Nightcap - Hour 1: Celtics sold for $6Bil + Penny Hardaway joins the show

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Speaker 31 Boston Celtics has been sold for $6.1 billion,

Speaker 31 the highest price ever paid for a North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades.

Speaker 31 Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion.

Speaker 31 The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the $6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023 and far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba

Speaker 31 when he brought the team the same year.

Speaker 31 The Gross Back Group

Speaker 31 bought the Boston Celtics, Ocho, for $360 million

Speaker 31 and now sells it for almost 20 times.

Speaker 32 It's about asking price. Yeah.

Speaker 31 So in other words, what they call in business, 20X. Yeah, most definitely.
You know, Bill Chisholm. Yeah.
Ocho.

Speaker 31 If you had, if you had, let's say, 10 billion.

Speaker 32 Oh, you talk to me.

Speaker 31 You got $10 billion. Would you buy a sports franchise?

Speaker 32 Not only would I buy a sports franchise, I'm buying three sports franchises.

Speaker 31 Which one? Where?

Speaker 32 I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. First of all, you listen to me?

Speaker 31 Stay with me. I'm listening.

Speaker 32 If I had $10 billion, for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Tobin.

Speaker 31 They'd have to go somewhere else. That's family mom and pop.
They ain't telling that. Boom.

Speaker 32 So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy.

Speaker 32 I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful game.

Speaker 32 I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner.
I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli.

Speaker 32 Do everything I went, do everything in my power, bringing in all type of players, you know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want.

Speaker 32 Bring in superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat.

Speaker 32 I'm going to buy the Miami Heat.

Speaker 31 You think Mick Harrison goes? Hold on. You just saw what the Celtics went for.

Speaker 31 How much money do you think you'll have to spend to get Napoli?

Speaker 32 Oh, the Getnapolis. Oh, that's a good one.
I'm not sure how much

Speaker 32 that franchise and that NDT will cost me. But again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat.

Speaker 32 I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things

Speaker 32 isn't conducive for business with today's era of players.

Speaker 32 And this is Miami. This is Miami and players don't want to come play in Miami.

Speaker 32 Miami is a melting pot for ethnicities and culture how does nobody want to come play here no superstars listen we got bam we got tyler air uh hero

Speaker 32 you drafted him i i again i understand that but we can't get any superstars here we need we need one more jimmy left

Speaker 32 So boom, that's two. Napoli in the Miami Heat.
Now, I'm not sure how much I'm going to have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me.

Speaker 32 Chad, you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while we're talking about it.

Speaker 32 And then the rest of that, I'm going to sit on and I'm going to open up a a cigar lounge

Speaker 31 oh my goodness um that's it 980 mil

Speaker 31 so you got so you got so basically they're gonna say they're gonna probably up charge so 10 so they're gonna charge you a billion so you get a charge they're gonna they're gonna charge you a billion a billion 1.1 okay so now you got 8.9

Speaker 32 okay nfl you want to get an nfl you told you you told me i can't you can't what about the dolphins you think steven stephen ross will sell me the dolphins

Speaker 31 he might he might be willing to sell you a majority how much we talking about with a majority share of the dolphins

Speaker 32 what you think

Speaker 31 probably

Speaker 31 somewhere between two and a half and three and a half

Speaker 32 that's done that that is done and listen i'm i'm manifesting this i'm manifesting this i hope From my mouth to God's ears,

Speaker 32 maybe it can happen. Maybe it won't.

Speaker 32 Let me dream big. I can dream big.
If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's going to happen.

Speaker 31 Yeah. Normally, Ocho,

Speaker 31 if like a family-owned business, there needs to be

Speaker 31 internal chaos.

Speaker 31 We saw that with the Bolins.

Speaker 31 They ended up selling the franchise. But if there's not chaos, like I don't believe the Cowboys will ever go for sale.

Speaker 31 Jared Jones is going to have that in his trust that the Cowboys are never to be sold. Now, once he's gone, I mean, hey, I'm just saying.

Speaker 31 But

Speaker 31 like Mike Brown, that's it. His dad, his dad started that franchise

Speaker 31 after he got out of the Cleveland. Because

Speaker 31 that's where the Browns get their name from.

Speaker 31 And now he went to, you know, Art Modell fired him and so forth and so on. Mr.
Modell brought the team.

Speaker 31 And then he started the Bengal. Me personally, Ocho, I don't believe they'll sell it.
Nah, they wouldn't.

Speaker 32 But it's just a thought. It's just a thought.
listen where i was drafted where where where i created i i left my my footprint my stamp and just just knowing that i could just just

Speaker 32 being an owner of the pace where i played at it would be it just

Speaker 31 maybe they tell you a minority share maybe they sell you 10 20

Speaker 31 because it's just hard for me to see like

Speaker 31 Even though I think she just passed Virginia McCasky, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who's who founded the Bears,

Speaker 31 they've only had one owner. The Steelers and the Roonies.
The Steelers have since 1933. Now, there was one year that I think the McClatchys owned it, and they ended up getting it back.

Speaker 31 So the Roonies have been, so basically since 1933, okay, you got

Speaker 31 the Maras and the Tishes. They co-owned the Giants.
Now, it's looked like they're willing to sell a minority stake, but

Speaker 31 no controlling aspect. So basically, you know, you're going to get, you'll get some money, but you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations or coaches and hiring and firing, things like that.

Speaker 31 So I'm looking at teams. I like that.

Speaker 32 I don't need no say in day-to-day operations. I want to be in the war room.
Okay. I want to be in the war room.
Listen, I also, I have an eye for talent. I have an eye for talent.

Speaker 32 I know what things need to look like.

Speaker 32 Listen, I just want to give my suggestions. Okay, I want to put on my suit and tie.
I want to have my bangles pinned.

Speaker 32 I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown when we go to training camp. We watching the players, you know.

Speaker 32 What you call it? What you call it?

Speaker 32 And the owner's meeting. Owners meeting.
I'm at the owner's meeting, you know, nice in my suit and my suit in my tie.

Speaker 31 What else?

Speaker 32 NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad.
You know, I got my stopwatch when everybody running the party.

Speaker 31 Owners don't be there, Ocho. I mean,

Speaker 31 most of the only owners there is Jerry.

Speaker 31 And I don't even know if Jerry showed up this year. Did Jerry go to the combine this year? Normally owners don't go.
They send their general general managers. They send

Speaker 31 everybody, you know, general managers, your scout personnel, things like that.

Speaker 32 I want to be hands-on.

Speaker 32 I want to be hands-on. If I get any type of minority share of the Bengals, you know, God willing, if God wants to bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere,

Speaker 32 listen, I know, Mike, listen, Mike Brown, Katie Troy, if this happens, please allow me to

Speaker 32 put in, you know, and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing.
The fans would love that.

Speaker 32 Huh? Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning

Speaker 32 Napoli?

Speaker 31 And then

Speaker 31 having

Speaker 32 a piece of the Miami heat too.

Speaker 32 And then

Speaker 32 the good thing about it is, someone like me, if I was able to attain that type of wealth,

Speaker 32 I'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change. Wouldn't change a thing.

Speaker 32 I still be the same, the same, same old Ocho. You need to find me.
I'm at McDonald's. You want to find me? You can find me at the Cuban spot.
You know, just doing the same thing I always do.

Speaker 32 I like that. I like that.

Speaker 32 From my mouth to God's ears.

Speaker 31 Yeah, you might better hope, maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another to, you know, have somebody.

Speaker 31 want to start another franchise, but it's hard.

Speaker 31 You're more apt to get somebody to move than they make it an odd number, 33, because you got 32 teams and you got eight, four team divisions. So that seems to be NFL kind of seems to be set.

Speaker 31 But it looks like, if anything, the NBA will add two franchises: one in Vegas, and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost the Supersonics. And you got Vegas.

Speaker 31 They got a football team. They got a soccer team.
I mean, excuse me. They got a hockey team.
Baseball is coming in a couple of years. They got a WNBA squad.
So they'll have the four major sports.

Speaker 31 They'll now they get a basketball team, and it looks like that thing is going to go for five, six billion dollars.

Speaker 31 Hey,

Speaker 33 hey, guys, I got coach on the way.

Speaker 31 Can y'all hear me? Yep.

Speaker 32 We got you, Coach. Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 31 You got us?

Speaker 31 Yep. I got y'all.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 31 He's about to jump. Hey, excuse me.

Speaker 31 What's your name?

Speaker 32 Kirk. I fucking love you.

Speaker 31 Yes, sir. I love you.
Fucking love you too.

Speaker 31 Appreciate it.

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Speaker 31 had injuries, not robbed him. He was one of the great players in NBA history.

Speaker 31 He's well on his way to being the guy that talked about he was the second coming of Magic Johnson, a big point guard, not only could score, but he could facilitate. Here he is, one cent himself, Mr.

Speaker 31 Penny Hardaway. Penny,

Speaker 31 you got us?

Speaker 33 Yeah, Kirk's trying to get it right, my man.

Speaker 33 Kirk was just on. There it is.
What's up?

Speaker 31 What's up, Penny? What's good, man? We good. We good.

Speaker 33 What's up, man?

Speaker 32 Penny, you still owe me a one-on-one, man. What's good?

Speaker 33 Hey, Ocho, you can get okay.

Speaker 32 Let me know. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do for you.
I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna spot you.
Five. You hear me?

Speaker 31 I appreciate that.

Speaker 33 I'm gonna take those five.

Speaker 31 Penny was a four-time all-star three-time all-nba selection and he's the head coach of the memphis tigers penny you match up tomorrow against csu colorado state

Speaker 31 you feel comfortable with what you've been able to uh your team going into this game because you know it's one and done now penny it ain't no hey hey we get ready and we got to go back to work the next day you lose this game your season's over Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man, but this is what you want when you're, you know, this is what you live for.

Speaker 33 When you're an athlete, you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on.
We understand that they're a really good team.

Speaker 33 But we are also, you know, and at the end of the day, we got to come and compete. They have a great offense and they play physical on defense.

Speaker 33 All of that, you know, goes along with March madness, man.

Speaker 31 We're ready for it.

Speaker 32 Hey, I'm going to talk about your NBA career real quick. Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach?

Speaker 33 Looking back at my game and how it inspired me as

Speaker 32 looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court back then that inspired your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis?

Speaker 33 Well, it's just kill mode. You know, for me, everything I did on the floor was kill mode.
So I coached the same way. I put that battery in the back of my guys' back and I'm their biggest fans.

Speaker 33 I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey, man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both were the same way, man.

Speaker 33 You just got to, and when we when y'all on the field and i was on the court every possession was to kill the dude that was in front of me right

Speaker 31 penny let me ask you this penny because i asked a great a lot of great players uh you know had isaiah on and i have coach prime who was a a regular contributor penny how do you do it when you're such a great player and the game seemingly came easy to you even though you worked you could see things before they developed How do you have the patience to realize that, you know what, these guys probably not going to be Penny Hardaway?

Speaker 31 How do you have the patience? Because you

Speaker 31 tell a kid something and then he eff it up. You go over this in practice and he eff it up.
You do it in film study and you're like, son, we went over this.

Speaker 31 How do you have the patience to do what you do, Penny?

Speaker 33 Man, it's just one of those situations that we say back home, what's already understood doesn't have to be explained. I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me.

Speaker 31 So

Speaker 33 it doesn't have to be explained. So what I do is I put them in positions to win.
offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively.

Speaker 33 So it's all about team team and then their individual gifts that they have, I put them in those positions to be great. And that's the best thing to do.
For me, I know when I played, I was God gifted.

Speaker 33 I could play all over the court. The coaches gave me the ball.
But this guy might need a spot up. He might need a pin down.
He might need to play out a closeout. This guy might need an ISO.

Speaker 33 So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in their strengths the entire game.

Speaker 33 And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win.

Speaker 32 See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players' weaknesses and your strengths.

Speaker 32 Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, officer coordinators understood what their players did well, I think it would make things much easier, you know, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player's strengths.

Speaker 32 So everyone could play. So offensively, everything could be a little bit better.

Speaker 32 I love that mentality as a coach.

Speaker 33 Yeah, for sure, man. You know, because all these scouting reports are going to put them in their weaknesses.
So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in a stream.

Speaker 33 I like that.

Speaker 31 Penny, let me ask you this. The NIL or whatever the case may be,

Speaker 31 actives or whatever, whatever the case may be, it's made it a lot different, more difficult.

Speaker 31 Because Penny, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach. Because if you get too hard on them, Penny, they're going to jump in the portal on you.

Speaker 31 No doubt.

Speaker 31 Penny, how do you make sure you're trying to make a kid understand or get a kid to understand, son, I'm trying to put you in the best position that I possibly can to help you succeed without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like, well, hey, I'm not getting the minutes that I need.

Speaker 31 I'm going here. Or somebody coming in and saying, son, hey, I see you and I can give you 250.
I can give you $300,000. How do you deal with that now, Penny?

Speaker 31 Because it's a lot different than when you played.

Speaker 33 I think that, you know, what I try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100% about me.

Speaker 33 And when I give the guys guys the money, right, when they come in as a basketball player, I'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible, but then you got to give me something as well.

Speaker 33 You know, the worst coaches to play for are the coaches that, all right, they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency, right?

Speaker 33 So I'm not that coach. When I get you and come and get Shannon Sharp and Ojo, I know who y'all are already.
I'm going to put you in this situation and we're going to have a partnership.

Speaker 33 It ain't going to just be all about me. And when you do that and you stand on the truth with everything that you tell this young man, then they respect that man.

Speaker 33 And the respect factor goes a long way. You know, when you respect your coach, you'll run through a lot.

Speaker 31 You don't want no butthole coach.

Speaker 33 You don't want no coach that's going to be, you know, all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time, and not really trying to see your side of things.

Speaker 33 Because in today's game, you got to see the other kid. You got to see his side.
In our era, the coach said what he said, and we just did it.

Speaker 31 That was it.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 31 Let me. You got it? Let me let me ask you.
Penny, let me ask you this: What happens when a player comes to you and say, coach, I need more minutes.

Speaker 31 I ain't getting the minutes, so I'm going to have to leave.

Speaker 33 If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes.

Speaker 33 So I stand on the truth. If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and putting the work in.

Speaker 33 We need to work on the unrequired hours as well, not just coming to practice and think you're going to get shots up, but what are you doing to affect winning positively, not negatively?

Speaker 33 You're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to the gym. You're not watching film.

Speaker 33 You're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready staying ready so you don't have to get ready a lot of these guys come to the gym during practice they might make a couple bucks but they don't sprint the lane they don't get a stick hand up they don't take charges they're not playing tough multiple efforts and that's what's going to get you on the floor with me if you're not on the floor then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we're what we're needing you to do and we give it to them in black and white we have non-negotiables these are non-negotiables if you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level you can't get many minutes.

Speaker 33 And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level where you can do those at a high level.

Speaker 32 And now, with coaching that way, with that type of transparency, do the players react well

Speaker 32 like that as opposed to, you know, you got to think about this. Today, today's era, everybody is getting participation trophies.
They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of,

Speaker 32 even when you're not doing things the right way.

Speaker 32 Do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency?

Speaker 33 They react well to the truth because I love on them as well. You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you.
If you ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you ready to watch film, I'm ready.

Speaker 33 I'll take them out to lunch. Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand, I need you, but you got to do your part too.
You're just not going to be given this.

Speaker 33 And I know what

Speaker 33 Shannon said, that they'll transfer. But when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity, you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway, and you stand on the truth.
That truth is everything.

Speaker 33 They respect that more. I've had the guys respect that more.

Speaker 31 You've been at Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any any coach? Nah, not really.
I was going to be in TV.

Speaker 33 I was going to go to the ESPN, TNT, and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all.

Speaker 33 Obviously, I had the background being a point guard, understanding the game, and I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was going to be a college coach.

Speaker 31 Hey,

Speaker 31 when you...

Speaker 32 Now, I was going to say that I like the fact that you transitioned into coaching, and obviously, you might have wanted to do TV with as much knowledge of the game that you do have, playing it at a very high level, being being very successful at it, and now coaching.

Speaker 32 Like, are there any unexpected challenges you have, being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level?

Speaker 33 Yeah, because

Speaker 33 they don't see it like you. You want them to see it like you, but it's also a challenge to me to

Speaker 33 develop and teach until I get it.

Speaker 33 That's the drive for me.

Speaker 31 Right?

Speaker 33 That's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in June to be ready by the time the season starts.

Speaker 33 And as the season goes on, to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player.

Speaker 33 Because every kid that comes to my team that's been a good player somewhere else, they become a great player here because I'm so invested in each young man on their skill set, their mental, off-the-court things.

Speaker 33 It's a full-time job. It's not just being a coach.

Speaker 4 Man, that's fine.

Speaker 31 Penny,

Speaker 31 when you shot Blue Trips, did you know much about Shaq? And what did you expect to come out of that movie?

Speaker 31 Did you ever think like, damn, man, I sure wish I could play with this fella?

Speaker 33 You know, when I, um, we did a, uh, we had an Olympic festival. It was like north, south, east, west teams in the summertime.
It was held in Minnesota.

Speaker 33 And Shaq and I played on the same team for like a half or summer, maybe a month, month and a half or whatever. And we got to know each other, you know, a little bit.

Speaker 33 But blue chips, I used that platform. To show Shaq who I was.
The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me.

Speaker 31 I auditioned for him, not the movie, to make him like Orlando. I did like that.
I did that. I did that every day.

Speaker 31 Peter, have you ever thought about, man,

Speaker 31 if my knee, I think you had a knee issue, you tried to come back, you end up having, did you end up having microfracture on that knee?

Speaker 33 I did. The microfracture took me out.
I had 70 surgeries all together, but the last one was microfracture.

Speaker 31 That was it.

Speaker 33 Same knee, left knee.

Speaker 31 If I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone. They drill into the bone, try to let it drain, try to make it, let it heal on its own.

Speaker 31 And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had microfracture.
I think Bruce Smith had micro fracture and they've had eight, 10 plus years of great play.

Speaker 31 You, it kind of robbed you of your lift and now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end?

Speaker 33 You know, I didn't, but the thing that was so crazy is was I was playing in Phoenix and we were playing the Lakers, the year the Lakers won the championship in 02.

Speaker 33 And I was playing with a torn meniscus i tore my meniscus in the first round against san antonio and i kept playing and i got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the through the through the playoffs

Speaker 31 okay and

Speaker 33 y'all know how that how that is right so i was i do paying and i was playing with a torn meniscus and tim duncan who was much smarter than me he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested and you know what happened after that his greatness or whatever But it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series, I still was, I had spring, I had quickness.

Speaker 33 If you looked in that series, I averaged about 20 a game. We took those guys to six games and obviously lost.
After that, I didn't need the micro fracture.

Speaker 33 I just needed that, that meniscus area prepared. And man, I got that micro fraction that took me out because I still had bounce and spring.

Speaker 33 Even though I was feeling some pain, I still had my quickness. I still had my power.
After that micro fracture, man, my quad depleted and I never got my quad strength back like ever.

Speaker 31 Yeah, that's the biggest thing, Penny, when you have those surgeries, it's the surrounding muscles, is that to get that strength back. And people realize that, oh, my knee feels good.

Speaker 31 But if that quad, if that hamstring, if that calf, if those attached muscles, if they're not repaired, it's not going to fire and it's not going to be able to, your stability, that's your stability to be able to be able to sustain that up down because you're doing this every night.

Speaker 31 Back then, Penny, y'all played 75, at least 75 games. It wasn't no low management where you take 15 games out, you missed 15, 20 games.
You missed 15, 20 games. You were injured.

Speaker 31 It wasn't no, oh, yeah, Penny got the night off because, you know, he done played a back-to-back. He going to play three games in a week, so we're going to get Penny the next game off.

Speaker 31 There was none of that.

Speaker 33 No, there was none of that at all. But the biggest thing about me, I was going to play for my fans.
I knew people would come to the game to see me, so I wasn't missing no games.

Speaker 31 I was really, really hurt.

Speaker 31 I like it. I like it.
Oh, Joe.

Speaker 32 I'd have asked all my good juicy questions, but I'm good. I'm just ready for this one-on-one, boy.

Speaker 31 That's it.

Speaker 31 Peter that's your you grew up in Memphis you played at Memphis you coach at Memphis is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving Memphis

Speaker 33 man that'd be tough that would be tough I mean everybody know I bleed blue man and it got kind of rocky last year so I didn't know where it was gonna go but honestly I want to win a championship for my city I really do you know if something comes about

Speaker 33 You know, we'll cross that road. But everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart, man.

Speaker 31 Right. Penny, tell the story how you got the name, because I think you told the name your grandmother was calling you pretty.

Speaker 31 And they thought you're saying Penny.

Speaker 31 And so, so tell the story how you got the name.

Speaker 33 I was living with my mother until I was five, and then my mom left me with my grandmother. So when I moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood, she used to call me Pretty.

Speaker 33 And with her southern accent, it sounded like Penny, honestly.

Speaker 33 And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying,

Speaker 33 you know, Penny. She was like, there's no penny that lives here.
And I was like, grandmother, that's me. And that's how it just stuck from that point.
I just started letting everybody call me Penny.

Speaker 31 That's loud.

Speaker 31 See, now we understand. Now y'all understand why Glorilla, how she sounds, she from the same area.
She's from the same area, Glow. Yeah, Glow.

Speaker 31 You from the same area, Penny. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro.

Speaker 31 Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament.
And when you cut down the nets, come back and join you. Come back and join your boy.
I will.

Speaker 33 And we're going to get that one on.

Speaker 32 I got you, baby, man. I salute you, baby.

Speaker 31 All right, say, brother. Hey, what's up, Penny? Before you go, I need them galaxy phone posits.
I know you got a pair of sides. 12.
No, 13, 13, 13, 13. You got that coming.

Speaker 33 You got that coming. They're going to be there.
So as I get back on,

Speaker 31 appreciate it, Penny. Thank you.

Speaker 31 All right.

Speaker 31 Mr. Once in himself, Penny Hardaway, great dude, man.
Ocho. I don't know, like, the chat, how many people remember watching Penny play, but he was a wizard with the basketball.

Speaker 31 He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson, a guy that was 6'7 and a half that could score. He could score the difference between me and Magic.

Speaker 31 Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball and could play with the fact that, but he was a big guard like Magic.
Magic, 6'9. Penny, 6'7.
We hadn't seen point guards like

Speaker 31 that that could handle the ball like

Speaker 31 handle it. And then think about him and Shaq.

Speaker 31 Him and Shaq

Speaker 31 in the pick and roll, the love. Penny getting downhill can finish at the rim, everything.
He had the mid-range,

Speaker 31 had a nice float game. And that injury, like he said, he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up.
They ended up doing microfracture, and he never recovered. He never recovered, Ocho.

Speaker 32 Ah, man, I hate injuries, man.

Speaker 31 And you know, sometimes guys get surgeries, then you're like, damn, guys have back surgery. Look at Gronk.
Gronk had a back surgery in college.

Speaker 31 Went on, had a Hall of Fame career. Like I said, Rod had microfracture.
Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had micro factor. They played another eight, nine years.

Speaker 31 Penny,

Speaker 31 it was downhill after that.

Speaker 32 Go ahead, Ocho. Think about some of the injuries, man, to some of some of our greats, some of our greats, where me, where they weren't able to finish their story.
The Penny Hardaways,

Speaker 32 the Peter Warwicks, the Derek Rose, Brandon Roy,

Speaker 31 Greg Oden, the guys.

Speaker 32 Like so many dudes. And

Speaker 32 I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing so they could finish their career every year so they could finish their careers the way they should have because injuries have robbed us to some great stories on

Speaker 31 some great understanding

Speaker 31 because you know back then ocho they did that big surgeon they split you had everybody you remember i remember when i first got into the league it had that big scar right down the middle that big zipper

Speaker 31 uh but now the technical incision is so small they done got the way they could they they take part of your patella tendon to repair they do cadavers they do man technology medical modern medicine has improved so much.

Speaker 31 I mean, normally, if you had a McKeeley's, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence.
Now, guys come back stronger, better than ever.

Speaker 31 Like, hold on, because look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back and played 15, 16 years, went to the Pro Bowl, was, I think, a first to a second team all-pro

Speaker 31 man. It was, you know, when you look at it, oh, Joe, it's uh,

Speaker 31 but to watch him because I'm old enough to remember, I remember him at Memphis. I remember him going to uh

Speaker 31 to uh Orlando because they made the swap. They traded Chris Weber because Orlando got back-to-back, number one overall picks, and they ended up trading Chris C.
Webb.

Speaker 31 He ends up going to go, if I'm not mistaken, think good goes to Golden State, and then Orlando swaps out and they get Penny.

Speaker 31 That thing was something of beauty. Damn, that was a thing of beauty.
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Speaker 31 Lakers beat the Nuggets 12108, win their third straight game during the five-game homestand. Yoke Jamal Murray was out.
LeBron Roy was out. Luca, 31 points, nine rebounds, seven assists.

Speaker 31 Luca is his 230-point game. He had a 20-point quarter and a 20-point half.
So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early.

Speaker 31 Oh, Joe, I mean, for like the first quarter, they could not miss a three. They had 45 points

Speaker 31 in the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter.
Let them get back into the ball game. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter.
Blew the game open.

Speaker 31 I think the Nuggets scored 31, 32 points in the third quarter, fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough. Yo, excuse me.

Speaker 31 Luca, 31 points nine rebounds seven assists his 230 point game austin reeves had uh 22 point eight assists um but i thought the lakers played really well they set the tempo early they didn't play down to the level of competition knowing two of their best players was out and sometimes you get that ocho the warriors made that mistake the other night

Speaker 31 they looked at it like oh murray not playing oh yoke not playing and the next thing you know you find yourself with an l hung on you but watching the game ojo what you thought about the lakers and how they looked tonight I mean, it was impressive, it was very impressive.

Speaker 32 Not only did Luca come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter, actually, he said they Luca set the tone for the game

Speaker 32 with what he did in the first quarter, coming out with 21 points in the first half, and in the first quarter. And everybody, everybody played well.

Speaker 31 Most of the time,

Speaker 32 what happens is when you play a team that doesn't have a player

Speaker 32 like Murray playing and the other Joke

Speaker 31 name?

Speaker 31 Joke. Lokic.
Okay, Jokic.

Speaker 32 Jokic. I don't know why I keep calling him Joker.
Jokic

Speaker 32 playing, you play down to your competition. Most of the time, you end up losing, similar to how the Warriors did the other night.
But obviously, the Lakers didn't do that.

Speaker 32 They did slow down at some point, but it wasn't enough for the Nuggets to get back in the game. And they eventually ended up winning the game.
So, I mean, it was a good game.

Speaker 32 Obviously, the superstars are out.

Speaker 32 You would have liked to have seen Jokic playing and Murray, LeBron healthy, Luca playing just to see a team at full strength to see what the game would have been like

Speaker 31 yeah i thought the lakers i thought judge jj had a good game plan but when the shots are playing damn the game plan yeah i thought they moved the ball early i think sometimes the lakers get careless there are times look you just have to accept luca is going to try some things i mean he's going out of bounds and he tried to throw a pass behind his back um turnover uh and that allowed that's what allowed the uh the nuggets to make this run they started turning the ball over in the second quarter hold on what he did what he did going out of what he's going out of bounds and trying to throw the ball behind his back to a guy right there up under the basket i was like lord have mercy luca but that's luca you have to accept the good with the bad right that's his game that's what he that's how he plays and uh you got to think

Speaker 32 with that you got to think about it when it comes to him now you do some things you don't like you have you got to accept the good with the bad but there's more good than bad when it comes to him when he's playing yeah for sure um ar

Speaker 31 man ar has been great i i like this game but you could tell, and you look at him from the time he got there to where he is now. Yeah.

Speaker 31 He's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game.
You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him.

Speaker 31 And that's what I like to see, regardless of the sport you play. It needs to mean something to you.
You got to want to get better. You can't rest on your laurels.

Speaker 31 Yeah, he got a three-year contract, probably paid him like $13, $14 million. He said, nah, I want one of them big daddies.
I want one of them 200s. Yeah.
And he's going to get it.

Speaker 31 And he would have earned it. Yeah.

Speaker 31 He would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him.
Everybody in every trade always tried to include him.

Speaker 31 And a lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement.
They saw

Speaker 31 the maturation. Getting better from the three, getting better at finishing at the rim, got Niles handles.
He's putting the ball on the floor. He got the nice snatch pool.

Speaker 31 He's He's really, he's turned himself into an all-star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards.

Speaker 31 And, you know, you got to get by Steph, and you got Ja and you got Shea Gilgis, and you got Harden, you got some Kyrie. You got some really good guards in the Western Conference.

Speaker 31 But, man, the way he's playing, he's an all-star caliber. You know, he's an all-star caliber player, and he can handle the ball.
LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time.

Speaker 31 If you go back and look at that

Speaker 31 Memphis Grizzlies series, he actually won him a game. LeBron's like, nope, don't give the ball to me.
You take it. Go win the game, boys.

Speaker 31 And he's done that. So I just love the way he's improved, how he's gotten better.
And this Laker team, I think if they get healthy, I think they can be dangerous.

Speaker 31 I still think they are big short, but hey,

Speaker 31 we'll see what happens when the rubber needs to meet the road.

Speaker 32 Yeah, listen, you know the game of basketball very well. So does everybody else.
Everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the Lakers.

Speaker 32 They don't have a big. In order to compete, in order to go as far as you need to go, you're going to have to have a big.

Speaker 32 And they just don't have it.

Speaker 31 But

Speaker 32 we're going to see what they can do with that two-headed monster. Once LeBron comes back, we'll see what happens.

Speaker 31 Well, because they're going to be small. Once Jackson Hayes goes out of the lineup, they're small.
I mean, Coloco,

Speaker 31 he's okay.

Speaker 31 A little small.

Speaker 31 Height, okay. Height's fine, but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket.
And so they, you know, people can just uproot him and just move him off, it move him off the spot.

Speaker 31 Off the spot, yeah.

Speaker 31 Yeah. But, you know, I mean, and there are going to be some times that probably LeBron's going to have to slide to the five.
Ooh.

Speaker 31 And, you know,

Speaker 31 I mean, because really, if you really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know.

Speaker 31 Rudy Gobert is not going to cause you any damage.

Speaker 31 Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein. They got Chad Horngen.

Speaker 31 But when you look at uh memphis zach eady

Speaker 31 he's just a big body he just sits screens and stuff like that yeah down to the basket yeah

Speaker 31 so you look at the teams now sungoon sungun now he can be a problem for the rockets yes sir yeah he's an all-star he's an all-star for a reason but um like i said i like the lakers LeBron gets healthy.

Speaker 31 Luca is Luca come playoff time. He has the third highest scoring.
No, he has the second highest scoring average in playoff history.

Speaker 31 with that being said uh lebron healthy lebron is a top five in playoff history as far as scoring they can do some damage but i just wish they had another big i don't know why they signed alex lynn um

Speaker 31 hey hey uncle you ain't been too high on brother lynn baby yeah what's wrong with brother lynn he uh he he he's about he's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history

Speaker 31 that that's his next profession it ain't gonna be in the nba it's gonna be coaching basketball somewhere.

Speaker 31 Maybe high school. Ocho.

Speaker 31 Ocho. The Lakers stopped the bleeding today after a four-game skid in which this saw them go from the two-seed all the way to the five-seed.
They got

Speaker 31 33 points, 11 rebounds, eight assists from Luca. They got 28 points from Austin Reeves.
Jackson Hayes matched the season high with 19.

Speaker 31 And they win 107 to 96. Kevin Durant had 21 points.
Debbie Booker had

Speaker 31 19 for the 11th place. Sons.

Speaker 31 The Lakers failed three spots during the West. They lost all four games.
They were on the Rodocho. And currently, a stretch of Brutal wins seven games in 10 days, including five at home in seven days.

Speaker 31 A lot of this had to do with, you remember when they had to fire the wildfires in NLA? They had to make

Speaker 31 games. They got to make up a game in which San Antonio was supposed to play.
That game got postponed, so now it got sandwiched in here. And so now they got to play.

Speaker 31 LeBron missed his fourth straight game, but Coach Reddick said Braun is ramping up towards a return. Probably won't be back until the end of the week, but couldn't come at a better time, right?

Speaker 31 Because they got they had they needed to stop the hemorrhaging today,

Speaker 31 they were able to do that, but they're not out of the woods because if I'm not mistaken, they still got they got the nuggets

Speaker 31 up on this kid, yeah, they got the nuggets, they got San Antonio on the I think they got San Antonio on the 17th, that's tomorrow.

Speaker 31 Wait,

Speaker 31 oh

Speaker 32 i forgot is when be with wimby playing when we not playing is he no no wimby

Speaker 31 wimby's done yeah but i thought i thought the lakers played really good they needed this type of game from luca luca and also read basically they led the charge uh jackson hay did a great job of rolling to the rim that's what luca wants luca wants a guy uh a big that's that's that's agile that's athletic he doesn't need to be the best shooter can you catch lobs how many lives did luca throw him how many lives did AR throw him?

Speaker 31 And that's what you need. That's what, hey, just run to the rim, son.
Yeah.

Speaker 31 Hey, hey, when they come to doubling, which they're going to do, you did, they did a lot of that late in the ball game to try to get the ball out of Luca's hands. Uh, and rightfully so.

Speaker 31 And Luca, great awareness, throw it up. Jackson Hayes brings it down, dunks it home.
So, uh,

Speaker 31 I would have loved, man, I just want LeBron to come back and not have any setbacks and see how this thing plays out for the final, you know, 17, 18 games of the regular season. But

Speaker 31 I like the way they played today. Got some great production.

Speaker 31 Gabe Vincent came in and gave some quality minutes. But they did a great job.

Speaker 31 KD did not shoot the ball well from the floor.

Speaker 31 Book did not shoot the ball well from the floor.

Speaker 31 Bradley Bill did not shoot the ball well from the floor. Hell, I'm not so sure Bradley Bill even scored a point.
Did Bradley Bill even? I'm serious, Ocho. Right.
Did Bradley Bill even score, Ash?

Speaker 31 If he did, he had minimal points.

Speaker 31 He had four points on Joe. See?

Speaker 31 Yeah, I think they really,

Speaker 31 they got themselves. He's on one of two players that have a no trade, he and LeBron.
They really want to get up. They want to move on from Bradley Bill, but he don't want to go nowhere.

Speaker 32 It's a conversation. It's a conversation that needs to be had.
Him asking, them asking him, is there somewhere you want to go where you would like to play?

Speaker 31 I kind of like it here. The weather's nice.
Sunshine. No, there's no place I want to go.

Speaker 32 I don't think that's true, Onk, because

Speaker 32 he would put forth a little bit more effort, especially when it comes to playing and being contributing to them offensively.

Speaker 31 All I'm saying, they offered him an opportunity.

Speaker 31 Where do you want to go?

Speaker 31 I mean, you got, I mean, to go, I mean, the team's got to want you. Right.

Speaker 32 You don't think a team will want him?

Speaker 31 Yeah, but not the team that he potentially wants to go to.

Speaker 32 Oh, I see. I see what you mean.
I see what you mean. Yes.

Speaker 31 Go to, Ocho, this is where you do it.

Speaker 31 You need to be with the girl that likes you, not the girl that you like.

Speaker 31 You see?

Speaker 31 Go to the team that wants you, not to the team where you want to go. Because the girl that likes you is going to treat you accordingly.
The girl that you like,

Speaker 31 listen, I ain't going to go there. I don't like Jojo.
We're not going to do that today, Ocho. We're not going to get in there.

Speaker 32 You ain't gotta do it today.

Speaker 31 We're gonna come around to it. That's what you need to do.
And see, that's the problem. He wants to go to a team

Speaker 31 that he wants,

Speaker 31 not the team that wants him.

Speaker 32 Hey, using that analogy where people can better understand it, I like that.

Speaker 32 I like that.

Speaker 31 I'm just saying, Ocho, that's like

Speaker 31 they say, oh Joe, you need to write that down.

Speaker 32 Hey, that's one I don't have to write down.

Speaker 31 I've always lived by that.

Speaker 35 Because, you know,

Speaker 35 you give me your new, how do you say it?

Speaker 32 If you give me your, you know, what to kiss,

Speaker 32 all right, bet. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 32 Hey, one thing about it,

Speaker 32 the line is very long.

Speaker 32 Yeah. You hear me? The line is very long.

Speaker 31 Oh, Joe, sometimes you gotta, oh, Joe.

Speaker 32 With those who actually will appreciate and love. Well, you know what?

Speaker 32 The dope clothes now.

Speaker 31 Ocho, let me ask you this. Yeah.

Speaker 31 When someone gives you their butt to kiss,

Speaker 31 what did you do to make them pull their pants down and turn around and say, kiss my butt? Did you do anything to facilitate that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of the time.
How you gonna be mad?

Speaker 31 Yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, but sugar ain't mad.

Speaker 32 I ain't mad all.

Speaker 31 No, but I'm saying, how are you gonna be upset talking about they give you a butt to kiss when it was you? Had they ever given you their butt to kiss before?

Speaker 32 In general, yes, I'm just speaking hypothetically.

Speaker 31 I'm saying in general, oh, yeah, hypothetically speaking, yeah, always.

Speaker 32 We, we, we always, as individuals, we always do things to get people to that point where it's like, oh, you know what,

Speaker 31 man, good,

Speaker 32 man, you done had to, no,

Speaker 32 yeah, it's life, huh?

Speaker 31 It's life, okay, yeah,

Speaker 32 but you know, I mean it happens

Speaker 31 Damn, it happens

Speaker 32 Yeah, yeah, but like like you said you always always choose who choose you

Speaker 31 Always damn

Speaker 31 Yeah, I mean hey get your little get your a uncle little reclamation project. Don't nobody want to fix old unc up

Speaker 31 there

Speaker 31 I'm a reclamation project. I ain't a finished project.
I'm a reclamation project. I mean, I need, you know, I need a new roof.
Hey,

Speaker 32 listen, we all are work in progress. You just have to find someone that's willing to work with you.

Speaker 32 Everybody want the finished product.

Speaker 31 Ain't no such thing. Nope.

Speaker 32 There's no such thing as a finished product.

Speaker 31 Regardless of how it looks,

Speaker 32 you know, it look good, look good on the outside, but it's a whole lot of work

Speaker 32 to get done

Speaker 32 on the interior. And there ain't nothing wrong with that.
You just got to have the right person that is willing to help you, you know, get through that process.

Speaker 31 Yeah, sometimes, yeah, it's outside. Sometimes you go inside, you look at it, man, that house ugly.
You go inside, like, damn, yeah, man, this is you did an unbelievable job.

Speaker 31 And sometimes it's women like that. Sometimes the prettiest women on the outside are the ugliest on the inside.

Speaker 31 And sometimes it's vice versa. Right.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 32 So

Speaker 32 I can't quite speak on that. Everyone has been, listen, everyone that has

Speaker 32 been a part of my life in any facet, way, shape, or form has been phenomenal.

Speaker 32 They've been phenomenal, you know.

Speaker 32 Like,

Speaker 32 I can, I can, I can really say, I can really say they've been great in my growth

Speaker 32 as a man, as a father.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 32 I like that.

Speaker 32 I haven't experienced what you just said in that sense, but

Speaker 32 that's a good one. I haven't had experience.
So I've been lucky

Speaker 32 I still got some work to do though

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