

Speaker 4 Pinky rig worth about 50. Yeah, I was like, something special about bling.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I like it. And listen, you also, you also shared a very, very, very interesting story coming up with the hook for Baja Man's Who Led the Dogs Out, but not receiving credit.

Speaker 4 Can you tell us how the hookie came out?

Speaker 4 I didn't get credit because I was just joking around.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was at Circle House.
You know,

Speaker 4 there's some people. That's not him.
That's not him. Yeah, I was at Circle House

Speaker 4 when that happened. You know, I was with BB and them.
Like, you know what I'm saying? And somebody just said, like, hey, bro, do you want to, well, one of the dudes from

Speaker 4 the guys who own Circle House in the circle, right? So one of them was just like, Hey, bro, we got somebody in the studio. If you want to work with them, like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 They working on something.

Speaker 4 And I just mentioned, you know what I'm saying, something and playing, like, you know, because I think I was doing Still Fly at the time, and I was like, Hey, how about if y'all try this?

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? I'm hitting the beat going,

Speaker 4 who let the, you know, I'm saying, it was like, Oh, we good? I was like, Yeah, don't worry about it, you know, and it was one of those songs where you hear and you're just like, Damn, I remember that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, so in real life, I'm I'm not supposed to get credit. It was me helping out.
Okay. But it's one of them moments where you say, like, I never thought that song would have been that big.

Speaker 4 You know, right, right. And it turned out to be something you.

Speaker 4 Took off. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Man, if I say, if I, if I put you under the, if I put you under this gun and I say, man, they give me your five best beats. What are you? Damn.

Speaker 4 That's tough, bro. That's hard.
That's tough. That's hard.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I never even thought about it like that. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 I'm going to say,

Speaker 4 let's go from five to one. Like, you know, okay.

Speaker 4 Uh,

Speaker 4 I'll start with probably go DJ, you know what I'm saying? Go DJ, go DJ.

Speaker 4 Um, I'll go from Go DJ to probably

Speaker 4 man,

Speaker 4 get your role on.

Speaker 4 I'll go to get your role on from there. I'll go to from get your role on.

Speaker 4 Let me see. I would say

Speaker 4 TI top back.

Speaker 4 I beat down low. Down.
Let's go.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 That's that early. That early team.

Speaker 4 Then where I'm at. Damn.
I got two more.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yep.
400 degrees and back that ass up. Oh, that's classic.
Classic.

Speaker 4 Classic. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Listen.

Speaker 4 How did you get linked up with Birdman and Cash Money?

Speaker 4 Through me DJing in the club.

Speaker 4 I had a mutual mutual friend that was like hey dude some dudes are starting a label right and i was like i know of them because i dj'd all over new orleans so when we met i was like hey bro i i heard they had they had a record out already but it was something that was kind of i was like that ain't it bro you know i started out with that i was like that ain't it so but if we gonna do this we gonna you know i'm like we gonna do it for real because i'm like i'm i'm all in i'm so we we finally got to a point where they was like okay you know we we gonna get out the streets and we we going to do it the right way.

Speaker 4 You know, and when they made that decision, we started making bounce records. And cash money, the first generation of it was bounce twerk records.
You know, McCarthy to rap.

Speaker 4 BG was the first album that I did. Chopper City was like a rap album and that changed the whole label.
That changed it to, okay, now it's strictly rap in its own.

Speaker 4 Wow. And I see them whiffs behind you.
What you got sitting on? What you got sitting behind? Oh, man, this is my garage. i got uh a couple of rory's right here

Speaker 4 what

Speaker 4 i get style for the get down

Speaker 4 hey yeah let this pan down okay

Speaker 4 is that an m3 that white is that an m3 bmw list of what you call let me bring you over here man come on let me bring you over here this this is a clown shoe a z3

Speaker 4 Okay, a Z3. No, the white one, the one you passed.
What's the one you passed? This is Nissan, 240.

Speaker 4 Okay, 240.

Speaker 4 Okay, the M3. That's a so, what is this? What's that right there? It's an accurate NSX.

Speaker 4 Okay,

Speaker 4 right here. You got a Corvette 65.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Is that a split window? This is a 6'7.

Speaker 4 Okay. Three is the split window.
You got a Kelby Mustang up here. Okay.

Speaker 4 You got an eleanor fitting up there. I see.
This is a 993 Porsche.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 And you got the Merari right there.

Speaker 4 You got another one

Speaker 4 up there.

Speaker 4 Oh, you got another one back here.

Speaker 4 Damn.

Speaker 4 Hey, what's that green? Is that a Porsche? Yeah, as a Porsche.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got the Rover truck right there.

Speaker 4 Okay, Daniel, you got to have that Rover.

Speaker 4 Hey, so you got a combination you like kind of old and that. Hey, I like a little bit of everything, bro.
Okay, right, right. I like that.
I like that. Man, damn, man.

Speaker 4 Hey, can you do your boy? I want a DJ. Let you hook the ball.

Speaker 4 I've been hustling for a long time.

Speaker 4 But let me ask you this, man. Who haven't you worked with that you would love to work with? They dead, bro.
Marvin. Oh, really?

Speaker 4 You said Marvin. One of my favorite artists is kind of out of here already.
You know, right? Damn. Yeah, that's right.
It's not.

Speaker 4 um man j cole let me let me let me let me say yeah um it ain't too many people that i haven't worked with you know

Speaker 4 i'm an old spirit really you can give me shock of kind i'm gonna be all right

Speaker 4 if if if if i didn't work with them they they took something they sampled the music you know borrowed the music right one way or another and i'm very grateful that it's like 27 years later and the world is still you know jamming these records.

Speaker 4 Mandy, did you ever think that when you start, when you was DJing, you follow your dad around to those old, we call them joke joints, hole in the wall.

Speaker 4 Did you ever think that following your dad around and hooking his equipment up and you starting on your own, that it would take you to where you are now? Yeah, yeah, bro.

Speaker 4 I'm somebody who I believe in. saying it, you know, the power of words.

Speaker 4 I've always, yes, till it got on a lot of people's nerves that, you know, you know, when you got somebody, you could write something on your refrigerator, and they like, that will never happen.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, write down that, you know, what I'm going to have a million dollars. And they like, take that, take that off, you know, and I'm like,

Speaker 4 let it sit right there. I need to, I need to see that every day.

Speaker 4 Yes,

Speaker 4 yes. I need to keep on, but I was that person, still it, still that person.
Fuel for me is tell me what I can't do, and I'm going to prove you're wrong.

Speaker 4 I like that.

Speaker 4 Yesterday, man, if somebody asked us, which would be,

Speaker 4 which would look more awkward, me with a beard or ocho with a full head of hair

Speaker 4 look at oh that's that's why y'all got twist why y'all got twist or ocho head

Speaker 4 that's you oh

Speaker 4 hey i look i look normal though yeah Yeah, he do look normal, bro. I look normal.
Man, who gave me that spot beard, though? That's what I would like. I got an old spice commercial ready.

Speaker 4 Yeah, hey, they got, hey, baby, they got with that splotchy ass beard.

Speaker 4 You the blue dude for the old spice commercial.

Speaker 4 It don't connect. It don't connect to the goatee.

Speaker 4 It stops halfway up a face. Come on, man.
Y'all did me wrong.

Speaker 4 That's funny. That's funny.

Speaker 4 My beard look like I got the man.

Speaker 4 See, I still look the same with a head with a full head here.

Speaker 4 Man, so what we got coming up you got it you got any projects in the world you got we on tour you know what i'm saying the hot boys is on tour so you know look for us to come to your city soon you know and right and and the cool thing is i think we've done maybe five shows in all five we've sold out all the stadiums still selling out and there's no opening act none of that it's just us so like i said um i think we got maybe 20 more dates to do and

Speaker 4 I foresee like we probably gonna do 20 more after that. So, you know, we on tour right now, doing it big.
That's live. Many the biggest superstar in your city right now is Zion Williamson.

Speaker 4 He seemingly got his way down. They say he's like 264, which is as light as he's been since he's been there.

Speaker 4 What advice, if you could, if you had an opportunity to sit down, and I don't know if you have, maybe you have, but if you had an opportunity to sit down with Zion, what's some of the advice you would eat?

Speaker 4 Leave them beignets alone.

Speaker 4 But it's hard, hey, man. It's hard to eat healthy in New Orleans.
Because, like you said, you got gumbo, you got pole boy, you got airtu festivals. Exactly what I got to say.
You got everything.

Speaker 4 You got booted.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's tough. That's a tough one.
Hey, man, it, man. Thanks for joining us, man.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 Thank you for all the beats. Thank y'all.
Because, like you said,

Speaker 4 we gave you five, but you got 25.

Speaker 4 And you got anthems. They're not just beats.
They're anthems. And anytime somebody pop those on, the club is going to get hot.
Thank y'all, bro. The stadium is going to get hot.

Speaker 4 Thank y'all for having me, bro. Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 Hey, appreciate it, bro. All the best.
Thank y'all, brother. Appreciate it.
Love you. Man, it's fresh.

Speaker 4 Man, man, hey, I might need to start DJing. Oh, yo, I ain't got no garage like that.

Speaker 4 My garage got two cars in it.

Speaker 4 Old Rand Roger and an old BMW.

Speaker 4 He got some stuff, bro. He played.
Yeah, he got some.

Speaker 4 I ain't got nothing. I ain't going to lie to you.

Speaker 4 Just do it like I'm doing it. Hey, keep it to yourself.
You just, oh, you'll never see it on Instagram.

Speaker 4 Oh, hell no.

Speaker 4 Keep it to yourself. Yeah, cut.
Hey, you put anything you put on Instagram. They're gonna try to come back.
Get it, bro. There you go.
So, good night to y'all, bro. See y'all.
All right.

Speaker 4 All right. Appreciate it, man.
Have a good one, all right, bro.

Speaker 4 Man, that was

Speaker 4 he trying to,

Speaker 4 huh

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 that was great man

Speaker 4 that was live there hey he got some

Speaker 4 the 504 from Weezy to Juvie to BG

Speaker 4 504 the big top hey man they had it that was live

Speaker 4 that bring back some memories boy

Speaker 4 that brings back some good memories hey late 90s early 2000s

Speaker 4 wait

Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, who you think? Let me put it up on my key. Put it up by pass.

Speaker 4 Y'all got me. Y'all got me all that splotchy ass beard.
Hey, hey,

Speaker 4 you know, it's so funny.

Speaker 4 I got a little mini drainage right there. Where's it? I don't like, why they got my headline so far back? Who got my hairline so far back?

Speaker 4 What are we doing?

Speaker 4 My hairline is intact.

Speaker 4 man you look like aj aj who oh yeah aj holloway

Speaker 4 oh e entertainment nah come on nah don't do me like that huh i still i still look like myself hey why y'all bull jamming that beard hey that beard nice hey chat yeah i told you that beard ain't nice tell me that beard ain't nice chat i thought i could see it up close now i got it on my ipad i like that beard i like that so how about how about you grow it out you know i ain't gonna be able to do that on you

Speaker 4 no

Speaker 4 Yeah, that nigga that be here. Got a little salt pepper, that thing too, OJ.
Uh-oh, Ocho. You need to grow it out.

Speaker 4 Ocho, you ain't gonna grow no hair. You can't grow no hair like that.
I can grow all this out. Not like, not, not, not that high.
Yes, I can.

Speaker 4 I had a, I had a mohawk, a blonde mohawk that was high. Remember?

Speaker 4 Man, it wasn't that high. I saw that mohawk.

Speaker 4 I'm just, well, I can't be trimmed down so the helmet would fit.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 I don't know about all that, OJ. I'm just telling you.

Speaker 4 Man,

Speaker 4 if you want to make a little friendly bet,

Speaker 4 I grab me out, man.

Speaker 4 A little friendly wager.

Speaker 4 Hey,

Speaker 4 what y'all think?

Speaker 4 I need to see that.

Speaker 4 that

Speaker 4 tour schedule one more time. Or if somebody can send it to my phone.
So we got eight cities, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so we got eight cities, so I need eight outfits.

Speaker 4 I'm probably gonna double up

Speaker 4 for real,

Speaker 4 yeah, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 Man, y'all, why y'all bulljobs, y'all put a LeBron James beard on me,

Speaker 4 y'all think

Speaker 4 who y'all got?

Speaker 4 We're gonna put it to the poll, Ocho. What are they gonna say?

Speaker 4 I don't know what they gonna say. We just gonna put it to the poll.
Ocho with hair, me with a beard.

Speaker 4 I mean, I look the same. No hair, beard, bald head,

Speaker 4 you know, shaved, need a haircut. Is the AJ Calloway 106 apart? Yeah, that's who we look, AJ from 106 apart.

Speaker 4 Is it Callaway? AJ Calloway, that's who it is. AJ AJ Calloway.
Yeah. That's who you look like right there, with ya.

Speaker 4 Nah, nah.

Speaker 4 Listen, I look like myself. And adding hair on top of my head doesn't change me looking like me.

Speaker 4 You hear me? Nah.

Speaker 4 Nah.

Speaker 4 I mean, I mean, I've gone a couple of, I've gone like a week without shaving.

Speaker 4 Man, getting over that itch. Right.
Oh, man. That's the worst.

Speaker 4 Man, that thing had me want to rub my face on the sidewalk. Yeah, that's the worst.

Speaker 4 Damn.

Speaker 4 And you got to.

Speaker 4 Listen, you got to get past the itching stage in order for it to fill in. That's the part that hurts.
It hurts. Man.

Speaker 4 Ocho, everybody said,

Speaker 4 you look like AJ from 106 and Park.

Speaker 4 Everybody that's saying that AJ from 106 in Park simply because I have hair on my head, they all need to go see the optometrist. All of them.

Speaker 4 That's you, Ocho. Nah, nah, nah.
I look like Ocho.

Speaker 4 I look like me.

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Speaker 4 Oh, Joe, we've got breaking news coming in. A lot of y'all have been commenting in the chat.
Juju Watkins was carried off minutes into the Mississippi State game.

Speaker 4 Watkins was on a fast break, just under five minutes to go. She appeared to have gotten tangled up with a Mississippi State player.
She immediately went down, grabbed her right knee, visibly in pain.

Speaker 4 A foul was called on the Mississippi State Chandler, Chandler Pratt, Prater, Prater.

Speaker 4 Damn, that just happened.

Speaker 4 That just happened. It did.
Damn.

Speaker 4 It did.

Speaker 4 Oh, she's damn.

Speaker 4 Man.

Speaker 4 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 4 She's screaming.

Speaker 4 It didn't look good.

Speaker 4 Oh, my.

Speaker 4 Damn.

Speaker 4 What do you think? I can't see. What do you think it is? You think it's something simple? I don't even want to speculate, but she grabbed her knee

Speaker 4 and she's screaming.

Speaker 4 she immediately grabbed her knee and she's screaming damn

Speaker 4 damn

Speaker 4 i'm hoping for the best though i'm hoping i'm hoping for the best too ojo i don't i don't i don't even i don't even i don't want to i don't want to put that out there let's just say she went down she did not return to the game we're going to wait till they give us a diagnosis after the after this game but it didn't look good damn

Speaker 4 ocho the giants front office was present at cam's ward pro day but noticeably absent was head coach brian dayball it uh

Speaker 4 is unheard of for a head coach not to attend a pro day of their potential first-round pick other teams that were present present the browns the entire titans front office uh if the entire front office is there cam Ward to the Titans.

Speaker 4 What you think, OJo? Yeah, listen, I really don't know what's going to happen. I don't know what's going to happen.
It could be Cam Ward. It could be Shador.

Speaker 4 Hell, it could be Travis Hunter. We never know what's going to happen with that first pick.
Are you sure

Speaker 4 whatever team has a feeling

Speaker 4 that this player can change our franchise around is better than the options that we have that are available right now. They're going to get them.

Speaker 4 And it only takes one team to feel about you a certain way

Speaker 4 to know

Speaker 4 and have that belief. We think this is our guy.

Speaker 4 And the funny thing about this year, the funny thing about this year and this year draft,

Speaker 4 most of the time, the top three picks, you know right away who it's going to be. You know your number one is going to be.
This year,

Speaker 4 we don't know who the number one, we have no idea who the number one pick is going to be. We don't.
And I think it might be a surprise.

Speaker 4 It could. It might be a surprise.
It might surprise us all. So I'm curious to see how this draft is going to play out and where everyone goes.

Speaker 4 But I mean,

Speaker 4 this is one of the few times, one of the few times I had no clue. I have no clue.

Speaker 4 Well, Abdul Carter says he'll be the top overall pick in the draft. He tweeted.
Number one overall pick 30 days away. Don't let all this quarterback need talk fool you.

Speaker 4 It's already known who's the best player, and no quarterback is in that discussion. Like I said, best player goes number one.
Generational, remember, one.

Speaker 4 I like that. I like that.
It's all about having belief in yourself now.

Speaker 4 You know?

Speaker 4 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he is, like I said, I watched him and he was injured, had that hurt shoulder.
Right. And he was still causing problems for Notre Dame

Speaker 4 in that championship game. So I can imagine that burst, you can't coach that.
That's quick. His ability to bend the edge.

Speaker 4 He's special.

Speaker 4 He's going to be special. The question is,

Speaker 4 if you need a quarterback, do you take Abdul Carter, knowing that the quarterback is normally what wins you championships? Right.

Speaker 4 So what are you thinking? Hey, listen, it's all on how they view him. It's all on how they view Can Ward.
It's all on how they view Shadur Sanders.

Speaker 4 Are these players coming in and are they transcending? Are they going to give me the same effect as a C.J. Stroud in Houston, as a Jaden Daniels in Washington,

Speaker 4 immediately turning our franchise around? Is that going to happen?

Speaker 4 That's what it comes down to. Because if you're a Commanders fan, From this point on, as long as you know you have Jaden Daniels, you got a chance.
Yeah. That's a great feeling.

Speaker 4 CJ Shroud, if you're a Texas fan, come hella high water, you know, coming into the season, you got a chance. Simply because of your quarterback play.

Speaker 4 Is Shadora Sanders able to do that? Is Cam Ward going to be able to do that? Depending on where they go?

Speaker 4 True.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying. I tell people it's not how high you go, it's where you go.
Hey, this is so important, huh?

Speaker 4 That is so important.

Speaker 4 Puka Nakura's NFL career is just beginning, but the wide receiver

Speaker 4 already has a retirement age in his mind as he entered his third season with the Rams. I want to retire at age 30, Puka said.

Speaker 4 The pro bow Wild explained that he wants to follow a similar path to Aaron Donald to go out on top. I think it would be super cool.
By the time my kids could be 18, I could be barely walking.

Speaker 4 If you played this game and you sustained all those injuries and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 Don't think like that, Puka. No, yeah, you don't.
You don't. And you won't have to worry about no injuries if you go back on our diet.
If you go back on our diet, you know, now I'm your nutritionist.

Speaker 4 You know what you came in eating when you had that historic rookie season?

Speaker 4 You know what you was eating, right? Then all of a sudden you changed it up, you know, in the offseason and you got nicked up a little bit. You know why? Because of nutrition.

Speaker 4 If it's not broke, don't fix it. Okay.
I played very long time. No injuries.
And I played reckless. I was all over the place.
I was in the air. I was on the floor.
I was running people over.

Speaker 4 No injuries.

Speaker 4 If it's not broke, don't fix it. I don't care what kind of specialists or what they give or what they put in front of you.

Speaker 4 You're going to be one of the greats.

Speaker 4 Puka also said Julio Jones is the best wide receiver in NFL history. The perfect mixture of size and speed.
Like he could run every route on the route tree. He absolutely could.

Speaker 4 And for that size, a wide receiver body, it should look like Julio Jones. Do you agree? Ooh, that's a good one, huh?

Speaker 4 That's a good one, bro. I mean, he could run the, he could.

Speaker 4 And the normally guys that come out of Alabama, Ocho, the one thing they can do

Speaker 4 is run that tree. Oh, yeah, they can run that tree now.

Speaker 4 Calvin Ridley, Amari Cooper, Jerry Judy, Devontae Smith, all Julio, all those guys, Calvin Ridley, all those guys can run the tree, but none of them had the size that Julio had. He's different.

Speaker 4 Because you're looking at a guy that's six foot three, 225 pounds, dropping his hip. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that dig on that comeback, that speed out, the over, the skinny. Hey, he could do it all.
When I think about it, you know who I view? Now, I'm going to get back to the question at hand.

Speaker 4 When I look at Jeremiah Smith, I see Julio Jones a little bit.

Speaker 4 I see Julio. I see a young Julio Jones a little bit.

Speaker 4 So in comparison, when his time comes up, you know, hitting junior year, leaving Ohio State, i guarantee you that's gonna be his nfl comparison um now back to julio being

Speaker 4 he a uh he got to be he's top top five maybe top 10 depending on who you ask

Speaker 4 yeah hey one i'm talking about one of the it all depends on what what you like look for me the three until i'm gonna have to reevaluate in another 10 years right but the top three for me is jerry T.O.

Speaker 4 and Randy. Yeah.
Now, you could debate two and three, but Jerry is always going to be number one. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Now, you can debate two and three. You like Randy? You like T.O.
T.O.2, Randy 3.

Speaker 4 Randy 3, Randy 2, T.O. 3.

Speaker 4 So that's where it goes for me. Now,

Speaker 4 Chase and Jetta and some of these other guys, maybe C.D. Lamb,

Speaker 4 Tyreek, maybe going to have something to say about that. But,

Speaker 4 man,

Speaker 4 Julio especially.

Speaker 4 Julio in his prime. Yeah.
I mean, guy that size, running 4-3, jumping out of the gym. he would very the real

Speaker 4 thing is on Cho

Speaker 4 Julio reminded me of T.O.

Speaker 4 T.O. ran angry, T.O.
played angry. Yeah,

Speaker 4 you want TO to catch a hitch? That corner ain't gonna tackle it. No,

Speaker 4 yo, and he might take it to the house,

Speaker 4 yeah, he might take it to the house. Yes, you ain't never seen, you ain't never seen 81 get caught from behind.
I could say, I could say yes,

Speaker 4 he uh uh uh he would like a T.O.

Speaker 4 He catch that hit. If you ever let him face you up, you hey, you better get him while he likes this.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 if he do this, yeah, and look, you and your

Speaker 4 is it right, come on, safety. I, all I'm trying to do, hey, I'm trying to, I'm trying to shadow him.
Yeah, come on, safety, come here, come on, I'm gonna force him back inside,

Speaker 4 man. Hey,

Speaker 4 man, Julio had a stretch there, man. A good one.

Speaker 4 He and Matt Ryan. Hey, they was they was on fire.

Speaker 4 They had a good run now. Real good run.

Speaker 4 They had a rapport. I hated that Julio had to leave.

Speaker 4 But, you know, it's like anything, Ocho.

Speaker 4 You pay, you pay, you pay, you pay, you pay. Yeah.
If you don't want a Super Bowl, you're going to have to break it up. You saw what the 49ers had to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You see,

Speaker 4 even

Speaker 4 Kansas City, you know, you lost Justin Reed. Yeah.
Remember, you lost

Speaker 4 Legeria Sneed.

Speaker 4 You can't pay everybody, Ocho. Yeah, you're right.
You see, Joe Tooney, they had to let him go.

Speaker 4 Damn.

Speaker 4 They needed to.

Speaker 4 Remember, they had Ritchell Schwartz and they had Wiley. They had to let those guys go.
You can't pay everybody.

Speaker 4 You just hope that while we're paying these guys, we can get a bowl or two. Because if you get a bowl, it's worth it.
They got it. It's worth it.
Because they're so hard to come by. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 no hey yeah but poop hey

Speaker 4 everybody says that now yeah um it's different because ad was in the trenches getting doubled every damn play and he said man i just hey i don't want to put that kind of time in again and what you see with this receiver money going yeah

Speaker 4 hey i'm gonna play as long as they as long as they're sending out checks i'm gonna play

Speaker 4 especially if i go out oh i'm not gonna embarrass myself now you know what i'm saying yeah if i'm out there if all of a sudden i go from catching 80 90 balls and they talk talk about, hey, we want you to be the fourth receiver,

Speaker 4 I'm up out of there.

Speaker 4 I can't do that.

Speaker 4 What you think about me going back to play? No?

Speaker 4 Nah.

Speaker 4 It's over. How do you know?

Speaker 4 It's been over.

Speaker 4 For 15 years, it's been over. I know, but I just got the phone call.
So I'm just curious.

Speaker 4 Nah. That's your, they say you need to play your easy pass.

Speaker 4 They call you riding the edge of V-load. That's the only people calling your ass.

Speaker 4 Man,

Speaker 4 ain't nobody calling you the punny. That's a young man game, man.

Speaker 4 That lateral stuff. Ocho, you know what? You probably still could run straight ahead.
Oh, I can't. I can.

Speaker 4 I can run straight ahead fast as hell. It's that lateral.
Yeah. Your whole thing was predicated on lateral quickness.
Uh-huh. Slipping.
Getting up out of there. Dipping that shoulder.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 dipping that shoulder in there. Get skinny.
Hey, because what a guy do hey you yeah

Speaker 4 because you never hey you played on angle yeah your whole thing was to never give him your whole don't give him

Speaker 4 oh never ever i'm slipping i'm sliding

Speaker 4 i'm dipping

Speaker 4 it's hard it's hard

Speaker 4 you say i can't do it no more

Speaker 4 It's hard, man. And that's the thing with people don't understand.
Guys can still run fast

Speaker 4 in a straight line. Straight ahead.

Speaker 4 But as a receiver, you need lateral quickness

Speaker 4 to get up out of there. And if you don't, if you don't, if you don't have that lateral quickness, you got to be good.
You got to be good with your hands

Speaker 4 and your technique with somebody up in front of you.

Speaker 4 Or you got to be big like a T.O. that play through contact.
Calvin Johnson, play through contact. Julio, play through contact.
Hey, if you're smart. That tug and pull, huh? I still don't understand.

Speaker 4 T.O. used to do it.
Brandon Marshall used to do it. Julio Jones used to do it.

Speaker 4 They welcome the contact and want you to grab and they put from the inside they pull and tug you right through

Speaker 4 man i tried i tried that tug and pull one time in practice man

Speaker 4 i ended up i ended up opening on the sideline with the coop

Speaker 4 first of all children you need to if you think about the guys that you said that yeah look how tall they are yeah

Speaker 4 to be able to reach yeah

Speaker 4 man now you're talking about guys 220 225 230 yeah that's able to play through contact yeah

Speaker 4 see your whole thing is like, you're trying to play on edges. You ain't trying to get physical with nobody.

Speaker 4 Cause, hey,

Speaker 4 if they stab,

Speaker 4 well, hey, I show Hulk Carson, listen to that other, look at that other side.

Speaker 4 They got me.

Speaker 4 Well, TJ was just the opposite. TJ wanted to play contact.

Speaker 4 TJ was a big physical receiver. He liked that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's funny. Matthew Stafford hyped up Devontae Adams signing.
I have a ton of respect for him, the way he goes about his business and the way he plays the game.

Speaker 4 He's been a big, he's been big time in this league for a long time. So happy to have him.
I know he's going to be a big addition to our team.

Speaker 4 Ocho, with the addition of Devontae and Puka, what's the ceiling? I mean, the ceiling is very high. The ceiling is very high because not only do you add another

Speaker 4 exquisite route runner that can run the entirety of the tree, but then I look at it with the Cooper Cup situation.

Speaker 4 You had Cooper Cup, he had Puka Nakua, and Puka was still getting

Speaker 4 all the balls, all the numbers. They were putting him in positions to make the plays.
So exactly, how are you going to go about using Devontae Adams and his strengths and what he can do?

Speaker 4 Where he can play anywhere, play on the outside, you play on the inside, you put him in motion, you do whatever you want to do. How are they going to use him?

Speaker 4 I'm still thinking about that factor because you had Cooper Cup there and there's really nothing wrong with him, but his numbers didn't look the same after coming off a goddamn triple crown here.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So I'm definitely

Speaker 4 curious about.

Speaker 4 Ocho, think about it. How many Cooper Cup caught 140-something balls? Yes, sir.
Then he caught another 30-plus in the playoffs. Yes, sir.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Let's just say he had, I think he had like 14, 15 touchdowns. Let's say he had 18 touchdowns.

Speaker 4 How many times, if you catch 175 balls, how many targets did you get?

Speaker 4 How many times do you get hit? How many times do you hit the ground? I'm not so sure a receiver has ever had as many collisions as Cooper Cup had in that season.

Speaker 4 So now you're right.

Speaker 4 And you remember when you go to the Super Bowl, you play an extra three, four weeks. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, man. I just listen.
Listen, I just, I hope they make him part of the offense, you know?

Speaker 4 Because the way things were going, boy,

Speaker 4 they were feeding Puka, boy. I'm talking about feeding him.
He stepped on somebody's ankle.

Speaker 4 What happened?

Speaker 4 Oh, Jason Tatum just stepped on somebody's ankle and went down. Hey, he stepped on Sabona's.
I know how he shot a three, made it, and came down on his ankle.

Speaker 4 Sabona's not supposed to be standing up underneath him.

Speaker 4 You know that.

Speaker 4 They know that.

Speaker 4 Yo, yeah, they call that now. They gave him a flagrant one.
They did?

Speaker 4 Yeah, they did. They did.

Speaker 4 Ocho, you got to come back for this one. I'm right here.

Speaker 4 I guess Rennie Ricci's boyfriend kicked her out of the house after Kevin Gates

Speaker 4 recently released a song claiming the child

Speaker 4 is here. Claiming they had a child.
Wait, who? Rennie Ricci and her baby daddy, Black Zach

Speaker 4 was going at it live because Kevin Gates dropped the song mentioning Rennie. He thought Kevin said him.
And Renny had a child. And Kevin Gates' song, he said, I did Renny wrong.

Speaker 4 And I admit it, we got children, but I keep that ish respectful to protect your image.

Speaker 4 I think that's real?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I don't know.
But listen, I mean,

Speaker 4 it's an easy fix. It's an easy fix.
All you do is you go get a DNA test and find out who the child is or who the child is from. That's not hard.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I wouldn't kick her out of the house. That ain't nice, especially if she got a child from you.
But maybe you think it's your child.

Speaker 4 Okay, oh, my bad. My bad.
My bad. My bad.
What did you say? You know, she got to go?

Speaker 4 She got to go? I mean, I don't know if I look,

Speaker 4 you don't kept it hushed this long. You might as well just keep it hushed, bro.
Wait, so you think it's true?

Speaker 4 I don't know, but I'm saying, it don't matter if I think it's true. He thinks it's true.
Wait a minute. Hold on.
I got another thing. Why are people putting the two together?

Speaker 4 How do we know he still he was talking about the same girl? What if it's not? What if it's not another girl named Renee? How many Renee do you you know?

Speaker 4 If somebody says, I got a baby from Ocho Seco, they're like, it could be somebody else. Oh, nah, shit.
Wait, we shouldn't say that.

Speaker 4 Ain't nobody had nothing.

Speaker 4 How many renies you know? Yeah, you, you, okay, okay. Hey, hey, why would he put on, why would he put on blasts like that?

Speaker 4 Oh, that's what I, that's all I'm asking. I don't know.
You think I have a question. You think this is strictly content, like maybe for content or just

Speaker 4 a story?

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm not making no content to make somebody else look bad. Okay.

Speaker 4 If I got a child with somebody and she happily married or she with that person, why would I bring out something that's going to cause dissension in their house? Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's just me. I mean, look, to each his own.
I don't know. And then when you say it like that, I don't like the way that sound, but that hurt that boy.
And maybe, hey, I don't know.

Speaker 4 They say she on Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. I mean, she in.

Speaker 4 So like I said,

Speaker 4 what i don't know what's real i don't see she she she on tv right now it might be just to help bolster views or or something because it doesn't it doesn't if you got a dude you're living with a dude yes and y'all y'all have a child but then someone else in this in this instance kevin gates comes and says say i'm not baby pappy i'm not baby pappy now that that just

Speaker 4 i i don't know I don't know. It's happened.

Speaker 4 I'm saying it's happened before. There have been many examples of this before.

Speaker 4 But, oh, man, that's tough, dear boy. That's tough.
But I still think it might be for other

Speaker 4 reasons as opposed to actually being real. But again, I don't know because I'm not behind closed doors with them.

Speaker 4 Hey, I wasn't there, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 Hey, she's fine, though, huh?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't know her.
Oh, okay. Well, I'm telling you, she's fine.

Speaker 4 Man, I don't want to. I'm telling you.
I'm telling you, she's fine. Oh, she's fine.
Oh, yes, sir. You hear me? Hey, she's fine.

Speaker 4 You can say

Speaker 4 you can say that.

Speaker 4 Every time I pay somebody a compliment, they get upset. So I'm done.
I don't pay nobody no compliments. Hold on, man.

Speaker 4 I just, I'm just, I'm, I'm saying it respectfully, you know, you know, with all parties involved, respectfully, she's fine as frog hair. Now, there's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, ain't nothing wrong with that. She's fine.

Speaker 4 I'll take your word for it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Just use your Google real quick.

Speaker 4 No, I'm good.

Speaker 4 I don't need no Google.

Speaker 4 I don't even want to see. I don't even care.

Speaker 4 I don't care enough to. Okay, I got you.
I got you. But listen, I mean, listen, she's aesthetically pleasing.
How about that? I'll take you work.

Speaker 4 Okay.

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