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it seems like we got the uh the the mayor just joined us. It's time to welcome.
His birthday was yesterday. He's celebrated, so happy belated birthday.
He's the co-owner of the iconic Smash Burger joint, Trill Burger. And I follow him, and I think he just opened up another one, Trill Burger.
Bun B,

what'd it do?

Hey, hey, what's going on, gentlemen? What's going on? Thanks for having

the old man on here.

Bun, what's up?

Baby, what's good? I see you. I see you shining

over there.

You know I got a little lotion on. That's all

it is. A little lotion.

Let's kick it off with this.

Bun, when did you come up with the idea to start

Trill Burger? I didn't come up

with the idea. The idea was brought to me by two mutual friends of mine.
One that I knew in a previous career as a clothing line designer and the other I knew in a previous career as a podcaster for the Texans. They both moved into new paths.
One becoming a restaurateur, the other becoming a marketing and promotions manager of restaurants. So the restaurateur, Andy Wynn, came up with an idea for Smashburger, but Smashburger phenomenon was already moving on the West Coast.
He's from California. He saw the trend starting to move east, and he was like, if I don't catch it by Texas, I'm going to miss the whole Smashburger trend, but I don't have as strong a brand out there.
I need someone to partner with. And my other friend, Nick Scurfield, was like, well, I know Bun has had a food blog for many years called YouGottaEatThis.com.
Go check us out. And he was like, I know Bun's been looking for an entry point into the culinary space.
I didn't want to do a full restaurant because there's so many different menu items and there's so many different ingredients that you have to stock. And a lot of things you lose if people don't come in and buy that shrimp in a day or two, that shrimp starts to go bad by day three and you lose it.
A lot of stuff gets lost. You know what I'm saying? But this was a very refined, very simple concept.
I went and met up with him. I tried the burger, and I thought not only was it one of the best burgers I'd ever had, I thought it was one of the best meals I'd ever had.
The flavor combination is incredible. Anybody that's ever had it will tell you they may have had good burgers, but no one has ever done with a hamburger what we've done.
And what I mean by what we've done is we care about it more than I think other people care about a burger. Most burgers are afterthoughts.
You know, something like I got 30 minutes for lunch. Where can I go and get something real quick? Oh, man, I left this club.
I'm full of this liquor. I got to try to soak it up with something.
You got to absorb that thing. You got to absorb it, bud what I'm saying but we found a real sweet spot man you know we found a way to not only introduce a better product into the public but also for me personally a way to transition my cultural equity that I built up in the entertainment industry into the culinary industry in a way that I can capitalize off of it a lot better than I could in the music industry because of the contractual agreements that I signed at a very young age.
And with this, I was able to own everything outright with my partners. There was no investors as it was with the record company where you take that advance up front.
We did all of this out of pocket. We continue to do it out of pocket.
We don't take any money out of the company so that the company can grow, be self-sustained, so we don't need investors. We don't need finances from anybody.
We just try to build something that we believe will last longer than we will. I like that.
I want to go back with it being your birthday. You turn a young...
You're getting younger. Listen, your recent birthday bonanza at Houston Rodeo, obviously it featured a diverse lineup, man.
You had Keith Sweat, Don Toliver, Yolanda Adams. What inspired you to blend hip-hop, R&B, and gospel for this event? You know, we've done a lot of different lineups with my shows at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
Last year was the first year that they'd ever had two full rap nights. One was my night and one was with 50 Cent and his tour.
And it kind of started to get away from what the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo, as far as Black Heritage Day, has always been. And that's been a very inclusive evening that was always family friendly.
And with some of this rap music, it can get away from being a family friendly environment very quickly. And so the rodeo was like, well, we would love to reset the bar.
Like we appreciate what your hip hop contributions and all of the talent that you brought to the stage have done for the rodeo, but we think we need to reset the bar because if we don't, we're going to lose the demographic.

And that was the problem with the rodeo before was that the rodeo had aged itself out.

The rodeo did not bring in hip hop and younger music in a timely manner.

So they started to age people away from the rodeo, younger people.

And when I say younger, this may sound crazy, but when I say younger, I mean like 50 and under. Right.
Right. There was nothing that was catering to them.
Nothing in popular music was catering to them. Nothing in popular culture was catering to them.
And so there became a concerted effort to try to make sure that the people on stage reflected the diversity of the city of Houston, which is arguably the most diverse city in America right now. There's over a hundred spoken languages and so many different cross-culture things happening in the city.
And so we did a good job of diversifying it, but at the same time, you don't want to leave people out. And I can tell that if we did one more show that was rap-centric, my mama wasn't going to want to come no more.
And most people's mama wasn't going to want to come no more because it can be a little much the way people dance to it. I get it.
There's an energy and we want to bring energy and entertainment, but we don't want to do that and make sure that other people don't give service. Isolate others.
Absolutely. You know, my mother comes to the rodeo, my siblings, my wife's siblings, our children, our nieces and nephews, and now our grandchildren all come.
So I got to, I wanted to make sure that I got something there for my mama and my wife's mother that they can relate to things that we can relate to my children and my grandchildren. So that's why you get a keep sweat for us.
You get a Yolanda Adams for the older, more Christian grandmothers and aunties and whatnot. And you get a Don Tolliver for a younger artist.
Coco Jones for a younger artist. You know what I'm saying? And then, of course, for my base, you know, Luda T.I.
You know, we hit them right in the chest with that hip-hop. So we want to make sure that when people come down, because now it's become a tourist attraction.
There's literally a number of people that come down for this thing now. And I want to make sure that they get something.
Anytime you know the Triple OG Bun B is on it, you know it's going to be big. And you know he's going to do right.
He's going to do right by H-Town because the H-Town down. He born and bred.
He believe in that. And I love that.
But I love the fact that the rodeo came to you and said, we really appreciate it.

But let's not get too far away from what we intended the rodeo to be.

Because while we're bringing in one demo, we're losing another demo.

How can we blend these demos together and grow it?

So they still come.

More of you guys still come.

And guess what?

We expand this thing.

And a lot of people didn't really understand it because, you know, I don't tell everybody who's coming. I typically keep about two or three surprises to entertain people on the spot.
So when I was saying, hey, I got Don Tolliver, and I got Keith Sweat, and I got Coco Jones, and I got Yolanda Adams, people don't see how that mix is in the room. People don't see how those genres blend together, and people really didn't understand the vision.
We knew what we were doing the whole time. Yolanda Adams was specifically brought in to be a part of the In Memoriam program, where we honored all of the legends that had fallen in.
We thought it was good to have some praise in the room. I feel very blessed to have this opportunity.
I've done this four times. I've sold over 300,000 tickets in just four shows.
We're averaging 74,000 people every time we've done this. So it's been a beautiful opportunity, not just for me, for my family, for my business.
I've been able to pass it on to other people that grew up in Houston, dreaming of doing the rodeo. Now they've actually been able to do it.
I grew up at a time where, you know, you didn't even think that somebody that did hip-hop music would even be on that stage and now we exist where i live as an example to the next generation maybe one day i can do the rodeo like bun b you know what i'm saying so we understand we understand how deeply this thing resonates with so many different people and we don't want to let people down especially right now i don't want to seem like I'm leaving people out of something because this world is so divisive right now. And things are not really as inclusive.
And I don't think people understand no culture is more inclusive as black people because black people understand what it's like to be left out. So we don't want people left out of a good time.
You know what I'm saying? And we know that you don't need a bunch of money to have a good time. So we try to make entertainment as authentic and realistic and approachable as possible for people.
And I think we've been able to do that with the rodeo. Hey, bud, you know, we've been making stuff out of nothing with no money for the longest time.
We don't need no money. So when I get $5, it's a party party.
Hey, for sure. Hey, we had one of our hood parties, $20.
Hey, we got the block lit.

You know what I'm saying?

But let me ask you this.

When you were growing up, did you go to the rodeo when you were growing up?

Yeah, that was my first concert ever.

That's a big inside joke about it.

The first concert I ever went to was Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn when I was three years old. When I feel like Conway Twitty.

The whole other story was Loretta Lynn.

Yeah, my mom had gotten a car wreck and a man had hit her. And she was very nervous because this was in the 70s.
You know what I'm saying? She's a black woman by herself in an accident with a white man. She just knew, for example, that she would be at fault.
But the police came. He told the police it was my fault.
She did nothing. He took care of everything.
And then he asked her, would you like some tickets to go to the rodeo when the rodeo come?

And she said, sure.

And she gave him my information and address.

And she never thought nothing of it.

And a couple of weeks later, the tickets showed up.

And so they took the family to the rodeo.

And that was my first concert, my first time ever being in the Astrodome.

You know what I'm saying?

And it left a lasting memory on me.

Like one of my first musical memories is the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo concert. And just, you know, over the years going every different time, my wife shares these kind of memories.
My wife saw Michael Jackson for the first time at the rodeo. You know, a lot of people have, you know, you can basically, you know, have a timeline of your life based on different experiences at the rodeo.
The first time you went as a youngster, the first time your parents dropped you off because it's literally the safest environment you can be in at the rodeo. So there was a time when you get 15 to 16, your mama would drop you off at the rodeo during spring break and you and your friends could hang out all night and then get picked up later because it was a safe thing.
You know what I'm saying? So it's been a part of many people's lives over the years. And now people actually have a real-time experience at the rodeo.
And not just for when I perform. We have like a 9,000-square-foot installation called Trill Town where we do the burgers.
We do our Trill tenders. We have merch, Trill lemonade.
We have a bar, you know, basketball goal for people who play little games, win hats, win merchandise.

So we've made it something that everybody that celebrates Houston culture can come in and feel comfortable.

I know that there are people from other races that feel funny trying to celebrate other cultures and mixed company because they're not allowed to be as free as they would like to be amongst some of their own people.

We provide a night where everybody can come and be who they want to be and nobody's going to look at you sideways because in order to enjoy it, you got to leave your prejudice at the dope. If you don't like white folks, you can't come because white folks are going to be there having a good time.
If you don't like black folks, you can't come because black folks are going to be having a good time. Straight folks, gay folks, Mexicans, Asians, everybody comes out and they're all having a good time.
So the only way you can enjoy is leave your bull stuff at the door.

And hopefully we believe that if people

have a good enough time with other people

of other cultures and make friends and learn things,

maybe they won't pick it up when they leave.

And they can leave their prejudices outside for help.

Man, that's live, man. Listen,

but when you're talking,

I can hear the passion and enthusiasm

in your voice, the way you're explaining everything. It's a new life.
Oh, Chuck, it's a new life for me. Oh, yeah.
Listen, you've always been vocal about social issues. You know, you've engaged in various, various community initiatives in Houston.
Man, what drives you still, you know, in your commitment to always give back to the community? And do you have any upcoming projects that you're excited about that you can

tell us?

We in Houston is entertainers,

athletes,

what have you,

we have a different relationship with the public as other places do.

I believe that there are lines that are drawn,

cultural lines,

neighborhood lines,

other things that come into play and other major cities in America, where people can't really bond in the way that we bond, right? Like L.A. has cultural lines.
It has neighborhood lines that some people can't cross. So that city can very, very seldom come together and unite.
Same thing with New York. Some people might be from Queens or Brooklyn or whatever.
In Houston, we had division maybe 25, 30 years ago between the North side and the South side. That doesn't exist anymore.
Everybody sees themselves as Houstonians, no matter who you are and where you come from in the city. Right.
So we've been able to build a connection with people that's different. People see us in the grocery store.
People see us in the mall. People see us in restaurants, at car washes, in the gym.
We're very visible and we're very approachable and very personable. So people feel like when they buy our music, they're not just investing in music, they're investing in people, they're investing in neighborhoods and they look at us as cultural exports.
Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you come to Houston, we don't brag about who the best Big E, Jay-Z, or Nas, we brag about who the best Slim Thug, Kiki, or Bun B. You know what I'm saying? Those are the kind of...
We have a lot of pride. You know, Texas has always been a self-sustained entity.
It was its own country. And so, we didn't have a felt fully embraced until very recently.
Everything we wanted, we had to make it on our own. Entertainment-wise, if you wanted to be a recording artist, a New York label or a LA label was probably not going to sign.
So you had to go out, you had to make relationships with wholesalers and distributors and record stores and radio stations and club owners and all of that and make your way. And we all had to do it.
So there's a common respect that we all have for each other because we all kind of had to progress that particular path in order to make it. But it's the people.
It's not just the artists. It's the people of Houston who don't look at us in that way.
Yeah, there may be somebody that's never seen me before and might be excited to get a picture. But if you roll with me through Houston for 12, 14 hours, you hear a lot of, what's up, OG? Hey, what's up, B? What's up? It's not a lot of, oh my God, oh wow, we don't put those kind of

walls up with people.

That's why the relationship with us is a lot

different, you know what I'm saying? Now as far as

projects, we are opening

the second store probably within

the next seven days, seven to ten days

the second location of Trillburg will be

open in Spring, Texas. We'll have two more

locations, but by the

end of the year, and I'm currently in Dallas

right now with the wife,

mainly, you know,

so my anniversary, my birthday is four days

in point, so I would never forget my anniversary.

That's live. You know what I'm saying?

That's what's up.

So we spent the daytime, we're on the anniversary,

letting us shop. We spent nighttime

with me going to my favorite restaurant.

There's a carbone here. It's the closest carbone I can get to in Houston.
That's my favorite restaurant. So we drove up here.
We did a little shopping. Went and did some dinner with a good friend of mine.
And, you know, I'm probably looking at some locations tomorrow right around Fresno and Plano and a couple of different spots. You know, looking for a location.
But we hope to be in Dallas and Austin by summer next year, if lucky.

Hey, what you think about Nightcap

at the rodeo next year?

Oh!

I think there's room to possibly

do it at my activation.

Okay.

I don't think many people understand

what the rodeo is. The rodeo is a

21-day event.

It is. I'm only one night of 21 nights of concerts that take place in the NRG stadium, the football stadium.
They average about 65,000-66,000 people a night. Easy.
So it's arguably the biggest music festival in the world that isn't promoted as a music festival could be talking about 21 concerts day after day after day in a football stadium right you know what i'm saying it's a huge undertaking now that being said my space my wife thought of the idea of bringing in a dj and a dj booth and some space up there so there is a stage now next year we can make it a little bit bigger okay hey we we can make it a little bit bigger. Okay.

Hey, we can make it a little bit bigger.

That way we can have one for y'all.

Yes, absolutely.

Ray, what do you think about Nightcap and Trill Time?

Two thumbs up.

That's what I'm talking about.

I appreciate that.

Oh, we're going to, hey, we're going to, hey, hey, hey, OG,

you know, we're going to circle back on this now. Do we real talk now? I'm open to it because I want to make it a bigger weekend for people.
We realize now that, and, you know, you look at the music, Boots on the Ground and all this other soul that's blowing up right now, that black cowboy country western lifestyle that has always existed is now in the forefront. And my weekend at the rodeo is becoming a big proponent of that.
You know what I'm saying? It gives a place that's big enough for everybody. Because a lot of black rodeos, unfortunately, are still smaller.
They're still growing. They got a lot of momentum and energy, but they're still growing.
They're still smaller. My rodeo is the largest rodeo in the world.
You know what I'm saying? So you wouldn't have a larger audience to cater to with that type of movement and motion. My wife brought in DJ Payme from South Carolina.
He's the biggest line dance and southern soul DJ in the country. And we had people, our space couldn't even hold how many people wanted to dance.
They were dancing in the street. You know what I'm saying? It's just such a great way for people to come together and commune.
That's what music has always been for people of color. It's always been a reason for us to get together and commune.
Domino's, playing cars, barbecue crawfish. Those are all excuses for us as a culture to come together and spend time together.
We don't even like each other, but if so-and-so, who doing the barbecue? Trey doing the barbecue. All right, I'll come.
Who cooking a potato salad? Misa doing a potato salad. All right, I'll show up for that.
It's an excuse for us to get together.

And so I'm

looking at that we built

something that now gives

people an entry point. If you don't

know about it, you haven't had any experience,

this is a very easy entry point

into this cultural representation. But for those

that know, oh, it's

the bat signal.

It's the bat signal.

We were getting where we couldn't

Thank you. this cultural representation, but for those that know, oh, it's the bad signal.
It's the bad signal. We were getting where we couldn't pay the bill.
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Energy Line with Nate and JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When you talk about this, man, I'm thinking about your plate, but your plate is full, man.
Your plate is full, man. Listen, your role as a musician, an entrepreneur, you're a community leader.
Man, how the hell you balance all these different facets of your career and what keep you motivated, baby? Because just listen to it. This is a lot.
It is. It's a lot.
I think everybody here on this knows that God doesn't give you more than you can handle. You just got to figure out how to handle it, right? Yes.
I have an amazing support system. I have a beautiful, strong black woman as a wife in my corner.
And the reason I've gotten this far is not because I know it all or I can do it all. My wife refuses to settle for a lesser version of me.
So when she knows I'm not going all the way in and not giving my 100%, she'll hold me accountable. Wow.
You know you can do better than that. You know you're supposed to be doing more than that.
There'll be a lot of times I want to phone it in. I'll be like, man, I just want to stay home.
Now, why would you do that knowing you told them people you was going to come? You know, my wife, I can't do it. My wife knows, my wife believes, has always believed in my greatness.
And when I don't live up to it because she talks about it, she holds me accountable. So I go out and do the rodeo and all that.
And the next day I got to come home and put the trash out. You know, I got to pick up stuff in the garage.
I got to make sure I don't leave the kitchen light on. All those things.
We have moments where we are very blessed. And we get to see the world and travel the world and do all of that.
But every other day, man, we are a family trying to exist, making sure our children, our grandchildren are okay, that we got a good home that's comfortable for us to live in. All I got to do is give her a house that she going to make a home out of.
That's not even a question. See? You heard what he just said, huh? You see what I'm talking'm talking about? Yeah.
Now, see, what I've been telling you now,

but I'm trying to get him to settle down,

but I'm trying to get him to find my wife

because, listen, the way you're talking,

the way you're explaining things,

it shouldn't be hard after hearing what you just said.

But she got to keep up with him, though.

That's the thing.

Yeah.

She got to keep up with him.

He got to find a woman that's so busy,

he get jealous.

Oh, hey, listen.

No, see?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, bun, we found one for him. He interviewed her not too long ago.
Wait till she ain't got no time for him. We're going to find out where he's saying that.
He's going to try to spend that money, spend that plane, plan that vacation, anything he can to spend time with that woman. When he start disregarding things he don't normally disregard, and them assistants start having to do things that he normally going to do, yeah, he got something on his mind.
He got something on his mind. Yes, sir.
I got one more question. I got one more question.
This is a good one. I'm sure a lot of people in the chat would love to hear this answer.
Because I definitely want to hear it. Who are your top five Houston rappers? Your, man.
Your top five. Your Mount Rushmore.
Now, I'm just adding the fifth. I'm going to make it five instead of four.
We're going to start with K Reno. K Reno is the OG of Houston rappers.
He's the height. He's the epitome of what Houston rap's foundation should have been built on.
So we had the right OGs to start it off for us. Obviously Scarface, one of the, not just one of the best writers and rappers in Houston, but just, I mean, arguably the best storyteller that hip hop has ever had.
Ever. Very few people.
I think only Tupac can really evade, convey emotion through words on a rap song and the way that Scarface does. When Scarface talks about death, you feel that loss when he talks about...
Oh, man. Yeah.
The phrase has a song called Suicide. And I'm talking about, I had never heard a song about somebody delving into the psyche of somebody that they thought was okay, but wasn't okay.
And then you start to question, making sure you're okay like this. So the depth of star faces of writing talents and mentality, man, have been criminally underrated in, in the world of hip hop.
Um, I think number three, you got to go Willie D and Willie D has been about Willie D is the prototype.

Like Willie D is the type of person that when you think of a Houston rapper meeting one in a dark alley,

Willie D is who you project.

You know,

that's somebody that,

you know,

has stood on all 10 toes constantly,

consistently,

and still does.

The fun thing about watching Willie D one,

he loved the culture just as much as he always had. And two, he bought that just as much as he's always been.
There's certain things that you can, you can count on and Willie D being about that life is absolutely one of them. He still leads by example and he still makes us proud to be from Houston and knowing that, you know, whatever you say in this world, you better stand on it.
Cause with some people, it might be a fight with it. Right.
You know what I'm saying? Number four. Number four, I might have to go out on a limb here, man.
I may have to go out on a limb with this one. I don't know how everybody's going to feel about this.
But I think Gangsta Nip may be one of the best rappers from Houston. And I'll tell you why.
The only reason that people really didn't get into Gangsta Nip is because of the subject matter. He did a lot of horrorcore.
You know, he wrote stuff for Bushwick and a lot of his stuff was a lot of music existed in this world of horror and gore and all of that type of stuff. Friday the 13th.
All of that type of stuff. But his flow in the mid-90s, in the early 90s, I mean, it was some of the best rapping I've ever seen and done in my life.
And number five, I'm not going to put Pimp here because I feel like Pimp supersedes a lot of things in this argument. I'm going to go with Killer Collione.
I don't think anybody wants to be the best rapper in Houston more than him. I don't think anybody takes the art of lyricism as serious as he does.
Now, we got people that got a lot of motion. Max O got motion.
Megan has got motion. Travis, OT, Walker.
There's a lot of people from Houston, young artists up and coming talent that have Motion and have fan bases and are really making major moves. But when we talk about just rap rapping, like rapping and looking in the motherfucking face and meaning what you say when you rap this stuff, I don't think anybody conveys that more to Killer Collier.
I think Killer Collier could potentially be the best lyricist to ever come out of the city of Houston. He just got to, the problem is he got too much respect for his predecessors, and I feel like in some form or fashion, as a competitor, at some point, you can respect the goat and still want to beat the goat at the same time.
Right. I like it.
I I'm going to get him to wake up one day and say, man, F all that, man. F Bun B and all of them.
I'm going for the top. And that's when it'll be the best.
Von, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Which Houston team are you most excited about this year? Your Cougars, your Rockets, your Texans, or your Astros? Now, that's a great question.
That is a great question.

It's always easy to be excited about the Cougars because at this point,

that's a program that does this as far as basketball.

That men's basketball team does this at this point.

They've gone into the last four marches being heavily favored.

They've made it to the eighth at least two, three times.

I know the last two years for sure.

I think they got a great chance of going all the way this season.

But at this point with that program, that's to be expected.

These Astros are going through transition, right?

We lost Bregman.

That was a hometown hero.

We love Alex Bregman.

You know, as we lost Correa, we lost a couple other guys.

But we always bring in young talent.

That's been a great thing about this Astros organization that the Cranes have always brought in and nurtured young talent. They draft well and they build talent up.
They don't look to just go out and try to buy a player. They're about winning several.
They're not about winning this year. They want to win several years.
They've tasted it. They know what it takes to get there and they believe they can do it, but they're still in a little bit of rebuilding right now.
Lost a couple of pitchers, got McCullough's back. So we're going to figure it out.
They're a perennial playoff team, right? But it's going to take more this year to get to that final step than I think it has over the last two or three seasons. The Rockets, I mean, my goodness, look at this young team.
You talk about a talented young team. Tillman has done a great job of being like, you know what? We just got to start over.
Like, we're not one or two players away. We're a team away.
But I mean, he put this team on his shoulders of green. Jalen is an amazing talent.
I think he's a great leader. I think Thompson is a problem.
I think he's a beast on that team. I really think.
Oh, I haven't got to him. It took a while to figure out how to say his name.
It took a while to figure out how to say his name. But, hey, we got the promise with that young boy.
And this is my thing. I understand that he grew up in the game of fundamentals, right? But he playing with some dogs.
I watched him the other day try to do a behind the back pass. He almost had it.
They teach him that black top ball, right? They don't have to teach him fundamentals. He know how to pass and all that.
They teaching him black top, no look passes in the paint. When he finds that step, that boy is going to be a real problem.

But I say all that to say, this team has everything.

And, man, Udoka.

That was a steal.

He's the right coach.

He's the right coach for the young team.

That was a steal.

And I understand why he couldn't stay where he was,

but I'm so glad he's where he is.

Brichetti.

That's a triple?

And the city loves it because they get to see me every now and then, so the city love that. Yeah.
But them Texans. Man, man, them Texans.
I think in two, three years, man, I think they're going to be the ones to beat, man. It could happen in the next two years.
This team is building a strong structure. D'Amico knows exactly what he wants.
The organization isn't scared to spend the money to give him what he wants. And they're so embracable of the local culture.
They do collaborations with local artists, and they bring in different talent to perform at the games. They allow me to bring my burgers into the stadium.
They're doing everything they can to be as Houston-centric an organization as they can be. They're putting the money where it needs to go.
They're trying to strengthen that O-line. I know everybody wasn't crazy about losing Tunsil, but I can understand organizationally why they feel they needed to go in another direction.
I hear there were locker room problems. There were a ton of penalties, right? A lot of things going on, and I just think they were growing in a different direction.
I think that they supplemented the defense absolutely. They're probably going to have to draft a little more to tighten up that O-line, because they've got to protect CJ.
They've got to protect CJ by all means. I like the Kirk signing.
I like bringing Christian Kirk in. I think he's a fast young player.
He's got some good talent. He definitely got hands.
And CJ can hit him in stride, you know? Yeah. Because I knew we probably weren't going to keep Diggs another season.
I don't think we were going to keep him another season. So they had to start thinking receiver, receiver, receiver.
Tank had his surgery. He's a young guy.
I think he'll recover quickly. I honestly think Tank will be ready by game one

of a 25-26 season.

But I think the Texans are

a team that everybody has got to circle their

calendar dates when they play that team.

That defense is only getting better.

I'm curious to see what the new O.C.

is going to do. I think that's going to be the

big test, is what the

new O.C. is going to be able to create

with C.J., but at least

they won't be as predictable in year

two as they were in year

Thank you. test is what the new OC is going to be able to create with CJ, but at least they won't be as predictable in year two as they were in year three as they were in year two.
Because year one was a lot of surprises. Year two, they pretty much tried to replicate the playbook and people saw it a mile away.
With a new OC, I think there's going to be a new approach. I think he's going to find a better way of working with these new offensive line.
I feel positive about what we're doing as a team. So I would put it in that order.
I would say Cougs, Astros, Rockets, and Texans. Four to one.
Yeah. That's live.
Triple OG, Bun B, bro, thank you for joining us. Congratulations on everything.
The Trill Burger franchises, the rodeo, your big staple in the community, what you do to uplift your community. We appreciate you.
We salute you here at Nightcap. Thanks for joining us.
We'll see you down the road. Absolutely.
Thank y'all for doing that drop for the rodeo for me last year, too. Yes, sir.
Always. No problem, Bo.
You know that. It's a good success.
We're going to find some space to put y'all in that trail town next year and come bring that nightcap. I really appreciate that.
In fact, hold on, hold on. Not only that, let me perform.
You know, I can sing, man. I think're breaking up.
Yeah, we are. Night of OG, appreciate that.
I love y'all, man. Thank y'all, brother.
Thank you, bro. Ocho, take off for a little while.
I got to use the bathroom. Oh, you got to go? You got to go? Hey, chat.
Hey, chat. Listen to me.
Chat real quick. Listen to me.
What y'all think about me at Rodeo in Houston next year performing? Now, there are many things I can do. I can dance.
I can sing. It could be gospel, R&B.
I can do hip-hop. There's so many different things I can do.
So I think me being a part of the Houston Rodeo, even though I have no connection, I have no Wi-Fi to the Houston culture, but they are accepting of me because I'm very likable. I'm very lovable.
And I think me being a part of that culture and what they have going on, it's a 21-day event. I could be part of all 21 days.
They got country. I know country music.
I can line dance. I can DJ.
Like there's so many facets that I can be part of when it comes to the Houston Rodeo. Chat, let me know what you think.
Let me know what you think. Outside of that, I'm excited.
I'm going to just tell you about my weekend. I don't know what y'all have planned coming up.
But tomorrow, I'm flying to New Orleans. I'm flying to New Orleans.
I'm going back to the Mahalia Jackson Theater in New Orleans. I'm going to see Alvin Ailey Dance Company.
I'm not sure about how many people in the chat know about Alvin Ailey Dance Company. I'm a huge, huge fan of the arts and dance, movies like Moulin Rouge, movies like Chicago.
I've been a huge fan of Alvin Ailey and Judith Jameson. Former artistic director Battle who's a friend of mine I don't think he's artistic director anymore but I'm going to see them I'm very very excited anybody in the chat if you've never seen Revelations if you've never seen all the pieces the Revelations by Alvin Ailey I I implore you to watch it maybe tonight on YouTube so you get a better understanding why I'm flying all the way to New Orleans to make sure I catch them live on stage.
I'm excited. Due to COVID, I haven't been able to see them in, what, three, four years, whatever it's been.
So I'm really excited about that. That's my weekend.
I wish I could see what you guys are doing this weekend. And that's pretty much it.
That's pretty much it. I'm excited for the rest of the runner show tonight.
I don't know what we're going to talk about. Other than that, that's it.
Chan and Cam, Chan and Cam, I just want to say hi. Hi to everybody.
Everybody in the chat, I love you love you Ash, hi Ash Thank you for allowing me to leave the show while Unk uses the bathroom And if he comes back too fast, that means he didn't wash his hands Hi Jacob Hi Nikki and Marv and Alexis and Christian And Yeah, that's pretty much it. Hi, Boost Mobile.
How you doing?

Hi, Doug and Ryan.

Who else?

Hey to all my exes.

I'm sure y'all are probably watching.

I'm sorry things didn't work out.

And yeah, that's pretty much it.

So chat, what else?

What y'all want to talk about?

Oh, you want me to sing? Oh, tell me what song you want me to sing right now. Tell me what song.
Wait, wait, wait. Won't they take away our monetization? No? Oh, so we're free and clear? Okay, give me a song right now, Ash.
I'm going to blow right now. Never too much with the band draws? Okay, let me know you're ready.
Oh, Joe. Okay, hold on.
Never too much, never too much, never too much. Never too much.
I can't fool myself. I don't want nobody else to ever love me you're my shining star my guiding light my love, my fantasy there's not a minute hour date Bucky Brooks interviewed Shadour Sanders during Big 12 Pro Day today I ain't gonna interrupt my song Bucky asked Shadour about the draft process so Also about what's essential, what he's essentially been a smear campaign against him.
His answer is what you expect from time. Son is definitely a learning experience.
There are a lot of things that aren't in your control and just getting the knowledge from your dad and you're just a coach, family, friends, and everybody, you know, that supporting me and helping me through this process is extremely important.

And I'm thankful that I have those resources.

We always understood. Block out the noise, even from Jackson State and Colorado.
It's a lot of critics. It's a lot of hate.
But we know what to do. We know how to handle that in every way.
So we remain happy. what do you

what do you take away from what

Shadour spoke to

Bucky Brooks about today? Listen, Prime has prepared Shador for this day for a very long time, huh? And he had the right person on his corner who also had to endure the same type of negative negativity in general from the media based on his style of play,

the way he approached the game, things that had nothing to do with his play would always

use it against him.

Shadour understands that.

He should understand that because everything he's talking about has nothing to do with

the game of football.

It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State.

It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State.

It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Colorado

despite the obstacles he had to overcome.

Despite having, you know,

inadequate play at the O-line,

still being able to complete 70% of his passes.

They don't talk about none of that.

They talk about the way an individual carries himself.

His swag.

The way he talks. Not about being in trouble nothing is talking about that ridiculous stuff oh showing off the watch so what it's all about having confidence it's all about having belief that's what it takes to play at the next level and be successful.
The fact that they use it as a negative says more about them than it does Shadur. And I hope he never changes.
And he continues to have success in all that he does. Wherever he goes, you want to get a player like that that's going to change your franchise around.
When someone comes out and says, I want someone to draft me that wants a player that's going to change their franchise, that's something you want in a quarterback. I know it's frowned upon a little bit to have one that's as brash and as vocal as that, but if you look at the film, you turn the film on, you know what you get.
it shouldn't be no problems at all yeah i'm sure time prepared him for this his dad prepared him for this he's been at this his dad has been at this for a very long time he's been in the spotlight since his days at florida state so he understands that there's a certain level of criticism that comes along um being the guy, with being a good, great

football player. He understands that.

Also, it comes along with being a quarterback.

And yeah, the objective

is, I think the thing is, Ocho, a lot of

times they try to tell you what you can't

do, but they never want to emphasize what you

can do. Bring me a guy

and tell me what can he do.

I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do.

That's my job as a coach, is to not put

him in a situation where he can't succeed.

Okay, you said he's not good

Thank you. guy and tell me what can he do? I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do.
That's my job as a coach, is to not put him in a situation where he can't succeed.

Okay, you said he's not

good on

read option.

Okay, why would I run his own read if that's not what he's

good at? I'm trying to put

my players in a situation where they can succeed.

That's what a coach's job is,

is to put a guy in a

position where he can succeed and get more out of him than the player thought he can get out of himself. It's going to be this.
I'm glad that he's doing a great job, as good a job, but he's not a robot, Ocho. He sees this thing.
I mean, he's on social media. He hears these things.
He's not a robot. He has feelings.
He has emotions. And so no matter how much you're like, oh, no.
Eventually, yeah, you hear it. You hear all the negativity that what they're saying.
It doesn't make it any easier. Now, your dad can tell you like, hey, son, this is blah, blah, blah.
But it doesn't make it easier, Ocho. I ain't trying to hear that.
This is supposed to be one. Look, if Chador is what we think he is and can become the player that we think he can, all that noise, that's all it is.
It's just noise. It should have no impact.
What somebody says about you, and your dad says, what you say about me is not what I think of myself. Yeah, absolutely.
I just hope he has the mental fortitude not to let it bother him. The fact that he's already been through it for so long, and he has prime as his father, I don't think it will.
Because I know a lot of people, when it comes to the media and the media jumps on you and they talk about you,

sometimes it gets to certain people.

It does.

But I think Shadour is built different.

Prime has been built different.

So I think he has a great understanding

to ignore it,

to block the noise out.

And when his time comes in April,

wherever he goes,

he shows up and shows the you-know-what out.

Mm-hmm.

Ocho.

I'm excited for him, man.

Look at that.

Hey, Chad.

Remember I told y'all I had that right there?

Throwback.

Throwback.

That's the original.

That's the OG.

Like Triple OG Bun B.

That's the Triple OG iPod. That's live's live that's the number 2 version this one holds 10,000 songs this one holds 1,000 songs y'all remember the iPad Touch iPod Touch and check this out that stuff might be worth something don't worry about it guess what it's supposed to be worth something with this plus 5200 wait come again? it's supposed to be this plus 5200 I'm just saying all your stuff is in good condition like main condition you could probably get a good price for it look at this OG you know what this is Ocho? That's the iPhone 9.
No, that's the original

one. I thought

it started with number 9. It started with number

1.

Oh, it did?

Y'all been with that?

Oh, that's crazy.

Hey, you know what you do?

Put saran wrap back in and pretend

like it's brand new. No, I ain't getting rid of it.

It ain't never been... You know how much money you can get for that? Somebody probably give me like five grand for it because it's the original one.
It ain't never been accurate. It ain't never been turned on.
It ain't never had no phone number. Ain't never had nothing.
And how much you said they can give you for it? Probably about $5,000. Well, there you go.
You go ahead and sell that one. No, they ain't got no D-T-O-I, it's mine.
You remember the Samsung? Samsung? Yeah, Samsung. That's a Droid.
I ain't never had no Android. Look at this.
That's the Galaxy Note. You ain't never had no Droid.
Oh, Galaxy Note. Hey, listen, I'll tell you one thing.
You ever text me in the turn green, I'm going to block you. I'm going to block you.
I got a little stuff. I got to show you all my phone.
I got about 17, 18 phones. Damn.
Yeah, because I keep them. I keep them.
DK Metcalf spoke to Marshawn Lynch about leaving Seattle and to play for the Steelers.

The grass is greener on the other side.

Ocho,

excuse me,

considering the Steelers doesn't have a quarterback,

how can he be so sure that the grass is greener on the other side?

I'm not sure,

but my grandma always said the grass is greener on the other side, I'm not sure, but my grandma always said the grass is greener on the other side depending on who's watering it. So now you got to hold on.
Now people are going to hold on to that clip now. They're going to go back to that clip.
Now it don't matter who the quarterback is. Now there are two different type of receivers.
There are receivers that need a quarterback to elevate their play, and there're receivers. It doesn't matter who that quarterback, their play will always remain at the highest level.
So now you get to show us which one you are, Brother DK. You know, I love you to death.
I love you to death and I hope what you say is right. The grass being green on the other side.
And a whole lot of wide receivers that can play through bad quarterbacks. DeAndre Hopkins might be the best one I've ever seen.
Oh, a quarterback carousel out this world. And then nothing changed.
Not an ounce of production. Chase Keenum, Hoyer, Brock Osweiler.
Obviously, he had Deshaun for that great stretch, and he and Deshaun was great, but it didn't matter to quarterback. D-Hop put up those numbers.
Yeah. Unbelievable.
And so we're going to find out, like you said, Ocho, we're going to find out if DK, what he said, that the grass is greener. Because, you know, look, I think the thing is you get upset, you spend time there, you ask for a contract.
They won't give it to you, but you had to go somewhere else and get it. But, you know, they traded.
Me, I don't get the trade. I don't get trading Sam Darnold because I don't believe Sam Darnold is a better quarterback than Geno Smith.
That's just me personally. And then you're like, you trade Geno.
You cut Lockett, you trade DK, now you bring in.

And great, I think it's the same coach that called plays.

I think Clint Kubiak is the OC.

He was in his ear in Minnesota, Ocho.

I know Clint when he was about this big.

His dad was my quarterback, and he's also my offensive coordinator, Gary Kubiak.

But the decision that they made in Seattle didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But guess what, Ocho? It don't need to make sense to me.
It just needs to make sense to them. Yeah.
Damn, man. Hey, listen.
I'm hoping it'll work out. And I'm thinking it is going to work out.
I like the dynamic duo. I like DK and George Pickens, you know? Yeah.
Hey, listen, two of my favorite crash-out receivers. Well, you know what's going to happen if they don't get the ball? Oh, they're going to get it.
They're going to get it. From who? Arthur Smith going to make sure they get it.
From who? They're going to make sure they get it. Well, why did he make sure George Pickins get the ball last year? Hey, man, listen.
You know they rolling covers to him. Now it's a different ball game.
It's a different ball game. Okay.
I hope you're right. I sure hope you're right.
Jake Paul just called out Anthony Joshua. I will effing beat Anthony Joshua.
Come on, man. Stop.
He doesn't have a chin. He has no skill.
And he's a stiff. Come on.
Come on. Come on, man.
I'm just telling what the man said, don't you? I didn't say it. You make it seem like I called out Anthony Joshua.
He said I'll beat Anthony. Yeah, listen.
There's levels to everything. I love Jake Paul.
I love everything Jake Paul has done. You know, in his own right, you know, in entertaining and, and finding a lane and space for what he loves to do.
And the passion, the passion and work and discipline that he's put into the sport of boxing and combat sports in general. But we talk about the elites.
We talk about the elites at their craft. It's not going to happen.
If I'm not mistaken, I think Jake Ford.

Tyson Fury, brother.

Tommy Paul, the closest person to.

Actually, yeah.

Tommy, you know, Tommy, if you want to challenge someone,

challenge someone with the one loss you have.

Take him out.

Yeah, he too big.

Anthony Johnson was too big for you. Way too big.
You're talking about 245? What does Jake Paul wear, Ocho? 210, 215? He might wear 220. I'm not sure.
But listen, again, I love Jake Paul. I love what he's done in his lane, in the sport, in combat sports and boxing in general.

But you're biting off more than you can chew.

You're biting off more than you can chew, man.

I love it, though.

One thing you do need in any things you do that he does have is confidence and belief in yourself.

Confidence and belief in yourself. It's no different than me feeling like I could beat James Harrison.
You know? It's no different. But you get money.
The thing with Jake Paul, he brings money. I mean, you saw what, $60,000? Showed up at what, $60,000? Watched Netflix.
I mean, I don't know whether it was $60,000 at Jerry World or how many, what, 300,000 watched Netflix.

All I know is that he bring eyeballs and people show up to watch him fight.

Maybe they show up to watch him lose,

but at the end of the day, they're paying money to get into the arena.

They're showing up.

They're showing up.

Listen, he's created himself and made himself the villain.

He's made himself the villain,

and the fact that everybody's tuning in to see him lose, he's in a great space and he's in the great lane. So what he's doing, he's doing it the right way.
He's doing it the right way. Yeah.
Ocho, a debate went viral on Twitter asking, should parents make their kids pay bills if they work a job? And the response went viral saying, I'm just going to say it. This is a big problem in the black community and we have to stop it.
A lot of parents need help with their bills. So they take the money from their kids and disguise it as teaching them responsibility.
And it's actually pretty effing ridiculous. Ocho, what do you think? You got to teach your kids responsibility at some point.
You have to.

I think if they're staying with you after the age of 18,

now if they're saving up, I wouldn't make my kids,

if they need to stay with me after the age of 18,

are you saving up to get yourself a place?

You have to have some sense of responsibility.

I'm not going to always be around.

So you're going to have to be able to be able to fend for yourself.

I can teach you how to fish. I can teach you how to fish I can teach you how to fish

So you know how to do it when I'm not around

Now if I do everything for you

And still coddle you

And have you up under my roof

And you're not having any type of responsibilities

And you go out there in the real world

You're going to be lost

We can't have that

We can't have that

We got to have some type of structure and discipline

and method on how things are to go

as a grown adult

you have to

but being under my roof and making sure

allowing you to save your money and get yourself together

until you're ready to go on on your own

and be an adult

start a family whatever it may be

I'm all for that

I'm all for that

I helped my grandmother with bills

but she didn't ask me to I just felt it was the right thing to do because I saw my grandmother struggling. I'm making money.
And so what? I'm going to continue to watch her struggle. Now, she's struggling trying to put food on the table for us.
She's struggling trying to put food, get clues on our back. So here I am.
I got a job and I'm not making a whole lot of money, but $10 was a lot of money back in the 70s. $20 was a lot of money back in the 70s.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
So, you know, I'm working two jobs. Hey, I mean, the first time I got a job, I was five years old.
I was walking behind the tobacco picker in the back of field. Uh-huh.
1973, 1974. And from that time, I started from walking behind the tobacco picker to carrying a row to doing that.
So I'm working 10, 12 hours a day doing that. Come home, shower, me and my cousin, we play basketball and then go catch chickens for another three, four hours.
So you make it. The chicken was a dollar a chicken, right? So we catching $8,000 to $12,000 a night.
That's $12. Now, you only count chicken between Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Because Friday was the last day. There is nothing going on on Saturday.
So you started, so they were going to be there. No, actually, Thursday was the last day.
Thursday was the last day. You didn't catch on Friday because they were off on Saturday and Sunday.
The truck that you caught Sunday, they were there for the crew. The plant was operational Monday through Friday.
So you caught Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And so, you know, hey, I'm bringing home $5 a day plus half a day on Saturday, $27.50.
Plus we catch $8,000 to $12,000 four nights a week. So I'm making maybe $60, but I'm working a ass load of hours.
Yeah. Okay.
Hey, listen, back then, you know how far you can stretch $60 back then? $60? So even if I didn't help on, guess what? I bought my own school clothes. Yeah.
There ain't a whole lot of eight, nine, ten-year-olds, 11-year-olds buying their own school clothes. Well, who else was going to get them? What the hell I was working for? Yeah.
I'm working, going to hold my money. I'm going to hold my money in my pocket.
I'm watching my grandma struggle. Man, please.
I got a question. Yes.
What kind of clothes you wore back then? Like Jordache? know you know Sears and Roebuck you know we had tough skins but hey then as I got older Lee jeans would end oh yeah you had Sergio Rigamento you did have yeah you had Levi's and stuff like IZON you had Pol Darksiders hold on did you did you ever have a pair of rules please tell me you had rules with a zipper on the side you know you know what rules are right kangaroos oh yeah yeah yeah yeah Walter Payton had kangaroos yeah you ain't had none of them no we had Chuck didn't have no kangaroos. No, we had Chuck Taylors.

You know, back then,

the Chuck Taylors,

the white,

you had the highs

and you had the lows.

But you had them

in all different colors.

They came in black,

they came in red,

they came in blue,

they came in green.

Yeah.

So, you know,

you got mainly,

I only had the white,

I had the highs and the lows

and I got a blue pair.

Right.

But, you know.

Hey, you know what's funny?

They go with everything. Yeah.
It don't matter what you put on. You wear the black pair, you don't want the white pair.
They go with everything. Yes.
And so, like I said, for me, and I get it. I mean, I can see her point.
I'm trying to teach responsibility, but I was teaching myself responsibility. Because my whole purpose, like, man, I see my grandma struggling.
She working that job, making $197 every two weeks. And she, you know, working in a nursing home, the very nursing home that she ended up living her final day, the last two years of her life.
Nah, man, I couldn't in good conscience. I could not in good conscience have money in my pocket and then have my grandma worried about, well, boy, I don't know how I'm going to pay this bill.
This, I don't know, you know, the phone. I don't know about the gas.
I don't know about the lights. Man, please.
So me, I took it upon myself. And that is still my responsibility to this day is to make sure my family is taken care of.
Right. But, you know, hey, my kids and their moms have done a great job helping them understand.
That's your daddy money.

Now, if he chooses to give you some, that's on him.

But y'all don't know, I owe you an education.

And I gave you the best education because all of you, for the most part, you didn't stay.

But you started out in private school and you had college paid for.

You got a car.

You left college with no debt, no student loans, no car loans.

Yeah. Now, anything I do after that, that's out of the kindness of my heart, but I don't owe you anything.
Now, hopefully you learned a lot from your mom and from your dad to be self-sufficient. Now, I'm not going to let you drown or at least you might think you're drowning.
I might let you take on some water. Yeah.
Matter of fact, you know, my baby, remember I told you, my daughter, my daughter at Prairie B&M, you know, she graduated. She graduated May 16th.
Wait, May 16th to May 17th. Remember what I told you she wanted for graduation? That G-Wagon.
So we had a conversation when I was with all the kids. I told her, I said, listen, she done made the Dean's List, the honor roll.
She done made everything. I'm like, well, listen, now what you want? Now you say you wanted a Mercedes.
What is it? So I'm thinking she's going to say G-Wagon. And she said, no, daddy, you know, I don't really want no G-Wagon.
I said, well, what happened? What made you change your mind? She said, I think it's too much. The maintenance.
Uh, I just, I just think I just want a starter. Just give me a seat 300.
I say, now we talking. Now we talking.
You want to, you want a white one? I could tell them, I could tell them to make your, your, your, your interior pink, you know, with the AK, stitched in the seat and all that. Oh, Joe, what happens when she got to get rid of it? You better hope she's selling it to another AKA.
Oh, man. What the hell are you talking about? Man, I know.
When we come to Ocho back then, guys used to get the headliner, get Gucci, get MCM. Oh, you remember that? Yeah, I remember that.
I said, well, you better hope, hey, get their initials black.

I said, you better hope you find another dude named Black that want to buy it.

Because I promise you, you're going to get the great cross the codes trying to sell it.

Syracuse football head coach Fran Brown has a policy that his players must save 40% of their NIL checks.

There's no way as a coach that I'm going to pay you a lot of money and then you're going to walk away from here with no money. Says during the upbringing in Camden, New Jersey, it could have been a difference in paying rent, keeping the lights on, buying food for siblings.
What'd you think? You like that, Ocho? Yeah, I like that. I like that because at some point, especially when you're that young, you know, kids, kids these days don't understand financial literacy.
They get the money, they spend the money, they have this, they have this mindset that, that worth and value is based on aesthetics and the accessories that you purchase. that makes you feel like you were greater than and make you worth or it makes you feel special

i i want kids to understand especially people in the chat there are a lot of players and

athletes today regardless of sport that they play make you worth or it makes you feel special. I want kids to understand, especially people in the chat,

that a lot of players and athletes today,

regardless of sport that they play,

they feel that they have to live way above their means based on the type of

money they're making.

People in the chat,

players that see this,

there is nothing,

I guarantee you and I promise you, there is nothing you can buy that holds more weight or value than your name alone. No.
Nothing. Nothing than the name that's on that birth certificate.
Because when you take off all that designer, all the jewelry, all the watches, that in itself is the value. It is.

Your car, your Lamborghinis, and your Rolls Royce, and your iced out

watch, and your chains, and all.

Man, that shit don't mean nothing, man.

Nothing. The true value,

can you get the same

reaction without the car?

Yeah. Without the clothes?

Without the jewelry?

Can you still pull the same chicks? That's your value. That's your real worth.
Can you still do the same things you do with all the accessories, aesthetics on when you don't have it on? Yeah, come on, man. Stop playing, man.
Oh, Joe, see, the thing is people like, I don't like money. I like freedom freedom freedom is what you get when you have money there are two different things some people just want money i want freedom hey financial freedom is a beautiful thing huh it absolutely is we look at listen we look at all the numbers.
We look at these huge, gargantuan contracts. Still to this day, the money keeps going up.
And one thing that has changed, when you look up statistically, the same amount of players are still going broke two years removed from the game, even though the money continues to rise. Yeah, that's absurd.
So all that's telling me the fact that nothing is changing from a financial standpoint because there's no structure and discipline when it comes to spending. Because our mindset is, well, if you give me more, I won't go broke.
Nah, you just spend more. But if you ain't got no financial discipline, it don't matter how much I give you because you're just going to keep on spending.
Exactly. The more you make, the more you'll spend because you're like, oh man, I got this.
I got this now. I can do this.
Hey, it goes so fast, man. It goes so fast.
Before you look up, you got an entourage. You got an entourage.
You, you, you, you the golden goose. You got to feed everybody else.
You go shopping, now you got to buy everybody

else something. You go to the club, you spending

$40,000, $50,000 in a section buying

bottles. You got a bunch of chicks

trying to impress them

for what? For what?

They done Googled how much you making. You ain't got

to do nothing. Your name alone gonna get you

the woman you want anyway.

They gonna deal with you based off a name alone.

Man, what are we doing?

Hey.

Man, stop playing.

Last segment of the evening.

Q and A.

Man, hey, you just got me hot, man. That little combo, man.
Golly, man. Cupcake Mama, it was nice to see you today in Charleston.
Don't drink, but I wanted to support you as well as give my soon-to-be ex-husband a nice parting gift. Cupcake Mama, thank you.
That was very, very nice of you to show up and support. All of Charleston showed up.
And she also said, Shannon, you and Ocho should do a cognac cigar tour. Call it Cognac Swirl and Smoke Curls.
Cognac Swirls, Smoke Curls. If you guys could find the time, being that both of you are extremely busy.
We are.

But I want to thank everybody in Charleston and Mount Pleasant.

It was North Charleston and Mount Pleasant.

Guys that showed up, and we ran out at one place, Ocho, and a lot of the people, like,

hey, and I took pictures with them, and I said, I apologize, even though it was not my

fault.

Right.

They ended up going to the place in North Charleston, and we greatly, greatly are. West Charleston.
It's West Charleston, right? West. And I really appreciate that.
So, guys, thank you again. And Charleston, Mount Pleasant, all you guys that came up, came out and showed out.
This tour has been unbelievable. Atlanta, you were great.
Savannah, you were exceptional. Baltimore, you hit it out of the park.
Charleston, knocked it out of the park. Connecticut, Hartford, Chicago, Miami.
Man, Houston, thank you, thank you, thank you. Trey Brisbane, what's up, Uncle Nocho? Big fans of the pod.
Thank you for coming out in Charleston today, making it a memory of a lifetime for me and my brother. Can't wait to see y'all in Charlotte in July.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Thank you for supporting. Thank you guys for coming out.
Bamgall. Hey, Shannon, I'm so excited to see you in Pula, Georgia.
Thank you so much for the cherished memory and the tasteful liquor. Tasteful liquor.
See young. Bro, thank you so much, man.
I thank you guys. I can't thank you enough for coming out and showing that level of support that you gave me today.
Dr. Frankie L.
Bellamy, I hope you had fun in South Carolina today. Ocho, I've been seeing your videos, horseback riding tennis, et cetera.
Are you trying to join Yellowstone and the U.S. Open at the same time? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I'm trying to do everything.
I'm trying to diversify my portfolio and do as many things as possible. Me, myself, and I said ESPN kept Caitlin Clark out of the top five women college ranks because of no championships.
A championship is a team, not an individual. Correct? Why is this still happening to her? What the F did she do wrong? That's just the way it is.
I mean, if you go back and look at it, what player didn't win a championship that's in the top five in basketball? Now, in baseball, I mean, you got Barry Bonds, but Barry won seven MVPs. And look, I don't know.
I didn't see the list.

So without me saying it, I'm saying Stewie should be number one.

Right.

Three most outstanding players.

No, four most outstanding players.

Three college players of the year.

Four national championships.

She should be number one.

Now, you can put whoever else you want after that.

So if you want Cheryl Miller, you want Candace Parker, you want Ma Moore, you want DT, I ain't got no problem with that. So if you want Cheryl Miller, you want Candace Parker,

you want Ma Moore, you want DT,

I ain't got no problem with that.

Hey, if you want to throw, I don't know if y'all remember Cheryl Swoops when she was at Texas Tech.

She won the national championship, dropped 48 in the championship

game, and they beat Ohio State

by Katie Smith. I remember that game.

She was sensational.

But,

like I said, without seeing the list, I'm thinking, Ocho, like, you know, Candice, Maya Moore, DT, Stewie, Shamika's Holeclaw. I don't know.
I'm trying to think who else could possibly be in there. Cooper.
Cynthia Cooper. because think she was on one of those national championship teams.
Okay, Brianna was number one. Candace Park was number two.
Diana Taurasi was number three. Maya Moore was number four.
Sharon Miller was number five. Oh, Joe, without even knowing it, did I not give you the names? Yeah.
I didn't see. I'm just basically, I'm old enough to remember them all, Ocho.
I'm old enough to remember them all. So I saw Cheryl Miller play.
I saw her win back-to-back national championships, and then I saw them lose to an undefeated Texas team. They beat the latest team, La Tech.
Kim Mulkey was on those teams. Breonna Stewart, that's a no-brainer.
Breonna Stewart is a no-brainer. It's like Kareem.
If you're talking about the greatest college basketball player for me, it's Kareem. Kareem, he lost two games.
Three most outstanding players, three national championships because championships because remember Ocho, the freshmen couldn't play back then, but Kareem's freshman team beat the varsity team that had just won the national championship championship, yeah so the UCLA team that won the national championship team Kareem's freshman team beat them in a game so for basketball, it's a no-brainer. It's Kareem.

Now we can go wherever you want to go

after that. You want to go Jerry Lucas.
You want to go

Oscar Robinson. You want to go Christian

Laettner. You want to go Ralph Sampson.

Ralph Sampson was the three-time player of the year.

Didn't win a national championship. He only got to the

final four. So whoever

you want to put after Kareem,

I mean, I probably ain't going to even fight you.

But Kareem going to be number one. Just like Breonna Stewart should be number one.
Yeah. I mean, what you call them? UConn took all the spots.
They got three of the five spots. They got Stewart.
They got DT. They got Miles Moore.
So, yeah, I can see that Candace Parker two time national champion

she's player of the year

most outstanding player

I ain't got no problem with the list

I ain't got no problem with the list

I don't Ocho

hey J213

Ocho do you believe Michael Jackson

would be more or less famous if he was

performing during the normalization of

social media

I don't know what he'd be

I just know I've never seen anybody that

Thank you. would be more or less famous if he was performing during the normalization of social media.
Look,

I don't know what he'd be. I just know I've never seen anybody that

enlisted the response.

Look, when people start having

concerts and people pass

out before he performs,

that's what I'm going to say. They're bigger

than Michael. Nobody

is bigger than

Mike.

You're never going to see that again. It's not even close.
Not even close. Like I said, like I said, I'm old enough to remember when he came out with Off The Wall and I think, what, 78? And then, you know, when he came out with Thriller, it was game over.
But what happened to Mike is what, Ocho, he couldn't get over the fact he kept trying to replicate Thriller. And he didn't realize Thriller was Haley's comic.
And he couldn't. He just, I mean, he had albums doing 10 million.
I mean, think about it. Bad was a damn good album.
Off the Wall was a great album. I think, what was the Remember the Time album was on? What was the name of that album? Invincible? Was it Invincible? But anyway, he I mean, yeah.
And I remember we had a conversation. I said, Cat Williams was my thriller.
I'm not going to drive myself crazy trying to go trying to try to try to replicate and do it again.

you're not going to do it.

And we've had great interviews before.

We've had great interviews after.

And I know a lot of people don't like the guest selection,

but hey, I believe in being diverse.

I'm not going to try to hide, you know,

hey, I like Amber.

I love, oh man, young hey, I believe in being diverse. I'm not going to try to hide, you know, hey, I like Amber.
I love, oh man, me and young Miami playing that game. We had a great time.
Dangerous, dangerous. That was the name of it.
Yes, dangerous. Okay.
Unbelievable. Unbelievable album.
But he didn't like, you know, 10 million. Do you know an artist would give their left arm, right arm or leg to sell 10 million copies of an album? Listen, and we ain't talk about no streams.
We talk about hard people going in the store and purchasing. They used to go to the store and get the actual hard copy of the album or the CD

or the cassette.

That's different.

That's different.

Not in those streams where you can

manipulate everything and get more

man please.

Not comparable.

No. Danny Littlejohn said

Unc and Ocho, who's better Shaq or

Dwight in Orlando?

Unc, that's a question for you. Ooh, that's close.
Both went to one finals. Both got swept.
I think I might have to go with Dwight three time defensive player of the year

and I don't think

Dwight had

a comparable player to Penny

see what I'm saying Ocho?

if you look at it

but Shaq

you gotta realize Shaq didn't stay that long

Shaq was only there 92, 93, 94, 95

he was only there four years

Let's go. If you look at it, but Shaq, you got to realize Shaq didn't stay that long.
Shaq was only there. Shaq was there 92, 93, 94, 95.
He was only there four years. People don't realize that.
People look at Shaq, Shaq stayed up. No, Shaq was there four years, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96.
He was with the, he was with the, with the. Lake show.
Yes. He got, we got, he went to the lake and was a free agent.
Hmm. Breaking news.
Steph Curry just went to the locker room grabbing his tailbone after a hard fall. He's out the rest of the game.
You remember, was that a couple of years ago he had that bruised tailbone injury that caused him to miss some games. I think he missed

a couple of weeks.

You know, they scared

they ain't got no overall

cushion.

John Arena,

what's up, Ogunocho? I listen to y'all

every morning at work. Y'all dropping wisdom

and knowledge. I try to apply it to my life.
Thank you. Thank you for listening.
Thank you for your support. Salute.
Mike Brown saw old clips of Prime looking like Mr. Clean.
Now he got good hair line. He's up for the plug.
A lot of us brothers need help. Again, Steph Curry just went to the locker room

after having a tough spill.

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