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Speaker 4 Yeah. We're going to go.
We're going to get into March Madness. I'm going to show you this a little later.
Day one of March Madness in the books. Hey, got an upset already, Ocho.

Speaker 4 The biggest upset of the tournament thus far, McNeese, number 12, McNeese State over number five, Clemson, 69-67.

Speaker 4 McNeese became the 47th number 12 seed to win a first-round game since 1979, and in the process, won his first NCA tournament game in school history.

Speaker 4 The performance comes in wake of Coach Will Wade's agreement. He's leaving McNeese at the end of the tourney run to become the head coach of the Wolfpack of NC State.

Speaker 4 But Wade's transparency with his players and the mission that he had contact with NC State did not become a distraction.

Speaker 4 He said, Ocho, do you think him leaving propelled his team to spring this upset?

Speaker 4 I think maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe so. But listen, you know, when it comes to basketball, it's one game.
It's not a seven-game series, not a five- or six-game series.

Speaker 4 You go out there and what team shows up that Pacific Day? Your ranking don't matter. It don't matter what you've done during the regular season.
Once it comes to Marsh Madness, you got one shot.

Speaker 4 One shot to get it right. Yep.
And they got it right. Maybe there might have been some type of motivation behind coach, them knowing coach is leaving and you want to send him out the right way.

Speaker 4 And if this is any testament to that, kudos to them. Yeah.
They play really well. Ocho, the thing is, is that.

Speaker 4 There's a difference between truth and transparency. Talk to me.
You see, the difference. See, truth is, you ask me a question.

Speaker 4 i tell you the truth transparency is you telling me something that i didn't even ask you to tell me

Speaker 4 oh job sorry i ain't gonna do that oh joe don't you get that don't you get that

Speaker 4 hold on hold on hold on um we just started the show

Speaker 4 hey

Speaker 4 we don't get into the show oh joe i no yeah i i think gonna get into the show you coming out with hot fire already

Speaker 4 give me that come on now you come on don't do me like that give me that one more time. I got to write that down.
I'm telling you, truth. That transparency line was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 Truth is telling you, you ask me a question, I tell you the truth. Transparency is telling you something you didn't even ask me.

Speaker 4 I'm being transparent. You don't even know.
See, if I, you ask, if you tell me, say, well, Shannon, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. Yeah, yeah, this is what I did.

Speaker 4 But let me tell you something else that you didn't know. That's being transparent.
And there's a difference between the two.

Speaker 4 And so I think him, even before

Speaker 4 they found out, he was like, look, guys, I've had contact. There's a possibility I could be leaving you guys and going somewhere else.
And I think that plays a large part. That's what transparency is.

Speaker 4 People say transparent. I want you to be transparent.

Speaker 4 Now I think that's a good definition of good understanding is telling someone something they didn't even ask. Now you're being transparent.

Speaker 4 And so I think this definitely helped. But like you said, Ocho, in a game of this magnitude, when one shot is, and that's one shining moment,

Speaker 4 I just got to be better than you for this day. I got to be better.
I ain't got to be a better team. I just got to be better than you today.

Speaker 4 Yeah, for two hours. That's it.
That's it. And they were.
But I think that's, and I think that's why people love March Madison so much, Ocho, because realistically,

Speaker 4 yes, sir.

Speaker 4 Anything can happen on that Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Speaker 4 And people like that.

Speaker 4 Because the underdog, like, man, my team really got a chance to be the Duke, to beat a North Carolina, to be the Clemson, to beat a UCLA, or one of these blue blood programs, Kentucky, Kansas.

Speaker 4 My team, you could, man, you know what? My team did that. My team really truly has a chance to do that.

Speaker 4 So, and listen, go ahead.

Speaker 4 There's a reason they call it March. And the last word is madness.

Speaker 4 because ain't no telling what's going to happen, regardless of seating, regardless of the conference, regardless of how small your program may be,

Speaker 4 all it take is what team is showing up that day for two hours. A team get a lot.
Oh, Joe, I think for me, a team get hot. And you know, team get hot.
They make

Speaker 4 10 lem 12 threes in a college game. That's huge.
They go on the run, all of a sudden, they can't miss. We've seen it before.
We've seen Villanova pull the upset over Georgetown.

Speaker 4 We've seen NC State take down

Speaker 4 Five Slammer Jammer in 1984.

Speaker 4 No, that was 83. 83, excuse me.
83, the Wolfpack took him down.

Speaker 4 Because in 84,

Speaker 4 Georgetown won. Georgetown beat Houston that year.
Because that was the year Akeem ended up turning pro. But, yeah, so

Speaker 4 got another one, Ocho. Drake is headed to the second round.
The Bulldogs just upset Missouri 67, 57.

Speaker 4 Golly. That's a number 11 took down a number six.
Earlier, we had a number 12, took down a number 5. I think the thing is, we're waiting for that.
We're waiting for that 116, 215, 314. Because

Speaker 4 in the note said earlier, 47 times of 12 is taking down number five. So we've gotten kind of like,

Speaker 4 we expect 112 to take down a five seed in the first round.

Speaker 4 I mean, we're going to the thing.

Speaker 4 I mean, so when we get this, even though it is an upset because you're ranked five, the other team is ranked 12, 11 versus a six, we're expecting this now because we've seen it happen so much over the years.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 we're not nearly as shocked. But now when we get a 116, we get a good get a 215, we get a 314.
Now you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's really going on

Speaker 4 really going on but yeah do upsets early i wonder how many perfect brackets that we still have listen i honestly honestly you would have to make multiple brackets yeah for sure make multiple brackets with multiple scenarios for your bracket to be right there's no way in hell people are guessing the bracket on one shot with some of the upsets and getting it right.

Speaker 4 Because if you are and if you're able to do it and you out there and your bracket is still intact today, you need to give me the numbers to make it millions in the lotto and power ball and pick and pick five

Speaker 4 please please do i mean you the the first round is really not that hard because i think warren buffett had a had a thing that if you compete a perfect bracket and pick the uh national champ you'll get a billion dollars but that ain't gonna happen

Speaker 4 you've got a better chance of winning the lottery than picking the perfect bracket all the way through and getting the national champion right

Speaker 4 you got a better chance. I mean, think about it, Ocho, every single round from 64 to 32 to 16 to 8 to 4.

Speaker 4 And to get it,

Speaker 4 that ain't happening. But you get that right.
That ain't nothing but God's grace. Yeah.
And favor. Well, you better let God pick it, then.
You better not pick it. You better let him pick it.

Speaker 4 You better let him fill out your bracket.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You better let him fill out your

Speaker 4 bracket. Ocho, the number eight, got Zaga.

Speaker 4 The Zags

Speaker 4 beat number nine, Georgia Bulldogs, 89-68. The Zags look to be drastically underseated as the number eight made easy work over the Georgia Bulldogs.

Speaker 4 Gonzaga has now played 26 straight NCA tournament games. Georgia was playing for the first time since 2015.
One team looked very, very comfortable on this stage. The other team did not.

Speaker 4 The Jags jumped out to a 27-3 lead and never looked back. Georgia had 13 turnovers, shot just five of 26 from the three, including back-to-back air balls at one point in the first half.

Speaker 4 They trailed by 25 points on multiple occasions. Look, I think, didn't Ganzaga just play for the national championship a couple of years ago? And, you know, they have really good players.

Speaker 4 They had Jalen Suggs come out of there, Timmy, Chet Hongren. So they've had

Speaker 4 Rui Hachimura. They've had some guys, some really good players come out of Gunzaga.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 I'm not surprised.

Speaker 4 I definitely would, even though they were a higher seed,

Speaker 4 I would have picked the Zags to beat the Bulldogs. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, you've been there that many times.

Speaker 4 I don't think anybody's surprised that the Zags.

Speaker 4 Probably the only people that

Speaker 4 picked them were Bulldog fans. On Saturday, get ready to see how good the Zags are.
They'll try to beat the top-seeded Houston Cougars to make the 10th straight Sweet 16.

Speaker 4 Hey, now that's going to be a good one.

Speaker 4 Now, that's going to be a good one. We got to be able to have that pressure.

Speaker 4 Drew Kimmy.

Speaker 4 That's who.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 damn.

Speaker 4 What, what, what, what? Number 10 Arkansas Razorbacks took down the number seven Kansas Jayhawks 79-72 in a game of runs between two championship coaches.

Speaker 4 Number seven seed Kansas escaped the win with eight ties and 10 different lead changes.

Speaker 4 The number 10 Arkansas Razorback used a 7-0 run to give Coach John Calapara a 70-79-672 victory over the Jayhawks and Bill Self in the Providence, Rhode Island.

Speaker 4 What do you think? I mean, Coach Kay left.

Speaker 4 The criticisms became a little bit unbearable because I hold up, bro.

Speaker 4 Every year, think about all the first-round draft picks that you've had, all the number one overall draft picks that you've had, and you've only got one national championship to show.

Speaker 4 And Kentucky is about championships. Coach Rubb, Tubby Smith, Rick Petino, even Caliph Stack one, but you got number one overalls and pick Anthony Davis.
You got Carl Anthony Towns.

Speaker 4 you got boogie cover you got number all john wall you got uh uh uh shea giljin you got uh a tyler hero you got jamal murray you got devin booker you got the uh vanderbilt come on coach

Speaker 4 listen i listen it's been a farm system for them yeah it's been a farm system for them in and out with number one pick some of the greatest not only to play collegiate football but some of the greatest also in the nba but also uncle you got to think about it think about the think about who they were losing to

Speaker 4 they weren't losing to no scrub. They're also losing to other players that played well collectively as a group.
Yeah. Now,

Speaker 4 we name in one-offs of great players that happen to be on the team.

Speaker 4 But you didn't realize that John Wall and Boogie Cousin was on the same team, right? Oh, yeah, they was on the same team, but that's why, that's why, that's the key word that you heard me say.

Speaker 4 The team that they lost to played together collectively as a team. They've been much better than him as a two-headed monster.

Speaker 4 So Southmore,

Speaker 4 the teams that's beating them are Southmore's juniors and seniors sprinkled in. Where they're just one and done.
And look,

Speaker 4 try to learn how to play together. Because

Speaker 4 all these guys, Murray was the guy.

Speaker 4 Book was the guy. Hero was the guy.
All these guys were the guy. Now you're asking all these five-star to come together and say, okay, bro, for the common good, hey, this is what we need.
It's hard.

Speaker 4 It's really hard because everybody has the same ambition is to go play in the NBA.

Speaker 4 But in order to get there, you're going to have to have sacrifices. And it's hard.
I mean, you look at the teams that win, they got juniors and seniors sprinkled in in there look at UConn yeah yeah

Speaker 4 they're not as you got they're not as

Speaker 4 as deep as far as as far as juniors and seniors and they're struggling they obviously don't have the same talent you know you lose Klingon then you lose capsule you lose some of these other guys and so you're gonna struggle but

Speaker 4 Coach Cow pulled it coach Cal got it done in Arkansas' first

Speaker 4 win in the tournament as head coach of Arkansas. We know he was at a lot of different places.
Where was he at UMass? He ended up going to, he was in the NBA. Then he goes to Memphis.

Speaker 4 Then he goes to Kentucky. Stayed in Kentucky for a number of years.
He did win a national championship.

Speaker 4 But he moves on and he gets his win there. The number one seeds, Auburn and Houston, both take care of business.
Auburn beat Alabama State 83-63.

Speaker 4 Auburn cruised behind 23 points from Miles Kelly and 14 points, 11 rebounds from Player of the Year candidate Johnny Brome.

Speaker 4 Setting up Saturday date with the number nine, Creighton, Houston will play SIU Edwardsville. Oh, they beat SIU Edwardsville 78-40.
Damn.

Speaker 4 Kevin Sampson was able to rest his starter for much of the second half after building a 28-point lead in the first half. No starter played more than 23 minutes.

Speaker 4 Houston has been haunted by injuries in the NCA tournament the last three years, but it cruised into the second round with his entire rotation intact.

Speaker 4 So no surprise. I mean, I think some people, a lot of people probably got Houston going all the way through, at least advancing to the Elite Eight, if not the Final Four.

Speaker 4 Now, listen, who did you say Houston has coming up? They played Gazag on Saturday, right?

Speaker 4 Yes. In the Zag? Yep.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I don't think I'm. Listen,

Speaker 4 I ain't no telling what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 It's one day, but Houston is good. Houston is very, very good.
But again, it's called March Madness for a Reason. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 The Boston Celtics has been sold for $6.1 billion,

Speaker 4 the highest price ever paid for a North American sports franchise in history. The Boston Celtics will have a new owner for the first time in more than two decades.

Speaker 4 Bill Chisholm, the managing partner of Symphony Technology Group, STG, will buy the franchise at a price of $6.1 billion.

Speaker 4 The sale price is the largest for a North American franchise, topping the 6.05 billion the group led by Josh Harris paid for the Washington Commanders in 2023 and far surpassing the $4 billion that Phoenix Suns got from Matt Ishba

Speaker 4 when he brought the team the same year.

Speaker 4 Grossback Group

Speaker 4 bought the Boston Celtics, Ocho, for $360 million and now sells it for almost 20 times.

Speaker 4 So, in other words, what they call in business, 20X as much. Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Speaker 4 If you had, let's say, 10 billion,

Speaker 4 oh, talk to me. You got $10 billion.
Would you buy a sports franchise?

Speaker 4 Not only would I buy a sports franchise, I'm buying three sports franchises.

Speaker 4 Which one? Where is it?

Speaker 4 I'm going to tell you where I'm going to go. First of all, you listen to me? I'm listening.

Speaker 4 Stay with me

Speaker 4 If I had $10 billion, for one, I'm going to talk to Mike Brown and Katie and Duke Toby. That didn't happen.
Go somewhere else. That family, mommy pop, they ain't selling that.

Speaker 4 They ain't say, okay, boom. So if I can't get that, I'm going to Naples, Italy.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I'm going to buy Napoli. You know my love, enthusiastic passion for the game of soccer and the beautiful game.
Yes.

Speaker 4 I want to own a franchise. I don't want to be a minority owner.
I'm talking about majority owner. I want to own Napoli.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Do everything I went, do everything in my power, bringing in all type of players, you know, because I'm going to have the money. I'm going to have the money to get the kind of team I want.

Speaker 4 Bring in superstars. Second thing I'm going to do, I'm going to buy the Miami Heat.

Speaker 4 You think

Speaker 4 you just saw what the Celtics went for? How much money you think you'll have to spend to get Napoli?

Speaker 4 Well, listen,

Speaker 4 oh, to get Napoli, oh, that's a good one. I'm not sure how much

Speaker 4 that franchise and the NDC will cost me. But again, I'm going to get the Miami Heat.

Speaker 4 I'm going to have to remove Pat Riley because Pat Riley's way of doing things

Speaker 4 isn't conducive for business with today's era of players.

Speaker 4 And this is Miami. Yes.
This is Miami and players don't want to come play in Miami. Miami is a melting pot for ethnicities and culture.
How does nobody want to come play here? No superstars.

Speaker 4 Listen, we got Bam. We got Tyler Hero.
You drafted him.

Speaker 4 Again, I understand that, but we can't get any superstars here. We need one more.
Jimmy left. True.

Speaker 4 So, boom, that's two. Napoli and the Miami Heat.
Now, I'm not sure how much I'm going to have left over because I don't know how much Napoli would cost me.

Speaker 4 Chad, you would probably know better than I can because you can do your homework for me real quick while we're talking about it.

Speaker 4 And then the rest of that, I'm going to sit on and I'm going to open up a cigar lounge.

Speaker 4 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 4 That's it. 980 minutes.

Speaker 4 So you got to, so basically

Speaker 4 they're going to probably up charge. So 10%.
So they're gonna charge you a billion. So, you get a charge, they're gonna charge you a bit a billion, 1.1.
Yeah, okay. So, now you got 8.9, okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, NFL, you want to get an NFL team. I mean, you told me told me I can't, you can't.
What about the Dolphins? You think Stephen Ross will send me the Dolphins?

Speaker 4 He might be willing to sell you a majority share.

Speaker 4 How much are we talking about with a majority share of the Dolphins?

Speaker 4 What you think?

Speaker 4 Probably

Speaker 4 somewhere between two and a a half and three and a half. Oh, that's done.
That's done.

Speaker 4 That is done. And listen, I'm manifesting this.
I'm manifesting this. I hope from my mouth to God's ears.

Speaker 4 Maybe it can happen. Maybe it won't.

Speaker 4 Let me dream big. I can dream big.
If I shoot for the moon and I fall short, ain't no telling what's going to happen. Normally, Ocho.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 If like a family-owned business, there need to be

Speaker 4 internal chaos.

Speaker 4 right

Speaker 4 we saw that with the bowlings they ended up selling they ended up selling the franchise but if there's not chaos like i don't believe the cowboys will ever go for sale jared jones gonna have that in his trust that the cowboys are never to be sold now no matter what once he's gone i mean hey he i'll be a say it but like like mike brown That's it.

Speaker 4 His dad, his dad started that franchise after he got

Speaker 4 he got out of the Cleveland.

Speaker 4 That's where where the Browns get their name from.

Speaker 4 And now he went to Cleveland. You know, Art Model

Speaker 4 fired him and so forth and so on. Mr.
Model bought the team.

Speaker 4 And then he started the Bengal. Me personally, on Joe, I don't believe they'll sell it.

Speaker 4 Nah, they wouldn't. But it's just a thought.
It's just a thought. Listen, where I was drafted,

Speaker 4 where I created, I left my footprint, my stamp. And just knowing that I could just

Speaker 4 being an owner of the place where I played at, at it would be it just maybe they tell you a minority share. Maybe they sell you 10, 20%

Speaker 4 because it's just hard for me to see. Like,

Speaker 4 even though I think she just passed Virginia McCasky, who's the daughter of George Hallis, who's who founded the Bears,

Speaker 4 they've only had one owner, the Steelers and the Roonies. The Steelers have owned since 1933.
Now, there was one year, not faith, the McClatchys owned it, and they ended up getting it back.

Speaker 4 So the Roonies have been, so basically, since 1933, okay, you got

Speaker 4 the Maras and the Tishi's. They co-owned the Giants.
Now, it looked like they're willing to sell a minority stake, but

Speaker 4 no controlling aspect. So basically, you know,

Speaker 4 you're going to get some money, but you don't get no say in the day-to-day operations or coaches and hiring and firing, things like that. So I'm looking at T.

Speaker 4 Go ahead.

Speaker 4 I like that.

Speaker 4 I don't need no say in day-to-day operations. I want to be in the war room.
I want to be in the war room. Listen, I also, I have an eye for talent.
I have an eye for talent.

Speaker 4 I know what things need to look like.

Speaker 4 Listen, I just want to give my suggestions. Okay.
I want to put on my suit and tie. I want to have my Bengals pin.

Speaker 4 I want to be on the golf court with Mike Brown when we go to training camp. We watching the players.

Speaker 4 What you call it? What you call it? In the owner's meeting. Yeah.
Owner's meeting. I'm at the owner's meeting, you know, nice in my suit and in my suit in my tie.

Speaker 4 What else?

Speaker 4 NFL Combine, me and Duke Tobin. I'm sitting there with my pen and pad.
You know, I got my stopwatch and Jerry.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 most of the only owners there is Jerry. And I don't even know that Jerry showed up this year.
Did Jerry go to the combine this year? Normally, owners don't. No, they send the general manager.

Speaker 4 They send everybody, your general managers, your scout

Speaker 4 personnel, things of that nature. But that's me.
I want to be hands-on.

Speaker 4 I want to be hands-on. If I get any type of minority share of the Bengals, you know, God willing, if God God wants to bless me with some type of fortune that comes out of nowhere,

Speaker 4 listen, I know, Mike, listen, Mike Brown, KD Troy, if this happens, please allow me to

Speaker 4 put in, you know, and be a part of where it all started. I think that would be a great thing.
The fans would love that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Huh? Can you imagine me being minority owner of the Bengals, also owning

Speaker 4 Napoli? Takes a lot, bro. It takes a lot of brands.
and then and then having some some some a piece of the mindy heat too

Speaker 4 hey and then you know what you know the good thing about it is what's that someone like me if i was able to attain that type of wealth i'm one of the i'm one of the few people in the world that wouldn't change wouldn't change a thing i still

Speaker 4 be the same the same same old old show you need to find me i'm at mcdonald's you want to find me you can find me at the cuban spot you know just doing just doing the same thing i always do i like that yeah i like that from from my mouth to god's ears Yeah, you might better hope maybe buy the Vegas franchise for an NBA team or hope they get another to you know have somebody

Speaker 4 want to start another franchise, but it's hard. Right.
You're more apt to get somebody to move than they make it a hard number, 33, because you got 32 teams and you got eight, 14 divisions.

Speaker 4 So that seems to be.

Speaker 4 NFL kind of seems to be set. But it looks like, if anything, the NBA will add two franchises.
One in Vegas, and it seems like Seattle is kind of the favorite since they lost the Super Sonics.

Speaker 4 And you got Vegas. They got a football team.
They got a soccer team. I mean, excuse me.
They got a hockey team. Baseball is coming in a couple of years.
They got

Speaker 4 a WNBA squad. So they'll have the four major sports.
They'll now take a basketball team. And it looks like that thing is going to go for $5, $6 billion.

Speaker 4 Woo! Yeah.

Speaker 4 I got Coach on the way. Can y'all hear me? Yep.
We got you, Coach. You got us? Yeah, I got you.
Yep. I got y'all.
Okay.

Speaker 4 He's about to jump on. Okay.
Hey, excuse me. So what's your name? Kirk.

Speaker 4 Kirk, I fucking love you. Yes, sir.
I love you. Fucking love you, too.

Speaker 4 Appreciate it. Guys, we're getting ready to get joined by.

Speaker 4 Had injuries, not robbed him. He was one of the great players in NBA history.
He's well on his way to being the guy that talked about. He was the second coming of Magic Johnson.

Speaker 4 Johnson, a big point guard, not only could score, but he could facilitate. Here he is, one cent himself, Mr.
Penny Hardaway. Penny,

Speaker 4 you got us?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 Kirk's trying to get it right, my man.

Speaker 4 Kirk was just on. There it is.
What's up? What's up? What's up? Man, we good. Penny, we good.
What's up with y'all, man? Hey, you still, Penny, you still owe me a one-on-one, man. What's good?

Speaker 4 Hey, Ocho, you can get that right now. Okay, let me know.
Hey, listen,

Speaker 4 I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do for you. I'm going to tell you what I'm going going to do.
I'm going to spot your five. You hear me? I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 I appreciate it. I'm going to take those five.

Speaker 4 Penny was a four-time all-star, three-time all-NBA selection, and he's the head coach of the Memphis Tigers. Penny, you match up tomorrow against CSU, Colorado State.

Speaker 4 You feel comfortable with what you've been able to, your team going into this game because you know, it's one and done now, Penny. It ain't no, hey, hey, we get ready.

Speaker 4 Hey, we got to go back to work the next day. You lose this game, your season's over.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we understand the magnitude of this, man, but this is what you want when you're, you know, this is what you live for. When you go

Speaker 4 you live for these days. So we understand the magnitude of what's going on.
We understand that they're a really good team.

Speaker 4 But we are also knowing that at the end of the day, we got to come and compete. They have a great offense and they play physical on defense.
All that, you know, goes along with March Madness, man.

Speaker 4 We're ready for it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Hey, I want to talk about your NBA career real quick.
When looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court that still inspire your approach to the game today as a coach?

Speaker 4 Looking back

Speaker 4 at my game and how what it inspired me is, I'm sorry, I say that again, which I'm about to say.

Speaker 4 Looking back at your NBA days, what are some moments on the court back then that inspired your approach to the game as a coach out there in Memphis? Well, it's just kill mode.

Speaker 4 You know, for me, everything I did on the floor was kill mode. So I coached the same way.
I put that battery in the back of my guys' back and I'm their biggest fans.

Speaker 4 I push them out there and give them the confidence and say, hey, man, be in kill mode and attack mode the entire game. Y'all both were the same way, man.
You just got to...

Speaker 4 When y'all were on the field and I was on the court, every possession was to kill the dude that was in front of me. You're right.
Yes, sir. Penny, let me ask you this, Penny.

Speaker 4 Because I asked a lot of great players, you know, had Isaiah on and I have Coach Prime, who's a regular contributor. Penny, how do you do it when you're such a great player?

Speaker 4 And the game seemingly came easy to you, even though you work. You can see things before they develop.

Speaker 4 how do you have the patience to realize that you know what these guys probably not gonna be penny hard away how do you have the patience because you tell some some tell a kid something and then he eff it up you go over this in practice and he eff it up you do it in film study and you're like son we went over this how do you have the patience to do what you do penny

Speaker 4 Man, it's just one of those situations that we say back home, what's already understood doesn't have to be explained. I understand that they won't be on the level mentally as me.
So

Speaker 4 it doesn't have to be explained. So what I do is I put them in positions to win offensively and I put them in positions to win as a group defensively.

Speaker 4 So it's all about team and then their individual gifts that they have, I put them in those positions to be, to be great. And that's the best, that's the best thing to do.

Speaker 4 For me, I know when I played, I was God gifted. I could play all over the court.
Coaches gave me the ball. But this guy might need a spot up.
He might need a pin down.

Speaker 4 He might need to play out a closeout. This guy might need an ISO.
So to me, the gift that God gave me was realizing the strengths and putting those guys in in their strengths the entire game.

Speaker 4 And then that patience comes along with that because I'm putting them in a position to win.

Speaker 4 See, I like that. Did you hear what he just said? Understanding your players' weaknesses and your strengths.

Speaker 4 Now, I'm not sure if it's easy to do as a basketball coach, but I wish from a football standpoint, especially at the highest level, if players or not players, if coaches, offensive coordinators understood what their players did well, I think it would make things much easier, you know, being able to manipulate what you like to do based on your player's strengths.

Speaker 4 So everyone could play. So offensively, everything could be a little bit better.

Speaker 4 I love that mentality as a coach. Yeah, for sure, man.
You know, because all the scouting reports are going to put them in their weaknesses.

Speaker 4 So we got to figure out a way to escape those weaknesses and put them in a stress.

Speaker 4 Penny, I'll ask you this.

Speaker 4 The NIL or whatever the case may be,

Speaker 4 actives or whatever the case may be, it's made it a lot different, more difficult because Penny, you can't get on a coach and coach a kid like they coach you or like you would want to coach because if you get too hard on them penny they're gonna jump in the portal on you penny how do you make sure you're trying to like make a kid understand or get a kid to understand son i'm trying to put you in the best position that i possibly can to help you succeed without them taking offense to it and going somewhere like well hey i'm not getting the minutes that i need i'm going here or somebody coming in to say son hey I see you and I can give you $250,000 I can give you $300,000.

Speaker 4 How do you deal with that now, Penny? Because it's a lot different than when you played.

Speaker 4 i think that you know what i try to do is make it a partnership and not be all 100 about me and when i give the guys the money right when they come in as a basketball player i'm going to try to make you as comfortable as possible but then you got to give me something as well you know the worst coaches to play for are the coaches that all right they're going to come in and change everything that you've ever done in your life and make you somebody that they didn't recruit or somebody that they didn't get out of free agency right so i'm not that coach when i get you and come and get shannon sharp and ojo i know who y'all are already.

Speaker 4 I'm going to put you in this situation and we're going to have a partnership. It ain't going to just be all about me.

Speaker 4 And when you do that and you stand on the truth of everything that you, that you tell this young man, then they respect that, man. And the respect factor goes a long way.

Speaker 4 You know, when you respect your coach, you're running your wall.

Speaker 4 You don't want no butthole coach.

Speaker 4 You don't want no coach that's going to be, you know, all about being anal all the time, being negative all the time, and not really trying to see your side of things.

Speaker 4 Because in today's game, you got to see the other kid. You got to see his side.
In our era, the coach said what he said, and we just did it. That was it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you this. You got it? Let me ask you this.
What happens when a player comes to you and says, coach, I need more minutes. I ain't getting the minutes or I'm going to have to leave.

Speaker 4 If he's not getting the minutes, that means he doesn't deserve the minutes. Wow.
So I stand on the truth.

Speaker 4 If you ain't getting the minutes you want, that means you ain't stepping up to the plate and putting the work in.

Speaker 4 We need to work on the unrequired hours as well, not just coming to practice and think you're going to get shots up.

Speaker 4 But what are you doing to affect winning positively not negatively you're affecting the winning negatively because you're not coming to the gym you're not watching film you're not getting extra work and waiting on your moment and being ready staying ready so you don't have to get ready a lot of these guys come to the gym during practice they might make a couple bucks but they don't sprint the lane they don't get a stick hand up they don't take charges they're not playing tough multiple efforts and that's what's going to get you on the floor with me if you're not on the floor then you're not stepping up to the plate to what we what we're needing you to do and we give it to them in black and white we have non-negotiables these are non-negotiables if you're not doing these non-negotiables at a high level you can't get many minutes.

Speaker 4 And if you're getting minutes, it's going to be small until you get to the level of where you can do those at a high level.

Speaker 4 Now, with coaching that way, with that type of transparency, do the players react well

Speaker 4 like that as opposed to, you know, you got to think about this. Today, today's era, everybody is getting participation trophies.
They patting you on the back just for simply being a part of.

Speaker 4 Even when you're not doing things the right way.

Speaker 4 Do they react well to that type of honesty and transparency? They react well to the truth because I love on them as well. You know, I'm going to be getting in the gym with you.

Speaker 4 If you ready to get in the gym, I'm ready. If you ready to watch film, I'm ready.
I'll take them out to lunch.

Speaker 4 Whatever it needs to happen for us to get that connection to understand, I need you, but you got to do your part too. You're just not going to be given this.
And I know what

Speaker 4 Shannon said, that they'll transfer. But when you have that bond and you give them an opportunity, you meet me halfway, I'll meet you halfway, and you stand on the truth.
That truth is everything.

Speaker 4 They respect that more. I've had the guys respect that more.

Speaker 4 You've been in Memphis now for seven seasons. At any point in time in your NBA playing career, did you ever think you'd be a college coach or any coach?

Speaker 4 Nah, not really. I was going to be in TV.
I was going to go to ESBN, TNT, and do that thing. I wasn't even thinking about coaching at all.

Speaker 4 Obviously, I had the background, been a point guard, understanding the game, and I've always loved teaching and developing players, but never thought I was going to be a college coach.

Speaker 4 Go ahead, Ocho.

Speaker 4 Now, I was going to say that I like the fact that you transitioned into coaching and obviously you might you might have wanted to do tv with as much knowledge of the game that that you do have playing it at a very high level being very successful at it and now coaching like are there any unexpected challenges you have being that you know the game so well at the collegiate level uh yeah because you you you don't they don't see it like you you want them to see it like you but it's also a challenge to me to to develop and teach until i get it that's the That's the drive for me, right?

Speaker 4 That's the drive for me to get this young man when he comes in in June to be ready by the time the season starts.

Speaker 4 And as the season goes on, to keep teaching him and see him develop into a really good player because every kid that comes to

Speaker 4 my team that's been a good player somewhere else, they become a great player here because I'm so invested in each young man on their skill set. their mental off-the-court things.
It's a full-time job.

Speaker 4 It's not just being a coach.

Speaker 4 Teddy, when you when you did when you shot blue chips did you know much about shaq and what did you expect to come out of that movie did you did you ever think like damn man i sure wish i could play with this fella

Speaker 4 you know when i uh we did a uh we had an olympic festival it was like north south east west teams in the summertime it was held in minnesota and shaq and i played on the same team for like a half or summer maybe a month month and a half or whatever and we got to know each other you know a little bit right but blue chips i used that platform to show shaq who I was.

Speaker 4 The whole being about that movie was to get Shaq to understand that he needed me. I auditioned for him, not the movie, to make

Speaker 4 it happen. I like that.
I did that. I like that.
I did that every day.

Speaker 4 Have you ever thought about, man,

Speaker 4 if my knee could, I think you had a knee issue. You tried to come back.
You ended up having, did you end up having micro fracture on that knee? I did. The microfracture took me out.

Speaker 4 I had seven knee surgeries altogether, but the last one was micro fracture. That was me.

Speaker 4 Same knee, left knee.

Speaker 4 And if I'm not mistaken, I think that's where they drain into the bone. They drill into the bone, try to let it drag, try to make it, let it heal on its own.

Speaker 4 And some people have had microfracture and it worked. I think Rod Woodson, he had microfracture.
I think Bruce Smith had micro fracture and they've had eight, 10 plus years of great play.

Speaker 4 You, it kind of robbed you of your lift and now you got chronic knee problems. Did you ever think in your wildest dream when you first had this injury that this was the beginning of the end?

Speaker 4 You know, I didn't, but the thing that was so crazy is was i was playing in phoenix and we were playing the lakers okay the laker corner championship in 02 and i was playing with the torn meniscus i tore my meniscus

Speaker 4 in the first round against san antonio and i kept playing and i got a quarter zone shot every other day just to make it through the through the through the playoffs

Speaker 4 okay

Speaker 4 y'all know how that how that is right so i do pay and i was playing with the torn meniscus and tim duncan who was much smarter than me, he set out that series and didn't play anymore and just kind of rested.

Speaker 4 And you know what happened after that? His greatness or whatever.

Speaker 4 But it did rob me because after I got done with the Lakers series, I still was, I had spring, I had quickness. If you looked in that series, I averaged about 20 a game.

Speaker 4 We took those guys to six games and obviously lost. After that, I didn't need the micro fracture.
I just needed that meniscus area prepared.

Speaker 4 And man, I got that micro fraction that took me out because I still had bouncing spring. Even though I was feeling some pain, I still had my quickness.
I still had my power.

Speaker 4 After that micro fracture, man, my quad depleted and I never got my quad strength back. Like, ever.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's the that's the biggest thing, Penny. When you have those surgeries, it's the surrounding muscles is that to get that strength back.
And people realize that, oh, my knee feels good.

Speaker 4 But if that quad, if that hamstring, if that calf, if those attached muscles, if they're not repaired, it's not going to fire and it's not, it's not going to be able to, it's your stability.

Speaker 4 That's your stability to be able to be able to sustain that up down because you're doing this every night. Back then, Penny, y'all played 75, at least 75 games.

Speaker 4 It wasn't no low management where you take 15 games out, you missed 15-20 games. You missed 15-20 games, you were injured.

Speaker 4 It wasn't no, oh, yeah, Penny got the night off because you know, he done played a back-to-back. He gonna play three games in a week, so we're gonna get Penny the next game off.

Speaker 4 There was none of that. No, there was none of that at all.
But the biggest thing about me, I was gonna play for my fans. I knew people would come to the game to see me, so I wouldn't miss no games.

Speaker 4 Right, uncle was really, really hurt.

Speaker 4 I like it. I like it.
So i

Speaker 4 had to i done asked all my good juicy questions but i'm good i'm just ready for this one-on-one but that's it

Speaker 4 that's your you grew up in memphis you played at memphis you coach at memphis is there a scenario where you could see yourself leaving memphis

Speaker 4 man that'd be tough that would be tough i mean everybody know i bleed blue man and it got kind of rocky last year So I didn't know where it was going to go.

Speaker 4 But honestly, I want to win a championship for my city. I really do.

Speaker 4 You know, if something else comes about um you know we'll cross that road but everybody that knows me knows that that blue is in my heart man right benny tell the story how you got the name because i think you told the name your grandmother was calling you pretty and they thought you're saying penny

Speaker 4 and so so tell the story how you got the name well i was living with my mother until i was five and then my mom left me with my grandmother so when i moved to my mom's area of the neighborhood She used to call me Pretty.

Speaker 4 And with her southern accent, it sounded like Penny, honestly.

Speaker 4 And one day somebody called my house and was like, can I speak to Penny? Because they thought she was saying,

Speaker 4 you know, Penny. And she was like, there's no Penny that lives here.
And I was like, grandmother, that's me. And that's how it just stuck from that point.

Speaker 4 I just started letting everybody call me Penny.

Speaker 4 See, now we understand. Now y'all understand why Glorilla, how she sound, she from the same.

Speaker 4 You know, messing with Darrell Glow. Yeah, Glow.

Speaker 4 You from the same area as Penny. Penny, thank you for joining us, bro.

Speaker 4 Good luck tomorrow night. Good luck throughout the tournament.
And when you cut down the nets, come back and join you. Come back and join your boy.
I will. And we'll go get that one-on-one, Ocho.

Speaker 4 I got you, baby, man. I salute you, baby.
All right. Hey, one more thing, Penny, before you go.
I need them galaxy phone posits. I know you got a pair.
What size? 12. No, 13, 13.

Speaker 4 13, 13. You got that coming.
You got that coming. Let that go be there.
As soon as I get that on, I got them all.

Speaker 4 Appreciate it, Penny. Take care of myself.
No doubt. All right.
Peace.

Speaker 4 Mr. One Sent himself.
Penny Hardaway, great dude, man. Ocho.
I don't know

Speaker 4 how many people remember watching Penny play, but he was a whipper with the basketball. He was supposed to be the next Magic Johnson, a guy that was 6'7 and a half that could score.

Speaker 4 He could score the difference between him and Magic.

Speaker 4 Magic couldn't score like Penny. Penny could really score the basketball.

Speaker 4 Could play with his back, but he was a big guard like Magic. Magic, 6'9.
Penny, 6'7. We hadn't seen point guards like that that could handle the ball.
Handle the ball. Handle it.

Speaker 4 And then think about him and Shaq.

Speaker 4 him and shaq

Speaker 4 in the pick and roll the lob penny getting downhill can finish at the rim everything he had every had the mid-range

Speaker 4 had a nice float game and that injury like you said he said he just needed his meniscus cleaned up they ended up doing micro fracture and he never recovered he never recovered oh yo

Speaker 4 god man you know sometimes guys get surgeries and you're like damn guys have back surgery look at gronk gronk had a back surgery in college.

Speaker 4 Went on

Speaker 4 had a Hall of Fame career.

Speaker 4 Like I said, Wad had microfracture. Bruce Smith, if I'm not mistaken, had microfracture.
They played another eight, nine years.

Speaker 4 Penny, and it was downhill after that. Go ahead, Ocho.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think about some of the injuries, man, to some of some of our greats. Some of our greats were me, where they weren't able to finish their story.

Speaker 4 Penny Hardaways,

Speaker 4 the Peter Wards, Brandon Rose,

Speaker 4 Grank Oden. There we go.

Speaker 4 Like so many dudes, and

Speaker 4 I wish technology was a little bit more advanced when they were playing better every year.

Speaker 4 So they could finish their careers the way they should have because injuries have robbed us to some great stories, huh? Gail Sarah. Some great unfinished stories.

Speaker 4 Because you know, back then, Ocho, they did that big surgeon. They split.
You had everybody.

Speaker 4 I remember when I first got into the league. The big scar.
Yeah, that big scar right down the middle, that big zipper. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But now the technical incision is so small, they done got the way they could, they take part of your patella tendon and repair it. They do cadavers, they do, man, technology, medical

Speaker 4 modern medicine has improved so much.

Speaker 4 I mean, normally, if you had a McKeeley's, that was a death sentence. You had an ACL, that was a death sentence.
Now, anymore, guys come back stronger, better than ever. Like, hold on, definitely.

Speaker 4 Just look at Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis had three ACL surgeries and came back and played 15, 16 years, went to the Pro Bowl, was, I think a first or second team all pro

Speaker 4 man? It was, you know, when you look at it, Ojo, it's uh,

Speaker 4 but to watch him, because I'm old enough to remember, I remember him at Memphis. I remember him going to uh to uh Orlando because they made the swap.

Speaker 4 They traded Chris Weber because Orlando got back-to-back, number one overall picks. And they ended up trading Chris C.
Webb.

Speaker 4 He ended up going to go, if I'm not mistaken, think good goes to Golden State, and then Orlando swaps out, and they get Penny.

Speaker 4 That thing was something of beauty. That was a thing of beauty.

Speaker 4 What could have been?

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Speaker 4 Oh, Joe. Huka Nakua was asked who the GOAT is on the Monroe St.
Brown podcast. Oh, it's the St.
Brown podcast, but let's take a listen to what he had to say. Okay.
So, LeBron's the go-to. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, can you tell my brother why he's better than Kobe and Jordan? He's 6'8. Okay.
He's 260. That's fine.
He plays the one through five. He's not playing the five.

Speaker 4 He's not guarding a center, but go ahead. He's gone to three, three different organizations and won.
Everywhere he goes, he's had a new coach that he's taken to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 Coaches don't matter that much in basketball. Keep going.
Who is the only coach Michael Jordan won NBA championships? He had one coach.

Speaker 4 Joe Jackson. Coaches don't matter.

Speaker 4 He played with other guys. He wasn't always six years in 91 to 98 in the NBA, bro.
He played 15 years, bro. Like, there's a toy where he was getting bounced in the first round.

Speaker 4 Directly in the finals. When he was 21, and College LeBron was carrying his team to the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 Year four, carrying Zagowskis to the NBA Finals, bro. Like, LeBron's better.
He has better, but it's

Speaker 4 just for another time, bro. Like, you have nothing to say, bro.

Speaker 4 There's no conversation. It's Jordan.
Jordan's the noest nine, bro. Anyways, we'll move on, bro.
You can't talk basketball. You guys are done with basketball.

Speaker 4 Hey, listen, listen.

Speaker 4 When it comes to stuff like that, when it comes to topics and conversations about who the GOAT is in different sports, I think it also comes down to preference because then often you talk to people like you, Unk, who can get very detailed and bring up numbers and use statistics and opinions and not opinions, but actually facts to support your claims on who the GOAT is.

Speaker 4 Now, when you do that, obviously LeBron runs away with it. But then I hate the comparison.
And, you know, comparison is a thief of joy. Yes.

Speaker 4 When you talk about your Kobe Bryant, you talk about your Michael George, you talk about your LeBron James. We talk about some of

Speaker 4 the greatest to ever play the game. And at that point, it becomes preference regards to what they've done, regardless to accolades, regardless of how many rings you have.

Speaker 4 It comes down to preference. When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi.

Speaker 4 you know who's the best it comes down to preference because you can nitpick and bring up numbers and bring up trophies and all this other stuff but when you look at the greatest and what they've been able to accomplish and they're so far ahead of everybody else that played the sport, there have been thousands and thousands of basketball players.

Speaker 4 There have been thousands and thousands of soccer players, but these two are the Mountain Rushmore that have played the game in the history of the game in general.

Speaker 4 I mean, I just, I hate the comparison. Yeah.
You know, how about we just enjoy what they were doing their time? That's too easy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, Joe. Details have emerged of T.
Higgins' deal with the Bengals. Nothing is guaranteed.
Nothing in 2025 is guaranteed.

Speaker 4 However, a $20 million roster bonus is earned five days after Higgins put pen to paper. The only true full guarantee at signing is a $10 million 2026 off-season roster bonus.

Speaker 4 The Bengals have a practical matter, a year-to-year option that can pay him $35.9 million for the 2025 if he dresses for every game and earns $2 million per game roster bonus.

Speaker 4 And they can move on before the 2026 base salary become fully guaranteed. It's not guaranteed for injury.
Because the $10 million guaranteed

Speaker 4 2026 roster bonus has offset language. They likely owe him nothing if they were to cut him after one year since he'd likely make more elsewhere.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Man, listen, one thing about it, that language, that language always gets tricky, boy.

Speaker 4 That language that they put in there, it always gets tricky. And the way you just said it, listen,

Speaker 4 oh, man,

Speaker 4 I don't even know what to say. He wanted to, I don't even know.

Speaker 4 I'll help you out. He wanted to be there because this is a bulljo contract.
You know it. That's why you speechless.
Yeah, I just, listen, listen, man.

Speaker 4 He wanted to be there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, listen, I mean,

Speaker 4 I bet I hate that.

Speaker 4 I can't be mad at him, Mocho, because that's his decision. He wanted to be there.
He wanted to play with Joe. He wanted to play alongside Chase.
That's the only team.

Speaker 4 That's the team that drafted him, and he felt some sort of loyalty. But everybody that heard what I just read, y'all know that contract is bulljove.
Yeah. But that's what he wanted.

Speaker 4 So I can't, I can't. Oh, Joe, we can't be mad.
That's not us.

Speaker 4 I don't know who your attorney was, but my agent would have never let me sign this contract.

Speaker 4 Oh, I had Drew. I had the shark.

Speaker 4 I had Drew. I had Drew.
I had Drew. But listen, I'm going to be happy for him.
Regardless of what's in that language, the band is back together. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't like the business side of things, Uncle.

Speaker 4 That's why I was so passionate about it from, you know, when we were talking about it, when I was on ESPN, when we were on here, you know, we talked about it. I was upset.

Speaker 4 I didn't like the first time they tagged him. I told you because to me, it was a slap in the face.

Speaker 4 Now, for the people that are part of the Bengals organization, the people that are fans of it, I understand the business side of things.

Speaker 4 That's the side I don't like because when you tag me, they let me know you don't value me long term.

Speaker 4 You know what? Normally, when the team tags you, you know what? We betting against you, even though you're a part of of us. I'm betting against you.
That's what it tells me. Again, I love my Bengals.

Speaker 4 I love the fans, but the nature of the business is the one part I do not like, which is why I played the game like a little kid, because I want to make sure I kept it

Speaker 4 for me.

Speaker 4 So I didn't have to worry about that side of it. Because that side of it, it gets nasty.

Speaker 4 Read what you just wrote. Chat, you just heard it.
I don't like that side of things.

Speaker 4 i like the fact that the band is back together i like the fact that he got his money now with the language that i just heard ain't no telling what's gonna happen yeah ain't no telling what their plans are after this season

Speaker 4 so

Speaker 4 i'm gonna leave it at that i ain't gonna say no more i'm just happy my dog got his money you hear me got some money

Speaker 4 he got some money yeah but like i said ocho i i

Speaker 4 For me, I can't be mad.

Speaker 4 Yes, sir. Because

Speaker 4 that's his decision. And at the end of the day, the agent can put forth as like, okay, this is what they're offering.
This is what we're going to counter back at. Hopefully we, you know, this is here.

Speaker 4 They're here. We're here.
Hopefully we land here.

Speaker 4 Because, you know, you want to try to pull somewhere to the middle, Ojo. But at the end of the day, this is T's decision.
Because at the end of the day, the agent works at the behest

Speaker 4 of the player. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Team has their negotiator. Player has their negotiating.
You get in.

Speaker 4 I don't want to to hear anything because, you know, a lot of times the agents shield you from all the negative stuff they're playing.

Speaker 4 I promise you, they're saying a lot of what people are saying. He's a number two.
He's not a number one. Blah, blah, blah.
Rock is shielding him for that. But hey,

Speaker 4 hey, they said, look, they want to pay you. We're just trying to get to a number that

Speaker 4 they can digest and it fits under the cap while giving you the money

Speaker 4 that they feel you deserve. Right.
While being able to go out and get other players also. So I get it.

Speaker 4 Like I said, I believe T wanted to be there. T gave them a discount.

Speaker 4 Chat, like I said, Ocho and I don't really need to add anything else about that because at the end of the day, this was T's decision.

Speaker 4 And at the end of the day, Ocho, it comes down to T.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 listen, we got to get it done. Long, he's happy.
I talked to him. He's happy.
You know what you get. You got one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, top three, right now.

Speaker 4 You know what you get. But we got to get it done.
Yeah, I, I, I, we, we, we, I literally, I'm literally, I'm talking about, we got to get it done. Well, you, you, come out there.
You're a bingo fan.

Speaker 4 I mean, look, you played there. There's a sense of loyalty because you played there.
You played there for a better part of a decade.

Speaker 4 And so a lot of your roots, people associate you with being a bingo. Yeah, you had the one year in in in in New England and other things.

Speaker 4 That's not where they associate you. Nah.
They're not with that. They're not.
You didn't have a career. It's funny.
It's like,

Speaker 4 I ain't never seen anything like this, but people associate Peyton Manning with the Broncos, even though he played the largest part of his career. Oh, Joe, it didn't.

Speaker 4 He did Indy. He played 14 years, if I'm not mistaken, in Indy.
He played four years in Denver. And more people, he lives in Denver.

Speaker 4 His home base is in Denver. Yeah.
You see him talking

Speaker 4 about Denver. You see him at the Denver games.

Speaker 4 The only time I've seen him go back to an indie game, and Chad, y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, is when they put the statue outside of him in front of Lucas Oil.

Speaker 4 Other than that, Peyton's at the Bronco game.

Speaker 4 Hey, whoa, hey, Matt, speaking of, hey, I got a question. Yes.

Speaker 4 I want me a statue out there in front of Pay Course Stadium. They ain't got nothing to do with me.

Speaker 4 I know it don't got nothing to do with you. How much do you think it costs for me to put it out there? They ain't gonna put it out there.
I mean, we. I'm gonna put it out.
Hold on.

Speaker 4 I'm gonna put it out there. I'm gonna pay for it and just put it out there.
That's private property. Huh? That's private property.

Speaker 4 who who property belongs to uh mike brown

Speaker 4 what man i am part of the family let me tell you something if i if i had a knife right now and i was a cut if i was the if i was to cut my wrist right now

Speaker 4 you know what color you know what color i believe

Speaker 4 black and orange chocolate black ass

Speaker 4 matter of fact hey mike brown troy katie duke tobin i'm going i'm gonna wait till everybody's going in the middle of the night I'm going to put my own statue out there about eight foot tall,

Speaker 4 eight foot tall with me, with me toe tapping on the sideline. I think the people of Cincinnati would love it.

Speaker 4 Man, Denver, we got a monument park where all the guys that have their numbers, like not numbers retired, but have their name up in, you know, in the ring of fame. Yeah.
You're in the park.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 I don't want to be in the park. I want to be right outside the stadium.

Speaker 4 Like, you could come by, you can root, you can rub, you can rub, rub, rub my head or something for good luck before you go into the game.

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