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Speaker 4 Former heavyweight champion, George Cormann, has passed away at the age of 76. George Corman, a two-time

Speaker 4 world heavyweight champ. an Olympic gold medalist, if I'm not mistaken, in 1968, who was regarded as one of the hardest punches in boxing history.

Speaker 4 One of his most memorable punches, he knocked out Michael Moore despite being down by all and all the scorecards in 1994 to reclaim his heavyweight championship belt at the age of 45.

Speaker 4 He was inducted into the both World Boxing Hall of Fame and the

Speaker 4 International Boxing Hall of Fame. Big George, if I'm not mistaken,

Speaker 4 George was the heavyweight champion in 1968 in Mexico City.

Speaker 4 George Frazier was the Joe Frazier was the heavyweight champion in 64.

Speaker 4 I think if I'm not mistaken, I think it's Tokyo. And then Ali was 1960 in Rome.
And so we had a great, you know, boxing used to be, we used to dominate boxing. We don't do it anymore, OJo.

Speaker 4 But we used to dominate, Americans used to dominate the sport of boxing.

Speaker 4 And I think George, a lot of people remember for the loss that he had against Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle.

Speaker 4 Some of his famous fights when he knocked that,

Speaker 4 he almost killed Joe Frazier. And that's when Muhammad Ali was, down goes Frazier.
Frazier. Down goes Frazier.
And he kept knocking him down.

Speaker 4 And Joe kept getting up until they finally finally knocked him out and the fight was over. One of his most famous fights, guys, if you get a chance, go YouTube this fight.

Speaker 4 Now, it's not artistically pretty, but you're talking about two guys just throwing haymakers. You will never see another heavyweight fight like this.
George Foreman against Ron Lyle. Oh, Ron.

Speaker 4 Okay, okay. I don't know if you've ever seen it chat, but if you get an opportunity,

Speaker 4 please watch this fight. Now, it's not a thing of beauty.
It's not great defense. It's just two guys throwing haymakers upside each other's head.

Speaker 4 And both fighters go down, get up, the other one down, get up, knock the other one down. It's as good a heavyweight fight and you'll see.
Foreman prevail.

Speaker 4 But, and now, I don't know how many people, but he started this George Foreman grill.

Speaker 4 I got three of them. Oh, Joe, I had two smaller, then I got the big one that's about this big.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 I did.

Speaker 4 When I was back when I was playing, that's what we used to cook on. So I cooked hamburgers, we cooked steak and things like that on the George Foreman grill.

Speaker 4 And if you had one, you guys know what I'm talking about. It had the lines on it.
All your meat

Speaker 4 would have

Speaker 4 those lines on it. But it was great.
And

Speaker 4 I'm so sad to see Big George because, you know, he turned his life over to God. He became an ordained minister.

Speaker 4 He got a big family, loved his kids, loved his wife. And unfortunately, George Foreman passed away

Speaker 4 at the ripe age of 76.

Speaker 4 Oh, man, listen, obviously, you know, and the people in the chat, I'm sure you guys know how enthusiastic and passionate I am about the sport of boxing and combat sports in general.

Speaker 4 Obviously, I wasn't old enough to be able to watch George Foreman, but I was able to go back and watch some of the fights with him and Ali,

Speaker 4 Joe Frazier, and some others. And he's one of the all-time greats.
He's one of the all-time greats. And it's very sad.

Speaker 4 uh to hear of his passing and normally most of the time you know we celebrate when someone passes on. And I went back and watched some of his best fights.
I watched some of his best fights.

Speaker 4 I wasn't in town at the time of his passing. So, I mean, it was sad to hear a legend, definitely a legend, legend gone.
It is.

Speaker 4 It's so sad. But like I said, I mean, George,

Speaker 4 he loved his country because if you go back and look, he got the little American flags and he's waving them in the ring because he's proud to be on America, especially in 68.

Speaker 4 Everybody knows what was going on in 68. That was the height of the civil rights movement, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 Dr. King had just gotten assassinated in April.
And I think the Summer Olympics had just

Speaker 4 was happening a little later that summer.

Speaker 4 And so America was on the edge. That's also

Speaker 4 Carlos and Tommy Smith being kicked out for raising on the podium when they finished 1-3 in the 200 meetings.

Speaker 4 Hey, speaking of Mr. Smith, you know, when I was at Oregon State, the head coach, I mean, Oregon State, when I was at Santa Monica Junior College, my head coach was Robert Taylor.
Rest in peace.

Speaker 4 Tommy Tommy Smith was a track coach at Santa Monica Junior College during my time there. Yep.
Yep. Yeah, that's crazy.
So

Speaker 4 George Foreman, gone at the age of 76, gone but never forgotten. We'll remember his contributions to what he did for the sport of boxing, what he did for his community.

Speaker 4 And George Foreman, and our thoughts and prayers go out to him, to his family, and all those impacted by the passing of George Foreman, gone at the age of 76.

Speaker 4 Ocho March Madness has zero perfect brackets that remain. More than 35, 34 million brackets was entered.
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Speaker 4 84, 75 win over number six Illinois, busted the final bracket. So, Ocho, this is the first time that a men's perfect bracket has lasted until the second round since.

Speaker 4 2019. In 2024, the last perfect men's bracket was busted in the 31st game of the tournament.

Speaker 4 Are you surprised that there are no perfect brackets remaining?

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm not surprised because if you look at the odds when it comes to having a perfect bracket and winning prize money or winning something for having the perfect bracket, I mean, you would know the chance of winning

Speaker 4 or having the perfect bracket is less likely than actually winning the lotto, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 4 Statistically, and if it's like that, the chance of having a perfect bracket, you would have to almost guess or create multiple brackets at that to actually have one that goes perfect and have it different scenarios in the way games are going to play out.

Speaker 4 Because if you look at it, this unknown only comes down to one game. It comes down to one game.

Speaker 4 I was excited and didn't even create a bracket. I just went on a limb and said, you know what? Hell, St.
John's is going to win the whole thing. And St.
John's done, they didn't win in the lost.

Speaker 4 They didn't lost in the second round. So if I had a bracket, which I didn't, the goddamn one team I did pick, now they going home yep

Speaker 4 and because normally if your team normally it's hard for you to win a bracket if the team that you picked up win the tournament gets knocked out early because think about all the because you had them winning they got knocked out the route of 32.

Speaker 4 so now they don't make the sweet 16 they don't make the elite eight they don't make the final four so one side of your bracket is already gone unless you're perfect on the other side it's hard for you to overcome that but this is why people love marketing madness so much is the uncertainty, the

Speaker 4 unpredictability of college basketball. Cause you're not dealing with professionals here, Ocho.
You're dealing with kids. You're dealing with 18 to 20, 21 year old kids.

Speaker 4 Maybe some are a little older now because of the portal and what we had with COVID. So sometimes the kids are 22, 23 years of age.

Speaker 4 But you're still dealing with, you're not dealing with professionals, although some of them are getting paid. So I guess you would consider theoretically considered professionals.

Speaker 4 But when you look at it like that, Ocho,

Speaker 4 I'm not surprised. I'm surprised there haven't been more upsets.
Because normally we get more. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Normally comes, I don't think we had, we don't, we didn't have any like, what, 13, 14 seeds that, that, that upset anybody this year.

Speaker 4 Normally we have a 13 to 14 seed, a 15 seed that would upset somebody.

Speaker 4 It's just, it's just hard now, Ocho, because the freshmans, if you're really good, you leave.

Speaker 4 And the portal guys going back to going one school here and didn't like the amount of playing time or they got into it with coaches or whatever the case may be. And so now, guys,

Speaker 4 the talent is spread. Guys are not just going to Carolina, Duke and Kentucky, and Kansas.
Guys are spreading out. Yukon, even though they lost today to Florida.

Speaker 4 But that's what happened. That's what happened.

Speaker 4 And you're going to see this, start to see this, I think, a little bit more in football also, Ocho, the unpredictability of college football because the guys are starting to spread out.

Speaker 4 Because you know what? There are a lot of teams that got money.

Speaker 4 Now, they might not have as much as Ohio State or say of Michigan or Alabama or Georgia, but hey, considering I was going to get nothing and I can get 200, 300,000, that's pretty good money for an 18-year-old that's entering college.

Speaker 4 And no, when I think about it, you talk about the landscape and how the dynamic of the playing field has somewhat even because players are going everywhere.

Speaker 4 I think when it comes to college football, I think that's already happened. I think it's already happened.
That's how you think of it.

Speaker 4 You think of the days when the hurricanes, the Florida Gators and the Florida, and the Seminoles used to absolutely

Speaker 4 dominate collegiate football and get all the great players, especially from down here in Florida, as opposed to now, Listen, the kids out of Florida and Texas and in LA, they're going everywhere.

Speaker 4 They're going to Ohio State, they're going to Alabama. Look at Amari Cooper, look at Jerry Judy, look at Jeremiah Smith.
He's at Ohio State. Yeah,

Speaker 4 look at Lamar Jackson. He's from Florida.
He went to Louisville.

Speaker 4 So, where guys, the guys from Florida would normally stay home, they like, nah, we go. Get out of there.
Yeah, we go.

Speaker 4 And so, you know, if Florida could actually keep their guys, that's why Florida, Florida State,

Speaker 4 Miami, the

Speaker 4 that's why they were so good because they normally kept that homegrown talent yeah now that homegrown talent they leave yeah and so uh uh ridley in cavalry didn't cavalry

Speaker 4 yeah cavin really he and his brother they they they went out of state and so hey you you're right ocho i think because the guys are starting to leave and starting to spread out

Speaker 4 you're going to see you're going to the likelihood you see the domination that you once saw no i don't know if we're going to see that again no it's not going to happen listen unless unless unless there's some booster from somewhere that comes along with an an abnormal amount of money and it's starting and start let's say u am for example or florida state in order to in order for them to get back to their dominating ways they have to come in come in that come into these homes yes and offer some of these five star start five star kids or steal players from other other schools yeah yeah that's what you're gonna need to do

Speaker 4 yeah based on the amount of money they're willing to pay them yeah in order to get them back in order for the hurricanes or the seminars to get back to how it was back in the 90s.

Speaker 4 You got to keep all homegrown kids right here within the state.

Speaker 4 Um, when you look at Ocho, and like you said, okay,

Speaker 4 you got to get a kid that was like you like a Jordan Addison, he won the Bolitena Cuff award at Piet, and now he ends up at USC.

Speaker 4 USC, yeah, because you got those big movie studio execs and all those guys that went to USC. That's a big film school, yeah.
Uh, uh, which one of those? Uh, is it Katzenberg

Speaker 4 or David Geffen that went to USC?

Speaker 4 It's one of them. Because SKG is Spielberg,

Speaker 4 Katz,

Speaker 4 and Geffen.

Speaker 4 Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen. SKG?

Speaker 4 But I know one of them got a film school named after him in USC.

Speaker 4 Because they started Pixar, didn't they?

Speaker 4 SKG.

Speaker 4 Spielberg, David Geffen.

Speaker 4 But that's what you're going to have to have, OJo. You're going to have to have, like you said, those big guys

Speaker 4 to have that kind of money. You see a Larry Ellison, his wife, went to Michigan.
He intervened and got Rice Underwood to flip from LSU to Michigan. Yep.

Speaker 4 DreamWorks, SKG, Spielberg, Katzenberg, and Geffen, right? Which one went to USC? Because one of them has has a Spirim school named after him. I think it's David Geffen.

Speaker 4 But it might be Katzenberg. DreamWorks, yeah, not Pixar.

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Speaker 4 Cooper Flag scores 18 points in his second round win over Baylor. The Blue Devils finished the first half on a 12-0 run, and

Speaker 4 the run didn't slow down after the half, asserting their dominance in an 89-66 win.

Speaker 4 Cooper Flag was once again again the best player on the court, finishing with 18 points, nine rebounds, six assists, and a block.

Speaker 4 While Tyrese Proctor added 25 points and shot seven of eight from the three, Duke have been dominant and has shown that they still can win it all. You're absolutely right, Ocho.

Speaker 4 They've looked like the most impressive team that I've seen in the tournament. Hey, from top to bottom, from top to bottom in every phase on the court.

Speaker 4 in transition, on offense, on defense, everything about Duke looks phenomenal. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 I think they might be the anomaly.

Speaker 4 I might be using anomaly in the wrong context in the instance where I'm talking about Duke might be in one of the teams where, regardless of what day it is, they probably will beat everybody.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure who can compete with them or contend with them.

Speaker 4 You would probably be better versed and well-knowledge in the game of collegiate basketball to tell me: is there a team that can actually challenge Duke

Speaker 4 based on what I've seen so far and based on what I've seen during the regular season? Right.

Speaker 4 Hold on for a second. Wouldn't you say all of them went to USC? All of them have schools named after them.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's all. We're not surprised.
So that's how USC is able to get be able to flip, get Jordan Addison after he won the Blitnacop war that Pitt get him to come to USC.

Speaker 4 But Cooper Flagged, he looked good. I mean,

Speaker 4 you watched him at high school at Mount Verde,

Speaker 4 Mount Verde, and he was sensational. And he hadn't disappointed.

Speaker 4 He looks like he's gonna be the presumptuous number one overall pick in this upcoming draft oh so he's not coming back that man ain't coming back

Speaker 4 you want to go to the you want to go to the nba how can you get higher than number one i can see if he's going to be like a uh end of the end of the lottery pick right he's going to be number one to do come back to do what

Speaker 4 Hey, it's so funny

Speaker 4 watching him play today and watching Cooper Flag. He just reminded me so much of myself when I was in high school.
Our game is very similar, very similar.

Speaker 4 know, he can score, he can score from anywhere, mid-range, you know, put the ball on the floor, take people along, you know, in the post, back, no, back to the basket.

Speaker 4 I mean, just it's, he can shoot the three a little bit. I mean, it's just very reminiscent of myself, you know, in high school back in 1991.

Speaker 4 And it's a joy to watch. It's a joy to watch.
Somebody say Cooper flagged the best prospect since LeBron. Did you not just see Wimby come out last year?

Speaker 4 So he's a a better prospect than Wimby.

Speaker 4 You feel comfortable saying that?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Hey, listen, one thing about one thing about us in general, people, in general, society, we are prisoners of the moment. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Whatever is hot right now, that's what it is. And you forget about some of the great players that have come in the past.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, nigga, my dog. Titan, what's up, baby? Boy, you could, hey, you couldn't let you couldn't let me get no more, no more moments, huh?

Speaker 4 You've been tight.

Speaker 4 He's said, my auntie said, my auntie had me for 10 days, and uh, I was ready for her to leave, oh Joe.

Speaker 4 So she'd be stingy, so she don't want to be sharing no chicken tenders, she'll share nothing.

Speaker 4 So I was ready for her to go. You good?

Speaker 4 Uh, inflate gate, oh Joe, players are complaining about overinflated basketballs.

Speaker 4 Here's a list of the players that have spoken out about the absurdity of the ball over inflation in the NCA tournament game.

Speaker 4 Oh, come on man you know you had sam decker kobe bray co uh coleman hawkins uh joseph girard i third don't connect last year amondo baycott uh hunter dixon um what do you think ocho is it something or nothing man i mean to me honestly it's nothing i wouldn't be complaining about the ball you know when you were growing up sometimes you had to worry but you you could you had no control over the conditions huh you're playing outdoor you play indoor sometimes there's no net sometimes there's nets sometimes it's chain net sometimes it's a double rim yeah Sometimes the ball is flat, sometimes the ball is full.

Speaker 4 Either way, you adapt, you make the adjustments necessary. Now you see what I mean? Now we got players that done got to college.
Now they complain about the goddamn ball and begin how we grew up.

Speaker 4 Well, I'm not sure how they grew up.

Speaker 4 Everybody had a silver spoon based on this area that's in college right now. I'm just, listen,

Speaker 4 I ain't even had no shoes. I had the hoop and pee class and a pair of chucks.

Speaker 4 Everybody's hooping chucks. I know, but I'm just saying, I'm still hooping the chucks and they talk talk about, oh, the ball is too much in the ball.

Speaker 4 Man, if you're going to go out there and play basketball and adjust and adapt to the goddamn ball, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 Man, hey,

Speaker 4 boy, hey, Chad, I was the chat that assaulted me, boy.

Speaker 4 Boy, back in back in 1990.

Speaker 4 You look like you played in the 60s, the way you holded that basketball.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 I have an unorthodox grip. You hear me? I got an unorthodox grip.
I have an unorthodox game.

Speaker 4 You do?

Speaker 4 So do you, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 Do you think that you think there's something to this? What should the NCH? Should they look into it? Should they check the ball?

Speaker 4 Hey, honestly, honestly, as a player, I'm just saying, as a competitor, I wouldn't care about that. That's just me.
Now, I can't speak on behalf of the players.

Speaker 4 If they're saying maybe the ball has too much air in it, I mean, maybe it does.

Speaker 4 Should that affect your game in any way? No. When you shoot the ball,

Speaker 4 don't hit the rim. When you put the ball on the floor, you know what to do with it.
No air,

Speaker 4 a lot of air,

Speaker 4 it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't affect anything.

Speaker 4 That's just me. I ain't complaining about no damn ball.
I'm going out there and I'm from the hoop. If you're a true hooper,

Speaker 4 now I'm talking about a true hooper. If you're a true hooper, you adapt.
Regardless of circumstance,

Speaker 4 I ain't tell you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

Speaker 4 You think the player, they go to rugged part, they complain about the ball being, having too much air? Well, I think sometimes these arenas are bigger than what they normally play in.

Speaker 4 I think, you know, you heard a little NBA player saying you got to get used because the depth perception. Because you used to play it and now they're playing in multi-purposes arena.

Speaker 4 And so maybe, maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe the ball could be overinflated.
It's a little, you know. Go ahead.
I have a question.

Speaker 4 Don't they have shoot around in college football and college basketball too, right? Yeah.

Speaker 4 There's plenty of time to make the necessary adjustments to your game, to your skill set, based on the balls that you are using. Me personally, I'm just saying, they have a right to complain.

Speaker 4 It's just something I wouldn't complain about. Before we have a football game, what does the coach tell you to go do two hours before the game? Go out there and test the what? Test your shoes.

Speaker 4 So you know what shoes you need to wear because you might have to make the necessary adjustments based on the field you plan on. Yep.

Speaker 4 Come on, now we talk about a ball having too much air, man we ain't even had no air in our balls in peed back in the 80s and we i

Speaker 4 i made do just like that

Speaker 4 talking about the ball got too much air in it man child please man come on now the liberty flames got blown out their first round of the 2025 nca tournament by the oregon ducks unfortunately liberty head coach richie mckay uh that might not have been the worst part of the night mckay was interviewed on the sideline by one of the reporters on the broadcast oh joe take a look at this photo yeah

Speaker 4 bro does he not know that we know that that's fray

Speaker 4 hey hey hey hey hey hey let hey let young boy live his life man that's that good beijing you hear me but oh joe but you if you notice you can't do you got first of all he got you you got you got to cut it down some because you can't have that much hair and didn't have that because they he got that thing looking like carlos booza hey chad y'all remember carlos booza when that dad had that thing slicked down had it had a nice little beard.

Speaker 4 Hey, maybe, maybe he didn't realize it. And maybe because the light, you see the light shining on his forehead, maybe it's the light from the camera that's

Speaker 4 that making it look worse than what it really is.

Speaker 4 I'm glad they got blown out.

Speaker 4 Can you imagine had it not got blown out and it's a closed game and he's starting to sweat? Ooh,

Speaker 4 man, hey, you see some of those Baptist ministers, them Baptist ministers be up there in that pool pit and they got that faith in hippie gig that started starting dripping down. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hey, don't do him like that.

Speaker 4 I'll just tell you, Chad, Chad, know what I'm talking about. They know, man, he's wrong for that little joke.
You can't go out there like, like, we, we, now, you know what?

Speaker 4 Our counterparts matter and say nothing, but I guarantee every black person that watched that has something to say.

Speaker 4 Always, you know, we ain't gonna let nothing, hey, listen, we ain't gonna let nothing slide. It's hard to say nothing like that.
Listen, on national television, oh no.

Speaker 4 He got that good Beijing. Yeah.
Oh, and you about that, you see him at church. You ain't gonna say nothing to church, but as soon as you get up, church ground, you said that you're here and just here.

Speaker 4 I don't know what he thought that was.

Speaker 4 Oh, oh no, you can't

Speaker 4 oh, Joe. You see, that's when you start getting them calculated in the you might as well go ahead and cut it down.
It's just a matter of time, just let it go. Yeah, he got them t-talks.

Speaker 4 That's them tea tops. You know, back in the day, you didn't have the convertible, you had the t-talk, right? And like the Camaro, the Camaro, yeah, there you go.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 That's the Camaro and the firebird. Nah, man, hey

Speaker 4 and he just oh yo why he just put it he should went ahead and just put it all over you can't just it's two-tone yeah he got his regular hair and then this thing you're jet black

Speaker 4 well listen maybe it maybe it didn't start maybe maybe what if it didn't start off that way maybe how about it maybe it got like that at the beginning of the game It wasn't like that.

Speaker 4 Stress, sweating, and that's how that was the outcome of it. No, if it had been, if he, if that game had been close and he he started sweating, that thing had been all down his forehead.

Speaker 4 Hey, you remember how Rudy, hey, y'all remember Rudy Giuliani? You remember how

Speaker 4 he started sweating because he had that rinse in there? And he started sweating. That thing was all over his face.
That's exactly what would have happened to him because that's that spray.

Speaker 4 That ain't that Beijing.

Speaker 4 I got that colour. You know, I ain't got that rinse here.
This here ain't going to sweat. But he got that spray.
That spray, you get hard and start sweating.

Speaker 4 That's going to start coming down your face. Wait, hold on.
Now you just said something.

Speaker 4 You said something.

Speaker 4 I ain't for let that go by. You say you, you, you got the Beijing too? I sure do.

Speaker 4 For real? Yep.

Speaker 4 Okay, okay. I like that.
I like that. I like that.

Speaker 4 But first of all, there are a lot of people who got it. You ain't about to be 50.
First of all, I'm not Pakistani. I'm not Indian descent.
So my hair ain't going to be jet black at no for them 50.

Speaker 4 Right. And I ain't the only one.
There are a lot of more. There's a lot of more foes on television.

Speaker 4 Y'all must be fake.

Speaker 4 Come on now. Hold on, hold on.
This is what you need to do. Now, this might be one of the reasons why you ain't been able to find you somebody, somebody you actually won't.

Speaker 4 Now, if you're in your 50s, you know, women love a little salt and pepper. So you might, you might, you can stop letting me get it on this plate, but it damn sure ain't gonna be in my head.

Speaker 4 You better put it on your plate, your food.

Speaker 4 Because

Speaker 4 every chance I get, I'm going to joke. Hey, color the thing up, Joe, color it up.
Hey, you don't want to, you don't want to just, you don't want to let the,

Speaker 4 what it think about how think about how you look, though, with the all gray. No, I don't have no all gray.
No?

Speaker 4 Okay, okay. I would listen, I'm just throwing somebody just to, just to give them a different look, give the women a different perspective of you.

Speaker 4 Hey, the chat has seen me. I ain't trying to fool nobody.
I mean, y'all seen me a couple of times when I can't get back home or get it colored. Hey, I got that gray coming in.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know what it is. Right.
He damn edges. Hey, Unk, I'm telling you, you should try it one time.
Hey, somebody, somebody use ai or something and then change onk hair color to green

Speaker 4 i just want to see how it look you you might like it man women love a little salt and pepper now you know that that just let them know that you seasoned i am hey look i'll pick yourself mocho yeah

Speaker 4 uh uh but i don't know now you can't do that though i mean like i said hey if he'd have had it all one color if he'd have had it all that we we'd have still not we probably wouldn't have noticed it as much right right but like a lot of times they do that spray to have the edge edges crispy.

Speaker 4 So, what they do, they use that spray to get them edges crispy. Right.
So, it's a little darker than the rest of the head of the hair, but that's too much.

Speaker 4 You got that thing looking like shoe polish.

Speaker 4 Hey, I don't know if you ever shine shoes, Ocho, but my grandfather used to have me and my brother shine his shoes, and we had to shine our own shoes.

Speaker 4 So, I don't know if y'all noticed about that shoe polish, but hey.

Speaker 4 Oh, man, that's funny. That's funny to everybody.

Speaker 4 That is fun to eat. Oh, Joe, the three-peat is complete.
Arguably the greatest hurdler in history.

Speaker 4 Grant Holloway is the first athlete in World Indoor Championship history to win three consecutive 60-meter hurdle titles. Me personally,

Speaker 4 because Roger Kingdom from Georgia went to Viana High School, he was a tremendous athlete.

Speaker 4 He won the Olympics. I think he won 84 and 88.
Allen Johnson won the Olympics.

Speaker 4 I think if Grant Holloway can win another Olympics, I think he'll go down as the greatest hurdler because he has three world championship outdoors. He has three indoor.

Speaker 4 He has an Olympic gold medalist. If he can snag one more,

Speaker 4 but I'm not so sure because he's in a, this is a world championship season here. I think now he's dead set on that world record.

Speaker 4 He's run 1281,

Speaker 4 which is 0.001 off of Aries Merritt, Merritt, Georgia boy, who has the world record at 1280.

Speaker 4 So I think if he can get that world record and get another goal, I don't think it'll be, I think it'll be unquestioned. He's the greatest hurdler ever.

Speaker 4 And we've been, like I said, we have to, you know, to have that world record.

Speaker 4 Colin Jack, Alan Johnson had it. Colin Jackson had it.

Speaker 4 The Chinese guy, Lu Shuan, he had it.

Speaker 4 Dyron Robles from Cuba, he had it. Aries Merritt took it from from him.
So it's going to be interesting if Grant Holloway, because his explosive start, he gets out.

Speaker 4 You're not beating him out the gate. No.
You're not beating him out the gate. And he's flawless.
Yeah, it's his time, his timing. I mean, listen, I've been watching Grant, the Flamingo.

Speaker 4 That's his nickname.

Speaker 4 What do you call it? Holloway for a very long time. One of the greatest hurlers of all time.
And I'm sure he's probably going to achieve being.

Speaker 4 the greatest hurler of all time and being able to get that 12, beat that 1280

Speaker 4 at some point. So, I'm happy for him.
Grant, I know you're going to see this. I salute you.
You know, all your hard work, you know, we go at it back and forth on Twitter sometimes and in person.

Speaker 4 And I'm proud of you, man. I'm proud of you.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Coach Prime and Asante Samuels got into some beat this weekend, Ocho. Hey, I love this boy.
First, Asante responded to the NFL Network's video of Coach Prime hating on the T-Step.

Speaker 4 I can't stop laughing how foolish he sounds. You can't control everything, sir.

Speaker 4 Hey, listen.

Speaker 4 Can I go? Can I go?

Speaker 4 You know, I'm a fan and an enthusiast when it comes to beautiful DV play. The T-Step and being able to gather step and get out your break.

Speaker 4 There are different skill sets for different players. Yes.
What makes them comfortable, depending on what you like to do? Deion Sanders, his ability to get in and out of breaks is phenomenal. Yes.

Speaker 4 It's phenomenal. His

Speaker 4 anticipatory skills are phenomenal. Yes.
Understanding the tendencies and what routes are coming based on down and distance, alignment, whatever it may be, is phenomenal.

Speaker 4 Another great one, and Asante Samuels, whether it be man, whether it be zone, bump and run, man-to-man, his anticipatory skills, again, based on down and distance, is good.

Speaker 4 He's the greatest T-stepper of all time, and he has the numbers and the stats to prove it. Now, you have two of the greats.

Speaker 4 You have two of the all-time greats that are going back and forth based on a specific skill set and technique.

Speaker 4 One might not like it, but the other likes it. So the way Deion used to get out of breaks, It worked for him and it works for other players.

Speaker 4 Everybody can't do the goddamn T-step like Asante Samuels, huh?

Speaker 4 Everybody can't do it. Other players or other players that play defensive back, you have to gather.

Speaker 4 You have to. It's like there's some receiver that can get out of the break in three steps.
Then there's some that got to get out in five.

Speaker 20 There's a difference.

Speaker 4 Asante Samuel is one of the few that can T-step. And I think one of the things that Prime that might be bad about the T-step, if you T-step and it's a double move, well, you're assed out.

Speaker 4 You're assed out because

Speaker 4 you're not even gathering. You're just taking that one step and getting up out of there and you're just driving.

Speaker 4 So if she's fake

Speaker 4 and make a double move, I mean, it's going to take you forever to get back out of there.

Speaker 4 I think the thing is,

Speaker 4 that's a hard argument, man,

Speaker 4 from two of the best to ever play the game, but it's a good one. I'd like to hear

Speaker 4 your expertise on that. I think the thing is time is looking at is no wasting motion.
What do we talk when we run routes? What are we saying? No wasting motion. Yeah.

Speaker 4 we get into that break we want our arms here or we want our arms here yes sir you want your body you want your over your toes you know what i'm saying you want that you want that weight distributed over these big old quads so you get

Speaker 4 and come up out of there no

Speaker 4 none of that yeah so in other words time is saying by 10 stepping that's wasting motion and what we're taught by coach told me say son he who hesitated is beat

Speaker 4 so time is coming in there

Speaker 4 coming i'm coming right now. Yes, sir.
He said, when you open, that guy's already at the break because think about you got to do this.

Speaker 4 Now you got to square back up and go. Okay.

Speaker 4 That worked for Asante.

Speaker 4 I think the thing is that this is what I'm going to try to teach.

Speaker 4 Now,

Speaker 4 if I see I'm trying to teach this and the guy can't get it and he's better at t-stepping, I'm going to let him t-step. But and it's the funny thing.
This is the funny thing about Asante Samuel.

Speaker 4 Now, this is this is when it comes down to technique. This is what Santa was so goddamn good at.
Asana played inside leverage, right?

Speaker 4 He'll play off on purpose. And no matter how you weave him, the thing why he can T-step so well and still be in position to make the play because that motherfucker.
Oh, I almost cursed him.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, you got you. I'm so excited.
Hey, Asant,

Speaker 4 you can come at him. And if you weave inside, he's going to weave, but he going to stay square the whole time.
Right. He not opening up.

Speaker 4 He not open enough. He gonna stay square, stay right in front of you the whole time.

Speaker 4 If you weave outside, he gonna weave right with you right and so when it's time for to get out his break if you make any kind of move in front of him without stepping on his toes the ball is going the other way

Speaker 4 yeah i've seen it he's the guy who gotta double move i'm double moving him i'm not because he gonna sit Yeah, he gonna squat. He squats on a lot.

Speaker 4 He has great, like you said, he has great anticipation, but you gotta double move him. And a lot of things, because he came up in the Coach Belichick system

Speaker 4 is that what he did is like, no matter what you do, if I got inside leverage, I got inside leverage. If I got outside leverage, I got outside leverage.

Speaker 4 So what you do don't impact me because I got to be outside leverage. So you're doing all that stuff.
If I got outside leverage, I got outside leverage. You run the bang, I can't stop it.

Speaker 4 If I got inside leverage, I don't care if you give me a nod outside, I'm staying inside. That ain't got to do with me.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's just, it's just a matter of your technique. Is that what we try to do? We try to keep our technique as as we possibly can

Speaker 4 to do to eliminate wasted motion motion right uh and so crime commented crime say sir foolish lol god bless you my brother tell them what this is really about sir you forever taking a shot at the sky mickey andrews is responsible for teaching us what i teach and it sure seemed like it worked for us peace be still yeah and

Speaker 4 hold on hold yo let me let me go ahead this set up a bunch of tweet tweets from a sante ain't no shot to on the end, brother. Competitive as they come.
I talk ish.

Speaker 4 If it offended you, Coach Gene Chizwick taught us how to T-Step. I'm just trying to compare film.
You can't run from the debate. I will still be here talking-ish.
LOL. God bless you.

Speaker 4 Here's a yearly reminder, not let us

Speaker 4 excuse pick sixes. 168 gay, 53.

Speaker 4 Dion played 188 gays, 53 interceptions, three playoff interceptions, two Super Bowls. Asante, 51 interceptions, seven playoff career interceptions, two Super Bowls.
50 plus interception, 94 paths.

Speaker 4 Please start saying they don't throw his way.

Speaker 4 Asante, I love you, bro. I love you.
I think you're phenomenal, but you're not in time's realm. That's not even close.
You're not.

Speaker 4 Nobody,

Speaker 4 nobody will ever say Asante Samuel and Deion Sanders in the same breath. You are fabulous.

Speaker 4 That's the greatest corner to ever put on pads and a helmet.

Speaker 4 The cover, the lockdown, where you think this term came from?

Speaker 4 Where do you think that term could, Ocho, do you realize where that term came from?

Speaker 4 Yeah. The cover corner, the shutdown corner, the cover one side of the field.
When he took the, listen,

Speaker 4 see, sometimes people like, When I say time locked it down, there was no Santa in the hole. So if you ran the post, post, go back and look when he picked it

Speaker 4 on Rocky This Mail.

Speaker 4 He got in man to man. They threw a post

Speaker 4 with nobody in the hole. Yeah.
Time ran, jumped over the top of him and picked it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He came back this way with it.

Speaker 4 Asante, you are fabulous. Yeah.
You're not time, man. You can put all these stats up.

Speaker 4 Bro, you're not time.

Speaker 4 I get it. Your technique, you say the T-step worked for you.
Good. Ocho and I are trying to explain what we try to do is we try to eliminate wasted motion.

Speaker 4 Okay, you felt that the T-step would serve you better than to start the back, the back pedal, because everybody is up underneath them and come forward.

Speaker 4 You felt the T-step gave you that a bigger burst. No problem.
Clearly, it worked. You were a pro bowler.
You won Super Bowls. You got 50 plus interceptions.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 You're just not time, and it's okay.

Speaker 4 yeah i i think i i like i love prime and what prime was able to do and and um

Speaker 4 the class and the bar that he set

Speaker 4 but i don't want it to to to take away from how special zonk was

Speaker 4 he was

Speaker 4 there's levels oh joe yeah i know i know it's level i know it's levels but i i need people to also understand as great as prime was i'm not saying zant is on that level but we need to to give zant his flowers so people understand how difficult it was to put up the numbers he did.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And doing

Speaker 4 the T-step

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 how good he was technically.

Speaker 4 That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 You tell me the cornerback that's played that shifted the balance of power. He goes to San Francisco.
They beat Dallas. He goes to Dallas and Dallas beat San Francisco.
He shifted.

Speaker 4 The balance of power.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I understand what you mean. That's why I said the greatness greatness that is prime.
Yeah, hey, he listen, he stands alone.

Speaker 4 We, we, we, we know that, you know, but one thing that we always do is we always go to the numbers, we don't go to the stats.

Speaker 4 So make, make, I don't look at stats, I look at what it plays, I watch tape. Oh, okay, okay.

Speaker 4 Hey, but hey, but listen now, if we talk about watching tape, now you look at 22, hey, well, he done, he does some special stuff out there now. Oh, he, hey, now his cluid, his ability to diagnose.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, Oh, yeah. Hey, to know what's coming before.
Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Listen, Zant's ability to know what's coming before

Speaker 4 it comes and gambling at the right time and breaking on balls.

Speaker 4 But see, sometimes numbers, sometimes numbers fool you. Yes, sir.
Darrell Reevers, how many picks he got?

Speaker 4 How many people you think taking Asante over Rebus?

Speaker 4 You see how numbers are misleading, Mocho?

Speaker 4 You think Reeven got, I don't know, how many interceptions does Revers have? Does Reevers have 30 interceptions?

Speaker 4 Reevers got 29 picks.

Speaker 4 Now I want you to tell me, Ocho,

Speaker 4 you played against both of them.

Speaker 4 I see, I like to go to the man that played the man. Not the man that knows the man to talk to the man about a man.
You play against both of them. Tell me what you think.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 4 don't do me like that.

Speaker 4 Hey, don't do me like that. As a deep as a back myself, listen,

Speaker 4 I'm trying to give praise is Sunday.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to get praise and worship where it's due. Now, see, it's a hard battle for

Speaker 4 Zahn to win because we're talking about prime and the comparison of the two. And 99% of the world won't allow the comparison to happen.

Speaker 4 But what I'm gonna do is, is I'm gonna get on my, I'm gonna get on my soapbox for Zahn.

Speaker 4 As a receiver,

Speaker 4 listen, as a receiver,

Speaker 4 I understand how special and technically sound young bull was

Speaker 4 now i'm not trying to compare to prime prime is on a different level he's in a different stratosphere but i don't want that to take away and i want people to get no no no no i don't want to take away how great zombie was and what he was able to do that goddamn t-step and his ability to always stay square is why he was so good at it as opposed to other dbs that opened up right away so they wouldn't be able to t-step anyway.

Speaker 4 There are very few DBs, right? Listen to me real quick, chat. Listen to me.
Prime is a great one. Revers was a great one.

Speaker 4 Pat Sertain is some of the young bulls in today's game and some of the old, some of the, some of the DBs in the old era. 95% of DBs, 95% of them

Speaker 4 play the position not to get beat. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And there's 5%

Speaker 4 that play to make a play.

Speaker 4 Another thing, Ocho. Prime is in that.

Speaker 4 Zonda is in that. And it's, you know, it's a few others.
I'm not going to wheel off no names, but that's a difference.

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Speaker 4 A lot of times, people have great techniques. You watch guys in warm it up, yeah.
Bam,

Speaker 4 bam,

Speaker 4 get in the game when they go to get somebody, slop it in the mug. Yeah, it changes.

Speaker 4 Oh, hey, they hit that kid roll to 12 with that speed out clean.

Speaker 4 They do that over, hey, over the top.

Speaker 4 Boy, you see that dagger? Yeah, as soon as somebody in front of them, dude, what what happened? What happened? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's funny. It's funny.

Speaker 4 And anytime, anytime you put a body in front of somebody, most of the time,

Speaker 4 your technique goes, it goes away.

Speaker 4 It goes away. The ability to operate in the same fashion you do on air with the body in front of you takes such extreme confidence in not just your belief in your skill set,

Speaker 4 but your technique as well.

Speaker 4 Look,

Speaker 4 like I said, that's not, I mean, look, just because you're not, it's like a receipt. It's like somebody saying, well, he ain't Jerry Wright.
Well, who is?

Speaker 4 That ain't no shot. Right.
It's like,

Speaker 4 I had when I had Ken Griffey on my podcast and he was, he goes see his son play. And the guy was like, hey, he ain't Ken Griffey.
He ain't, he ain't you.

Speaker 4 Griffey looked at him and said, well, who name five players that are? Ah, yeah. Okay, Asante Samuel isn't prime, okay.
Name five DBs that are.

Speaker 4 That's not a slight, right? Asante Samuel was a damn good, a great

Speaker 4 he was a great corner

Speaker 4 because you're not prime, that doesn't deduce you, right?

Speaker 4 That's like saying this, well, he he wasn't Joe Montana, he ain't Tom Brady, okay. Name five Tom Brady's a quarterback.

Speaker 4 But what the hell are you saying?

Speaker 4 People get caught up with he ain't this. Okay.

Speaker 4 Name five that were. Name five Barry Barnes.

Speaker 4 Name five Jerry Wrights that played the receiver position. Name five LTs.
Name five Aaron Donalds.

Speaker 4 It's not, it's not a guy that gets all upset. So what you say, I'm saying you were great, but there are levels to this.

Speaker 4 There are. It just is.

Speaker 4 You could be a great actor. Are there five better than Denzel?

Speaker 4 So, I mean, I'm just, you know, people get caught up.

Speaker 4 I don't get, I don't, hey, he ain't no Gronk. Okay.
They ain't but one Gronk. How many, how many Titans can say they were Gronk? Right.
I mean, how many Titans can say they were Travis Kelsey?

Speaker 4 People just get caught up getting their paper. I don't care.
I'm good. All I can say is this.
From 90 to 2003, that's what I played.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Look at my numbers and look at the guys that played in that era. Look at their numbers.
Then you tell me, I can't do what came after me. I can't do what came before me.

Speaker 4 But look at my era when I played. Look at the tight ends from that era

Speaker 4 and you see what my numbers look like comparable to theirs. Hold on.
And I got something even better than that. I got something better than that.
And I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 4 I want you to look at the era before me. You hear me? Stay with me.
Hey, chat, y'all hear me? Chat, listen to me real close. Stay with me now.

Speaker 4 Stay with me. Look at the era before me, all the receivers that played.

Speaker 4 Look at the era during my time. Okay.

Speaker 4 Now, look at the era right now.

Speaker 4 And I ain't talk about no numbers.

Speaker 4 But it was only one Ocho, boy. Yeah.
You hear me?

Speaker 4 It's only one of them, boy. Ocho.
People try to say now, well, who did Tyre play against? I tell you what, you take any error.

Speaker 4 You tell me three receivers better than Randy Moss, Tara Owens, and Jerry Rice. I'll give you any error.

Speaker 4 You tell me three receivers that you would take over those three, because that's what Deion went against. So I want you to tell me.
So if you want this era, you want Chase, Jeddah, Reek.

Speaker 4 If you want to go back to Little Father, you want Fitzgerald, you want Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 4 I'll give you any error.

Speaker 4 I'll take T.O., I'll take Randy Moss, and I'll take Jerry Rice. And you tell me three receivers that's better than those three.
Take off, chat.

Speaker 4 Hey, listen,

Speaker 4 why the chat tried to do the impossible? I'm going going to grab me a bottle of water.

Speaker 4 Man, yeah, look, this is not a... And look.

Speaker 4 And this is very,

Speaker 4 this is rare for time for him to get into

Speaker 4 a tent for tent on Twitter. Occasionally he will.
Occasionally, if he feels like, like he said, he's called upon, he'll chime in. But normally, normally he really doesn't.

Speaker 4 It's like I said, I just think the thing is a difference of opinions. Asante did the T-step.
It worked for him. Time didn't.
He believed wasted motion, wasted,

Speaker 4 caused you to give up plays that you probably wouldn't give up. Okay.

Speaker 4 Two things can be true. The T-step can work for Asante, where time didn't do the T-step.

Speaker 4 Okay. Hey, matter of fact,

Speaker 4 we can squash the conversation and

Speaker 4 we can change the topic. Whether you gather step, whether you T-step, whether you bump, whether you play off, whether you play zone, whether you play man.

Speaker 4 Asante say Media, you know who they couldn't cover? Who? Me?

Speaker 4 Man, Tybe. Tybe already told you.
Hey, listen, man, listen. Hey, look,

Speaker 4 we could be in a phone booth.

Speaker 4 We could be in the phone booth. We could be in a brown paper bag.
Matter of fact, the paper bag could be wet.

Speaker 4 The paper bag could be wet. Prime couldn't see me, huh?

Speaker 4 He couldn't see me with Eric Dickinson goggles on.

Speaker 4 And don't play with me. Asante.
Prime's gonna shoot me shit.

Speaker 4 hey listen i love voting boys man i love voting boys and i love i love the i love the healthy i love the the healthy banter and competition back and forth the competitive the competitive nature never goes anywhere even when you're done playing i like it yeah it's a good it's a good healthy discussion but y'all can't stop me not then and not now But what I could never understood was how could time play with that big wide base?

Speaker 4 Hey, right? And if you beat him, he was going to recover. Yeah, he wasn't worried about you running passing.

Speaker 4 He's gonna recover, he wasn't running.

Speaker 4 I mean, maybe one guy probably, if he missed the jam on Tyreek, but other than that,

Speaker 4 he's gonna be a he gonna be a

Speaker 4 now,

Speaker 4 he's gonna be right there in your heel. You gotta think about it.
If he missed the jam on Tyreek,

Speaker 4 that means the ball got to be perfect. He gotta be because he's gonna come now, he comes.

Speaker 4 The ball got to be perfect.

Speaker 4 He coming

Speaker 4 next time, as a matter of fact, next time we bring Tyabo,

Speaker 4 I like that topic.

Speaker 4 I think they got killed. Don't they got off practice, uncomfortable practicing?

Speaker 4 Man, I wish I'd have known.

Speaker 4 If I knew we were going to have this conversation, I'd have heat him up. Who that? Who that? Who? Tyad? Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 4 That was a good one. That was a great, that was a great combo.
Oh, Joe, the Giants reportedly haven't given up on Aaron Rodgers despite signing Jameis Winston.

Speaker 4 Following Rodgers' visit to the Steelers on Friday, the G-Men reportedly haven't stopped their pursuit of the 41-year-old.

Speaker 4 Jeremy Fowler reports the Giants have not given up on Aaron Rodgers, even though they signed Jameis Winston. But reading the tea leaves here,

Speaker 4 it looks like the Steelers are in the poll position to potentially get it done. The Giants signed Winston to a two-year, $8 million deal.
Excuse me.

Speaker 4 Just hours after Rogers' meeting with the Steelers. Ocho, do you see the Steelers

Speaker 4 as a proper landing spot, or is it the Giants?

Speaker 4 Oh, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 That's a good one.

Speaker 4 Me,

Speaker 4 I can't really put myself in Aaron Rodgers' shoes, but if you look at the landscape of the offense on where I would prefer to be, Malik Nabors is nice. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's nice. That is one, that's one good one to throw to, but you got two good ones over there with the Steelers.
Correct.

Speaker 4 Me personally, I would be choosing over there with Arthur Smith, George Pickens, and DK Metcalf. Let me get some of that.

Speaker 4 Let me get some of that. That's if I'm Aaron Rodgers.
And understanding what you can do with two dynamic receivers like that, just get the ball out your hand. That's all.

Speaker 4 Just get the ball out your hands.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure who they have in running back. They take some of the pressure off of Aaron so he ain't back there throwing the ball a hundred times a game.
But

Speaker 4 if I was a quarterback,

Speaker 4 I'm trying to go over there with that with the crash out. I call them the Crash Out Brothers.

Speaker 4 The Giants doesn't make a whole lot of sense because why would you sign Aaron Rodgers and Jameis Webster and potentially?

Speaker 4 That means if you do that, Ocho, that means you're not going to get a quarterback.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Maybe they're just talking. Maybe that's all smoke and mirrors.
Maybe.

Speaker 4 Maybe, maybe it's all smoke and mirrors because what the Giants are going to do, they're going to need a quarterback for the future. Yes.

Speaker 4 If they signed Jameis Winston to a one year, they mean they signed.

Speaker 4 And Aaron Rodgers also to a one year.

Speaker 4 You got to make up your mind. You got to make up your mind.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 if Rodgers goes to Pittsburgh,

Speaker 4 so where does that leave Russell Wilson? Cleveland?

Speaker 4 That's a possibility.

Speaker 4 That is a possibility. That's the only place I see.
Because Geno Smith is at the Raiders now.

Speaker 4 Sam Darnell is at Seattle. I'm trying to figure out where else could he go? Who else needs the quarterback.

Speaker 4 They just put

Speaker 4 Jones and Indy

Speaker 4 to challenge Richardson. So I'm looking at the landscape old show.
I'm trying to figure out where can he go. Yeah,

Speaker 4 that's it. That's it.
I really don't like what they did. Well, I kind of like it and I don't like it.
From a competitive standpoint, I don't like what they're doing to Richardson.

Speaker 4 But I also like it because now that you have somebody to push you

Speaker 4 and buying for your job, maybe that that gets you to play at a higher level because now you have something to worry about. But also, sometimes it's pros and it's cons of that too.

Speaker 4 Because now, what happens if you press? What if what happens if you try too hard? What if you try not to make mistakes instead of just playing freely?

Speaker 4 I think it'll do more harm than good when you,

Speaker 4 I think, I don't think they like, I don't think they like Anthony Richardson for the future. Oh, Joe,

Speaker 4 they knew he was a reclamation project.

Speaker 4 He was not a high completion percentage guy in college.

Speaker 4 He wasn't a high. He came in.

Speaker 4 His completion percentage was lower than Tebow's. And we know Tebow did not have a great completion percentage.

Speaker 4 I'm talking about in the NFL. I'm just

Speaker 4 the facts. Right.
Just the facts. And the mere fact that they went out and got signed

Speaker 4 Jones, what's his name? What's his first name? Daniel Jones. Yeah.
What does that tell you? And they gave him 14 million. How are they going to pay the backup more than they pay the starter? Right.

Speaker 4 What are they telling you, Ocho? Yeah, they tired of your bull jive. Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 14 million.

Speaker 4 You see what they gave to? You see what they gave Jameis Winston backup money? You see what they give other backup money? And you got to chat. Chat.
Stop talking about

Speaker 4 cousins. Cousins was brought in to be a starter.
He happened to be the backup because he lost his job.

Speaker 4 Can you answer me something? Yeah. Why they give

Speaker 4 Jameis Winston what? One for eight or two two for eight what was it one for eight or two for eight two for eight

Speaker 4 okay so why they gave why they gave him 14

Speaker 4 why you think

Speaker 4 they surmise he's gonna be the starter no or does it have anything to do with age no

Speaker 4 because here's the thing ocho the guys like hold on if i'm coming in they right because they want they want you to know they want anthony richardson to know He's not telling me to be your backup.

Speaker 4 Did you see who we paid him? We paid him more than you.

Speaker 4 Now, all this come late, leave Ermin. Right, right.
All this bullet, the stuff that you've been doing, it ain't going to go no more. I got a question.
Go ahead. Hold on.
Hold on.

Speaker 4 I got a question for you. Who's the backup in Indy right now?

Speaker 4 Daniel Jones. Now, what did Daniel Jones show us the last two places he was at? He didn't show us nothing, Minnesota, because he didn't get here.

Speaker 4 My point exactly. So with the Giants, he had flashes.
He had flashes of brilliance.

Speaker 4 I'm not even going to say he didn't lie. I'm not going to lie to you.
But obviously, the Giants were in a position where it was either Barkley at a position that they don't value,

Speaker 4 or it was Daniel Jones. So

Speaker 4 they decided to pay Daniel Jones. But the small sample size and what we saw from him, I mean, he ain't the goddamn answer.

Speaker 4 He's not, and that's no disrespect to him. He's not the answer.

Speaker 4 But I think that it's a good thing. Again, like I said, there's pros and cons to it.
You bring in some competition.

Speaker 4 Most players, if you're competitive, oh man, this sucker ain't finna beat me out of my job. No way.
You ain't finna beat me out of my job.

Speaker 4 I welcome you. I welcome this challenge.
You talking about you don't believe in me? I got you. Hold on.
Man, I wish they would have thought about drafted, bringing somebody in, ocho.

Speaker 4 You in your third, you about to be in your third year, and they bringing a quarterback in. Oh, Joe.
Man, please.

Speaker 4 That better be your team. You're 12, you're 14.
Okay. Now, that's different.

Speaker 4 You know, the third year is you're making a bricky year, right? Yes. The third year at any skilled position is the year you have arrived, where it's going to let us know if you've arrived or not.

Speaker 4 Either you got it or you don't by that point. So I'm assuming right now the Indianapolis coach feel, you know what, we don't feel Anthony Richardson has it just yet.

Speaker 4 So we're going to bring in someone else. That maybe can take over.
But what we saw from the person they bringing in to take over at one year for 14 million ain't the MF answer either.

Speaker 4 But here's the problem that you're running against. Anthony Richardson, they're like, I got to make a decision.
You see what quarterbacks are making after their third year?

Speaker 4 Okay, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 4 I need to know.

Speaker 4 I can't say I can't invest $300 million and I'm still,

Speaker 4 you can't still be a project

Speaker 4 with $300 million

Speaker 4 guaranteed with that kind of money. You can't, Ocho.
So they got to make a decision.

Speaker 4 And if he's not, I got to go back into the draft because I'm not going to pay him 300 million. I'm not.

Speaker 4 You see what? You see what? You just saw what Joe, what a

Speaker 4 Josh Allen got.

Speaker 4 Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. Come on.
We can't do that now. We can't do that.

Speaker 4 Now, I understand what the quarterback market is, but Anthony Richardson, when it's his time to get paid, he's not going to be one of the quarterbacks that reset the market like a Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or CJ Stroud.

Speaker 4 Let's see what C.J. Stroud gets.
Oh, now C.J. Stroud is different.
That's my point.

Speaker 4 Now you're seeing my point. Okay, if he's the guy, I've got to pay this number.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Now, being the starter and having to pay for actual play is two totally different things.

Speaker 4 But still, even if that, you're going to have to pay him in excess. Is he going to be worth, okay, Sam Darnold got three years, 105?

Speaker 4 Are you going to pay him 35 million a year, OJ? And still be uncertain

Speaker 4 yeah defeat hey listen hey the quarterback that mark see ocho you can't pay that guy five six million dollars to be your starter this in the 30s yeah

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 hey oh hey he in a tough spot i'm hoping this is his year

Speaker 4 i'm hoping this is his year you got to get it hey and and i know you're gonna see this take it in stride baby take it as a challenge gotcha what they looking for

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